Smith's owned by Mormons! (Re: Speaking of Tops... (Or Wegmans))
Andrew Fant
question. When I was living in Albuquerque, Smiths had the largest liquor
section of any of the local grocery stores, and had a full line of house brand
hard liquors. If it were directly owned by the Mormons, I doubt that they
would be selling liquor so readily. Or am I naive to think that money and
religious beliefs ever are consitent? 8-)
ObUNY: In Houston, it IS possible to get buffalo wings with no breading,
non-tomato sauce, and enough heat to curl the hair on your toes. But WHY do
the restaraunts think that wings should be served with ranch dressing?
*YUCH!*
Andy Fant
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Eugenia Horne
sparks <hub...@minerva.cis.yale.edu> wrote:
>
>I lived in SLC for a couple of years and saw Dee Smith's mug all around
>town. He's definately Mo and has given tons of money to LDS hospital
>(although the mormans don't own LSD oops LDS hosp.) Believe me if the
>Mo's owned Smith's you wouldn't see alcohol there. They're too afraid
>their flock will begin having independent thought if drunk.
If Smith's was owned by the LDS Church it would be
MUCH more likely for Smith's to be closed on Sundays.
(I was told that ZCMI - a department store - is owned
by the LDS Church and it IS closed on Sundays. They even
declined to open a branch at the Boise Mall, because
the Mall told them that they WOULD be required to
be open Sundays.) Smith's is open on Sundays here in
"North Utah". It's a good time to go shopping.
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Travis Hayes
> In article <3hm38k$g...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
> sparks <hub...@minerva.cis.yale.edu> wrote:
>>(although the mormans don't own LSD oops LDS hosp.) Believe me if the
>>Mo's owned Smith's you wouldn't see alcohol there. They're too afraid
>>their flock will begin having independent thought if drunk.
Yeah, whatever.
> If Smith's was owned by the LDS Church it would be
> MUCH more likely for Smith's to be closed on Sundays.
> (I was told that ZCMI - a department store - is owned
> by the LDS Church and it IS closed on Sundays. They even
> declined to open a branch at the Boise Mall, because
> the Mall told them that they WOULD be required to
> be open Sundays.) Smith's is open on Sundays here in
> "North Utah". It's a good time to go shopping.
Yes, I live in northern Utah, and yes, I am mormon. I don't think the
church owns Smith's, but a *member* of the church may own it. I can't think of
a commerical business that the church owns *as a church*, although it owns
quite a lot of land in a certain county in Missouri.
Around my town, the mall is closed on Sunday, and a lot of retail stores are
closed on Sunday, but many restaraunts are still open. It may be because of
the large LDS population, but it's also due to the fact that people like a day
off every once in a while. *shrug*
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Scott Souva
> Yes, I live in northern Utah, and yes, I am mormon. I don't think the
>church owns Smith's, but a *member* of the church may own it. I can't think of
>a commerical business that the church owns *as a church*, although it owns
>quite a lot of land in a certain county in Missouri.
What? How about TV station KSL-channel 5? The LDS church owns and
operates this CBS station. Remember when the TV show "Twin Peaks" protrayed
Mormons in a bad light? It got yanked and was put in the late-late spot!
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Yeechang Lee
| Yes, I live in northern Utah, and yes, I am mormon. I don't think
|the church owns Smith's, but a *member* of the church may own it.
Yup, I believe you're right.
|I can't think of a commerical business that the church owns *as a
|church*,
Bonneville Media would count as one, I think.
|although it owns quite a lot of land in a certain county in
|Missouri.
Yup, they sure do. ;-)
Seriously, the LDS Church has sold off much of its financial
holdings--it gave up its controlling interest in Zions First National
Bank back in 1960 ("Founded by Brigham Young"), divested its chain of
hospitals in the early '70s (Salt Lake City's "LDS Hospital" ain't),
and definitely, positvely, has never owned Coca-Cola, despite that UL's
long-standing status, even among LDS folk who ought to know better
(like one of my mission comps . . .)
| Around my town, the mall is closed on Sunday, and a lot of retail
|stores are closed on Sunday, but many restaraunts are still open. It
|may be because of the large LDS population, but it's also due to the
|fact that people like a day off every once in a while. *shrug*
Yup; the South's blue laws have always been stricter in general.
