Don't Bogart That Joint
Kerro
not just from the title of a song but from supposedly being a "Hippy" term
for encouraging someone not to hog....you know.
I certainly never heard anyone use the term in real life and, more importantly,
don't get the "Bogart" reference. It appears to be some kind of a play on words
which has escaped me for three decades. No doubt it's something completely
obvious (once it's been explained to me) but, could someone.....explain?
Kerro
Daniel Ucko
wrote:
Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
want a drag too.'
Daniel '' Ucko
--
'Ahh, too busy to do our homework, for a claim you pulled unwashed
from your gerbil hole.'
- Lon Stowell explains 'burden of proof' again on AFU.
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Lara Hopkins
> Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net> wrote:
> >[snip] I certainly never heard anyone use the term in real life and, more
> >importantly, don't get the "Bogart" reference.[snip]
>
> Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
> virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
> 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
> want a drag too.'
I had thought this was relatively obscure slang, but it seems it's in
plenty of slang dictionaries. "Bogart" appeared as a Word Of The Day in
1997 [1], and it featured at Word Detective [2] in 1999. Word Detective
attests that " The first recorded instance of this use of "bogart" was
in the 1969 film "Easy Rider". Here are the song lyrics to "Don't Bogart
That Joint" from Easy Rider:
<http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/DONTBOGA.H
TM>
Lara
[1] < http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970916 >
[2] <http://www.word-detective.com/122099.html#bogart>
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K.D.
"Daniel Ucko" <d.u...@physics.org> wrote in message
news:7p3q5ugsjuocfnosf...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
>
> virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
> 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
> want a drag too.'
Wait a minute -- what happened to the research, citations, and serious
academic analysis for which AFU is allegedly so (in)famous? Especially from
one of the AFU inner circle / keepers of the faith?
Or, is AFU now in the business of *starting* urban legends?
Anyway, I think that term took off due to its inclusion in the film Easy
Rider, namely in the song by the name, "Don't Bogart Me" (also known as
"Don't bogart That Joint") by Fraternity of Man, lead vocals by Larry
Wagner. Here's a site where you can hear an audio clip of the tune:
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=8811915322
Don't bogart that joint my friend,
Pass it over to me.
Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me.
Roll another one
Just like the other one
This one's burnt to the end
Come on and be a friend
Don't bogart that joint my friend,
Pass it over to me.
Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me.
Ro-o-o-o-o-ll another one
Just like the other one
You've been hanging on to it
And I sure would like a hit
Don't bogart that joint my friend,
Pass it over to me.
Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me
The song was also subsequently recorded by Little Feat.
I have never read or heard anything one way or another as to the derivation
of the phrase and whether or not it refers to Humphrey Bogart -- other than
Daniel's proclamation (opinion) above. I have, in subsequent years, also
heard a variation of the phrase: "Don't bogard that joint."
This piqued my interest, so I have e-mailed one of the co-writers and a few
other folks associated with the song for further insight (what a concept,
huh?). If and when any of them gets back with me, I'll let you know in
private e-mail. I won't bother posting it to the list in that Daniel seems
to have given us his opinion. Which, given that he is one of the AFU honor
council, is probably sufficient for the rest of 'em. Any further
information on the point, especially by me, would probably be considered
inconsequential, a distraction, downright wrong, and/or otherwise unwanted.
-KD
I think this post warrants a smiley: 8-]
Lara Hopkins
> Anyway, I think that term took off due to its inclusion in the film Easy
> Rider, namely in the song by the name, "Don't Bogart Me" (also known as
> "Don't bogart That Joint") by Fraternity of Man, lead vocals by Larry
> Wagner.
I almost got lost amongst all the snidery and sour grapes, but it seems
you're muddling "origins" and "first recorded instance". It is likely
that the word was included in the song because it was already used in
pot culture circles.
> This piqued my interest, so I have e-mailed one of the co-writers and a
> few other folks associated with the song for further insight (what a
> concept, huh?).
Before you fly off on your Tangent Of Paragonical Original Research,
check out a slang dictionary or two, or alt.usage.english, or Google.
NTYRT.
Lara
Anthony McCafferty
<d.u...@physics.org> writes:
>Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
>virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
>'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
>want a drag too."
I suspect that two other things played in: one was "bogart" or "do a
bogart" meaning "push around"; picture Sam Spade reasoning with Joel Cairo.
The other was Bogey in "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre", in which every
character tried to bogart every thing. As you say, though, the image of a
surgically attached cigarette is what drove it.
Anthony "Cites? We doan got no steenking cites.[1]" McCafferty
[1] Yes, I know. It's shorter this way.
Lee Ayrton
On or about Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Kerro of ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net wrote:
> Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
> not just from the title of a song but from supposedly being a "Hippy" term
> for encouraging someone not to hog....you know.
>
> I certainly never heard anyone use the term in real life and, more
I guess it depended on which circle of friends you were with. It was a
common enough term to me in the last half of the 1970s in the northeastern
corner of the USofA. I don't wish to start a "band names that are about
drugs" thread, but someone once taught me how to fashion a roach clip from
a split paper match. He called it a "Jefferson Airplane". Folk
etymology? Perhaps.
Lee "Oh, no no no, I don't smoke it no more...." Ayrton
Gary Keltz
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early
>>70's; not just from the title of a song but from supposedly being a
>>"Hippy" term for encouraging someone not to hog....you know.
>>
[snip]
> Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
> virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
> 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
> want a drag too.'
>
> Daniel '' Ucko
I think these photos explain it best.
http://www.sea.fi/foto/bogie.jpg
http://www.allposters.com/images/23/009_224-023_M.jpg
He was often shown using right down to the end.
