kraft dinner story
breon halling
the two guys who were attending mcgill university (in montreal,
quebec, canada) were living alone and, being poor students, they
weren'y eating that well. in fact, they were eating kraft dinner
(that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
the states, too) three times a day, for about two or three months.
however, one day, one of them started feeling kind of strange so (s)he
decided to go to the local walk-in clinic, and get it checked out. the
doctor examined him/her and looked a wee bit puzzled, so he (the
doctor) said "let me check a medical textbook. i'll get back to you."
so, off went the student (rather worried, to say the least - i mean
how often does a doctor have to check a medical textbook during a
check-up), and a couple of days later, (s)he got a phone call from the
doctor, asking him/her to come in to the clinic again.
back in the clinic, the doctor is there with about four or five other
doctors. "listen," said the first doctor. "i had to check my textbook
to confirm this, but it turns out that you have scurvy! these other
doctors are just here to examine you. they've never encountered it
before... neither have i."
well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
vitamin c to keep you going!
let me know if anyone else has ever heard this (or variations, since i
find it kind of improbable (though not impossible).
breon "just cause it's got cheese doesn't mean it's healthy" halling.
br...@netscape.net
K. D.
breon halling wrote in message <380b6ad0...@news.psi.ca>...
>here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
>
>the two guys who were attending mcgill university (in montreal,
>quebec, canada) were living alone and, being poor students, they
>weren'y eating that well. in fact, they were eating kraft dinner
>(that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
>the states, too) three times a day, for about two or three months.
<snip>
>well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
>vitamin c to keep you going!
Yes, Kraft and generic knock-offs are widely available here in the states.
I have not heard that story, but while reading thru your rendition, I was
beginning to figure that the punch line would be something about the Kraft
making the kid sterile (a la Mountain Dew) -- that stuff has the most
unnatural yellow / orange color......
Tamex
>here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
>
>the two guys who were attending mcgill university (in montreal,
>quebec, canada) were living alone and, being poor students, they
>weren'y eating that well. in fact, they were eating kraft dinner
>(that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
>the states, too) three times a day, for about two or three months.
Yes, they have it in the US, only it's called Kraft Macaroni and
Cheese--the "dinner" part is in really tiny letters underneath the
word "Cheese".
<snip urban legend where patient is diagnosed with scurvy>
>well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
>vitamin c to keep you going!
Well, I've never heard this legend before, but it does seem possible,
given that, according to the Nutrition Facts label on the side of the
box, Kraft Macaroni and Cheese (dinner) has no (0%) vitamin C in
either the dry of the prepared forms. If you truly ate nothing but
mac 'n' cheese, your diet would be completely lacking in vitamin C.
Tamex "why do I suddenly have this huge craving for orange juice?"
*Remove Tricky Dick to reply*
Pat Dougherty
breon halling wrote:
> here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
>
> the two guys who were attending mcgill university (in montreal,
> quebec, canada) were living alone and, being poor students, they
> weren'y eating that well. in fact, they were eating kraft dinner
> (that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
> the states, too) three times a day, for about two or three months.
>
> however, one day, one of them started feeling kind of strange so (s)he
> decided to go to the local walk-in clinic, and get it checked out. the
> doctor examined him/her and looked a wee bit puzzled, so he (the
> doctor) said "let me check a medical textbook. i'll get back to you."
>
> so, off went the student (rather worried, to say the least - i mean
> how often does a doctor have to check a medical textbook during a
> check-up), and a couple of days later, (s)he got a phone call from the
> doctor, asking him/her to come in to the clinic again.
>
> back in the clinic, the doctor is there with about four or five other
> doctors. "listen," said the first doctor. "i had to check my textbook
> to confirm this, but it turns out that you have scurvy! these other
> doctors are just here to examine you. they've never encountered it
> before... neither have i."
>
> well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
> vitamin c to keep you going!
>
> let me know if anyone else has ever heard this (or variations, since i
> find it kind of improbable (though not impossible).
>
> breon "just cause it's got cheese doesn't mean it's healthy" halling.
> br...@netscape.net
About 1989 I had a college friend that developed scurvy by eating nothing
but ramane (sp?) noodle packs for several months. In his case it was the
only form of cooking he was capable of. Strange but true.
Pat Dougherty
Lee
>
>well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
>vitamin c to keep you going!
Obviously a sign of the poor state of Canadian Nutrition Education.
Lee "not exactly balanced" Boyle
breon halling
well, they _do_ advise that we drink as much beer as possible, and eat
lots of poutine (that's fries, covered in gravy and [oh, god] cheese
curds... it's pretty foul. however, enough beer and it's sitting
pretty.)
breon "i can feel my arteries harden" halling.
br...@netscape.net
breon halling
if this does become a new ul... i want people to know it came from me!
breon "just asking for it" halling.
br...@netscape.net
ps. who started the <first name> "insert witty quote" <last name> ting
(or when did it start)?
Cyclone Ambiguous
>(that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
>the states, too)
A pox on you Canadians and your alternate names for things! There better not be
any mention of a 'lorry' in the rest of this post.
Cyclone Ambiguous
In prophecy of FF9's main character
EAC: Needless Human Expirimentation Division Chief/Sadist In Chief
The Supreme Clone of the Church of Jenova's Witnesses
Wondering why AOL limits me to a 254 character sig in ngs
Bill Schnakenberg
>
> here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
>
> the two guys who were attending mcgill university (in montreal,
> quebec, canada) were living alone and, being poor students, they
> (that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
in the US unless the product may be detrimental to your health, in which
case they limit it to third world countries.
Bill "I think it's an FDA rule" Schnakenberg
PhilT
Cyclone Ambiguous <sma...@aol.comeangetme> wrote in message
news:19991018185410...@ng-fu1.aol.com...
> >in fact, they were eating kraft dinner
> >(that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
> >the states, too)
>
not be
> any mention of a 'lorry' in the rest of this post.
Lorry, lorry, ah yes that would be the ting that delivers the Kraft Dinners
to the shop.
A troll, thread drift and on topic in one post!
PhilT
Chris W.
breon halling wrote:
>
> here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
(snip college students getting scurvy after eating nothing but Kraft
Dinner for 2-3 months)
Although there is no doubt that a diet consisting of *nothing* but Kraft
Dinner would no doubt lead to scurvy (since there is no vitamin C in
either the packaged product or the usual added ingredients), it is
doubtful that the students wouldn't first show signs of other forms of
malnourishment first. Adult scurvy doesn't become active for a period
of 3 to 12 months *following* a severe vitamin C deficiency.[1] Since a
simple urine test will show to be low in vitamin C, it is easy to
diagnose, so it is also doubtful that the doctor would have to consult a
textbook to verify the diagnosis, along with a few basic questions about
diet. However, from personal experience living with college students,
it wouldn't surprise me too much if somebody tried to survive on Kraft
Dinner alone. I personally thank putting ketchup on the stuff for
preventing my own scurvy story.
