Brain damage from cartilage ear piercing
M Wells
Years ago I was warned about the potential dangers of having a
cartilage ear pierce performed, on the basis that a nerve allegedly
runs through the cartilage of the ear that can cause brain damage of
some kind if severed during the piercing.
More recently my wife mentioned the same story, with almost the exact
same details -- although she added the detail that another danger she
was warned of was the potential for the ear to collapse. She wasn't
sure if this was supposed to be due to the nerve being severed or some
other alleged danger inherent to the process.
Comments from the folk in rec.arts.bodyart [1], where I recently asked
about this, seem to indicate that this story is, indeed, a fallacy.
A conversation I had with a professional piercer also highlighted
other potential Urban Legends surrounding the dangers of piercing,
although piercing specialists in Queensland, Australia appear to be
required to supply an advisory form before performing piercing that
warns of the potential for infection, injury and death [2]. One such
common concern she had encountered was that an eyebrow pierce could
cause the side of the face it was performed on to become permanently
paralysed. From our conversation I understood this also to be untrue
and therefore potentially an Urban Legend.
Are these widespread beliefs? Certainly it seems to have been
prevalent at some point in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
Note: a search through the usual sources (AFU FAQ, snopes,
UrbanLegends and DejaNews) using keywords such as "pierc(e)/(ing)",
"damage" and "brain" did not locate any relevant material.
Regards,
M "put the gun down, lady, we can still talk about this" Wells
[1] See http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=430722628 for my post to
rec.arts.bodyart [3] and the subsequent thread.
[2] The form does not mention under what circumstances these
eventualities may arise. Certainly, infections are common in piercing,
and are dealt with extensively in after-care instructions, but
injuries and death are not dealt with in detail in the literature.
[3] For those with an interest in bodyart issues, including piercing,
tattooing, branding etc FAQs, see the official homepage of
rec.arts.bodyart at http://www.eskimo.com/~rab/lobby.html
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H.W.M.
> Years ago I was warned about the potential dangers of having a
> cartilage ear pierce performed,
My wife has unfortunately not lost her speech skills, and whilst her
sharp tongue sticks into my eye, her ear piercings are quite another
story. She had pierced ears and despite using gold earrings they got
inflamed and finally grew shut. A few years back she decided to get
them pierced but a year ago the holes again started to get inflamed,
and are now still sometimes getting irritated. My mom has had her
ears pierced some 60 years, and most definitely used a lot of alloys
in her earrings with no troubles. Weird. I think I'll pass.
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I don't know about today, but back in 70's in Leningrad,USSR there was a very
wide common belief, that if you pierce your ear in the "wrong point" it may
cause Hepatitis. On the other hand, it was believed, that if you pierce your
ear in the "right point" it may cure many deseases (as far as I can remember,
even Myopia). At that time, girls at schools in Russia were not allowed to
wear any rings or earrings. So one clever girl at my school claimed, that she
must wear earrings, for so was advised by her doctor. Eventually, all the
girls at that school were permitted to wear earrings "for medical reason",
which was quite exeptional for that time. I think that is an unusual example
of how UL can actually affect decision making. I myself wondered even then,
how stuppid people can get.
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Alex Elliott
H.W.M. <figure...@gnwmail.com> wrote:
>M Wells wrote:
>
>> Years ago I was warned about the potential dangers of having a
>> cartilage ear pierce performed,
>
>My wife has unfortunately not lost her speech skills, and whilst her
>sharp tongue sticks into my eye, her ear piercings are quite another
>story.
[snip]
It sounds to me like you're not talking about cartilage piercings,
which are not holes in the fleshy part of the lobe, but are higher
up on the stiff part of the ear. If you see someone with a little
ring near the top of the ear, that's a cartilage piercing.
Many jewelry stores in the U.S. will pierce ears for "free" (you have
to purchase earrings in order to get it done), but are prohibited from
doing cartilage piercings. You have to go somewhere licensed to do body
piercings in order to get one. I've heard that they take longer to heal
than a lobe piercing, but nothing about brain damage.
