Semen in McDonalds shakes and sauces
Irene Malin
London, England.
A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with severe
cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
herpes. Furher examination revealed that he also carried hepatitis. He
was quizzed about his life and said that he was still a virgin. It
became clear that he ate in McDonalds Edgware between 3 and 4 times a
week.
The Environmental Health Inspectors who went shut the branch down
within three hours as they found semen in the shakes and sauces.
The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is now in legal
proceedings. McDonald's have closed down the branch and probably will
not open it again. The boy is suing for a significant pay out. He is
also suing for the mental damage knowing what some McDonald's employee
did to his food food. There is evidence that this has happened at
other McDonald's in Europe and North America. Also a similar incident
was reported at a Burger King in Milwaukee, USA.
The only symptoms seem to be cold sores or other lip infections that
cannot be treated by the usual means.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware in
> London, England.
>
> A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with severe
> cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
> herpes. Furher examination revealed that he also carried hepatitis. He
> was quizzed about his life and said that he was still a virgin. It
> became clear that he ate in McDonalds Edgware between 3 and 4 times a
> week.
13 Google hits on this, almost all seem to be rumor spread by
e-mail. Only 3 variations so far.
However, I did find this notice of closure:
http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/mcds/harrowobserver24042003.html
Charles
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
R H Draney
>
>The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is now in legal
>proceedings. McDonald's have closed down the branch and probably will
>not open it again. The boy is suing for a significant pay out. He is
>also suing for the mental damage knowing what some McDonald's employee
>did to his food food. There is evidence that this has happened at
>other McDonald's in Europe and North America. Also a similar incident
>was reported at a Burger King in Milwaukee, USA.
So if Milwaukee isn't in Europe or North America, where are they keeping it
these days?...
>The only symptoms seem to be cold sores or other lip infections that
>cannot be treated by the usual means.
Oh, so it was "special" semen...now if we can just figure out what "food food"
is....
R H "Haven't seen you here in a while, Irene! How's the modeling going?" Draney
Radical Moderate
> Irene Malin wrote:
>
>> I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware in
>> London, England.
>>
>> A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with severe
>> cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
>> herpes. Furher examination revealed that he also carried hepatitis. He
>> was quizzed about his life and said that he was still a virgin. It
>> became clear that he ate in McDonalds Edgware between 3 and 4 times a
>> week.
>
>
> 13 Google hits on this, almost all seem to be rumor spread by
> e-mail. Only 3 variations so far.
> However, I did find this notice of closure:
> http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/mcds/harrowobserver24042003.html
>
Well there goes another bit of folklore. Back in my younger days it was
one of those 'factoids' that supposedly no McDonald's ever went out of
business for lack of customers. Seems that one gets an 'F' as well.
Wonder if the BSE scare will close any more.
Celia
"Irene Malin" <irene...@usa.com> wrote in message
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One would have to determine how long the herpes virus and hepatitis can live
outside the body, and after that's established, you'd have to test both to
see how long they can live say whooshed around in food. If it's possible
then the above is possible - I've haven't heard anything.
Jim Cambias
wrote:
> Charles Wm. Dimmick wrote:
> >
> > 13 Google hits on this, almost all seem to be rumor spread by
> > e-mail. Only 3 variations so far.
> > However, I did find this notice of closure:
> > http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/mcds/harrowobserver24042003.html
> >
>
> Well there goes another bit of folklore. Back in my younger days it was
> one of those 'factoids' that supposedly no McDonald's ever went out of
> business for lack of customers. Seems that one gets an 'F' as well.
>
> Wonder if the BSE scare will close any more.
Only if it turns up in kangaroo meat.
Cambias
Irene Malin
> these days?...
The Milwaukee incident was a Burger King which is why I address it
separately. Europe and North America refer to McDonalds.
> R H "Haven't seen you here in a while, Irene! How's the modeling going?" Draney
Going well thanks!
Irene
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:cambias-2812...@diakelly.ppp.mtholyoke.edu:
>> Well there goes another bit of folklore. Back in my younger
>> days it was one of those 'factoids' that supposedly no
>> McDonald's ever went out of business for lack of customers.
>> Seems that one gets an 'F' as well.
>>
>> Wonder if the BSE scare will close any more.
>
> Only if it turns up in kangaroo meat.
>
Nononono - that was earth-worms.
