Canadian lumberjacks drinking Lysol
wondering
claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
The story had the angered Lysol people vowing to add an ingredient
to the product to make it taste worse and prevent people from drinking
it. Does anyone else remember hearing about this?
John "Couldn't find the FAQ so I don't know what a 'vector' is" Staif
Daniel Case
wondering <jst...@flash.net> wrote in article
<36201c64...@news.flash.net>...
Haven't heard it, but it's not terribly dissimilar to reports from Russia
of people getting the alcohol from shoe polish during vodka shortages.
Daniel "A whole new way of putting your foot in your mouth" Case
H.W.M.
Daniel Case wrote:
> > This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
> > The story had the angered Lysol people vowing to add an ingredient
> > to the product to make it taste worse and prevent people from drinking
> > it. Does anyone else remember hearing about this?
>
> Haven't heard it, but it's not terribly dissimilar to reports from Russia
> of people getting the alcohol from shoe polish during vodka shortages.
In Finland all industrial spirits are dyed blue ans denaturized to prevent
them from being drunk. However the
winos do distill the stuff through a dried-out bread loaf and consume it
readily. Actually the street-name for a wino derives from a product used to
polish wood floors. When I was a security guard we apprehended a few
derelicts, not from the beer counter, but from the perfumes. A few brands of
rubbing alcohol and aftershave were "good tasting". Also a detergent with
toluene was a popular item, but with a younger crowd. They sometimes bought
it with a few plastic bags.
I thought it was for sniffing purposes only, until one totally stoned fellow
burped and I swear the fumes from his breath turned our little
tobacco-stained holding cell lily-white.
What comes to the tax on booze a liter of cheapest 40% costs about US$12...go
figure.
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Paul Tomblin
>In Finland all industrial spirits are dyed blue ans denaturized to prevent
>them from being drunk. However the
>winos do distill the stuff through a dried-out bread loaf and consume it
>readily. Actually the street-name for a wino derives from a product used to
During World War II, it was said that submariners used to drink torpedo fuel
that had been strained through a loaf of bread. I'm not sure if that was
true, or just an excuse for the horrendously bad performance of US torpedoes
through the early years of the war.
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Darren S A George
>
> A news item on the radio, CKLW (Windsor/Detroit) about 20 years ago
> claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
I doubt lumberjacks drink lysol- lumberjacks make good enough money to
afford real booze, or they get it from someone who smuggles it in from
the states, where it's virtually tax-free.
The people who drink lysol (and similar things) are the street
derilicts, and they'll drink just about anything.
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Terry Nielsen
>
> wondering wrote:
> >
> > A news item on the radio, CKLW (Windsor/Detroit) about 20 years ago
> > claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
> > This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
>
> I doubt lumberjacks drink lysol- lumberjacks make good enough money to
> afford real booze, or they get it from someone who smuggles it in from
> the states, where it's virtually tax-free.
>
> The people who drink lysol (and similar things) are the street
> derilicts, and they'll drink just about anything.
The sad irony of that statement is that here on the west coast of Canada
our forestry industry is falling apart and many lumberjacks and their
families are on the verge of being on the streets.
The 'skid row' area in Vancouver is infamous for for stores that carry
cooking wine, which isn't regulated. Despite being heavily salted, the
derelicts drink the stuff.
--
-Terry Nielsen
Maple Ridge, B.C.
Canada
Dan Hartung
<362105...@ualberta.ca>...
> wondering wrote:
> >
> > A news item on the radio, CKLW (Windsor/Detroit) about 20 years ago
> > claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
> > This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
>
> I doubt lumberjacks drink lysol- lumberjacks make good enough money to
> afford real booze, or they get it from someone who smuggles it in from
> the states, where it's virtually tax-free.
Actually, this kind of thing is very common not just among derelicts,
but among people stranded or imprisoned without access to
proper alcoholic drinks: prisoners, soldiers, and I imagine that
lumberjacks would fit this category from time to time.
Vic K.
[snip]
> During World War II, it was said that submariners used to drink torpedo fuel
> that had been strained through a loaf of bread. I'm not sure if that was
> true, or just an excuse for the horrendously bad performance of US torpedoes
> through the early years of the war.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin, ptom...@xcski.com.
> "and by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it."
> - Russ Allbery draws a line in the sand for Usenet.
> (http://www.xnet.com/~raven/Sysadmin/Rant.html)
No, the Mk.8 was just a bad torpedo. They failed to detonate about 60%
of the time.
The UL I heard about Torpedo Juice was that they originally used
drinkable alcohol (ethanol?) and the Navy didn't want drunk submariners
so they switched to denatured alcohol without telling anybody and the
Navy now had blind and dead submariners. Rather having drunk sailors
than dead ones, they switched back.
Anyone hear this one?
VK
Boofniff
torpedo tubes
as it was a offense to have aboard.
Simon Slavin
ptom...@canoe.xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
> In a previous article, "H.W.M." <mun...@spam.com> said:
> >In Finland all industrial spirits are dyed blue ans denaturized to prevent
> >them from being drunk. However the
> >winos do distill the stuff through a dried-out bread loaf and consume it
> >readily. Actually the street-name for a wino derives from a product used to
>
> During World War II, it was said that submariners used to drink torpedo fuel
> that had been strained through a loaf of bread. I'm not sure if that was
> true, or just an excuse for the horrendously bad performance of US torpedoes
> through the early years of the war.
