Alcoholics Drinking Aftershave?
Bloody Viking
This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over a decade
ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to drink aftershave.
How I found out this bizarre item is one time in the military a counsellor
asking me questions about my (intentional) alcohol abuse asked me "Have you
ever drank aftershave?".
No, I never tried it, and don't ever want to. Now to speculate:
While rubbing alcohol is used only once in a great while, aftershave is used
nearly daily, so any denaturant would get in the system transdermally, like
the nicotine in a nicotine patch. In the small amounts used daily, any
denaturant can't be too high a concentration as it would get absorbed in
normal (and correct) use, while it could be in there enough to prevent abuse
by drinking. A reasonably safe denaturant would be a puking agent in a
concentration of a puke-inducing dose after a shot or two. In that case, the
amount absorbed in normal use would be vanishingly small.
An excellent example of a denaturant to allow correct use but prevent abuse by
drinking is Rogaine, which is 30 percent alcohol. The sprayed dose is 1/20'th
of a shot, and at 2 percent, represents 12mg of minoxidil, give or take. But
if an idiot downs the bottle, they get a whopping 720mg, plenty to warrant a
call to 911. (I'm ignoring the price for the example)
A tantalising fact is the Rogaine warning of calling the poison control
centre, but no aftershave carries that warning. That would mean any aftershave
denaturant would have to be safe, but unpleasant, like a puking agent.
You would think that aftershave would have some kind of denaturant, due to the
alcohol taxes. It could be comparatively safe like a puking agent to cut down
on the danger of lawsuits. Puking agents are commonly found in OTC drugs like
Primatene to allow correct use but cause puking when abused, so it would be a
good choice for an aftershave application.
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"Bloody Viking" <nos...@ripco.com> wrote in message
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> This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over a
decade
> ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to drink aftershave.
Working in drug and alcohol rehab for many years, I had heard of this
practice through literature, but only once met someone who admitted to
having done it.
It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
and antifreeze, which all happen from time to time with the very down and
out alcoholic. I don't know any statistics for this, but if my experience
is at all representative, it doesn't occur that often.
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Lon Stowell
Bloody Viking <nos...@ripco.com> wrote:
>
>This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over a decade
>ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to drink aftershave.
Do recall a similar military folklore about the addicted
soldier who became so desperate as to drink Absorbine Jr.
and had a mental breakdown, freakout, etc. depending on teller,
and therefore segued this into the absinthe folklore.
PS. If you are desperate, try food flavorings. Much higher
drinkable alcohol content.
Sidhedevil
nos...@ripco.com (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>
> This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over a
decade
> ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to drink
aftershave.
On a trip to Curacao with the ex some years back, we toured the "plant"
(one beautiful 17th century house and a quonset hut) of the Curacao
Bottling Company, purveyors of the eponymous liqueur.
In the quonset hut, most of the space was given over to a product
called, I believe, "Alcool Pinguino." It was about the color of Scope
mouthwash and had a cute penguin on the label.
I picked a bottle up and attempted to make out the text on the label.
Neither my Dutch nor my Papiamentu is very good, but as far as I could
tell, the product was both an aftershave and a beverage.
I asked the saleslady at the gift shop and she said that it could be
used as either, though the people who drank it were "pas gentil" (French
being our best common language).
We bought a bottle, but alas it is no longer in my keeping, so I cannot
append the text for those more linguistically gifted than I.
When I told the story to my father, he asserted that the famous Bay Rum
aftershave was derived from a formula used in the 17th century in
Jamaica as both an embrocation and a drink. I have no information to
support or refute that claim, though.
Sidhedevil "many other good reasons to go to Curacao, though" the
She-Devil
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Before you buy.
James Lane
The Austalian film "Sunday, Too Far Away", concerning a group of shearers,
features a cook who gets drunk on vanilla essence.
James "echh" Lane
Alec Horgan
> > PS. If you are desperate, try food flavorings. Much higher
> > drinkable alcohol content.
>
> The Austalian film "Sunday, Too Far Away", concerning a group of shearers,
> features a cook who gets drunk on vanilla essence.
Tom Hanks played an alcoholic who had to
resort to vanilla extract in an episode
of USAn sitcom "Family Ties."
As for aftershave, why bother? Mouthwash
is just as readily available, and far more
palatable.
Alec
Tom Cikoski
>"Bloody Viking" <nos...@ripco.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over a
>decade
>> ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to drink aftershave.
>Working in drug and alcohol rehab for many years, I had heard of this
>practice through literature, but only once met someone who admitted to
>having done it.
>It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
>and antifreeze, which all happen from time to time with the very down and
>out alcoholic. I don't know any statistics for this, but if my experience
>is at all representative, it doesn't occur that often.
Some sort of news TV tabloid reported that the largest market
segment for deep discount hairspray is the urban street
alcoholic who can no longer afford Thunderbird & ilk.
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Randy Poe
wrote:
Just saw a Learning Channel interview with Stephen King, in which he
confesses to years of drug and alcohol abuse. He was a self-described
"garbage-head" willing to put anything into his system. The list of
substances he consumed for the alcohol content was pretty startling.
A Russian friend told me some hair raising tales of alcohol
consumption in her town. I'm pretty sure she mentioned shoe polish. I
suppose that would be the liquid stuff, but I didn't know it has an
alcohol content. She was telling me this stuff as background to a
story about some sort of precision machinery installed at the local
military base that was malfunctioning because, unknown to the German
engineers, the alcohol inlet was being diverted into bottles.
I'm guessing that the alcohol used in machinery would probably be
methanol (wood alcohol) which is highly toxic.
- Randy
Mitcho
> It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
> and antifreeze, which all happen from time to time with the very down and
> out alcoholic.
^^^^^^^^^
An imaginative but amusing mispledding of "Russian conscript" shirley?
Mitcho
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Gerald Belton
Oklahoma" <fugliduck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
>and antifreeze, which all happen from time to time with the very down and
>out alcoholic. I don't know any statistics for this, but if my experience
>is at all representative, it doesn't occur that often.
A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
Gerald "chocolate is my drug of choice" Belton
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Margaret Lillard
>A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
>more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
More readily available? Easier to steal or find, half-full, in the
garbage? Obtainable in dry counties (TWIAVBP: areas where sale of liquor
is barred by local ordinance)?
MAL
who abhors any use of aftershave
HWM
> >It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
> >and antifreeze, which all happen from time to time with the very down and
> >out alcoholic. I don't know any statistics for this, but if my experience
> >is at all representative, it doesn't occur that often.
>
> A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
> more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
I don't think the winos exactly *pay* for their aftershaves... Depending
on the stuff it may be shelved so that it is more pilferable than say
beer. In the days of yore as a rentacop I once apprehended a wino in a
store. He had nicked a bottle of aftershave, and bungled it a bit as he
had reached to get a certain brand. I asked him why he passed the green
stuff that had been on display and he stated something like: "That stuff
has a weird sidetaste." Go figure.
Anyhow, hard liquor in Finland used to be pretty hard to come by as well
as expensive, so a lot of 'substitute alcohols' were used by the
hardcore skidrow types. Toluene for one was in vogue in the mid-90's,
usually sniffed though. The older gentlemen resorted to windshield wiper
fluid, only now that they allowed the use of methanol in it there has
been reported a number of poisonings. The russian tourist buses bring in
a substantial amount of booze these days, so it seems the winos are not
that much into substitute products. Then again the quality of the 'red
square market' vodka is dubious.
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David Scheidt
Buy or steal it on Sunday. I saw a TeeVee news program (60 minutes or its
ilk) a few years ago about winos who were resorting to undrinkable things
because they couldn't get booze on Sunday, and couldn't plan a day in
advance.
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Sidhedevil <sidhe...@my-deja.com> wrote:
<snip>
> On a trip to Curacao with the ex some years back, we toured the
"plant"
> (one beautiful 17th century house and a quonset hut) of the Curacao
> Bottling Company, purveyors of the eponymous liqueur.