ObFbUL: "Utah's alcohol laws are the strictest in the US."
Wellll . . . Other states have state-run liquor stores too, and many a
county in the south is still bone dry while there is no dry county in
Utah. Amusing fact: Utah was the decisive state in the repeal of
Prohibition.
Yeechang "Definitely not a Utahan" Lee
(Note crossposting and followups.)
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Michele Tepper
>
>Seriously, the LDS Church has sold off much of its financial
>holdings--it gave up its controlling interest in Zions First National
>Bank back in 1960 ("Founded by Brigham Young"), divested its chain of
>hospitals in the early '70s (Salt Lake City's "LDS Hospital" ain't),
>and definitely, positvely, has never owned Coca-Cola, despite that UL's
>long-standing status, even among LDS folk who ought to know better
>(like one of my mission comps . . .)
Real conversation in my house last night between myself and my housemate
who will go nameless, a graduate student in Public Health & Health
Education:
[Coke commercial comes on TV]
HM: You know, Mormons are allowed to drink colas nowadays.
Me: I don't think that's true.
HM: But the Mormons own Coke.
Me: No, they don't.
HM: Oh, maybe it was Pepsi.
Me: No.
HM: Don't they own the company that makes Fanta?
Me: I really don't think so.
HM: Oh.
We then went on to discuss the habits of the Seventh-Day Adventists,
about which neither of us knew a blessed thing, and so the conversation
worked out perfectly.
The Fanta story is a new one by me. And *why* would people think that
the non-caffeinated Mormons own Coca-Cola when anyone who's ever been to
Atlanta knows differently?
Michele "or who's even heard the Atlanta Legends about the Coca-Cola
family whose name escapes me at the moment..." Tepper
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Arden Eby
>From: yl...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
>Subject: Re: Smith's owned by Mormons! (Re: Speaking of Tops... (Or Wegmans))
>Date: 18 Feb 1995 01:08:26 GMT
>Travis Hayes <sl...@cc.usu.edu> says:
>| Yes, I live in northern Utah, and yes, I am mormon. I don't think
>|the church owns Smith's, but a *member* of the church may own it.
>Yup, I believe you're right.
>|I can't think of a commerical business that the church owns *as a
>|church*,
>Bonneville Media would count as one, I think.
So does Beneficial Life Insurance and U&I sugar.
Arden
Susan C. Mitchell
: In article <3hm38k$g...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
: sparks <hub...@minerva.cis.yale.edu> wrote:
: >
: >I lived in SLC for a couple of years and saw Dee Smith's mug all around
: >town. He's definately Mo and has given tons of money to LDS hospital
: >(although the mormans don't own LSD oops LDS hosp.) Believe me if the
: >Mo's owned Smith's you wouldn't see alcohol there. They're too afraid
: >their flock will begin having independent thought if drunk.
: If Smith's was owned by the LDS Church it would be
: MUCH more likely for Smith's to be closed on Sundays.
: (I was told that ZCMI - a department store - is owned
: by the LDS Church and it IS closed on Sundays. They even
: declined to open a branch at the Boise Mall, because
: the Mall told them that they WOULD be required to
: be open Sundays.) Smith's is open on Sundays here in
: "North Utah". It's a good time to go shopping.
What about Chick-Fil-A? All I know is that they're always closed on
Sundays and that their male employees all look like Mormon missionaries.
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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Yeechang Lee
|>Bonneville Media would count as one, I think.
|
|So does Beneficial Life Insurance and U&I sugar.
Hmm, I thought Beneficial Life was a part of Zions Bank (and thus not
owned by the Church since 1960). Don't know about U&I Sugar.
Jay Dunlap
I heard they own the Florida NBA team. TRUE?
JD
Robert Craig Harman
>Yeechang Lee <yl...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Seriously, the LDS Church has sold off much of its financial
>>holdings--it gave up its controlling interest in Zions First National
>>Bank back in 1960 ("Founded by Brigham Young"), divested its chain of
>>hospitals in the early '70s (Salt Lake City's "LDS Hospital" ain't),
>>and definitely, positvely, has never owned Coca-Cola, despite that UL's
>>long-standing status, even among LDS folk who ought to know better
>>(like one of my mission comps . . .)