--
Tea"At double the usual rate"Lady / mari conroy
"Stated to me for a fact. I only tell it as I got it. I am
willing to believe it. I can believe anything." Sam Clemens
Spressobean at yahoo has a spam problem. A better address is
culcie at yahoo dot com.
Stoneskin
> I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware in
> London, England.
I heard the same story although this time it was applied to my local
McDonalds - not in London.
I couldn't find a single article in any of the local papers about it.
--
Stoneskin
[Insert sig here]
Eric Hocking
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>
> "Irene Malin" <irene...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:cc40ba38.0312...@posting.google.com...
> | I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware in
> | London, England.
> |
> | A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with severe
> | cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
<snip>
> | The Environmental Health Inspectors who went shut the branch down
> | within three hours as they found semen in the shakes and sauces.
> | The only symptoms seem to be cold sores or other lip infections that
> | cannot be treated by the usual means.
>
> One would have to determine how long the herpes virus and hepatitis can
live
> outside the body, and after that's established, you'd have to test both to
> see how long they can live say whooshed around in food. If it's possible
> then the above is possible - I've haven't heard anything.
Odd, I've been carrying around a "Fact That I'd Been Told (TM)" that you
cannot transfer genital herpes to the mouth while perfoming oral sex. Seems
this "fact" is in error. And no, I was not so excited as to tempt fate at
the time, which is fortunate, since the The American Social Health
Association <http://www.ashastd.org/hrc/educate.html> supplies the
following, "If a person with oral herpes performs oral sex, it is possible
for the partner to get genital herpes.".
The URL quoted above also states that "Herpes is transmitted through direct
skin-to-skin contact. This occurs when a contagious area comes into contact
with a mucous membrane, primarily the mouth and genitals....There are no
documented cases of a person getting genital herpes from an inanimate object
such as a toilet seat, bathtub or towel. Herpes is a very fragile virus and
does not live long on surfaces." I have not idea if these conditions
prohibit the transfer of herpes via semen injestion and if it has been
mentioned earlier in the thread, I must have missed it due to some heavy
edricelike skimming of the posts.
--
Eric Hocking
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
"Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
Sevo Stille
> Odd, I've been carrying around a "Fact That I'd Been Told (TM)" that you
> cannot transfer genital herpes to the mouth while perfoming oral sex. Seems
> this "fact" is in error.
Well, both oral and genital herpes are due to the herpes simplex virus.
Genital herpes usually is type 2, while type 1 is responsible for most
oral infections. They are cross-immunizing, but less so than within one
type, and immunity decreases with the distance from the dormant virus
reservoir. With just about everybody orally immunized against type 1
(through a primary herpetic stomatitis) in early childhood, the risk of
acquiring a clinical type 1 on the genitals is significantly higher than
that for an oral type 2 infection by oral sex - but the biggest risk is
a genital->genital infection with type 2, as the degree of immunity is
fairly negligible in that case.
> following, "If a person with oral herpes performs oral sex, it is possible
> for the partner to get genital herpes.".
Within a loose definition of genital herpes. Strictly speaking they
might get oral (type 1) herpes on the genitals.
Sevo
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:bsunpl$kdd$1...@hercules.btinternet.com:
> The URL quoted above also states that "Herpes is transmitted
> through direct skin-to-skin contact. This occurs when a
> contagious area comes into contact with a mucous membrane,
> primarily the mouth and genitals....There are no documented
> cases of a person getting genital herpes from an inanimate
> object such as a toilet seat, bathtub or towel. Herpes is a
> very fragile virus and does not live long on surfaces." I have
> not idea if these conditions prohibit the transfer of herpes
> via semen injestion and if it has been mentioned earlier in the
> thread, I must have missed it due to some heavy edricelike
> skimming of the posts.
>
Well, unless the ejaculate happened to drip across a really
inflamed and oozing sore, I'd say it would be nigh impossible to
get herpes 1 or 2 from sperm.
Now if those pesky tadpoles were swimming around french kissing
each other, or slurping on nether regions, maybe, just maybe,
they'd get a dose of the old herpes, and thus infect(infest?) the
semen. Not knowing much about the internal socail lives of such,
and preferring that they keep it to themselves (nothing worse at a
dinner party than an old sperm wriggling up from the semen stain
and boring you *to death* with tales of last year's Holiday Party
in Guam), I couldn't say.
