..Internet thru our electric SOCKETS?
Information...@juno.com
re: Internet: electric wires replacing phone lines?
Hi,
Accessting the internet thru our home eletrical sockets?
No telephone or cable hassles/costs? (...not to say there will not
be other hassles/costs...there surely will be some).
Just wondering what the chances are that this technology
(will be/could be) brought to the US...?
Somewhat involved with the issue of bringing the "benefits" of the
Internet to new markets in the world, this is a subject that
interests me on many levels.
If there is any more news regarding this story, please send to me
at Information...@juno.com
and OneW...@technologist.com
I have sent inquiries to Nortel, but have not received any response,
and probably won't anytime soon, I suspect.
I am guardedly excited about prospects, but wonder about possible
resistence from American and international companies that have
invested heavily in other technologies and other directions...?
Would appreciate receiving informal input from others
on this subject. Any ideas or thoughts you can share would
be welcome.
Somewhere, I believe I read that this technology would not be
brought to the US market, for reasons that were not
explained...but made me wonder if there might be
technological barriers in the US, unlike
in Europe and Asia.
Thanks,
Cecil
UC Berkeley/Oberlin College
Consultant-Distance Learning/Info Technology
note:
please post your response here, and forward to me directly
at Information...@Juno.Com
and
OneW...@technologist.com
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Will electric wires replace phone lines?
NEW YORK - A British utility company and a Canadian
telecommunications firm plan to provide high-speed Internet access to
British homes through power lines.
Canadian firm Northern Telecom Ltd. and United Utilities PLC, a
British power company, said Wednesday the new technology would
provide data at almost 10 times the speed of the fastest connections
currently available to home users. The new rate would be about 1
megabit per second, enough to transmit a small novel in a blink.
Peter Dudley, vice president of public network operations for Northern
Telecom, said a small box, called a "tap," attached to the meter would
separate the data signal from the electricity. From there, a cable,
without current, would run to a special card inside users' personal
computers.
The tap could be used to meter the data flow and bill based on the
amount of data passing through, but he said that most customers had
said they wanted a flat-rate pricing plan between 20 and 30 pounds
($32 to $48) a month. The computer card would cost about 150 to
200 pounds ($243 to $324).
The companies plan to test the technology in about 200 Manchester
homes in the spring of 1998. When the tests are complete, Dudley said,
the technology will be offered commercially. There are no plans to
market the technology in the United States, he said. Instead, the
companies will focus on Europe and Asia.
The high speed also would allow voice communications, but Price said
the partners are focusing on Internet access for now.
John Castagna, a spokesman for Edison Electric Institute in
Washington, said many power utilities in the United States already use
their wires to handle data, mostly to read electric meters. He added
that
every electric utility of significant size has a fairly sophisticated
internal
telecommunications network.
"What it means is that before their eyes, electric utilities may
suddenly
become the largest providers of telecommunications in the world," he
said. "It means telephone lines are obsolete."
Dudley said existing telecommunications companies, such as AT&T
WorldNet and MCI Internet, had nothing to worry about.
"I think this is the biggest opportunity they've ever seen, because
they
don't have access" to high speed lines directly to the home, he said.
A representative from AT&T WorldNet, one of the largest U.S.
Internet providers, said the company was watching the experiment in
Britain.
"Obviously it's a different mode of access than we're providing," said
spokesman Mike Miller. "But the whole Internet area is ripe with
innovation. We're not surprised."
By The Associated Press
Electric lines used to transmit data
The San Diego Union-Tribune
Tue, Oct 14 1997
Northern Telecom Ltd of Canada and Norweb Communications of
Britain say they had made a "technology breakthrough" that would
allow
data to be sent over lines that bring electricity into homes.
The companies say the advance has the potential to open up a new wave
of demand for Internet services in the home -- to provide data at
almost
10 times the speed of the fastest telephone connections currently
available
to home users, enough to transmit a small novel in a blink. The two
companies plan to provide high-speed Internet access in Europe and
Asia using existing power lines, completely bypassing phone lines.