>Real conversation in my house last night between myself and my housemate
>who will go nameless, a graduate student in Public Health & Health
>Education:
>
>[Coke commercial comes on TV]
>HM: You know, Mormons are allowed to drink colas nowadays.
>Me: I don't think that's true.
>HM: But the Mormons own Coke.
>Me: No, they don't.
>HM: Oh, maybe it was Pepsi.
>Me: No.
>HM: Don't they own the company that makes Fanta?
>Me: I really don't think so.
>HM: Oh.
<..seventh-day snip...>
>The Fanta story is a new one by me. And *why* would people think that
>the non-caffeinated Mormons own Coca-Cola when anyone who's ever been to
>Atlanta knows differently?
Yup. I've heard this one... I think it's one of those urban legends that
develops from an ironic twist on the facts. As you say Mormons don't usually
ingest caffeine (just a reminder, caffeinated drinks are a McConkieism and not
what is restricted by the Word of Wisdom), so "BOY, WOULDN'T IT BE IRONIC, if
they owned Coca-Cola, Pepsi, etc.?" The Fanta part's probably the result of
speculative members trying to counteract the implications of a UL about the
church owning a caffeinated drink supplier: "GOSH, IT COULDN'T BE THAT, maybe
it was Fanta, etc."
My favorite LDS UL is the European UL that we own FedEx, UPS, DHL, or some
other shipping company. This probably comes from confusion over our initials
in a Germanic language. For example, in German itself, the church is "Die
Kirche Jesu Christi der _Heiligen der letzten Tage_" or "HLT", for short.
HLT and DHL are awfully similar, so I suppose that's where the confusion set in.
What was especially neat (to show how far rumors spread) was that I first
heard this in France on my mission.
Craig
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makes Fanta:
If i remember correctly, Coca-Cola owns Fanta.
BTW--why isn't the same sort of Fanta (the lemon and orange flavors)
that's sold in Europe sold here in the States? I got addicted to lemon
Fanta while i was a full-time missionary in Germany, but it doesn't exist
over here. Quite frustrating. (Yeah, i know, it's off-topic, but i'm
allowed *one* every few months. ;-] )
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Yeechang Lee
|HM: You know, Mormons are allowed to drink colas nowadays.
|Me: I don't think that's true.
We can drink Coke. And Pepsi. Honest.
|HM: But the Mormons own Coke.
|Me: No, they don't.
|HM: Oh, maybe it was Pepsi.
|Me: No.
|HM: Don't they own the company that makes Fanta?
|Me: I really don't think so.
|HM: Oh.
This is correct, however.
Sean Willard
: Regarding the urban legend that the Mormon church owns the company that
:
: If i remember correctly, Coca-Cola owns Fanta.
:
: BTW--why isn't the same sort of Fanta (the lemon and orange flavors)
: that's sold in Europe sold here in the States? I got addicted to lemon
: Fanta while i was a full-time missionary in Germany, but it doesn't exist
: over here. Quite frustrating. (Yeah, i know, it's off-topic, but i'm
You know you're crossposting to alt.folklore.urban, don't you? No?
Two things to keep in mind while you're a guest here - off-topic posts
are not verboten here, provided they have some redeeming quality; and
that nasty little combination of three punctuation marks _is_ verboten
in these here parts. To learn good reasons to avoid them I suggest
you ftp to cathouse.org and read the files in
/pub/cathouse/urban.legends/afu/smileys. While you're there, check out
/pub/cathouse/urban.legends/afu/guides/afu.boa on the proper use of
acronyms.
Back to the subject at hand - a plausible reason for more flavors of
Fanta in Europe and especially Germany is that Fanta was _invented_ by
the Coca Cola company in Germany during the early 1940s, as a result of
supplies of CoCola syrup from Atlanta being cut off. Something about a
war, if I remember right.
:
: --
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: dbo...@mail.sas.upenn.edu we'll accept,
: And yes, that actually *is* my real name! we'll immortalise...