[1] according to my Funk and Wagnalls Family Medical guide, whose
voracity I mostly trust my health with.
Chris Webb
K. D.
breon halling wrote in message <380c9e28...@news.psi.ca>...
>hey:
>
>if this does become a new ul... i want people to know it came from me!
breon, if anyone asks, I'll make sure you get credit.......
BTW, how long have you been eating that stuff (mac 'n' cheese?) Have you
had your sperm count checked lately? (assuming you are male)
fred klein
>
[snip Kraft mac-n-cheese giving you scurvy due to lack of Vitamin
C]
> well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
> vitamin c to keep you going!
>
> let me know if anyone else has ever heard this (or variations, since i
> find it kind of improbable (though not impossible).
Well, I don't have any Kraft brand macaroni and cheese dinners
available, but on the idea that all the brands are somewhat
similar, I give you the Nutrition facts from a "Finast Macaroni &
Cheese Dinner"-
Serving size- 2.5 oz
(70g/about 1/2 cup macaroni and 1 1/2 tablespoons dry cheese mix)
Makes about 1 cup prepared
Servings per container- about 3
Calories per serving- As packaged: 250
Calories per serving- Prepared: 390
<snip fat,cholesterol,sodium,carbohydrate,protein amounts>
<snip vitamin a, calcium, and iron values>
Vitamin C- As packaged: 0%
Vitamin C- Prepared: 0%
("prepared"= stir into boiling water, boil 7-10 minutes, drain,
add 1/4 cup margarine or butter, 1/4 cup 2% milk and dry cheese
powder, mix well)
So, as we can see, this particular Mac-n-cheese dinner contains 0%
of the recommended daily value of Vitamin C.
So, it is certainly possible that eating nothing but m-n-c dinners
might lead to a deficiency disease. However, I do not know how
long it takes without Vitamin C to develop scurvy. Anyone else
want to pitch in?
Fred "Oranges and Lemons say the bells of St. Clemens" Klein
Sharon Bell
On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, breon halling wrote:
> weren'y eating that well. in fact, they were eating kraft dinner
> (that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
> the states, too) three times a day, for about two or three months.
...
> back in the clinic, the doctor is there with about four or five other
> doctors. "listen," said the first doctor. "i had to check my textbook
> to confirm this, but it turns out that you have scurvy!
Yep I've heard that story before, actually in a book (possible Microserfs?
or some Douglas Copeland thing) and it was in the US not Canada, and it
was one - foreign - student who was trying to save money by only eating
cheap food.
Sharon Bell
*** http://www.ed.ac.uk/~njt21 ***
Too old for this shit
Kiwilerner
Actually, this sounds like a skit by the "Kids in the Hall," the (not
coincidentally) Canadian sketch comedy troupe.
Two *very* poor guys (who earn money singing terrible songs on a street corner)
eat Macaroni and Cheese w/ketchup for months. They end up getting visits from
the Mac&Cheese company, which gives them a lifetime supply of their product;
the ketchup company, which does the same; and a representative from "The Loser
Research Institute," who informs them that they have tapeworms 3 feet long -
and gives them a huge sack of "tapeworm food" as a gift. Of course, the poor
duo accepts all the gifts with unbridled joy.
Perhaps the KitH heard of the UL...
-- Kira
Visit "About Schuyler Falls"
Award-winning online drama at
http://www.skyfalls.com
Ulo Melton
>here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
>[student gets scurvy from a diet rich in Kraft macaroni and cheese]
>let me know if anyone else has ever heard this (or variations, since i
>find it kind of improbable (though not impossible).
The "scurvy from macaroni and cheese" story has been mentioned here once
or twice, though I think this is the first detailed telling we've seen. A
Medline search turns up one mention of a student with scurvy:
Davies IJ, et al.
A case of scurvy in a student.
Postgrad Med J. 1967 Aug;43(502):549-50.
That one involves a 27-year-old Nigerian student in London. The only
mention of his diet is: "He was unmarried and cooked for himself. He had
never eaten fruit or fresh vegetables."
If you search news databases, there are occasional mentions of scurvy
among low-income students, but the macaroni and cheese connection remains
elusive.
Ulo Melton
Iron'd Will
The variation I heard was "Screaming Yellow Zonkers" and Dr. Pepper.
--
- Fe Wm.
----------
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."
-Voltaire
Songbyrd11
>Finast Macaroni &
>Cheese Dinner"- contains
>Vitamin C- As packaged: 0%
>Vitamin C- Prepared: 0%
>
Which proves you should not eat mac and cheese without a bottle of rum.
Song "avast me heartys (or whatever they say" byrd
Lee
>
>>fred klein informed us that:
>
>
>>Finast Macaroni &
>>Cheese Dinner"- contains
>
>>Vitamin C- As packaged: 0%
>>Vitamin C- Prepared: 0%
>>
>
>Which proves you should not eat mac and cheese without a bottle of rum.
Is this a hint of a legend that rum protects against scurvy?
Lee "it's the little umbrellas" Boyle
Dr H
On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, K. D. wrote:
}
}breon halling wrote in message <380b6ad0...@news.psi.ca>...
}>here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
}>
}>quebec, canada) were living alone and, being poor students, they
}>(that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe in
}>the states, too) three times a day, for about two or three months.
}
}
}
}>well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
}>vitamin c to keep you going!
}
}
}I have not heard that story, but while reading thru your rendition, I was
}beginning to figure that the punch line would be something about the Kraft
}making the kid sterile (a la Mountain Dew) -- that stuff has the most
}unnatural yellow / orange color......
The president of Kraft Foods is a Satanist: he confessed as much
on the Art Limbaugh show.
Dr H
K. D.
Dr H wrote in message ...
>
> The president of Kraft Foods is a Satanist: he confessed as much
> on the Art Limbaugh show.
Dr. H., you're cracking me up this afternoon.............
Hal Sadofsky
Bill Schnakenberg <willshakOu...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>AFAIK, most American companies, of which Kraft is one, sell their products
>in the US unless the product may be detrimental to your health, in which
>case they limit it to third world countries.
Which would explain why Kraft dinner is only available in Canada,
and completely unobtainable in the US or any other first-world country.
K. D.
Daniel L. Dreibelbis wrote in message ...
>In article <380b6ad0...@news.psi.ca>, br...@netscape.net
Dan,
I had no idea you had started a KD fan club! <shucks>
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
halling) wrote:
> here's a funny story i heard awhile ago:
>
(story about Kraft Dinner eater getting scurvy snipped)
> well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
> vitamin c to keep you going!
>
> let me know if anyone else has ever heard this (or variations, since i
> find it kind of improbable (though not impossible).
Ironically enough, two weeks ago the CBC Television show "On The Road Again"
(a national roadshow human interest program) featured a man from Biggar,
Saskatchewan who eats nothing BUT Kraft Dinner, and has been doing so for
years to the dismay of his healthy-lifestyle father and to the
astonishment of his doctors who have given him a clean bill of health. In
fact, he recently won a contest sponsored by Kraft called "Gotta Be KD" in
which people explained why they were big fans of the bright orange
concoction - he got his picture on the box!