I heard a similar story from my father who was in the Merchant Navy.
Lucky him: since there's no way to keep booze off of an MN ship any
ban against drinking would just lead to looting of the cargo.
Consequently instead of a ban on drinking they just made the rules
against being unfit for duty and being unruly ten times tougher.
Strangely enough, the filter in this UL often seems to be bread but
I don't know of any slang that's grown up because of this use.
Simon.
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"H.W.M." <mun...@spam.com> wrote:
> In Finland all industrial spirits are dyed blue ans denaturized to prevent
> them from being drunk. However the
> winos do distill the stuff through a dried-out bread loaf and consume it
> readily. Actually the street-name for a wino derives from a product used to
> derelicts, not from the beer counter, but from the perfumes. A few brands of
> rubbing alcohol and aftershave were "good tasting". Also a detergent with
> toluene was a popular item, but with a younger crowd. They sometimes bought
> it with a few plastic bags.
> I thought it was for sniffing purposes only, until one totally stoned fellow
> burped and I swear the fumes from his breath turned our little
> tobacco-stained holding cell lily-white.
I spent one summer at a Helsinki equivalent of E.R. and witnessed a number of
near-lethal cases of Lysol drinkers; the distillation process wasn´t always
up to notch. An interesting side effect was that many of these unfortunate
fellows had a blue skin tone, like the Tuaregs. I had to undress and wash
them, and usually their legs showed marked signs of frost-damage which didn´t
add to the comfort. But it was all in the day´s work.
Lustig
> What comes to the tax on booze a liter of cheapest 40% costs about US$12...go
> figure.
>
> --
> Henry Wilhelm >>> henry.w @ gnwmail.com <<<
> *********************************************
> * I could be bounded in a nut-shell, *
> * and count myself a king of infinite space,*
> * were it not that I have bad dreams *
> *********************************************
>
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Daniel Case wrote in message <01bdf4d3$31619f00$858e82d1@dancase>...
>> claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
>> This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
>> to the product to make it taste worse and prevent people from drinking
>> it. Does anyone else remember hearing about this?
>>
>>
>
>of people getting the alcohol from shoe polish during vodka shortages.
I recall many years ago reading the autobiography of a toxicologist. At one
point
he worked in a plant which, for some reason, had big baths of phenol sunk
into the
floor (may have been a tannery).
One of the workers fell into the phenol bath up to his hips. Apparently
phenol
is toxic through skin absorption, but it takes some time for the amount
absorbed to
become fatal, and the standard treatment was to wash the skin with alcohol
which dissolved the phenol. To this end, they kept a gallon of alcohol next
to each pit.
The owners of the plant had regular safety inspections (Which is a UL in
itself considering
this was in the 1930s) and they had noticed that the alcohol kept
disappearing and they
assumed the employees were drinking it. So, over a period of time, they
moved to
a mixture of methanol and ethanol denatured further with pyridine and aloes.
When the worker fell in the phenol pit, the first thing the first aid people
went for was the alcohol. the bottle was empty. The worker died.
Richard Casady
>
> [snip]
> During World War II, it was said that submariners used to drink torpedo fuel
> that had been strained through a loaf of bread. I'm not sure if that was
> true, or just an excuse for the horrendously bad performance of US torpedoes
> through the early years of the war.
On 21 August 1943 Lt. Commander Wayne Merrill took command of the
brand
new submarine Batfish, at the Portsmouth Naval Yard, Nes Hampshire.
He adddressed the crew after the official ceremony:" [snip] torpedo
alcohol is no longer ethyl alcohol with a bad taste you can filter
out through a loaf of bread. It's methyl alcohol. I guess you could
say
the navy has gotten wise.
On 21 Aug 1943, Lt. Commander Wayne Merrill addressed the crew of
the new submarine Batfish, at the Portsmouth Naval Yard, New
Hampshire,
after the official commissioning ceremony. Captain Merrill's words:
" [snip] torpedo alcohol is no longer ethyl alcohol, with a bad
taste
you can filter out through a loaf of bread. It's methyl alcohol. I
you could say that the Navy has gotten wise. Please take my word
that
it will kill you." Evidently the skipper thought that members of his
crew might have ideas along those lines, indicating that it had been
done at an earlier date. Maybe the then senior officers responsible
for the design of the failure prone torpedoes that plagued the subs,
and destroyers, for that matter, did use that excuse. They refused
to address the problems, and they remained unfixed for much of the
war. The Germans had similar problems and fixed them promptly. So
did the brits. Everyone had a magnetic torpedo exploder that didn't
work, but our fish had other problems, especially running far deeper
than set, often going under the target. I have read accounts of Navy
ethanol, used in compasses, for cleaning optics, and drying
electronics.
as well as for torpedo fuel, and, medically as well, and it seems to
have been kept locked up, and was accounted for. Sailors and drunks
are both noted for cleverness, and seems clear that there was
an actual problem with sailors getting into the industrial ethanol.
It was 190 proof, by the way, your basic everclear. Quote is from:
'Batfish' Hughston E Louder, with Jack Scott, Prentiss Hall, 1980.