Gary
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TLD is net
John Gilmer
> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
> >not just from the title of a song but from supposedly being a "Hippy"
term
> >for encouraging someone not to hog....you know.
> >
> >I certainly never heard anyone use the term in real life and, more
importantly,
> >don't get the "Bogart" reference. It appears to be some kind of a play on
words
> >which has escaped me for three decades. No doubt it's something
completely
> >obvious (once it's been explained to me) but, could someone.....explain?
>
> Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
> virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
> 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
> want a drag too.'
It has more to do with inserting the smoke further into your mouth than is
absolutely necessary to extract smoke. While you are stuck with the fact
that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
cms
wrote:
In my experience, that particular offense has always been termed
"fishlipping," and applies to shared cigarettes as well.
cms the inexperienced, officer
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>On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:23:11 -0500, "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net>
>wrote:
...
>>It has more to do with inserting the smoke further into your mouth than is
>>absolutely necessary to extract smoke. While you are stuck with the fact
>>that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
>>really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
>
>In my experience, that particular offense has always been termed
>"fishlipping," and applies to shared cigarettes as well.
I'm glad to have that report of a change in idiom. Forty years
ago in my neighborhood of Cleveland, Ohio, where you write "fish"
a different word was used, making the whole expression one that
reflected badly on the speaker then and there, and would reflect
much worse on the speaker here and now. I only ever heard the
expression used about cigarettes, mostly likely just because at
that time I was innocent of all exposure to illegal smokeables.
Lee "I had been going to write `...at that time I only knew
about smoking tobacco', when I suddenly remembered the
PEACE cigarettes I sometimes bought downtown at the Arcade:
a Japanese brand, made from cabbage leaves as I recall, and
sold in `health food' stores of all places" Rudolph
Songbyrd11
KD is handed the joint and without taking a puff says,
>Wait a minute -- what happened to the research, citations, and serious
>academic analysis for which AFU is allegedly so (in)famous? Especially from
>one of the AFU inner circle / keepers of the faith?
KD stares at the joint and almost takes a drag, but then adds:
>
>Or, is AFU now in the business of *starting* urban legends?
KD laughs and at how funny KD is, and says,
>Anyway, I think that term took off due to its inclusion in the film Easy
>Rider, namely in the song by the name, "Don't Bogart Me" (also known as
>"Don't bogart That Joint") by Fraternity of Man, lead vocals by Larry
>Wagner. Here's a site where you can hear an audio clip of the tune:
>
>http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=8811915322
The joint is half gone and KD is still holding court while holding the dope.
Now KD wastes more of the Gold by singing:
>
>Don't bogart that joint my friend,
>Pass it over to me.
>Don't bogart that joint, my friend
>Pass it over to me.
>
>Roll another one
>Just like the other one
>This one's burnt to the end
>Come on and be a friend
>
>Don't bogart that joint my friend,
>Pass it over to me.
>Don't bogart that joint, my friend
>Pass it over to me.
>
>Ro-o-o-o-o-ll another one
>Just like the other one
>You've been hanging on to it
>And I sure would like a hit
>
>Don't bogart that joint my friend,
>Pass it over to me.
>Don't bogart that joint, my friend
>Pass it over to me
>
>The song was also subsequently recorded by Little Feat.
KD is about to puff but has to do a throat clearing and say this:
>I have never read or heard anything one way or another as to the derivation
>of the phrase and whether or not it refers to Humphrey Bogart -- other than
>Daniel's proclamation (opinion) above. I have, in subsequent years, also
>heard a variation of the phrase: "Don't bogard that joint."
KD notices the joint, now a roach, (And it is called that cause it looks like a
black bug, but feel free to write High Times about it and email the results to
others) and asks someone for a clip and a match, continuing:
>This piqued my interest, so I have e-mailed one of the co-writers and a few
>other folks associated with the song for further insight (what a concept,
>huh?). If and when any of them gets back with me, I'll let you know in
>private e-mail. I won't bother posting it to the list in that Daniel seems
>to have given us his opinion. Which, given that he is one of the AFU honor
>council, is probably sufficient for the rest of 'em. Any further
>information on the point, especially by me, would probably be considered
>inconsequential, a distraction, downright wrong, and/or otherwise unwanted.
KD turns to the host of the circle and says, in a throaty voice, after finally
taking a drag, "Got any more, I only got a single hit."
Song
Song "wow, I have a middle space" byrd
Typos are not intentional, I just can't spell for shit, Dave at least has an
excuse
Songbyrd11
>It has more to do with inserting the smoke further into your mouth than is
>absolutely necessary to extract smoke. While you are stuck with the fact
>that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
>really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
That would not make sense if the song correctly uses the word. In it, it says,
Don't Bogart that joint, pass it over to me.
Lipping, which is what people called it, in a politically correct manor in the
late 60's, because in the early 60's the term lipping included the N word with
it.
Daniel Ucko
<gil...@crosslink.net> wrote:
>>"Daniel Ucko" <d.u...@physics.org> wrote in message
>news:7p3q5ugsjuocfnosf...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
>> >not just from the title of a song but from supposedly being a "Hippy"
>> >term for encouraging someone not to hog....you know.
>>
>> Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
>> virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
>> 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
>> want a drag too.'
>
>It has more to do with inserting the smoke further into your mouth than is
>absolutely necessary to extract smoke. While you are stuck with the fact
>that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
>really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
Oh I agree this is an atrocious faux-pas in smoker circles, but I fail
to see how this has anything to do with 'Bogart.'
I have however, in deference to K.D., checked a bit further than I did
this morning. Late night conversations with my friends (which was my
cite) are not on the web, remarkably, though I feel they should be
since I always remember them as pretty damned funny. Funnier than K.D.
and her whining prissy complaints about how other people aren't doing
enough research to satisfy her endless thirst for knowledge, or more
likely her endless thirst for points scoring in favour of actually
being useful or even slightly interesting.