>
> In the quonset hut, most of the space was given over to a product
> called, I believe, "Alcool Pinguino." It was about the color of Scope
> mouthwash and had a cute penguin on the label.
>
> I picked a bottle up and attempted to make out the text on the label.
> Neither my Dutch nor my Papiamentu is very good, but as far as I could
> tell, the product was both an aftershave and a beverage.
>
> I asked the saleslady at the gift shop and she said that it could be
> used as either, though the people who drank it were "pas gentil"
(French
> being our best common language).
>
> We bought a bottle, but alas it is no longer in my keeping, so I
cannot
> append the text for those more linguistically gifted than I.
>
> When I told the story to my father, he asserted that the famous Bay
Rum
> aftershave was derived from a formula used in the 17th century in
> Jamaica as both an embrocation and a drink. I have no information to
> support or refute that claim, though.
<snip>
I'm not sure if it actually originated as a potable, but one site
alleges that bay rum was not unknown as a fallback during Prohibition.
From http://www.rabbitbrush.com/hickson/lemon.html:
"With good old American spirit (no pun intended) local lushes kept
looking for new sources. Next in the news was Bay Rum, a mixture of
oils, bayberry juice, and alcohol intended to make one's face smell
good. No one else but truly dedicated drunks could have turned that
into a cocktail. On Saturday nights, drug stores, dime stores, and
department stores put out whole counters of Bay Rum until they, too,
were forced to stop by law enforcement officials."
Alan "well, better that than Old Spice" Follett
Drew Lawson
"Medieval Knievel, Archduke of Oklahoma" <fugliduck...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Working in drug and alcohol rehab for many years, I had heard of this
>practice through literature, but only once met someone who admitted to
>having done it.
>
>It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
I was only familiar with sterno from "The Andromeda Strain," where
the grizzled old wino is referred to as a "sterno drinker." Until
now, I wasn't sure whether the reference was literal or if maybe
"sterno" was a term for cheap booze. Ick.
A couple weeks ago I picked up a couple cans of Sterno for use in
a fondu setup. While I understand their intent, I was mildly amused
that the lable says that it shouldn't be used near an open flame.
Drew "damn, but the cheese is taking a long time to melt" Lawson
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> "Medieval Knievel, Archduke of Oklahoma" <fugliduck...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>Working in drug and alcohol rehab for many years, I had heard of this
>>practice through literature, but only once met someone who admitted to
>>having done it.
>>
>>It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
>
>I was only familiar with sterno from "The Andromeda Strain," where
>the grizzled old wino is referred to as a "sterno drinker." Until
>now, I wasn't sure whether the reference was literal or if maybe
>"sterno" was a term for cheap booze. Ick.
I once had a room-mate who felt that he owed something to the homeless.
He last incantation polished off my liquor cabinet and then drank his mouth-wash.
several times.
spo...@best.com
> A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
> more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
Because it's there. Understand that these lads don't buy it themselves;
they raid the cupboards of whoever's home they happen to be in.
I knew a fellow who said he used to do this back in his drinking daze.
Never saw him do it myself, you understand (I'm not fool enough to be
around alcoholics while they're drinking), but he did swear there was a
time in his life that my bottles of $80 cologne would have been downed
like cheap wine if I had foolishly turned my back on him for a moment.
Barbara "oscar de la low-renta" Mikkelson
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Karen J. Cravens
<8tpcho$5bd$1...@badtz-maru.databasix.com>:
>A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
>more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
You can't buy alcohol with food stamps?
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Tom Sevart
"Randy Poe" <ran...@visionplace.com> wrote in message
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> A Russian friend told me some hair raising tales of alcohol
> consumption in her town. I'm pretty sure she mentioned shoe polish. I
> suppose that would be the liquid stuff, but I didn't know it has an
> alcohol content. She was telling me this stuff as background to a
> story about some sort of precision machinery installed at the local
> military base that was malfunctioning because, unknown to the German
> engineers, the alcohol inlet was being diverted into bottles.
I remember reading in the fine publication "Soldier of Fortune" back in the
80's where, since Russian military authorities had an official ban on
alcohol in the military, soldiers resorted to drinking rocket fuel, which
consisted of some sort of alcohol.
However, I really can't in good conciousness quote "Soldier of Fortune"
magazine as a credible cite.
Tom "Hey, I was young and curious" Sevart
Marc M Reeve
in the 1970s, there was a frequent problem with malfunctioning radars
on the jets as the conscripts would drain off and consume the antifreeze.
Of course, this being the Soviet Union, the antifreeze actually *was*
ethanol, so this wasn't as bad as it sounds. Much like the "torpedo
juice" that was a favorite of USAn submariners during WWII.
Marc "my uncle got bombed at Nagasaki. and Hiroshima. and Yokosuka..." Reeve
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Tom Sevart
"David Scheidt" <dsch...@enteract.com> wrote in message
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>
> Buy or steal it on Sunday. I saw a TeeVee news program (60 minutes or its
> ilk) a few years ago about winos who were resorting to undrinkable things
> because they couldn't get booze on Sunday, and couldn't plan a day in
> advance.
In Kansas, we have a "blue law" which state that no alcohol will be sold on
Sunday, but I have yet to hear of anyone desperate enough to resort to
alcohol sources other than those intended to be abused.
In my opinion, if you can't wait one day and have to resort to drinking
aftershave, you're in serious need of help. On the other hand, the ban on
alcohol sales on Sunday is a big pain in the posterior.
Tom "From Kansas, or as I like to call it: N*zi Germany" Sevart
Chris Wooff
A Russian acquaintance of mine told me a story at a cocktail party. He
claimed that a friend of his family was a well-known poet and notorious
alcoholic. The story was that he visited France and at a banquet in his
honour, he was presented with some expensive perfume as a gift; he then
proceeded to drink it in front of the astonished onlookers.
Chris Wooff
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Medieval Knievel, Archduke of Oklahoma
"Gerald Belton" <gerald...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
> more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
Blue laws that prohibit sales of alcoholic beverages on certain days and
between certain hours. Also not having any cash on hand. After reading some
other posts in this thread, I also remember an incident in a adolescent
treatment facility where I worked where a couple of kids made a drink of
Rave hairspray and orange juice, so lack of access to "real" alcohol is
probably the salient factor here.
R H Draney
>
> I was only familiar with sterno from "The Andromeda Strain," where
> the grizzled old wino is referred to as a "sterno drinker." Until
> now, I wasn't sure whether the reference was literal or if maybe
> "sterno" was a term for cheap booze. Ick.
Should've read the book instead of relying entirely on the movie...the
old wino is quite forthcoming about how he drinks "squeeze"...the
scientists are puzzled until he explains the procedure for filtering it
through a handkerchief and one of them suddenly realizes he's talking
about Sterno...as he finishes the tutorial he asks if it will hurt him,
and they tell him that it "could make you go blind"...I think Crichton
capitalized it in print, so you'd've had your evidence that it was a
brand name....r
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Lon Stowell
The folkloric version of my misspent youth [1950's or today,
take your pick] was that you filtered Sterno through bread
to remove the toxic elements [unspecified of course, as was
whether or not wheat, white, rye, or pumpernickel].
Karen J. Cravens
<8tq54h$o41rr$1...@ID-52518.news.dfncis.de>:
>In Kansas, we have a "blue law" which state that no alcohol will be sold
>on Sunday, but I have yet to hear of anyone desperate enough to resort
>to alcohol sources other than those intended to be abused.
Not when you can drive to Oklahoma in an hour or so, no...
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Karen "and get married, too" Cravens
Jesse F. Hughes
> In my opinion, if you can't wait one day and have to resort to drinking
> aftershave, you're in serious need of help.
Careful, now. You're not a substance abuse expert, are you? I'd hate
for people to believe that this is an educated opinion if you're not
qualified.
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Jesse Hughes
"If you really think there's a bug you should report a bug. Maybe
you're not using it properly... It turns out Luddites don't know how
to use software properly, so you should look into that." -- Bill Gates
Lee Rudolph
> The folkloric version of my misspent youth [1950's or today,
> take your pick] was that you filtered Sterno through bread
> to remove the toxic elements
This was also the folkloric version transmitted to me in the
1950s by my father, who however attributed it to his time in
the Marines, circa 1929.