"What
it means is that before their eyes, electric utilities may suddenly
become
the largest providers of telecommunications in the world," said John
Castagna, a spokesman for Edison Electric Institute in Washington.
"It
means telephone lines are obsolete."
There are currently no plans to market the new technology in the
United
States, said Peter Dudley, vice president of public network
operations
for
Northern Telecom.
Dudley said a small box, called a "tap," attached to the meter would
separate the data signal from the electricity. From there, a cable,
without
current, would run to a special card inside users' personal
computers.
The
companies plan a test of the technology in about 200 Manchester,
England, homes in the spring of 1998. When the tests are complete,
the
technology will be offered commercially, Dudley said.
The high speed also would allow voice communications, but Dudley said
the partners are focusing on Internet access for now.
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Subject: MISC> Power lines can't handle phone calls but might be
From: Gleason Sackman <gle...@rrnet.com>
Date: 1997/10/13
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:07:50 -0400
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Power lines can't handle phone calls but might be ticket to Internet,
Nortel finds
Tom Spears
The Ottawa Citizen
http://www.southam.com/calgaryherald/cgi/newsnow.pl?nkey=ch&file=/busi
ness/technology/971009/t1009mt01.html
In the grand old tradition of serendipity in science, researchers who
tried to send phone conversations through ordinary electric wires
failed in that but found they could send something else: data
transmissions.
That discovery culminated in yesterday's announcement by Northern
Telecom in England. The company says it can link personal computers
with the Internet and e-mail through the wires that supply power to
people's homes.
The system works only in European and Asian countries, because North
American electrical utilities uses a different arrangement of
transformers that blots out the signals.
But Nortel said a variation on the new technology could appear here
in two years or more.
The research started when power companies got jealous.
There are three kinds of wires coming into your house or apartment,
and it used to be that only two of them could carry signals.
The telephone line carries your voice, fax messages, and other data
such as signals from a computer modem, using a signal superimposed on
an electric current. It connects you to the Internet, if you want it
to.
The cable TV wire carries a variety of signals on a current, too,
from dozens of different channels at once.
But the third kind of wire traditionally carries only electricity --
a huge torrent of dumb electrons rushing along to power your
refrigerator and lights and hair dryer. Current, but no signal.
"Power companies since the early 1990s have been looking at carrying
voice," said Nortel's Michelle Murray.
In those early days, they weren't thinking of computer
communications. "Back then, the Internet was just a blip."
Trying to send telephone calls through normal electrical wires didn't
work in the past. The signals were overwhelmed with electrical
"noise" -- the jumble of the basic current rushing along.
Then the Internet grew and grew, and suddenly the question became:
What if we can send computer transmissions through electric cables?
Turns out they could. By encrypting and compressing the data, the
Nortel lab in Harlow, England, was able to keep it separate from the
noise of all those electrons powering your home.
Nortel says a simple card added to the home computer, and a box
installed outside the home, near the electrical meter, are all a
customer needs.
It takes advantage of the fact that electrical utilities already have
widespread networks of fibre-optic cable to keep an eye on their own
infrastructure. You can send signals through fibre-optic lines
easily.
The trick comes near the customer. For starters, the signal can't
survive passing through a transformer. Nortel's solution is to bypass
the transformer, linking the fibre-optic cable directly to the
low-voltage power line going from the transformer to people's homes.
The company says that turns all the homes served by a single
transformer into a local area network, like a group of separate
computers linked within a single company's offices.
Nortel is still working on bringing the new technology to North
America, Ms. Murray said.
The obstacle here is that we have far more transformers -- one for
every handful of houses instead one transformer for several hundred
homes. That makes it uneconomical to set up a separate local area
network for every four or five homes.
The curator of physical science at the National Museum of Science and
Technology doesn't think the new way of sending data will ever come
to North America.
It just isn't needed here because North America better Internet
access to start with, said Randall Brooks.