Although I must admit I thought for awhile the program was putting us
on - he's such an addict he buys the stuff by the case, and even keeps a
sterno stove in his truck to boil some up if he gets peckish in the field.
Of course, the thing about Canadians and KD is that they generally
don't eat it by itself - it's an art form in cheap cuisine where things
are added to it like onions, ketchup (or if you're getting real fancy,
tomatoes) and chopped-up frankfurters.
One of my favorite KD stories comes from Valerie Pringle (perky
redheaded cohost of the Canada AM morning program) who talked about how a
few athletes took some Kraft Dinner with them to Lillehammer at the
Olympics and talked a chef at a hotel into letting him use his kitchen to
make their national dish, and then having him watch in horror as they
pulled out these cardboard boxes and a package of franks and boil it all
up in a pot, then adding the orange powder...
Dan "personally prefers these days Loblaws President's Choice Deluxe
White Cheddar Macaroni & Cheese, mixed with cauliflower, mushrooms and
onions - mmmm
good!" Dreibelbis
--
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
Mac User. Atari Enthusiast.
Vice-President, Toronto Atari Federation. And Proud Of It!
Thorn in the side of TiFKAS and other net.twits
"Nonetheless, the Fuji STILL Lives!"
Viv
<flowrchi...@prodigy.net> once more bypasses the email option to
regale all of AFU with the following when she wrote:
:Dr H wrote in message ...
:>
:> The president of Kraft Foods is a Satanist: he confessed as much
:> on the Art Limbaugh show.
:
:Dr. H., you're cracking me up this afternoon.............
One line ha-ha responses belong in email unless you are part of a pun
cascade[1] or offering a witticism as was Dr H.
This is not a law, although it is longstanding AFU practise and also
common netiquette in many of the longer-established ngs.
You will probably construe this as an attack. If you would accept
constructive criticism by email, I would prefer to do it that way -
but as you don't I am left only the posting option, and I feel unable
to express myself other than bluntly.
There are many other ngs where nobody will care if 87% of the groups
posts consist of "LOL" one line responses. AFU does care, has made
itself clear in the FAQ and style-guides that it does care, and will
continue to belittle and denigrate you if you ignore our clearly
stated preferences.
Vivienne Smythe
1.and even those should be shy, rare and refined beasties rather than
swaggering loud-jacketed hand-pumpers who turn up every week.
N Jill Marsh
> I had no idea you had started a KD fan club! <shucks>
Are you an unnatural orange colour, incredibly high in fat, and can one get
scurvy from an exclusive diet of you?
Here at Carleton, the peer support centre (or whatever they call
themselves these days) runs a seminar in the fall that covers several
*dozen* ways to prepare Kraft Dinner.
nj"President's Choice white Mac & Cheese, with tuna and peas"m
Coating yourself with menstrual blood, naked, under the 13th full moon
of the year and performing the Grand Rite while 12 of your best friends
beat you with birch and nettles while singing *I Know What Boys Like*.
THAT, my friend, is a night out. --Keith Alexander, on rec.arts.bodyart
nancy g.
>> AFAIK, most American companies, of which Kraft is one, sell their products
>> in the US unless the product may be detrimental to your health, in which
>> case they limit it to third world countries.
> Which would explain why Kraft dinner is only available in Canada,
> and completely unobtainable in the US or any other first-world country.
Psssst. "Kraft Dinner"(Can.) = "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese"(U.S.)
(Pause for thought before hitting "send" button. Trying to decide
if that's a hook I see dangling there. Deciding that it's not.)
(Of course, I have been known to be rather naive about such matters.)
nancy "aren't there *any* Bare Naked Ladies fans in this froup?" g.
K. D.
N Jill Marsh wrote in message <7ukef6$3vk$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
>Here at Carleton, the peer support centre (or whatever they call
>themselves these days) runs a seminar in the fall that covers several
>*dozen* ways to prepare Kraft Dinner.
>
>nj"President's Choice white Mac & Cheese, with tuna and peas"m
Woah -- now THAT is interesting! Do they publish a cook book? And is there
a recipe which uses either condensed cream of mushroom soup or crumbled
potato chips (as a topping)?
(Personally, I don't eat the stuff (mac 'n' cheese). After many years of
ignoring it during shopping, I finally broke down and started buying it --
it was a family favorite in my husband's boyhood home. He derives some
nostalgic pleasure (I guess) in preparing it -- especially "crunchy style."
I haven't mastered the knack of crunchy style, nor do I want to.)
Chris Wooff
>>> in the US unless the product may be detrimental to your health, in which
>>> case they limit it to third world countries.
>
>> Which would explain why Kraft dinner is only available in Canada,
>> and completely unobtainable in the US or any other first-world country.
This reminds me of a friend who likes to make the claim "/Technically/,
Canada is a Third World nation". I've challenged him to show me a
definition anywhere of "Third World" that would include Canada;
he has failed to do so, but nevertheless he likes passing on this
factoid. Any tidbit of "information" that starts off "Well, /technically/
the definition of <blah> is..." makes me wince (like "Technically, the
Antarctic is a desert, so...").
Chris
>
>
David Weale
I heard a similar story in 1986 about a student at Exeter University, UK. In
this case he lived on nothing but porridge oats. The interesting spin was
that he was supposed to have kept the dry cereal in the top drawer of his
desk, and spooned out a helping whenever peckish.
Sorry about the questionable use of the word 'interesting'.
--
David Weale
Steve Caskey
[...]
>fact, he recently won a contest sponsored by Kraft called "Gotta Be KD" in
> Of course, the thing about Canadians and KD is that they generally
> One of my favorite KD stories comes from Valerie Pringle (perky
Please. Don't call it that here, now. There's a good fellow.
Steve "that 'perky' strikes a certain amount of fear too" Caskey
--
Just another mindless public servant who does not speak for his employer
"The recipe for good sleep is a bed and a clear conscience.
Either ingredient can be replaced by gin." -- Joe Bennett
See the alt.folklore.urban FAQ and archive at http://www.urbanlegends.com
Hal Sadofsky
>Hal Sadofsky wrote:
>
>> Which would explain why Kraft dinner is only available in Canada,
>> and completely unobtainable in the US or any other first-world country.
>Psssst. "Kraft Dinner"(Can.) = "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese"(U.S.)
>(Pause for thought before hitting "send" button. Trying to decide
>if that's a hook I see dangling there. Deciding that it's not.)
And I thought the reference to Canada as a third world country was a
dead give-away. Well, it's still October. Actually it was intended more
as a (feeble) joke than as a troll, but I guess some hooks don't even need
bait.