A friend of mine did get a keloid (big, thick, ugly scar) growing on
the back of his ear at the site of a cartilage piercing, but it went
away with some steriod injections (administered by his doctor) into the
keloid.
Alex
SCUBAMA
>an eyebrow pierce could
>cause the side of the face it was performed on to become permanently
>paralysed. From our conversation I understood this also to be untrue
>and therefore potentially an Urban Legend.
>
>Are these widespread beliefs?
I know only one professional piercer. Piercing is his hobby, his job and,
along with the full body tatoos, his form of self-expression. He assures me
that this is true, that there is a nerve nexus (his phrase) that can be damaged
by eyebrow piercing, and that can result in a facial paralysis. He does not do
eyebrows, his own or others, for this reason.
On the other hand, he is still a few credits short his medical degree.
kay w
Madeleine Page
: autumn_...@bigpond.com (M Wells) asked:
:>an eyebrow pierce could
:>cause the side of the face it was performed on to become permanently
:>paralysed. From our conversation I understood this also to be untrue
:>and therefore potentially an Urban Legend.
: I know only one professional piercer.
: He assures me that this is
: true, that there is a nerve nexus (his phrase) that can be damaged
: by eyebrow piercing, and that can result in a facial paralysis. He does not do
: eyebrows, his own or others, for this reason.
: On the other hand, he is still a few credits short his medical degree.
Facial paralysis from eyebrow piercing could, I think, only result from
damage to the seventh cranial nerve, the facial nerve. This is what is
affected in Bell's palsy, a form of facial paralysis. Victims of Bell's,
however, invariably recover if the paralysis is partial. And given that
"half the face is paralysed" according to our original informant, this
wold seem to be a partial paralysis we're talking about.
Incidentally, the facial nerve *does* have a temporal branch that extends
just below and along the top of the outer half of the eyebrow, so it
seems possible that this could be severed by an ill-judged piercing.
Madeleine "stick with getting your tongue pierced is my advice" Page
Jim Everman
>
>
> Madeleine "stick with getting your tongue pierced is my advice" Page
I wonder if we could somehow generate intrest in finger piercing
amongst the AOL/WebTV crowd?
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Robert
>Hello All,
>
>Years ago I was warned about the potential dangers of having a
>cartilage ear pierce performed, on the basis that a nerve allegedly
>runs through the cartilage of the ear that can cause brain damage of
>some kind if severed during the piercing.
>
I thought the brain had to be damaged before the piercing was done.
Walter Eric Johnson
It does. Piercing and tatoos are excellent ways to contract
hepatitis.
Eric Johnson
Henrik Schmidt
> It sounds to me like you're not talking about cartilage piercings,
> which are not holes in the fleshy part of the lobe, but are higher
> up on the stiff part of the ear. If you see someone with a little
> ring near the top of the ear, that's a cartilage piercing.
A MedLine search on "body piercing" will (among other interesting
things) yield a study by Simplot & Hoffman, Department of
Otolaryngology, University of Minnesota, titled "Comparison between
cartilage and soft tissue ear piercing complications".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9758178&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
The conclusion is as follows:
"CONCLUSION: This study identifies a low prevalence of
major complications (<1%) and a relatively high prevalence of minor
complications (30%) associated with ear piercing. The expected increase
in complications and morbidity of piercing through cartilage was not
found in this study."
The complications consisted of "minor infection (77%), allergic reaction
(43%), keloid (2.5%), and traumatic tear (2.5%)."
> A friend of mine did get a keloid (big, thick, ugly scar) growing on
> the back of his ear at the site of a cartilage piercing, but it went
> away with some steriod injections (administered by his doctor) into the
> keloid.
This would seem to be one of the rarer complications, if not exactly
unheard of. So, at least according to this study, there is no greater
risk of having the cartilage of your ear pierced, than there is having a
traditional earlobe piercing.
Henrik "MedLine errmm... Man. Yes, that's it. MedLine Man!" Schmidt
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Ben Walsh
>It does. Piercing and tatoos are excellent ways to contract
>hepatitis.