Lee Rudolph
Joseph Nebus
>I remember reading in the fine publication "Soldier of Fortune" back in the
>80's where, since Russian military authorities had an official ban on
>alcohol in the military, soldiers resorted to drinking rocket fuel, which
>consisted of some sort of alcohol.
I recall similar stories about the German or Soviet space
programs; the plausible element to this is of course that the V-2
rocket and its immediate derivatives (the Soviet R-1, R-2, R-3A and
R-5, and the USAdian Redstone) did indeed run on alcohol and liquid
oxygen. Mark Wade's site indicates denatured alcohol was used on
production engines, but doesn't indicate whether this deterred anyone
(or whether there was anyone to deter):
http://www.friends-partners.org/~mwade/props/loxcohol.htm
Joseph Nebus
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Drew Lawson
silve...@phoenyx.net (Karen J. Cravens) writes:
>gerald...@hotmail.com (Gerald Belton) wrote in
><8tpcho$5bd$1...@badtz-maru.databasix.com>:
>
>>A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
>>more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
>
>You can't buy alcohol with food stamps?
As best as I understand the program, you can't buy aftershave with
food stamps either.
Drew "generally used for food" Lawson
TheCentral...@abcnopamdef.pobox.com
>A bottle of Night Train is cheaper than any aftershave, and contains
>more alcohol. So why would anyone drink aftershave?
Probably because it was someone's else's aftershave. I had a room-mate once
who thought he owed something to the homeless. Every time I'd go on a business
trip I'd return to find our garage rented out. The last bum was a alcoholic
speed freak who drank the room-mate's aftershave on several occasions.
And I thought drinking cooking sherry was bad.
Bill Hileman
news:slrn9036df.db9.The...@C298344-A.arvada1.co.home.com...
When I was in USAF boot camp, some of the alcoholics were so desperate, they
bought Nyquil and drank that.
Charles Frederick Goodin
Alec Horgan <aho...@memphis.edu> wrote:
>ji...@triode.net.au (James Lane) writes:
>
>> > PS. If you are desperate, try food flavorings. Much higher
>> > drinkable alcohol content.
>>
>> The Austalian film "Sunday, Too Far Away", concerning a group of shearers,
>> features a cook who gets drunk on vanilla essence.
>
>resort to vanilla extract in an episode
>of USAn sitcom "Family Ties."
"Are you too good to sit down and share a jar of maraschino cherries with
your uncle?!?"
That was a good one.
--
chuk
Karen J. Cravens
>As best as I understand the program, you can't buy aftershave with
>food stamps either.
>Drew "generally used for food" Lawson
Generally, but not always; I've seen the little tag that tactfully
indicates "this item can be bought with a <acronym-of-the-week> card." It
covers certain necessities like toothpaste and soap, too. But I'd think
you'd still be right about aftershave; it's not quite a necessity. (Nor
even always a useful luxury; my husband wears a full beard and my mother,
after about ten years, has finally figured out not to give him
aftershave...)
--
Karen "neither of us cares for perfumey stuff anyway" Cravens
Karen J. Cravens
<3a01...@news-out.newsnerds.com>:
>When I was in USAF boot camp, some of the alcoholics were so desperate,
>they bought Nyquil and drank that.
Ooh yeah. The sniffling, sneezing, stuffy-head fever, what am I doing on
the floor? medicine. The only form of alcohol I *really* missed when I was
pregnant.
--
Karen "not that I could have kept it down" Cravens
Simon Slavin
"Medieval Knievel, Archduke of Oklahoma" <fugliducklingNOSPAM@h wrote:
>It's similar to other practices such as drinking rubbing alcohol, sterno,
>and antifreeze
Shoe Polish. See _A day in the live of Ivan Denisovich_ by
... erm ... some Russian guy whose name I've temporarily
mislaid. Also wrote _Cancer Ward_.
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
Viking) wrote:
> This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over a
> decade ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to drink
> aftershave.
when I lived in rural Manitoba in the seventies/early eighties, there
was such a problem with substance abuse that laws there put strict
controls on both vanilla extract and Lysol spray. Stores were prohibited
from displaying Lysol on shelves, you had to request at the counter for
it - it was not unusual for me to find Lysol cans around certain areas
in Brandon with the bottoms punctured. Vanilla extract could only be had
from the provincial government-run liquor stores ( I remember well one
day my having to go to one of the liquor stores to buy extract for a
cake I was making, ironically the same store brand as the Safeway next
to it).
there was a similar controversy a few years ago in Toronto with
stomach bitters, an over-the-counter nausea remedy with a high alcohol
content that could be had cheaply at convenience stores around the city.
They were finally banned after a number of homeless wound up dying from
exposure one winter after passing out from drinking the bitters.
of course it' s well known that at the turn of the century many
patent medicines contained a high alcohol content.
ironically enough, "The Legend Of Drunken Master" (AKA "Drunken
Master II") is in general release at theatres right now. The climax of
this early Jackie Chan movie involves him drinking industrial alcohol in
order to beat the bad guys - unfortunately, it also winds up destroying
him in the process.
Dan "an adult child of an alcoholic" Dreibelbis
R H Draney
>
> dr...@furrfu.com (Drew Lawson) wrote in <8ts52p$15sb$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>:
>
> >As best as I understand the program, you can't buy aftershave with
> >food stamps either.
> >Drew "generally used for food" Lawson
>
> Generally, but not always; I've seen the little tag that tactfully
> indicates "this item can be bought with a <acronym-of-the-week> card." It
> covers certain necessities like toothpaste and soap, too.
I'd like to know where <acronym-of-the-week> does its pricing...I
remember seeing, on their list of what could be done with certain small
contributions, something like "$2 a day will get a homeless man a shave,
so he can go apply for jobs"....
I know a place, part of a chain, within a mile of my home, where I can
buy a *ten*-pack of disposable razors, each of which is capable of
scraping my face smooth at least three times before I have to replace
it, for 79ข....
R H "come with me to the dollar store and I'll teach you a thing or two"
Draney
Supermouse
<ran...@visionplace.com> writes
>
>A Russian friend told me some hair raising tales of alcohol
>consumption in her town. I'm pretty sure she mentioned shoe polish.
The book _Of Whales and Men_ contains a detailed description of the
manufacture of drinkable alcohol from shoe polish on a dry whaling
island.
If anyone is at all interested I can dig it out for a more detailed
cite.
I do not endorse whaling.
Cordially,
--
Supermouse
HWM
> If anyone is at all interested I can dig it out for a more detailed
> cite.
>
> I do not endorse whaling.
Please, if you could endorse the shoe-polish extraction bit, many seem
to know of it but there has not been too many cites how exactly this
stuff can be consumed.
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Thomas Prufer
wrote:
> The folkloric version of my misspent youth [1950's or today,
> take your pick] was that you filtered Sterno through bread
> to remove the toxic elements [unspecified of course, as was
> whether or not wheat, white, rye, or pumpernickel].
I was told by my neighbor that there were soldiers in Korea that drank
Mennen aftershave. They'd place a slice (slices?) of white bread on a
glass and slowly pour it through to get the green stuff out.
The telling was in the 70's in the East Coast US, and I was well
before my shaving years then, so this has been filtered through my
memory. (Is Mennen aftershave even green?)
And from a similar time and less clearly remembered, the drink called
a "Pink Lady": Sterno mixed with orange juice concentrate. (Sterno is
alcohol, and a shot of sodium acetate dissolved in water, as I recall,
and perhaps an agent o to make the stuff unpalatable?)
I also recall Kerro being accused of being a kerosene drinker because
of his name, as a commn one for those who had progressed beyond
methylated spirits. No idea whether this has any basis in usage -- I'd
rather hope not. This was right here in afu, back when.
Thomas "data points R us" Prufer
HWM
Thomas Prufer <pru...@i-dial.de> wrote:
> The telling was in the 70's in the East Coast US, and I was well
> before my shaving years then, so this has been filtered through my
> memory. (Is Mennen aftershave even green?)