Hal Sadofsky
Cindy Kandolf
| This reminds me of a friend who likes to make the claim "/Technically/,
| Canada is a Third World nation". I've challenged him to show me a
| definition anywhere of "Third World" that would include Canada;
| he has failed to do so, but nevertheless he likes passing on this
| factoid. Any tidbit of "information" that starts off "Well, /technically/
| the definition of <blah> is..." makes me wince (like "Technically, the
| Antarctic is a desert, so...").
I have heard similar things from local bores^W^Wacquaintances about
Norway. "*Technically*, Norway is a Third World nation." The
difference is that they usually provide the definition: "A Third World
nation is one that exports primarily natural resources and imports
primarily manufactured goods." They then cheat by counting not only
the obvious natural resources (e.g. oil and gas) among Norway's
primary exports, but also the less obvious ones (aluminum processing
"counts" as "exporting hydro power" and not exporting manufactured
goods because it is so energy-intensive; paper exports are "exporting
trees" and not manufactured goods).
Of course, in all my years of hanging out among humanities geeks and
generally torturing my own overwrought social conscience, i've never
heard anyone use this definition of "Third World nation" in any other
context. Also there's a large and potentially significant overlap
between the people who bleat this little factoid and the people who
think there are 52 states in the US, but i digress.
And yeah, technically, the Antarctic *is* a desert, since the place is
so fucking cold even the clouds won't put up with it. But what
purpose calling attention to this fact serves, other than to
graphically illustrate to little kids that not all deserts are hot and
sandy or to gee-whiz the viewers of a low-level nature documentary, is
not clear to this flodnak.
- Cindy Kandolf, certified language mechanic, mamma flodnak
flodmail: thefl...@ivillage.com flodhome: Bærum, Norway
flodweb: http://www.nethelp.no/cindy/
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
mind...@furrfu.minedu.govt.nz (Steve Caskey) wrote:
> Quoth dre...@idirect.com (Daniel L. Dreibelbis):
> [...]
> >fact, he recently won a contest sponsored by Kraft called "Gotta Be KD" in
> [...]
> > Of course, the thing about Canadians and KD is that they generally
> [...]
> > One of my favorite KD stories comes from Valerie Pringle (perky
>
> Please. Don't call it that here, now. There's a good fellow.
since even Kraft refers to their own product as KD in their ads now, I
would consider that fair use.
>
> Steve "that 'perky' strikes a certain amount of fear too" Caskey
nothing to fear here. Valerie is well known for being perky, and she's
brought up the topic many times on Canada AM. She even went as far as
doing a sketch for the Royal Canadian Air Farce in which she hawks
"Valerie Perk", a caffienne-added coffee....
Dan "hoping to be involved in one of Jeff's Excellent Adventures" Dreibelbis
Ian Munro
> Chris Wooff (ctw...@math.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
> | This reminds me of a friend who likes to make the claim "/Technically/,
> | Canada is a Third World nation".
> Norway. "*Technically*, Norway is a Third World nation." The
> difference is that they usually provide the definition: "A Third World
> nation is one that exports primarily natural resources and imports
> primarily manufactured goods."
It's interesting how much the meaning of the expression has shifted.
Originally (as Brewer's _Phrase and Fable_ confirmed for me, and as Cindy
probably already knew) the expression meant those parts of the world not
substantially aligned with either the capitalist "First World" or the
communist "Second World." Very few, I think, would still use the phrase
in such a political sense.
Ian "why the commies were the second world
is left as an exercise for the reader" Munro
--
"It isn't a 'line of reasoning'; it's a squiggle of flawed analysis and
erroneous conclusion."--Paraic O'Donnell
JoAnne Schmitz
wrote:
> Ironically enough, two weeks ago the CBC Television show "On The Road Again"
>(a national roadshow human interest program) featured a man from Biggar,
>Saskatchewan who eats nothing BUT Kraft Dinner, and has been doing so for
>years to the dismay of his healthy-lifestyle father and to the
>astonishment of his doctors who have given him a clean bill of health. In
>fact, he recently won a contest sponsored by Kraft called "Gotta Be KD"
At last, a possible explanation for our great-gazonga'd friend. Does scurvy
cause stupidity?
JoAnne "or pigheadedness?" Schmitz
"There has never been a verified report of anybody finding a razor
blade in a pyramid, but it's still prudent for parents to check
all treats." -- Lee Boyle, on alt.folklore.urban
Phil Edwards
>It's interesting how much the meaning of the expression has shifted.
>Originally (as Brewer's _Phrase and Fable_ confirmed for me, and as Cindy
>probably already knew) the expression meant those parts of the world not
>substantially aligned with either the capitalist "First World" or the
>communist "Second World." Very few, I think, would still use the phrase
>in such a political sense.
I don't recall ever hearing the phrase 'Second World' used at all. I
do remember seeing a world map with the three 'worlds' marked; on that
occasion, though, the Second World included apartheid South Africa. It
made a kind of intuitive sense in terms of levels of development.
Phil "the world of objective contents of thought" Edwards
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flows back to sharp under a pyramid." - Lara Hokpins, empiricist
Charles A. Lieberman
breon halling
> well, that's the story. the moral: kraft dinner does not have enough
> vitamin c to keep you going!
No, really? I think I've consumed enough of it to know that there is
nothing in there generally considered a source of vitamin C -- this is
beyond obvious.
Anyway, if you weren't getting enough C, wouldn't you start really, really
wanting grapefruit before scurvy set in?
--
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Brooklyn, NY, USA | --Ulo Melton thanks Dav*d Gre*ne for his work in AFU
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Phil Edwards
Dreibelbis) wrote:
> Dan "personally prefers these days Loblaws President's Choice Deluxe
>White Cheddar Macaroni & Cheese, mixed with cauliflower, mushrooms and
>onions - mmmm
>good!" Dreibelbis
If you're going to all that trouble, why not just grate some cheese?
Phil "I can recommend carbonara with a hint of Stilton" Edwards
Phil Edwards
wrote:
>K. D. (flowrchi...@prodigy.net) wrote:
>
>> I had no idea you had started a KD fan club! <shucks>
>
>Are you an unnatural orange colour, incredibly high in fat, and can one get
>scurvy from an exclusive diet of you?
Yep, that's the one.
Phil "and reading her posts gives you warts - pass it on" Edwards
David Jones
K. D. <flowrchi...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:7uki8o$4p1o$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
I can't say this is true about the Kraft product, but I discovered some
time ago that lemon juice on macaroni & cheese makes it really good. And
keeps the scurvy away to boot!
- David "and wash it down with Tang" Jones
David Jones
David Weale <d.j....@bham.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:380DF510...@bham.ac.uk...
I worked with a guy once who kept a variety of such snacks in his desk
drawer - granola and such. When Fall arrived, he was always overrun by
mice.
- David "he especially found the raisins tasty" Jones
K. D.
David Jones wrote in message
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>I can't say this is true about the Kraft product, but I discovered some
>time ago that lemon juice on macaroni & cheese makes it really good. And
>keeps the scurvy away to boot!