Mine was done with a one-use needle which was taken out of its wrapping in
front of me and disposed of in a bio waste container afterwards. The bloke
wore rubber gloves which he only used once, a sterile alcohol swab and a
sterile bandage. I don't know how I could have contracted hepatitis from
that procedure.
But if you have some actual cites that link piercing and hepatitis, I'd read
them avidly.
ben "just a little prick with a needle" w.
Simon Slavin
Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> wrote:
> Incidentally, the facial nerve *does* have a temporal branch that extends
> just below and along the top of the outer half of the eyebrow, so it
> seems possible that this could be severed by an ill-judged piercing.
>
> Madeleine "stick with getting your tongue pierced is my advice" Page
How many females would risk partial paralysis of the tongue ?
Or would like their men to ?
Simon.
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Crash
> Madeleine Page wrote:
> > Madeleine "stick with getting your tongue pierced is my advice" Page
> amongst the AOL/WebTV crowd?
What, just to hear the clitter clatter of little fingers?
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Kennedy
> :
> : >Hello All,
> : >
> : >Years ago I was warned about the potential dangers of having a
> : >cartilage ear pierce performed, on the basis that a nerve allegedly
> : >runs through the cartilage of the ear that can cause brain damage of
> : >some kind if severed during the piercing.
> : >
To which Robert (rjc...@mindspring.com) wrote:
> : I thought the brain had to be damaged before the piercing was done.
And then (Walter) Eric Johnson so replied:
>
> It does. Piercing and tatoos are excellent ways to contract
> hepatitis.
Which, though Eric does have basis, takes us into dangerous territory.
Though rjc...@mindspring.com is not an AFU regular, I feel cause to
remind all that passing judgement on those who choose to adorn
themselves via piercings, tattoos et al should be kept out of AFU due to
the fact that many people feel quite strongly on the subject,
particularly those who feel as if they must defend the practice (and
possibly by extension, themselves) at every available opportunity, and
boring flame wars tend to result, which believe it or not have been
known to segue into several other off limits topic for AFU.
Just trying to nip things in the bud before they get started.
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wa...@hotmail.com (Lara Hopkins) wrote:
> Ben Walsh wrote:
>
>
> >
> > But if you have some actual cites that link piercing and hepatitis, I'd read
> > them avidly.
>
>
[Lara's cites snipped (though worth reading)]
> Lara Hopkins
That is why I do my own piercings - can't catch hepatitis, etc., from myself.
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>
>How many females would risk partial paralysis of the tongue ?
>Or would like their men to ?
The Mutant and his girlfriend both have pierced tongues. It must sound
like bee bees in a box when they kiss.
Said Mutant thought about getting a Prince Albert, and asked me about it
(we have that kind of relationship). Horrified, I asked him why he
wanted it. 'It makes sex better.'
I told him if he thought wearing his shoes on his ears made sex better,
it probably would. Fortunately, an old roadie friend took him aside and
told him some horror stories, and he didn't get it done.
I don't think.
Lizz 'Besides, if sex isn't good for a boy when he's 18, when *will* it
be good?' Holmans
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>
> But if you have some actual cites that link piercing and hepatitis, I'd read
> them avidly.
Beauty treatments and risk of parenterally transmitted hepatitis: results
from the hepatitis surveillance
system in Italy.
Mele A, Corona R, Tosti ME, Palumbo F, Moiraghi A, Novaco F, Galanti C,
Bernacchia R, Ferraro P
Scand J Infect Dis 1995 27:5 441-4
Hepatitis C in asymptomatic blood donors.
Alter HJ, Conry-Cantilena C, Melpolder J, Tan D, Van Raden M, Herion D,
Lau D, Hoofnagle JH
Hepatology 1997 Sep 26:3 Suppl 1 29S-33S
[Hepatitis B transmitted by ear-piercing]
Hvolris JJ
Ugeskr Laeger 1991 Jan 7 153:2 119
An acupuncture-associated outbreak of hepatitis B in Jerusalem.