But I digress...
Anyway, for those who think I can't back up what I say, here's a cite
from The Rules of Pot Etiquette. Good reading if you're ever going to
get into this habit, especially for that Mrs Rittenhouse clone K.D.
who probably thinks it should be smoked through the ear.
http://home.earthlink.net/~jrpothead/et1.html
'But what is bogarting? Common wisdom is that bogarting has no set
definition, but is more defined by using the equation
how many people
how much weed
If there is plenty of weed to go around, Bogarting is not an issue.
However, if all you have is one little bitty Strizzy style pin joint
and there’s four of you that need a buzz, anything but toke-and-pass
is considered seriously bogartuous behavior. Hopefully you will never
run into this situation.'
Dave Wilton's excellent etymology page has:
http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorb.htm#Bogart
'Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name
became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we
forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation
comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint
in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting
the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. The
term is first attested to in the 1969 film Easy Rider.
In my circles, we had a slightly different definition of bogarting. It
was to get saliva all over the joint before passing it on--again from
the imagery of the cigarette hanging from Bogey's lip. But it seems
that this usage was limited to a small group--obviously one of us
misunderstood what the term generally meant.'
Or maybe not. Since you seem to favour this variant, my conclusion, as
a Keeper of the Flame and Member of the Inner Circle, for whatever
that is worth, is that it probably now means selfish behaviour around
a communal resource like a joint. Whether it is taking several puffs,
dwelling over the cig or slobbering all over it by the aforementioned
tarrying, it seems to be bad behaviour with a joint.
Daniel 'if AFU is a joint, then K.D. is a bogart' Ucko
Ralph Jones
>adaor...@hotmail.com (cms) writes:
>
>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:23:11 -0500, "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net>
>>wrote:
>...
>>>It has more to do with inserting the smoke further into your mouth than is
>>>absolutely necessary to extract smoke. While you are stuck with the fact
>>>that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
>>>really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
>>
>>In my experience, that particular offense has always been termed
>>"fishlipping," and applies to shared cigarettes as well.
>
>I'm glad to have that report of a change in idiom. Forty years
>ago in my neighborhood of Cleveland, Ohio, where you write "fish"
>a different word was used, making the whole expression one that
>reflected badly on the speaker then and there, and would reflect
>much worse on the speaker here and now. I only ever heard the
>expression used about cigarettes, mostly likely just because at
>that time I was innocent of all exposure to illegal smokeables.
Yep, that one was common in Miami too.
rj
Lee Ayrton
On or about Sun, 3 Feb 2002, John Gilmer of gil...@crosslink.net wrote:
>
> "Daniel Ucko" <d.u...@physics.org> wrote in message
> news:7p3q5ugsjuocfnosf...@4ax.com...
> > Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
> > virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
> > 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
> > want a drag too.'
>
> It has more to do with inserting the smoke further into your mouth than is
> absolutely necessary to extract smoke. While you are stuck with the fact
> that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
> really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
Ohhh wow man, like, you've clearly lost your hand at rolling. Or you
weren't using gummed papers[1]. The gummed edge, moistened as ~little~ as
possible when rolled, holds the non-tobacconous cigarette closed. A
little pinch and a crease or two at the ends will do to hold the contents
in until smoked. The very last thing you wanted was to soak the
non-burning end with slobber -- not because it was disgusting but because
the paper would collapse on itself and you'd be unable to draw on it.
Even in the heyday of low-cost, high-quality, gentle-on-the-brane weed I
knew of no one that drew on a joint the way they did on a cigarette,
putting it into their mouth and sucking exclusively through the cigarette.
At least, not more than once. At that concentration even cigar smoke
would have been easier to inhale.
So, I must disagree with your explanation. As used by my red-eyed,
slightly inattentive, gawd-I've-got-the-munchies peers in the 1970s(L) in
the northeastern corner of the UsofA, "Bogarting" had nothing to do with
slobber. We called that slobber. Bogarting was used as Daniel
describes above: Hogging the doobie. And people bogarted pipes, bowls,
bongs, stones, carbs, &c. too.
Hmm. It's been interesting rummaging around in memories I've not called
up in, well, decades. Now I feel like an old fart: "Well, when _I_ was a
kid, we had to..."
Lee "was down to rolling with single papers, but never perfected the
one-handed roll. But I knew people that could, and did." Ayrton
1. E-Z Widers were for amateurs.
Lizz Holmans
wrote:
>Hmm. It's been interesting rummaging around in memories I've not called
>up in, well, decades. Now I feel like an old fart: "Well, when _I_ was a
>kid, we had to..."
This is a staff announcement.
The staff canteen is closed from this minute. All Doritos, Oreos,
Snickers bars, beef jerky, and Chips Ahoy have left the building. The
canteen will re-open tomorrow for breakfast at its usual time of
whenever I feel the right buzz^H^Hget my shit togeth^H^H0420.
Lizz 'C.M.O.T.' Holmans, associate director, Catering and
Entertainment, a proud division of the Whole Cloth Department wow, did
you see that?
Len Berlind
Daniel Ucko <d.u...@physics.org> wrote:
[citeage]
>If there is plenty of weed to go around, Bogarting is not an issue.
Feh. I repudiate such wishy-washy relativism. There is never enough weed
to go around. Every particle of cannabis smoke in the atmosphere that
hasn't taken a trip through at least one human respiratory system is a
shameful waste of a precious resource. Toke and pass is the only
acceptable behavior even if it's a giant Ocho Rios Ganja Super Hash Bomber
and you're rolling in reefer. Or so I've heard.