We know it's not David Jones' real name, no reason it shouldn't belong to
you.
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snopes
: I heard they own the Florida NBA team. TRUE?
If by 'they' you mean the KKK, then yes.
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On the subject of Mormon UL's, while I'm here...
One of my cow orkers mentioned that Mormons are not supposed to have
an odd number of kids, so if you accidentally got pregnant with number
3 (or 5 or 7 or...) it was incumbent on you, as a good Mormon, to have
another kid and even things out, and that this was the reason so many
Mormons seemed to have big families. Truth? UL? Cow orker with too
much time on his hands?
Ebeth "Now, about those Catholics..." Jones
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Kitson P. Kelly
>On the subject of Mormon UL's, while I'm here...
>One of my cow orkers mentioned that Mormons are not supposed to have
>an odd number of kids, so if you accidentally got pregnant with number
>3 (or 5 or 7 or...) it was incumbent on you, as a good Mormon, to have
>another kid and even things out, and that this was the reason so many
>Mormons seemed to have big families. Truth? UL? Cow orker with too
>much time on his hands?
You've got to be kidding me. Oh my goodness. I am rolling on the floor.
What in the world. The simple answer is NO. The last one is the true answer.
Tell your "cow orker" to get a life. (BTW whats a "cow orker"?)
Steven C. Slawin
>I heard they own the Florida NBA team. TRUE?
Which one--or both?
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In a previous posting, Kitson P. Kelly (kit...@primenet.com) writes:
> (BTW whats a "cow orker"?)
Someone who orks cows. Alternatively, someone who irks the people
around him.
Barbara "helpful" Hamel
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Arden Eby
>From: yl...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
>Subject: Re: Smith's owned by Mormons! (Re: Speaking of Tops... (Or Wegmans))
>Arden Eby <ar...@teleport.com> says:
>|>Bonneville Media would count as one, I think.
>|
>|So does Beneficial Life Insurance and U&I sugar.
>Hmm, I thought Beneficial Life was a part of Zions Bank (and thus not
>owned by the Church since 1960). Don't know about U&I Sugar.
Someone else said this over e-mail. However, I ran a search for the names of
the 1st pres, council of the 12 members in the Board of Directors field of
Standard and Poor's. Both Beneficial and U&I still qualifiy though they don't
show "Deseret Holding Corp." as the major stock holder like they did the last
time I looked (around 198--I was a freshman at BYU and remember it fairly
well). "Deseret Ranches of Florida" is still owned directly by the church.
It is apparently the secnond largest ranch in the country and a major money
maker. BTW, after the governments, the church is the largest land holder in
Florida of all places! It must be this ranch.
Arden
William E. VanHorne
>On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, snopes wrote:
>
>> Jay Dunlap (d...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>>
>> : I heard they own the Florida NBA team. TRUE?
>>
>> If by 'they' you mean the KKK, then yes.
>>
>> - snopes
>
snopes
>>> I heard they own the Florida NBA team. TRUE?
>> If by 'they' you mean the KKK, then yes.
> Who the hell wrote this, and what does it mean?
If by 'this' you mean the second line quoted above, I wrote it. Which
part did you find unclear? (Perhaps you're confused because there are
*two* NBA teams in Florida. I was referring to the Orlando Magic only;
I thought that point would be made clear by the 'Newsgroups' header.)
- snopes
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Jay Dunlap
>Chad Abrams Hagle (cha...@elaine4.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>
>>>> I heard they own the Florida NBA team. TRUE?
incorrectly thought the NBA team (Magic) was Mormon owned.
I now know it is Amway owned. Either way they own it all.
I don't care who you use for 'They'. It is a free world.
Actually I think Amway is Mormon owned but had not heard
of the KKK influence until snopes mentioned it. I see now
the connections and am waiting for a Tri-lateral expert
to explain to whole thing.
Jay (whatever the whole thing is) Dunlap
Chris Fishel
> On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, snopes wrote:
>
> >
> > : I heard they own the Florida NBA team. TRUE?
> >
> >
>
> Who the hell wrote this, and what does it mean?
