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>For a nice, troll-less forum, go to
>http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/herblist/rules.html
>
>Henriette
If it is troll-less that would mean that you, one of the use net's
main trolls, do not post there!!!
For like the troll of fables you seem to spend 24/24 hidden under the
virtual bridge waiting jump out and attack those who pass by
screaming TROLL TROLL in a psychotic fashion and then you begin babbling
something about cold livers and hot livers.
Cheers!!!!
Rasta Poodle
<spamtra...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>For a nice, troll-less forum, go to
>http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/herblist/rules.html
Just to remind the serious or friendly newbie herb folk: this
moderated forum is a wonderful meeting place and a lot of good
information is shared in a friendly environment. I, for one, have no
reason to post here in afh anymore, and that's great for overall BP
with or without herbs, no? :-)
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>> For a nice, troll-less forum, go to
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/herblist/rules.html
> Just to remind the serious or friendly newbie herb folk: this
> moderated forum is a wonderful meeting place and a lot of good
> information is shared in a friendly environment. I, for one,
> have no reason to post here in afh anymore, and that's great
> for overall BP with or without herbs, no? :-)
Usenet forums are easy to locate, things like Henriette's aren't.
What chance would there be of a complete newbie to the subject
finding their way there?
The one is not a substitute for the other.
This is the first time I've realized that URL was that of an actual
forum, as I never follow URLs that are posted on Usenet or mailing
lists without an unambiguous description of what they point to; I'd
always assumed Henriette was simply directing us to a set of "how to
manage nutters like mousse" posting guidelines. Is it a web forum
(in which case, forget it) or a proper mailing list?
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>
>>> For a nice, troll-less forum, go to
>>> http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/herblist/rules.html
>> Just to remind the serious or friendly newbie herb folk: this
>> moderated forum is a wonderful meeting place and a lot of good
>> information is shared in a friendly environment. I, for one,
>> have no reason to post here in afh anymore, and that's great
>> for overall BP with or without herbs, no? :-)
>
>Usenet forums are easy to locate, things like Henriette's aren't.
>What chance would there be of a complete newbie to the subject
>finding their way there?
Just click on the ibiblio address above and subscribe as per the
instructions under 'list commands'. Pretty easy. Many lists are hard
to find, it's true. Many were created so that people could interact
without the usenet trolls bothering them. I am on several private
lists, and even though one has flame wars (it is unmoderated), there
are no trolls.
>
>The one is not a substitute for the other.
It's not meant to be. Some people grow beyond usenet natterings,
trolls and constant newbie questions. If they are lucky, or invited,
or have it posted in a troll-infested NG like this, they go there.
>
>This is the first time I've realized that URL was that of an actual
>forum, as I never follow URLs that are posted on Usenet or mailing
>lists without an unambiguous description of what they point to; I'd
>always assumed Henriette was simply directing us to a set of "how to
>manage nutters like mousse" posting guidelines. Is it a web forum
>(in which case, forget it) or a proper mailing list?
No, we're far beyond caring how to manage a head of foam like him. Let
him have afh, and let him google his frantic ass off in his pathetic
James Lumpkins way to prove he knows better than everybody. Control
freaks not welcome on the list.
It is a proper mailing list. I have a filter set up so all the emails
go into a proper folder. All my lists go into their proper folder, and
they are great reference sources. You realize they are not 'archived'
like usenet, so it is up to you to save stuff you're interested in.
Other than that, obey the posting guidelines, don't troll or flame
(you'd last about *one* message*) and that's it. See you there.
Rasta Poodle
HerbAssist
><spamtra...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>For a nice, troll-less forum, go to
>http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/herblist/rules.html
>
>Just to remind the serious or friendly newbie herb folk: this
>moderated forum is a wonderful meeting place and a lot of good
>information is shared in a friendly environment. I, for one, have no
>reason to post here in afh anymore, and that's great for overall BP
>with or without herbs, no? :-)
What I do not like is that it is being moderated by Henriette, who does not
know as much as she thinks she does. So how are we supposed to question her
mistakes when she will jsut delete them. There is an example in my post asking
for clarification. The post was concernign some misinformation she psoted. And
when called on it she ignored me. So I prefer open forums where people can be
challenged when misinformation is given. It is also safer because we are not
taking one person's word for something. Becuase as I pointed out to Henriette
in the past, no herbalist knows it all, and mistakes are made as we saw in her
post.