Slater PE, Ben-Ishai P, Leventhal A, Zahger D, Bashary A, Moses A, Costin
C, Shouval D
Eur J Epidemiol 1988 Sep 4:3 322-5
An outbreak of hepatitis B from tattooing.
Limentani AE, Elliott LM, Noah ND, Lamborn JK
Lancet 1979 Jul 14 2:8133 86-8
I can't after much searching find the cite I remember reading last year.
I think it was from the MJA. A number of accredited tattoo parlours were
audited for sterile technique. These were places with autoclaves, gloves,
etc who thought they were doing the right thing. 30% or more in fact
practised very dodgy techniques without realising it. The one that stuck
in my mind was: Artist is in the middle of performing a tattoo: with fresh
needle, fresh gloves. The phone rings. He picks up the phone, bloodied
gloves still on, chats, puts it down and continues to tattoo.
Not to mention a first-person sighting of reused wax in a beautician.
Have you ever been waxed? There's not infrequently blood involved.
And then there's fifteen-year-old pharmacy assistants performing piercing
with a reused, supposedly sterilised gun instead of a single-use needle.
Lara Hopkins
Walter Eric Johnson
: Walter Eric Johnson wrote in message <77ebeu$69t$1...@news.tamu.edu>...
:
: >It does. Piercing and tatoos are excellent ways to contract
: >hepatitis.
:
:
: Mine was done with a one-use needle which was taken out of its wrapping in
: front of me and disposed of in a bio waste container afterwards. The bloke
: wore rubber gloves which he only used once, a sterile alcohol swab and a
: sterile bandage. I don't know how I could have contracted hepatitis from
: that procedure.
But are they all done that way? Where was yours done?
: But if you have some actual cites that link piercing and hepatitis, I'd read
: them avidly.
There was a pro-med message about it last July. It mostly dealt
with tattooing, but also warns about body piercing. See it at
<http://www.healthnet.org/programs/promed-hma/9807/msg00231.html>.
Eric Johnson
keith lim
> Madeleine Page wrote:
> > Madeleine "stick with getting your tongue pierced is my advice" Page
> I wonder if we could somehow generate intrest in finger piercing
> amongst the AOL/WebTV crowd?
It is often the case that when you get some body part pierced, you pay
more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
ways. In other words, you probably want the AOL/WebTV crowd to *not*
pierce their fingers.
keith "there's a posting lull only during the healing period" lim
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wrote:
>Lizz 'Besides, if sex isn't good for a boy when he's 18, when *will* it
>be good?' Holmans
Based on my experience, 46
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Alex Elliott
Lara Hopkins <wa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ben Walsh wrote:
>>
>> But if you have some actual cites that link piercing and hepatitis, I'd read
>> them avidly.
[citations deleted]
>I can't after much searching find the cite I remember reading last year.
>I think it was from the MJA. A number of accredited tattoo parlours were
>audited for sterile technique. These were places with autoclaves, gloves,
>etc who thought they were doing the right thing. 30% or more in fact
>practised very dodgy techniques without realising it.
Those citations seemed to indicate that the majority of Hepatitis
infections vectored by body art were Hepatitis B. There exists a
vaccine for Hep-B. Since it's a synthetic vaccine, there's no
risk of infection from the vaccination itself.
Therefore, if you're likely to get a lot of piercings or tattoos, it's
probably a good idea to get vaccinated. If you're a tattoo artist, you
should definitely get vaccinated. My doctor recommends universal
vaccination since Hep-B is rather contagious (not influenza-contagious,
but *way* more contagious than things like HIV) and the vaccine is safe,
though expensive. Don't take my word for it though, ask your doctor
about it at your next general physical exam (everyone here *does* have
a physical every few years I hope).
Alex "Does anyone else besides me *loathe* the use of 'cite' as a
noun?" Elliott
deke.sp...@generous.net
>> I wonder if we could somehow generate intrest in finger piercing
>> amongst the AOL/WebTV crowd?
>It is often the case that when you get some body part pierced, you pay
>more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
>ways. In other words, you probably want the AOL/WebTV crowd to *not*
>pierce their fingers.