--
Tea"Excuse me, but I don't know where your sperm has been, and I
don't much care"Lady / mari conroy
Bob
>One would have to determine how long the herpes virus and hepatitis can live
>outside the body, and after that's established, you'd have to test both to
>see how long they can live say whooshed around in food. If it's possible
>then the above is possible - I've haven't heard anything.
It would be interesting to know what sort of tests they used
to find semen in the shakes and sauces, and why they bothered.
You would think they would be happy just culturing them.
On the other hand, back in the 70's, a friend who worked at a
Fast Food Place used to have a variation on their then-popular
jingle, in which he claimed that "we have a hunch, we'll cum
in your lunch".
David Winsemius
> Celia said:
>
>>One would have to determine how long the herpes virus and hepatitis
>>can live outside the body, and after that's established, you'd have to
>>test both to see how long they can live say whooshed around in food.
>>If it's possible then the above is possible - I've haven't heard
>>anything.
Viruses are generally susceptible to drying, heat, UV light, alcohol, and
detergents. They are likely to be relatively stable in food.
>
> It would be interesting to know what sort of tests they used
> to find semen in the shakes and sauces, and why they bothered.
> You would think they would be happy just culturing them.
>
A forensic screening test for semen is illumination with UV (black light).
Semen flouresces. Of course lots of other stuff also flouresces. And I have
no idea whether it would make any sense in this context. (Whatever sense
one can make, I suppose.)
Not sure what "culturing" refers to, perhaps to the viruses, which are not
usually cultured. Generally viruses are detected with specific antibodies.
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:Xns9462D00F98D...@63.240.76.16:
> Not sure what "culturing" refers to, perhaps to the viruses,
> which are not usually cultured. Generally viruses are detected
> with specific antibodies.
>
Don't they also use really powerful microscopes to look at the
little buggers, when they really want to know which specific one
it is ?
Or is my imagery of some poor CDC scientist peering into the lens
of a really powerful scope and saying "Aha ! A new variant of
HorridIckyWayToDie - that is why it won't respond to
KillTheIckyThing-biotic !" really waaaaay off base ?
--
TeaLady / mari conroy
Rich Grise
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> "Celia" <~~> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Irene Malin" <irene...@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:cc40ba38.0312...@posting.google.com...
> > | I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware in
> > | London, England.
> > |
> > | A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with severe
> > | cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
> > | herpes....
> Odd, I've been carrying around a "Fact That I'd Been Told (TM)" that you
> cannot transfer genital herpes to the mouth while perfoming oral sex.
Seems
> this "fact" is in error.
...
> Eric Hocking
> "A closed mouth gathers no feet"
> "Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
Yes, you can get oral herpes having oral sex, but I seriously
doubt if semen is the vector. Other than direct contact with
an open lesion, you'd have to wipe scrapings of necrotic
infected tissue & serum on your victim's lips. Maybe the
kid was rubbing the rims of the cups against her sores. ;-}
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
reasonably sure that they actually do something pretty much
like that, at least recognizing certain bacteria. I know that
they look through samples of urethreal discharge, and can spot
gonococci routinely. It's not unreasonable at all to suppose
that they'd recognize a deformed gonococcus; they can clearly
tell one species from the other.
But, even with all that pontificating, I have no idea if
anyone's ever done as you suggest, except, of course, for
the first guy that ever saw one. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
"TeaLady (Mari C.)" <spres...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Larry Farrell
Pedantic mode "ON"
While viruses can only be seen by using "really powerful microscopes"
(electron microscopes), that process is of very little use in
determining "which specific one it is." The reason for this is that
there is a fairly limited set of structural forms for viruses and a
given structural form may contain viruses that cause no known problems
in humans and viruses that cause major diseases. While the basic
structure and size of the virus particles can get one into the right
viral ball park, it is not useful for specific identification, which is
done on the basis of interaction with antibodies for a particular virus,
type of nucleic acid in the particles, specific sequence of particular
genes in that nucleic acid (and on and on as new techniques are
developed).