Thomas Mueller
>For a nice, troll-less forum, go to
>http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/herblist/rules.html
Anya responded:
>Just to remind the serious or friendly newbie herb folk: this
>moderated forum is a wonderful meeting place and a lot of good
>information is shared in a friendly environment. I, for one, have no
>reason to post here in afh anymore, and that's great for overall BP
>with or without herbs, no? :-)
HerbAssist responded:
>What I do not like is that it is being moderated by Henriette, who does not
>know as much as she thinks she does. So how are we supposed to question her
>mistakes when she will jsut delete them. There is an example in my post asking
>for clarification. The post was concernign some misinformation she psoted. And
>when called on it she ignored me. So I prefer open forums where people can be
>challenged when misinformation is given. It is also safer because we are not
>taking one person's word for something. Becuase as I pointed out to Henriette
>in the past, no herbalist knows it all, and mistakes are made as we saw in her
>post.
I am active in both the herb list (where there is no house mouse) and this
newsgroup. Newsgroup has the advantage of being more open but the disadvantage
of susceptibility to trolls and spams, though many news servers now use spam
filters. When I started in this newsgroup in early 2000, there were spams
pointing to porno web sites, and spams promoting cable TV descramblers and
chain-letter pyramid schemes, as well as flame wars.
I agree with HerbAssist that no herbalist knows it all; also there differing
opinions on the good or bad of certain herbs, and differences in the way people
react. Henriette seems to have a low opinion of anything that contains
caffeine, including green tea, and a high opinion of adaptogens, however green
tea has conferred more benefit on me than the adaptogens (Eleutherococcus
senticosus, Astragalus membranaceus, and Centella asiatica), though these
adaptogens never showed any evidence of harming me. Green tea has helped keep
me breathing at several critical points, and there are herbalists and others
in health-related occupations who praise green tea. I don't take caffeine in
any other way besides what's present in green tea. I admire Henriette's
knowledge of herbs but do not accept any herbalist's views as gospel.
Louise
I haven't seen her delete posts (of course, that may be *why* I
haven't seen her delete posts)- the times she disagrees she seems to
plonk people or killfile them, but their posts still appear. I have no
basis of comparison but this seems OK to me. Lotsa free speech. lw
HerbAssist
>opinions on the good or bad of certain herbs, and differences in the way
>people
>react. Henriette seems to have a low opinion of anything that contains
>caffeine, including green tea, and a high opinion of adaptogens, however
>green
>tea has conferred more benefit on me than the adaptogens (Eleutherococcus
>senticosus, Astragalus membranaceus, and Centella asiatica), though these
>adaptogens never showed any evidence of harming me. Green tea has helped
>keep
>me breathing at several critical points, and there are herbalists and others
>in health-related occupations who praise green tea.
I am big on adaptogens as well, especially schisandra.
As far as caffeine goes, green tea does not contain much caffeine, and it also
contains the amino acid theanine, which has a relaxing effect. Caffeine does
help with breathing by blocking cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP)
breakdown. The cAMP helps to counter leukotrines and histamine, both which can
trigger asthma attacks. In fact ephedrine and epinephrine are used to open the
airways because they elevate cAMP. And hospitals use theophylline to treat
asthma because like caffeine it blocks cAMP breakdown.
