Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?

[gareth evans]

When I got this laptop 8 years ago, it came with a year's free
subscription to McAfee, and the firewall and virus checking
were useful, so I started paying the annual subscription.

But of late, McAfee has become bloated with more and more
unwelcome and unwanted facilities that it is really getting
on my tits, especially the high level of pop-ups which
suspend and interfere with my typing by taking the focus
away from whatever window I was in.

So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?

[John Levine]

According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:

>So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?

Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.



--
Regards,
John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

[Bud Spencer]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022, John Levine wrote:

> According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>> So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>
> Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
> free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.

Proper solution: don't run windows. Simplex.

--
₪ BUD ₪

[D.J.]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:36:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
<jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>>So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>
>Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
>free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.

I use pcmatic. It is currently the best.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

Several computer forums I'm on have stated that McAfee and others from
years ago should be avoided.
--
Jim

[Scott Lurndal]

In forty years of computing, I've only seen "pcmatic" in the TV
commercials. I've never seen it used in real life in business or
for personal installations. It's never discussed in the standard
technical fora for antiviral software. The commercials remind me
of Chevy Chase and his bassamatic.

[Quadibloc]

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 5:06:06 AM UTC-6, gareth evans wrote:
> So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?

When my parents grew up, they didn't have computers, so computer
viruses weren't one of the thing they thought about to warn their
kids about.

In fact, I was already an adult before computers stopped being
something that filled whole rooms which mere mortals used from
terminals or with punched cards... and became something we
could own ourselves.

And, on the other hand, syphillis and gonhorrea are both bacterial
rather than viral diseases. The Human Immunodeficiency Virus
was *also* unknown during my childhood.

John Savard

[Vir Campestris]

On 15/07/2022 18:28, Bud Spencer wrote:
> Proper solution: don't run windows. Simplex.

I run Linux, but I remember that Linux (and Mac) viruses do exist.
They're just rare.

Personal hygiene is always the best solution!

Andy

[D.J.]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 18:12:15 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

I heard about it, over a year before the tv commercials.
--
Jim

[John Levine]

According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:

>And, on the other hand, syphillis and gonhorrea are both bacterial
>rather than viral diseases. The Human Immunodeficiency Virus
>was *also* unknown during my childhood.

I suspect people had heard of smallpox and polio by then.

(I'm wondering how much protection the smallpox shot I got in
the 1950s gives me against monkeypox.)

[Peter Flass]

John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:
>> And, on the other hand, syphillis and gonhorrea are both bacterial
>> rather than viral diseases. The Human Immunodeficiency Virus
>> was *also* unknown during my childhood.
>
> I suspect people had heard of smallpox and polio by then.
>
> (I'm wondering how much protection the smallpox shot I got in
> the 1950s gives me against monkeypox.)

Monkeypox seems to be shaping up as another covid. First they say “it’s
rare, and hard to get.” Now it seems to be becoming less rare, and a lot
easier to get than originally thought.

--
Pete

[Dave Garland]

Still sounds like it requires close physical contact, which is of
course pretty common. Not an STD, but not airborne like covid unless
your faces are very close together.

[Dave Garland]

I've never seen it in use, but Pcmatic has an interesting approach. If
a program isn't whitelisted, it's blocked. Supposedly blocked programs
will be checked within 24 hours, but the PCMag review said that after
3 days most hadn't been. Lot of false positives. I guess once you've
sorted everything out, it's ok so long as you don't make changes.

John's right, Windows Defender is decent if not outstanding, a far cry
from the days when MS "AV" was a joke. McAfee is bloated beyond
usefulness. On my Win machine I used Kaspersky until the current
Russo-paranoia, now a different (and non-USA) AV where the free
version isn't too obnoxious. But I have pretty good hygiene, it's been
ages since anything tripped (and I do visit some disreputable sites).

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

I run (an ancient) firewall; it won't stop my PC getting infected, but
I'll see if/when anything dubious 'phones home'. Not had anything in years
(I hope I haven't just jinxed it!).


--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

[gareth evans]

Herpes is known as the wounded disease, because it travels the World
on crutches.

Old Brit Navy joke ...

Doctor, I think I've been infected by Hermes.

... I think you mean Herpes.

No, I'm definitely a carrier!

