Dudley Doright meets Y2K
Terry Nielsen
police force) today issued a press statement recommending that citizens
stock up on some basic provisions prior to the rollover to Y2K.
Suggestions were one months supply of food and water, and some cash.
The spokesman said that he "didn't want to cause a panic" but felt that
people should be prepared "just in case".
ObTWIAVBP: Dudley Doright = A quite humourous USA'n cartoon from the
early 60's depicting a somewhat dimwitted Canadian Mountie that
nonetheless never failed to get his man. Replete with Canadian
stereotypes.
--
-Terry Nielsen
Maple Ridge, B.C.
Canada
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
little known fun fact - also, Dudley Do-Right was banned by the CBC
during "Rocky & Bullwinkle" 's original run, due to complaints about
self-same sterotypes by at-the-time-humourless Canadians.
Dan "nobody here complained about similar stereotypes by Bob & Doug
MacKenzie, who were created in response to the CBC asking for more
Canadian content" Dreibelbis
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docW
> <<<<<<<< snip >>>>>>>>>
>ObTWIAVBP: Dudley Doright = A quite humourous USA'n cartoon from the
>early 60's depicting a somewhat dimwitted Canadian Mountie that
>nonetheless never failed to get his man. Replete with Canadian
>stereotypes.
>
Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
Terry Nielsen
pull out. I do remember the villian was Snidely Whiplash.
Steve Jones
>
> docW wrote:
> >
> > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
> >
> That one has me stumped too. I have some Bullwinkle videos I'll have to
> pull out. I do remember the villian was Snidely Whiplash.
>
If I remember correctly Dudley's horse was named "Horse".
Steve "Inspector Fenwick" Jones
Bryan Oakley
>
> docW wrote:
> >
> > > <<<<<<<< snip >>>>>>>>>
> > >ObTWIAVBP: Dudley Doright = A quite humourous USA'n cartoon from the
> > >early 60's depicting a somewhat dimwitted Canadian Mountie that
> > >nonetheless never failed to get his man. Replete with Canadian
> > >stereotypes.
> > >
> >
> >
> That one has me stumped too. I have some Bullwinkle videos I'll have to
> pull out. I do remember the villian was Snidely Whiplash.
And his sweetheart was "Nell", wasn't it?
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Bill Pringle
Steve Jones wrote in message <367932BB...@technettn.com>...
>
>
>If I remember correctly Dudley's horse was named "Horse".
That's the way I remember it too. Horse.
Bill Pringle
Jared Hinman
> little known fun fact - also, Dudley Do-Right was banned by the CBC
>during "Rocky & Bullwinkle" 's original run, due to complaints about
>self-same sterotypes by at-the-time-humourless Canadians.
With the CBC that might have meant almost 2 letters of complaint. Right
now I a not sure why our tax dollars need to go to fund the CBC.
Jared Hinman
Ben Walsh
>With the CBC that might have meant almost 2 letters of complaint. Right
>now I a not sure why our tax dollars need to go to fund the CBC.
Because otherwise there would have been no "Shivers".
ben "are you suggesting that would be a good thing?" w.
cwp
>
> Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
His horse's name was "Horse."
The real question, though, is...
Where did Bullwinkle go to college?
cwp
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And the lovely Nell was in love with Horse.
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Fluffy
> Where did Bullwinkle go to college?
Wossamotta U.
Mw.,
Fluf `looks like I picked a good day to be reading about Jay Ward' fy
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"FEAST!"
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Steve Jones
>
> docW wrote:
> >
> > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
>
> His horse's name was "Horse."
> The real question, though, is...
>
Steve "Wassamatta U." Jones
Leia
>
> The real question, though, is...
> Where did Bullwinkle go to college?
>
Whatsamatta U.?
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Free-rangin' Chicken
> docW wrote:
> >
> > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
>
> His horse's name was "Horse."
> The real question, though, is...
> Where did Bullwinkle go to college?
>
I assume that would be "Wotsamattuh U."
So what do I win?
--Deeirrccckk
James Nicoll
Jared Hinman <jhi...@gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>dre...@idirect.com (Daniel L. Dreibelbis) writes:
>
>> little known fun fact - also, Dudley Do-Right was banned by the CBC
>>during "Rocky & Bullwinkle" 's original run, due to complaints about
>>self-same sterotypes by at-the-time-humourless Canadians.
>
>now I a not sure why our tax dollars need to go to fund the CBC.
