Women flashing truckers: does this actually ever happen?
Michael Heinz
I was driving to work this morning when I noticed that some humorist had
written "Be a flirt, lift your skirt" in the dirt on the back of the
tractor-trailer in front of me.
This reminded me of some stories my father (who had been a truck driver
till he passed away) had related to me of women exposing themselves to
truckers as they drove past.
This has always struck me as a classic urban legend - the sort of thing
that might have actually happened once or twice, but with the stories
spreading far faster and further than any actual occurances. Then it
struck me that I could ask on AFU. (It also occurred to me that I might
have to change my name after asking, but I guess I'll have to take the
risk....)
So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going to
regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as a
truck driver?
Mike "Keep both hands on the wheel" Heinz
Lon Stowell
> So,
>
> I was driving to work this morning when I noticed that some humorist had
> written "Be a flirt, lift your skirt" in the dirt on the back of the
> tractor-trailer in front of me.
>
> This reminded me of some stories my father (who had been a truck driver
> till he passed away) had related to me of women exposing themselves to
> truckers as they drove past.
I dunno about truckers, but yeah, it appears that at least a few
bored young women have been known to flash passing male motorists,
as it has happened to me on multiple occasions, where "multiple"
could reasonably be defined as roughly the total number I could
count to in base 10 in any state of clothedness. The locale was
along I-70 and I-80, where frankly not much else to do crossing
the flat parts of USofA, and the frequency wasn't that much given
the number of years I spent crossing that same flatness again and
again and again and again [feel free to stop me anytime] in various
vehicles not of the trucking variety. Have heard reasonably
trustworthy claims that young lasses have also been known to display
to passing jets on US 50, 95 and 93 across Nevada.
Michael Heinz
Michael Heinz <hei...@comcast.net> wrote:
> So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going to
> regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as a
> truck driver?
>
> Mike "Keep both hands on the wheel" Heinz
I just received a couple of Lexis/Nexis reports on this subject; I
assume some reader of this group passed them on to me.
Whoever it was - thanks!
Mike "No one ever flashes me in the machine room" Heinz
Alice Faber
Michael Heinz <hei...@comcast.net> wrote:
You have been visited by the Lexis-Nexis elf.
Alice "welcome to afu" Faber
--
"Even rain as hard as a cow pissing on a flat rock beats ice when
you're driving." -- Life 101, as taught by TM Oliver
Lars Eighner
<heinz3-3B9B25....@news.comcast.giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented Michael Heinz
broadcast on alt.folklore.urban:
> So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going to
> regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as a
> truck driver?
This must actually happen a lot because I have read about it in the
Penthouse letters column.
--
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No one would shell out two bucks for a piece of ice cream called a
"pigeon bar." --Chris Clarke
notnow
3B9B25.160...@news.comcast.giganews.com:
> So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going to
> regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as a
> truck driver?
>
> Mike "Keep both hands on the wheel" Heinz
I do not know about daily, but I know it does happen. My wife, in her
eailer years, and her cousins have admitted to doing it on a regular basis.
Mike Beede
> I dunno about truckers, but yeah, it appears that at least a few
> bored young women have been known to flash passing male motorists,
> as it has happened to me on multiple occasions, where "multiple"
> could reasonably be defined as roughly the total number I could
> count to in base 10 in any state of clothedness.
Even a pretty young kid can count to a thousand in base 10 with or
without clothes. You must've been going past a steady stream of
skirt-flippin' babes. Some guys have all the luck.
Mike
Robert Alston
news:slrnbekfge...@pearl.io.com:
> In our last episode,
> <heinz3-3B9B25....@news.comcast.giganews.com>,
> the lovely and talented Michael Heinz
> broadcast on alt.folklore.urban:
>
>> So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going
>> to regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as
>> a truck driver?
>
> This must actually happen a lot because I have read about it in the
> Penthouse letters column.
>
I've read about them there also... And I have even thought of writing one
for them. Mine tho would be true.
Robert "Amazing how helpful truckers are about places to stop when you have
a naked girl riding with you in an MG Midget with the top down" Alston
D.F. Manno
Robert Alston <romi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've read about them there also... And I have even thought of writing one
> for them. Mine tho would be true.
>
> Robert "Amazing how helpful truckers are about places to stop when you have
> a naked girl riding with you in an MG Midget with the top down" Alston
Apropos of nothing much, the title song of Jackson Browne's current CD
"The Naked Ride Home" refers to a somewhat similar incident:
> Just take off your clothes and I'll drive you home I said
> Knowing she never could pass on a dare
> And knowing it sounded more desperate than reckless or bold
> I just put it out there cold, too far gone to care
>
> My eyes on the road, she slid herself down in the seat
> And a vision of paradise swung into view
> Across those five lanes not one driver glanced over to see
> The beauty known only to me, and a big rig or two....
--
D.F. "install flash plug-in here" Manno
kay w
MichaelH:
>> So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going
>> to regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as
>> a truck driver?
Lars:
> This must actually happen a lot because I have read about it in the
> Penthouse letters column.
A male friend was driving our van, I was the front seat passenger. We were
passing a 18-wheeler on their left. On the far side of the truck cab was a
young woman who tried her best to flash us.
Her timing wasn't good; just as she leaned over the driver to flash us out his
window and yanked up her shirt, the traffic flow changed, he had to slam on his
brakes and she disappeared into the floorboards. Hard.
I know that's not exactly what you asked for, but it's the closest I've got.
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- Groucho Marx
Address munged. AOL isn't necessarily comatose.
Christopher Tumber
>So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going to
>regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as a
>truck driver?
I don't think women flashing, in general, as as uncommon as you might
think - Ever been to any stadium with a Jumbotron?
FWIW - During canoe trips in the Boy Scouts it was pretty common for
women on power boats, sail boats, yachts, &etc to flash us
(particularly in Georgian Bay for anyone who's interested)
Chris...
- Must've been the uniforms...
Rick Tyler
(Christopher Tumber) wrote:
>FWIW - During canoe trips in the Boy Scouts it was pretty common for
>women on power boats, sail boats, yachts, &etc to flash us
>(particularly in Georgian Bay for anyone who's interested)
>
I was definitely either in the wrong troop or the wrong decade.
- RIck "*sigh*" Tyler
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depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian
Fred Simons
"Michael Heinz" <hei...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:heinz3-3B9B25....@news.comcast.giganews.com...
"Something in between" most likely. My younger brother is a trucker, and he
says that it does happen, not all that often. Some may be inadvertent -
short skirt, no undies, don't realize that you're not all that hidden when
somebody is able to look -down- into the car from up above, or maybe not all
that inadvertent, who knows?
Infrequent enough that it's worth mentioning when it does happen, but it
does happen.