Casady
Khann
> Paul Tomblin wrote:
<snip>
> > During World War II, it was said that submariners used to drink torpedo
> The UL I heard about Torpedo Juice was that they originally used
> drinkable alcohol (ethanol?) and the Navy didn't want drunk submariners
> so they switched to denatured alcohol without telling anybody and the
> Navy now had blind and dead submariners. Rather having drunk sailors
> than dead ones, they switched back.
Re the bread filter: I don't know what degree of scientific truth
attaches to the use of bread as a filter but I have seen references to
the fact that it was widely believed to work. As a child I knew a man
who had been blinded by drinking methanol filtered through bread. He -
and others - had been part of a group selling stolen military medical
methanol during WWII. Caught by admitting the source of his ailment he
was not charged for theft as cosmic justice had already intervened.
Re torpedo fuel: I once read a paperback memoire by a Yank PT boat
officer - can't remember the name of the book but I believe he located
his story in the Solomon Islands. He referred to the local drink of
choice as "Tulagi Torpedoes" - a mixture of medical ethanol and
pineapple juice. I don't recall any mention of methanol though perhaps
the use of medical ethanol was a substitute for torpedo fuel - hence
(perhaps) the name of the drink.
Re subject: I doubt that many lumerjacks would drink Lysol - they're
paid well enough to afford to get drunk properly. However, the use of
non-potable alcohol and solvents it is a periodic scandal within
Amerindian communities, particularly remote northern ones. Since many
Amerinds work in the woods this could be a vector worth checking.
stanislav shalunov
> [...] Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
About ten years ago it was next to impossible to buy liquid
deodorants, parfums, insect killing sprays and such stuff in Soviet
Union. Recommended reading: Venedikt Erofeev, _Moskva--Petushki_.
I've seen a decent English translation, but I can't seem to remember
the name of the translator. This ref would do to confirm the custom
(from Amazon.com):
Moscow to the End of the Line (European Classics)
by Venedikt Erofeev, H. William Tjalsma (Translator),
Vera S. Dunham (Introduction)
Our Price: $10.36
Paperback - 164 pages Reprint edition (September 1994)
Northwestern Univ Pr;
ISBN: 0810112000
Dimensions (in inches): 0.49 x 7.76 x 5.12
> This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
This was because of government campaign against alcohol. It was too
difficult to get booze.
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Chris W
>
> A news item on the radio, CKLW (Windsor/Detroit) about 20 years ago
> This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
> to the product to make it taste worse and prevent people from drinking
> it. Does anyone else remember hearing about this?
Well, when I was growing up in the East Kootenay region of British
Columbia, it was commonly known that the native Indians[1] and other
people of low esteem and lack of wealth drank Lysol and aftershave to
the point of intoxication. I remember seeing empty bottles of Lysol and
people lying unconscious in the ditch along the road (that I lived on)
toward the Indian Mission, and also in town in the back alleys. This
was so common to the extent that (at least it was commonly believed, but
perhaps it was ULish) there was a city bylaw that Lysol could not be
sold by the case by any store to any individual[2]. I've never heard
anything about the lumberjacks in the area as they made a fair enough
amount of money that they could afford to buy real Kokanee[3], even
while they were on pogey[4] for the winter.
[1]This isn't a slam in any way on North American First Peoples. The
Kootenay tribe was particularly poor.
[2]more commonly read: Indian
[3]Kootenay's wonderfull pilsener
[4]Unemployment Insurance
Chris Webb
Paul Seaman
wondering wrote in message <36201c64...@news.flash.net>...
>A news item on the radio, CKLW (Windsor/Detroit) about 20 years ago
>claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
>This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
<drivel snip>
Having known two different "Canadian Lumberjacks" (they prefer to be called
"loggers", honest), I can honestly say it'd shock me to find them sneaking
sips of cleanser from their metal mickey reservoirs. That's a very odd
story, I have witnessed a few down-on-their-luck people inhale the aerosol
version of Lysol, as well as drink (blech) Javex bleach. Honest.
I also thought I'd add that I never thought Lysol had an agreeable taste to
it. Granted, I've also never had the temptation to pour myself a nice tall,
frosty glass of it after a hard day's work, but to each his own.
Paul "I thought it had vitamin C in it and stuff" Seaman
David and/or Jackie Laderoute
wrote:
>wondering wrote:
>>
>> A news item on the radio, CKLW (Windsor/Detroit) about 20 years ago
>> claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
>> This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
>> to the product to make it taste worse and prevent people from drinking
>> it. Does anyone else remember hearing about this?
> This
>was so common to the extent that (at least it was commonly believed, but
>perhaps it was ULish) there was a city bylaw that Lysol could not be
>sold by the case by any store to any individual[2].
I lived for a time in Kenora, Ontario - well known as the hub of the
beautiful Lake of the Woods tourist industry, and equally well known as
a town that experiences a particular problem with the combination of
alcohol and Native Canadians, as it is surrounded by three "dry" First
Nations. (This is not an UL; the evidence is all too readily come by.)
And while I doubt that there was any particular by-law in effect, I also
know that I could not buy *real* flavour extracts (in particular,
vanilla) without requesting it at customer service, while the artificial
extracts (sans alcohol) were available on the shelves.
