Re: How to choose the best news server for this newsgroup in 40tude Dialog?

[Martim Ribeiro]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 21:45:53 -0500, in
alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers tlvp wrote:

>> Ignoring both those left-most and right-most servers (which are clearly
>> dependent upon individual user's setup) ...
>
> Wrong. Only left-most server depends on individual user's setup. Right-most
> server is where the message originated, depends only on the OP's setup.

That's what I had meant, but I think I put the apostrophe in the wrong
place (users' vs user's); hence I appreciate the correction and
clarification.

I agree that the left-most bang-delineated server is the receiving user's
server, while the right-most bang delineated server is the sending user's
server (I think that's called the "injection" point).

>> ... , is it possible for the middle
>> entries in the PATH to be different given the same message ID?
>
> For a given message ID (MID), there's no predicting what the PATH entries
> any given recipient sees will be, other than initiating server (far right).

Thank you for confirming what my current understanding is of what the
middle server entries would be, which is completely independent of the
sending and receiving user, and only dependent on the NNTP server to NNTP
server path that the article took.

>> Another way of asking that is to say that if I receive my news from, say,
>> dizum, while you receive yours from, say, albasani, it seems conceivable to
>> me that the content of each of our PATH headers could be different, with
>> the only sure commonality being the right-most server entry.
>
> Quite so, for a message with given MID ... unless by a fluke two distinct
> messages have the same MID. Not supposed to happen, but might under certain
> circumstances that I'll let others more adept at message frogging explain.

I'm unfamiliar with the term "frogging" but I understand what you're
intimating since I will presume that one can falsify things on the path.

While I appreciate that falsification can occur (e.g., Steve talked about
the POSTED keyword being useful to prevent mistaken interpretation in the
case of what was referred to as "preloading"), I'm going to stick with
asking questions only about what "should" happen (not what 'could' happen).

Thanks!

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.]

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:58:34 -0000 (UTC), Martim Ribeiro <MartimX...@meo.pt> wrote:


>While I appreciate that falsification can occur (e.g., Steve talked about
>the POSTED keyword being useful to prevent mistaken interpretation in the
>case of what was referred to as "preloading"), I'm going to stick with
>asking questions only about what "should" happen (not what 'could' happen).

What *should* happen is you FOAD, Derbyshire sock puppet.

--

"In my erudition, I say a man not mince words in order
to spare the sensibilities of the thin-skinned and the
ignorant." --Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.

[Nadegda]

On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:12:06 -0500, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:58:34 -0000 (UTC), Martim Ribeiro
> <MartimX...@meo.pt> wrote:
>
>
>>While I appreciate that falsification can occur (e.g., Steve talked
>>about the POSTED keyword being useful to prevent mistaken interpretation
>>in the case of what was referred to as "preloading"), I'm going to stick
>>with asking questions only about what "should" happen (not what 'could'
>>happen).
>
> What *should* happen is you FOAD, Derbyshire sock puppet.

Fun fact: murphy's Kool-Ade causes cancer in laboratory rodents.

Just so you know.

<snicker>

--
Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Nadegda

Fakey couldn't teach a monkey to eat a banana, much less answer a direct
question posed to him. -- Fakey's Dogwhistle Holder

[luserdroog]

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 4:12:08 PM UTC-6, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:58:34 -0000 (UTC), Martim Ribeiro <MartimX...@meo.pt> wrote:
>
>
> >While I appreciate that falsification can occur (e.g., Steve talked about
> >the POSTED keyword being useful to prevent mistaken interpretation in the
> >case of what was referred to as "preloading"), I'm going to stick with
> >asking questions only about what "should" happen (not what 'could' happen).
>
> What *should* happen is you FOAD, Derbyshire sock puppet.
>

Now, now, skeeter, he ain't hurtin nobody.

[luserdroog]

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-6, Martim Ribeiro wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 21:45:53 -0500, in
> alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers tlvp wrote:
>

> > Quite so, for a message with given MID ... unless by a fluke two distinct
> > messages have the same MID. Not supposed to happen, but might under certain
> > circumstances that I'll let others more adept at message frogging explain.
>
> I'm unfamiliar with the term "frogging" but I understand what you're
> intimating since I will presume that one can falsify things on the path.
>

Frogs go hippity-hop?

[glenn...@gmail.com]

Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks

[JimP.]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:

>Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks

This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
--
Jim

[Andrew Swallow]

Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

It's nothing to with a browser unless the OP is using a google hack.
It's more likely to be in a newsreader.

Steve

--
Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com

[David Wade]

On 11/02/2017 13:16, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow
> <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>>
>>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>>> --
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.
>
> It's nothing to with a browser unless the OP is using a google hack.
> It's more likely to be in a newsreader.
>
> Steve
>

When using Chrome (and possibly other browsers) Google Groups will
generate e-mail alerts.