>
by the mid to late 1960s.
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RRS
> There werseveral instances where Horse was also called Steed
No, no, no. Steed was in The Avengers and he sometimes *rode* horses.
Robin "My Little Pony" Storesund
Andy Walton
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Caren Weiner Campbell
>
[regarding Dudley Doright's girlfriend]
> And the lovely Nell was in love with Horse.
Hmmm--perhaps a veiled reference to Catherine the Great?
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Lon Stowell
>Antidisestablishmentarianism wrote:
>
>> There werseveral instances where Horse was also called Steed
>
>No, no, no. Steed was in The Avengers and he sometimes *rode* horses.
>
I'm sorry, but if you must mention the Avengers, you must
mention the exquisite Ms. Rigg.
Antidisestablishmentarianism
>
> docW wrote:
> >
> > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
>
> His horse's name was "Horse."
.
.
There werseveral instances where Horse was also called Steed
Ray
Terry Nielsen
>
> In article <75bif7$9a4$1...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
> Jared Hinman <jhi...@gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
> >dre...@idirect.com (Daniel L. Dreibelbis) writes:
> >
> >> little known fun fact - also, Dudley Do-Right was banned by the CBC
> >>during "Rocky & Bullwinkle" 's original run, due to complaints about
> >>self-same sterotypes by at-the-time-humourless Canadians.
>
> >
> by the mid to late 1960s.
I don't know about in Canada, but Rocky and Bullwinkle first aired on
ABC in 1959.
--
James Wallis
<wilm...@bellsouth.net> writes
>cwp wrote:
>> docW wrote:
>> >
>> > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
>>
>> His horse's name was "Horse."
>
Uncanny. For in the poem "The Horse" by Grimble, aged about ten, we find
the lines:
A horse has got more legs than I
But fewer than a centipede
He wears a bridle instead of a tie
And is sometimes called a steed
The End.
Cite: "Grimble" by Clement Freud, before he was Clement Freud MP and
long before he became Lord Freud.
--
James "Grimble for Laureate" Wallis
(ja...@erstwhile.demon.co.uk)
GrapeApe
>That's the way I remember it too. Horse.
Oft confused with Nell.
By the way, how much horse is Dudly asking us to hoard for Y2k?
GrapeApe
>
>
>I'm sorry, but if you must mention the Avengers, you must
>mention the exquisite Ms. Rigg.
M. appeal. Male Appeal. Emma Peel. But everyone knew her as Nancy
Bill Pringle
Leia wrote in message <3679667A...@spamsux.org>...
>cwp wrote:
>>
>
>> The real question, though, is...
>> Where did Bullwinkle go to college?
>>
>
I recall their great rival football team was Tick Tock Tech.
Bill Pringle
Nick Spalding
> I'm sorry, but if you must mention the Avengers, you must
> mention the exquisite Ms. Rigg.
Are you referring to Dame Diana Rigg?
--
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Jared Hinman
>Jared Hinman wrote in message <75bif7$9a4$1...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>...
>>With the CBC that might have meant almost 2 letters of complaint. Right
>>now I a not sure why our tax dollars need to go to fund the CBC.
>Because otherwise there would have been no "Shivers".
If it is a show worth watching it can make it on its own without my tax
dollars helping.
Jared Hinman
GrapeApe
>> mention the exquisite Ms. Rigg.
>Are you referring to Dame Diana Rigg?
Yes, she was an exquisite dame wasn't she...
Ben Walsh
An exquisite, leather-clad Dame. I only saw the series for the first time
last year. Nowadays, of course, the kids have their loud music and their
pornography, but my then flatmate commented that at the time she must have
figured heavily in the imaginations of a generation of teenage boys.
ben "nothing like a dame" w.
Charles A. Lieberman
> recommending that citizens
> stock up on some basic provisions prior to the rollover to Y2K.
> Suggestions were one months supply of food and water, and some cash.
>
> The spokesman said that he "didn't want to cause a panic"
I'll bite: what would he have advised if he *did* want to cause a panic?
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Darren S A George
>
> With the CBC that might have meant almost 2 letters of complaint.
> Right now I a not sure why our tax dollars need to go to fund the CBC.
So that we can have at least one channel that won't be pre-empted for
the impeachment hearings?
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RRS
> >Are you referring to Dame Diana Rigg?
>
> Yes, she was an exquisite dame wasn't she...
