What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps" and "piss
up a rope". (Since I don't read a.u.e and didn't see
either in its FAQ...) Any suggestions^Whelp would be
appreciated.
I did come across a page which might be of interest to
many AFUisti, "A Web of Specialized On-line Dictionaries":
http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction4.html
"Welcome to the new page of dictionaries on specialized
topics. General dictionaries often omit terms which are
too 'specialized'. This page will list dictionaries which,
well, specialize in specialized topics, such as those you
see in the table below."
or, for its English-language search page:
http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction.html
Joe "Port Out, Shit-faced Home." Shair
--
Remove invisible fnord words to reply.
"Christianity was just another mystery cult until Jesus was born.
The mother of Jesus was Mary, who was different from other women
because of her immaculate contraption." _Non Campus Mentis_
>Well, no. Not really.
>
>What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
>entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps"
According to entomologist Jesse Sheidlower of the Order of
Eremetic Dervishes (or some such organization), in his book
_The F Word_ (ISBN 0-0-375-70634-8), the adjective "fuck-me",
meaning
(especially of an article of clothing) intended to invite
sexual advances
is attested in 1974 in D. Bowie's pop. song _We Are the Dead_,
with lyric "I love you in your fuck-me pumps". P. (I believe
that's Pam, hi Pam!) Munro, in _U.C.L.A. Slang_ (1989), is
the next citation: "_Fuck-me boots_...mid-calf or higher boots
worn under a miniskirt." However, when we come to the most
recently dated citation, "1998 N. Y. C. writer, age 70",
we are thrown back to "the 1960s when the niece of the then-
editor of _Vogue_, Diana Vreeland, startled me by referring
to her `fuck-me boots.'" So which came first, the boot or
the pump? And when? Even the experts don't know.
Lee "different pumps for different stumps" Rudolph
What does the study of insects (entomology) have to do with the history of
fuck?
You probably really want to know about etymology, don't you?
ragnar
There was a lengthy discussion of this topic on
rec.arts.sf.fandom a while back. Apparently, the experts
have no clue; it is your classic undocumented slang.
--
Michael J. Lowrey
prefers orange Converse hi-tops
> What does the study of insects (entomology) have to do with the history of
> fuck?
Hi, Ragnar and welcome to alt.folklore.urban. We have a FAQ (posted
in the last few days) and a style-guide (which I post on or about the
beginning of every month). If you can't find the style-guide using
Google feel free to email me and I'll email you a copy.
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | [One] thing that worries me about Bush and
No junk email please. | Blair's "war on terrorism" is: how will they
| know when they've won it ? -- Terry Jones
THE FRENCH WAS THERE
First off, "welcome" is hardly appropriate for someone who's been lurking
and posting on afu since before 1997. Makes me wonder how long you've been
here. Maybe I should say "welcome" to you instead.
Also, please tell me what part of the great and glorious style guide I've
violated. No, I DON'T WANT A COPY E-MAILED TO ME. Just tell me.
Ragnar
> Also, please tell me what part of the great and glorious style guide I've
> violated. No, I DON'T WANT A COPY E-MAILED TO ME. Just tell me.
The part where you're supposed to know the shibbolethim.
"Entomology/Etymology" has been an injoke here for some time. Probably
not as long as "voracious" or "Austria," but there's still at least a
year's worth of venerabilitudinousness to it.
--
Chris Clarke | Editor, Faultline Magazine
www.faultline.org | California Environmental News and Information
> The part where you're supposed to know the shibbolethim.
> "Entomology/Etymology" has been an injoke here for some time. Probably
> not as long as "voracious" or "Austria," but there's still at least a
> year's worth of venerabilitudinousness to it.
Looking back to January, 1996:
hat...@netcom.com (DaveHatunen) wrote, perhaps among other things...
>
>You don't really follow alt.folklore.urban, do you? "Furrfu" has a very
>specific entomology.
Charles Wm. "furrfu" Dimmick
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
>"Simon Slavin" <sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost> wrote in message
>news:B895F24A...@10.0.1.2...
>> Hi, Ragnar and welcome to alt.folklore.urban. We have a FAQ (posted
>> in the last few days) and a style-guide (which I post on or about the
>> beginning of every month). If you can't find the style-guide using
>> Google feel free to email me and I'll email you a copy.
>>
>First off, "welcome" is hardly appropriate for someone who's been lurking
>and posting on afu since before 1997. Makes me wonder how long you've been
>here.
Did you know "irony" isn't in the dictionary?
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Actually, it is.