The wino in my story that claimed a "peculiar sidetaste", was IIRC
referring to green 'Mennen'. It is green most definitely, my dad used
it and there was a bottle of that and 'Vademecum' mouthwash in the
bathroom cupboard when I grew up. Needless to say, an 'old man' smell
for me is for some odd reason Mennen cologne and Vademecum mouthwash...
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Before you buy.
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented Bloody Viking
broadcast on alt.folklore.urban:
BV> This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over
BV> a decade ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to
BV> drink aftershave.
Could be. Have you asked Dubya?
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I am from Belgium, and believe me, it is an UL --Giedo Custers
Casady
Solzenitzin, Alexander, I believe, give or take the spelling. I read
Ivan D. The book said that the favored method of killing informers
was a pencil in the eye. Roger Hall, in 'They're Stepping On My
Cloak and Dagger' mentioned ten way to kill with a pencil, and
G. Gordon Liddy mentioned 18 in 'Will', his autobiography, but only
A.S. has actually mentioned any details. One of the regulars at
AFU has mentioned the subject, said that the German drafting
pencils, 6 or 7 H were good.
I have actually observed someone drinking Aqua Velva brand after
shave, a tipple mentioned in literature, WWII type, possible 'From
Here to Eternity' by James Jones. THis was at Wentworth Military
Academy, in 65. The aftershave could be put on a charge account
paid by the parents, while possession of any alcoholic beverage
called for immediate expulsion. Everyone was too young to buy the
stuff, of course, the school had grades 9-14, and Missouri was
age 21 for beer and all, although Kansas had 3.2 beer at 18. Nobody
got caught drinking the year I was there, although there was an
expulsion for stealing, an inch or so of magnesium ribbon from the
chem lab. Lit it during study hour, dropped it out the window. Guy
was in the room next door, one of my very few buddies, forget his
name. I had a roommate at Iowa State a few years later, his name
went away for fifteen years or so, came back last week. Canadian
architect, from, originally, Edmonton, got me kicked out of the
dorm, lit a stolen firecracker, mine, and dropped it out the window.
Some guy found more of them in my desk. I got back from the bar,
probably, and found out that my ass was grass, and had already
been mown, dried, bailed, sold... Possession was a good as use
under the rules. He didn't admit to drinking aftershave, and we were
both of legal age at the time, but he mentioned seeing it done.
Someone posted of getting into the nyquil in USAF boot camp:
rather that they witnessed it. I my day it would have been very
difficult. Few had the nerve to try to sneak a cig in the latrine
in the middle of the night, and smoking was permitted, when it
was, while alcohol was forbidden at all times, no matter what your
age. I don't say things are more lax today, not in general, at
least.
Casady
>
Rambler III
Trainees or cadre? In either case I don't believe you if you're younger than I
am.
--
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“There are the learned and the knowing. Memory makes the one, philosophy the
other,” said the Abbe ... “Well, then” Dantes replied, “what will you teach me
first? I am eager to begin; I thirst for knowledge.”
p146 The Count of Monte Cristo, Alexandre Dumas, Everman’s Library 393 1951
Rambler III
> In our last episode, <8tnq4p$3e$1...@gail.ripco.com>,
> the lovely and talented Bloody Viking
> broadcast on alt.folklore.urban:
>
> BV> This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over
> BV> a decade ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to
> BV> drink aftershave.
>
> Could be. Have you asked Dubya?
Whatever. Its better than the humidor Bill uses. And who is to say what he eats
or drinks?
Rambler III
> [s]
>
> A Russian acquaintance of mine told me a story at a cocktail party. He
> claimed that a friend of his family was a well-known poet and notorious
> alcoholic. The story was that he visited France and at a banquet in his
> honour, he was presented with some expensive perfume as a gift; he then
> proceeded to drink it in front of the astonished onlookers.
>
Question: Does expensive perfume contain alcohol?
Comments:
While in the military, I had a roommate who drank mouthwash. To my recollection
Listerine was about 15% alcohol - 30 proof. How he managed to swallow that
foul-tasting stuff I'll never know.
"Haditcol"[sp], a popular patent medicine of the '50s, was probably 100 proof or
about 50% alcohol.
Cooks and bakers of the "old" army supposedly drank vanilla extract causing it
to be locked-up by prudent Mess Sergeants. Its excessive purchase could ruin the
budget for rations.
Tom Sevart
"Daniel L. Dreibelbis" <dre...@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:dreibel-C829FA...@bigmomma.idirect.com...
>
> when I lived in rural Manitoba in the seventies/early eighties, there
> was such a problem with substance abuse that laws there put strict
> controls on both vanilla extract and Lysol spray. Stores were prohibited
> from displaying Lysol on shelves, you had to request at the counter for
> it
Here in the midwest, stores such as Walmart and K-mart are doing the same
thing with lithium batteries and products which include ephedrine. People
have been buying these items in bulk in order to make methamphetamine.
There are limits on how much Sudafed one person can buy at a time, and the
meth makers have been shoplifting the lithium batteries like crazy.
Tom "Wonder if the professer had a meth lab on Gilligan's island?" Sevart
Thomas Prufer
>I have actually observed someone drinking Aqua Velva brand after
>shave, a tipple mentioned in literature, WWII type, possible 'From
>Here to Eternity' by James Jones.
Oh, reminds me of a story a Carmelite monk[1] told me: They had a
guest staying at the monastery who went a bit too easy on the showers
and deodorant, and was foreign enough to have a very poor command of
English. Their Latin was fine -- not uncommon for a guest in a
monastery, perhaps. Someone had put a bottle of "Aqua Velva
Aftershave" in front of the guest's room as a gentle hint. Fellow
translated it as "smooth water whatever", assumed it was a gift of a
beverage and proceeded to drink it. Duly thanked his unknown donor and
praised its quality, too.
Thomas "unwashed but polite" Prufer
[1] "hey, this is a Carmelite monk you're talking about", even though
my spell checker suggest he's "Caramelize".
Supermouse
>Please, if you could endorse the shoe-polish extraction bit, many seem
>to know of it but there has not been too many cites how exactly this
>stuff can be consumed.
You realise that this means actually going upstairs and finding the
book?
Okay, the book is _Of Whales and Men_ by R. B. Robertson, copyrighted
1956 and I think first published by Macmillan (mine is a book club
edition).
The author is writing in 1951 about the small island of South Georgia,
which was at the time a whaling station.
He explains that South Georgia was not dry by law, but that the whaling
companies would not carry any alcohol to the island - thus thirsty
whalers who could be there for eighteen months or more were forced to
come up with other ways of toping:
"The only home-distilled product that I could not stomach... was a
black liqueur that, I afterwards ascertained, was manufactured by
heating a tin of boot-polish (the brand is a whaleman's secret, and it
is imported to South Georgia in vast quantities, though it is unlikely
that any pair of shoes has ever been cleaned on the island).
When melted, the boot polish is strained through a loaf of bread, after
which, to get the best results, it should be fermented for three days,
then bottled and placed in the cellar for four months: but in an
emergency it may be collected and drunk as soon as it has dripped
through the bread."
So, for a would-be shoe-polish drinker, the recipe is still no good as
it doesn't mention the brand needed.
Cordially,
--
Supermouse
HWM
> So, for a would-be shoe-polish drinker, the recipe is still no good as
> it doesn't mention the brand needed.
No, but interestingly it gives the age old "through a breadloaf"
distilling recipie.
(nevertheless, I drank several black drinks today, ammonia acid called
'salmiak' here...)
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Joe Boswell
>Supermouse wrote:
>
>> So, for a would-be shoe-polish drinker, the recipe is still no good as
>> it doesn't mention the brand needed.
>
>No, but interestingly it gives the age old "through a breadloaf"
>distilling recipie.
...demonstrating ignorance of the differences between fermenting,
distilling and filtering.