And in response to your second paragraph, there aren't any "-biotics"
for use against viruses. Antibiotics, as the prime example of
"_biotics", are effective only against things that are capable of
replicating on their own (bacteria, fungi, yeasts, etc.). There are
*some* drugs (generally referred to as "antivirals") that have been
developed to interfere in replication of *some* viruses but it is
difficult to find such drugs because the virus is simply using the
functions of the cells it infects to carry out its own replication. As
a result, most of the replicative functions of the virus are identical,
or very close, to the normal functions going in uninfected cells, and
teatments that stop viral replication in the infected cells does a good
job of stopping functions in the uninfected cells. (Hydrogen cyanide
will effectively stop any of the common cold viruses, but the treatment
is much more damaging to the host than is the virus.) Infectious
agents that replicate without strict dependence on host cells usually
have at least some functions that are completely unrelated to functions
in the host's cells and those functions can be targeted for treatment.
Such treatment is unlikely to have major effects on the host.
Pedantic mode "OFF"
--
Larry D. Farrell, Ph.D.
Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University
David Winsemius
> Well, you can't see viruses with an optical microscope, but I'm
> reasonably sure that they actually do something pretty much
> like that, at least recognizing certain bacteria. I know that
> they look through samples of urethreal discharge, and can spot
> gonococci routinely. It's not unreasonable at all to suppose
> that they'd recognize a deformed gonococcus; they can clearly
> tell one species from the other.
With bacteria you can tell the rods from the cocci, and the Gram positives
from the Gram negatives from the acid-fast organisms, but level of
classification is no place close to being species-specific. So, no, they
cannot "clearly tell (bacterial) species from each other" with optical
microscopes.
>
> But, even with all that pontificating, I have no idea if
> anyone's ever done as you suggest, except, of course, for
> the first guy that ever saw one. :-)
Is the term "pontificating" an attempt at self-deprecation? And is that
semi-colon/dash/right-paren thingee meaningful?
>
> Cheers!
> Rich
>
> "TeaLady (Mari C.)" <spres...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9462DE9...@130.133.1.4...
>> Don't they also use really powerful microscopes to look at the
>> little buggers, when they really want to know which specific one
>> it is ?
They try to grow bacteria on various media, and they grow viruses on either
cell cultures or eggs or something with a nucleus that can be taken over by
the virus particles. There are a wide array of antibodies that can be
deployed in myriad ways. Get a clue, this is afu.
>>
>> Or is my imagery of some poor CDC scientist peering into the lens
>> of a really powerful scope and saying "Aha ! A new variant of
>> HorridIckyWayToDie - that is why it won't respond to
>> KillTheIckyThing-biotic !" really waaaaay off base ?
>>
Yeah, it's pretty much off base these days. Antibodies and gene-sequencing
are the new tools of the trade.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Rich Grise wrote in news:N6NIb.8232$R_4...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>But, even with all that pontificating, I have no idea if
>>anyone's ever done as you suggest, except, of course, for
>>the first guy that ever saw one. :-)
>
> Is the term "pontificating" an attempt at self-deprecation? And is that
> semi-colon/dash/right-paren thingee meaningful?
I thought it was supposed to represent two different kinds
of bacteria and a sperm. And the sperm is obviously carrying
the gene for left-handedness.
Charles Wm. "unless it's bending left because he uses
his right hand" Dimmick
Eric Hocking
"Sevo Stille" <sevo...@radiox.de> wrote in message
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Or vice versa, which I read the sentence to imply and which also contradicts
the the "Fact That I'd Been Told (TM)"
Eric Hocking
> "Eric Hocking" <ehocking@LOSE_THIS_BIT.btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:bsunpl$kdd$1...@hercules.btinternet.com:
> > The URL quoted above also states that "Herpes is transmitted
> > through direct skin-to-skin contact. This occurs when a
> > contagious area comes into contact with a mucous membrane,
> > primarily the mouth and genitals....There are no documented
> > cases of a person getting genital herpes from an inanimate
> > object such as a toilet seat, bathtub or towel. Herpes is a
> > very fragile virus and does not live long on surfaces." I have
> > not idea if these conditions prohibit the transfer of herpes
> > via semen injestion and if it has been mentioned earlier in the
> > thread, I must have missed it due to some heavy edricelike
> > skimming of the posts.
>
> Well, unless the ejaculate happened to drip across a really
> inflamed and oozing sore, I'd say it would be nigh impossible to
> get herpes 1 or 2 from sperm.
Basically what I was thinking too, since in the case of "infected" food, the
transfer isn't through direct skin-to-skin contact.