Fred Simons
Lon Stowell
> Michael Heinz wrote:
>
>
>>So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going to
>>regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as a
>>truck driver?
>
>
> I don't think women flashing, in general, as as uncommon as you might
> think - Ever been to any stadium with a Jumbotron?
Or the notorious Disneyland "Flash Mountain".
Michael Heinz
Rick Tyler <rht...@attbi.com> wrote:
> I was definitely either in the wrong troop or the wrong decade.
>
You and me both.
Crashj
<>
> till he passed away) had related to me of women exposing themselves to
> truckers as they drove past.
<>
<>
Crashj 'not personally of course' Johnson
Brian
>A male friend was driving our van, I was the front seat passenger. We were
>passing a 18-wheeler on their left. On the far side of the truck cab was a
>young woman who tried her best to flash us.
>Her timing wasn't good; just as she leaned over the driver to flash us out his
>window and yanked up her shirt, the traffic flow changed, he had to slam on his
>brakes and she disappeared into the floorboards. Hard.
>
>I know that's not exactly what you asked for, but it's the closest I've got.
Which would have been a better outcome than this.
http://www.sunspot.net/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-sex-crash,0,2298802.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
Man Sentenced for Crash While Having Sex
By Associated Press
June 17, 2003, 5:55 PM EDT
MONMOUTH, Ill. -- A man has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for a
crash that killed his girlfriend while they were having sex behind the
wheel.
Sonny Morris El, 32, was convicted last month of aggravated driving
under the influence of drugs but acquitted of reckless homicide in the
January 2002 crash that killed Kristina Valerio, 25, who was on Morris
El's lap as he drove.
Tests showed that Morris El had marijuana in his system when his car
crossed the center line of U.S. 34 near Monmouth while the couple had
sex. The vehicle collided with a tractor trailer.
The crash left Sonny Morris El, 32, with the mental capacity of an
11-year-old, according to his attorney. Before his sentencing Monday,
Morris El called his actions "foolish" and said the accident "opened
my eyes not to take life for granted."
State's Attorney Chip Algren asked for the maximum 12-year prison
term, arguing that Morris El lived a life of "total irresponsibility"
before the collision.
Public Defender Scott Shipplett sought probation, saying that Morris
El did not intend to harm Valerio.
Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press
Binyamin Dissen
[ sniped ]
:>Sonny Morris El, 32, was convicted last month of aggravated driving
:>under the influence of drugs
[ snipped ]
:>The crash left Sonny Morris El, 32, with the mental capacity of an
:>11-year-old, according to his attorney.
Can someone who has received enough brain damage to be left with only the
"mental capacity of an 11-year-old" be convicted of anything?
Can such a person truly receive a fair trial?
[ snipped ]
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdi...@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
Harold Buck
Binyamin Dissen <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:58:07 -0400 Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> [ sniped ]
>
> :>Sonny Morris El, 32, was convicted last month of aggravated driving
> :>under the influence of drugs
>
> [ snipped ]
>
> :>The crash left Sonny Morris El, 32, with the mental capacity of an
> :>11-year-old, according to his attorney.
>
> Can someone who has received enough brain damage to be left with only the
> "mental capacity of an 11-year-old" be convicted of anything?
>
> Can such a person truly receive a fair trial?
>
> [ snipped ]
Depends on which 11-year-old kid he has the mind of.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
Dan Fingerman
<news:3slvev8dkmi4u8sed...@4ax.com>:
> Can someone who has received enough brain damage to be left with
> only the "mental capacity of an 11-year-old" be convicted of
> anything?
During trial, the court will ask only whether he could form the
requisite degree of intent at the time of the crime. Since he was
injured during the alleged crime, the answer was yes. His present
condition may be a factor in sentencing, but not in liability.
> Can such a person truly receive a fair trial?
BOP.
Dan "nothing personal, just BOP" Fingerman
--
DTM :<|
Thomas Prufer
wrote:
>During trial, the court will ask only whether he could form the
>requisite degree of intent at the time of the crime. Since he was
>injured during the alleged crime, the answer was yes. His present
>condition may be a factor in sentencing, but not in liability.
Does this mean that intoxication would be taken into account when
considering the degree of intent, under USAan law?
(It is under German law: if you do something when you are very drunk,
it limits intent. There's codified legal provisions covering sober
intent, then getting drunk before a crime to escape the consequences.)
Thomas "IANAL" Prufer
Songbyrd11
>> I don't think women flashing, in general, as as uncommon as you might
>> think - Ever been to any stadium with a Jumbotron?
>
> Or the notorious Disneyland "Flash Mountain".
Or the US Open last weekend. As to flashing truckdrivers, our office
prosecuted to old gay men (60 plus) for flashing a trucker. The jury
convicted them.
Song--oh well.
TMOliver
Back in the halcyon days of my youth (1962/63), US Navy vessels
which came to anchor off the communities of Cannes or Nice could
on warm summer days expect visits from rental paddle boats
operated by young women anxious to charm the sailors.
In those long ago days, even a topless flash was a sight to
behold for most young 'Merkins, while moons seemed unfamilar to
Uropeens. There was, however, the occasional young lady of
breeding who would flash her pudenda, aristocrats among them
displaying trimmed or shaven mounds.
There was always a line at the signal division's big bracket
mounted binoculars on the bridge wings, while the Fire Control
Technicians manning the MK37 directors smiled a bit when they
claimed that with the rangefinders it was possible to determine
labial configuration.
TM "OOD carrying long glass on quarterdeck" Oliver
Binyamin Dissen
:>Binyamin Dissen wrote at Tue 17 Jun 2003 20:10:25, in
:><news:3slvev8dkmi4u8sed...@4ax.com>:
:>> Can someone who has received enough brain damage to be left with
:>> only the "mental capacity of an 11-year-old" be convicted of
:>> anything?
:>During trial, the court will ask only whether he could form the
:>requisite degree of intent at the time of the crime. Since he was
:>injured during the alleged crime, the answer was yes. His present
:>condition may be a factor in sentencing, but not in liability.
But can an eleven year old properly form a defense? Would he understand the
concept of mitigating circumstances?
Would it be proper to have a trial of an unconscious person, for example, even
if represented by council.
Or for someone who does not speak English without an interpreter?
:>> Can such a person truly receive a fair trial?
:>BOP.
My issue was the above.
R H Draney
says...
>
>>Lon Stowell added:
>
>>> I don't think women flashing, in general, as as uncommon as you might
>>> think - Ever been to any stadium with a Jumbotron?
>>
>> Or the notorious Disneyland "Flash Mountain".
>
>Or the US Open last weekend.
None of these...but I've been to Lake Havasu City during what just happened to
be spring break...the "Girls Gone Wild" videos are not staged at all....