>Daniel 'if AFU is a joint, then K.D. is a bogart' Ucko
L"If AFU is a joint, then K.D. is stems, seeds, and mold."B
Chris Clarke
lber...@xcski.com (Len Berlind) wrote:
> L"If AFU is a joint, then K.D. is stems, seeds, and mold."B
Oh, how we long for the sinquedilla of yesteryear.
--
Chris Clarke | Editor, Faultline Magazine
www.faultline.org | California Environmental News and Information
Bill Van
Lee Ayrton <lay...@sea.ntplx.net> wrote:
> Ohhh wow man, like, you've clearly lost your hand at rolling. Or you
> weren't using gummed papers[1]. The gummed edge, moistened as ~little~ as
> possible when rolled, holds the non-tobacconous cigarette closed. A
> little pinch and a crease or two at the ends will do to hold the contents
> in until smoked. The very last thing you wanted was to soak the
> non-burning end with slobber -- not because it was disgusting but because
> the paper would collapse on itself and you'd be unable to draw on it.
>
> Even in the heyday of low-cost, high-quality, gentle-on-the-brane weed I
> knew of no one that drew on a joint the way they did on a cigarette,
> putting it into their mouth and sucking exclusively through the cigarette.
> At least, not more than once. At that concentration even cigar smoke
> would have been easier to inhale.
>
Quite right. I think there are several phenomena in play here:
1. Joints. How much moisture was needed depended on a couple of things.
You needed just enough to seal the paper. But if you were rolling
slow-burning, dampish weed, you'd want to wet the outside of the joint a
little to prevent the paper from burning faster than the weed. Some
people got into wetting joints habitually, inserting the rolled units
into their mouths and drawing them back through damp lips. Seems a
little unsanitary to me now, but it was commonplace then.
You're right, there was no need to wet the non-lit end of the joint
further by mouth contact once the thing was burning, and people who did
were either sloppy or inexperienced. By far the best way to smoke such a
unit was not quite to touch it with your lips, suck hard and draw a lot
of ambient air in with the smoke, which made for a cooler, less
concentrated mix going down the throat and into the lungs, and reduced
the chances of blowing the toke. (Speaking of time-worn phrases.)
2. Hand-rolled cigarettes. Shared or not, it made sense to wet the part
that came in contact with your lips just a little. If you didn't, you
risked having the dry paper stick to your lips, with a worst-case
scenario of having a piece of tender lip skin come away with the cig
when you took it out of your mouth. That stings so much I can still feel
it, and I gave up tobacco a long time ago. Ow.
bill (who remembers smoking enough of 1. that when he subsequently lit a
2., he put it between his lips lit-end first, and that stings even more)
van
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>On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:23:11 -0500, "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Daniel Ucko" <d.u...@physics.org> wrote in message
>>news:7p3q5ugsjuocfnosf...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>
>>> Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
>>> virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
>>> 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
>>> want a drag too.'
>>
>>It has more to do with inserting the smoke further into your mouth than is
>>absolutely necessary to extract smoke. While you are stuck with the fact
>>that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
>>really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
>
>In my experience, that particular offense has always been termed
>"fishlipping," and applies to shared cigarettes as well.
Not 'always.' There was a time, and perhaps it extends to today, when
the act had another name -- one that is Unmentionable in public
places, unless a body wishes to possess a lip as fat (supposedly) as
the one in the expression.
Surprising to me, the expression is as well-known here in the American
South, where its use might be expected, as it was in the Northeast
where I grew up.
Anyway, I've heard 'bogarting' used three ways -- hogging the cig,
'lipping' it, and letting it dangle from the lips.
--
Larry Palletti East Point/Atlanta, Georgia
www.palletti.com www.booksonscreen.com
Opinionated, but lovable
"The only difference between eating a dog and eating a cow is that
cows won't fetch your slippers on a cold night." -- Andy Walton
Blinky the Shark
news:1f71spl.1a64b9f1g5bcqeN%use...@waawa.cx:
> Daniel Ucko <d.u...@physics.org> wrote:
>
>> Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net> wrote:
>> >[snip] I certainly never heard anyone use the term in real
>> >life and, more importantly, don't get the "Bogart"
>> >reference.[snip]
>>
>> Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
>> virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's
>> shorthand for 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like
>> some poser, others want a drag too.'
>
> I had thought this was relatively obscure slang, but it seems
> it's in plenty of slang dictionaries. "Bogart" appeared as a
> Word Of The Day in 1997 [1], and it featured at Word Detective
> [2] in 1999. Word Detective attests that " The first recorded
> instance of this use of "bogart" was in the 1969 film "Easy
> Rider". Here are the song lyrics to "Don't Bogart That Joint"
> from Easy Rider:
> <http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/DON
> TBOGA.H TM>
If anyone is interested in a direct *early* citation, dating to very
close to the time of origination already cited, there appears, in
Eugene E. Landy, "The Underground Dictionary", (New York: Simon and
Schuster, 1971):
bogart v. 1. Take longer than necessary to pass a marijuana
cigarette-/eg. Don't bogart that joint./ Comes from the manner in
which actor Humphrey Bogart smoked a cigarette. 2. Hog
--
Blinky
Kerro
I always just assumed it meant hogging the joint, but couldn't understand
what that had to do with Bogart.
Kerro
Kerro
>
> On or about Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Kerro of ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
> > not just from the title of a song but from supposedly being a "Hippy" term
> > for encouraging someone not to hog....you know.
> >
> > I certainly never heard anyone use the term in real life and, more
>
> I guess it depended on which circle of friends you were with.
Another interesting point. In the early 70's, *all* my friends were dope-fiends.