> Now if those pesky tadpoles were swimming around french kissing
> each other, or slurping on nether regions, maybe, just maybe,
> they'd get a dose of the old herpes, and thus infect(infest?) the
> semen. Not knowing much about the internal socail lives of such,
> and preferring that they keep it to themselves (nothing worse at a
> dinner party than an old sperm wriggling up from the semen stain
> and boring you *to death* with tales of last year's Holiday Party
> in Guam), I couldn't say.
Being fortunate enough not to need to know anything more about genital
herpes than to take measures to avoid infection. I couldn't say if the
ulcers caused by genital herpes infect the urethra, infection of which I
would have thought would be necessary for transer of the virus to
(literally) ejeculate. Articles found on Medline (eg
<http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000857.htm> ) imply that
the skin blisters and ulcers associated with an outbreak of herpes seem to
only occur on the epidermis (if I'm using the correct medical term,
otherwise replcace "epidermis" with "external skin surface" to get my
meaning).
> --
> Tea"Excuse me, but I don't know where your sperm has been, and I
> don't much care"Lady / mari conroy
I can't think of any place but a sperm bank (or afu), where a statement like
that could be voiced.
--
Eric "thin skinned" Hocking
Eric Hocking
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> > "Celia" <~~> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Irene Malin" <irene...@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > news:cc40ba38.0312...@posting.google.com...
> > > | I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware
in
> > > | London, England.
> > > |
> > > | A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with
severe
> > > | cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
> > > | herpes....
> > Odd, I've been carrying around a "Fact That I'd Been Told (TM)" that you
> > cannot transfer genital herpes to the mouth while perfoming oral sex.
> Seems
> > this "fact" is in error.
> ...
> > Eric Hocking
> > "A closed mouth gathers no feet"
> > "Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
>
> Yes, you can get oral herpes having oral sex,
I'm presuming a typo here Rich - the erroneous "fact" that was conveyed to
me was that could not get genital herpes [on your mouth] from practicing
oral sex.
>but I seriously
> doubt if semen is the vector. Other than direct contact with
> an open lesion, you'd have to wipe scrapings of necrotic
> infected tissue & serum on your victim's lips. Maybe the
> kid was rubbing the rims of the cups against her sores. ;-}
I wonder if cup size has anything to do with this.
--
Eric "feeling a right tit" Hocking
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
"Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
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> David Winsemius <dwin$emiu$@fnord.comcast.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9462D00F98D...@63.240.76.16:
>
>> Not sure what "culturing" refers to, perhaps to the viruses,
>> which are not usually cultured. Generally viruses are detected
>> with specific antibodies.
>>
>
> Don't they also use really powerful microscopes to look at the
> little buggers, when they really want to know which specific one
> it is ?
I don't know of a virus big enough for an optical microscope
to view, but if you extend the definition of peering into the
many steps required for an electron and/or scanning microscope
then yes they can be viewed.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:QEZIb.23764$I07.56521@attbi_s53:
Yeah, I was really extending things in my statement - but the
visual I get, even knowing the equipment is not as simple as (and
doesn't even resemble) a giant microscope, is of the poor guy
standing over one and... The corrupting influence of badly drawn
mad scientist cartoons, comics and etc. is where this mental image
springs from.
I've seen "pictures" of viruses - the explanations of how the
images were created range from artistic rendering to fancy
something or other technical equipment/lighting/staining/etc. I'm
not educated enough in that sort of thing to wax even non-profound
on it (despite attempts to).
Karen J. Cravens
news:Xns94639FD...@130.133.1.4:
> I've seen "pictures" of viruses - the explanations of how the
> images were created range from artistic rendering to fancy
> something or other technical equipment/lighting/staining/etc. I'm
> not educated enough in that sort of thing to wax even non-profound
> on it (despite attempts to).
I can only add this: http://www.giantmicrobes.com/
--
Karen J. Cravens
Joshua J. Belsky
> I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware in
> London, England.
> A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with severe
> cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
<snip>
I read an article in the Wall Street Journal in late 2000 or early 2001 about
this type of thing happening to police officers. According to the article,
a cop got herpes from a taco this way. A security camera tape of the kitchen
later led to the convicion of the cook. The article also discussed less
severe things that have happened to police officers in fast food
drive-throughs. Perhaps somebody with access to the archives can dig
this up.
--
-Joshua Belsky
jjbe...@yahoo.com
http://belsky.net
Chainsman
shake mix repository was in a large, plastic, square bucket on the floor
underneath the shake machine with a big tube sticking into it. Invariably there
would be a {stoner|burnout|born-again-Xian} who would casually mention that he
flicks ashes into the shake machine.