R H "didn't even make it out to Needles" Draney
Joe Boswell
<post...@dissensoftware.com> writes
>Would it be proper to have a trial of an unconscious person, for
>example, even if represented by council.
It is unusual, but it happens, that someone can be tried "in absentia".
--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap
TMOliver
I believe that most US states have statutes or case law for
intentional crimes which suggests a sort of double edged
standard, one, that the alleged perpetrator was capable of
forming and understanding intent at the time the alleged
offense occurred, and, two, that he or she be competent enough
at time of trial to assist in the defense.
Those standards raise a number of issues...
Can a truly "drug-crazed" individual form and possess valid
intent? Often, in many if not most states, that capacity is
"verified" by the commission of another almost simultaneous
offense, kidnapping, armed robbery, etc., although how a second
crime implies any greater level of competence than one remains
subject to debate.
The Supremes have just finished dealing with another "restore to
competence by drugs" case without totallly clarfiying the issue.
Apparently, trial in absentia, legal in a few venues, is
restricted to cases where a defendent has removed himself from
jurisdiction after indictment and arraignment.
TM "Fleeing the scene" Oliver
Crashj
Doesn't seem right.
Young women does it, its hot.
Old queers do it, its jail time.
Crashj 'is neither' Johnson
Jon and Mary Miller
>On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:58:07 -0400 Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> [ sniped ]
>
>:>Sonny Morris El, 32, was convicted last month of aggravated driving
>:>under the influence of drugs
>
> [ snipped ]
>
>:>The crash left Sonny Morris El, 32, with the mental capacity of an
>:>11-year-old, according to his attorney.
>
>Can someone who has received enough brain damage to be left with only the
>"mental capacity of an 11-year-old" be convicted of anything?
>
It's really a meaningless phrase. That's why it's used so much -- it
generates such sympathy, as we feel for the individual reduced to
childhood. But what, exactly, is the mental capacity of an 11-year-old?
>Can such a person truly receive a fair trial?
>
The first requisite for a trial is that the accused be able to
understand the charges against them, and be able to assist counsel in
their own defense. Note that this is the case also in Spain, and
therefore Salvador Allende was allowed to return to Chile and not forced
to undergo trial for "crimes against humanity".
If the accused is unable to understand the charges against them, and is
also apparently a danger to themselves or the community, they will be
incar^H^H^H^H^Hheld in a mental hospital, and only released when the
attending psychiatrists judge them to be no longer a danger to
themselves or the community.
Jon Miller
Jon and Mary Miller
>On 18 Jun 2003 05:05:08 GMT, Dan Fingerman <danSS...@yale2000.org>
>wrote:
>
>>During trial, the court will ask only whether he could form the
>>requisite degree of intent at the time of the crime. Since he was
>>injured during the alleged crime, the answer was yes. His present
>>condition may be a factor in sentencing, but not in liability.
>>
>
>Does this mean that intoxication would be taken into account when
>considering the degree of intent, under USAan law?
>
In USAn law, there is a push in the direction of "unable to form intent"
and therefore mitigate the seriousness of the action, and a contrary
push to punish because there are foreseeable potential consequences to
getting drunk.
The "unable to form intent" argument doesn't apply to illegal drug
activity, but has been used for prescription drugs with varying degrees
of success.
Jon Miller
John Francis
In that case you should know better - you've been here
long enough to know what topics are covered by the BOP.
--
As evil plans go, it doesn't suck -- Wesley offers a critique on "Angel"
Andy Walton
<cra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
That is true of oh, so many things.
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-- Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Mary Shafer
wrote:
> MONMOUTH, Ill. -- A man has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for a
> crash that killed his girlfriend while they were having sex behind the
> wheel.
Back in the dim recesses of time, there was a GA accident for which
the investigators determined, from "the nature of the pilot's
injuries", that an inebriated pilot was the object of fellatio at the
time of impact.
As you can imagine, the NTSB or FAA was very circumspect about this
one but it was quite obvious what had been going on. It was a local
flight out of Las Vegas to look at the pretty lights or Hoover Dam or
something and the passenger was a woman the pilot had met in the third
or fourth bar he'd visited that evening.
Mary "not exactly the Mile High Club"
Thomas Prufer
<jon.and.m...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In USAn law, there is a push in the direction of "unable to form intent"
>and therefore mitigate the seriousness of the action, and a contrary
>push to punish because there are foreseeable potential consequences to
>getting drunk.
What they've done here is mitigate due to "unable to form intent", and
then introduce "getting too drunk" as punishable.
Thomas Prufer
TMOliver
>
> Mary "not exactly the Mile High Club"
>
>
I always though that was the reason it was the "Mile High Club",
to provide some time margin for recovery from uncontrolled post-
orgasmic descent into terrain. Casualties would have been
higher had it been the Quarter Mile High Club or the Low
Altitude Airborne Fornicators Association ("A LAAFA minute is
actually less than 10 seconds between coming and going.")
Of couse, at Angels 35 in the back rows of a near empty Stretch
8 with somebody else driving, joining the MHC's not risky, only
frisky.
TM "That's not turbulence, but the couple in Row 27 at it
again." Oliver
James Linn
"R H Draney" <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:bcq0p...@drn.newsguy.com...
Watched an interesting Dr. Phil about Girls Gone Wild. It would depend on
your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
muddle their thinking. While this doesn't mean they have no responsibility,
the organizers definitely shape the behavior for maximum titillation. Just
about every woman interviewed said they would never consent if they had been
sober.
James " just like saying titillation" Linn
Charles A Lieberman
"James Linn" <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
> It would depend on
> your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
> plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
> muddle their thinking.
Knowing the videos only by reputation, I imagine in many cases most if
not all of the plying is done either by the subjects themselves or by
people whose interests are othr than commercial. I realize that's what
the producers want me to think, but I see no objective reason aside from
kneee-jerk skepticism to think otherwise. It's not like it doesn't
happen.
--
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New York, NY, USA | limbs need a lot of assistance to breed, but so
cali...@bigfoot.com | what?" Nathan Tenny teaches AFU animal husbandry
Larry M Headlund
>happened to
>> be spring break...the "Girls Gone Wild" videos are not staged at all....
>
>Watched an interesting Dr. Phil about Girls Gone Wild. It would depend on
>your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
>plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
>muddle their thinking. While this doesn't mean they have no responsibility,
>the organizers definitely shape the behavior for maximum titillation. Just
>about every woman interviewed said they would never consent if they had been
>sober.
We could now do an elegant tie in with the fraternal thread about diminished
capacity defences, intoxicated driving, etc. This could be the first
paragraph where "elegant" and "Girls Gone Wild" both appeared.
--
--
Larry Headlund l...@world.std.com Mathematical Engineering, Inc.