"It's a stop-gap solution" designed to overcome problems that only
exist in Europe, he said. One problem is that telephone service can
be more expensive there, which makes tying up phone lines for Internet
access too costly for many people.
---------------
Also in this issue:
- Power lines can't handle phone calls but might be ticket to
Internet,
Nortel finds
In the grand old tradition of serendipity in science, researchers
who
tried to send phone conversations through ordinary electric wires
failed in that but found they could send something else: data
transmissions.
- E-mail: hotbed of insecurity
As if it weren't easy enough to find pornography on the Internet,
last week some of the stuff showed up uninvited in my electronic
mailbox. Fan mail from a spammer? Not quite. The grubby items came
courtesy of the SANS Institute, a major computer security
organization. At least that's what the return address said. And
e-mail return addresses don't mean a thing.
- Understanding Java Servlets, A Special Report
What is the difference between a Java applet and a Java servlet?
Basically, a servlet is the opposite end of an applet. A servlet
can
almost be thought of as a server-side applet. Servlets run inside
the
Web server in the way that applets run inside the Web browser. The
browser can submit a request to execute a servlet directly; it can
be
stand-alone in terms of its actions -- as a browser can request an
applet directly.
- This report includes links to:
* Developing Java Servlets: A Tutorial
In this first part of a series on developing
Java servlets, William Crawford shows how to
create a basic servlet. It includes
information about downloading the Java
Servlet Development Kit from Sun.
* Java Servlets Reference Guide
This guide organizes useful information for Java servlet
developers.
- New Lists and Journals
1) Kluwer Academic Publishers/OCLC
2) Wiley InterScience
3) Journal of Fluid Mechanics
4) Journal of Functional Programming
5) Journal of Latin American Studies
6) Journal of the London Mathematical Society
7) The Journal of Modern African Studies
8) Journal of Plasma Physics
9) Journal of Social Policy
10) Mathematical Structures in Computer Science
11) Share International
12) Pig Meat
Tomorrow
- The Globalization of Chile
The wires are clogged again in Chile, a country with no shortage
of
Net-enthusiasm but little way to express it. Bandwidth is so
limited
in this remote country, which stretches almost to Antarctica, that
local netizens wake up early or stay up late to log in (this
report
had to be filed via fax).
- Sizable questions surround electric net access.
Some sizable questions surround Wednesday's announcement by
Canada's
Northern Telecom and Britain's Norweb Communications of a
technology
Nortel has developed that enables high-speed Net access through
existing electric lines - giving utilities an apparent easy-in to
becoming communication providers via their own power-line
infrastructures.
- HTTP Improvements Make the Internet Faster
HyperText Transport Protocol (HTTP) is the way World Wide Web
browsers and Web servers communicate with each other. Although
E-mail
is still the most widely used Internet application, statistics
confirm
that HTTP is responsible for more Internet traffic than any other
protocol.
- UUNet provides colocation service, faster links to Net
WorldCom subsidiary UUNet Technologies Wednesday at
NetWorld+Interop
announced OC-3 speed connectivity now available to corporate
customers and ISPs, and a new colocation service.
- Germany's Christian Democrats in cyberspace
Proceedings of next week's congress of Chancellor Helmut Kohl's
Christian Democratic Union party in Leipzig will be broadcast on
the
Internet, the party said Saturday.
- Gates, Chernomyrdin agree on software piracy
Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, meeting with Microsoft
chairman
Bill Gates on Saturday, vowed to help fight software piracy,
adding
that he believed Russia was ready to work to protect intellectual
property.
- Graduate school test goes all-computer
Leave the No. 2 pencils at home. The standardized test for
graduate
business schools is going all-computer.
- National Semiconductor Sets Up Global Intranet Program
National Semiconductor Corporation announced the launch of a
global
private network for the deployment of Internet, intranet, and
extranet services to be used by its customers, distributors, and
employees.
- New Lists and Journals
1) Sewing
2) TIPS for Speakers, Trainers and Presenters
3) The Leaning Tree, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
4) Taming the Net
5) NASA STI Bulletin
6) Strange Magazine
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'World Famous Joe' bugle wrote:
>
> i am interested as well.