Glad I have an immune system, but these are ashes, man.
Zonky
$494....@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com:
> Irene Malin wrote:
>> I recently heard about a major health scare at McDonalds at Edgware in
>> London, England.
>>
>> A boy of 15 was referred by his doctor to a local hospital with severe
>> cold sores in and around his mouth to be told that he had contracted
>> herpes. Furher examination revealed that he also carried hepatitis. He
>> was quizzed about his life and said that he was still a virgin. It
>> became clear that he ate in McDonalds Edgware between 3 and 4 times a
>> week.
>
> 13 Google hits on this, almost all seem to be rumor spread by
> e-mail. Only 3 variations so far.
> However, I did find this notice of closure:
> http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/mcds/harrowobserver24042003.html
>
> Charles
>
I'm very suprised by the claim that the branch wasn't busy enough. It would
have been on the middle of a *very* busy High Street near a good size
shopping centre?
iirc, this was the location (indicated by arrow)
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=519414&y=191823&z=1&sv=
519250,191750&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf
Z,
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August Derleth
> I'm very suprised by the claim that the branch wasn't busy enough. It would
> have been on the middle of a *very* busy High Street near a good size
> shopping centre?
>
> iirc, this was the location (indicated by arrow)
>
> http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=519414&y=191823&z=1&sv=
> 519250,191750&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf
Gods, don't you realize how badly that would wrap?
http://tinyurl.com/2hkoh will actually work.
http://tinyurl.com/ isn't just a good idea: it's damned near essential.
Chuk Goodin
>one of those 'factoids' that supposedly no McDonald's ever went out of
>business for lack of customers. Seems that one gets an 'F' as well.
Schlosser in _Fast Food Nation_ repeats that factoid (if such it is) in
the context of a McD's in Quebec which had to shut down because of poor
business (strangely, it had to shut down the day before the unionization
kicked in...). He did have some kind of financial figures to back it up,
and fudged it a little (something like only 5% rather than "none").
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L0nD0t.$t0we11
Which particular organisms, creepy crawlies, bugs, etc.
are you making the wild presumption would survive the
cremation process normally found in creating ashes from
whatever substance is being smoked?
Tim McDaniel
L0nD0t.$t0we11 <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote:
>Roughly 1/6/04 20:02, Chainsman's monkeys randomly typed:
>> would be a {stoner|burnout|born-again-Xian} who would casually
>> mention that he flicks ashes into the shake machine.
>>
>> Glad I have an immune system, but these are ashes, man.
>
> Which particular organisms, creepy crawlies, bugs, etc.
> are you making the wild presumption would survive the
> cremation process normally found in creating ashes from
> whatever substance is being smoked?
The prions that cause BSE apparently could, if present.
<http://w3.aces.uiuc.edu/AnSci/BSE/Prion_general.htm> confirms what
I've seen elsewhere:
Some loss of infectivity occurs at temperatures above 100 C
But 30 to 60 minutes at more than 130 C is needed for
inactivation, although autoclaving at 134 C (Marsh, 1991) to 138 C
for 60 minutes does not result in complete inactivation
Prions remain infective after sterilizing levels of radiation,
formalin exposure, extremes of pH, non-polar organic solvents,
burying for years, passing through 0.1 micron filters (2.2 micron
filters remove bacteria) and cremation at 343 C (Marsh, 1991 ) or
360 C
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james
Zonky <zonky@my_pants.dialup-web.net> wrote:
>I'm very suprised by the claim that the branch wasn't busy enough.
A retail shop I worked in was closed even though it was doing a brisk
business. The problem was that it was consistently selling less at the
end of each quarter, than the same quarter of the previous year.
That was my first exposure to the american corporate concept that
failure to post strictly increasing gains is ruinous. I still don't
quite grasp the logic.
It was also my first experience with being sacked.
James "and also my last sacking" M.
Louise Bremner
> In article <Xns9469552313B36...@216.168.3.44>,
> Zonky <zonky@my_pants.dialup-web.net> wrote:
>
> >I'm very suprised by the claim that the branch wasn't busy enough.
>
> A retail shop I worked in was closed even though it was doing a brisk
> business. The problem was that it was consistently selling less at the
> end of each quarter, than the same quarter of the previous year.