(617) 242 7741
Unix, X and Motif Consulting Speaking for myself at most.
John Francis
>your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
>plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
>muddle their thinking. While this doesn't mean they have no responsibility,
>the organizers definitely shape the behavior for maximum titillation. Just
>about every woman interviewed said they would never consent if they had been
>sober.
Short summary: Well, duh!
Slightly longer: This is an example (well, two examples) of social pressure.
When the girls are in the company of a group of friends, all having a good
time, there's more than a little "I will if you will" encouragement. Much
the same thing happens in New Orleans, and not only during Mardi Gras: when
we were there for a conference I saw several examples of breast-flashing;
sometimes in exchange for a string of (extremely cheap) beads, and sometimes
just for the fun of it. The presence of cameras is not a deterrent.
Now put those same girls on an environment where there's a suggestion that
there's something morally reprehensible about baring your bosom in public,
and yet there is graphic evidence of them doing just that. Naturally enough
many will now claim that this isn't something they would normally do - there
must have been some other reason (such as the demon drink) that made them
do it.
Plus, of course, we don't know how many women who were interviewed didn't
get on television because "Sure. It was fun. You gotta problem with that?"
doesn't give Dr. Phil much of a chance to pontificate.
Dan Fingerman
<news:akk2fv068dpse6sgu...@4ax.com>:
Criminal law is not really my field, and I probably should have
prefaced my original comment with that.
In my rather superficial understanding, voluntary intoxication is
generally not a defense to liability for a crime, except for a few
crimes that require "specific intent," a much higher standard than
"general intent." The difference is that a few crimes require the
defendant to intend the consequences of his actions or to have intent
as to particular elements of the crime -- rather than a simpler, more
general intent to do SOMETHING, but not necessarily the particular
thing he did. This does not mean that a drunk can simply walk away
from a crime, however; it operates to mitigate the offense -- e.g.,
from murder to manslaughter. Involuntary intoxication, on the other
hand, is a valid defense to much more.
Dan "not yet a lawyer -- bar exam in 39 days, 22 hours" Fingerman
--
DTM :<|
Lee Ayrton
> Watched an interesting Dr. Phil about Girls Gone Wild. It would depend on
> your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
> plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
> muddle their thinking. While this doesn't mean they have no responsibility,
> the organizers definitely shape the behavior for maximum titillation. Just
> about every woman interviewed said they would never consent if they had been
> sober.
And producer is in legal trouble:
2. AP Wire | 04/25/2003 | 'Girls Gone Wild' producer now faces 22
charges
<http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/breaking_news/5717035.htm>
Summary: The producer has been brought up on an assortment of charges,
mostly in the employing a minor in an obscene performance realm.
Google News hits shows that the list is now over 100 charges.
Lee Ayrton
> Back in the dim recesses of time, there was a GA accident for which
> the investigators determined, from "the nature of the pilot's
> injuries", that an inebriated pilot was the object of fellatio at the
> time of impact.
You might have been sold a pig in a poke there, Mary. Consider these two:
3. alt.folklore.urban Frequently Asked Questions [Part 4 of 5]
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/folklore-faq/part4/
F. Man crashes into toll booth while receiving fellatio from girlfriend.
6. Urban Legends Reference Pages: Risqui Business (Once Bitten, Twice
Shy)
http://www.snopes.com/risque/penile/bitten.htm
(Go down to around page 6)
Snopes mentions "Garp" as a vector.
It doesn't mean that your source was willfully telling a big fat one, but
it certainly seems suspect. On the other hand, the airplane setting for
the story constitutes a cool new detail.
Nathan Tenny
In article <vf3kj12...@corp.supernews.com>,
James Linn <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>"R H Draney" <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:bcq0p...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> [...] but I've been to Lake Havasu City during what just happened to
>> be spring break...the "Girls Gone Wild" videos are not staged at all....
>
>Watched an interesting Dr. Phil about Girls Gone Wild. It would depend on
>your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
>plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
>muddle their thinking.
Yeah, but that's pretty much the definition of "spring break in [major
party site]" anyway. Whaddya think happened---the video producers showed
up in Lake Havasu City, found a bunch of sober, inhibited, clear-thinking
college kids discussing Sartre, and had to start from scratch to corrupt
them?
NT
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Harold Buck
Charles A Lieberman <cali...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> In article <vf3kj12...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "James Linn" <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> > It would depend on
> > your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
> > plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
> > muddle their thinking.
>
> Knowing the videos only by reputation,
Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more!
>I imagine in many cases most if
> not all of the plying is done either by the subjects themselves or by
> people whose interests are othr than commercial. I realize that's what
> the producers want me to think, but I see no objective reason aside from
> kneee-jerk skepticism to think otherwise. It's not like it doesn't
> happen.
Mary Shafer
wrote:
> On or about Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Mary Shafer of mil...@qnet.nospam.com wrote:
>
> > Back in the dim recesses of time, there was a GA accident for which
> > the investigators determined, from "the nature of the pilot's
> > injuries", that an inebriated pilot was the object of fellatio at the
> > time of impact.
>
> You might have been sold a pig in a poke there, Mary. Consider these two:
Nope. I saw the accident report itself. (The Research Library had a
standing subscription.) Tail number, pilot hours, tox panel results,
witness statements, etc.
> It doesn't mean that your source was willfully telling a big fat one, but
> it certainly seems suspect. On the other hand, the airplane setting for
> the story constitutes a cool new detail.
Mine's the original, documented by the US Gov't. They don't tell big
fat ones like this, although I'll bet the investigators had a good
time writing the report.
I hadn't just fallen off the turnip truck, you know. I checked the
accident report rather than taking Flying magazine's word for it.
Unfortunately, this was probably in about 1978, long before the
database was computerized.
Mary "Suspicious? Who's suspicious?"
--
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mil...@qnet.com
"Turn to kill, not to engage." LCDR Willie Driscoll, USN
R H Draney
says...
>
>In article <calieber-BEB552...@news.fu-berlin.de>,
> Charles A Lieberman <cali...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>> Knowing the videos only by reputation,
>
>Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more!
Well, I'll admit I have one...having been *in* Lake Havasu City during spring
break and then hearing the stories about the students suing the producers for
releasing them, I was curious to find out if anything I had actually seen there
had made it onto the DVD....
My DVD player gladly displayed the contents of the disc to anyone who happened
to be walking through the living room...but a few weeks later, I rented "Dude,
Where's My Car?" and was forced to Google for hacking sites to find out the
default "parental lock key" for my player (I *knew* I had never set such a key,
and the factory default is apparently not published in the owner's manual)
before I could see the movie....
