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Szymon Sokół

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Dec 27, 2009, 8:07:54 AM12/27/09
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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:13:55 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> In article <slrnhjdtv...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
> David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Michal Dwuznik (Micha=C5=82 Dwu=C5=BCnik)" wrote:
>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>> > On Dec 25, 7:20 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>>> >> <@think.a.bit.before.replying> wrote:
>>>> >>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>> >>>>> __________
>>>> >>>>> | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
>>>> >>>>> | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
>>>> >>>>> | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
>>>> >>>>> ----------
>>
>>I swear those weren't there when I quoted it. Mutant tabdamage AHOY!
>
> When I saw it, it was a nice little box neatly packed with copies
> of capital A with a tilde over it. Now each of those has been
> expanded into equals-C2-equals=A0, and the box is all distorted.
>
> (What was inside the box originally? Just curious....)

Non-breakable spaces, ie. spaces with the property that the software
shouldn't break line directly before/after them. Their UTF-8 code is C2 A0.
And =C2=A0 seems to be the result of David's slrn not understanding
quoted-printable. I was quite certain slrn *could* do it, and the previous
post (by Cryptoengineer) was correctly marked (in its headers) as using
quoted-printable, so I am a bit puzzled here.

This time the problem is orthogonal to the use of UTF-8 - I believe the same
would happen if those non-breakable spaces were encoded in ISO 8859-1, where
their code would be just A0, and David would have mangled it to =A0. And I
am explaining this not for Dorothy's benefit, since I guess she is not
interested in technical details, but just to stop Keith from piping in about
the evils of Unicode.

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Dorothy J Heydt

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Dec 27, 2009, 10:09:13 AM12/27/09
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In article <12z48b8m...@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>,

Szymon Sokó� <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:13:55 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnhjdtv...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>> David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>>Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>"Michal Dwuznik (Micha=C5=82 Dwu=C5=BCnik)" wrote:
>>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>> > On Dec 25, 7:20 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>>>> >> <@think.a.bit.before.replying> wrote:
>>>>> >>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> __________
>>>>> >>>>> | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
>>>>> >>>>> | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
>>>>> >>>>> | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
>>>>> >>>>> ----------
>>>
>>>I swear those weren't there when I quoted it. Mutant tabdamage AHOY!
>>
>> When I saw it, it was a nice little box neatly packed with copies
>> of capital A with a tilde over it. Now each of those has been
>> expanded into equals-C2-equals=A0, and the box is all distorted.
>>
>> (What was inside the box originally? Just curious....)
>
>Non-breakable spaces, ie. spaces with the property that the software
>shouldn't break line directly before/after them. Their UTF-8 code is C2 A0.

Ah. Thanks.

>And =C2=A0 seems to be the result of David's slrn not understanding
>quoted-printable. I was quite certain slrn *could* do it, and the previous
>post (by Cryptoengineer) was correctly marked (in its headers) as using
>quoted-printable, so I am a bit puzzled here.
>
>This time the problem is orthogonal to the use of UTF-8 - I believe the same
>would happen if those non-breakable spaces were encoded in ISO 8859-1, where
>their code would be just A0, and David would have mangled it to =A0. And I
>am explaining this not for Dorothy's benefit, since I guess she is not
>interested in technical details, but just to stop Keith from piping in about
>the evils of Unicode.

It's early in the morning here and for a bleary-eyed moment there
I read "the evils of Unicorns."

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.

R H Draney

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Dec 27, 2009, 3:23:47 PM12/27/09
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Dorothy J Heydt filted:

Pace Dave Barry, "The Evils of Unicode" would be a great name for a rock
band....

To consider Unicorns evil, however, you must have seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ZW0QdNakc

....r


--
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?

"Michal Dwuznik (Michał Dwużnik)"

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Dec 27, 2009, 6:04:32 PM12/27/09
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Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> This time the problem is orthogonal to the use of UTF-8 - I believe the same
>> would happen if those non-breakable spaces were encoded in ISO 8859-1, where
>> their code would be just A0, and David would have mangled it to =A0. And I
>> am explaining this not for Dorothy's benefit, since I guess she is not
>> interested in technical details, but just to stop Keith from piping in about
>> the evils of Unicode.
>
> It's early in the morning here and for a bleary-eyed moment there
> I read "the evils of Unicorns."
>

Now I've got a vision of an evil black unicorn in his badly lit warm lair...

Michal

erilar

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:36:21 AM12/28/09
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In article <hh8p60$10v$3...@news.onet.pl>,
"Michal Dwuznik (Micha©© Dwu˝nik)"
<"michal[dot]dwuznik[at]cern[dot]ch"@think.a.bit.before.replying>
wrote:

Oh, lovely vision 8-)

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo

cryptoguy

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:24:02 AM12/28/09
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On Dec 28, 9:36 am, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <hh8p60$10...@news.onet.pl>,

>  "Michal Dwuznik (Micha©© Dwu˝nik)"
>  <"michal[dot]dwuznik[at]cern[dot]ch"@think.a.bit.before.replying>
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> > Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > >> This time the problem is orthogonal to the use of UTF-8 - I believe the
> > >> same
> > >> would happen if those non-breakable spaces were encoded in ISO 8859-1,
> > >> where
> > >> their code would be just A0, and David would have mangled it to =A0. And I
> > >> am explaining this not for Dorothy's benefit, since I guess she is not
> > >> interested in technical details, but just to stop Keith from piping in
> > >> about
> > >> the evils of Unicode.
>
> > > It's early in the morning here and for a bleary-eyed moment there
> > > I read "the evils of Unicorns."
>
> > Now I've got a vision of an evil black unicorn in his badly lit warm lair...
>
> Oh, lovely vision 8-)

Doug Winger has done at least one picture on that theme, which, for
good and sufficient reasons, I will not link.
(lets just say he puts the 'N' in 'NSFW')

pt

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