So caffeine can serve a useful purpose as well, but like any other drug it can
also be abused.
cy...@tiny.net.invalid
> I haven't seen her delete posts (of course, that may be *why* I
>haven't seen her delete posts)- the times she disagrees she seems to
>plonk people or killfile them, but their posts still appear. I have no
>basis of comparison but this seems OK to me. Lotsa free speech. lw
Here she doesn't delete posts or posters. This is an unmoderated
forum. On the email list she occasionally does kill off certain
subjects or at least says there is to be no more discussion of the
topic and then there are no more posts on it. Whether she kills posts
or people just refrain makes little difference. It's one of the very
few moderated things I've ever enjoyed, so I'm prejudiced in favour of
whatever it is she's doing that works.
OTOH, I can see that people who don't like moderation or her style of
moderation would drop off it. They can, I'm sure, find other groups
that aren't moderated or are moderated so loosely as to be off topic
and into flames on Yahoo or one of the other places that does Web
based groups. Or just stay here.
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>I am big on adaptogens as well, especially schisandra.
>As far as caffeine goes, green tea does not contain much caffeine, and it also
>contains the amino acid theanine, which has a relaxing effect. Caffeine does
>help with breathing by blocking cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP)
>breakdown. The cAMP helps to counter leukotrines and histamine, both which can
>trigger asthma attacks. In fact ephedrine and epinephrine are used to open the
>airways because they elevate cAMP. And hospitals use theophylline to treat
>asthma because like caffeine it blocks cAMP breakdown.
>So caffeine can serve a useful purpose as well, but like any other drug it can
>also be abused.
If you check some nasal decongestants and cough medicines that have a
"non-drowsy" formula, you'll find they contain pseudoephedrine. Even
some of the PM cough medicinces contain it. Ephedra has received bad
press because of deaths resulting in a very poor diet and exercise
program by people who should've asked their doctor before taking
ephedra with their "diet" plan. People aren't aware of its other
uses in other medicines.
NOTE: I'm not one to start the ephedra debate. I just noticed the
word ephedrine pop up and decided to add my two cents. I took
Xenadrine for about 4 years (on and off). I never had any
complications from using it. An interesting thing happened to me
earlier this year. I had the flu and was coughing non-stop. I
decided to take some cough meds (Robutussin) with the light in the
bathroom turned off. I accidentally poured 2 doses and guzzled it
like a shot in a shot glass. Not more than 10 minutes later, my heart
was racing, I broke out in a sweat and I felt like someone jacked me
up on some uppers. That's when I turned on the light in the bathroom,
looked at the dosage, then the back of the bottle for the ingredients.
I read 30mg of pseudoephedrine!!! I was amazed that a double dose of
cough medicine could do that to a person. Needless to say, I always
turn on the light now when I take meds like that just to be safe.
HerbAssist
So far I have only seen one death due to ephedra, and that was an overdose.
Some of the deaths blamed on ephedra were later ruled to be from other causes.
The remainder of cases blamed on ephedra that I have seen were actually due to
pharmaceutical ephedrine HCl, not ephedra. Yet the states banning ephedra are
leaving an exception for ephedrine, which is more powerful and more dangerous.
Thomas Mueller
> I am big on adaptogens as well, especially schisandra.
> As far as caffeine goes, green tea does not contain much caffeine, and it also
> contains the amino acid theanine, which has a relaxing effect. Caffeine does
> help with breathing by blocking cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP)
> breakdown. The cAMP helps to counter leukotrines and histamine, both which can
> trigger asthma attacks. In fact ephedrine and epinephrine are used to open the
> airways because they elevate cAMP. And hospitals use theophylline to treat
> asthma because like caffeine it blocks cAMP breakdown.
> So caffeine can serve a useful purpose as well, but like any other drug it can
> also be abused.
Schisandra is not big on me, I haven't been able to discern any special benefit.
One Oriental grocery store has packages of MAXIMOVICZIA TEA, and they look like
schisandra berries. Earlier they had TYPICA TEA, same appearance just like
schisandra berries. Now I wonder if there is such a thing as a Typica plant or
Maximoviczia plant, or if they are brand names (like Lipton tea, for instance).
Do schisandra berries have any look-alikes?
Speaking of caffeine and asthma, the only other caffeine source I took since
developing asthma was yerba maté (or is mateine different from caffeine?).