From this experience, I learned two things:
(1) hackers write better documentation than the people who are supposed to be
doing it, and
(2) two slackers winning a year's supply of pudding at miniature golf is somehow
more offensive than a 19-year-old coed rubbing her privates with suntan lotion
....r
Drew Lawson
>> it certainly seems suspect. On the other hand, the airplane setting for
>> the story constitutes a cool new detail.
>
>Mine's the original, documented by the US Gov't. They don't tell big
>fat ones like this, although I'll bet the investigators had a good
>time writing the report.
I'm afraid the motto contest has been closed for several years now.
But if not, that one would have a good chance of winning.
Drew "This is my US Gov't report we're talking about here" Lawson
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Drew Lawson
nten...@qualcomm.com writes:
>Yeah, but that's pretty much the definition of "spring break in [major
>party site]" anyway. Whaddya think happened---the video producers showed
>up in Lake Havasu City, found a bunch of sober, inhibited, clear-thinking
>college kids discussing Sartre, and had to start from scratch to corrupt
>them?
No. But I'd certainly pay more than $9.95 for *that* tape.
Drew "resisting 'philosophers song' quotes" Lawson
Dan Fingerman
<news:4rf2fv4r7nmmb0rq9...@4ax.com>:
> Back in the dim recesses of time, there was a GA accident for which
> the investigators determined, from "the nature of the pilot's
> injuries", that an inebriated pilot was the object of fellatio at the
> time of impact.
I suppose they determined that from the scalding where he spilled his
coffee?
--
DTM :<|
Thomas Prufer
wrote:
>In my rather superficial understanding,
My understanding of German law is also superficial...
As I see it, German and American law are similar with respect to
intoxication and culpability. Not always the case, some things differ
greatly.
Thomas Prufer
TMOliver
> In article <h0g4fvck8vp52gpms...@4ax.com>
> mil...@qnet.com writes:
>>
>>Mine's the original, documented by the US Gov't. They don't
>>tell big fat ones like this, although I'll bet the
>>investigators had a good time writing the report.
>
> I'm afraid the motto contest has been closed for several
> years now. But if not, that one would have a good chance of
> winning.
>
I'll go with Mary and Mary's part of the gubmint here. The
official accident investigation report made the rounds of nearly
every DoD aviation related facility (as it would have) and was
famoso (and that was back during the days that my reserve billet
gave me plenty of time to read them).
Almost as good (if not as fellatious) are a long running series
of Naval Aviation Safety magazines and their stories on
accidents involving amazing misadventures.
TM "Plane in the water!" Oliver
Jon and Mary Miller
>[piggybacked]
>
>In article <vf3kj12...@corp.supernews.com>,
>James Linn <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>>"R H Draney" <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:bcq0p...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>>[...] but I've been to Lake Havasu City during what just happened to
>>>be spring break...the "Girls Gone Wild" videos are not staged at all....
>>>
>>Watched an interesting Dr. Phil about Girls Gone Wild. It would depend on
>>your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
>>plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
>>muddle their thinking.
>>
>
>Yeah, but that's pretty much the definition of "spring break in [major
>party site]" anyway. Whaddya think happened---the video producers showed
>up in Lake Havasu City, found a bunch of sober, inhibited, clear-thinking
>college kids discussing Sartre, and had to start from scratch to corrupt
>them?
>
Have things changed that much? When I was an undergrad, it was
Schopenhauer. Sartre's boring.
Could be Nietzsche now. He's been (somewhat at least) rehabilitated.
I do understand that Marx is strengverboten.
Jon Miller
Mary Shafer
wrote:
> Almost as good (if not as fellatious) are a long running series
> of Naval Aviation Safety magazines and their stories on
> accidents involving amazing misadventures.
I subscribe to Approach. It's full of people telling the stories of
their stupidity firsthand. Funny cartoons, too.
Somewhere I've got a copy of a report on an F-4 making repeated
attempts to land, damaging the aircraft more on every attempt. If I
can find it, I'll post it.
Mary "then there's the time I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire"
Xyzzy
> In article <aa83a82f.03061...@posting.google.com>, Crashj
> <cra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > songb...@aol.com (Songbyrd11) wrote in message
> > news:<20030618032758...@mb-m19.aol.com>...
> > > >Lon Stowell added:
> > > >> I don't think women flashing, in general, as as uncommon as you might
> > > >> think - Ever been to any stadium with a Jumbotron?
> > > >
> > > > Or the notorious Disneyland "Flash Mountain".
> > >
> > > Or the US Open last weekend. As to flashing truckdrivers, our office
> > > prosecuted to old gay men (60 plus) for flashing a trucker. The jury
> > > convicted them.
> >
> > Doesn't seem right.
> >
> > Young women does it, its hot.
> > Old queers do it, its jail time.
>
> That is true of oh, so many things.
A pretty girl can do no wrong. --Ed Abbey
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Mary "then there's the time I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire"
My mother worked as a riveter for Singer Sewing Machine
Company. Shortly after she was promoted from riveter to
inspector she had the misfortune to completely overlook
an entire row of missing rivets on the wing of a Hellcat.
[Strictly speaking, Grumman was the manufacturer, by she
was paid by Singer.]
Charles Wm. "an entirely different generation" Dimmick
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
Andy Walton
<sim...@wctc.net> wrote:
> "Michael Heinz" <hei...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:heinz3-3B9B25....@news.comcast.giganews.com...
> > So,
> >
> > So, is this a UL, a daily occurance, something in between? Am I going to
> > regret not having followed my father into a fullfilling career as a
> > truck driver?
>
> "Something in between" most likely. My younger brother is a trucker, and he
> says that it does happen, not all that often.
A couple of observations:
1) Some young women are willing, even eager, to flash bead-throwers at
Mardi Gras, Girls Gone Wild camera crews, and fellow Spring Break
participants. A chemically-enhanced mental state makes this behavior
far more likely.
2) Bored kids in the back seat on family trips can often get truckers
to honk the big horn by vigorously raising their forearms perpendicular
to the ground and pulling down -- mimicing the motion of pulling down
on a cord above the driver's side window which (is? was?) the method of
blowing a tractor-trailer horn. It may date back to train whistles, for
all I know[1].
I don't know how universal this is, but it was widely enough known
among truckers that most blew the horn.
Combine the two, and you have flashing as a vanilla way to prove that
you're free of hang-ups, and if the trucker honks back, it's a small
measure of instant gratification that is emotionally linked to fond
memories of childhood vacations.
I suspect that the incidents are most common among passengers
travelling to, from, or between events at high school and college
spring break. Your brother's observations on the frequency of the
phenomenon might well be different if he routinely made runs between
Panama City and Daytona in March.
N O T E S
1. I believe (but have no direct knowledge) that tractor-trailer horns
are wind instruments driven by exhaust gases, and are therefore more
closely akin to train whistles than to the puny little "meep meep"
horns on passenger cars. It was certainly a novelty for suburban kids
who only rode on the Interstates on vacation.