[Redneck]

On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
> John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>> And, on the other hand, syphillis and gonhorrea are both bacterial
>>> rather than viral diseases. The Human Immunodeficiency Virus
>>> was *also* unknown during my childhood.
>>
>> I suspect people had heard of smallpox and polio by then.
>>
>> (I'm wondering how much protection the smallpox shot I got in
>> the 1950s gives me against monkeypox.)

About as much protection as 'Big Bubba' your new cellmate provides when
he says, "Hey, fresh fish, don't you worry! I'll *protect* you!

> Monkeypox seems to be shaping up as another covid. First they say “it’s
> rare, and hard to get.” Now it seems to be becoming less rare, and a lot
> easier to get than originally thought.

Not a single, verifiable isolate of COVID exists. But only extremist
bumpkins would dare question it.

Your lords and masters could invent a new, fictitious 'dreaded gumboo'
virus every week and you slaves would run out to get 52 jabs and 156
boosters every year. And you would call for the heads of everyone who
dares to endanger humanity by refusing all 208 annual shots. Some of you
would demand internment camps for any people who believe 208 jabs per
year is a tad excessive.

There is no virus. It's a scam. The fact you are not talking about the
obvious speaks volumes. Until you actually question the lies you are
being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.

Allow me to redneck it down for you: they are lying to you, and you love
to be lied to and abused. Your civilization has been conquered by a
hostile foreign cabal who hates you and rules by deceit, and you can't
even see it. You're too busy blowing smoke up each others' asses to see
anything.

The modern 'science' of virology and immunology are Roman quack
medicine. It's medieval demonology updated for rubes who consider
themselves more 'sophisticated' than those medieval peasants.

For those who don't know their history, consider this.

The government required masking 100 years ago with the fake Spanish Flu
pandemic. A series of 26 vaccines was forced on hundreds of millions of
people. The vaccines killed 75 million people. A health department
officer shot a man for refusing to wear a mask in one city. Many more
who refused to participate in the religious masking ritual had their
lives and livelihoods destroyed.

The government required masking 200 years ago.

The government required masking 300 years ago, well before the existence
of germs had even been discovered. In the 1720s, the government mandated
quarantines and mask-wearing in Philadelphia, due to a yellow fever
outbreak. The only problem is that yellow fever is a tropical disease
and cannot survive as far north as Philadelphia. It was a made-up, fake
pandemic of a disease that didn't even exist in that region.

The government required quarantines and masking 100 years before that,
and again 100 years before that, and so on. This religious submission
ritual goes back many centuries in the annals of history. It's a boiling
frog exercise in submission to 'authority' that the empire rolls out at
least once every 100 years. The fear and panic it creates in the
populace makes them easy to control and ready to believe any lie spoken
by authority.

You are slaves. And you deserve to be slaves. Kiss the hands that feed
you. Your Roman Catholic masters hate you, because you by your
capitulation to their obvious lies, prove your weakness to them, and
embolden them to push the envelope. Now they are coming openly to fuck
your children in the ass, and training your children in Kindergarten to
submit to anal ass raping with GLBT indoctrination. This is how a
conquering army operates. They rape your women and children as a form of
terror.

--

Redneck

[Ray Hughes]

Norton on my one windows machine is exactly the same. more and more
addons that I dont want and fight like blazes every year to cancel the
"Autorenew"

RayH

[maus]

On 2022-07-16, Redneck <sp...@red.neck> wrote:
> On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>> John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>>> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>>> And, on the other hand, syphillis and gonhorrea are both bacterial
>>>> rather than viral diseases. The Human Immunodeficiency Virus
>>>> was *also* unknown during my childhood.
>>>
>>> I suspect people had heard of smallpox and polio by then.
>>>
>>> (I'm wondering how much protection the smallpox shot I got in
>>> the 1950s gives me against monkeypox.)
>
> About as much protection as 'Big Bubba' your new cellmate provides when
> he says, "Hey, fresh fish, don't you worry! I'll *protect* you!
>
>> Monkeypox seems to be shaping up as another covid. First they say “it’s
>> rare, and hard to get.” Now it seems to be becoming less rare, and a lot
>> easier to get than originally thought.
>
> Not a single, verifiable isolate of COVID exists. But only extremist
> bumpkins would dare question it.
>

> You are slaves. And you deserve to be slaves. Kiss the hands that feed
> you. Your Roman Catholic masters hate you, because you by your
> capitulation to their obvious lies, prove your weakness to them, and
> embolden them to push the envelope. Now they are coming openly to fuck
> your children in the ass, and training your children in Kindergarten to
> submit to anal ass raping with GLBT indoctrination. This is how a
> conquering army operates. They rape your women and children as a form of
> terror.
>
> --
>
> Redneck

The spanish flu existed. I remember people talking about it, the whole
world suffered from it.