Perfect solution, David -- I like this one!
ra...@joesbar.cc.vt.edu
> Anyway, if you weren't getting enough C, wouldn't you start really, really
> wanting grapefruit before scurvy set in?
I can't say for sure, but I believe death from starvation would
set in before I would ever really want grapefruit. I'd eat it rather than
starve, but I wouldn't much like it.
Bill "oranges I would crave" Ranck
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K. D.
David Jones wrote in message
>I worked with a guy once who kept a variety of such snacks in his desk
>drawer - granola and such. When Fall arrived, he was always overrun by
>mice.
You don't need oats to accomplish this. A few years ago, one of my kids had
the bright idea to hide some Halloween candy in a little-used drawer in the
little-used upstairs bathroom. Months later, while cleaning, I found the
remains of the candy, but apparently after the mice had found them. Looks
like they had set up housekeeping in the neighborhood for the duration......
barbara_n
Lieberman) wrote:
>Anyway, if you weren't getting enough C, wouldn't you start really, really
>wanting grapefruit before scurvy set in?
Tangerines, maybe. Grapefruit, No.
Barbara N.
Tony Sweeney
> I heard a similar story in 1986 about a student at Exeter University, UK. In
> this case he lived on nothing but porridge oats. The interesting spin was
> that he was supposed to have kept the dry cereal in the top drawer of his
> desk, and spooned out a helping whenever peckish.
This is close to the variant that was doing the rounds when I was at the
University of London (Imperial, then University College) in '82-'86. The
mythical student was Scottish, and realised early in the first term that his
grant would not stretch to beer and food. Oats, bought in bulk, however, are
extremely cheap, so his diet consisted entirely of porridge. The interesting
corroborating detail was that he cooked it all in one huge batch, and poured it
into a drawer, where it set into a humongous oatcake, from which he would cut
off a slice whenever he got hungry. Scurvy by Christmas...
Tony.
--
Lara Hopkins
>The "scurvy from macaroni and cheese" story has been mentioned here once
>or twice, though I think this is the first detailed telling we've seen. A
>Medline search turns up one mention of a student with scurvy:
>
>Davies IJ, et al.
>A case of scurvy in a student.
>Postgrad Med J. 1967 Aug;43(502):549-50.
>
>That one involves a 27-year-old Nigerian student in London. The only
>mention of his diet is: "He was unmarried and cooked for himself. He had
>never eaten fruit or fresh vegetables."
AKA "Bachelor Scurvy".
I wandered aimlessly through Medline with just "scurvy" as a search term,
and uncovered umpteen case reports of scurvy in developed countries. It's
commoner in people with cancer, schizophrenics, alcoholics and long-term
hospitalised patients (especially with gastrointestinal disorders)[1], but
has also been reported in anorexics and dieters[2], a person on a Zen
macrobiotic diet [3] (which surprised me, [8]), people with dyspepsia on
milk diets[4], kids who have odd restricted diets[5], a person who
thought sie was intolerant to a wide variety of foods[6], and a woman who
ate only cooked cereals [7].
I found three reports of bachelor scurvy:
A case of bachelor scurvy. Morgan DR
Practitioner 1987 Apr 8 231:1427 450, 454-5
Scurvy in a nonalcoholic person in the United States.
Assi ME, Thomas G, Taub SJ, Thomas H, Thomas JR, Stang RJ
J Am Osteopath Assoc 1992 Dec 92:12 1529-31
Bachelor scurvy.
Connelly TJ, Becker A, McDonald JW
Int J Dermatol 1982 May 21:4 209-11
but no mention of macaroni cheese.
A search specifically on "macaroni and cheese" mainly turned up food
poisoning reports.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/316/7145/1661 states that "The
symptoms of scurvy occur rapidly after 1-3 months of vitamin C deficiency
when the body's reserve is <300 mg (normal 1500 mg). "
Lara
[1] Scurvy in schizophrenia [letter]
Shtasel DL, Krell H
Psychiatr Serv 1995 Mar 46:3 293
Scurvy: more than historical relevance.
Oeffinger KC
Am Fam Physician 1993 Sep 15 48:4 609-13
Scurvy and vitamin C deficiency in Crohn's disease.
Linaker BD
Postgrad Med J 1979 Jan 55:639 26-9
Adult scurvy.
Leung FW, Guze PA
Ann Emerg Med 1981 Dec 10:12 652-5
[A case of scurvy occurring during prolonged hospitalization]
Hannibal J, Ovesen L
Ugeskr Laeger 1989 Jan 23 151:4 246
[2] Letter: Scurvy in anorexia nervosa.
George GC, Zabow T, Beumont PJ
S Afr Med J 1975 Aug 16 49:35 1420
[Scurvy from self-imposed diet]
Sthoeger ZM, Sthoeger D
Harefuah 1991 Mar 15 120:6 332-3
[3] Scurvy produced by a Zen macrobiotic diet.
Sherlock P, Rothschild EO
JAMA 1967 Mar 13 199:11 794-8
[4] [Scurvy in Paris in 1994 in a drinker of milk with gastroesophageal
reflux (letter)]
Perlemuter G, Venencie PY, Altman C, Buffet C
Gastroenterol Clin Biol 1994 18:8-9 789
[5] Scurvy. A case caused by peculiar dietary habits.
Ellis CN, Vanderveen EE, Rasmussen JE
Arch Dermatol 1984 Sep 120:9 1212-4
Scurvy--a disease not only of historical interest.
Shamash R, Laufer D, Tulchinsky V
Br J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1988 Jun 26:3 258-60
[6] Scurvy, osteoporosis and megaloblastic anaemia due to alleged food
intolerance
Barratt JA, Summers GD
Br J Rheumatol 1996 Jul 35:7 701-2
[7] [Scurvy in an adult]
Fehlmann HU
Schweiz Med Wochenschr 1977 Aug 27 107:34 1199-202
[8] I thought macrobiotic diets had lots of veges and fruit, but according
to http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/uctm/25.html, the highest level consists
largely of brown rice. Poking around www.macrobiotics.org, tomatoes are
specifically proscribed (despite their lycopene content), and fruit
limited to two or three times a week. So even with some leafy vegetables,
vitamin C deficiency could be feasible.
Another quote from bccancer.bc.ca:
"Recent studies showed that Dutch children who were fed macrobiotic diets
were smaller and weighed less than other children who eat normally.
Infants on macrobiotic diets often develop rickets and have deficiencies
of vitamin B, C and iron." (Hafner)
Lara Hopkins
>but no mention of macaroni cheese.
A bit more web wandering turned up a vectoring of the Kraft macaroni
cheese->scurvy link at the goats site [1]: "Again, without promoting any
brands[2], the answer was Macaroni and Cheese. Simply slice the luncheon
meat into thin strips, fry them as always, and then mix into the finished
mac and cheese mixture. Eating this combination of meat, cheese, and
pasta, I felt like I was consuming not only a grand creation, but also a
healthy balance of at least three of the four food groups. After all,
what's life without a little scurvy once in a while anyway? "
Sadly, I also stumbled across the Kraft Dinner Worship webring [3].