--
"I'm about as tall as a shotgun and just as noisy."
-- Truman Capote
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Robert Alston
<snip of post>
>
> N O T E S
>
> 1. I believe (but have no direct knowledge) that tractor-trailer horns
> are wind instruments driven by exhaust gases, and are therefore more
> closely akin to train whistles than to the puny little "meep meep"
> horns on passenger cars. It was certainly a novelty for suburban kids
> who only rode on the Interstates on vacation.
>
Train horns and Tractor-trailer horns both work off the air compressor on
board. Well, for the pendents around, they actually work off bleed air from
the braking systems. In theory you could swap them out even. it is just
that when you hit the horn on your train horn equipped tractor you would
also activate the brakes and the tractor horn equipped train would neither
have the right tone nor be loud enough which would cause some problems.
Robert "Gave thought to putting an air horn on my cab when I drove a taxi"
Alston
TMOliver
> Mary Shafer wrote:
>
>> Mary "then there's the time I tried to set the F-16 cockpit
>> on fire"
>
> My mother worked as a riveter for Singer Sewing Machine
> Company. Shortly after she was promoted from riveter to
> inspector she had the misfortune to completely overlook
> an entire row of missing rivets on the wing of a Hellcat.
> [Strictly speaking, Grumman was the manufacturer, by she
> was paid by Singer.]
>
By Golly, I'm glad she didn't have the same oversight over my
Singer-built Model 1911A1 .45 acp semi-automatic pistola of
which Singer built a few, along with, if i'm 'membering rightly,
.30 US M1"carbines"
Singere's war time efforts sure kept a lot of treadle machines
still going. My grandmother treadled away until she got down in
her laigs, but Dad got the Singer man to bring her a new one.
In my memories of childhood, Singer occupied a well-carved niche
in the commercial pantheon, certainly comparable with Hoover's,
Sear's and the like, although not near so pervasive as later
became Xerox, which seemed to actually replace the use of
"copy".
TMO
Lee Ayrton
> Mary Shafer wrote:
>
> > Mary "then there's the time I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire"
>
> My mother worked as a riveter for Singer Sewing Machine Company. Shortly
> after she was promoted from riveter to inspector she had the misfortune
> to completely overlook an entire row of missing rivets on the wing of a
> Hellcat. [Strictly speaking, Grumman was the manufacturer, by she was
> paid by Singer.]
Underwood Typewriter in Hartford CT made, among other things, gun-director
computers for B-29s.
As Charles obviously knows but others ~might~ not, there was a massive
turn from civilian-goods production to wartime production in the USofA
during WWII, not only car makers cranking out tanks, trucks and medium
bombers but right down to the local machinist with a basement shop making
parts for the gummimint.
I recently learned that the Guide Lamp Division of General Motors, which
specialized in stamped steel "buckets" for automotive lighting devices,
cranked out the M3 light machine gun, a low-tech, mostly stamped-steel
device that resembled nothing so much as an automotive grease gun.
4. M3 '
http://www.angelfire.com/ar/classicfirearms/M3greasegun.html
> Charles Wm. "an entirely different generation" Dimmick
They were shorter then, ya know...
Lee
Dan Fingerman
<news:220620030137165799%att...@mindspring.com>:
> 2) Bored kids in the back seat on family trips can often get
> truckers to honk the big horn by vigorously raising their forearms
> perpendicular to the ground and pulling down -- mimicing the
> motion of pulling down on a cord above the driver's side window
> which (is? was?) the method of blowing a tractor-trailer horn. It
> may date back to train whistles, for all I know[1].
>
> I don't know how universal this is, but it was widely enough known
> among truckers that most blew the horn.
This was certainly well known where I grew up, circa mid- and late-
1980s. We did it more during school field trips and summer camp than
on family trips, however. In retrospect, a busful of 8-year-olds
pulling imaginary horns in unison must be a hilarious sight.
In college I had a conversation about this with a dozen or so friends
representing (I think) every time zone in North America, and they all
confirmed doing the same thing, around the same age.
--
DTM :<|
gezn2
"Dan Fingerman" <danSS...@yale2000.org> wrote in message
news:Xns93A27772DB289w...@130.133.1.4...
summer of 1972, the meme had been in circulation for a while before that at
least in rural Wisconsin because the neighbor kid who told me about it
thought I was an idiot for not knowing about it already...
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Mary Shafer
> I can testify that it was in circulation when I was six or so, that was the
> summer of 1972, the meme had been in circulation for a while before that at
> least in rural Wisconsin because the neighbor kid who told me about it
> thought I was an idiot for not knowing about it already...
Ditto the '50s in Central California.
TMOliver
>
> I recently learned that the Guide Lamp Division of General
> Motors, which specialized in stamped steel "buckets" for
> automotive lighting devices, cranked out the M3 light
> machine gun, a low-tech, mostly stamped-steel device that
> resembled nothing so much as an automotive grease gun.
>
> 4. M3 '
> http://www.angelfire.com/ar/classicfirearms/M3greasegun.
> html
>
The M3 was not a LMG, but a submachine gun, the developed
replacement for the "Thompson" or "Tommy Gun" in limited
use/issue (and such heinous substitutes as the Reising).
The US was commited to a gun in the same caliber as its service
pistol, .45acp, and the Grease Gun (for its looks) was a low
production cost - stamped steel instead of forging, all but the
barrel & bolt, IIRC - venture (comparable to the British "Sten"
and the German MP38/40, known popularly but not among Germans as
the Schmeisser).
Royal also made M1 carbines (as did Underwood). Typewriter
manufacturers, well experienced in "fine" metal work, fitting,
polishing, etc. and located in the NE US close to the
traditional arms manufacturers were ideal choices for wartime
gunmaking.
TM "Food Manufacturing Company Armored Vehicles" Oliver
TMOliver
> On 22 Jun 2003 21:48:15 -0500, "gezn2" <ge...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I can testify that it was in circulation when I was six or
>> so, that was the summer of 1972, the meme had been in
>> circulation for a while before that at least in rural
>> Wisconsin because the neighbor kid who told me about it
>> thought I was an idiot for not knowing about it already...
>
> Ditto the '50s in Central California.
>
....But did you pick up your feet when crossing viaducts and
overpasses?
TM "37 straight Chevvy pickups" Oliver
Lee Ayrton
> "Dan Fingerman" <danSS...@yale2000.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns93A27772DB289w...@130.133.1.4...