--
grey...@mail.com
"Are you sure that you can live on your investments after retirement?
If not, send us all your money."

[D.J.]

PcMatic can be set to 'ask me' for any program previously not
installed/used. I set it that way.

It did tend to change back to 'always block', but that has been fixed.
I have it set in its menus to ask me.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
.
--
Jim

[Redneck]

On 7/16/22 09:31, maus wrote:
> The spanish flu existed. I remember people talking about it, the whole
> world suffered from it.

Of course. The whole world once suffered from the curses of Moloch on
their harvest, and the curses of Moloch that caused disease, until they
followed the science and sacrificed their children in bonfires to
Moloch. Many lives were saved from the wrath of Moloch with 'booster
burnings' to ensure future immunity. I remember, it was real.

Pull your head out of your grundle. The plandemic is fake and you are a
dupe. You are lining your children up to be injected with poison because
of your peasant superstitions about invisible germs.

You hate your children. You especially hate other people's children. But
you love Moloch's medical priests, and you will talk about the 'safety
of children' as you sell them into slavery.

--

Redneck

[Redneck]

On 7/16/22 10:15, D.J. wrote:
>> There is no virus. It's a scam. The fact you are not talking about the
>> obvious speaks volumes. Until you actually question the lies you are
>> being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>> medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid

You are a sucker, suck-up, and useful idiot.

The dead who died from the plandemic died from intubation, medical
neglect, and dangerous experimental vaccines.

You helped murder those people with your support of the big lie. You are
a murderer!

--

Redneck

[maus]

On 2022-07-16, D.J <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:45:02 -0500, Redneck <sp...@red.neck> wrote:
>>On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:

>>being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>>medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>
> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
> .
> --
> Jim

Ignore the troll, I was tempted, Lord, and succumed.

[Dan Espen]

maus <ma...@dmaus.org> writes:

> On 2022-07-16, D.J <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:45:02 -0500, Redneck <sp...@red.neck> wrote:
>>>On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>>being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>>>medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>>
>> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
>> .
>> --
>> Jim
>
> Ignore the troll, I was tempted, Lord, and succumed.

Yep. Another one too stupid to even try to reason with.

--
Dan Espen

[D.J.]

Aw, the crazy man is trying to lecture on on how stupid he is.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:50:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

If that fools misinformation causes one death, they should be charged
with murder. Their posts are too literate to be that dumb.
--
Jim

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:05:24 -0500
D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If that fools misinformation causes one death, they should be charged
> with murder. Their posts are too literate to be that dumb.

Only a troll would post as "Redneck".

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

[Redneck]

"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil."

Here the medical cultist is medicalizing dissent, showing his true colors.

You are a murderer, Jim. You support the imperialist lies that have
killed and maimed countless people. Your civilization has been conquered
by a religious cult of liars who have captured all the licensed
professions. You are a conquered people.

You support a medical experiment on billions of people, and have the
pluck to call me 'crazy' and 'stupid.' Your arrogance is astounding.

-- Redneck

[Redneck]

You expose yourself once again as a murderer. You want to shed the
innocent blood of those who warn about danger.

You would be better off preferring murder charges for all the medicos
who murdered millions of people with the vax poison.

And you expose yourself by noting the literacy of my speech.

You are obstinate, self-willed, and delusional.

The virus is fake.

The jab kills.

Before COVID, iatrogenic deaths were 10x higher than deaths from
automobile accidents. After COVID iatrogenic killings have skyrocketed.

--

Redneck

[D.J.]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:25:14 -0500, Redneck <nos...@red.neck> wrote:
>On 7/16/22 11:04, D.J. wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:27:01 -0500, Redneck <nos...@red.neck> wrote:
>>> On 7/16/22 10:15, D.J. wrote:
>>>>> There is no virus. It's a scam. The fact you are not talking about the
>>>>> obvious speaks volumes. Until you actually question the lies you are
>>>>> being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>>>>> medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>>>> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
>>>
>>> You are a sucker, suck-up, and useful idiot.
>>>
>>> The dead who died from the plandemic died from intubation, medical
>>> neglect, and dangerous experimental vaccines.
>>>
>>> You helped murder those people with your support of the big lie. You are
>>> a murderer!
>>
>> Aw, the crazy man is trying to lecture on on how stupid he is.
>> --
>> Jim
>
>"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil."
>
>Here the medical cultist is medicalizing dissent, showing his true colors.