>
> That was my first exposure to the american corporate concept that
> failure to post strictly increasing gains is ruinous. I still don't
> quite grasp the logic.
They didn't consider the possibility that whoever was cooking the books
was getting progressively greedier?
> It was also my first experience with being sacked.
Ouch.
> James "and also my last sacking" M.
Aversion therapy?
________________________________________________________________________
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August Derleth
> james <fish...@conservatory.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <Xns9469552313B36...@216.168.3.44>,
>>Zonky <zonky@my_pants.dialup-web.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm very suprised by the claim that the branch wasn't busy enough.
>>
>>A retail shop I worked in was closed even though it was doing a brisk
>>business. The problem was that it was consistently selling less at the
>>end of each quarter, than the same quarter of the previous year.
>>
>>That was my first exposure to the american corporate concept that
>>failure to post strictly increasing gains is ruinous. I still don't
>>quite grasp the logic.
>
>
> They didn't consider the possibility that whoever was cooking the books
> was getting progressively greedier?
Give James some credit, man!
I'm sure his creative accounting was much less brazen than Enron's.
Leo G Simonetta
<lsimo...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:38:58 +0000 (UTC), tm...@panix.com (Tim
> McDaniel) wrote:
>
> > In article <6WYKb.759409$HS4.5998585@attbi_s01>,
> > L0nD0t.$t0we11 <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote:
> > >Roughly 1/6/04 20:02, Chainsman's monkeys randomly typed:
> > >> Invariably there
> > >> would be a {stoner|burnout|born-again-Xian} who would casually
> > >> mention that he flicks ashes into the shake machine.
> > >>
> > >> Glad I have an immune system, but these are ashes, man.
> > >
> > > Which particular organisms, creepy crawlies, bugs, etc.
> > > are you making the wild presumption would survive the
> > > cremation process normally found in creating ashes from
> > > whatever substance is being smoked?
> >
> > The prions that cause BSE apparently could, if present.
> > <http://w3.aces.uiuc.edu/AnSci/BSE/Prion_general.htm> confirms what
> > I've seen elsewhere:
>
> Cigarettes got prions? Is this a hook I see before me?
>
> > Some loss of infectivity occurs at temperatures above 100 C
> >
> > But 30 to 60 minutes at more than 130 C is needed for
> > inactivation, although autoclaving at 134 C (Marsh, 1991) to 138 C
> > for 60 minutes does not result in complete inactivation
>
> Real cremation is done usually at temperatures around 1400C or
> higher. It takes 1 & 1/2 hours and 3 hours and is followed by a
> cooling off period.
>
> According to http://www.bfrl.nist.gov/pdf/TSG_2_Krasny.pdf
> a USAn tobacco cigarette burns at between 440C (on the surface)
> and 800C (in the center).
>
> > Prions remain infective after sterilizing levels of radiation,
> > formalin exposure, extremes of pH, non-polar organic solvents,
> > burying for years, passing through 0.1 micron filters (2.2 micron
> > filters remove bacteria) and cremation at 343 C (Marsh, 1991 ) or
> > 360 C
>
> But good old chlorine bleach works.
>
> Leo "swinging" Simonetta
Sorry wrong .sig . . . .
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Leo G Simonetta
McDaniel) wrote:
> In article <6WYKb.759409$HS4.5998585@attbi_s01>,
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote:
> >Roughly 1/6/04 20:02, Chainsman's monkeys randomly typed:
> >> Invariably there
> >> would be a {stoner|burnout|born-again-Xian} who would casually
> >> mention that he flicks ashes into the shake machine.
> >>
> >> Glad I have an immune system, but these are ashes, man.
> >
> > Which particular organisms, creepy crawlies, bugs, etc.
> > are you making the wild presumption would survive the
> > cremation process normally found in creating ashes from
> > whatever substance is being smoked?
>
> The prions that cause BSE apparently could, if present.
> <http://w3.aces.uiuc.edu/AnSci/BSE/Prion_general.htm> confirms what
> I've seen elsewhere:
Cigarettes got prions? Is this a hook I see before me?
> Some loss of infectivity occurs at temperatures above 100 C
>
> But 30 to 60 minutes at more than 130 C is needed for
> inactivation, although autoclaving at 134 C (Marsh, 1991) to 138 C
> for 60 minutes does not result in complete inactivation
Real cremation is done usually at temperatures around 1400C or
higher. It takes 1 & 1/2 hours and 3 hours and is followed by a
cooling off period.