She ain't dead yet.
Robin "and still exquisite" Storesund
RRS
> An exquisite, leather-clad Dame. I only saw the series for the first time
> last year. Nowadays, of course, the kids have their loud music and their
> pornography, but my then flatmate commented that at the time she must have
> figured heavily in the imaginations of a generation of teenage boys.
Along with the also leather-clad Julie Newmar as Catwoman on Batman.
Robin "best of the three" Storesund
Terry Nielsen
> Terry Nielsen
> > recommending that citizens
> > stock up on some basic provisions prior to the rollover to Y2K.
> > Suggestions were one months supply of food and water, and some cash.
> >
> > The spokesman said that he "didn't want to cause a panic"
>
> I'll bite: what would he have advised if he *did* want to cause a panic?
Hence the Dudley Doright analogy.
Charles A. Lieberman
> >Because otherwise there would have been no "Shivers".
>
> If it is a show worth watching it can make it on its own without my tax
> dollars helping.
I think this is starting to get off-topic.
Simon Slavin
Antidisestablishmentarianism <wilm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> cwp wrote:
> >
> > docW wrote:
> > >
> > > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
> >
> > His horse's name was "Horse.".
> .
> There werseveral instances where Horse was also called Steed
Well now we know what his name was and what he was called, could
someone tell me what he actually was ?
Simon.
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Simon Slavin
grap...@aol.com (GrapeApe) wrote:
> >> There werseveral instances where Horse was also called Steed
> >
> >No, no, no. Steed was in The Avengers and he sometimes *rode* horses.
>
> >I'm sorry, but if you must mention the Avengers, you must
> >mention the exquisite Ms. Rigg.
I think you mean 'Dame Diana Rigg' who I saw recently in _Who's
Afraid of Virginia Wolf ?_. I enjoyed it so much I actually
considered going again.
> M. appeal. Male Appeal. Emma Peel.
I appear to be almost entirely pun-blind. I watched the series
for years and never noticed that pun.
> But everyone knew her as Nancy
What ? I can only remember her being called "Miss Peel".
David Scheidt
: In article <36799E...@bellsouth.net>,
: Antidisestablishmentarianism <wilm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
: > cwp wrote:
: > > docW wrote:
: > > > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
: > > His horse's name was "Horse.".
: Well now we know what his name was and what he was called, could
: someone tell me what he actually was ?
A cartoon.
David "HTH" Scheidt
Mike Holmans
>cwp wrote:
>>
>
>> The real question, though, is...
>> Where did Bullwinkle go to college?
>>
>
>Whatsamatta U.?
Of course, they gotta no respect.
Mike "shaddap your face" Holmans Music Theatre
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Mike Holmans
[Emma Peel]
>> But everyone knew her as Nancy
>
>What ? I can only remember her being called "Miss Peel".
Your memory creaks. Steed, at least, always called her "*Mrs* Peel".
Mike "but what did he call Honor Blackman and Linda Thorson?" Holmans
Phil Edwards
>Your memory creaks. Steed, at least, always called her "*Mrs* Peel".
>
>Mike "but what did he call Honor Blackman and Linda Thorson?" Holmans
'Mrs Gale' and 'Mrs Blithering Amateur', of course.
Phil "-ra-boom-de-ay" Edwards
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Phil Edwards
>> > His horse's name was "Horse.".
>> .
>> There werseveral instances where Horse was also called Steed
>
>Well now we know what his name was and what he was called, could
>someone tell me what he actually was ?
Actual Dialogue From This Very Day:
Me: There's a film on this afternoon
S. and h.: What is it?
Me: The Sound of Music.
S&h: What's it called?
Me: It's called The Sound of Music.
S&h: But what's the sound of music called?
Me: Well, it's just called The Sound of Music.
S&h (growing agitated): But what's the music called?
Phil "one of us here is crazy" Edwards
RRS
>
> Mike Holmans <pos...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Mike "but what did he call Honor Blackman and Linda Thorson?" Holmans
>
> 'Mrs Gale' and 'Mrs Blithering Amateur', of course.
You mean _Ms_ Blithering Amateur.
Robin "ta ra ra BOOM dee ay" Storesund
RRS
> Mike "but what did he call Honor Blackman and Linda Thorson?" Holmans
Not to mention Joanna Lumley.