Has anyone developed brain-piercing technology?
deacon "would like for my ex- to get her heart pierced, too" blues
Lizz Holmans
>Therefore, if you're likely to get a lot of piercings or tattoos, it's
>probably a good idea to get vaccinated. If you're a tattoo artist, you
>should definitely get vaccinated. My doctor recommends universal
>vaccination since Hep-B is rather contagious (not influenza-contagious,
>but *way* more contagious than things like HIV) and the vaccine is safe,
>though expensive. Don't take my word for it though, ask your doctor
>about it at your next general physical exam (everyone here *does* have
>a physical every few years I hope).
One thing that should also be remembered is that, after any tattoo, one
must not give blood for a while. At the American Red Cross, Blood
Services, the deferral is for one year.
The explanation we were told to give is that, although the needle may be
sterile and single use, the ink might not be a fresh bottle used for
only one person.
The deferral for tattooing was in place before HIV became huge. The risk
we were trying to deal with was hepatitis B--a lot more common, a lot
easier to catch, and will kill you just as dead as AIDS will.
>
>Alex "Does anyone else besides me *loathe* the use of 'cite' as a
> noun?" Elliott
Ummm....Well, I don't loathe it. I loathe 'impact' as a verb.
Lizz 'My first question to men with tattoos is "How drunk were you when
you got it?" ' Holmans
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> I loathe 'impact' as a verb.
Me too!!!!!!!1!
> Lizz 'My first question to men with tattoos is "How drunk were you when
> you got it?" ' Holmans
Some years ago a close friend, visiting San Francisco on
business, was having a drink in a bar, where he happened
to meet a group of Australian sailors there on shore leave.
Among other things, they discussed the knights of the Order
of the Garter; he told them he was a fan.
You see where this is going.
In a rather ULish way, he woke up the next morning (with no
recollection of where he had been after about midnight or
how, in fact, he had gotten back to his hotel); he felt a
sharp pain. Both kidneys were, fortunately, intact. The
pain was in his left shoulder.
He peeled off a bandage to find that he'd been tattooed
with the device of a maltese cross encircled by the motto
"honi soit qui mal y pense."
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Honey, Swockey, Marley, and Pants" Weiner Campbell
Phil Edwards
wrote:
>It is often the case that when you get some body part pierced, you pay
>more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
>ways.
Really? I never had that feeling about my left earlobe, and I don't
recall any signs that my sister felt like that about her nostril[1].
What did you have in mind, and can you provide citations[2]?
[1] Early '80s, this was. Not like now[3].
[2] Hi Alex!
[3] Welcome please the Death Knell of Body Piercing: woman with
pierced nose, seen taking six-year-old son to school.
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> deacon "would like for my ex- to get her heart pierced, too" blues
You're lucky - mine doesn't have a heart.
James Nicoll
<deke.sp...@generous.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:29:25 +0800, keit...@pobox.com (keith lim) wrote:
>
> >> amongst the AOL/WebTV crowd?
>
> >more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
> >pierce their fingers.
>
Offhand?
That fellow who had a railway spike blown up through his head.
A gentleman who fell on his power drill in such a way that it
drilled into his head.
A suicidal gentleman who shot himself several times in
the head without hitting anything he turned out to need.
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deke.sp...@generous.net wrote
:(keith lim) wrote:
:
: >> I wonder if we could somehow generate intrest in finger piercing
: >> amongst the AOL/WebTV crowd?
:
: >It is often the case that when you get some body part pierced, you pay
: >more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
: >ways. In other words, you probably want the AOL/WebTV crowd to *not*
: >pierce their fingers.
:
:Has anyone developed brain-piercing technology?
:deacon "would like for my ex- to get her heart pierced, too" blues
With anything?
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: Those citations seemed to indicate that the majority of Hepatitis
: infections vectored by body art were Hepatitis B. There exists a
: vaccine for Hep-B. Since it's a synthetic vaccine, there's no
: risk of infection from the vaccination itself.