You smell of bat crap crazy. Bye bye fool.
--
Jim

[Redneck]

On 7/16/22 11:38, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:05:24 -0500
> D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If that fools misinformation causes one death, they should be charged
>> with murder. Their posts are too literate to be that dumb.
>
> Only a troll would post as "Redneck".
>

The problem with your drivel is that your statement is the "No True
Scotsman" fallacy. It is a variation of the "ad hominem" fallacy.

Surely, no true Scotsman would call himself "Redneck" so everything else
he says cannot be true.

What a simpleton argument!

Using your logic what kind of Scotsman calls himself, "Ahem A Rivet's Shot?"

Have you heard about throwing stones in glass houses?

COVID is a hoax. The vax kills people. Masking does nothing to protect
from viruses. The U.S. regime has killed more people than Genghis Khan.
The liberalist USA regime is the most genocidal regime in world history.
It makes Hitler and Stalin look like amateurs. Their propaganda is so
good that nobody ever talks about the USA regime body count.

These man-slayers killed over 600 thousand in Iraq alone. Multiply that
by the dozens of aggressive wars they have waged in 200 years to 'spread
democracy.'

Since its founding the USA regime as murdered over 300 million people
not counting Africans, Central and South Americans forced into
starvation and butchery from CIA backed coups and revolutions, and you
trust them when they say they want to protect you from the common cold
with an experimental vaccine?

Who is really the troll here?

--

Redneck

[Redneck]

On 7/16/22 12:36, D.J. wrote:
> You smell of bat crap crazy. Bye bye fool.

"He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander,
is a fool."

You smell of stinkin' thinkin'.

Run back to your delusions, wrap yourself in a flag, imprison and kill
all the anti-vaxers, and pretend you are safe there. Until they mandate
something even a slave like you can't bear to abide, then it's your turn
to be called a fool.

You're really just an effeminate coward who has decided to side with
those you perceive as winning. Until it all comes crashing down.

What did the Bolsheviks do to all the useful idiots who helped them
seize power?

You'll have to visit their mass graves to ask. Useful idiots and
sympathizers are loose ends, after all. And loose ends get tied up once
the revolution is complete.

--

Redneck

[Peter Flass]

My mother had memories of it, although she was pretty young then.




--
Pete

[Peter Flass]

Ooookayyyyy, please put your tinfoil hat back on now.


--
Pete

[J. Clarke]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:36:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
<jo...@taugh.com> wrote:

>According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>>So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>
>Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
>free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.

Our problems with malware started when some scam artist figured out
that he could get paid 50 bucks a shot for malware if he called it
"antivirus".

[J. Clarke]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 12:52:49 -0500, D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 12:06:02 +0100, gareth evans
><headst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>When I got this laptop 8 years ago, it came with a year's free
>>subscription to McAfee, and the firewall and virus checking
>>were useful, so I started paying the annual subscription.
>>
>>But of late, McAfee has become bloated with more and more
>>unwelcome and unwanted facilities that it is really getting
>>on my tits, especially the high level of pop-ups which
>>suspend and interfere with my typing by taking the focus
>>away from whatever window I was in.

>>
>>So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>

>Several computer forums I'm on have stated that McAfee and others from
>years ago should be avoided.

Given that McAfee offed himself in a Spanish prison while awaiting
extradition to the US where he was to be tried for tax evasion, that
he claims never to have used his own product, and that the government
was out to get him, I think that that is a wise choice.

[J. Clarke]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:05:24 -0500, D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:50:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>maus <ma...@dmaus.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 2022-07-16, D.J <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:45:02 -0500, Redneck <sp...@red.neck> wrote:
>>>>>On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>> John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>>>>being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>>>>>medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>>>>
>>>> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
>>>> .
>>>> --
>>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Ignore the troll, I was tempted, Lord, and succumed.
>>
>>Yep. Another one too stupid to even try to reason with.
>
>If that fools misinformation causes one death, they should be charged
>with murder. Their posts are too literate to be that dumb.

So some loon posts lunacy and some idiot listens and gets dead for his
trouble and the loon posting lunacy is a murderer? Sorry, we are all
responsible for our own decisions, including the idiot who got dead. I
realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
big huge city.