Robin "as Purdey" Storesund
Crash
> In article <36799E...@bellsouth.net>,
> Antidisestablishmentarianism <wilm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > cwp wrote:
> > > docW wrote:
> > > > Dang. What was the name of Dudley Dorights' horse?
> Well now we know what his name was and what he was called, could
> someone tell me what he actually was ?
>
You mean as in , "is Goofy a dog or what?"
A zebra, obviously.
--
Crash "The guy with the coat with the Goofy collar" Johnson
Bill Pringle
Phil Edwards wrote in message
>Actual Dialogue From This Very Day:
>
>Me: There's a film on this afternoon
>S. and h.: What is it?
>Me: The Sound of Music.
>S&h: What's it called?
>Me: It's called The Sound of Music.
>S&h: But what's the sound of music called?
>Me: Well, it's just called The Sound of Music.
>S&h (growing agitated): But what's the music called?
Sound like an old Abbot and Costello gag?
Bill "who's on first" Pringle
Phil Edwards
>Phil Edwards wrote:
>>
>> Mike Holmans <pos...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >Mike "but what did he call Honor Blackman and Linda Thorson?" Holmans
>>
>> 'Mrs Gale' and 'Mrs Blithering Amateur', of course.
>
>You mean _Ms_ Blithering Amateur.
Do I? Really? I'm genuinely intrigued - I thought Ms in English usage
postdated the last of the original Avengers. I'd be interested in any
evidence to the contrary.
Phil "perhaps I should get out more" Edwards
RRS
>
> RRS <dez...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >You mean _Ms_ Blithering Amateur.
>
> Do I? Really? I'm genuinely intrigued - I thought Ms in English usage
> postdated the last of the original Avengers. I'd be interested in any
> evidence to the contrary.
Hm-m-m. Perhaps I misremember. It could be differences between when the
show aired in the UK and the US. The Tara King episodes of The Avengers
aired here in the US around 1969-70 (don't know when they aired in the
UK) and even though Ms magazine didn't start publishing until around '72
or '73 I recall the term being bantied about before its appearance (that
is to say, during my college years.) So, it seemed that the term would
have applied to her.
Robin "I could be wrong" Storesund
RRS
> >> 'Mrs Gale' and 'Mrs Blithering Amateur', of course.
> >
> >You mean _Ms_ Blithering Amateur.
>
> Do I? Really? I'm genuinely intrigued - I thought Ms in English usage
> postdated the last of the original Avengers.
Ooh! Ooh! I'd forgotten that the reason I had posted that to begin with,
before I was sidetracked by the chronology of the tern "Ms" was the I
was pretty sure Tara King was not a *Mrs.* Unlike Mrs. Peel's missing
husband who showed up to driver her away in her final episode there
wasn't a Mr. King lurking in the background.
Robin "and she didn't strike me as a Miss" Storesund
RRS
> My big dic[1], published in 1972, has no entry for Ms.
According to www.feminist.com, Ms magazine was founded in 1972. It
doesn't go into greater detail about the magazine, but I recall that the
publishers chose that for their magazine's name because the women's
movement had been promoting the term as a title apppropriate to an adult
woman whose marital status was unknown or for a woman who might choose
to have a title free of marital reference, married or not. It's not
unlikely that such a term might not find its way into a dictionary
immediately, but I do know that many feminists were using the term
before the publication of the magazine. I shall see if I can get any
firmer dates on it use.
Robin "it's so convenient to use, too" Storesund
Viv
Phil Edwards wrote
:RRS wrote:
:>Phil Edwards wrote:
:>
:>> >Mike "but what did he call Honor Blackman and Linda Thorson?" Holmans
:>> 'Mrs Gale' and 'Mrs Blithering Amateur', of course.
:>
:>You mean _Ms_ Blithering Amateur.
:
:Do I? Really? I'm genuinely intrigued - I thought Ms in English usage
:evidence to the contrary.
My big dic[1], published in 1972, has no entry for Ms.
Vivienne "but I use it anyway - oh my I'm giddy with iconoclasm" Smythe
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New Edition 1972 reprinted 1976 ISBN 0-550-10206-X
mince...@usa.net
dez...@adelphia.net wrote:
> Viv wrote:
>
> > My big dic[1], published in 1972, has no entry for Ms.
>
> that the publishers chose that for their magazine's name because the women's
> movement had been promoting the term as a title apppropriate to an adult
> woman whose marital status was unknown or for a woman who might choose
> that many feminists were using the term before the publication of the
> magazine. I shall see if I can get any firmer dates on it use.