--
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Simon Slavin
R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I'd like to know where <acronym-of-the-week> does its pricing...I
>remember seeing, on their list of what could be done with certain small
>contributions, something like "$2 a day will get a homeless man a shave,
>so he can go apply for jobs"....
>
>I know a place, part of a chain, within a mile of my home, where I can
>buy a *ten*-pack of disposable razors, each of which is capable of
>scraping my face smooth at least three times before I have to replace
>it, for 79ข....
So you're standing on the street with your ten-pack of disposable
razors in your hand. You have no hot water, no soap, and no
mirror. It's cold out there and your hands are shaking but you
have to hold them still enough to shave without cutting yourself.
If you take off your coat and hat for long-enough to shave some-
one will steal them. You can't close your eyes as you scrape
because you'll get mugged. How good a shave will you get ?
Ed Ellers
"Not when you can drive to Oklahoma in an hour or so, no..."
Dunno about Kansas, but bringing alcoholic beverages in from across the
state line is a crime in some states, such as (last time I heard) Kentucky.
Ed Ellers
"Here in the midwest, stores such as Walmart and K-mart are doing the same
thing with lithium batteries and products which include ephedrine. People
have been buying these items in bulk in order to make methamphetamine. There
are limits on how much Sudafed one person can buy at a time, and the meth
makers have been shoplifting the lithium batteries like crazy."
That's one recipe that probably wasn't on MacGyver!
Getting back to alcohol, Vince Staten (who worked in his father's hardware
store for some years) mentioned another improvised beverage in his 1996 book
"Did Monkeys Invent The Monkey Wrench?" Staten says that some derelicts
have been known to drink a shellac thinner called Solox -- he was told (by
an apparently satisfied customer) that they often diluted it with orange
soda or hair tonic. This led many hardware outlets (or at least the two
Staten mentioned) to keep this product in the back of the store and sell it
only to known customers with a legitimate use.
(I also seem to recall a joke on The Young Ones where one of the boys
claimed that another couldn't mix his drinks, leading a third to say, "What,
paint stripper and bleach?")
Thomas Prufer
wrote:
> Staten says that some derelicts
>have been known to drink a shellac thinner called Solox -- he was told (by
>an apparently satisfied customer) that they often diluted it with orange
>soda or hair tonic.
Shellac is thinned with water-free alcohol, either methyl or ethyl.
And any nasty taste is likely the denaturant put there for the express
purpose of preventing people from drinking the stuff, so if you can
get used to the taste of the deanturant, there may even be ethyl
alcohol in that bottle.
An old cabinetmaker I know (and a notorious vector) tells me that the
cabinetmakers of yore would take an occaisonal swig from the shellac
thinner bottle. The stuff is called "Polierspiritus" in German, i.e.
"polishing spirits", as in French polish.
Thomas Prufer
Tom Sevart
"Ed Ellers" <ed_e...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8u3647$htds$1...@ID-39509.news.dfncis.de...
It's not illegal at all here. Many people run over to Missouri to buy
alcohol on Sundays.
Tom "Just 4 miles from the state line" Sevart
Karen J. Cravens
<8u3647$htds$1...@ID-39509.news.dfncis.de>:
>Karen J. Cravens <silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote:
>Dunno about Kansas, but bringing alcoholic beverages in from across the
>state line is a crime in some states, such as (last time I heard)
>Kentucky.
Only if the container is open and accessible to the driver, or if you bring
it back in your bloodstream, or whatever.
Far as I know, anyway. It could be that the laws are on the books, but
never enforced.
--
Karen "border patrol" Cravens
McCaffertA
Cravens) writes:
>>Dunno about Kansas, but bringing alcoholic beverages in from across the
>>state line is a crime in some states, such as (last time I heard)
>>Kentucky.
>
>Only if the container is open and accessible to the driver, or if you bring
>it back in your bloodstream, or whatever.
>
>Far as I know, anyway. It could be that the laws are on the books, but
>never enforced.
Massachusetts and New Hampshire periodically get in a "border war" over
this; since MA's taxes are based, in theory, on point of consumption rather
than point of sale, and there are -large- NH state liquor stores which
obviously depend on high-volume Bay Stater traffic. During the last serious
outbreak, Mass Staties were parking in New Hampshire liquor store parking lots,
watching for people with full trunks.
Ed Ellers
"During the last serious outbreak, Mass Staties were parking in New
Hampshire liquor store parking lots, watching for people with full trunks."
Indiana allows anyone to buy many types of otherwise banned fireworks if
they promise to take them out of the state, so there are a number of stores
across the river from Louisville specializing in these items (since the same
types can't be bought *or* used in Kentucky), and the Louisville fire
marshal has been known to step up surveillance on those stores near the end
of June for the same reason (though it seems unlikely that most people would
fill their trunks with the stuff).
Vic K.
Same thing in Pennsylvania. To buy You have to present out-of-state
ID and sign an affidavit you will not use them in-state.
Vic "it's illegal only if you get caught" K.
Lizz Holmans
<mccaf...@aol.comment> writes
>
> Massachusetts and New Hampshire periodically get in a "border war" over
>this; since MA's taxes are based, in theory, on point of consumption rather
>than point of sale, and there are -large- NH state liquor stores which
>outbreak, Mass Staties were parking in New Hampshire liquor store parking lots,
>watching for people with full trunks.
'Way back in the Olden Dayes (pre-1959) Oklahoma was a completely dry
state. No liquor sold, nohow, nowhere. I know more than one family that
made quite a bundle working as bootleggers between Tulsa and Joplin,
Missouri.
The very day state-controlled (although to my knowledge privatedly-
owned) liquor stores became legal, my favorite ice cream place suddenly
changed its production. And I was no longer allowed to go in there.
Lizz 'Still prefer chocolate malt to single malt' Holmans
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Lee Rudolph
>So you're standing on the street with your ten-pack of disposable
>razors in your hand. You have no hot water, no soap, and no
>mirror. It's cold out there and your hands are shaking but you
>have to hold them still enough to shave without cutting yourself.
>If you take off your coat and hat for long-enough to shave some-
>one will steal them. You can't close your eyes as you scrape
>because you'll get mugged. How good a shave will you get ?
I think I liked this one better when it was just about the set
of all men who do not shave themselves.
Lee "the Rustling Strawman debate" Rudolph
Margaret Lillard
>>So you're standing on the street with your ten-pack of disposable
>>razors in your hand. You have no hot water, no soap, and no
>>mirror. It's cold out there and your hands are shaking but you
>>have to hold them still enough to shave without cutting yourself.
>>If you take off your coat and hat for long-enough to shave some-
>>one will steal them. You can't close your eyes as you scrape
>>because you'll get mugged. How good a shave will you get ?
The trains will meet in Omaha.
MAL
now ask the one about the priest, the rabbi and the imam in a rowboat
R H Draney
>
> So you're standing on the street with your ten-pack of disposable
> razors in your hand. You have no hot water, no soap, and no
> mirror. It's cold out there and your hands are shaking but you
> have to hold them still enough to shave without cutting yourself.
> If you take off your coat and hat for long-enough to shave some-
> one will steal them. You can't close your eyes as you scrape
> because you'll get mugged. How good a shave will you get ?
This is Phoenix...we don't *do* cold....r
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Joseph Michael Bay
>The book _Of Whales and Men_ contains a detailed description of the
>manufacture of drinkable alcohol from shoe polish on a dry whaling
>island.
>If anyone is at all interested I can dig it out for a more detailed
>cite.
>I do not endorse whaling.
Especially dry whaling.
Joe "chafes a bit" Bay
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alistair gale
[SNIP]
>You would think that aftershave would have some kind of denaturant, due to the
>alcohol taxes. It could be comparatively safe like a puking agent to cut down
>on the danger of lawsuits. Puking agents are commonly found in OTC drugs like
>Primatene to allow correct use but cause puking when abused, so it would be a
>good choice for an aftershave application.
How much alcohol will make a "clean and sober" recovering alcoholic
fall of the wagon (or at least want to)?