[Charlie Gibbs]

Was his name Bill Gates? <g,d&r>

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

[Dan Espen]

Oh, that evil liberalism. Next it will be spreading lies about the
pandemic. Oh wait, that act is already taken.

Your politics is stupid and boring.

I guess we can see there are a lot of idiots in this world. It's good we
don't have to do anything to protect them.


--
Dan Espen

[Jim Jackson]

Is education so BAD in the USA that such idiots get through?

**Plonk**

[Dan Espen]

Education is pretty bad, but this is the culture in action.
Specifically, Fox news viewers.

Basically, people are the same everywhere but when you encourage idiots
bad things happen.

--
Dan Espen

[Divine Hate Crime]

On 7/17/22 10:56, J. Clarke wrote:
> I
> realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
> our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
> judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
> getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
> big huge city.

The problem is that 'liberals' have the poorest judgment of all. They
are not on some pedestal meting out 'wisdom' and 'prudence' to the rest
of us. They are sewer rats with no moral ground to stand on. They don't
mean anyone well and they are not trying to protect anyone. They are
trying to destroy every obstacle to their gain and greed. The recent
COVID nonsense is just a pretext for the exercise of unalawful and
unconstitutional power. Everything these liars do and say is a subterfuge.

The slaying of innocent babies in the womb is their religious sacrament.
That is engraved in the stone of history for all to behold, forever.
They will never be able to walk that back or put that genie back in the
bottle. We still remember the ancient Democrats who sacrificed babies to
Moloch, after three millenia. We'll remember the modern Democrats child
sacrifice through abortion even longer.

Abortion is their religious sacrament, similar to how burning a bloody
picture of Mary is a Mafia sacrament, similar to how beating up or
killing a victim is a gangster sacrament. Once you cross that line, you
show you have your cred to be part of the criminal gang. This is why
abortion is so important to lunatic leftists. It proves to the gang that
you are loyal to them, and every criminal enterprise needs that show of
loyalty to feed the delusion that they will continue to evade justice.

Liberals are not trying to 'protect' us from ourselves. They are trying
to gaslight us into submission to their religion. They don't demand that
you tolerate their sexual and prenatal abuse of children. They demand
that you celebrate it and participate in it, or else. They protect you
the same way a mob boss or Stalinist 'protects' you.

All liberals are murderers. They gather together to promote laws,
policies, and culture that strangle the life out of anyone who will not
climb down into the sewer with them. That is murder. It is genocide. You
don't have to be the trigger man to be guilty of genocide. You just have
to give support to the trigger man who is doing the dirty work for you.

Every liberal seeks to profit from the destruction of those who don't
want to be enslaved to their notions of 'democracy' which is really just
a religious caste system with worship of the state as the central deity.
Most conservatives are effeminate subs submitting to the liberal doms,
in worship of the same state. They're all evil cultists and slavers.

The countless effeminate sell-outs in academia who have lived by the
sword through government funding, will defend these 'democratic' slave
rackets to their last breath. These people produce nothing and devour
everything. They are incapable of running a business, or a farm, or a
factory, laying a foundation, building a cattle fence, raising a barn,
etc. So they get on the government dole and take cash for indoctrinating
the youth to be faithful to the empire and its false gods. Their
incompetence is celebrated, so they will stay loyal to the empire and
keep raising up generations of indoctrinated slaves.

These people will never admit to their evil ways. They want to slander,
belittle, harass, annoy, silence, and destroy anyone who calls attention
to their crimes. They reject the forgiveness that God offers through
Jesus. All it takes is for a man to admit to Jesus that his own manmade
ideas are wrong, and a man can be transformed from his wicked ways into
a life of truth. But as the scripture says, they reject the light
because the light exposes their evil deeds.

The word 'sinner' means 'criminal.' The greatest hate crime in world
history was when the Jews and Romans murdered Jesus Christ on the cross.
The liberal elite are mostly Romans (Catholic) and Jews, who like their
ancestors continue to hate and slander the very creator that gave them
existence. Their rebellion against Him is a crime, or 'sin.'

Bloody and war-mongering western 'civilization' is ruled by these bloody
scavengers. They desire to destroy anyone who points out these truths.
Many useful idiots parrot their slanders and accusations, thinking this
will keep them in the good graces of their masters.

We've seen this play out many times in history.