I think hepatitis C is becoming more and more of a problem, too. One
problem is that you don't know you have it until you either test for
it or the liver is destroyed to the extent that there is little to
do but find a transplant.
Eric Johnson
Walter Eric Johnson
: On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:29:25 +0800, keit...@pobox.com (keith lim) wrote:
:
: >> I wonder if we could somehow generate intrest in finger piercing
: >> amongst the AOL/WebTV crowd?
:
: >It is often the case that when you get some body part pierced, you pay
: >more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
: >ways. In other words, you probably want the AOL/WebTV crowd to *not*
: >pierce their fingers.
:
: Has anyone developed brain-piercing technology?
Stereotactically?
Eric Johnson
Lara Hopkins
> My doctor recommends universal
> vaccination since Hep-B is rather contagious (not influenza-contagious,
> but *way* more contagious than things like HIV) and the vaccine is safe,
> though expensive.
The Austrian NHMRC has recommended universal HepB vaccination for some
time, and the government has finally jumped on the bandwagon and funded
free vaccines for all 12 year olds. For those older and younger, the
vaccine here only costs 15 to 20 dollars a vial. (at the risk of starting
a comparative costs thread AAAARGH)
Lara
RadioFlyr
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk.DELETE> wrote:
>
> Lizz 'My first question to men with tattoos is "How drunk were you when
> you got it?" ' Holmans
Well, it is a verb meaning "to drive close; fix firmly; pack; wedge"
according to my Webster's Collegiate Dic (copyright 1937). The
pronunciation is different than is used today, with the accent on the
second syllable.
These days the accent is on the first syllable when it is used to describe
a collision, effect, etc., but it is not in either dictionary that I own
(the more "modern" one almost 15 years old).
Radio"just had an imPACTed whiz-dumb toof removed yesterday"Flyr
Margaret Lillard
sez:
>On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:29:25 +0800, keit...@pobox.com (keith lim)
>wrote:
>
>>It is often the case that when you get some body part pierced, you pay
>>more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
>>ways.
>
>Really? I never had that feeling about my left earlobe, and I don't
>recall any signs that my sister felt like that about her nostril[1].
>What did you have in mind, and can you provide citations[2]?
I think it depends on which body part you got pierced (and, of course,
how well it's healing).
Margaret "The Thinker" Lillard
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Paraic O'Donnell
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Lizz 'Besides, if sex isn't good for a boy when he's 18, when *will* it
>be good?' Holmans
Ah, but he didn't say it wasn't good; he said he wanted it to be
*better*.
Paraic "though he may just mean 'longer', and with central heating"
O'Donnell
Paraic O'Donnell
<ben_...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Mine was done with a one-use needle which was taken out of its wrapping in
>front of me and disposed of in a bio waste container afterwards. The bloke
>wore rubber gloves which he only used once, a sterile alcohol swab and a
>sterile bandage. I don't know how I could have contracted hepatitis from
>that procedure.
Kids these days. I did mine in the time-honoured on-a-dare fashion,
using two ice cubes, a sewing needle and a bottle of Dettol. Oh, and
most of a bottle of vodka.
I still particularly remember how the skin at the back of the lobe was
tented out, John Hurt-like, as the needle failed to puncture the final
layers of tissue.
I don't remember the issue of hepatitis being raised. I suppose that,
when you're doing something as implacably self-destructive as stabbing
yourself in the ear with a non-surgical and, in retrospect, fairly
blunt instrument, concerns such as mere disease seem rather abstract.
Ah, boyhood.
Paraic "the needle and the damage done" O'Donnell
Ben Walsh
>Kids these days. I did mine in the time-honoured on-a-dare fashion,
>using two ice cubes, a sewing needle and a bottle of Dettol. Oh, and
>most of a bottle of vodka.
>I still particularly remember how the skin at the back of the lobe was
>tented out, John Hurt-like, as the needle failed to puncture the final
>layers of tissue.
The site of the piercing to which I was referring could not be said to have
a "lobe".