> cable net access + pc monitor (color) = interactive cable television.
>
> speed translates to increased programming (video/audio).
>
> worldwide audiences/marketing. more investment funds for resources (web).
>
> world leaders in business/marketing. usenet posts can contain personal
> commercials with more speed. more spam. worldwide. $$$.
>
> noticed satellite tv did not take off. satellite web access may be faster than
> the electric net? not enough advertising resources maybe the reason for lack
> of interest in satellite tv. its a brand new market. the one (satellite
> broadcaster in honolulu went out of business with no replacement in sight).
> dont hold much credence in dss satellite tv anymore. what a waste of $$$.
>
> wondering about satellite net access. need to pay for increased satellite
> usage/repair. worldwide net audience and online purchasing may spur spammers
> to invest in programming and fund satellite access. heard the american
> electric lines from credible source that the lines are not conveniently set up
> for the electric net. would satellite access be quicker? <g>
>
> noticed tv is sent via satellite. (live). seems the quickest possible option
> at present. satellite. but cable access is a start noticed we use more cable
> tv @ present because of increased programming. still no interactive cable
> though. just order by phone ppv.
>
> cable net access + pc monitor (color) = interactive cable television.
>
> need speed/increased programming. need increased investments. advertising
> revenue. spam. <g>
>
> do the secure servers seem solid enough for online purchases just in time for
> xmas??? <shudder>
>
> aloha grant.
>
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Scott Gasch
In alt.folklore.internet Information...@Juno.Com wrote:
> British power company, said Wednesday the new technology would
> provide data at almost 10 times the speed of the fastest connections
> currently available to home users. The new rate would be about 1
> megabit per second, enough to transmit a small novel in a blink.
What is this crap? I am sitting at home with a 10 megabit/sec
ethernet line running straight in from the wall. Sounds like
they mean "about 10 times slower than..."
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information...@juno.com
re: access to the Internet via electrical utilities...?
Hi,
Below is the response just received from Nortel regarding the possibility
of this new technology -- using electrical lines for highspeed access to
the Internet -- ever being introduced in the US market.
In other words, how might we in the US ever benefit?
Thought this statement from Nortel on this subject would be of interest.
Robert
--------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
"Michelle Murray" <Michelle.Mu...@nt.com>
Media and Analyst Relations
Nortel Broadband Networks
Thanks for your inquiry--we certainly have been swamped with requests for
more information. To answer your question, in brief, the application is
totally feasible in the US from a technology standpoint, but not
ECONOMICALLY feasible. Further, the data must be "peeled" off the power
line BEFORE it reaches a transformer. In the UK, a single transformer
serves between 100-300 homes. In the US a single transformer serves 4-8
homes. Therefore a data remover box (for lack of a better term) would
need to be placed every 4 or 5 poles. Is that clearer? We are aiming
for trials in North America in the 1998 time frame.
I have also attached some more information at the end of this message
that may answer some of your other questions. If I can be of further
assistance, please don't hesitate to contact me. Regards,
Michelle Murray
Media and Analyst Relations
Nortel Broadband Networks
------
Background Information
BACKGROUND BRIEFING October 8, 1997
The technology breakthrough
1. What is this development?
This is a technology that will give most customers of the electric
utilities high-speed access to the Internet and other data communications
services, linking their PCs to the outside world over existing mains
connections at speeds of over one megabit per second. It is effectively
a data communication technology that works over the electricity supply.
2. How does it work?
The system turns the low voltage distribution segment of the electricity
infrastructure負he part between the customer and the local
substation虹nto a Local Area Network (LAN). Extensive research and
development by a joint Nortel and Norweb team over the last three years
has led to an understanding of how to stop the electrical noise that
occurs on power cables from interfering with communications signals. We
have designed a specialized signaling scheme to carry the data traffic
between substation and home. Each substation is then linked by fiber
optic circuits, using standard communications technologies, to a central
switch and from there to the rest of the world.