Jackie "mind you, Kenora experiences a lot of trouble with alcohol in
general" Laderoute
Richard Casady
I seem to recall that the Skipper hid his torpedo supply in the
tubes
and if you tried to discard a fish, to make room, somebody would
notice. Firing a torpedo is rather noisy, not to mention the
explosion,
and even misses blew at the end of their run. Somehow this doesn't
seem
too likely, and in general it is hard to hide anything large in a
sub.
My library records instances of booze being smuggled on board,
without
success, usually, but I don't say it can't be done. The tubes are
not the place. The bilges, under the engines, might work if enough
of the engine operators were in on it. Skipper might look, however.
This supposed to be a troll? Get real. Do WebTV and AOL have a
competitor?: I don't recognize the ISP.
Casady
Jesus H. Christ
"ocean". This is a mixture of Aqua-Net hairspray and water.
Dan Hartung wrote:
> Darren S A George <my_na...@ualberta.ca> wrote in article
> <362105...@ualberta.ca>...
> > wondering wrote:
> > >
> > > A news item on the radio, CKLW (Windsor/Detroit) about 20 years ago
> > > claimed that Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
> > > This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
> >
Dr Mncni
I once saw a documentary about an Indian reservation where alcohol was
outlawed. Apparently they had quite a problem with Lysol and he like, which
they called "Cheyanne Champagne".
Glenn Dowdy
>
> Boofniff wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall reading that the sub crew used to hide alcohol in the
> > torpedo tubes
> > as it was a offense to have aboard.
>
> I seem to recall that the Skipper hid his torpedo supply in the
> tubes
> and if you tried to discard a fish, to make room, somebody would
> notice. Firing a torpedo is rather noisy, not to mention the
> explosion,
> and even misses blew at the end of their run. Somehow this doesn't
> seem
> too likely, and in general it is hard to hide anything large in a
> sub.
> My library records instances of booze being smuggled on board,
> without
> success, usually, but I don't say it can't be done. The tubes are
> not the place. The bilges, under the engines, might work if enough
> of the engine operators were in on it. Skipper might look, however.
From what I remember from discussions in sci.military.naval, torpedoes
are not stored in the tubes, as it is hard to perform maintenance on
them. I believe they are only loaded as needed (or potentially needed).
According to some smn posters, the Royal Navy does use torpedo tubes for
beer storage [1]
Glenn Dowdy
[1] DejaNews search on 'torpedo' + 'beer' yielded no "we did", only
"they do", so although not persactly urban, it hasn't gotten past
folklore yet.
H.W.M.
lus...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> I spent one summer at a Helsinki equivalent of E.R. and witnessed a number of
> near-lethal cases of Lysol drinkers; the distillation process wasn´t always
> up to notch. An interesting side effect was that many of these unfortunate
> fellows had a blue skin tone, like the Tuaregs. I had to undress and wash
> them, and usually their legs showed marked signs of frost-damage which didn´t
> add to the comfort. But it was all in the day´s work.
I promise not to bitch at you in the s.c.n. ng no more....
donal...@my-dejanews.com
> The UL I heard about Torpedo Juice was that they originally used
> drinkable alcohol (ethanol?) and the Navy didn't want drunk submariners
> so they switched to denatured alcohol without telling anybody and the
> Navy now had blind and dead submariners. Rather having drunk sailors
> than dead ones, they switched back.
>
> Anyone hear this one?
I have read a similar story about "Jungle Juice" in a book on the 1942
battles in Papua New Guinea, in this case soldiers desperate for alcohol to
make "Jungle Juice" drained a stored torpedo not realising that it was
denatured alcohol, with lethal results.
G N D
Rob Ellwood
> ...drinking lysol to get drunk.
> This was said to be due to the high Canadian taxes on regular booze.
A cow orker of mine went to college in Nova Scotia
25 years (L) ago. One of the professors specialized in
hobos, and had even lived as a hobo to further his studies.
Dazed by proximity to such greatness, my cow orker and
a cost udent lived as winos for a couple of weeks.
Reports from the field:
1) They were pointed to vanilla extract as a cheap drunk.
They bought the artificial stuff. As already pointed out, the
fake flavouring does not include alcohol.
2) Second try: they bought the real extract. Good point:
the alcoholic content is higher than normal booze. (I do not
recall the exact proof. Sorry; I didn't know it would be on
the quiz.) Bad point: "It felt like a three inch spike had been
driven into your head right here" (pointing to center of fore-
head).
3) Third try: Brut after shave (?). Good-or-bad point:
it did the job. Bad-or-good point: "For a week after that,
every time I burped, I tasted Brut."
4) I believe this last one was actually done by the Mad
Scie... I mean, professor. Take a loaf of bread. Slice off
the top and bottom crusts. Melt Sterno, pour it into the
bread, squeeze out the Sterno, and quaff. Theory: Vile
Poisons are adsorbed by the bread, leaving your brain
relatively undamaged. Practice: OK, he made full professor,
but Nova Scotia?
Source: constantine.gary@ the same ISP as me.
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promise such a thing.
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Richard Casady
>
> Paul Tomblin wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > During World War II, it was said that submariners used to drink torpedo fuel
> > true, or just an excuse for the horrendously bad performance of US torpedoes
> > through the early years of the war.