If "this" refers to the question, Jay Dunlop wrote it. If "this" refers
to the answer, snopes wrote it. As for what it means, the fact that you
had to ask who wrote the article you were quoting a matter of seconds
after you must have seen the "_____ wrote" lines at the top means you
have severe short-term memory problems. I wouldn't worry too much:
in at least 7% of cases, this is not the sign of a fatal disease.
Chris "FYI, I wrote this" Fishel
snopes
> The part I found unclear was the part about the KKK. Please explain.
The KKK is made up of people. These people have money. They buy things
like sports franchises and fast food outlets. The Orlando Magic is an
example of the former.
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Chad Abrams Hagle
> If by 'this' you mean the second line quoted above, I wrote it. Which
> part did you find unclear? (Perhaps you're confused because there are
> *two* NBA teams in Florida. I was referring to the Orlando Magic only;
> I thought that point would be made clear by the 'Newsgroups' header.)
>
> - snopes
>
Yeechang Lee
|"Deseret Ranches of Florida" is still owned directly by the church.
|It is apparently the secnond largest ranch in the country and a major
|money maker. BTW, after the governments, the church is the largest
|land holder in Florida of all places! It must be this ranch.
I thought the Church was the 3rd-largest land owner in Florida, after
the government and Disney.
Articulate Mandible
kit...@primenet.com (Kitson P. Kelly) writes:
[crossposted troll deleted]
>You've got to be kidding me. Oh my goodness. I am rolling on the floor.
>What in the world. The simple answer is NO. The last one is the true answer.
> Tell your "cow orker" to get a life. (BTW whats a "cow orker"?)
Nope. It's crossposted, and this kinda troll doesn't count - yet.
Stay tuned for the announcement of the rules for the first official
crossposted derby of 1995.
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John P. LaRocque
Yeechang Lee <yl...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Arden Eby <ar...@teleport.com> says:
>|"Deseret Ranches of Florida" is still owned directly by the church.
>|It is apparently the secnond largest ranch in the country and a major
>|money maker. BTW, after the governments, the church is the largest
>|land holder in Florida of all places! It must be this ranch.
>I thought the Church was the 3rd-largest land owner in Florida, after
>the government and Disney.
You mean Disney isn't minority owned by the Church?
> Yeechang Lee <yl...@columbia.edu>|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
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sphinx drummond
Position by position look at best players in the NBA... comments please.
Centers:
1 Hakeem - No argument, simply the best (and best overall player)
2 Robinson - versatile, quick, but lacks Hakeem's strength & range.
3 Ewing - better range than Robinson, but slower and less consistent, a
proven winner with a nasty attitude, sometimes too emotional.
4 O'Neal - Awesome physical presence, one dimensional player but
virtually unstoppable within 10 feet, his scoring is helped
immensely by Hardaway, Anderson & Scott spreading out the defense.
Slowlydeveloping his range. Will get better.
5 Mourning - more developed & better all around than Shaq but lacks his
physical size/strength has that same nasty attitude that Ew ing
has--must be a Georgetown thing. Will get better.
Power Forwards:
1 Malone - As far as PF's go, he is in a class of his own. Scores,
rebounds, a good defender, doesn't appear to have a weakness.
2 Barkey - As soon as Green comes in the game, Charles becomes the best
SF in the league. Great strength, determination, and range. No one
matches his intensity. Maybe too emotional.
3 L. Johnson - The only question is his durability. Great strength,
good range. Needs to stay healthy.
4 Kemp - There's 3 reasons why Seattle's one of the best teams in the
league and Kemp is one of them. Seems like he's been around a long
time and he is only, 23 or 24 years old.
5 Help me out and take your pick - Oakley, Willis, Rodman, Weber, L.
Vaught, LaPhonso Ellis, Horace Grant, Thorpe, Buck, Weatherspoon, T.
Hill, Coleman, Kukoc, B Grant...?
Small Forwards:
1 Pippen - has a complete game, he can pass, shoot, rebound & defend.
But he quit and sat out the last play of the game when he wasn't the
go-to-guy. Yesterday on a last second shot attempt he double clutched
and came up short.