Is De-Alcoholized Near-Beer OK (<0.1%) alcohol? How about foods
cooked with wine like some pasta sauces, does enough cook out to avoid
being a problem?
Also a lot of over the counter drug syrups have alcohol in them,
should an Alcoholic avoid them?
In essence, how many grams of ethanol per hour would risk waking up
the part of the brain which craves alcohol?
--
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Charles A Lieberman
Lizz Holmans
>The very day state-controlled (although to my knowledge privatedly-
>owned) liquor stores became legal, my favorite ice cream place suddenly
>changed its production. And I was no longer allowed to go in there.
Why weren't you allowed to have ice cream once Oklahoma legalized
alcohol?
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No relation.
Marc M Reeve
>Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:30:51 +0000
>Lizz Holmans
>>The very day state-controlled (although to my knowledge privatedly-
>>owned) liquor stores became legal, my favorite ice cream place suddenly
>>changed its production. And I was no longer allowed to go in there.
>
>Why weren't you allowed to have ice cream once Oklahoma legalized
>alcohol?
>
openly selling liquor, rather than ice cream.
Marc "surprised, etc." Reeve
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Lizz Holmans
Lieberman <yvro...@voicenet.com> writes
>Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:30:51 +0000
>Lizz Holmans
>>The very day state-controlled (although to my knowledge privatedly-
>>owned) liquor stores became legal, my favorite ice cream place suddenly
>>changed its production. And I was no longer allowed to go in there.
>
>Why weren't you allowed to have ice cream once Oklahoma legalized
>alcohol?
Silly billy. They didn't sell ice cream anymore. They only sold alcohol.
In Oklahoma alcohol (other than 3.2 beer) can only be sold in liquor
stores. You can't drop by the local Slaveway to pick up a bottle of Old
Overcoat--you have to make a special trip. And you had to transport the
unopened bottle in the trunk of your car.
We didn't get proper (if drinking can be called 'proper' in a
predominantly Baptist state) liquor by the drink until 1971 or so. Even
now, 'nice' restaurants--you know, the ones folks go to after church on
Sunday--don't serve anything stronger than iced tea. And since liquor-
by-the-drink is county option, there are still places in God's Country
where you can't buy Demon Rum (or scotch, or tequila, or any of the
lesser devils) at all.
Lizz 'the Imps of Satan are finally dry, too' Holmans
>
--
Lizz Holmans
Alec Horgan
> How much alcohol will make a "clean and sober" recovering alcoholic
> fall of the wagon (or at least want to)?
There's no set amount.
Of course, Bill W says in the Big Book that any
consumption of any mind-altering substance will
instantly send you back to lushland.
Al"that's why everybody at AA chainsmokes and drinks endless amounts
of coffee"ec
Charles A Lieberman
Lizz Holmans
>>Why weren't you allowed to have ice cream once Oklahoma legalized
>>alcohol?
>
>Silly billy. They didn't sell ice cream anymore. They only sold alcohol.
I thought of marking this one, but then I figured "no, I'm insulting
people's intelligence."
I'm *way* over the limit.
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Todd Larason
>In Oklahoma alcohol (other than 3.2 beer) can only be sold in liquor
>stores.
3.2 beer is a non-intoxicating beverage. The law says so - or at
least it still did as of about 1995 or so; there was a legislator
trying to change that when I moved away. That was a holdover from the
initial legalization, about 1930 or so -- the OK constitution had a
prohibition measure that wasn't repealed when the US constitution's
prohibition was repealed. It forbade intoxicating beverages, and a
slim majority in the legislature wan't to legalize 3.2 beer, but
didn't have the votes to change the consitution...so, they declared
3.2 beer non-intoxicating. (the OK constitution prohibition may only
have applied to the eastern half of the state - the organic act
calling for the state to be formed required that the state have
prohibition in the former indian territory, and I can't recall whether
the convention did just that minimum or whether they set the same
restriction across the state).
>You can't drop by the local Slaveway
That's "Gnomeland" now.
>We didn't get proper (if drinking can be called 'proper' in a
>predominantly Baptist state) liquor by the drink until 1971 or so.
Oh, it was later than that, in restaurants at least. 1986 or so,
definately the 80s. All those restaurants you saw serving liquor by
the drink before that were actually private clubs, and the patrons
brought their own bottles to be served from. Invisible bottles.
According to family legend, prohibition in OK was ended by governor
J. Howard Edmondson instructing the state troopers to actually enforce
the law. My grandfather Bert complained till the day he died about
that, since during prohibition he'd been able to have his booze home
delivered.
Lizz Holmans
<j...@molehill.org> writes
>Oh, it was later than that, in restaurants at least. 1986 or so,
>definately the 80s. All those restaurants you saw serving liquor by
>the drink before that were actually private clubs, and the patrons
>brought their own bottles to be served from. Invisible bottles.
You may be right about restaurants, but bars could serve by '72. I
remember I voted in that election in favor of it, even though I was (and
still am) a teetotaller. I guess we could look it up, but I'm too lazy
and you're supposed to be on vacation and I doubt if anyone else cares.
>
>According to family legend, prohibition in OK was ended by governor
>J. Howard Edmondson instructing the state troopers to actually enforce
>the law. My grandfather Bert complained till the day he died about
>that, since during prohibition he'd been able to have his booze home
>delivered.
With your family connections, dear, I'm surprised the Highway Patrol
didn't deliver to your door.
Lizz 'I still covet your mother's Yellow Dog Democrat button' Holmans
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Warpy Spurlock
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>
> How much alcohol will make a "clean and sober" recovering alcoholic
> fall of the wagon (or at least want to)?
>
> cooked with wine like some pasta sauces, does enough cook out to avoid
> being a problem?
Wine in cooked food becomes non-alcoholic very quickly. The problem with
near beer isn't the alcohol, it's the beer flavor. (cue Homer:
uhhhhh...beer...) My recovering alcoholic's brain instantly associates even
the smell of beer with the rush of drinking and so I steer clear of anything
that might take me down that road.
> Also a lot of over the counter drug syrups have alcohol in them,
> should an Alcoholic avoid them?
It depends. I've found that the taste of alcohol does far more for me than
the alcohol itself. IOW, if I don't know it's booze the effect on my brain,
while definitely familiar, doesn't launch me into insane crave-mode.
> In essence, how many grams of ethanol per hour would risk waking up
> the part of the brain which craves alcohol?
The part of my brain which craves alcohol is always wide awake and
surprisingly chipper. I haven't fed it in 6 years but that doesn't stop it
from eyeing every sweaty beer bottle with an optimistically ravenous gleam.
The few times I have accidentally drank even a little alcohol (too much
hooch in the Tiramisu, mistaking a gin-and-tonic for my soda with lime) have
made me wish I could have just one beer and be okay. Of course, that's just
the clever big drunk part of my brain bargaining with me. As if I could
ever want just *one* beer! Of course, I'm no expert on alcohol. In my
bottoming out days I was known to drink vinegar when especially desperate.
--
Warpy "day by day by day by day..." Spurlock
Warpy Spurlock
news:yiiy9yv...@zorro.msci.memphis.edu...
>
> Of course, Bill W says in the Big Book that any
> consumption of any mind-altering substance will
> instantly send you back to lushland.
>
>
> Al"that's why everybody at AA chainsmokes and drinks endless amounts
> of coffee"ec
Wha-? Dogmatic hypocrites at an AA meeting? No way! Though I must say
that I haven't found anything but alcohol to be a gateway to my desperately
wanting to consume alcohol. I've even enjoyed a fatty or two in the last 6
years with no ill effect and have certainly inhaled my requisite share of
caffeine and cigs. To say the least, Bill W. was a controlling fellow.
Actually fits the profile of a drunk to a tee. Think maybe he an L. Ron
knew each other?
--
Warpy "frightened of intials ever since being attacked by one as child"
Spurlock
Casady
<alis...@caribsurf.com> wrote:
>On 1 Nov 2000 01:03:21 GMT, nos...@ripco.com (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>>You would think that aftershave would have some kind of denaturant, due to the
>>alcohol taxes. It could be comparatively safe like a puking agent to cut down
>>on the danger of lawsuits. Puking agents are commonly found in OTC drugs like
>>Primatene to allow correct use but cause puking when abused, so it would be a
>>good choice for an aftershave application.