> >
> > Paul Tomblin, ptom...@xcski.com.
> > "and by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it."
> > - Russ Allbery draws a line in the sand for Usenet.
> > (http://www.xnet.com/~raven/Sysadmin/Rant.html)
>
> No, the Mk.8 was just a bad torpedo. They failed to detonate about 60%
> of the time.
>
> drinkable alcohol (ethanol?) and the Navy didn't want drunk submariners
> so they switched to denatured alcohol without telling anybody and the
> Navy now had blind and dead submariners. Rather having drunk sailors
> than dead ones, they switched back.
>
> Anyone hear this one?
>
Tiny nitpick: the British had a Mk 8 torpedo, designed in 1928,
and was their standard submarine torpedo during WWII, and it was
quite good. Good enough to sink a Brooklyn class cruiser with two
hits out of four fired, from the nuclear attack sub HMS Conqueror.
The Argentine ship, General Belgrano, went down in about twenty
minutes.
Ex-Phoenix, she was the last ship left from Pearl Harbor, Dec 7,
1941.
The US used the Mk14 in subs and the similar, slightly longer Mk15
in
destroyers. The older and small S-boats had a shorter fish, the mk10
We sometimes used the mk10 in the modern fleet boats,as torpedos
were in short supply, Seadragon, for one.[War In The Boats, Ruhe,
Brassey's]
Had we used such a number, it would have been lousy, all our
torpedos came from the same shop. The differences in length, merely
meant a slight difference in range: variation in size of the
compressed air flask, and maybe the warhead, but the moving parts
were similar. What we had was as bad as you say.
As for your story, it is true that the USSR used huge ammounts of
potable alcohol for military purposes, a ton per sortie, with the
MiG
25. It was used to cool the electronics. At Mach 2.8 slowing air to
zero relative to the airplant will heat it close to red hot, so air
cooling was out. Our SR 71 put the heat from its refrigeration
systems into the fuel.
They didn't want dead troops, so they used good stuff, and I can
believe
the US Navy could be as smart as the Ivans.
My source says the Navy switched from ethanol treated to make it
taste foul, something that could be undone, to methanol, the deadly
stuff.
My other post to this thread for the cite on that.
Casady
stanislav shalunov
> Take a loaf of bread. Slice off
> the top and bottom crusts. Melt Sterno, pour it into the
> bread, squeeze out the Sterno, and quaff. Theory: Vile
> Poisons are adsorbed by the bread, leaving your brain
> relatively undamaged. Practice: OK, he made full professor,
> but Nova Scotia?
As we're on the put-on-bread topic:
Cold alcohol jelly sandwich: In a lab environment you often have
access to ``technical'' alcohol. It's not pure enough to drink it
without terrible headaches afterwards. So, you freeze it getting a
kind of jelly (use liquid azote). Put a small amount on bread making
a sandwich. The result is two-in-one: food and booze. (I have
actually tried this while visiting a physicist friend at his work.)
Shoe paste bread: take a small amount of shoe wax. Spread over bread.
Leave overnight. Scrubble the remaining black stuff away. The bread
is supposed to make you drunk. I don't know.
Alcohol drops nasally: take about 1ml of vodka (that is if you have
got any). Apply vodka drops to the inside of your nose. This one is
harmless. You just have to avoid overdozing. You feel drunk in a
matter of seconds but the effect is not very stable and long-lasting.
S.C.Sprong
>Rob Ellwood <rellwoodDEL...@shaw.wave.ca> writes:
[horrible recipe snipped]
>As we're on the put-on-bread topic:
[more horrible recipes snipped]
So Venedikt Jerofejev's, author of 'Moskva-Petu\v{s}ki' [1], was merely
an amateur after all, then?
ObAlcohol: The Enschede Brewery Grolsch's strongest beer, 'The Cannon'
at >12% vol, is mainly exported to the former Soviet Union.
scsprong
[1] transl. 'Moscou sur Vodka', Albin Michel, Paris;
'Moskou op sterk water' uitg. van Oorschot, Amsterdam;
JoAnne Schmitz
Laderoute) wrote:
>I lived for a time in Kenora, Ontario - well known as the hub of the
>beautiful Lake of the Woods tourist industry, and equally well known as
>a town that experiences a particular problem with the combination of
>alcohol and Native Canadians, as it is surrounded by three "dry" First
>Nations. (This is not an UL; the evidence is all too readily come by.)
>And while I doubt that there was any particular by-law in effect, I also
>know that I could not buy *real* flavour extracts (in particular,
>vanilla) without requesting it at customer service, while the artificial
>extracts (sans alcohol) were available on the shelves.
Artificial extracts don't have alcohol in them? I'll be darned, you're right.
I looked it up in "Flavouring the World, the FAQ about SPICES Ver. 1.1 "
available on
http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/faqs/spices/index.html
----
5.3 Products 5.3.1 What is Vanilla Extract?
Vanilla extract is obtained by macerating the cured beans in a
solution of water and alcohol. It might contain sugar or glycerine as
sweeteners or thickeners [5].
Conventional vanilla extracts have a minimum ethanol content of 35%,
and contain the soluble extractives from 1 part by weight of vanilla
beans in 10 parts by volume of hydroalcoholic solution. [5].
