St. Nick & Krampus or Krumpus
Elroy Ubl
What, if any, is the difference?? Thank you. Elroy E. Ubl.
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Bruce Tindall
>In European tradition, is ST. Nick's side-kick called 'Krampus' or 'Krumpus'?
I wouldn't exactly call him a side-kick, but when I lived in
Austria (the one with Mozart, not the one with Ned Kelly) in
the 1960s it was "Krampus"; never heard of "Krumpus," though
maybe he's called that in other cultures.
(St. Nicholas brings presents to the good kids on his feast day,
December 6; but the bad kids get coal or straw or something yucky
instead, brought by Krampus, a little red-devil figure. Or at
least that's what happened before Merkin pop-kulch hegemony brought
the fat guy in the red suit on Dec. 25.)
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H.W.M.
Is Krampus sometimes the goat that accompanies St.Nick? Back here, we
have the "Christmas Goat" who comes around. He only switched from the
upturned furcoat and a horned mask in the 1920's to the Coca-Cola
Santa Claus...
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Helge Moulding
> In European tradition, is ST. Nick's side-kick called 'Krampus' or
> 'Krumpus'?
European tradition? EIAVBP.
In Germany we had St Nikolaus, Knecht Ruprecht, and Christkind. The
first of the three was often accompanied by the second, the third tended
to work by himself, though KR was occasionally mentioned with him, as
well. For some reason I've never seen the first and third in the same
room together. (Oh, actually, you never *see* the third at all.)
Sometimes St Nikolaus had a black servant called Schwarzer Peter. That
seemed to be part of northern German tradition, although I'm not sure.
Keep in mind that when I say "in Germany we" I mean my immediate family
and friends, plus cultural material that was pushed at me in the course
of growing up and attending German public schools. Germany, though
barely bigger than Utah, has many cultural traditions that are very
localized and highly idiosyncratic. I suspect that the same goes for all
of the European countries that I know even less about than the country
in which I was born and raised.
Can you tell us more about what part of Europe you are talking about?
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Bruce Tindall
Is he any relation to Peter "Hand me the pliers" Bergman?
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J. Bigger
JRB
H.W.M. wrote:
> Bruce Tindall wrote:
> >
> > Elroy Ubl <his...@ic.new-ulm.mn.us> wrote:
> > >In European tradition, is ST. Nick's side-kick called 'Krampus' or 'Krumpus'?
> >
Ralph Barczewska
> (St. Nicholas brings presents to the good kids on his feast day,
> December 6; but the bad kids get coal or straw or something yucky
> instead, brought by Krampus, a little red-devil figure. Or at
> least that's what happened before Merkin pop-kulch hegemony brought
> the fat guy in the red suit on Dec. 25.)
Merkin Pop-culture has no influence on Tradition. My daughter (10yrs old), found
three treats and 3 stones in her slipper on the 6th. She knows why she got three
stones.
If the so-called norm is prevalent, then it's the parents themselves to blame.
Ralph'let's see,... we're aproaching the third advent'Barczewska