2 Schrempf - Complete offensive game, excellent passer & ball handler,
can play any position, good outside & inside. The 2nd reason why
Seattle's one of the best teams
3 C. Robinson - Strictly offense, good passer, good outside & inside.
4 G. Hill - Sure he's a rookie. The Big Dog was drafted before him and
no one is happier than the Pistons. Will be the best soon. Like
Pippen he has a complete game; defense, passing, amazing creator in
the open court. Have to see to appreciate.
5 Help me out and take your pick - Elliott, Mashburn, Rice, G.
Robinson, C. Person, Horry, McKey, C. Smith,Augmon....?
Shooting Guards:
1 Drexler - Not a weak spot to his game, literally does it all. Over
the past 10 years only Jordan has done more from the 2 guard spot. An
amazing creator. He is proving the doubters wrong, still has some
mileage left.
2 Richmond - Mitch seems to always be able to get his shot off. Great
jump shooter, good in the open court, strong when posting up.
3 Sprewell - The best of the new breed, spectacular offensive player,
needs to improve defense and outside shooting. Loves to take it to
the hoop. Will get better. Should be the best at his position within
2 years.
4 Dumars - All around skills but lacks the size of most 2 guards.
Deserves respect for what he has done, also like Drexler, he has a
few miles left. Maybe this was my sentimental pick.
5 Help me out and take your pick - J. Jackson, J.R. Rider, D. Majerle,
Starks, R. Miller, S.Smith, Hornecek, Owens, Porter, Gill...?
Point Guards:
1 Stockton - If assists were all a point guard was measured on than
there could be no argument. However, he is near the all time steals
lead and is consistently in the top 10 in shooting percentage even
though most of his shots are from the outside.
2 Anfernee Hardaway - If you have any doubts, just wait. The only two
people I've ever seen with a greater court sense were named Magic and
Bird, 'nuff said. When Orlando becomes the dominating team of the
future it will have as much to do with Penny as that other guy.
3 Payton - The 3rd reason why Seattle has such a good team. Payton is
an excellent scorer and passer. Good penetrator who always finds
the open man when he draws the double team.
4 Tim Hardaway - Has come back strong after injury, great passer, the
best cross-over dribble in the game. Too bad there is no one named
Chris to pass to.
5 Help me out and take your pick - Price, Anderson, Abdul-Raulf,
Strickland, Blaylock, K. Johnson, A. Johnson, Bogues, Barros,
Armstrong, Skiles...?
I'm sure to get some arguments, there's probably a few people I've
overlooked, but I tried to make the list as comprehensive as my memory
would allow. I welcome and look forward to any comments.
Sphinx Drummond
Nick Leverton
Yeechang Lee <yl...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>|"Deseret Ranches of Florida" is still owned directly by the church.
>|It is apparently the secnond largest ranch in the country and a major
>|money maker. BTW, after the governments, the church is the largest
>|land holder in Florida of all places! It must be this ranch.
>
>I thought the Church was the 3rd-largest land owner in Florida, after
>the government and Disney.
No - surely it's the Queen of England ? She apparently owns more land
than anyone else, I think even more than the Church.
Nick "antidisestablishmentarianismically" Leverton
Aneesh Patel
: Position by position look at best players in the NBA... comments please.
: Centers:
: 1 Hakeem - No argument, simply the best (and best overall player)
: 2 Robinson - versatile, quick, but lacks Hakeem's strength & range.
: 3 Ewing - better range than Robinson, but slower and less consistent, a
: proven winner with a nasty attitude, sometimes too emotional.
Ewing has a nasty attitude? You must be kidding: Ewing is the ONLY classy
player on the Knicks! He's usually yelling at his own players like
Starks & Greg Anthony because they're stupid and over-aggressive. I'm not
unbiased however, because I went to the same high school as Ewing (8
years after he left).
: 4 O'Neal - Awesome physical presence, one dimensional player but
: virtually unstoppable within 10 feet, his scoring is helped
: immensely by Hardaway, Anderson & Scott spreading out the defense.
: Slowlydeveloping his range. Will get better.
: 5 Mourning - more developed & better all around than Shaq but lacks his
: physical size/strength has that same nasty attitude that Ew ing
: has--must be a Georgetown thing. Will get better.