--

Democracy in Action is a Divine Hate Crime

[Divine Hate Crime]

On 7/17/22 14:25, Divine Hate Crime wrote:
> We've seen this play out many times in history.

Edit: We've seen this play out many times in history. None remain long
in the good graces of tyrants.

[Bud Spencer]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2022-07-17, J Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:36:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>> <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>>> So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>>>
>>> Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
>>> free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.
>>
>> Our problems with malware started when some scam artist figured out
>> that he could get paid 50 bucks a shot for malware if he called it
>> "antivirus".
>
> Was his name Bill Gates? <g,d&r>

The very same who is now "saving" you with his "covid vaccine" ... makes
you think ... or not.

--
₪ BUD ₪

[Vir Campestris]

On 16/07/2022 15:31, maus wrote:
> The spanish flu existed. I remember people talking about it, the whole
> world suffered from it.

This clown thinks viruses are "Roman quack medicine".

I've seen electron micrographs of viruses prepared by people I trust
with equipment I've touched.

I don't know what education he has, or what he's trying to do, but
people like him are responsible for many deaths. Far more than those
who've suffered from the vaccines.

Andy

[Doublethink]

You think it was a 'virus' that you were looking at. I've seen countless
electron microscope scans of the 'virus' and they're bunk. Anyone can
take a scan of sputum and call it 'virus' or 'Bullwinkle' or whatever
they want to call it. The identification of the 'pathogen' is based on
circular reasoning, not on Koch's postulates. Sorry to break it to you,
but you've been duped.

The most sophisticated methods in serology require highly holy and
special equipment that only the initiated can operate or
understand--like peepstones, magic wands, sacred bones, and talismans.
The religious ritual of the face mask also goes back ages, and was long
common among witch doctors, shamans, and pagans as a signal of
submission to their gods or spirits, to ward off sickness thought to be
caused by demons. Not all witch doctors and shamans were intentionally
committing fraud. Many of them believed their own nonsense. This
delusional belief breeds confidence that is convincing to the ignorant,
and revolting to those of us possessing true wisdom.

Scans of imaginary viruses are just an updated version of this. Many
scammers believe in their own scam. They have to because they have so
much invested in it. The delusion multiplies like a virus.

The CEO of Theranos is a perfect example of this insanity. She was not
an exception to the rule. She is the rule in the medical science field.
She just ripped off the wrong people, who happened to be prominent
politicians. If she hadn't ripped off the wrong people you'd be hearing
about her magical medical diagnosis machine and reading its praises to
this day.

When the human body is exposed to certain stressors, such as a new form
of electromagnetic radiation (Terrestrial Radio in 1920 & 5G in 2020),
the cells produce exosomes to adapt to the new stressor. When these
exosomes are expelled, the medical mafia declares them as 'contagious
viruses' and sells billions in vaccines to 'fight the virus.' The
promoters of the snake oil have great incentive to believe their own
delusions about their product and its necessity. In reality the stressor
that induces the exosome expulsion is not even considered by the medical
'scientists' as they jump straight into production.

But the 'virus' was created by the stress response, not by an invasion
of the immune system.

This once was common knowledge until some very rich and powerful people
realized they could have a guaranteed annual income of billions in
perpetuity by selling the witch's brew called 'vaccine.'

Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates back
to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft. It was
right up there with head shrinking and trepanation of the skull.

Like the scripture says: "I will send among them a strong delusion ..."

And it also says: "Come out of her my people ... that ye receive not of
her plagues ..." I came out of the darkness into the light well before
the plandemic, so I saw her plague coming before she manufactured it.

And the scripture also says:

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane
and vain babblings, and oppositions of *science* falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith." (1 Timothy 6:20)

Mankind is corrupted by self-serving delusions that make him cock-sure
that his idiotic superstitions are 'science' or 'truth.' The goblins
can't get away with stake burnings today, so they settle for economic
assassination to silence dissent and keep the herd in line with the cult.

As for your final paragraph:

Doublethink - Wikipedia
Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are
expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth,
often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is
related to, but differs from, hypocrisy. George Orwell coined the term
doublethink (as part of the fictional language of Newspeak) in his 1949
dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

--

Doublethink

[Shell Prompt]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:25:14 -0500, in <taus8m$3fhns$1...@news.mixmin.net>,

I see one of Putin's pleasure players has come to visit.

(Russian trolls are capitalizing on the polarization in America with
their disinformation campaigns.)

--
-$_#!/bin/bash...

