Do the Dutch eat Ostriches?
Paul Woodman
All this talk of Kangaroos in burgers reminds me of the time when I
lived in the Netherlands. In discussing with some Dutch friends
the strange things that people eat, in particular the 19th Century
French eating Poodles, they informed me of the Dutch passion for
Ostrich. I had problems believing this but two years later while
on an AT&T telephony course in Hilversum, Netherlands, with a bunch
of British Telecom engineers, the subject was raised again by them.
These guys swore that they had been to a restaurant in Hilversum and
had eaten Ostrich Steaks that had been advertised on the menu as
Strass Vogel (sp?). These guys didn't speak any Dutch so it would have
been hard for them to make up a name like this. Strass Vogel, roughly
translated is "Road Bird" and presumably is taken from the American
cartoon series "Road Runner", although I don't know if Road Runner is
an Ostrich. This is not an inconceivable use of the Dutch language
for non indigenous items, as the dutch for bicycle is "fiets" and
motorbike is "bromfiets" ie a bicycle that goes "brom, brom, brom".
So enquiring minds want to know - did the French eat Poodles (they still
eat horses), and do the Dutch eat Ostriches?
Tim McGuire
ostrich jerky with him. I tried it, and it didn't taste that much
different than venison jerky. I can't comment on whether the Dutch
eat ostrich, but apparently the Afrikaners and Swazis do.
Tim McGuire
mcg...@cs.tamu.edu
M Darrin Chaney
>So enquiring minds want to know - did the French eat Poodles (they still
>eat horses), and do the Dutch eat Ostriches?
Last month's Discover magazine (probably still in newsstands) has a nice
article about Ostriches in the "Lighter Side" column (worst place to put it,
IMHO). Anyway, she claims that Europeans have eaten it for quite a while, and
refer to it as Strauss. The point of the article is that people are beginning
to raise them in the US now. So, yes, I'd bet that some Dutch eat Ostrich. I
think the French-Poodle connection sounds more like what I've made it out to
be. (French Poodle)
Darrin
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John W. Keating
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>So enquiring minds want to know - did the French eat Poodles (they still
>eat horses), and do the Dutch eat Ostriches?
Well, that's the best use *I* can think of for poodles, but as far as the
birds, all I can say is that a pair of them used to live in a field near
my parent's house in Maryland. When I went back over the summer, they had
disappeared. Pets or pate(sp?), you be the judge...
JWKIII
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Gary Allen
>cartoon series "Road Runner", although I don't know if Road Runner is
>an Ostrich. This is not an inconceivable use of the Dutch language
No, the Road Runner is a road-runner -- A bird native to the southwest.
Gary Allen
Apollo Computer
Chelmsford, MA
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Maarten Litmaath
wo...@praxis.co.uk (Paul Woodman) writes:
)...
)These guys swore that they had been to a restaurant in Hilversum and
)had eaten Ostrich Steaks that had been advertised on the menu as
)Strass Vogel (sp?).
^^^^^^^^^^^^
struisvogel
)These guys didn't speak any Dutch so it would have
)been hard for them to make up a name like this. Strass Vogel, roughly
)translated is "Road Bird"
No, `road bird' would be `straatvogel' (or `wegvogel').
)..., and do the Dutch eat Ostriches?
I was quite surprised to find out that we do!
I imagine ostrich tastes like chicken or turkey.
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Robert Mokry
>had eaten Ostrich Steaks that had been advertised on the menu as
>Strass Vogel (sp?). These guys didn't speak any Dutch so it would have
>been hard for them to make up a name like this. Strass Vogel, roughly
>translated is "Road Bird" and presumably is taken from the American
>cartoon series "Road Runner",
Could it perhaps be taken from "Road Kill"? ;-)
Robert Mokry
>In article <54...@newton.praxis.co.uk> wo...@praxis.co.uk (Paul Woodman) writes:
>....
>>an Ostrich. This is not an inconceivable use of the Dutch language
>....