: Power Forwards:
: 1 Malone - As far as PF's go, he is in a class of his own. Scores,
: rebounds, a good defender, doesn't appear to have a weakness.
: 2 Barkey - As soon as Green comes in the game, Charles becomes the best
: SF in the league. Great strength, determination, and range. No one
: matches his intensity. Maybe too emotional.
Excuse me, I believe there is a player in Chicago by the name of Scottie
Pippen, who is a MUCH MUCH betterr SF than Barkley. I'm not sure Malone
is better than Sir Charles if you look at career stats.
: 3 L. Johnson - The only question is his durability. Great strength,
: good range. Needs to stay healthy.
: 4 Kemp - There's 3 reasons why Seattle's one of the best teams in the
: league and Kemp is one of them. Seems like he's been around a long
: time and he is only, 23 or 24 years old.
: 5 Help me out and take your pick - Oakley, Willis, Rodman, Weber, L.
: Vaught, LaPhonso Ellis, Horace Grant, Thorpe, Buck, Weatherspoon, T.
: Hill, Coleman, Kukoc, B Grant...?
: Small Forwards:
: 1 Pippen - has a complete game, he can pass, shoot, rebound & defend.
: But he quit and sat out the last play of the game when he wasn't the
: go-to-guy. Yesterday on a last second shot attempt he double clutched
: and came up short.
: 2 Schrempf - Complete offensive game, excellent passer & ball handler,
: can play any position, good outside & inside. The 2nd reason why
: Seattle's one of the best team.s
: 3 C. Robinson - Strictly offense, good passer, good outside & inside.
Cliff Robinson is a POWER FORWARD!
: 4 G. Hill - Sure he's a rookie. The Big Dog was drafted before him and
: no one is happier than the Pistons. Will be the best soon. Like
: Pippen he has a complete game; defense, passing, amazing creator in
: the open court. Have to see to appreciate.
: 5 Help me out and take your pick - Elliott, Mashburn, Rice, G.
: Robinson, C. Person, Horry, McKey, C. Smith, Augmon....?
: Shooting Guards:
: 1 Drexler - Not a weak spot to his game, literally does it all. Over
: the past 10 years only Jordan has done more from the 2 guard spot. An
: amazing creator. He is proving the doubters wrong, still has some
: mileage left.
: 2 Richmond - Mitch seems to always be able to get his shot off. Great
: jump shooter, good in the open court, strong when posting up.
: 3 Sprewell - The best of the new breed, spectacular offensive player,
: needs to improve defense and outside shooting. Loves to take it to
: the hoop. Will get better. Should be the best at his position within
: 2 years.
Sprewell has had at least 100 stealss in each of the last 3 years! HE
CAN plAY DEFENSE!
: 4 Dumars - All around skills but lacks the size of most 2
guards.
: Deserves respect for what he has done, also like Drexler, he has a
: few miles left. Maybe this was my sentimental pick.
: 5 Help me out and take your pick - J. Jackson, J.R. Rider, D. Majerle,
: Starks, R. Miller, S.Smith, Hornecek, Owens, Porter, Gill...?
John Starks & Majerle are too inconsistent. Owens is a forward. Hornacek
is one of the 5 best 2 guards in the NBA (he has a fieldgoal %age of 54%!)
: Point Guards:
Jeffrey Burgoyne
|> Ewing has a nasty attitude? You must be kidding: Ewing is the ONLY classy
|> player on the Knicks! He's usually yelling at his own players like
|> Starks & Greg Anthony because they're stupid and over-aggressive. I'm not
|> unbiased however, because I went to the same high school as Ewing (8
|> years after he left).
I think Oak is classier than Ewing. Ewing never shuts up, and
usually cannot back waht he says.
|> : Power Forwards:
|> Excuse me, I believe there is a player in Chicago by the name of Scottie
|> Pippen, who is a MUCH MUCH betterr SF than Barkley. I'm not sure Malone
|> is better than Sir Charles if you look at career stats.
Pippin is a SF.
|> : Small Forwards:
|> : 1 Pippen - has a complete game, he can pass, shoot, rebound & defend.
Note he is first in this catagorie.
|> Cliff Robinson is a POWER FORWARD!