Dave

[Andreas Kohlbach]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>
> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>
>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>

> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.

What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUPC based dial-up network
architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)
--
Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
taking your wife on a cruise means circling the dairy queen.

[Andreas Kohlbach]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>

> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>
>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>

> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.

What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUCP based dial-up network

[John Levine]

In article <87bmu8v...@usenet.ankman.de> you write:
>What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUCP based dial-up network
>architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)

Telnet? What's that? What's its phone number?

R's,
John, on usenet since about 1981

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:14:21 -0500
Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
> >
> > On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
> >>
> >> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
> >
> > Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your
> > computer.
>
> What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUPC based dial-up network

Erm that's UUCP.

> architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)

Nah, using telnet to access USENET is quite fiddly, and certainly
wasn't possible on a UUCP network. On the internet an NNRP client is more
normal, prior to that an offline news reader was the norm.

--
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C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see
You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/

[Morten Reistad]

In article <egasol...@mid.individual.net>,
Huge <use...@huge.org.uk> wrote:

>On 2017-02-11, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>>>
>>>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.
>>
>> What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUCP based dial-up network
>> architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)
>

>I wonder what NNTP is, then?

An internet replacement for uucp. Or, uucico+batching, rather.
uucp is just the user interface program. The work is done by the
uucico program.

Back in the early eighties we used kermit to dial up the bbs
in question, sometimes via the x25 network to save on long distance.
(several large bbs'es had x25 subscriptions)

We then used some terminal program to reach a *n*x machine via
some network, and used rn or some similar tool to read news.

-- mrr

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 12 Feb 2017 10:46:45 GMT
Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2017-02-11, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
> >>>
> >>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
> >>
> >> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your
> >> computer.
> >
> > What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUCP based dial-up network
> > architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)
>

> I wonder what NNTP is, then?

A protocol that *can* be driven by telnet if you really want to.

[jmfbahciv]

Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>
>> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>>
>>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>>
>> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.
>
> What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUPC based dial-up network
> architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)

And then GOOGLE bought Deja News and fucked everything up.

/BAH

[jmfbahciv]

Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>
>> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>>
>>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>>
>> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.
>
> What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUCP based dial-up network
> architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)

<grin> don't confuse the kid.

/BAH

[Lawrence Statton NK1G]

Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> writes:

> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>
>> On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>>
>>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>>
>> Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.
>
> What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUCP based dial-up network
> architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)

But not for the poster who asked to be "unsubscribed". He's using the
Google Groups web interace.

[Mike Spencer]

Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> writes:

> There are probably not many protocols you can not run through telnet. The
> SMTP chat dialog worked for me. Also sent some GET to get the code of a
> HTML page. Never tried others though, other than NNTP.

Which makes them easy to do with Perl and IO::socket too. Or at least
straightforward -- chunking in HTTP makes for extra bother.

But I'm not looking forward to trying to get HTTPS to work that way.
Is there an existing Perl lib that will implement the crypto and cert
stuff so that a Perl script can fetch an HTTPS page without I have to
understand all that and write it myself?

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:27:36 -0500
Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:45:29 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> >
> > On 12 Feb 2017 10:46:45 GMT
> > Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder what NNTP is, then?
> >
> > A protocol that *can* be driven by telnet if you really want to.
>

> There are probably not many protocols you can not run through telnet. The

NFS, FTP, X11, anything encrypted spring to mind.

> SMTP chat dialog worked for me. Also sent some GET to get the code of a
> HTML page. Never tried others though, other than NNTP.

Most of the early protocols were text based for exactly that
reason.

[Andy Burns]

jmfbahciv wrote:

> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUPC based dial-up network
>> architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)
>
> And then GOOGLE bought Deja News and fucked everything up.

To be fair, Deja wasn't a read-only web interface to usenet, but it took
Google's deep pockets to fuck it up good and proper.

[maus]

On 2017-02-12, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:45:29 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>

>> On 12 Feb 2017 10:46:45 GMT
>> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder what NNTP is, then?
>>
>> A protocol that *can* be driven by telnet if you really want to.
>

> There are probably not many protocols you can not run through telnet. The

> SMTP chat dialog worked for me. Also sent some GET to get the code of a
> HTML page. Never tried others though, other than NNTP.

There was something called `Expect' which was a great help in all this.


--
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man

[jmfbahciv]

I was curious about how he "got subscribed" in the first place. Where
did he encounter that term?