There was, at the time, a great deal of snobbery involved - people who weren't
"Heads" were not taken seriously, no matter how otherwise hip they might have
been. I can remember my girlfriend (who was also a "Head") and I meeting
another young couple who were nice people, quite hip and all that, but didn't
smoke dope. We were both mortified by this as it created an impassable gulf
between us and them. Shallow? Us?
It was a
> common enough term to me in the last half of the 1970s in the northeastern
> corner of the USofA. I don't wish to start a "band names that are about
> drugs" thread, but someone once taught me how to fashion a roach clip from
> a split paper match. He called it a "Jefferson Airplane". Folk
> etymology? Perhaps.
One thing I've noticed that may have been (slightly) different in Australia.
We *always* rolled joints with a filter; made from a bit of cardboard which
came with the rolling papers. Hence, a soggy joint was never an issue that
I can remember.
Kerro.
Ralph Glendenning
"Kerro" <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net> wrote in message
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>
> One thing I've noticed that may have been (slightly) different in
Australia.
> We *always* rolled joints with a filter;
This was how joints were rolled in Europe (still may be, as far as I know),
where a mixture of hash and tobacco was smoked in either "three-" or
"five-skinners" (made with three or five standard size papers).
The cardboard filter (usually a bit of a fag packet) was the "roach".
"Bogarting" was a heinous crime. Hash was expensive.
Ralph
JG
> "Daniel Ucko" <d.u...@physics.org> wrote in message
> news:7p3q5ugsjuocfnosf...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
> >
> > Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
> > virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
> > 'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
> > want a drag too.'
>
> Wait a minute -- what happened to the research, citations, and serious
> academic analysis for which AFU is allegedly so (in)famous? Especially from
> one of the AFU inner circle / keepers of the faith?
Nah, he's just looking for work as a carp, er, capo, in the
association of Clifford, Arlington, Buckingham, Ashley, and
Lauderdale.
> Or, is AFU now in the business of *starting* urban legends?
And possibly vectoring too.
> Anyway, I think that term took off due to its inclusion in the film Easy
> Rider, namely in the song by the name, "Don't Bogart Me" (also known as
> "Don't bogart That Joint") by Fraternity of Man, lead vocals by Larry
> Wagner. Here's a site where you can hear an audio clip of the tune:
<snip lyrics>
That's what I'm finding too. I was surprised to find that the
allusion to Bogart is not conclusive. I heard the term passed around
when I was in high school. Then somebody turned me on to Cheech and
Chong. The problem seems to be finding the first usage, like anybody
remembers.
bogart (v) 1. to steal or hog. ("Don't bogart my cookies!") Origin:
possibly during the 1960s as a drug reference. The band Fraternity of
Man has a song called "Don't Bogart Me." Lyrics include: "Don't bogart
that joint, my friend, pass it over to me." It has been theorized that
the term is an allusion to Humphry Bogart, an American actor who
always had a cigarette hanging from his lips. To "bogart" a joint,
then, would be letting it hang from one's lips without passing it
on[1].
The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette.
Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like
Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. There is an older, unrelated
meaning of the term--to be aggressive or bullying. It comes from the
fact that Bogart played toughs in the movies[2]. Possible
assimilation: Hey meanyhead, don't bogart that thread.
Do you know the slang expression, to bogart? It means to steal or hog.
("Don't bogart my cookies!") Origin: possibly during the 1960s as a
drug reference. It has been theorized that the term is an allusion to
Humphrey Bogart, an American actor who played ostentatiously macho
characters in many of his films, and always had a cigarette hanging
from his lips. To "bogart" a joint, then, would be letting it hang
from one's lips without passing it on. Common usage from the sixties:
"Hey, man, don't Bogart that joint[3].
> The song was also subsequently recorded by Little Feat.
Well, time loves a hero, but only time will tell. I accidently bought
a tape by Little Feet, thinking it was the Little River Band. Okay,
it was in the Navy, the tape in the ship supply store was mislabeled.
I also bought a tape by Lake, thinking it was a solo effort by Greg
Lake. In both cases, I was pleasantly surprised.
> I have never read or heard anything one way or another as to the derivation
> of the phrase and whether or not it refers to Humphrey Bogart -- other than
> Daniel's proclamation (opinion) above. I have, in subsequent years, also
> heard a variation of the phrase: "Don't bogard that joint."
>
> This piqued my interest, so I have e-mailed one of the co-writers and a few
> other folks associated with the song for further insight (what a concept,
> huh?). If and when any of them gets back with me, I'll let you know in
> private e-mail. I won't bother posting it to the list in that Daniel seems
> to have given us his opinion. Which, given that he is one of the AFU honor
> council, is probably sufficient for the rest of 'em. Any further
> information on the point, especially by me, would probably be considered
> inconsequential, a distraction, downright wrong, and/or otherwise unwanted.
>
> -KD
Please lemme know what you find out. So far, according to the
pedantic standards generally adhered to in this froup, the allusion to
Humphrey Bogart is a "theory." That would be classified U, for
Unicorn. Maybe we could ask one of Timothy Leary's friends, using the
six degrees of separation method.
> I think this post warrants a smiley: 8-]
Jer "if she can stand it, I can. Play it!" ry
1. http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wrader/slang/b.html
2. http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorb.htm
3. http://www.activityconnection.com/creativezone/months/december3/movies.htm
cms
wrote:
>On 3 Feb 2002 16:15:48 -0500, lrud...@panix.com (Lee Rudolph) wrote:
>
>>adaor...@hotmail.com (cms) writes:
>>
>>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:23:11 -0500, "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net>
>>>wrote:
>>...
>>>In my experience, that particular offense has always been termed
>>>"fishlipping," and applies to shared cigarettes as well.