5.3.2 How do I differentiate between real and unreal vanilla extract?
``The two best indicators of pure vanilla extract are alcohol content
and price. The alcohol content must be at least 35%; synthetics
usually have no alcohol or at most, about 2%. Any purchases that cost
less than US$25.00 a quart are most likely synthetic.''[7]
5.3.3 What is vanilla flavouring?
It is similar to vanilla extract (see 5.3.1) but contains less
than 35% of ethanol per volume.
[5] J. Purseglove, E. Brown, C. Green, and S. Robbins, Spices, Volume 2.
Longman, 1981.
[7] P. Rain, The Vanilla Cookbook.
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H.W.M.
stanislav shalunov wrote:
> jst...@flash.net (wondering) writes:
>
> > [...] Canadian lumberjacks were drinking lysol to get drunk.
>
> About ten years ago it was next to impossible to buy liquid
> deodorants, parfums, insect killing sprays and such stuff in Soviet
> Union.
On another thread some months back we discussed cars and came up with a thing
that in USSR cars had mostly water in the radiators and needed to be drained
in winter to avoid freezing. This because the alcoholics would go drain and
drink the radiator fluid ( even though it made them go blind) and that
radiator fluid was not easy to get either.
Finskij vodka-turist.
Richard Casady
On the contrary. Subs have always kept all tubes loaded at all
times,
as long has they had at least one fish per tube left. The type 7
U boat sailed with 11 torpedos, 5 in the tubes. The US Gatos had 24,
10 in the tubes. Some modern subs carry no reloads at all, and if
the sailed with the tubes empty, they would sail unarmed. There is
also a difference between the RN, where beer is served to the crew,
and the USN, where beverage alcohol has been forbidden for 80 years.
Josephus Daniels' name is still cursed by thirsty sailors. They have
cushions fitted to kegs to use them for barstools on board RN subs
today, at least the nuclear ones. For maintainence, the fish are
pulled
out, on to the loading skid. Subs have always carried as many
torpedos
as they could build into a boat that size. The modern ones, that are
too
small to carry reloads, don't even have rear doors on the tubes, the
torpedos are loaded in port, from the muzzle. The reference was to
hiding contraband in the USN, not storing legal stuff in another
Navy,
fifty years later. The RN, might even store things, beer or other,
in tubes, in port, where weapons are normally offloaded, and
onloaded just before sailing. I don't think you will find many
references to subs
sailing with empty tubes, in wartime, or, in the USN, at all.
Rarely,
naval mines were carried instead, still possible, and today, both
mines and missles are an alternative to torpedos, but leaving them
in port has never been a standard practice. During the early part of
WWII, there was a US torpedo shortage, and mines were substituted,
and
I could come up with names, and dates, where full torpedo loads were
unavailable, but they always sailed with fish or mines in the tubes,
even if the storage racks were not full. As for loading them when
potentially needed, that is 100% of the time. The enemy has subs
too,
and we shot Japanese ships that were tied to the dock, on at least
one occasion. An ambush while leaving port is nice work if you can
get it. It helps to be able to shoot back if you are the victim.
Of course, if you have shot all the fish, you might as well stow
any empty beer kegs in the tubes, even the very largest subs are
very cramped by almost any standard. I have trouble believing you
are serious, and I am going to post a few facts, to what seems
like a bad troll, in case someone might find them of interest.
Casady
Richard Casady
>
> > The UL I heard about Torpedo Juice was that they originally used
> > drinkable alcohol (ethanol?) and the Navy didn't want drunk submariners
> > so they switched to denatured alcohol without telling anybody and the
> > Navy now had blind and dead submariners. Rather having drunk sailors
> > than dead ones, they switched back.
> >
> > Anyone hear this one?
>
> battles in Papua New Guinea, in this case soldiers desperate for alcohol to
> make "Jungle Juice" drained a stored torpedo not realising that it was
> denatured alcohol, with lethal results.
>
> G N D
>
There were no submarines based in Papua, or anywhere in New Guinea,
But japanese, perhaps, or intended for surface ship, PT boats,
planes
perhaps. That is not a location associated with basing US forces
that I know of. I am more knowledgable on US subs, than say,
destroyers, and I suppose there is cargo in transit. Lots of things
have been mislaid, and if they didn't drain a torpedo, stealing a
can of the stuff from a supply ship seems somewhat possible. Any
further
details? Name of book? Author? I just read the books I cited, but I
know
how it is when its been a while. I might like to read the book.
Casady
donal...@my-dejanews.com
but I
> know how it is when its been a while. I might like to read the book.
> Casady
Book is called 'Milne Bay 1942', it was a collection of accounts regarding the
Battle of Milne Bay which was fought by Australian Troops with some US
assistance (there were 2 companies of US Engineers present). I cnt's remember
the name of the authors at present, but when it appears in my local library
again I'll borrow it and post the details to the group, there are several
stories which are in all likelyhood wartime legends.
I think the torpedo from which the alcohol was taken was of designed to be
launched from an aircraft, but it was of US design.
Graham "Hope that helps" Donald
Richard Casady
>
> Any further details? Name of book? Author? I just read the books I cited,
> but I
>
> > know how it is when its been a while. I might like to read the book.