I don't like the smell of coffee, never tried guarana, and have no recent
experience with anything cola-related. Yerba maté didn't do anything for me,
I was not impressed. I don't really want to take guarana or cola.
Do hospitals still use theophylline to treat asthma?
HerbAssist
Maximowicza is the genus for schisandra. Typica is a form of coffee bean grown
in Hawaii and Jamacia.
>Speaking of caffeine and asthma, the only other caffeine source I took since
>developing asthma was yerba maté (or is mateine different from caffeine?).
There is a debate over this. Basic lab tests pick up mataine as caffeine
because they are so similar. On the other hand other researchers using more
advanced tests have claimed that they are two different compounds. I personally
agree that they are two different things. Black tea, which contains caffeine
definitely keeps me awake. But I can readily go to sleep after drinking mate'.
And everyone else I know that drinks mate' also say that mate' does not affect
them like coffee or tea. On the other hand two posters here claimed that mate'
gives them a caffeine type rush.
>I don't like the smell of coffee
I am the same way. I cannot stand the taste or smell of coffee.
>never tried guarana
I hate gurana. I tried it twice, and both times it bottomed out my blood sugar.
>Yerba maté didn't do anything for me,
>I was not impressed.
That is what I mean, it does not stimulate the central nervous sytem as bad as
caffeine. Which is why I like to drink it. I do not liek CNS stimulants like
caffeine. I drink mate' for the taste, and the health benefits.
>Do hospitals still use theophylline to treat asthma?
Not real sure. They still were when I left conventional medicine, but that was
over a decade ago.
Thomas Mueller
> Maximowicza is the genus for schisandra. Typica is a form of coffee bean grown
> in Hawaii and Jamacia.
Are you sure Maximowicza is the genus for schisandra? Frontier catalog from
1996 gives the botanical name as Schisandra chinensis, as does the Blessed Herbs
catalog for 2003. One book, Herbs that Heal, by Michael A. Weiner, Ph.D., and
Janet A. Weiner, gives the botanical name as Schizandra chinensis, just a slight
difference in spelling, s vs. z, but far from Maximowicza.
But then botanists sometimes change their minds about genus and species names.
Camellia sinensis (tea) was formerly Thea sinensis.
HerbAssist again:
> There is a debate over this. Basic lab tests pick up mataine as caffeine
> because they are so similar. On the other hand other researchers using more
> advanced tests have claimed that they are two different compounds. I personally
> agree that they are two different things. Black tea, which contains caffeine
> definitely keeps me awake. But I can readily go to sleep after drinking mate'.
> And everyone else I know that drinks mate' also say that mate' does not affect
> them like coffee or tea. On the other hand two posters here claimed that mate'
> gives them a caffeine type rush.
Different people react differently to caffeine (and many other substances too).
Some people can drink coffee right up to bedtime and have no trouble sleeping,
while many others experience insomnia if they drink coffee too close to
bedtime. Green tea seems most of the time not to disturb my sleep.
HerbAssist
>
>> Maximowicza is the genus for schisandra. Typica is a form of coffee bean
>grown
>> in Hawaii and Jamacia.
>
>Are you sure Maximowicza is the genus for schisandra? Frontier catalog from
>1996 gives the botanical name as Schisandra chinensis, as does the Blessed
>Herbs
>catalog for 2003. One book, Herbs that Heal, by Michael A. Weiner, Ph.D.,
>and
>Janet A. Weiner, gives the botanical name as Schizandra chinensis, just a
>slight
>difference in spelling, s vs. z, but far from Maximowicza.
>
Here is a site with Genus names:
http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/database/engl-synonym-h-z.html
>But then botanists sometimes change their minds about genus and species
>names.
>Camellia sinensis (tea) was formerly Thea sinensis.
>
>HerbAssist again:
>
>> There is a debate over this. Basic lab tests pick up mataine as caffeine
>> because they are so similar. On the other hand other researchers using more
>> advanced tests have claimed that they are two different compounds. I
>personally
>> agree that they are two different things. Black tea, which contains
>caffeine
>> definitely keeps me awake. But I can readily go to sleep after drinking
>mate'.