>>
>>I'm glad to have that report of a change in idiom. Forty years
>>ago in my neighborhood of Cleveland, Ohio, where you write "fish"
>>a different word was used, making the whole expression one that
>>reflected badly on the speaker then and there, and would reflect
>>much worse on the speaker here and now. I only ever heard the
>>expression used about cigarettes, mostly likely just because at
>>that time I was innocent of all exposure to illegal smokeables.
>
>Yep, that one was common in Miami too.
Huh. Well, I feel like a youngin'. After reading the other posts in this
thread, I rather feel like playing folk etymologist: it seems perhaps
that from the orginal slang term "n*gg*rlipping" the offensive term was
dropped sometime in the mid to late 60s, leaving one with the
inoffensive but undescriptive "lipping." Presumably the original users
knew and deliberatly excised the offensive term, leaving it implied, but
as it passed down generation unto generation, the previous meaning was
lost and somewhere along the line, 'fish" got attached to emphasise the
cold wet slimy disgustingness of said offense. I realize playing folk
etymologist is dangerous as it's usually wrong, but I wonder if we could
get some cites from the intervening period to test the theory --- we
have a "n*gg*erlipping" from the early 60s, (I presume?) a "lipping"
from the early 70s, and a "fishlipping" from the mid 90s. (Okay, so I am
a youngin'.)
The discussion also highlights for me another interesting question,
whether illegal practices are currently one of the most fertile
prouducers of regional slang, in this age of constant communication, and
up-from-the-streets marketing parctices (which tend to try and exploit
subcultures almost before they're establishing, sucking them into
mainstream culture).
cms the ponderous, dude.
Lara Hopkins
> One thing I've noticed that may have been (slightly) different in Australia.
> We *always* rolled joints with a filter;
Datapoint from left of the Nullarbor: not everyone did.
Lara "or so I've heard" Hopjkins
Narcissa
I've heard the "Jefferson Airplane is the name of a kind of roach
clip" one before. I never heard which supposedly came first, the band
or the device.
I had also heard the term "bogart" and knew what it meant. I recall
understanding the song in Easy Rider and getting a kick out of it.
Probably learned it through my extensive pre-experimental reading on
the subject. Still, I can't recall actually using the term seriously
during my salad days. I'm sure I've used it in jest, but I seem to
have been affected by that thing that happens when you do that, you
know, what-do-you-call-it.
Alexia "Maybe I should join Tom Robbins' C.R.A.F.T. Club" Henke
Dr H
On 4 Feb 2002, JG wrote:
}That's what I'm finding too. I was surprised to find that the
}allusion to Bogart is not conclusive. I heard the term passed around
}when I was in high school. Then somebody turned me on to Cheech and
}Chong. The problem seems to be finding the first usage, like anybody
}remembers.
}
}bogart (v) 1. to steal or hog. ("Don't bogart my cookies!") Origin:
}possibly during the 1960s as a drug reference. The band Fraternity of
}Man has a song called "Don't Bogart Me." Lyrics include: "Don't bogart
}that joint, my friend, pass it over to me." It has been theorized that
}the term is an allusion to Humphry Bogart, an American actor who
}always had a cigarette hanging from his lips. To "bogart" a joint,
}then, would be letting it hang from one's lips without passing it
}on[1].
[snip]
I think you have pretty much summarized available literature on the topic.
[...]
}Please lemme know what you find out. So far, according to the
}pedantic standards generally adhered to in this froup, the allusion to
}Humphrey Bogart is a "theory." That would be classified U, for
}Unicorn. Maybe we could ask one of Timothy Leary's friends, using the
}six degrees of separation method.
Or just e-mail John Edwards and have him ask Leary.
Dr H
Louise Bremner
> One thing I've noticed that may have been (slightly) different in
> Australia. We *always* rolled joints with a filter; made from a bit of
> cardboard which came with the rolling papers.
I mixed with a slightly more refined crowd (Britain, mid-seventies)
who'd shred a regular cigarette for the tobacco and filter.
________________________________________________________________________
Louise "amused by the assumption behind 'never inhaled'" Bremner
(log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Ralph Jones
1955-58 actually, Coral Gables High School, Miami...I was in the class
of '58, Janet Reno was '56. IIRC, the term was then used to mean
smoking without inhaling, in the manner of boys who couldn't handle
the full jolt yet but wanted to look macho.
a "lipping"
>from the early 70s, and a "fishlipping" from the mid 90s. (Okay, so I am
>a youngin'.)
>
>The discussion also highlights for me another interesting question,
>whether illegal practices are currently one of the most fertile
>prouducers of regional slang, in this age of constant communication, and
>up-from-the-streets marketing parctices (which tend to try and exploit
>subcultures almost before they're establishing, sucking them into
>mainstream culture).
I'd be inclined to expand "illegal" into "frowned upon"...here's a
more curious anecdote: In my circles in Florida and south Georgia in
those days, "cock" referred to *female* genitalia.
>
rj
Don Kehoe
> "K.D." <kaye...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kob78.19688$Qm4.291...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...
> > "Daniel Ucko" <d.u...@physics.org> wrote in message
> > news:7p3q5ugsjuocfnosf...@4ax.com...
> > > On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
> > >
> > Rider, namely in the song by the name, "Don't Bogart Me" (also known as
> > "Don't bogart That Joint") by Fraternity of Man, lead vocals by Larry
> > Wagner. Here's a site where you can hear an audio clip of the tune:
> <snip lyrics>
>
I've also heard it was derived from "bowl guard", slang for guarding
your food tray in the California penal system. Don't know why you'd
want to guard your bowl though, I doubt the food was all that good.
>
> > The song was also subsequently recorded by Little Feat.
>
> Well, time loves a hero, but only time will tell. I accidently bought
> a tape by Little Feet, thinking it was the Little River Band. Okay,
> it was in the Navy, the tape in the ship supply store was mislabeled.