> > Casady
>
> Book is called 'Milne Bay 1942', it was a collection of accounts regarding the
> Battle of Milne Bay which was fought by Australian Troops with some US
> assistance (there were 2 companies of US Engineers present). I cnt's remember
> the name of the authors at present, but when it appears in my local library
> again I'll borrow it and post the details to the group, there are several
> stories which are in all likelyhood wartime legends.
>
> I think the torpedo from which the alcohol was taken was of designed to be
> launched from an aircraft, but it was of US design.
>
> Graham "Hope that helps" Donald
>
Yes, that helps. I wasn't accusing you of making it up: there is
stuff
in my library that is harder to find, if easier to get to, than the
books
in the professionally run libraries. I posted with new [to me] books
I hadn't had time to forget or mislay. I simply have not studied the
Australian Armies contributions to the Pacific campaigns. Most of
them were off fighting the Germans on 7 Dec 41, and US publishers
have largely overlooked what contributions their Army was able to
make
in the Pacific. I knew that they their Navy took heavy losses.
The title should be enough. Thank you.
Casady
David E. Powell
>Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>>
WONDERFUL discussion of Torpedoes and such snipped...
Didn't torpedo propellant use to be Alchohol? It would make concoctions
stronger or could be drunk itself, were it Ethanol.
David Powell
A Clinton-Free post
Paul J. Adam
<rca...@uswest.net> writes
>Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>> According to some smn posters, the Royal Navy does use torpedo tubes for
>> beer storage [1]
>I have trouble believing you
>are serious, and I am going to post a few facts, to what seems
>like a bad troll, in case someone might find them of interest.
Our 'O'-class SSKs were designed with stern tubes for the short Mark 20
torpedo.
When that weapon was withdrawn and not replaced by any similarly-
shortened torpedo, the stern tubes were not usable with full-length
weapons: so they were indeed employed for beer storage. (I have two ex-
boats CPOs to confirm this :) )
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George Shirley
Ayup, torps on the old Fletcher class can I rode used ethanol for
propellant. Navy put some sort of pink dye in it to discourage drinking.
Half a loaf of bread strained the dye out nicely. Should have seen the
Torpedoman Chiefs face when his torps left the tube and just lay there.
After the skipper reamed a few chiefs butts and they reamed a few EM
butts there weren't any repeats. Of course I don't think any surface
ships carry torpedos anymore do they? I'm about 40 years out of date, we
had guns not missiles, lots more fun going out shooting back then.
<BSEG>
George
Bear
> > Most surface ships carry lightweight torps for ASW, but depending on
> > the navy, the would-be drinker has a choice between Otto fuel and
> > battery acid. Not exactly inviting alternatives :-)
> My question for those who know is, what is OTTO fuel exactly?
Looks like something you race with, down at the palindrome.
Thomas Schoene
<3627FC0E...@iamerica.net>...
> David E. Powell wrote:
> >
[snip]
> > Didn't torpedo propellant use to be Alchohol? It would make
>
> Ayup, torps on the old Fletcher class can I rode used ethanol for
> propellant.
> Of course I don't think any surface
> ships carry torpedos anymore do they?
Most surface ships carry lightweight torps for ASW, but depending on
the navy, the would-be drinker has a choice between Otto fuel and
battery acid. Not exactly inviting alternatives :-)
I'm about 40 years out of date, we
> had guns not missiles, lots more fun going out shooting back then.
Glad to have you around.
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Andrew C. Toppan
> Of course I don't think any surface
> ships carry torpedos anymore do they?
Every surface combatant in the US Navy (and most surface combatants
worldwide) carry torpedoes - usually 12.75" lightweight anti-submarine
torps.
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Steve Atkatz
<David_Po...@email.msn.com> fumbled with the keyboard & wrote:
>Didn't torpedo propellant use to be Alchohol? It would make concoctions
>stronger or could be drunk itself, were it Ethanol.
>
<does W C Fields imitation> Ahhhh yes, Coffee Royal a wonderful
beverage, thank God (or is it Newport) for the Mk 14.
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Paul J. Adam
<gshi...@iamerica.net> writes
>Of course I don't think any surface
>had guns not missiles, lots more fun going out shooting back then.
Still got torpedoes, but they're small ASW homing weapons (12.75"
diameter, ~600lb) now.
The fuel (for the Mark 46 you'd find on a US ship) is OTTO, which is kin
unto nitroglycerine, so drinking it would probably be a very poor idea
:)
Clint experimental
>My question for those who know is, what is
> OTTO fuel exactly?
The fuel for the original Nikolaus Otto (main) engine installed
aboard the Holland VI (one torpedo tube, no beer storage) was, of
course, gasoline.
OTTO fuel is a mystery to me.
OTTO fuel II is a delightful blend of:
propylene glycol dinitrate
2-nitrodiphenyl amine
and dibutyl sebecate.
The description I recieved while qualifying as a Submarine Sailor was
"part oxygen, part nitro". Feel free to verify this with a chemist.
Have Fun,
Clint
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Patrick S Lasswell
Ben Phillipps wrote in message <362828EA...@luff.latrobe.edu.au>...
>My question for those who know is, what is OTTO fuel exactly?
>
>
to combust, useful. Think of what that means, and how it will relate to
your body chemistry. Most of the Torpedomen I knew had fond stories of
being exposed to it and getting a buzz. Most of the Torpedomen I knew were
idiots. I don't know if this was cause or effect.