3. Will this require any rewiring of the home?
A single, small box needs to be installed next to the meter to send and
receive data. This box is then linked to a PC through an ordinary
coaxial cable.
4. Does the PC need any extra equipment?
PCs will need to be fitted with an extra card and some communications
software to handle customer subscription, security and authentication
services. Once installed, the software will be capable of updating both
itself and the card by automatic downloads from the network. The
software front end will also allow operators to brand their services and
offer customers different access speeds and grades of service.
Work is underway to develop a standalone customer unit that will link
other devices, such as TVs, Network Computers and games platforms to the
Internet over this link.
5. How fast will the service go?
Recent trials have delivered send and receive speeds in excess of one
megabit per second (1 Mbps). In a real-life setting, speeds will vary
between 500 kilobits per second (500 kbps) and 1 Mbps, depending on the
number of subscribers sharing the same local electricity distribution
network. The technology is optimized to support around 200 homes, but
this capacity can easily be upgraded to deal with greater demand by
adding more line cards at the substation. At its lowest speed, it will
be nearly 10 times faster than ISDN.
6. How much will it cost?
The hardware is likely to cost about the same amount as an ISDN card.
The service is "always- on"負hat is, no dialup is required to connect to
the Internet or download email. Electricity companies will be able, if
they wish, to market the service with a flat rate subscription per month,
irrespective of usage.
7. What sort of services will this connection support?
Given the combination of speed and possibly a permanent flat rate
Internet connection, this technology makes a variety of new broadcast and
interactive multimedia services both possible and cost-effective.
Amongst these are the delivery of CD-quality audio, video clips,
animation, high-speed gaming, and videoconferencing services. The
emerging potential of the Internet to transmit voice is also expected to
be an important driver, as this technology (Voice over IP) reaches the
stability and robustness of a managed service.
8. How does this compare with other broadband/middleband access
technologies such as ADSL?
Across the whole spectrum of new access technologies苯rom super fast
modems and ISDN to different flavors of xDSL, there is a necessary
trade-off between speed and cost, particularly the costs to the operator
in upgrading their network. This technology occupies the middle ground
in speed苯ast enough for the majority of future domestic or SOHO (small
office/home office) applications苔nd its low cost makes it cost-effective
enough for operators to generate a return on their investment.
For further information, please contact:
Robert Spaulding John Smith
Nortel Landmark Communications
+33 1 41 99 15 57 +44 171 318 6900
robert_s...@nt.com jsm...@landmark-pr.co.uk
Michelle Murray
Nortel
(770) 661-4434
michell...@nortel.com
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Date: 10/9/97 1:44 PM
To: Michelle Murray
From: c...@loop.com
Hi,
Congratulations to all at Nortel who worked to bring off this stupendous
project!
I would be curious to know--in brief--what would be the difficulty in
bringing this technology to the vast US market. I read somewhere that
there is some technological difference in electrical
generation/distribution in the US that makes transfer to the US market
impractical at present.
I am wondering what the problem is and what the prospects are for
eventually finding a solution.
I realize you must be swamped with inquiries. Would certainly appreciate
any light you could shed on these concerns.
Thanks so much in advance.
Kind regards,
---------------
NORTEL (NORTHERN TELECOM) AND
NORWEB COMMUNICATIONS
ACHIEVE TECHNOLOGY
BREAKTHROUGH THAT WILL OPEN A NEW WAVE OF
INTERNET GROWTH
Source: Canada Newswire
October 9, 1997
LONDON, Oct. 8 /CNW/ via Individual Inc. -- Nortel (Northern Telecom)
and Norweb Communications, a business unit of United Utilities plc. of
Great Britain, today announced that they have developed jointly a new
technology that allows data to be transferred over electrical power
lines into the home at speeds of more than one megabit per second-up to
10 times faster than ISDN, currently the fastest generally available
speed. The breakthrough has the potential to open a new wave of demand
for Internet services in the UK and Europe.