Then how are Thorpe and Buck Williams combining for so many minutes
per game?
Jeff
Rick Ford
> Position by position look at best players in the NBA... comments please.
> Centers:
> 1 Hakeem - No argument, simply the best (and best overall player)
> 2 Robinson - versatile, quick, but lacks Hakeem's strength & range.
> 3 Ewing - better range than Robinson, but slower and less consistent, a
> proven winner with a nasty attitude, sometimes too emotional.
I can see both Hakeem and Robinson over Shaq (for now....) but to put
Ewing above him too is just plain silly. I would even take Mourning
over Ewing.
> 4 O'Neal - Awesome physical presence, one dimensional player but
> virtually unstoppable within 10 feet, his scoring is helped
> immensely by Hardaway, Anderson & Scott spreading out the defense.
> Slowlydeveloping his range. Will get better.
MUCH better!
> 5 Mourning - more developed & better all around than Shaq but lacks his
> physical size/strength has that same nasty attitude that Ew ing
> has--must be a Georgetown thing. Will get better.
> Power Forwards:
> 1 Malone - As far as PF's go, he is in a class of his own. Scores,
> rebounds, a good defender, doesn't appear to have a weakness.
> 2 Barkey - As soon as Green comes in the game, Charles becomes the best
> SF in the league. Great strength, determination, and range. No one
> matches his intensity. Maybe too emotional.
Sean Kemp is a better PF than LJ. LJ is practically a SF now with his
back being weaker.
> 3 L. Johnson - The only question is his durability. Great strength,
> good range. Needs to stay healthy.
> 4 Kemp - There's 3 reasons why Seattle's one of the best teams in the
> league and Kemp is one of them. Seems like he's been around a long
> time and he is only, 23 or 24 years old.
> 5 Help me out and take your pick - Oakley, Willis, Rodman, Weber, L.
> Vaught, LaPhonso Ellis, Horace Grant, Thorpe, Buck, Weatherspoon, T.
> Hill, Coleman, Kukoc, B Grant...?
> Small Forwards:
> 1 Pippen - has a complete game, he can pass, shoot, rebound & defend.
> But he quit and sat out the last play of the game when he wasn't the
> go-to-guy. Yesterday on a last second shot attempt he double clutched
> and came up short.
> 2 Schrempf - Complete offensive game, excellent passer & ball handler,
> can play any position, good outside & inside. The 2nd reason why
> Seattle's one of the best teams
Once again, your 3Guy is my 4Guy and your vice versa. In five years
Grant Hill will be one of the three best players in the league. He's
almost there already.
> 3 C. Robinson - Strictly offense, good passer, good outside & inside.
> 4 G. Hill - Sure he's a rookie. The Big Dog was drafted before him and
> no one is happier than the Pistons. Will be the best soon. Like
> Pippen he has a complete game; defense, passing, amazing creator in
> the open court. Have to see to appreciate.
> 5 Help me out and take your pick - Elliott, Mashburn, Rice, G.
> Robinson, C. Person, Horry, McKey, C. Smith,Augmon....?
> Shooting Guards:
> 1 Drexler - Not a weak spot to his game, literally does it all. Over
> the past 10 years only Jordan has done more from the 2 guard spot. An
> amazing creator. He is proving the doubters wrong, still has some
> mileage left.
How can you possibly think that Clyde is better than the Richmond.
This is just beyond me. Perhaps you're letting Clyde's reputation get
in the way of his actual ability.
No arguements here.
>
> I'm sure to get some arguments, there's probably a few people I've
> overlooked, but I tried to make the list as comprehensive as my memory
> would allow. I welcome and look forward to any comments.
> Sphinx Drummond
-Rick
Pat Vaughan
>
> Um, it's the other way around. At least, it has been since 1973.
>
Twit.
Soulfinger
here?"
Barbara Hamel
> Now I like basketball and all, but why hasn't someone said "why is this
> here?"
It's a Zen thing. It's here because it wanted to be.
Barbara "one with everything to go" Hamel
--
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ag...@freenet.carleton.ca | "goo-yee-blay") means "loving or affectionate."
| - snopes