Lara
[1]http://www.goats.com/beer/beer9806.html
[2] The hyperlink on "brands" goes to the Kraft website.
[3] http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=kraftdinner;list
Lara Hopkins
>- David "and wash it down with Tang" Jones
Mmmmm....vodka, Tang[1] and tonic with a fresh lime wedge.
Lara "Brian gets the food threads, I claim the drink threads" Hopkins
[1] Which you can't buy in WA. Rumour has it that WA has stricter
"therapeutic goods" rules, and Tang has too much Vitamin C to be labelled
a food here. I doubt it, but haven't got around to looking it up. I import
my Tang from Melbourne.
David Hatunen
Phil Edwards <amr...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On 21 Oct 1999 18:22:14 GMT, Ian Munro <ian....@ualberta.ca> wrote:
>
>>It's interesting how much the meaning of the expression has
>>shifted. Originally (as Brewer's _Phrase and Fable_ confirmed for
>>me, and as Cindy probably already knew) the expression meant
>>those parts of the world not substantially aligned with either
>>the capitalist "First World" or the communist "Second World."
>>Very few, I think, would still use the phrase in such a political
>>sense.
>
>I don't recall ever hearing the phrase 'Second World' used at all.
>I do remember seeing a world map with the three 'worlds' marked;
>on that occasion, though, the Second World included apartheid
>South Africa. It made a kind of intuitive sense in terms of levels
>of development.
"Third World" came into being at about the time Indonesian
President Sukarno called together the world conference of
non-aligned Nations at Bandung in the 1950s. The Nehrus of the
world liked the term. The term itself may have first been used in
reference to this conference; my OED2 creidts a Frenchman's report
on the conference, where it was used in the French, "Tier Monde".
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Harlequin
>probably already knew) the expression meant those parts of the world not
>substantially aligned with either the capitalist "First World" or the
>communist "Second World." Very few, I think, would still use the phrase
>in such a political sense.
In political science courses, Third World was always defined to me in the
above manner--that is, any country not actively part of the West bloc ("First
World") or the East bloc (communist bloc, "Second World"). I think
<tonguecheek> that the expression evolved with the assumption by people like Us
Lazy Americans that if you're not part of either, then you must have your head
in the sand politically, which of course means that you're not technologically
advanced enough to be a part of important world affairs. </tonguecheek>
"Lagartixa" <<Harlequin>>
~Filha de Bimba nao pode cair~
"We saw her eating bugs one day, so we decided to name her after a gecko..."
Harlequin
>
>
Speaking of crunchy, if you really want a low-income treat, try Frito pie.
Jim Skillman
> above manner--that is, any country not actively part of the West bloc ("First
> World") or the East bloc (communist bloc, "Second World"). I think
> <tonguecheek> that the expression evolved with the assumption by people like Us
> Lazy Americans that if you're not part of either, then you must have your head
> in the sand politically, which of course means that you're not technologically
> advanced enough to be a part of important world affairs. </tonguecheek>
>
This sounds way off to me. In the late sixties and early seventies, the
Chinese developed their "three worlds" theory as a way of describing the
present contradictions that existed among different countries.
The first world consisted of the two superpowers, the US and USSR.
The second world consisted of developed industrialized countries such as
Briton, France, and the rest of Europe.
The third world consisted of everyone else, Asia, Africa, etc.,
INCLUDING China.
The alignment or politics of any particular country was not a factor in
this consideration.
The Chinese international slogan for this period was: "Countries want
independence, nations want liberation, and the people want revolution!"
--jim
R H Draney
> This reminds me of a friend who likes to make the claim "/Technically/,
> Canada is a Third World nation". I've challenged him to show me a
> definition anywhere of "Third World" that would include Canada;
> he has failed to do so, but nevertheless he likes passing on this
> factoid. Any tidbit of "information" that starts off "Well, /technically/
> the definition of <blah> is..." makes me wince (like "Technically, the
> Antarctic is a desert, so...").
New definition of the "third world": any place where the television standard is
SECAM....r
--
"I may not know much about art, but I know what they tell me I'm supposed to
like."
Jon 'O-Jin' Rowbottom
> > (that's a cheese and macaroni meal available here in canada - maybe
in
> > the states, too) three times a day, for about two or three months.
> ...
> > back in the clinic, the doctor is there with about four or five
other
> > doctors. "listen," said the first doctor. "i had to check my
textbook
> > to confirm this, but it turns out that you have scurvy!
>
> Yep I've heard that story before, actually in a book (possible
Microserfs?
> or some Douglas Copeland thing) and it was in the US not Canada, and
it
> was one - foreign - student who was trying to save money by only
eating
> cheap food.
>
> Sharon Bell
Japanese Exchange Student. 'Top Ramen' Noodels. Died of malnutrition.
And yeah, It's Microserfs.
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>I don't recall ever hearing the phrase 'Second World' used at all.
I've heard it several times.
I think there was a war there a few decades back.
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David Hatunen
Harlequin <harl...@aol.comnyaaagh> wrote:
> In political science courses, Third World was always defined
>to me in the above manner--that is, any country not actively part
>of the West bloc ("First World") or the East bloc (communist bloc,
>"Second World"). I think <tonguecheek> that the expression evolved
>with the assumption by people like Us Lazy Americans that if
>you're not part of either, then you must have your head in the
>sand politically, which of course means that you're not
>technologically advanced enough to be a part of important world
>affairs. </tonguecheek>
Us lazy Americans had nothing to do with it. The term came from a
Frenchman to describe the non-aligned nations participaiting in the
Bandung Conference in the 1950s.
Is it your bent to try to find reasons to flame Americans even when
the reason doesn't really exist?
K. D.
shanihn wrote in message <1415c574...@usw-ex0102-009.remarq.com>...
>In article <19991022030909...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
>harl...@aol.comnyaaagh (Harlequin) wrote:
>> Speaking of crunchy, if you really want a low-income treat, try
>> Frito pie.
>Oh yummy! Frito pie is most excellent!
No fair! Quit torturing us! Post the recipe already!
Steve Jones
Frito Pie
Ingredients: XXE XXO
3 C Fritos corn chips
3/4 C Onion, chopped
1 C Cheddar cheese, grated
2-1/2 C Chili (your favorite -- homemade, canned, whatever)
Directions:
Preheat oven to 350°F.
Spread 2 cups of Fritos in a baking dish. Sprinkle half the onion and half
the cheese over the Fritos. Pour the chili over the onion and cheese.
Sprinkle the remaining Fritos, onion and cheese over the chili.
Bake for 15 or 20 minutes and cheese is bubbly. Serve hot.
Wash down with Pearl or Big Red.