>
>How much alcohol will make a "clean and sober" recovering alcoholic
>fall of the wagon (or at least want to)?
>
>Is De-Alcoholized Near-Beer OK (<0.1%) alcohol? How about foods
>cooked with wine like some pasta sauces, does enough cook out to avoid
>being a problem?
>
>Also a lot of over the counter drug syrups have alcohol in them,
>should an Alcoholic avoid them?
>
>In essence, how many grams of ethanol per hour would risk waking up
>the part of the brain which craves alcohol?
I inhale and absorb through my hands, trivial amounts of ethanol,
nearly every day. I use the stuff constantly, for cleaning,
electronics, optics, other stuff, as the least toxic organic solvent
available. I pay for taxed everclear brand grain alcohol, although
I have many gallons of high grade methanol left over from racing
my sprint cars. I use a bottle or so per year of expensive stuff
for safety reasons. I keep it in plastic baby bottles with silicone
nipples, as a convenient dispenser, and I couldn't do that with
toxic stuff, although this is a child free house. My brother has
been known to show up unexpectedly, with a 'diaper slayer'
with him, and a suck on the ethanol would not be likely to
do serious permanent damage, although it is a powerful irritant
and damages skin and mucous membranes in its undiluted
form.
I have not gotten drunk in nearly four years, and those traces do
not make me thirsty. They bring back memories, but so what.
Reminders that intoxicants exist are everywhere. In my case, one
beer was somewhat safe, two was dangerous, and three led to too
many, most of the time.
Casady
Simon Slavin
alistair gale <alis...@caribsurf.com> wrote:
>How much alcohol will make a "clean and sober" recovering alcoholic
>fall of the wagon (or at least want to)? [snip]
There is no single kind of recovering alcoholic. You have to
take into account the previous and current social situations
and a bunch of other factors to put them into anything
resembling useful classes -- or better still consider every
one as an individual.
>In essence, how many grams of ethanol per hour would risk waking up
>the part of the brain which craves alcohol?
A vanishingly small amount: a couple of liquer chocolates, or
licking-out the lid of a whisky bottle. Or you can do it by
convincing one that she or he has just drunk some beer even if
it's not true. Once the system is clean the attachment to
alcohol is mostly psychological, not physiological.
Mitcho
> uhhhhh...beer...) My recovering alcoholic's brain instantly associates even
> the smell of beer with the rush of drinking and so I steer clear of anything
> that might take me down that road.
Like walking past pubs? I love the smell of a pub. That sour beery
scent overlaid with stale tobacco smoke. Whenever I walk past a pub
and that familiar odor wafts on onto the sidewalk, I cannot control
the urge to go inside for a pint.
I also like drinking coffee out of styrofoam cups.
Mitcho
--
The Urban Redneck : red...@employees.org : Goat Hill, California
http://www.employees.org/~redneck
Deborah Stevenson
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Warpy Spurlock wrote:
> "alistair gale" <alis...@caribsurf.com> wrote in message
> news:nqig0t4kf4lub96bd...@4ax.com...
> >
> > How much alcohol will make a "clean and sober" recovering alcoholic
> > fall of the wagon (or at least want to)?
> >
> > Is De-Alcoholized Near-Beer OK (<0.1%) alcohol? How about foods
> > cooked with wine like some pasta sauces, does enough cook out to avoid
> > being a problem?
>
> Wine in cooked food becomes non-alcoholic very quickly.
Much less quickly than generally perceived, apparently. Somebody finally
cooked stuff with wine and then tested it, and the results were sufficient
to suggest that many dishes involving alcohol might be a problem for those
trying to avoid it.
The reference for the article is:
Augustin, Jorg and Augustin, Evelyn, "Alcohol Retention in Food
Preparation," Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Vol. 92 #4
(April 1992), p 486 - 488.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Lee Ayrton
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Deborah Stevenson wrote:
> > Wine in cooked food becomes non-alcoholic very quickly.
This, of course, is a "fact" that many know. Or so it seems from my chair
in the corner.
>
> Much less quickly than generally perceived, apparently. Somebody finally
> cooked stuff with wine and then tested it, and the results were sufficient
> to suggest that many dishes involving alcohol might be a problem for those
> trying to avoid it.
So says Graham Kerr, famous cook and ex-lush[1], too. In his current
cooking series he advocates using de-alcoholized wine, as cooking does not
remove all of the ETOH, he says. Not as scientific as your citation, but
there none the less.
[1] In his 1970[L] TV series, "The Galloping Gourmet", his polishing off a
litre or more of wine in the course of a half-hour show was something of a
trademark.
Lee Ayrton
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk wrote:
> >In essence, how many grams of ethanol per hour would risk waking up
> >the part of the brain which craves alcohol?
>
> A vanishingly small amount: a couple of liquer chocolates, or
> licking-out the lid of a whisky bottle. Or you can do it by
So I was lead to believe while training as a hospital orderly in 1977, and
again while training as a Licensed Practical Nurse in 1978-79. In both
cases were were advised to remove all alcohol containing items from the
bedside area of known alcoholics, including after-shave and mouthwash.
The hospital stocked special non-alcoholic mouthwash to be used for
those at risk. Alas, I have no documentation to offer.
[the squeemish might stop reading here]
We were also advised to promptly empty the urinals of active drunks. I
actually _have_ seen drunks attempt to drink from a urinal, although
whether this is from them picking up on ETOH excreted in the urine or
simply from disorientation, I cannot say. Ancient memories tell me that
one of them may have been the gentleman who arrived from the ER with
plastic bags tied around his feet (odor containment in the ER, very
genteel folks down there), a chest tube in place to correct his
pneumothorax and an order for an IV of 5% Dextrose with 5% Alcohol in
Water. This last was to keep him sotted enough for a few days that he
wouldn't pull out the chest tube.
It worked, too.
John Gilmer
"Lee Ayrton" <lay...@connix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSI.3.95.100110...@comet.connix.com...
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Deborah Stevenson wrote:
>
> > > Wine in cooked food becomes non-alcoholic very quickly.
>
> This, of course, is a "fact" that many know. Or so it seems from my chair
> in the corner.
Well, yeast (used in bread) generates alcohol. This is most of the "fresh"
smell when you bake yeast bread.
Lon Stowell
And why your party-pooper mother would never let you eat the
stuff until it had cooled down so far it wouldn't melt the
nice hot butter it just cried out for.
Lon Stowell
McCaffertA <mccaf...@aol.comment> wrote:
>In article <97381042...@pizza.crosslink.net>, "John Gilmer"
>
>>"Lee Ayrton" <lay...@connix.com> wrote in message
>>news:Pine.BSI.3.95.100110...@comet.connix.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Deborah Stevenson wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Wine in cooked food becomes non-alcoholic very quickly.
>>>
>>> This, of course, is a "fact" that many know. Or so it seems from my chair
>>> in the corner.
>>
>>Well, yeast (used in bread) generates alcohol. This is most of the "fresh"
>>smell when you bake yeast bread.
>
>people, metabolizes its food differently when it has lots of spare oxygen than
>when it doesn't. Brewing and baking techniues have both evolved to get more
>product and less by-product.
>
?Mom? ?Lied?
McCaffertA
>"Lee Ayrton" <lay...@connix.com> wrote in message
>news:Pine.BSI.3.95.100110...@comet.connix.com...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Deborah Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> > > Wine in cooked food becomes non-alcoholic very quickly.
>>
>> This, of course, is a "fact" that many know. Or so it seems from my chair
>> in the corner.
>
>Well, yeast (used in bread) generates alcohol. This is most of the "fresh"
>smell when you bake yeast bread.
No, it really isn't, at least not as much as you might expect. Yeast, like
people, metabolizes its food differently when it has lots of spare oxygen than
when it doesn't. Brewing and baking techniues have both evolved to get more
product and less by-product.