Nortel has developed the technology at its European Research and
Development laboratories in Harlow, UK, in co-operation with Norweb
Communications. Recent trials on the Norweb Communications network have
been completed successfully and the technology is available for
deployment.
The technology, which enables electrical companies to
convert their power
infrastructures into information access networks, will be
initially marketed in the
UK, Europe and Asia Pacific.
It allows electrical companies to provide a service that
solves the three major
problems facing international Internet market
acceptance-access to consumers'
homes, data transmission rates and capital cost:
- By giving customers access to the Internet through their
existing
electrical supply system, the technology is available to
virtually
anyone. It offers permanent on-line connection with the
potential for
lower charges;
- The new technology enables data to be transmitted at
rates of more than
one megabit per second by using a patented technology that
screens the
data from electrical interference on the host power line, a long
sought-after goal in telecommunications;
- Investment costs for the electrical companies are low
compared to those
envisioned for other broadband data access systems. Due to
the nature
of this technology, it can be rolled out in discrete,
targeted phases.
Utilities not wishing to operate data services also have
the option of
charging a right-to-use fee to an operating company for
accessing their
plant. End users require a computer card comparable in cost to a
conventional ISDN terminal adapter, but offering 10 times
the peak
bandwidth.
The new technology will enable the introduction of Internet-based
applications such as electronic commerce, teleworking, web broadcast
media, entertainment and Internet telephony on a mass market scale.
The two companies have been working together on this development for
the last three years and it is subject to a number of patents filed by
Nortel and Norweb Communications. Norweb Communications is widely
recognized within the power sector as a leader in research into
broadband communications over power lines, having started work in this
area in 1990.
Electricity utilities in Europe and the Asia Pacific region have
already expressed significant interest.
Peter Dudley, a vice-president of Nortel, comments: ``The rate of
Internet take up and the volume of data traffic carried over the
Internet has been one of the most striking business developments of the
current decade, but speed of access remains a bottleneck for most users.
As one of the first practical low-cost answers to the problem of
high-speed access to the Internet this new technology will unleash the
next wave of net growth.''
Mark Ballett, Managing Director of Norweb Communications,
comments:
``Norweb Communications has championed the use of
electrical networks for
voice and data services for several years and we are
delighted to now be in a
position to announce the launch of the first commercial
products. This
technology will allow us to use existing infrastructure to
establish a strongly
differentiated service offering in the northwest
residential and small business
market.''
Nortel will be opening a conformance center in Harlow, UK,
for hardware and
software suppliers who are interested in certifying their
products for use on this
new service.
Norweb Communications, part of United Utilities plc,
provides an extensive
range of advanced voice and data services and has achieved
significant
success in providing resilient networks for businesses
throughout the northwest
region of the UK. The company plans to use power line
technology to provide
public access networks for residential customers in the
region.
United Utilities has combined capability in electricity,
gas and telecom. This
new technology will strengthen its competitiveness as a
multi-utility service
provider.
Nortel had a 1996 turnover of $US 3 billion in Europe,
operating both
independently and through its joint ventures with the
Lagardere Group in
France (Matra Communications and Nortel Matra Cellular),
Olivetti SpA in
Italy (Sixtel) and Daimler-Benz Aerospace AG in Germany
(Nortel Dasa
Network Systems). The company employs approximately 16,000
people
across Europe in Research and Development, manufacturing
and sales.
Nortel works with customers worldwide to design build and
integrate digital
networks - for information, entertainment, education and
business - offering
one of the broadest choices of network solutions in the
industry.
Nortel had 1996 revenues of $US 12.8 billion and has
approximately 68,000
employees worldwide.
/For further information: Robert Spaulding, Nortel, + 33 1 41 99 15 57,
robert_spaulding(at)nortel.com; Michelle Murray, Nortel, (770) 661-4434,
michelle.murray(at)nortel.com; Peter Janecek, Nortel, (905) 863-6251,
peter.janecek(at)nortel.com; Or visit Nortel's web-site at www.nortel.com
Michael Tate
Information...@Juno.Com wrote:
>What's with this????