It is a straw colored liquid with a low vapor point, and can be considered a
blood poison. Chemistry of it's type has been put forth as a possible
propellant for liquid charged projectile weapons, but I don't think much
research is being done in that field since the Commies looked at their
economy and quit the game.
Thomas Tonino
>
> Ben Phillipps asks
> >My question for those who know is, what is
> > OTTO fuel exactly?
'Ottokraftstoff' in German is what you gat at the fuel station: looks
like gasoline to me.
I suppose that in another part of the world the word may have quite
a different meaning... we are talking internal combustion engines
anyway, right?
> The fuel for the original Nikolaus Otto (main) engine installed
> aboard the Holland VI (one torpedo tube, no beer storage) was, of
> course, gasoline.
> OTTO fuel is a mystery to me.
> OTTO fuel II is a delightful blend of:
> propylene glycol dinitrate
> 2-nitrodiphenyl amine
> and dibutyl sebecate.
This sure is an interesting mix. Quit 'nitrous'... sounds fun to know
what the torpedo engine is built like.
Certainly not something to drink.
> Have Fun,
> Clint
Ralph Lindberg
<lass...@home.com> wrote:
>Ben Phillipps wrote in message <362828EA...@luff.latrobe.edu.au>...
>>My question for those who know is, what is OTTO fuel exactly?
>>
>>
>OTTO fuel is a monopropellent that does not need an external oxygen source
>to combust, useful. Think of what that means, and how it will relate to
>your body chemistry. Most of the Torpedomen I knew had fond stories of
>being exposed to it and getting a buzz. Most of the Torpedomen I knew were
>idiots. I don't know if this was cause or effect.
Similar to the 'buzz' you can get from certain glues (ie it's doing
nasty things to you)
Not much more I can add, other then when they spill some while fueling
torpedos, lots of people in full ENVRO suits show up, lots vehicles. I've
even seen the paving ripped up and hauled away to be treated as a
HAZ-Waste
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compounds, and a bunch of stabilizers to keep the "self" from starting
at the wrong time. Deffinately NOT drinkable, skin adsorptive, low
order nural toxin. The days of ethanol steam flash pans are long gone.
Prohibition is in full swing. ; )
MHM
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
road_w...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> "Boofniff" <khil...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
> > I seem to recall reading that the sub crew used to hide alcohol in the
> > torpedo tubes as it was a offense to have aboard.
>
> Must not have been a British sub ;)
Right. englanders woulda swilled it more instantly.
>
>
> RW
Ken Heatley
> >
> > > I seem to recall reading that the sub crew used to hide alcohol in the
> > > torpedo tubes as it was a offense to have aboard.
> >
of the torpedoes were floating in alcohol! It was the same thing in
Europe with Buzz-bomb juice. I used to make GI cocktails in the lab out
of the 95% ethyl alcohol. Cut it in half with water, added a little
glycerine to make it smooth, and mixed it with C-ration lemon powder.
Made a great drink.
Ken, WWII medic, ETO
lew...@ibm.net
>
>
>road_w...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> "Boofniff" <khil...@airmail.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I seem to recall reading that the sub crew used to hide alcohol in the
>> > torpedo tubes as it was a offense to have aboard.
>>
>
>Right. englanders woulda swilled it more instantly.
>
>>
>>
>> RW
>>
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On ships with magnetic compass,, The Quartermaster usually kept a serious
quantity of "compass" alcohol on hand. Stuff came in 5 gal. tins and fit
neatly under the chart room settee. Stuff was pure grain alcohol 190
proof. UUUUMMMMMM GOOD
Retired QM
MDinzey
malfunctioning torp was discovered, its fuel was drained, and diluted with
canned Grapefruit juice. I think the resulting drink was called a "Pink
Lady"...
Matt
Malcolm
MDinzey wrote:
Conversely, my father-in-law always affirmed that the Seventh Army in North
Africa ran lorries on the local curacao. Was anybody there?
M
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James Penrose
: From what I've heard, WWII torpedoes were fueled with alcohol-based fuel. If a
: malfunctioning torp was discovered, its fuel was drained, and diluted with
: canned Grapefruit juice. I think the resulting drink was called a "Pink
: Lady"...
: Matt
Only early on, they switched to wood alchohol and sailors (those who
survived), quit drinkign it pretty damn quickly.
Brian Sefton
>
> Whatever. But wrong, WW2 torpedoes have 2-stroke diesel engines, fact
> freaks!
Sorry but that is nonsense. Many WW2 torpedos were electric and powered
by
various other
types of power. For an in depth discussion of torpedos see:
http://members.dialnet.net/rrupert/ustorp3.html
Brian 'cant think of anything clever to put here 'sefton
Dave Price
>
>
>MDinzey wrote:
>
>> From what I've heard, WWII torpedoes were fueled with alcohol-based fuel.
Wrong. WW2 Torpedoes have 2-stroke diesel engines.
Dave Price
Malcolm wrote in message <3638D37D...@surfaid.org>...
>
>
>MDinzey wrote:
>
>> From what I've heard, WWII torpedoes were fueled with alcohol-based fuel.
Whatever. But wrong, WW2 torpedoes have 2-stroke diesel engines, fact
freaks!