According to http://www.bfrl.nist.gov/pdf/TSG_2_Krasny.pdf
a USAn tobacco cigarette burns at between 440C (on the surface)
and 800C (in the center).
> Prions remain infective after sterilizing levels of radiation,
> formalin exposure, extremes of pH, non-polar organic solvents,
> burying for years, passing through 0.1 micron filters (2.2 micron
> filters remove bacteria) and cremation at 343 C (Marsh, 1991 ) or
> 360 C
But good old chlorine bleach works.
Leo "swinging" Simonetta
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L0nD0t.$t0we11
> james <fish...@conservatory.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9469552313B36...@216.168.3.44>,
>> Zonky <zonky@my_pants.dialup-web.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm very suprised by the claim that the branch wasn't busy enough.
>>
>> A retail shop I worked in was closed even though it was doing a brisk
>> business. The problem was that it was consistently selling less at the
>> end of each quarter, than the same quarter of the previous year.
>>
>> That was my first exposure to the american corporate concept that
>> failure to post strictly increasing gains is ruinous. I still don't
>> quite grasp the logic.
>
> They didn't consider the possibility that whoever was cooking the books
> was getting progressively greedier?
Perhaps whoever was cooking the books was slowly acquiring
morals or court summons?
L0nD0t.$t0we11
>
P>> Prions remain infective after sterilizing levels of radiation,
P>> formalin exposure, extremes of pH, non-polar organic solvents,
P>> burying for years, passing through 0.1 micron filters (2.2 micron
P>> filters remove bacteria) and cremation at 343 C (Marsh, 1991 ) or
P>> 360 C
>
> But good old chlorine bleach works.
Hmmm, so anyone got any good recipes for "Beef Clorox"?
Tim McDaniel
>McDaniel) wrote:
>
>> In article <6WYKb.759409$HS4.5998585@attbi_s01>,
>> L0nD0t.$t0we11 <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote:
>> > Which particular organisms, creepy crawlies, bugs, etc.
>> > are you making the wild presumption would survive the
>> > cremation process normally found in creating ashes from
>> > whatever substance is being smoked?
>>
>> The prions that cause BSE apparently could, if present.
>
I wrote "if present". Edging up to the BoP: we do have a recent
example of a smoking product that has been exposed to an unusual
environment notable for the possibility of spreading disease (check
the journal of the US Senate, I suspect, 7 January to 12 February
1999).
In any event, you asked for organisms &c that would survive smoking,
and I knew of an example that was tougher than one might think.
There may be other prions that are similarly tough.
>According to http://www.bfrl.nist.gov/pdf/TSG_2_Krasny.pdf
>a USAn tobacco cigarette burns at between 440C (on the surface)
>and 800C (in the center).
Thanks for the data. But that's brief, so I don't know whether it
would be enough to kill Mad Fag Disease.
Tim "did smoke peen, an all-meat product, but that's Priapus, not
prions" McDaniel
Lee Rudolph
>Real cremation is done usually at temperatures around 1400C or
>higher. It takes 1 & 1/2 hours and 3 hours and is followed by a
>cooling off period.
But after thirty days they're free to strike again.
Lee "Daft-Heartless" Rudolph
Simon Slavin
The same story is told from a different angle in Naomi Klein's
_No Logo_. She links the close-down definitely to unionization.
You know, the 'No Logo' idea is perfectly in tune with the times
and shows some promise in actually changing things. The problem
is that it has no unification, it's just a number of people
thinking and writing alone. What it needs is a simple, easily
recognised image or diagram which can be associated with the
movement and used to represent it.
Simon.
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The same story is told from a different angle in Naomi Klein's
R H Draney
>
>You know, the 'No Logo' idea is perfectly in tune with the times
>and shows some promise in actually changing things. The problem
>is that it has no unification, it's just a number of people
>thinking and writing alone. What it needs is a simple, easily
>recognised image or diagram which can be associated with the
>movement and used to represent it.
"Imagine a boot stamping a human face --- forever."
R H "and the clocks were striking thirteen" Draney
Martha Gallagher
Did anyone try making them watch _Barry Lyndon_?
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"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> astonished us all with:
If they were cooking the books at McDonalds, would it improve
the quality of the food?
ObPartialUL: F. The meat served in McDonalds contains
Joe "Catching up (which is *not* a vegetable)." Shair
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