Friends at Nortel AND Dell did search for me and show no info or data on
supposed introduction of this service. Likely this is a spammer making
waves?
(1) AC is notoriously dirty. massive dc spikes caused by neon, welders,
large HP motors.
(2) Load is not constant. Varies at all times.
(3) "a tap on the meter"? Come on you losers, think about it!
You put a conductor on a 220V line and you got a new 220V conductor.
I am not going to wire my pooter up to 220V no matter how many idiots
tell me it's ok.
I seem to recall that GE had a remote speaker that used house line
wiring years back. The sound sucked. Speakers never sold.
Also reread Tesla articles on DC vs. AC for info on combining both types
of current into one pair of conductors. It just ain't done!
David Peter
Michael Tate wrote:
>
> Information...@Juno.Com wrote:
> >What's with this????
>
> Friends at Nortel AND Dell did search for me and show no info or data on
> supposed introduction of this service. Likely this is a spammer making
> waves?
couple of weeks ago.
> (1) AC is notoriously dirty. massive dc spikes caused by neon, welders,
> large HP motors.
> (2) Load is not constant. Varies at all times.
> (3) "a tap on the meter"? Come on you losers, think about it!
> You put a conductor on a 220V line and you got a new 220V conductor.
> I am not going to wire my pooter up to 220V no matter how many idiots
> tell me it's ok.
> I seem to recall that GE had a remote speaker that used house line
> wiring years back. The sound sucked. Speakers never sold.
> Also reread Tesla articles on DC vs. AC for info on combining both types
> of current into one pair of conductors. It just ain't done!
believe the proposal is to use this as some sort of carrier for much
higher frequency modulations (also AC). In principal this will work,
spikes etc not withstanding.
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Mark Eaton
> Information...@Juno.Com wrote:
> >What's with this????
>
> Friends at Nortel AND Dell did search for me and show no info or data on
> supposed introduction of this service. Likely this is a spammer making
> waves?
heres a reference:
http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/print/971013/161288.html
And I don't know why anyone at Dell should have special knowledge about this...
> (1) AC is notoriously dirty. massive dc spikes caused by neon, welders,
> large HP motors.
> (2) Load is not constant. Varies at all times.
solvable
> (3) "a tap on the meter"? Come on you losers, think about it!
> You put a conductor on a 220V line and you got a new 220V conductor.
> I am not going to wire my pooter up to 220V no matter how many idiots
> tell me it's ok.
your what? putter? we're talking about digital communications, not golf.
> I seem to recall that GE had a remote speaker that used house line
> wiring years back. The sound sucked. Speakers never sold.
> Also reread Tesla articles on DC vs. AC for info on combining both types
> of current into one pair of conductors. It just ain't done!
take it up with Nortel, I guess.
-mark
D...@forgery.fop.foppity.org
In alt.bbs.internet Michael Tate <ta...@gte.net> wrote:
> Information...@Juno.Com wrote:
> >What's with this????
> Friends at Nortel AND Dell did search for me and show no info or data on
> supposed introduction of this service. Likely this is a spammer making
> waves?
The Electricity Co in the UK is working on a version of Cable Internet
through the National Grid. Seeing as they already provide phone service
through it, it shouldn't be too difficult. The kicker is, of course, that
the phone system consists of cable that's slung round the electricity cable,
so I'd guess they'd just be using slack capacity from this.
I remember there was a network system in the late 80's in the UK that used the
household electriciy system for its transport. It wasn't overly popular, as
it was rather slow, but by all accounts it generally worked OK.
Cheers... Dop.
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Sean Akers
No its not spam. See
http://www.norweb.co.uk/pages/press43.htm
for some details.
Michael Tate wrote in message <63s05t$o85$1...@gte1.gte.net>...
>Information...@Juno.Com wrote:
>>What's with this????
>
>Friends at Nortel AND Dell did search for me and show no info or data on
>supposed introduction of this service. Likely this is a spammer making
>waves?
>
> [snip]