Anthony "Ever eat alcoholic pizza dough?" McCafferty
McCaffertA
Stowell) writes:
>?Mom? ?Lied?
Well, of course not. Since we are all actually you, that would be defaming
my own ancestry.
Antholon McCaffstowell
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> > Massachusetts and New Hampshire periodically get in a "border war" over
> >this; since MA's taxes are based, in theory, on point of consumption
> 'Way back in the Olden Dayes (pre-1959) Oklahoma was a completely dry
> state. No liquor sold, nohow, nowhere. I know more than one family that
> made quite a bundle working as bootleggers between Tulsa and Joplin,
> Missouri.
The internet being the wierd creature that it is, this just
now showed up in my mailbox.
When my father moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1947, the
"welcome wagon" people delivered the usual basket of
goodies and pamphlets on his doorstep [TWIAVBP: in
many US of A cities and towns, when you newly move in
to town an organization called "welcome wagon" will
visit you with gifts and coupons from the local
merchants, who, of course, want your patronage]. Among
the other items was a small brochure from a local
bootlegger, discretely offering his services.
http://www.welcomewagon.com/ctg/cgi-bin/WelcomeWagonNew
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Trakar
>On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:49:47 -0400, alistair gale
><alis...@caribsurf.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1 Nov 2000 01:03:21 GMT, nos...@ripco.com (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>>
>>[SNIP]
>>
>>>You would think that aftershave would have some kind of denaturant, due to the
>>>alcohol taxes. It could be comparatively safe like a puking agent to cut down
>>>on the danger of lawsuits. Puking agents are commonly found in OTC drugs like
>>>Primatene to allow correct use but cause puking when abused, so it would be a
>>>good choice for an aftershave application.
>>
>>How much alcohol will make a "clean and sober" recovering alcoholic
>>fall of the wagon (or at least want to)?
>>
>>Is De-Alcoholized Near-Beer OK (<0.1%) alcohol? How about foods
>>cooked with wine like some pasta sauces, does enough cook out to avoid
>>being a problem?
>>
>>Also a lot of over the counter drug syrups have alcohol in them,
>>should an Alcoholic avoid them?
>>
>>In essence, how many grams of ethanol per hour would risk waking up
>>the part of the brain which craves alcohol?
>
>I inhale and absorb through my hands, trivial amounts of ethanol,
>nearly every day. I use the stuff constantly, for cleaning,
>electronics, optics, other stuff, as the least toxic organic solvent
>available. I pay for taxed everclear brand grain alcohol, although
>I have many gallons of high grade methanol left over from racing
>my sprint cars. I use a bottle or so per year of expensive stuff
>for safety reasons. I keep it in plastic baby bottles with silicone
>nipples, as a convenient dispenser, and I couldn't do that with
>toxic stuff, although this is a child free house. My brother has
>been known to show up unexpectedly, with a 'diaper slayer'
>with him, and a suck on the ethanol would not be likely to
>do serious permanent damage, although it is a powerful irritant
>and damages skin and mucous membranes in its undiluted
>form.
>
>I have not gotten drunk in nearly four years, and those traces do
>not make me thirsty. They bring back memories, but so what.
>Reminders that intoxicants exist are everywhere. In my case, one
>beer was somewhat safe, two was dangerous, and three led to too
>many, most of the time.
>
Alcoholics are triggered into thier abuse cycles much more by thier
mental states than by any incidental physical contact. A person who
"falls off the wagon" has almost always done so long before they
actually imbibe any alcohol. I can certainly understand certain
instances where incidental physical contact (ie., medication etc.,)
bring on those "old familiar feelings" and without corrective action,
could easily lead to a mental state that causes a relapse to abuse.
Alcoholics, however, who are committed to maintaining sobriety, and
who have taken steps to build a support system to help them when they
experience these mental states are in much less danger of relapse when
they occur.
JoAnne Schmitz
wrote:
>When my father moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1947, the
>"welcome wagon" people delivered the usual basket of
>goodies and pamphlets on his doorstep [TWIAVBP: in
>many US of A cities and towns, when you newly move in
>to town an organization called "welcome wagon" will
>visit you with gifts and coupons from the local
>merchants, who, of course, want your patronage]. Among
>the other items was a small brochure from a local
>bootlegger, discretely offering his services.
>
>http://www.welcomewagon.com/ctg/cgi-bin/WelcomeWagonNew
"Not Found
The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is
either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you
have it. "
JoAnne "and now I really, really want to see it" Schmitz
Mac
> In article <8tnq4p$3e$1...@gail.ripco.com>,
> nos...@ripco.com (Bloody Viking) wrote:
> >
> > This is a most bizarre piece of folklore, and I discovered it over a
> decade
> > ago. Apparently, some alcoholics get desperate enough to drink
> aftershave.
>
> On a trip to Curacao with the ex some years back, we toured the "plant"
> (one beautiful 17th century house and a quonset hut) of the Curacao
> Bottling Company, purveyors of the eponymous liqueur.
>
> In the quonset hut, most of the space was given over to a product
> called, I believe, "Alcool Pinguino." It was about the color of Scope
> mouthwash and had a cute penguin on the label.
>
> I picked a bottle up and attempted to make out the text on the label.
> Neither my Dutch nor my Papiamentu is very good, but as far as I could
> tell, the product was both an aftershave and a beverage.
This stuff?
http://www.alcoladoglacial.com/ ("Alcolado Glacial," which appears to be a Curacao product, and has a very chill-looking penguin on it.)
Something like that was seen in the San Pedro Sula or Tela of me yout', back while a'servin' o' the Raygun, back when San Pedro was, believe it or not sleepy and genteel. It appeared to be dual-purpose.
A.N "Beat that, Ed Rice!!!" Mc&cet
Don Freeman
at least from what I remember from my one (and only) attempt at drinking
something with denatured alcohol in it whilst a young teen pup. My
stomach starts to get upset just thinking about it now.
* Specifically "SD alcohol No.40B". Which defined by the Federal Code
of Regulations
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=46f3294b04c190142c481340b5c43922&n=27y1.0.1.1.17&r=PART&ty=HTML#27:1.0.1.1.17.4.285.46>
as:
§21.76 Formula No. 40-B.
(a) Formula. To every 100 gallons of alcohol add:
One-sixteenth avoirdupois ounce of denatonium benzoate**, N.F., and 1⁄8
gallon of tert-butyl alcohol.
**Wikipedia: Denatonium, usually available as denatonium benzoate (under
trade names such as BITTER+PLUS, Bitrex or Aversion) and as denatonium
saccharide, is the most bitter chemical compound known, with bitterness
thresholds of 0.05 ppm for the benzoate and 0.01 ppm for the saccharide.
Unless it is either easy to separate the ethyl alcohol from the
denaturants or one can develop a tolerance for extreme bitterness, it
could hardly be used as an evening aperitif.
-Don
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Thomas Prufer
>Unless it is either easy to separate the ethyl alcohol from the
>denaturants or one can develop a tolerance for extreme bitterness, it
>could hardly be used as an evening aperitif.
thorough a slice of white bread.
This was told to me as having been done in Vietnam, by out then-neighbor in the
70s. I think Mennen aftershave was specifically mentioned.
I think we did this here a while ago, (I think) along with a link to someone who
was convicted of manslaughter for knowing selling Sterno to alcoholics after it
was converted from ethyl to methyl alcohol.
Can't be bothered to descend into the mess ggl has made of the news archives...
Thomas Prufer
D.F. Manno
check into rehab, I was given a list of contraband items. Among them
were certain brands of mouthwash. On arrival, when I asked why those
brands were banned, I was told by the staff that alcoholics have been
known to drink the mouthwashes with an alcohol content. (FYI, original
formula Listerine is 26.9% alcohol.)
--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
GOP delenda est!
Ralph Jones
<prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
>Legend was one could separate drinkable alcohol from aftershave by straining it
>thorough a slice of white bread.
>
methanol, that powered the US Navy Mark 14 torpedo of WW2. I believe
it resulted in some other adulterants being added.
rj