Steve "this was not doe snot" Jones
Gerald Belton
<flowrchi...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>shanihn wrote in message <1415c574...@usw-ex0102-009.remarq.com>...
>>Oh yummy! Frito pie is most excellent!
>
>No fair! Quit torturing us! Post the recipe already!
I thought everybody knew this one, but it seems not. Here's the
"recipe," although it's really not worthy of such a lofty title.
Cover the bottom of a baking dish with Fritos brand corn chips. Spoon
several cans of chili on top of that. Cover the top with grated
cheese. Stick it in a hot oven until the cheese gets bubbly and the
chili is heated through.
Serve with a dollop of sour cream.
Gerald "not that you're reading this" Belton
cwp
> "K. D." wrote:
> > No fair! Quit torturing us! Post the recipe already!
>
[snip]
> Preheat oven to 350°F.
oven?
> Spread 2 cups of Fritos in a baking dish. [snip]
baking dish?
That's twice now I've seen a recipe posted for this
delicacy that included such nonsense as ovens and
baking dishes. Everyone [1] knows that the proper
Frito Pie is enjoyed thusly:
1. open a bag of Fritos
2. dump prepared chili into bag
3. drop in a mound of grated cheese
4. (optional) add in a bunch of chopped onions
5. eat
[1] speaking from my rural Texas roots...
cwp "and there's no such thing as chili with beans"
shanihn
a bowl.
K. D.
cwp wrote in message <01bf1cca$fd88b670$19dbe226@thanatos
>Steve Jones <st...@technettn.com> wrote
>> "K. D." wrote:
>> > No fair! Quit torturing us! Post the recipe already!
>>
>> Frito Pie
>[snip]
>> Preheat oven to 350°F.
>
>oven?
>
>> Spread 2 cups of Fritos in a baking dish. [snip]
>
>baking dish?
>
>That's twice now I've seen a recipe posted for this
>delicacy that included such nonsense as ovens and
>baking dishes. Everyone [1] knows that the proper
>Frito Pie is enjoyed thusly:
>
>1. open a bag of Fritos
>2. dump prepared chili into bag
>3. drop in a mound of grated cheese
>4. (optional) add in a bunch of chopped onions
>5. eat
This is most excellent, cwp. Being from a family of only sisters and female
first cousins, it wasn't until I had boy children of my own that I really
began to comprehend some of the finer nuances of this sort of haute cuisine!
I am going to forward this to my 19YO son ASAP, or should I even bother? I
mean, do young males, coming of age, just kinda learn this stuff my osmosis?
Question: In re the chopped onions -- who chops them, or do they arrive
that way? Or do you use the pre-chopped, freeze-dried variety?
David Jones
David Hatunen <hat...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:7upr2f$fi8$1...@ultra.sonic.net...
>
> Us lazy Americans had nothing to do with it. The term came from a
> Frenchman to describe the non-aligned nations participaiting in the
> Bandung Conference in the 1950s.
It was actually an Algerian by the name of Franz Fanon.
- David Jones
Harlequin
>the reason doesn't really exist?
>
No, I was just making an uneducated speculation on how "Third World" went
from a neutral to a derogatory term.
For the record, I'm also American.
Bjørnar
wrote ll:
>Chris Wooff (ctw...@math.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
>| This reminds me of a friend who likes to make the claim "/Technically/,
>| Canada is a Third World nation". I've challenged him to show me a
>| definition anywhere of "Third World" that would include Canada;
>| he has failed to do so, but nevertheless he likes passing on this
>| factoid. Any tidbit of "information" that starts off "Well, /technically/
>| the definition of <blah> is..." makes me wince (like "Technically, the
>| Antarctic is a desert, so...").
>
>I have heard similar things from local bores^W^Wacquaintances about
>Norway. "*Technically*, Norway is a Third World nation." The
>difference is that they usually provide the definition: "A Third World
>nation is one that exports primarily natural resources and imports
>primarily manufactured goods." They then cheat by counting not only
>the obvious natural resources (e.g. oil and gas) among Norway's
>primary exports, but also the less obvious ones (aluminum processing
>"counts" as "exporting hydro power" and not exporting manufactured
>goods because it is so energy-intensive; paper exports are "exporting
>trees" and not manufactured goods).
>
As a Norwegian I must say feel a bit insulted! Norway is among the top
five or third richest nations in the world - I think.
In Norway we count a nation which need foreign help to feed their
population as a third world nation.
Bjørnar
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David Hatunen
Harlequin <harl...@aol.comnyaaagh> wrote:
>>Is it your bent to try to find reasons to flame Americans even when
>>the reason doesn't really exist?
>>
>
>No, I was just making an uneducated speculation on how "Third
>World" went from a neutral to a derogatory term.
It's only derogatory in the sense that those countries considered
part of the Third World are low on economic development. I don't
think of it so much as derogatory as descriptive, although granted
that with the Second World pretty much history now, the "Third" is
pretty meaningless.
>For the record, I'm also American.
I consider the crack about how it must have been invented by "lazy
Americans" a flame of Americans, and being an American doesn't
change that.
>
>
>"Lagartixa" <<Harlequin>>
>~Filha de Bimba nao pode cair~
>"We saw her eating bugs one day, so we decided to name her after a gecko..."
>
mpl...@my-deja.com
1.production.compuserve.com>, "David Jones" <djon...@compuserve.com>
wrote, concerning the expression "The Third World":
Intrigued, I looked up Franz Fanon on the Internet. At
http://www.heartfield.demon.co.uk/fanon.htm I found the following:
"FANON, Franz Omar, (1925-1961), African revolutionary. Born in
Martinique Fanon served in the French army during World War II. He was
head of the psychiatry department, Blida-Joinville Hospital, Algeria
(1953-56) and in 1954 joined the Algerian liberation movement becoming
editor of its newspaper El Moudjahid in Tunis in 1956. He was appointed
ambassador to Ghana by the Provisional Government in 1960. Fanon wrote
Black Skin, White Masks (1952) and The Wretched of the Earth (1961,
with a foreword by JP Sartre), Year Five of the Algerian Revolution
(1959), and Pour la révolution africaine (1964)."
As is explained at http://www.emory.edu/ENGLISH/Bahri/Fanon.html
"Because of his schooling and cultural background, the young Fanon
conceived of himself as French, and the disorientation he felt after
his initial encounter with French racism decisively shaped his
psychological theories about culture."
So in one way or another he was Martiniquais (is there another word in
English?), African, French, and Algerian.
I have met people from Martinique of African ancestry who consider
themselves thoroughly French. Since 1946 the people of Martinique have
been full French citizens, for it was in that year that Martinique was
made an overseas department of France (so Martiniquais are just as much
French as Hawaiians are American). Whether the Martiniquais I knew ever
had any experience of racism in continental France, or with white
Martiniquais, I don't know--the subject never came up.
_Black Skin, White Masks_ sounds like an interesting book.
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tejas
>
> >I haven't mastered the knack of crunchy style, nor do I want to.)