/BAH

[Dan Espen]

Seems so:

http://search.cpan.org/~mschilli/LWP-Protocol-https-6.06/lib/LWP/Protocol/https.pm

--
Dan Espen

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 13 Feb 2017 14:22:14 GMT

It's still around, I have it on my workstation. The man page hasn't
changed since 1994 the same may well be true of the code.

[Michael Black]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:21:45 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:14:21 -0500
>> Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What's a browser? Usenet is developed from UUPC based dial-up network
>>
>> Erm that's UUCP.
>

> I canceled that one and posted the correct one. Seems it didn't work.
>
I don't know whether the cancellation didn't work, but the message I saw
had UUCP.

Michael

>>> architecture, and primarily accessed via telnet. ;-)
>>
>> Nah, using telnet to access USENET is quite fiddly, and certainly
>> wasn't possible on a UUCP network. On the internet an NNRP client is more
>> normal, prior to that an offline news reader was the norm.
>

> I only once managed to create the encrypted (password and what not) auth
> you need today to connect to an NNTP server, via telnet. LOL Wasn't nice
> though.

> --
> Andreas
> You know you are a redneck if

> any of your kids were conceived in a car wash.
>

[Bob Eager]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:01:11 +0000, Huge wrote:

> On 2017-02-13, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 13 Feb 2017 14:22:14 GMT maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-02-12, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> > There are probably not many protocols you can not run through
>>> > telnet. The SMTP chat dialog worked for me. Also sent some GET to
>>> > get the code of a HTML page. Never tried others though, other than
>>> > NNTP.
>>>
>>> There was something called `Expect' which was a great help in all
>>> this.
>>
>> It's still around, I have it on my workstation. The man page
hasn't
>> changed since 1994 the same may well be true of the code.
>

> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781565920903.do

I have it. Last revised 1996!



--
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

[Lawrence Statton NK1G]

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>> But not for the poster who asked to be "unsubscribed". He's using the
>> Google Groups web interace.
>>
> I was curious about how he "got subscribed" in the first place. Where
> did he encounter that term?
>

I could only speculate that the web interface has some variety of
"notify me when new postings appear in this thread" facility which OP
accidentally (or purposefully) activated and now regrets the decision.

[jmfbahciv]

OK. Thanks. Subscribe has taken on a new meaning; possibly due
to cell phone apps?

/BAH

[Scott Lurndal]

Stephen Wolstenholme <st...@easynn.com> writes:
>On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:38:44 +0000, Andrew Swallow
><am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>On 10/02/2017 22:07, JimP. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:24:54 -0800 (PST), glenn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plz unsubscribe me from your group thanks
>>>
>>> This isn't email. It is a Usenet newsgroup.
>>> --
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>>Which means the 'unsubscribe' control is in your browser on your computer.
>
>It's nothing to with a browser unless the OP is using a google hack.
>It's more likely to be in a newsreader.
>

The OP was posted through google groups web interface.

[Lawrence Statton NK1G]

The concept of "subscribing" to a mailing list goes back not less than
30 years in my mind. Confusing Usenet for Mailing List (and vice versa)
goes back about as far.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

Come to that many news readers have a concept of subscribing to a
newsgroup, there's no notification involved it's essentially just a list of
newsgroups that the user wants to see.

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawr...@senguio.mx> writes:
> The concept of "subscribing" to a mailing list goes back not less than
> 30 years in my mind. Confusing Usenet for Mailing List (and vice versa)
> goes back about as far.

I was blamed for online computer conferencing on the internal network
(larger than arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until
sometime mid-80s) in the late 70s and early 80s. Folklore is that when
the corporate executive committee was told about online computer
conferencing (and the internal network), 5of6 wanted to fire me
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#cmc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.htnl#internalnet

from IBM Jargon:

Tandem Memos - n. Something constructive but hard to control; a fresh
of breath air (sic). That's another Tandem Memos. A phrase to worry
middle management. It refers to the computer-based conference (widely
distributed in 1981) in which many technical personnel expressed
dissatisfaction with the tools available to them at that time, and
also constructively criticised the way products were are
developed. The memos are required reading for anyone with a serious
interest in quality products. If you have not seen the memos, try
reading the November 1981 Datamation summary.

... snip ...

There was then a lot of company task forces to investigate the phenomena
which resulted in official corporate sanctioned forums and a new tool
that supported both usenet-like operation option as well as mailing list
operation option (selected on the client side, server tool supported
modes).

Corporation then was providing funds and technology for the university
network BITNET network ... using some of the internal network
technology (and was also larger than arpanet/internet for a time)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BITNET
posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet

This was then expanded to europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Academic_Research_Network
old email from person setting up EARN (former co-worker at science
center, had been on assignment from France)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#email840320

was looking for internal network applications that could be
made available to universities

the current dominant mailing list processing was developed on
bitnet/earn in paris a couple years later (subset of the
internal corporate tool)
http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-history.asp

--
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

[jmfbahciv]

I know. I was thinking of new-fangled cell phones whose owners can
download an app for some unique service. Isn't that being called
subscribing now? If you think about it, the term's meaning is
skewing slightly.