> > Andy Walton wrote at Sat 21 Jun 2003 22:37:16, in
> > <news:220620030137165799%att...@mindspring.com>:
> >
[Pavlov's kids train truckers to sound horn on command]
> > This was certainly well known where I grew up, circa mid- and late-
> > 1980s. We did it more during school field trips and summer camp than
[snip]
> > In college I had a conversation about this with a dozen or so friends
> > representing (I think) every time zone in North America, and they all
> > confirmed doing the same thing, around the same age.
> >
> I can testify that it was in circulation when I was six or so, that was the
> summer of 1972, the meme had been in circulation for a while before that at
> least in rural Wisconsin because the neighbor kid who told me about it
> thought I was an idiot for not knowing about it already...
Waterford, Connecticut, roughly 1965, taught to me by classmates.
I know that I've read mention of it as applied to steam train drivers in a
work of fiction, but I cannot recall what tome or when it was written.
Approximately:
[the boy] vigorously pumped his arm up and down at the passing
freight engine. In response the engineer unleashed an
impressive gob of tobacco spit in his direction, but it fell
short of the mark.
Lee "Is there a defrag utility for wetware memory?" Ayrton
Lee Ayrton
> Lee Ayrton <lay...@ntplx.net> iterated.....
[I called the Guide Lamp Division-produced M3 a "light machine gun"]
> The M3 was not a LMG, but a submachine gun, the developed
My error, thanks for catching it.
Lee "One of the many things I like about AFU" Ayrton
Bob Ward
wrote:
It was railroad tracks where I grew up.
TMOliver
Out here in the Middle, about the only things over which
viaducts duct vias and overpasses pass over are RR tracks. We
did it for grade crossings too, just after the bus driver
stopped and cranked open the door, the law at that time and
maybe still some places.
TM "A bit of grease on the tracks will cause train to stop at
faaaar end of station" Oliver
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:cqfefvkmc5k90t10o...@4ax.com:
Nope. We held our breath passing graveyards and counted the cars
in passing trains - even number before caboose was bad, odd was
good (I don't know why, or who put that in our {my little sister's
and my) heads.
We knew about the truck horn motion, but after an afternoon trapped
in a car with a mommy with a migraine, we ceased ever even thinking
of doing that again...
--
TeaLady (mari)
technomange
Around here it was holding your breath whist traversing the
Bankhead Tunnel.
technomange
TMOliver
>
> Nope. We held our breath passing graveyards and counted the
> cars in passing trains - even number before caboose was bad,
> odd was good (I don't know why, or who put that in our {my
> little sister's and my) heads.
>
Galveston's main cemetery (where are buried a goodly
number of my mother's kin, dating back to the Unfortunate Period
of Northern Agression during which Galveston was
captured by the Union and recaptured by the Confederacy
in a hand to hand struggle, stretches for several long blocks
along Broadway, the main road into the island city.
It was always a long deep drawn hold....
TM "Mom's wuz a 'belower' family, planting theirs below the
water table with heavy stuff on top." Oliver
Marc Reeve
Gate Bridge. Rather amusing to see an entire busload of kids on the way
to summer camp doing this.
Marc "a lot easier northbound than southbound" Reeve
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JoAnne Schmitz
>Watched an interesting Dr. Phil about Girls Gone Wild. It would depend on
>your definitions of staged. The girls involved certainly are coaxed cajoled,
>plied with enough alcohol to significantly lower their inhibitions and
>muddle their thinking. While this doesn't mean they have no responsibility,
>the organizers definitely shape the behavior for maximum titillation. Just
>about every woman interviewed said they would never consent if they had been
>sober.
What always strikes me about these girls is how many of them have their tongues
sticking out, not lasciviously but like five-year-olds from a school bus. It's
mooning with breasts.
That men who watch these videos can't tell the difference between horniness and
drunkenness, or don't care, says a lot. "She'll let you" isn't really the same
as "she wants to."
JoAnne "the get 'em drunk school of seduction" Schmitz
R H Draney
>
>What always strikes me about these girls is how many of them have their tongues
>sticking out, not lasciviously but like five-year-olds from a school bus. It's
>mooning with breasts.
>
>That men who watch these videos can't tell the difference between horniness and
>drunkenness, or don't care, says a lot. "She'll let you" isn't really the same
>as "she wants to."
They're tits...why should it matter how they got there?...r
Nathan Tenny
JoAnne Schmitz <jsch...@qis.net> wrote:
>What always strikes me about these girls is how many of them have their
>tongues sticking out, not lasciviously but like five-year-olds from a school
>bus. It's mooning with breasts.
I suspect that's part of the appeal to a certain type of repressed mind.
Actually, in the abstract, I don't know that "repressed" is even called
for; combine "comfortable enough to show off sexually" with "secure
enough to laugh at self about it" and you really do have a pretty attractive
combination.
All I know about the "Girls Gone Wild" videos is the TV ads, but it strikes
me as a pretty degenerate version of that dynamic---nevertheless the
dynamic itself is, I submit, real. If you're sufficiently French you
can call it jouissance, je suppose.
>That men who watch these videos can't tell the difference between horniness
>and drunkenness, or don't care, says a lot. "She'll let you" isn't really
>the same as "she wants to."
But she isn't "letting you"; *she's* doing something. I'm not as creeped
out by "guys like watching girls get drunk and do sexual stuff" as I am by
"guys like getting girls drunk and doing sexual stuff to them".
Mind, I'm sort of playing devil's avocado here, and I certainly don't want
to suggest that I think semipro video of drunk teenagers flashing is the
height of sophisticated sexuality (that would be Isabelle Pasco, in case
you ever need to know).
NT
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JoAnne Schmitz
wrote:
>>That men who watch these videos can't tell the difference between horniness
>>and drunkenness, or don't care, says a lot. "She'll let you" isn't really
>>the same as "she wants to."
>
>But she isn't "letting you"; *she's* doing something.
Er, the mental storyline doesn't stop there -- she's so drunk she'll let you do
anything, and later regret it (if she even remembers).
In fact, the stories that the producers are being sued can only help sales.
>I'm not as creeped
>out by "guys like watching girls get drunk and do sexual stuff" as I am by
>"guys like getting girls drunk and doing sexual stuff to them".
That's part of the storyline -- it just doesn't get shown on the videos, because
that would be rape. Plus the viewer would have to be unthreatened by the
presence of other men.
JoAnne "hot lesbo action == no penises to scare you" Schmitz
Nathan Tenny
JoAnne Schmitz <jsch...@qis.net> wrote:
>On 30 Jun 2003 10:00:20 -0700, n_t_e_nn_y_@q_ual_c_o_m_m_.c_o_m (Nathan Tenny)
>wrote:
>>>That men who watch these videos can't tell the difference between horniness
>>>and drunkenness, or don't care, says a lot. "She'll let you" isn't really
>>>the same as "she wants to."
>>
>>But she isn't "letting you"; *she's* doing something.