> I also bought a tape by Lake, thinking it was a solo effort by Greg
> Lake. In both cases, I was pleasantly surprised.
>
BTW, Richie Hayward of Little Feat was also in Fraternity Of Man, as
was (Fred) Martin Kibbee, who co-wrote quite a few Little Feat songs.
TeaLady
"Rick Tyler" <rht...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Please ignore the lizards.
I repeat, please ignore the lizards.
Especially the large green ones in black sunglasses drinking martinis.
Tea - stands for more than a drink - Lady
David Hatunen
wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early 70's;
>>not just from the title of a song but from supposedly being a "Hippy" term
>>for encouraging someone not to hog....you know.
>>
>>I certainly never heard anyone use the term in real life and, more importantly,
>>don't get the "Bogart" reference. It appears to be some kind of a play on words
>>which has escaped me for three decades. No doubt it's something completely
>>obvious (once it's been explained to me) but, could someone.....explain?
>
>Surely you remember the way Bogie used to smoke, with the fag
>virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand for
>'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
>want a drag too.'
We used to use the term "bogart" with respect to passed-around
cigarettes before marijuana became as popular as it did, and it meant
to not put it all the way into your lips there by possibly sliming it
for the other puffer or puffers. In other words, suck lightly on the
tip of the cigarette.
******* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@worldnet.att.net) *******
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
Michael J. Lowrey
>
> I don't wish to start a "band names that are about
> drugs" thread, but someone once taught me how to fashion a roach clip from
> a split paper match. He called it a "Jefferson Airplane". Folk
> etymology? Perhaps.
It was Accepted Wisdom in my youth (mid-South, early 70s)
that that was in fact the origin of the band's name.
--
Michael J. Lowrey
Nathan Tenny
The _Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll_, not an entirely voracious
source but (one presumes) an informed one on the entomology of San Franciscan
bands of the late 60s, sez it is.
NT
--
Nathan Tenny | A foolish consistency
Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA | recapitulates phylogeny.
<nten...@qualcomm.com> |
Paul Reinis
> >that the maker has to get the end wet to make the roll stay closed, you
> >really don't want "boby" fluids on the shared smoke.
>
> "fishlipping," and applies to shared cigarettes as well.
>
My ex-girlfriend used to do that. She called it "cat-assing", as in "Sorry,
buddy, I cat-assed the joint again!"
p
Paul Reinis
> >If there is plenty of weed to go around, Bogarting is not an issue.
>
> Feh. I repudiate such wishy-washy relativism. There is never enough weed
> to go around. Every particle of cannabis smoke in the atmosphere that
> hasn't taken a trip through at least one human respiratory system is a
> shameful waste of a precious resource. Toke and pass is the only
> acceptable behavior even if it's a giant Ocho Rios Ganja Super Hash Bomber
> and you're rolling in reefer. Or so I've heard.
If you toke and pass anywhere outside of the US you look like a rank amateur
smoker. In Canada, it's typically 2-4 tokes. Elsewhere, it's whatever you
need.
p
Deborah Stevenson,,,
>If you toke and pass anywhere outside of the US you look like a rank amateur
>smoker.
Wow. TWIaVBP. I didn't know you could get paid.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Lon Stowell
Indeed, who can forget their famous anthem
You don't know me but I'm your brother
I was raised here in this living hell
....
Lon "disappointed to learn that Alice B. Toklas predated the golden
era..." Stowell
TeaLady
"David Hatunen" <hat...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3c5f83ef...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:27:08 +0000, Daniel Ucko <d.u...@physics.org>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:37:11 +1100, Kerro <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Does anyone know what this means? I recall it from the very early
70's;
importantly,
> >>don't get the "Bogart" reference. > >
> >virtually glued to his lower lip for ages and ages? It's shorthand
for
> >'don't let the joint sit idly in your mouth like some poser, others
> >want a drag too.'
>
> We used to use the term "bogart" with respect to passed-around
> cigarettes before marijuana became as popular as it did, and it
meant
> to not put it all the way into your lips there by possibly sliming
it
> for the other puffer or puffers. In other words, suck lightly on the
> tip of the cigarette.
>
We used it as in "don't waste the smoke, man, pass it on if you ain't
gonna toke it. " Er, um, wait, the people I heard about that smoked
that devil-weed were said to have...
TeaLady - inhaled, but never toked.
Richard Solie
"Michael J. Lowrey" <oran...@uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:3C602877...@uwm.edu...
Not everyone agrees...
"The sextet -- named after non-existent bluesman Blind Jefferson Airplane (a
joke on real bluesman Blind Lemon Jefferson) -- debuted at the Matrix Club
and played the first show at Bill Graham's Fillmore Auditorum. "
Lee Ayrton
On or about 4 Feb 2002, Len Berlind of lber...@xcski.com wrote:
> In article <bqcr5ugd4ficpju8o...@4ax.com>,
> Daniel Ucko <d.u...@physics.org> wrote:
>
> [citeage]
[Len on conservation of natural resources]
>
> >Daniel 'if AFU is a joint, then K.D. is a bogart' Ucko
>
> L"If AFU is a joint, then K.D. is stems, seeds, and mold."B
IHNTA.
Lee "But I would have slepped it `Paraquat'" Ayrton
JG
IHNTA. Oh, except <giggle>.
Jer "that's so oregano" ry
--
Arrogance and chemistry are a bad mixture.
- Casady
JG
> In article <3C602877...@uwm.edu>,
> Michael J. Lowrey <oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
> >Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't wish to start a "band names that are about
> >> drugs" thread, but someone once taught me how to fashion a roach clip from
> >> a split paper match. He called it a "Jefferson Airplane". Folk
> >> etymology? Perhaps.