Personal experience puts it at 1956, when I'd get embarrassed about not
knowing which title (Miss or Mrs.) was correct. Mumbling seemed a good idea
("Hi, Mzzzz Benson") and it appeared to have worked as long as I mumbled it
quickly and softly enough.
Unfortunately, I never mumbled it in writing. So there goes any chance of
producing a proper cite.
At the time, I'd not heard of the Mzzzz usage. Thought I was pretty damned
clever, I did.
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Margaret Kane Schoen
Crash wrote:
As an aside, I was at Disney World last year and I went up (on a dare
from my husband) and asked one of the non-costumed people (she was a
Goofy "handler" as I recall) about that. Specifically, If Goofy is a
dog, and Pluto is a dog, why does Goofy wear clothes and Pluto doesn't?
She didn't even blink, but politely asked me to wait a minute and went
inside a little building nearby and picked up a phone. She asked whoever
answered the phone (Walt? Michael Eisner?) that question, waited a
couple of minutes and came back with this answer:
"Pluto is a dog. Goofy is a dog with human characteristics."
There you go.
Margaret "human with sloth characteristics" Schoen
RRS
> >> 'Mrs Gale' and 'Mrs Blithering Amateur', of course.
> >
> >You mean _Ms_ Blithering Amateur.
>
> Do I? Really? I'm genuinely intrigued - I thought Ms in English usage
> postdated the last of the original Avengers.
Well, according to A History of The Avengers, by Gareth Humphreys, at
http://www.titanium-duck.com/~avengers/avengers/avhistory.html, Tara
King was neither a Ms nor a Mrs.--she was a good, old fashioned Miss.
I'd say that regardless of when the title Ms was in usage, if she was
introduced as a Miss, that's what she was. I stand corrected.
Robin "actually, I sit corrected" Storesund
Phil Edwards
>Phil Edwards wrote:
>>
>> I'm genuinely intrigued - I thought Ms in English usage
>> postdated the last of the original Avengers.
>
>Ooh! Ooh! I'd forgotten that the reason I had posted that to begin with,
>before I was sidetracked by the chronology of the tern "Ms" was the I
>was pretty sure Tara King was not a *Mrs.*
Yep. Now I think of it, the last episode of the original run of the
Avengers featured Steed & King unchaperoned in a rocket. Blasting off.
Opening a bottle of champagne.
Phil "add a train going into a tunnel and you'll be in the right area"
Edwards
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RRS
>
> Personal experience puts it at 1956, when I'd get embarrassed about not
> knowing which title (Miss or Mrs.) was correct. Mumbling seemed a good idea
> ("Hi, Mzzzz Benson") and it appeared to have worked as long as I mumbled it
> quickly and softly enough
Isn't that an old suthrun tradition? But spleld Miz rather than Ms. My
mother in Maryland has always been Miz Doris to the little kids in her
neighborhood, and I think I've read it in some books (although that may
have been attempts at dialect.)
Ms Schmitz, are you known as Miz JoAnne down there in Baltimore?
Robin "just hold on there, Missy" Storesund
JoAnne Schmitz
It's Miss JoAnne. I had a neighbor lady known as Miss Lillian even though she
was about 80 and married. What neighborhood is your mother in?
JoAnne "good as a mile" Schmitz
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Robin Mitchell
>Phil Edwards wrote
>:Do I? Really? I'm genuinely intrigued - I thought Ms in English usage
>:postdated the last of the original Avengers. I'd be interested in any
>:evidence to the contrary.
>
>My big dic[1], published in 1972, has no entry for Ms.
My big dic[1] gives the following usage note for Ms.:
Ms. came into use in the 1950's as a title before a woman's surname
when her marital status was unknown or irrelevant. In the early
1970's, the use of Ms. was adopted and encouraged by the women's
movement...
My small dic[2], published in 1974, also lists it.
But my *really* big dic[3] makes no mention of it all, as you'd expect.
And _in re_ another branch of this thread, the big dic gives the
following pronunciation note:
Ms. is pronounced (miz), a pronunciation that is identical with one
standard South Midland and Southern U.S. pronunciation of Mrs.
-- Robin "the Aardvark of Zydeco" Mitchell
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[5] But still a really, really big dic
danny burstein
>It's Miss JoAnne. I had a neighbor lady known as Miss Lillian even though she
>was about 80 and married. What neighborhood is your mother in?