>
>Er, the mental storyline doesn't stop there -- she's so drunk she'll let you
>do anything, and later regret it (if she even remembers).
Well, I'd bet on a lot of individual differences in the "mental storyline";
I dunno how much it's really safe to generalize about the semiotics of
titillation. All of us, yea, even straight guys, are capable of startling
complexities once in a while---I mean, *look* at the stuff some people are
turned on by, a lot of which really admits *no* simple explanation...
I suppose we're in the shadow of the BoP, though.
Charles A Lieberman
JoAnne Schmitz <jsch...@qis.net> wrote:
> >>That men who watch these videos can't tell the difference between horniness
> >>and drunkenness, or don't care, says a lot. "She'll let you" isn't really
> >>the same as "she wants to."
> >
> >But she isn't "letting you"; *she's* doing something.
>
> Er, the mental storyline doesn't stop there -- she's so drunk she'll let you
> do
> anything, and later regret it (if she even remembers).
Whose mental storyline? I don't think "she'll have sex with you then
wish she hadn't"[1] is preferable, to most men, to "she'll have sex with
you then forget about it" (which in turn is dispreferable to "she'll
have sex with you then remember it fondly."
Charles "'She'll have sex with you then leave' is best of all" Lieberman
[1] I was just on the verge of taking issue with your use of "rape" when
I realized you weren't necessarily referring to charges being filed.
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JoAnne Schmitz
wrote:
>In article <4bv0gvk6qgopjalqf...@4ax.com>,
> JoAnne Schmitz <jsch...@qis.net> wrote:
>
>> >>That men who watch these videos can't tell the difference between horniness
>> >>and drunkenness, or don't care, says a lot. "She'll let you" isn't really
>> >>the same as "she wants to."
>> >
>> >But she isn't "letting you"; *she's* doing something.
>>
>> Er, the mental storyline doesn't stop there -- she's so drunk she'll let you
>> do
>> anything, and later regret it (if she even remembers).
>
>Whose mental storyline? I don't think "she'll have sex with you then
>wish she hadn't"[1] is preferable, to most men, to "she'll have sex with
>you then forget about it" (which in turn is dispreferable to "she'll
>have sex with you then remember it fondly."
Sigh. "If she even remembers." The main point here is that she's in a state
where she'll do something she normally wouldn't.
I'm not saying that most men would most prefer that they rape women. It's just
that many men will believe they'd never have a chance at a girl like the girls
in the "girls gone wild" videos unless the girl's judgment was impaired.
What happens afterwards varies for the person having the fantasy. I agree that
there is room for discussion, but I think some small subset of the "they're just
suing because their moms can see the videos, they really did consent" is
uncomfortably close to the stereotype of rape charges being drawn up on the
basis of later regret, "they all want it, they just don't want to look like
hoors."
It's a complex subject and many shades of gray apply.
>Charles "'She'll have sex with you then leave' is best of all" Lieberman
>
>[1] I was just on the verge of taking issue with your use of "rape" when
>I realized you weren't necessarily referring to charges being filed.
Zackly.
JoAnne "can't prosecute on the basis of thoughts" Schmitz
GrapeApe
Truckers being in a taller cab, often see women without shirts in the shorter
cars.
This does not mean the shirtless women in the cars are shirtless for the
benefit of the truckers.
Charles A Lieberman
JoAnne Schmitz <jsch...@qis.net> wrote:
> >> Er, the mental storyline doesn't stop there -- she's so drunk she'll let
> >> you
> >> do
> >> anything, and later regret it (if she even remembers).
> >
> >Whose mental storyline? I don't think "she'll have sex with you then
> >wish she hadn't"[1] is preferable, to most men, to "she'll have sex with
> >you then forget about it" (which in turn is dispreferable to "she'll
> >have sex with you then remember it fondly."
>
> Sigh. "If she even remembers." The main point here is that she's in a state
> where she'll do something she normally wouldn't.
I'm trying to be as nonconfrontational as possible here, but didn't you
mean "she'll let you do anything *even if* she later regrets it"? Some
women like sex drunk or sober. I like karaoke sober. I realize we're
only talking about the ones who only like it drunk (because the ones who
like it sober don't sue, or else it's the people you're talking about
below), but as a guy, I don't think male fantasies delve into it that
much, any more than men are inclined to do in real life. Less, in fact,
because you can't generally go to jail for unrealized fantasies.
> I think some small subset of the "they're
> just
> suing because their moms can see the videos, they really did consent" is
> uncomfortably close to the stereotype of rape charges being drawn up on the
> basis of later regret, "they all want it, they just don't want to look like
> hoors."
I don't know how current that stereotype is nowadays. I haven't been on
a college campus lately, though. I also think regret over a video sold
in stores (I suppose) is a different creature from regret over what
happened in private, even if he then brags about it to his friends (and
how many people still think there's some sort of factual connection
between the sex guys say they have and the sex they do have, anyway?)
Someone who was -- let's say pressured into consenting to appear on
tape, and was conflicted about it no matter how drunk she was, may well
regret it by the time the thing hits the stores.
> It's a complex subject and many shades of gray apply.
Isn't everything?
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starwars
>Yes this is true, My dad use to drive around with a wig and a short skirt
>on just so he could meet a guy for some good old family fun with out his
>daughter tagging along.
I give up could somebody else explain to Jenn the concept to this post ?
Honey we are not talking about..... oh why even bother she is probably
sleeping
off her medication now any way.
John Hibbert
Darden <ugly...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:45:45 -0500, TMOliver <olive(DEL)@calpha.com>
> wrote:
>
> I went to the newsgroup, "misc.transport.trucking" and asked this
> question. <surfingtr...@yahoo.com> said that it does happen at
> times, but it's not too common. He also said that sometimes men do it
> too. Weird!
A friend of mine, who is a trucker, says that women do on occasion flash
truckers[1], but the majority of the flashing is performed by men[2].
John "Anecdotes-R-Us" Hibbert
[1] We're not talking model-calibre women here.
[2] Usually more than just flashing, but there's no need to go into
detail.
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Mary Shafer
wrote:
> Mary Shafer <mil...@qnet.nospam.com> iterated.....
No, we didn't. Not even going over the irrigation canals. Not that
we had that many viaducts and overpasses, actually. I don't think we
had any, in fact. Grade crossings and canals were about it.
Mary
nooki...@gmail.com
Don Freeman
> Yes it does.. My wife has done this for years.. She flashes everything.. Lucky truck drivers
>
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> On 6/27/2016 7:55 AM, nooki...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Yes it does.. My wife has done this for years.. She flashes everything..
>> Lucky truck drivers
>
> Truckers have leaking roofs?
Dave, men can lick^H^H^H^Hflash truckers too
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