>I don't remember the issue of hepatitis being raised. I suppose that,
>when you're doing something as implacably self-destructive as stabbing
>yourself in the ear with a non-surgical and, in retrospect, fairly
>blunt instrument, concerns such as mere disease seem rather abstract.
Nor could it be said to be an "ear".
ben "that's not where I dangle it" w.
Phil Edwards
(RadioFlyr) wrote, mysteriously:
>In article <wUY+HBA0XMn2Ew$n...@jackalope.demon.co.uk>, Lizz Holmans
><di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk.DELETE> wrote:
>
>> Lizz 'My first question to men with tattoos is "How drunk were you when
>> you got it?" ' Holmans
>
>Well, it is a verb meaning "to drive close; fix firmly; pack; wedge"
>according to my Webster's Collegiate Dic (copyright 1937). The
>pronunciation is different than is used today, with the accent on the
>second syllable.
As in "tatTOO"?
>These days the accent is on the first syllable when it is used to describe
>a collision, effect, etc., but it is not in either dictionary that I own
>(the more "modern" one almost 15 years old).
No, can't be. Think, think. "QUEStion"? "HOLmans"? Er... "HOW drunk"?
>Radio"just had an imPACTed whiz-dumb toof removed yesterday"Flyr
Ah. Radio me old mucker, a word in your ear. When they told you about
trimming quotes - you know, cutting some bits and leaving others in -
there was a reason for it. You need to cut *the right bits*.
Phil "but only you will know which they are - think you're up to it?"
Rufus
> A suicidal gentleman who shot himself several times in
>the head without hitting anything he turned out to need.
Oddly enough a friend of mine did that, but not as an attempt at suicide.
The hospital were very confused, as he walked a long way to get there and
admitted himself before he collapsed, so they assumed it must be stuck in
the side with the wound. and only took sufficient notice of the lateral
X-ray. They took off that side of his skull to get at it [1]. It turned out
to be in the other side so they had to take that off too. Apart from
deciding to have a very short haircut he was unaffected once he was up and
about again.
Rufus "curiously irrelevant and yet it needed to be said" Evison
[1] Well I guess it wasn't the whole side, but it certainly seemed like it
from the ridges in his skull that it left behind.
RadioFlyr
Edwards) wrote:
>
> Ah. Radio me old mucker, a word in your ear. When they told you about
> trimming quotes - you know, cutting some bits and leaving others in -
> there was a reason for it. You need to cut *the right bits*.
sorry, i can't even justify this oversight and I apologize.
Radio"I suppose i could blame it on these pills they gave me after they
yanked my wisdom teeth, but i won't"Flyr
Madeleine Page
: amr...@zetnet.co.uk (Phil Edwards) wrote:
:> Ah. Radio me old mucker, a word in your ear. When they told you about
:> trimming quotes - you know, cutting some bits and leaving others in -
:> there was a reason for it. You need to cut *the right bits*.
: sorry, i can't even justify this oversight and I apologize.
Gracious apology wins lots more points than were lost in the first place.
Especially as the weird post gave rise to a classic PhilE Phunnypost [TM]
: Radio"I suppose i could blame it on these pills they gave me after they
: yanked my wisdom teeth, but i won't"Flyr
Teehee! You looked like a chipmunk *and* you wrote a silly post to afu!
Ahem. You have my warmest sympathies.
Madeleine "still trying to figure out why they marked me down on 'empathy'
in my semester-end review" Page
David Scheidt
: Teehee! You looked like a chipmunk *and* you wrote a silly post to afu!
: Ahem. You have my warmest sympathies.
: Madeleine "still trying to figure out why they marked me down on 'empathy'
: in my semester-end review" Page
Weasels are insufficiently cuddly.
David "and they got cold noses" Scheidt
Madeleine Page
: Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> wrote:
: : Teehee! You looked like a chipmunk *and* you wrote a silly post to afu!
: : Ahem. You have my warmest sympathies.
: : Madeleine "still trying to figure out why they marked me down on 'empathy'
: : in my semester-end review" Page
: Weasels are insufficiently cuddly.