> Furthermore, I suspect that Simon also recognizes that you've been
> around a while and that by "welcoming" you he was simply alluding to
> the fact that you'd made a newbie-mistake.
>
And which "newbie-mistake" would that be? Is correcting an error a
"newbie-mistake"?
It's not an error. It's an in-joke, though it's been in use for so
long on this group that most of the present readers may not even know
the original context. That context, going back as far as Google would
take me, is explicated below:
rom: fa...@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cockroach in the microwave
Message-ID: <134...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>
Date: 26 Apr 90 00:30:56 GMT
References: <67...@accuvax.nwu.edu> <101...@convex.convex.com>
<22...@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
Sender: ne...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM
Reply-To: fa...@sun.UUCP (Ed Falk)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Lines: 44
Posted: Thu Apr 26 01:30:56 1990
In article <22...@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> d...@beach.cis.ufl.edu (David A.
Johns) writes:
>
>And let's not forget the granddaddy of all urban legends, the
cockroach
>in the Univac (or Eniac or whatever) that supposedly gave rise to the
>term "bug" in computer jargon.
>
>For those of you who see this as a reasonable etymology, remember that
>"bug" was used for germ or disease well before World War II -- as in
>"Mary won't be in today, she caught a bug over the weekend."
Well, digging through my old archives, I find this item from the
"HUMOR" directory on MIT-AI:
Date: 23 Aug 1981 05:38:25-PDT
From: ARPAVAX.sjk at Berkeley
To: i:unix-wizards@sri-unix
Subject: entomology
Via: Berkeley.ArpaNet; 23 Aug 81 6:15-PDT
>From network Fri Aug 21 19:43:17 1981
Subject: origin of bug
Newsgroups: msgs
Ever wondered about the origins of the term "bugs" as applied to
computer
technology? U.S. Navy Capt. Grace Murray Hopper has firsthand
explanation.
The 74-year-old captain, who is still on active duty, was a pioneer
in
computer technology during World War II. At the C.W. Post Center of
Long Island University, Hopper told a group of Long Island public
school
administrators that the first computer "bug" was a real bug -- a moth.
At Harvard one August night in 1945, Hopper and her associates were
working
on the "granddaddy" of modern computers, the Mark I. "Things were
going
badly; there was something wrong in one of the circuits of the long
glass-enclosed computer," she said. "Finally, someone located the
trouble spot and, using ordinary tweezers, removed the problem, a
two-inch
moth. From then on, when anything went wrong with a computer, we
said it
had bugs in it." Hopper said that when the veracity of her story was
questioned recently, "I referred them to my 1945 log book, now in the
collection of Naval Surface Weapons Center, and they found the
remains of
that moth taped to the page in question."
-ed falk, sun microsystems
sun!falk, fa...@sun.com
terrorist, cryptography, DES, drugs, cipher, secret, decode, NSA, CIA,
NRO, SDI.
>But I'd really have expected someone who's been around here
>as long as I remember seeing posts from you to know exactly what
>entomology has to do with the meaning of "fuck".
Fornication Unleashes Cooties from the King!
Lee "bugger Bognor; rigor, Ragnar!" Rudolph
>> Did you know "irony" isn't in the dictionary?
>Actually, it is.
Deborah is becoming absent-minded and addled. She meant to say
that "gullible" isn't in the dictionary.
Are there any anti-virus packages which can prevent the
Regressive Newbie Syndrome (RNS) from spreading?
John "afraid, very afraid" Schmitt
--
Since when are the musings of a talk show host a cite?
- Daniel Ucko lays it bare
Disclaimers apply
I'm willing to buy an "in-joke", but the original poster wasn't using it.
He was simply mistaken, and I corrected him.
>I'm willing to buy an "in-joke", but the original poster wasn't using it.
>He was simply mistaken, and I corrected him.
Joe? Ha.
You were simply mistaken, and people corrected you.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
ho ho ho.
"/betty/" <u...@bit.bucket.invalid> wrote in message
news:8af17uc9vllpmkvavu93ujlosj9tdi7f0a@news...
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:16:03 GMT, "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> used
> 24 lines of space inciting the following:
> Fuckwit. That retort was so un-clique.
>
> --
> /betty - helping busy soldier ants with obligatory duty/
> http://www.theonion.com/onion3534/missing_the_point.html
>
>Actually, it is.
in the last few days) and a style-guide (which Simon Slavin posts on
or about the beginning of every month). If you can't find the
style-guide using Google feel free to email Simon and he'll email you
a copy.
deke
--
Ambition is a poor excuse for
not having enough sense to be lazy.