> >
> >It was Accepted Wisdom in my youth (mid-South, early 70s)
> >that that was in fact the origin of the band's name.
>
> Indeed, who can forget their famous anthem
>
> You don't know me but I'm your brother
> I was raised here in this living hell
> ....
You mean the Doobie Brothers didn't write that[1]?
> Lon "disappointed to learn that Alice B. Toklas predated the golden
> era..." Stowell
Jer "Artichokes Stravinsky" ry
1. "Taking it to the Streets", a song which at one time was an anthem
for anti-war demonstrators, the type of radical student commie pothead
that peace officers used to like to practice their nightsticks on.
Lon Stowell
I think I'm gonna cry. It just isn't even sport any more....
Mike Holmans
<sardi...@yahoo.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
>"Kerro" <ke...@NOSPAM.mira.net> wrote in message
>news:3C5E4895...@NOSPAM.mira.net...
>>
>> One thing I've noticed that may have been (slightly) different in
>Australia.
>> We *always* rolled joints with a filter;
>
>This was how joints were rolled in Europe (still may be, as far as I know),
>where a mixture of hash and tobacco was smoked in either "three-" or
>"five-skinners" (made with three or five standard size papers).
>
We don't bother with that any more. We just use kingsize rolling
papers, which are freely available at any newsagent or grocery store.
Well, not quite freely, because they're 50p a packet. The Rizla
company stoutly maintain that although they sell millions of packets
of kingsize papers, only a tiny minority of them are used for rolling
joints, which only makes me want to know where their spokesthing is
getting his shit form, because it's obviously pretty good stuff.
25 years ago, though, king size papers were difficult to get hold of
and the police actually cared about dope smoking, so it was the old
jigsaw puzzles that you describe in spurious attempts not to make it
obvious. I received tuition in technique from an acknowledged master
of the art, one Roy Harper, but I'm not sorry that it's unnecessary
nowadays.
The present regime is much better, because it doesn't lead to those
catastrophically misshapen disasters in the middle of the night which
fall apart and shower burning bits everywhere. It takes away some of
the hilarity but leads to fewer ruined album covers.
Mike "rollin' and fumblin'" Holmans
Don Whittington
<spres...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fair enough, but I'm with Dave. He's right. At least in my experience.
Don "which, in the end, is all that counts" Whittington
--
These legends are ubiquitous and very widespread.---Chris W.
Keith Willis
wrote:
>
> I think I'm gonna cry. It just isn't even sport any more....
Must be September again.
--
PGP Key 0xEB7180EC
at http://keyserver.pgp.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xeb7180ec
Keith Willis
<mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The present regime is much better, because it doesn't lead to those
>catastrophically misshapen disasters in the middle of the night which
>fall apart and shower burning bits everywhere. It takes away some of
>the hilarity but leads to fewer ruined album covers.
...or "the inevitable pin-hole burns all down the front of my
favourite satin shirt".
Keith "Will recite Pink Floyd lyrics for food" Willis
--
$SET FILE /PROT=(W:RWED) SYSUAF.DAT
deacon b.
posted something that included:
>I had thought this was relatively obscure slang, but it seems it's in
>plenty of slang dictionaries. "Bogart" appeared as a Word Of The Day in
>1997 [1], and it featured at Word Detective [2] in 1999. Word Detective
>attests that " The first recorded instance of this use of "bogart" was
>in the 1969 film "Easy Rider". Here are the song lyrics to "Don't Bogart
>That Joint" from Easy Rider:
><http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/DONTBOGA.HTM>
>[1] < http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970916 >
>[2] <http://www.word-detective.com/122099.html#bogart>
Checking out the 2nd footnote, I enjoyed reading the rest of the
comments until I got to the last item. He says that we know how old
the word "yahoo" is, because it was coined by Swift.
He created the modern *spelling* of the word, but the term itself was
not new, referring to an actual King Jehu, mentioned in the bible as
driving a chariot like, well, like a yahoo....
A friend of a friend assured me that if it's online, I should believe
it, but now I'm having a crisis of faith....
deke
--
Ambition is a poor excuse for
not having enough sense to be lazy.
deacon b.
posted something that included:
>I had thought this was relatively obscure slang, but it seems it's in
>plenty of slang dictionaries. "Bogart" appeared as a Word Of The Day in
>1997 [1], and it featured at Word Detective [2] in 1999. Word Detective
>attests that " The first recorded instance of this use of "bogart" was
>in the 1969 film "Easy Rider".
Actually, there is at least one earlier recorded instance.
The only original music created for Easy Rider was Hoyt Axton's
"The Pusher" and Mars Bonfire's "Born To Be Wild".
http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0064276
The first album of "Fraternity of Man", a 1968 LP named after the
group itself, included it as "Don't Bogart Me"
Eliot Ingber wrote the music and Larry Stash Wagner wrote the words.
http://www.uoregon.edu/~splat/Elliot_Ingber.html
Amazon has it, CDNOW doesn't. Go figure.
Norton Zenger
>In article <3C602877...@uwm.edu>,
>Michael J. Lowrey <oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
>>Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>> I don't wish to start a "band names that are about
>>> drugs" thread, but someone once taught me how to fashion a roach clip from
>>> a split paper match. He called it a "Jefferson Airplane". Folk
>>> etymology? Perhaps.
>>
>>It was Accepted Wisdom in my youth (mid-South, early 70s)
>>that that was in fact the origin of the band's name.
>
>The _Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll_, not an entirely voracious
>source but (one presumes) an informed one on the entomology of San Franciscan
>bands of the late 60s, sez it is.
The Jefferson Airplane were BUGS???
Dr H
Well, they may have HAD bugs...
Dr H