/BAH

[Lawrence Statton NK1G]

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
> I know. I was thinking of new-fangled cell phones whose owners can
> download an app for some unique service. Isn't that being called
> subscribing now?

No.

At least, I've never heard that phrase used in any but the most common
senses of the word in any of the million meetings (slight exaggeration)
I've attended in the last six years writing Apps for mobile devices.

[jmfbahciv]

OK. Now I'm wondering how/when I got that impression. I'll pay
attention next time I get the impression.

Thanks.

/BAH

[Whiskers]

... and Google Groups does have a 'mailing list' aspect. Google-ised of
course, not quite the real thing.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

[Michael Black]

But isn't this the new Microsoft model? They want you to be on ongoing
customer, rather than "buying software". It might be called "rental" but
it seems more likely you become a "subscriber", paying amonthly fee, and
they keep the upgradings coming as they arrive.

Michael

[Charlie Gibbs]

"Here, have a taste. First one's free... Like it?
This one's a little stronger... (Heh, heh, heh...)"

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X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855.
/ \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!

[jmfbahciv]

Possibly, but I don't have any exposure to Msoft's business. Maybe I've
been getting the impression from the local radio station. People can
sign up to have gas prices, weather reports, and other stuff downloaded
at regular intervals. I don't know...I'm trying to be aware of the
impression.

/BAH

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 17 Feb 2017 14:01:44 GMT

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

> Possibly, but I don't have any exposure to Msoft's business. Maybe I've
> been getting the impression from the local radio station. People can
> sign up to have gas prices, weather reports, and other stuff downloaded
> at regular intervals. I don't know...I'm trying to be aware of the
> impression.

Ah yes there are apps for all of these sorts of things which either
poll some data source or register with one for notifications of changes. The
latter form of interaction is called the pub-sub model (publish-subscribe)
which is where the subscribe comes into it.

[J. Clarke]

In article <PM000548BA591E1F87
@aca41cb7.ipt.aol.com>, See....@aol.com
says...

I've not heard anyone talk of subscribing to an
app. There are services to which one subscribes
that are of limited utility until one downloads
and installs the associated app.

Note that "app" is not shorthand for
"application" anymore--when someone talks about
an "app" they are generally talking about
something downloaded from a system-vendor
controlled source and compliant with whatever
rules that vendor has established for code
delivered from that source--Android has the
"Play Store" and Apple and Microsoft have
similar.

[jmfbahciv]

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 17 Feb 2017 14:01:44 GMT
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Possibly, but I don't have any exposure to Msoft's business. Maybe I've
>> been getting the impression from the local radio station. People can
>> sign up to have gas prices, weather reports, and other stuff downloaded
>> at regular intervals. I don't know...I'm trying to be aware of the
>> impression.
>
> Ah yes there are apps for all of these sorts of things which either
> poll some data source or register with one for notifications of changes. The
> latter form of interaction is called the pub-sub model (publish-subscribe)
> which is where the subscribe comes into it.
>

Thanks. Is the latter really a subscription? The term's definition
seems to be changing. I can see it being a subscription if the emails
(or whatever) ship out today's newspaper. A radio station, which
sends out the price of gas at 16:00 to a mailing list doesn't
send the contents of it's web page which also lists gas prices...
oh, unless the radio station's web page is also a recipient of the
internet broadcast (I'm not sure broadcast is the correct term either).

/BAH

[Whiskers]

I think 'subscribe' still means basically to add one's name to a list.
That may cost money, but that's all to do with the purpose of the list
not with the action of attaching names thereunto.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 18 Feb 2017 13:52:55 GMT

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On 17 Feb 2017 14:01:44 GMT
> > jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Possibly, but I don't have any exposure to Msoft's business. Maybe
> >> I've been getting the impression from the local radio station. People
> >> can sign up to have gas prices, weather reports, and other stuff
> >> downloaded at regular intervals. I don't know...I'm trying to be
> >> aware of the impression.
> >
> > Ah yes there are apps for all of these sorts of things which either
> > poll some data source or register with one for notifications of
> > changes. The latter form of interaction is called the pub-sub model
> > (publish-subscribe) which is where the subscribe comes into it.
> >
> Thanks. Is the latter really a subscription? The term's definition
> seems to be changing.

Certainly not in the sense of a paid for regular delivery, but the
terminology used is that the app subscribes to the data service which will
then send data to the app as either periodically or on change.