When he's right, he's right. I stand (or rather sit)
corrected. Whatever you do, don't see:
http://www.gpafterhours.com/linguistics/speaking.pdf
where it says, among other far more fascinating stuff:
"Entomology/etymology: AFU commonly discusses folk
etymology, and has a resident Bug Lady entomologist,
Judy Johnson. The custom of etymology/entomology
substitution is another trap for the unwary. Joe
Shair has been trying to popularise the substitution
since January 2000, with some success."
But, then, you know ever so much more about what I was
doing/using than I do.
Joe "Hell, I even thought for a while
that I had invented it." Shair
--
Remove invisible fnord words to reply.
If Karl, instead of writing a lot about capital,
had made a lot of it ... it would have been much
better. (attrib) Karl Marx's mother
Sister Cleo just got busted for similar unfounded claims of
knowledge that comes from a special understanding not available
to lesser mortals. At least you didn't charge for that bit
of psychic proclamation.
IHNTA, I just liked reading this.
--
Andrew McMichael, Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Princeton University
http://www.princeton.edu/~amcmicha/cv.html
"Doe maar gewoon, dan doe je al gek genoeg"-- A Dutch Proverb.
Umm, I wasn't correcting his spelling. I was correcting the entire word.
Had he spelled "entomology" as "enthomology", I would be correcting his
spelling.
In other words, it wasn't a spelling flame.
Damn that's a fine collection of whoosh birds you're exhibiting there. The
purple-speckled one may have what it takes for Best In Show.
Vivienne "pining for the fnords" Smythe
--
"Words were indeed insubstantial. They were as soft as water, but they were
also as powerful as water and now they were rushing over the audience,
eroding the levees of veracity and carrying away the past."
Terry Pratchett's Granny Weatherwax sees the need for www.urbanlegends.com
> In other words, it wasn't a spelling flame.
Nope. It was an intelligent person embarking on an inexplicable campaign
of cluelessness.
But we all have our bad days.
>
> Are there any anti-virus packages which can prevent the
> Regressive Newbie Syndrome (RNS) from spreading?
>
Do you mean this?
>> Tim:
>> Please post this through our company computer system. I want
>> everyone
>> to make an effort to help.
>>
>> Lars.
[multiple pages of FWD>>>s snipped]
PLEASE HELP!
I got this in e-mail from a friend of my sister's co-worker's mother. I
checked it out and it is 100% totally legit, these people need our help.
Please pass this along to everyone one you know and help these poor
people.
--------- A HORRIBLE DISEASE, AND YOU CAN HELP ---------
Hi,
My name is DeeDee and I'm 28 years old. You wouldn't know it to look at
me but I have a horrible disease called Idiopathic Remittent Neohymenic
Ectopia Syndrome, (sometimes pronounced Iron-ee Syndrome) formerly known
as RNS.
IRNES is a little-known, under-diagnosed neurological disorder of the
brain. Those who suffer from this disease often find themselves posting
to Usenet groups in ways that are embarrassing for themselves and their
friends and families. One minute they are a perfectly rational adult with
an adequate fund of knowledge to draw upon, the next minute they are a
raving, drooling idiot. In milder forms it can manifest as a stubborn
attempt to correct spelling mistakes followed by a period of mild
confusion and agitation. These attacks usually occur without warning to
the sufferer, who often has no recollection of the event and doesn't
understand why everyone is treating them like a pariah. It is a sad, sad
way to go through life.
If you see someone having an IRNES attack, here's what you should do.
First, gently but firmly get them away from the keyboard and screen. The
flicker rate of the screen stimulates parts of the brain and can make the
attack worse. You want to get the keyboard away from them as soon as you
can because they might inadvertantly throw it and hurt themselves or you.
Take them to a quiet, dark room and make them lie down. Don't let them
drink stimulants like alcohol or caffeine as this will only make the
attack worse. That's all you have to do, they won't swallow their tongue
or bite the pets.
Idiopathic Remittent Neohymenic Ectopia Syndrome afflicts an estimated 10
million annually. Most are between the ages of 17 and 45, but it can
strike as early as 12 and as late as 72. Most suffers are male, but about
35% are female. The cause is unknown and, while there is some treatment
available, there is no cure -- yet. But with you help, we can reduce the
incidence, make attacks less frequent and, one day, eradicate IRNES.
Here's how you can help:
Several Major Companies have agreed to redeem soft drink pull tabs for
treatment and research. Every pull tab you collect helps bring us one
step closer to effective treatment and, one day, a cure. Please, save all
that you can and mail them to the International IRNES Foundation. It will
be worth it if it saves just one child in your lifetime.