OK. Scratch out David "The Squirrel of Sagacity" Scheidt.
: David "and they got cold noses" Scheidt
Madeleine "and replace it with The Tapeworm of Temerity" Page
Lizz Holmans
>Weasels are insufficiently cuddly.
While all weasels are cuddly, some are more cuddly than others.
>
>David "and they got cold noses" Scheidt
Lizz 'but warm parts' Holmans, V.S.W. of A.F.U.(1)
(1) Damn the BOA. I'm talking about weasels.
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Rebecca S Altes
piercing does not prevent the fashion afflicted from speaking, finger
piercing will not prevent typing. Although I've always been impressed by
the typing abilities of so many women who have extremely long fingernails.
Eric M. Fesh
: >It is often the case that when you get some body part pierced, you pay
: >more attention to it, and want to use it more often and in more creative
: >pierce their fingers.
:
: Has anyone developed brain-piercing technology?
I'm probably slow on the draw here, but you ever heard of prefrontal
lobotomy? Or (and I forget the poor fellow's name) the railroad worker
back in the 1800s who survived a brain-piercing from a railroad spike...
Eric "was under the impression that AOL/WebTV users had already been
lobotomized..." Fesh
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> Eric "was under the impression that AOL/WebTV users had already been
> lobotomized..." Fesh
If this cartilage piercing had any effect, I suppose Jicksma jingles
when walking.
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SOCCERNUMB
Kris Lipman
finer exposition of correlation? "Causation" is a rhetorical term used
to claim more than is ever warranted.
SOCCERNUMB wrote:
> Correlation does not equal causation...
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JasCJones
>According to the scientific method, "causation" is just the finer and
>finer exposition of correlation? "Causation" is a rhetorical term used
>to claim more than is ever warranted.
>SOCCERNUMB wrote:
>> Correlation does not equal causation...
Where is the theory? I thought the scientific method was a three parter:
observation, hypothesis, experiment. Without a theory you have only
correlation.
Jim "put another way, the beginnings of an UL" Jones
yada yada yada at aol.com
"He are the egg man. I are the cow-rus." - Don "koo-koo-koo-joob" Whittington
Kris Lipman
assume there is no association or a random association between observation X and
the occurrence of Y and try to prove that thro' testing. The reason we posit the
null hypothesis is because, rationally, we can never actually know whether we have
controlled for every single variable but X because we aren't omniscient. We then
*attempt* to control every variable except X during experimental observation to
test whether Y occurs randomly. If we disprove the null hypothesis, the most we
are allowed to conclude is that we couldn't exclude X as a *possible* causal
factor under such and such boundary conditions (the variables we controlled for).
In other words, there is a nonrandom correlation between X and Y. Then some smart
alec postdoc can come along afterward and say we didn't control for Z because we
didn't think of it, perform some new tests which isolate X and Z, and find that
now Y does occur randomly with X, thus, excluding X as a *possible* causal factor.
Then another postdoc can do the same thing to her. This is what I meant earlier by
the "finer and finer exposition of correlation." "Causation" is a loaded term
which scientists rightfully dance around when you see them during press
conferences hedging and qualifying their statements and eschewing the use of words
such as "links." That's because as mere mortals all we can deal with is
correlations and probabilities. "Causation" is an ever drifting mirage to hubris.
"Causation" is something you find in poorly worded news articles by editors and
writers who don't understand the underpinnings of the philosophy of science.
That's why when I see someone state, "Correlation does not equal causation ...",
the critical thing is what would they put in place of the ellipsis, what
epistemological ground are they arguing from: Science, theology... I hope this
helps.
JasCJones wrote:
> Kris Lipman <kali...@up.net>:
> >According to the scientific method, "causation" is just the finer and
> >finer exposition of correlation? "Causation" is a rhetorical term used
> >to claim more than is ever warranted.
>
> >SOCCERNUMB wrote:
> >> Correlation does not equal causation...
>
> Where is the theory? I thought the scientific method was a three parter:
> observation, hypothesis, experiment. Without a theory you have only
> correlation.
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