> >
> >
>
>
Don't knock Frito pie. Back in the '50s, when they were still packed
in thick waxed paper bags, they'd slit a bag open and put a big old
spoonful of Wolf brand chile in it with cheese & onions and a wooden
ice cream spoon. They'd sell these at Friday night football games
in Texas...
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K. D.
tejas wrote in message <38137C...@richmond.infi.net>...
>Harlequin wrote:
>> Speaking of crunchy, if you really want a low-income treat, try Frito
pie.
>>
>Don't knock Frito pie. Back in the '50s, when they were still packed
>in thick waxed paper bags, they'd slit a bag open and put a big old
>spoonful of Wolf brand chile in it with cheese & onions and a wooden
>ice cream spoon. They'd sell these at Friday night football games
>in Texas
This is great! I shared the earlier no muss, no fuss, no cooking recipe for
Frito Pie with my husband -- he gave it two thumbs up!
The part I like the best about this recipe is that it was served with a
wooden ice cream spoon! I'd say that since the ..... (is this an entree,
side dish, what?) was served in the handy dandy thick waxed paper bag, why
not just dispense with the spoon? Tilt back yer head and just pour it in!
In running this insight by my husband, he suggested that the bag (for
Fritos) might have been designed for just this recipe!
(Reminds me of the old eat-in-the-box, wax-paper-lined- individual boxes of
cereal, which really amounted to about one fourth of what you would normally
eat in one sitting.)
Bill Schnakenberg
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Bill Schnakenberg wrote in message <38138B88...@frontiernet.net>...
>> (Reminds me of the old eat-in-the-box, wax-paper-lined- individual boxes
of
>> cereal, which really amounted to about one fourth of what you would
normally
>> eat in one sitting.)
>
>Old you say? They're still around.
Woah -- how retro! I knew that the individual-sized boxes were still
around, but I figured that they were no longer wax-paper lined for eating
out of the box.........
Harlequin
>
>I consider the crack about how it must have been invented by "lazy
>Americans" a flame of Americans, and being an American doesn't
>change that.
>
Then you must have missed the HTML tag for sarcasm in the post. I'm sorry,
I'll try to make it more <tongue in cheek> obvious </tongue in cheek> next
time.
David Hatunen
Harlequin <harl...@aol.comnyaaagh> wrote:
>>>For the record, I'm also American.
>>
>>I consider the crack about how it must have been invented by "lazy
>>Americans" a flame of Americans, and being an American doesn't
>>change that.
>>
>
> Then you must have missed the HTML tag for sarcasm in the
>post. I'm sorry, I'll try to make it more <tongue in cheek>
>obvious </tongue in cheek> next time.
The problem with such tags, like smilies, is that they do not
resolve the ambiguity. Sarcasm can be used to flame. In fact,
sarcasm is usually used to flame.
Laurence Doering
K. D. <flowrchi...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>>[re: frito pie]
>
>This is most excellent, cwp. Being from a family of only sisters and female
>first cousins, it wasn't until I had boy children of my own that I really
>began to comprehend some of the finer nuances of this sort of haute cuisine!
>
>I am going to forward this to my 19YO son ASAP, or should I even bother? I
>mean, do young males, coming of age, just kinda learn this stuff my osmosis?
Nope. They have to be taught. About the only thing your average
19-year-old will figure out how to cook on his own would be frozen
Tater Tots, or collegiate delicacies like Frosted Flakes with bourbon.
>Question: In re the chopped onions -- who chops them, or do they arrive
>that way? Or do you use the pre-chopped, freeze-dried variety?
Usually onions arrive as round things, several inches (or more) in
diameter. If you want them in smaller pieces, you need to get a
sharpish object (often known as a "knife") and make a series of
successive cuts into the onion until it has been separated into
whatever number of bits you desire. Generally the person who wants
to eat the onion does it him- or herself.
Hope this helps,
ljd
K. D.
Laurence Doering wrote in message <7v221j$r...@mail.bcpl.net>.
>Nope. They have to be taught. About the only thing your average
>19-year-old will figure out how to cook on his own would be frozen
>Tater Tots, or collegiate delicacies like Frosted Flakes with bourbon
Woah -- my impoverished youth! This is my first exposure to FF and bourbon.
>Usually onions arrive as round things, several inches (or more) in
>diameter. If you want them in smaller pieces, you need to get a
>sharpish object (often known as a "knife") and make a series of
>successive cuts into the onion until it has been separated into
>whatever number of bits you desire. Generally the person who wants
>to eat the onion does it him- or herself.
OK, I think that helps -- I just figured that chopping onions by oneself
would be an extra step in the process that would be out of the range of
expertise of the average college-aged male. From what I recall of my son
before he went off to college, he used a knife only infrequently, and never
for cutting things into bite-sized pieces. In the infrequent times when the
food to be consumed was too big to be stuffed in his mouth, whole, he simply
speared the whole thing with his fork, and took bites off the edges until
the remainder was small enough to be stuffed in. He told me that cutting it
into bite-sized pieces was an unnecessary step.
This philosophy on the proper use of a knife has been verified by other
teen-age and adult males. (OK, so I am exagerrating just a teeny-tiny bit,
but not by much!)
Anyway, my mind is still reeling from the post about the fritos, served in
bag, with the chili and cheese and sauce dumped in, to be consumed with a
wooden ice cream spoon! That one is my favorite, so far.
After all these years, and the nuances of the male brain continue to amaze
me!
Chip Taylor
>
>Anyway, my mind is still reeling from the post about the fritos, served in
>bag, with the chili and cheese and sauce dumped in, to be consumed with a
>wooden ice cream spoon! That one is my favorite, so far.
>
>After all these years, and the nuances of the male brain continue to amaze
>me!
>
>
Frito Pie is a best seller at the refreshment stands for soccer games and high
school sports around here. Cheap, tasty, and quick. Girls order them more
than boys do.
Chip "put a dollop of sour cream on top for a real treat!" Taylor
God, grant me the Senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the
good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the
difference.
Richard Brandt
> Nope. They have to be taught. About the only thing your average
> 19-year-old will figure out how to cook on his own would be frozen
Please, Cracklin' Bran and beer.
Richard "I was this close to the bestseller lists" Brandt
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Christopher A. King
>So, as we can see, this particular Mac-n-cheese dinner contains 0%
>of the recommended daily value of Vitamin C.
>So, it is certainly possible that eating nothing but m-n-c dinners
>might lead to a deficiency disease. However, I do not know how
>long it takes without Vitamin C to develop scurvy. Anyone else
>want to pitch in?
I one heard a story from a co-worker at an Ann Arbor business I was
employed at in the past about a small number of U-M students -- may have
been a fraternity -- who pledged to make it to graduation on a strict diet
of nothing more than beer and pizza, with an outcome similar to this after
a few weeks (or months; I can't remember which now) on the diet... just
something that came up in conversation, but I never verified it.
C.K.