God bless you, and God bless our great country.
> > Furthermore, I suspect that Simon also recognizes that you've been
> > around a while and that by "welcoming" you he was simply alluding to
> > the fact that you'd made a newbie-mistake.
> >
>
> And which "newbie-mistake" would that be? Is correcting an error a
> "newbie-mistake"?
It sure the hell is around here. Remember the recipe for
rabbit stew that starts out "First make sure that what you
have is a rabbit."?
Charles Wm. "it ain't an error if it's intentional" Dimmick
That would apply for the activity in hot weather, but which word
originated from the sounds made in cold weather?
Charles Wm. Dimmick
>>> Tim:
>>> Please post this through our company computer system. I want
>>> everyone
>>> to make an effort to help.
>>>
>>> Lars.
>
>[multiple pages of FWD>>>s snipped]
>
>PLEASE HELP!
>
>I got this in e-mail from a friend of my sister's co-worker's mother. I
>checked it out and it is 100% totally legit, these people need our help.
>Please pass this along to everyone one you know and help these poor
>people.
>
>
> --------- A HORRIBLE DISEASE, AND YOU CAN HELP ---------
>
>Hi,
>
>My name is DeeDee and I'm 28 years old. You wouldn't know it to look at
>me but I have a horrible disease called Idiopathic Remittent Neohymenic
>Ectopia Syndrome, (sometimes pronounced Iron-ee Syndrome) formerly known
>as RNS.
>
>IRNES is a little-known, under-diagnosed neurological disorder of the
>brain. Those who suffer from this disease often find themselves posting<etc>
<pith mode mode>
Another fucking cricket match.
<pith mode off>
Sc-c-c-c-rr-e-w-w-w-w...
--
Jim Everman mailto:eve...@Anet-STL.com
http://www.Anet-STL.com/~everman/
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by
stupidity.
Shame there're so few job opportunities for unicorn wranglers around.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "I have no need for some little lecture from
Brooklyn, New York, USA | you, especially not one in which you are
cali...@bigfoot.com | wrong." -- Daniel Ucko
Joseph M. Shair <sant...@adams.fnordnet> wrote in message news:<MPG.16d888739...@news.supernews.com>...
> Well, no. Not really.
>
> What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
> entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps" and "piss
> up a rope". (Since I don't read a.u.e and didn't see
> either in its FAQ...) Any suggestions^Whelp would be
> appreciated.
>
> I did come across a page which might be of interest to
> many AFUisti, "A Web of Specialized On-line Dictionaries":
> http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction4.html
>
> "Welcome to the new page of dictionaries on specialized
> topics. General dictionaries often omit terms which are
> too 'specialized'. This page will list dictionaries which,
> well, specialize in specialized topics, such as those you
> see in the table below."
>
> or, for its English-language search page:
> http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction.html
>
> Joe "Port Out, Shit-faced Home." Shair
> Also, please tell me what part of the great and glorious style guide I've
> violated.
# Some of the regular posters occasionally include deliberate errors
# in spelling or grammar. If you post just to point out such errors
# then you're paying attension to the wrong thing.
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | [One] thing that worries me about Bush and
No junk email please. | Blair's "war on terrorism" is: how will they
| know when they've won it ? -- Terry Jones
THE FRENCH WAS THERE
What are you ? A three hundred year old voyeur ?
Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should let
the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
Ragnar
> Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should let
> the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
What a pendantic idiot.
You wouldn't be yanking our chain, wouldya?
--
Sherilyn
>The part where you're supposed to know the shibbolethim.
>"Entomology/Etymology" has been an injoke here for some time. Probably
>not as long as "voracious" or "Austria,"
<snip>
Thankyouthankyouthankyou. I almost forgot to post this.
I was watching Olympic coverage of some alpine skiiing event (probably
on CBC), and the announcer clearly said the "Australian" competitor
was currently in *mumble* place. AUSTRALIAN. As clear as day. A
moment later he repeated the factoid using "Austrian."
-- Rick "A clear victory for AFU" Tyler
__________________________________________________________________
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the
depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian
-- Rick "Ever notice my favorite sig?" Tyler
Yes, I thought Slavin was. I just didn't want to mention it.
Does it count if the fish ignores the hook that's in plain sight and
leaps onto shore? Actually, since it's trash fish (really now,
"I know you are, but what am I?"?), it's clearly a mute point.
--
Tim McDaniel is tm...@jump.net; if that fail,
tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
"To join the Clueless Club, send a followup to this message quoting everything
up to and including this sig!" -- Jukka....@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela)
You really are one tedious asshole. Sit down and shut up!