>
>No, the Road Runner is a road-runner -- A bird native to the southwest.
Yeah, sure. Next you'll be telling us that the Coyote is a coyote. ;-)
Greg Banks
>lived in the Netherlands. In discussing with some Dutch friends
>the strange things that people eat, in particular the 19th Century
>French eating Poodles, they informed me of the Dutch passion for
>Ostrich.
>
>eat horses), and do the Dutch eat Ostriches?
Maybe or maybe not, but I remember a Western Australian farmer who
was raising emus as food. I don't think it caught on...(surprise!) Does
this make Australia the only country that eats both the bearers in
its coat of arms ? :-)
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Jack Campin
> In discussing with some Dutch friends the strange things that people eat,
> in particular the 19th Century French eating Poodles, they informed me of
> the Dutch passion for Ostrich.
My mother used to tell me that the Portuguese were so poor they ate worms.
(I have eaten in Portugal and read a couple of Portuguese cokkbooks; worm
didn't appear on any menu I've seen). Anyone heard this about any other
ethnic group, or know where it came from?
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Tom Neff
>
>I was quite surprised to find out that we do!
>I imagine ostrich tastes like chicken or turkey.
Of course! I think it was George Carlin who long ago pointed out that
EVERY exotic food tastes... just like chicken.
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Beverly Frobisher
Ostrich farms (ranches?) in Colorado. They must be finding a market somewhere!
According to the ranchers, ostrich meat is low in fat/cholesterol and tasty,too!
They are also supposed to be easy animals to raise.
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re:do the french eat poodles?
During the Franco-Prussian war in the 1870s paris was under seige by
the Prussians, and cutoff from regular food supplies for aconsiderable
time. the Parisians ended up eating anything they could lay their hands
on including the inhbitants of the zoo. I have seen photographs or
reproductions of menus from expensive restraunts listing such delights
as fricasee of elephant, sauteed aardvaark etc.
Presumably the plebs ate anything that was slower than they including
poodles.
First pots from me so excuse the mistakes.
John CarmichaDept of Chemistry Melbourne University Melbourne Victoria Austrael
Phil Kernick
>All this talk of Kangaroos in burgers ...
[ LOT'S DELETED ]
I can imagine that if you were expecting to get beef, and you got
kangaroo instead then you would have a perfect right to get _VERY_
upset. However, how many of you people in net.land have ever tried
kangaroo? It is the native animal of my country (yes Australia :-),
and they are culled in their thousands each year to keep their
population in check. I have had kangaroo fillets in an _EXTREMELY_
expensive restaurant, and I must say that I much enjoyed them.
The meat tastes to me more like a game fowl (seriously) than it does
to beef or lamb. Even the University bisro sells kangaroo steaks!
Some restaurants are now selling crocodile steaks too!
This would have been my 2c worth, but since the government took 1c and 2c
coins out of circulation on October 1, it will have to be my 5c worth !!!
Phil.
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James Preston
> I don't know about the Dutch, but *somebody* is eating them! There are several
> Ostrich farms (ranches?) in Colorado. They must be finding a market somewhere!
>
> According to the ranchers, ostrich meat is low in fat/cholesterol and tasty,too!
> They are also supposed to be easy animals to raise.
Time for the intrusion of some more ugly facts. There was an article in a
recent issue of _Discover_ magazine about this. Seems that there is a
rather large effort going on to bring ostrich meat to the dinner tables
of America. They think that in two or three years (if memory serves)
they can have enough of a stock of birds to support an industry. The
article was pretty interesting, sort of focusing on the humorous problem
of coming up with a name for the meat, you know, like we call cow meat
beef and pig meat pork to disguise the fact that we're eating poor animals.
Of course, the author didn't explain why turkey and chicken don't need
to be so disguised. Not only is it low in fat/cholesterol, but it has a
coloring closer to beef and is the first known example of a "new" meat
that doesn't taste "kind of like chicken". Really.
Anyway, if anyone is interested, I can post a reference to the exact
issue, and maybe even some fair-use excerpts.