Did your neighbo[u]r have a son named Billy, and another named Jimmy?
danny 'sounds pretty Plain(s) to me' burstein
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RRS
> It's Miss JoAnne. I had a neighbor lady known as Miss Lillian even though she
> was about 80 and married. What neighborhood is your mother in?
She lives in a suburb of Baltimore. My grandmother lived in Baltimore
city near the old stadium (when she was alive anyway) and was also
called Miz, but with her surname instead of her given name. After
reading Robin Mitchell's post with her big dic's quotes I gather that I
was just hearing as Miz what was being said as Mrs. Except that in my
mother's case, Mrs. Doris doesn't sound right. I will have to ask her
what the kids are actually saying.
Robin "after I drink some warter" Storesund
Chuck
<mk...@zd.com> wrote:
>"Pluto is a dog. Goofy is a dog with human characteristics."
Or, were they trying to hide the REAL truth from you: Goofy is really
a HUMAN, with DOG characteristics, the result of an early, and tragic
failure in genetic engineering.....
Chuck "A Tabula Rasa with no characteristics" Holcomb
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Phil Edwards
>Well, according to A History of The Avengers, by Gareth Humphreys, at
>http://www.titanium-duck.com/~avengers/avengers/avhistory.html, Tara
>King was neither a Ms nor a Mrs.--she was a good, old fashioned Miss.
The same site also describes Emma Peel as 'a young widow'. So who was
that man who drove her away, we wonder.
Phil "albeit not for very long" Edwards
Simon Slavin
amr...@zetnet.co.uk (Phil Edwards) wrote:
> RRS <dez...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >Well, according to A History of The Avengers, by Gareth Humphreys, at
> >http://www.titanium-duck.com/~avengers/avengers/avhistory.html, Tara
> >King was neither a Ms nor a Mrs.--she was a good, old fashioned Miss.
>
> The same site also describes Emma Peel as 'a young widow'. So who was
> that man who drove her away, we wonder.
If I recall correctly, there was some doubt about the condition of
Mr. Peel: he was an explorer or engaged in some other risky activity
and there was no proof that he was alive and none that he was dead.
Simon.
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> > Where did Bullwinkle go to college?
> Steve "Wassamatta U." Jones
Just got the company newsletter today and the Interactive divison[1] of the
company I work for is putting out a CD-ROM game called "Rocky & Bullwinkle's
Know-It-All Quiz Game" and players get to captain a team from either
Pottsylvania, Frostbite Falls, or *Wossamotta[2] U.* Players get to choose two
teammates from characters in the series. More software programs based on the
series are planned.
Robin "I choose Mr. Peabody for my know-it-all" Storesund
[1] Not the division *I* work in, so I don't stand to gain from this shameless
product plug.
[2] I was certain this was a typo and imagined all the "B" printing expenses
once it was pointed out to the powers that be. Checked the R&B web sites and,
shirley enough, it's spled Wossamotta.
Charles A. Lieberman
> I thought Ms in English usage
> postdated the last of the original Avengers. I'd be interested in any
> evidence to the contrary.
I doubt there were any television shows that ended in the 17th century.
Judith Martin in _Miss Manners' Guide for the Turn-of-the-Millenium_
(1990, ISBN 0-671-72228-X) says "[Ms] has been documented as far back as
the seventeenth century," (page 75) although I admit she doesn't document
it herself.
Charles "this sat in my outbox until I could find a cite" Lieberman
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Dave Wilton
Lieberman) wrote:
>Phil Edwards
>> I thought Ms in English usage
>> postdated the last of the original Avengers. I'd be interested in any
>> evidence to the contrary.
>
>I doubt there were any television shows that ended in the 17th century.
>Judith Martin in _Miss Manners' Guide for the Turn-of-the-Millenium_
>(1990, ISBN 0-671-72228-X) says "[Ms] has been documented as far back as
>the seventeenth century," (page 75) although I admit she doesn't document
>it herself.
>
>Charles "this sat in my outbox until I could find a cite" Lieberman
Well, the OED2 dates "Ms." to 1952, which is certainly pre-Avengers.
Although that is an American cite. The earliest British cite in the
big dic is from 1970 and that refers to the abbreviation as an
American practice.
Methinks that dear Judith erred in her 17th century cite. The
abbreviation "MS.," meaning manuscript, dates to that century.
--Dave Wilton
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