> Maroon.
Racist.
--
Karen J. Cravens
> begin Rick Tyler <rht...@attbi.com> quotation from
> news:87v57uc0ddq19h40u...@4ax.com:
>
> > Maroon.
>
> Racist.
What's wrong with being racy?
> voracious
(with extreme clippage)
Now the entomology of this word on AFU is very interesting. But in a
Google search I found the following interesting item, which I will
quote Brian Utterback, with somewhat less severe clippage:
> From: b...@millipore.com (Brian Utterback)
> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
> Subject: Re: hungry escalators
> Message-ID: <1990Nov1.1...@millipore.com>
> Date: 1 Nov 90 18:13:15 GMT
> References: <90301.2...@psuvm.psu.edu> <28...@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
> Organization: Millipore Corporation
> Lines: 27
> Posted: Thu Nov 1 19:13:15 1990
>
>
> Well, the topic of hungry escalators seems to have been confirmed. I
> too can
> attest to the voracious appetite of an escalator. The interesting
> thing
> thing I have noticed is that all the stories thus far (mine included)
> happened
> when the storyteller was about ten years old. From this we can conclude
> that
> escalators prefer 10 year olds.
I think this is the first instance (many kudos to Brian for his delphic
vision) of associating voracity with the concept of firsthand and
reliable confirmation, but it has yet to be put into its canonical
form.
That apparently didn't occur until more than two years later when Kevin
Cameron posted this classic, which because of its historic
significance, I hope you'll forgive me for re-posting in all it's
original grandeur. Many kudos for this jewel:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: kev...@kpc.com (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: A doubly bad pain in the neck
Message-ID: <1992May21.0...@kpc.com>
Keywords: pedants grandmothers GMBIL
Sender: use...@kpc.com
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer
References: <1992May19.1...@sunova.ssc.gov>
<1992May20....@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 01:38:13 GMT
Lines: 54
In article <1992May20....@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
jor...@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan) writes:
|> In article <1992May19.1...@sunova.ssc.gov>
chuck...@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuck Adams) writes:
|>
|> >In article <1992May18....@kpc.com> kev...@kpc.com (Kevin
Cameron)
|> >writes:
[re tossing babies up into ceiling fans]
|> >> I hate to admit it but I know this has happened. My grandmother
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >> told me about some relative (distant enough that I never met him)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >> that broke both of his daughter's necks this way. Apparently when
|> >> they were smaller he did this often with no ill effect and assumed
|> >> he still could. I don't believe the girls died though. I mention
|> >
|> >By golly, I think we hooked another one!
Duh, hooked another what?
|> I believe you're right. Ignoring the fact that it's a RDETINMHOMG
(much
|> worse than a FOAF) can I ask this -- After he broke ONE of his
daughter's
|> neck, why did he do it again with the other daughter?
|> Or did he throw them both up at once in some kind of wierd
simultaneous
|> child-tossing event I don't know about?
|> Or did his daughter have two necks? (Broke both of his daughter's
necks.)
|> Hmmmm.... Think about it, won't you?
The post to which I was responding mentioned a man who broke the neck
of each of his two sons (do you like that wording better?) by picking
each of them up in turn by his respective head (see how the number
of words needed to express oneself multiplies when there are pedants
about?).
I was saying that I thought that this may be more than mere legend
because it happened in my family. Why? Who knows for sure? As I
understand it, he was very upset after the first time. He probably
had a bunch of people telling him how stupid it was. He felt that
he (and his daughter) had gotten very unlucky. He picked up his
other daughter to prove that it wasn't dangerous. Stupid? Yes,
but who hasn't done something very stupid in his or her life?
As for the voracity of the source, this is my GRANDMOTHER you're
talking about. Aside from being a very fine lady whom I've NEVER
known to tell a lie (assertions suggesting otherwise will be
considered fighting words >:-| ), she has no reason to lie about a
member of our own family. Also, the relation was not all that distant
(possibly my grandmother's brother-in-law, that would make him a mere
GMBIL), I just don't remember what relative she said it was.
|> Chuck "Thrown Frequently as a Child" Jordan
--
Kevin "Stop Picking on Me, I've Got a Sore Neck" Cameron
"Those who will trade essential liberty for promise of security will
have neither" - Benjamin Franklin
Particularly during the Olympics?
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uUBc8.1326$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Or any single American ever to walk the face of the earth :)
> Alice "be afraid; be very afraid" Faber
>
> --
> ==================I don't read crossposts==================
> "Apparently there are no gandy dancers among us."
> --Lee Ayrton points out a major deficiency in AFU
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