--James Preston
Jim Dobbs
I should mention, before anyone sends email in Dutch, that this is
NOT J.Dobbs.
Our guest panelist this evening is Nancy (Hermans) Rubel, formerly
of Amsterdam, Holland.
>All this talk of Kangaroos in burgers reminds me of the time when I
>lived in the Netherlands. In discussing with some Dutch friends
>the strange things that people eat, in particular the 19th Century
>French eating Poodles, they informed me of the Dutch passion for
>Ostrich. I had problems believing this but two years later while
>on an AT&T telephony course in Hilversum, Netherlands, with a bunch
>of British Telecom engineers, the subject was raised again by them.
>These guys swore that they had been to a restaurant in Hilversum and
>had eaten Ostrich Steaks that had been advertised on the menu as
>Strass Vogel (sp?). These guys didn't speak any Dutch so it would have
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Proper spelling is 'Struis Vogel', which means 'Ostrich' in Dutch.
Struis means vain in Dutch.
>been hard for them to make up a name like this. Strass Vogel, roughly
>translated is "Road Bird" and presumably is taken from the American
^^^^^^^^^
In GERMAN, 'Strasse' means 'street'.
>cartoon series "Road Runner", although I don't know if Road Runner is
>an Ostrich. This is not an inconceivable use of the Dutch language
>for non indigenous items, as the dutch for bicycle is "fiets" and
>motorbike is "bromfiets" ie a bicycle that goes "brom, brom, brom".
>So enquiring minds want to know - did the French eat Poodles (they still
>eat horses), and do the Dutch eat Ostriches?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No, but I did like that stuffed giraffe neck I had last year in UK. :-)
-Nancy
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Boyd Roberts
>I can imagine that if you were expecting to get beef, and you got
>kangaroo instead then you would have a perfect right to get _VERY_
>upset. However, how many of you people in net.land have ever tried
>kangaroo?
Yeah, I have. The meat is really lean and tastes great.
Pity that it's not legal in all states.
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Topher Eliot
|> had eaten Ostrich Steaks that had been advertised on the menu as
|> Strass Vogel (sp?).
Indeed, they do eat Ostrich, but it is a specialty item, not regularly
consumed. She told me the name, and it sounded something like "Strasss
Vogel".
|> This is not an inconceivable use of the Dutch language
|> for non indigenous items, as the dutch for bicycle is "fiets" and
|> motorbike is "bromfiets" ie a bicycle that goes "brom, brom, brom".
She confirmed this, too. She also said that there are bicyle path signs
that say, effectively, "fiets path, no broming".
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Dik T. Winter
> |> These guys swore that they had been to a restaurant in Hilversum and
> |> had eaten Ostrich Steaks that had been advertised on the menu as
> |> Strass Vogel (sp?).
endeavour to describe it, as you cannot pronounce the 'ui' how much you try.
> |> This is not an inconceivable use of the Dutch language
> |> for non indigenous items, as the dutch for bicycle is "fiets" and
> |> motorbike is "bromfiets" ie a bicycle that goes "brom, brom, brom".
> She confirmed this, too.
'motorfiets'. Resp.: 'bicycle', 'whirring bicycle', 'buzzing bicycle'
and 'motor bicycle' aka 'motorbike'. However these are all recent terms.
Previously they were: ('snorfiets' is very recent, so no earlier term)
'rijwiel' (riding wheel), 'rijwiel met hulpmotor' (riding wheel with
auxiliary motor) and 'motorrijwiel' (riding wheel with motor). I will not
go into the differences. Satisfied?
> She also said that there are bicyle path signs
> that say, effectively, "fiets path, no broming".
are two kinds of paths for bicycles (yes, we do everything multiple ways to
confuse everybody). Motorbikes are not allowed on both kinds. 'Snorfietsen'
and 'bromfietsen' are allowed on one kind only and the other kind allows
bicycles without motor only (that is the path the sign above refers to).
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