>> And everyone else I know that drinks mate' also say that mate' does not
>affect
>> them like coffee or tea. On the other hand two posters here claimed that
>mate'
>> gives them a caffeine type rush.
>
>Different people react differently to caffeine (and many other substances
>too).
>Some people can drink coffee right up to bedtime and have no trouble
>sleeping,
That is because they have crashed their adrenals. So the caffeine is not
releasing enough epinepherine to keep them awake.
>while many others experience insomnia if they drink coffee too close to
>bedtime. Green tea seems most of the time not to disturb my sleep.
Green tea also contains a sedative called theanine. When caffeine is removed
from green tea the tea becomes sedative due to the theanine.
Rasta Poodle
>>Excerpt from herba...@aol.com (HerbAssist):
>>
>>> Maximowicza is the genus for schisandra. Typica is a form of coffee bean
>>grown
>>> in Hawaii and Jamacia.
This is very strange -- and very wrong. Where in the world did you get
this information? Aside from the antiquated schizandra name, the three
major species of coffee in commerce are arabica, robusta and liberica.
Typica is a variety of arabica, not a 'form' of coffee bean.
>>
>
>>Are you sure Maximowicza is the genus for schisandra? Frontier catalog from
>>1996 gives the botanical name as Schisandra chinensis, as does the Blessed
>>Herbs catalog for 2003. One book, Herbs that Heal, by Michael A. Weiner, Ph.D.,
>>and Janet A. Weiner, gives the botanical name as Schizandra chinensis, just a
>>slight difference in spelling, s vs. z, but far from Maximowicza.
>>
>
>Here is a site with Genus names:
>
>http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/database/engl-synonym-h-z.html
You google information on *one* website on the web and say that's
truth? Absolutely not. Schizandra is the genus. Sure you aren't
related to mousse head James Lumpkins, the googling fool troll of AFH?
If you are so 'off' in the botany, I am beginning to suspect the rest
of the 'information' you share here. Seems anybody who googles is now
an herb expert. They're certainly not a botany expert.
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>For a nice, spam-free, troll-free forum, go to
>http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/herblist/rules.html
>
>Henriette
>
>--
group.
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On the Contrary Mousey Boy - If you check the name of this newsgroup you'll
see that it's alt.folklore.herbs not alt.folklore.trolls - which is where
you should be posting.
LP
Cyli
<maison...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>That would be a good place to post your 800k of nonsense. Not on a news
>group.
>
And where do you think your posts belong? You don't approve of herbs,
you don't know diddly about herbs, you know none of the folklore
pertaining to them. You don't even seem to know how to use them in
cooking. Why are _you_ posting here? Whatever motivated you to even
look at the group in the first place? A thought that you could market
the herbs you were selling on your Web page at the time you first
began to post here?
Cyli
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Henriette Kress a écrit dans le message ...
>For a nice, spam-free, troll-free forum, go to
>
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>Henriette's herbal homepage:
This forum would have less spam if you quit posting your nonsense and
promoting your own site.
hwkmoon
Sounds like the Mouse is using a new idenity...:)
lp
Cyli
>On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:52:36 +0100, Jean wrote:
>
>>
>> Henriette Kress a ?crit dans le message ...
>>>For a nice, spam-free, troll-free forum, go to
>>>Henriette
>>>
>>>--
>>>Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland
>>>Henriette's herbal homepage:
>>
>> This forum would have less spam if you quit posting your nonsense and
>> promoting your own site.
>
>Sounds like the Mouse is using a new idenity...:)
>
>lp
That was my guess. Since most of the sincere have gone to Henriette's
list or gone elsewhere, he hasn't had much to troll. Newbbies come
and see no action and go away, also giving him no action.
Poor little mousie can't get anyone to play with.
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AmyW
>http://www.henriettesherbal.com/archives/herblist/rules.html
I'm sure you are missed on this usenet group, as I spent years reading
your posts.
AmyW
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