[Quadibloc]

On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 5:44:32 AM UTC-6, Redneck wrote:

> There is no virus. It's a scam.

You present zero evidence of that. Historical mistakes in
reacting to disease do not invalidate current medical
science.
Your assertiions, based on no evidence, only political
paranoia, do not outweigh information from credible sources
when people face a potential threat to their lives.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:56:37 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> So some loon posts lunacy and some idiot listens and gets dead for his
> trouble and the loon posting lunacy is a murderer? Sorry, we are all
> responsible for our own decisions, including the idiot who got dead.

*And* including the loon who posted lunacy.

However, being able to trace which loon the idiot listened to is so impractical
that this is not a useful strategy of deterrence.

Of course we are all responsible for our decisions. But the fact that we have
to put locks on our doors, or doubt what other people say, is because of evil
thieves and liars, it's not because of honest people. Honest people *deserve*
to live in a world where everyone else is honest too.

So making the people who are dishonest pay for *all* the costs of the *existence*
of dishonesty as a possibility is perfectly fair and just.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:

> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates back
> to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft. It was
> right up there with head shrinking and trepanation of the skull.

And after Jonas Salk came along, you could go to the beach in the summer
without having to worry about winding up in an iron lung.

That would *tend* to suggest that he wasn't engaging in witchcraft, but
in science, wouldn't it?

John Savard

[Ray Hughes]

Very well put.

RayH

[D.J.]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 22:48:09 +0300, Bud Spencer <b...@campo.verano.it>
wrote:

He didn't. Covid is real, but don't take the vaccine. It will be good
bye to stupid.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:42:39 -0500, Doublethink <dou...@think.dos>
wrote:

>You think it was a 'virus' that you were looking at. I've seen countless
>electron microscope scans of the 'virus' and they're bunk. Anyone can
>take a scan of sputum and call it 'virus' or 'Bullwinkle' or whatever
>they want to call it. The identification of the 'pathogen' is based on
>circular reasoning, not on Koch's postulates. Sorry to break it to you,
>but you've been duped.

Oh look, another crazy.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 14:25:42 -0500, Divine Hate Crime
<div...@hate.crime> wrote:
>On 7/17/22 10:56, J. Clarke wrote:
>> I
>> realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>> our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>> judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>> getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>> big huge city.
>
>The problem is that 'liberals' have the poorest judgment of all. They
>are not on some pedestal meting out 'wisdom' and 'prudence' to the rest

More vermin.
--
Jim

[Charlie Gibbs]

Nah, probably just the same nymshifter.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:56:01 -0500
D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh look, another crazy.

I think there's just the one really.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

[John Levine]

According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:

>On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
>
>> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates back
>> to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft.

We got vaccines against whooping cough, diptheria, and tetanus by the
1930s, which were combined into DPT in 1948, even before the Salk and
Sabin polio vaccines in the 1950s.

If that's witchcraft, the witches saved a whole lot of children from
illness and death.

Please note Followup-To.

Fun fact: pediatrician Leila Denmark, who was one of the inventors of
the whooping cough vaccine, was born in 1898, started practicing in
1928, retired in 2001, and died in 2012.
--
Regards,
John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

[D.J.]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 18:26:32 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:56:01 -0500
>D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh look, another crazy.
>
>I think there's just the one really.

Could be, but not necessarilly.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
<cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>On 2022-07-18, D.J <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 14:25:42 -0500, Divine Hate Crime
>> <div...@hate.crime> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/17/22 10:56, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>>>> our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>>>> judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>>>> getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>>>> big huge city.
>>>
>>> The problem is that 'liberals' have the poorest judgment of all. They
>>> are not on some pedestal meting out 'wisdom' and 'prudence' to the rest
>>
>> More vermin.
>
>Nah, probably just the same nymshifter.

I know some actual rednecks. They made the same claims as the ding
dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
vaccine and take precautions.
--
Jim

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 18:12:59 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:

> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:
> >On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
> >
> >> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates
> >> back to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft.
>
> We got vaccines against whooping cough, diptheria, and tetanus by the
> 1930s, which were combined into DPT in 1948, even before the Salk and
> Sabin polio vaccines in the 1950s.

Vaccination goes back to Edward Jenner who used cowpox to vaccinate
against smallpox in the 1790s. Synthetic vaccines date back to Louis
Pasteur's rabies and anthrax vaccines in the late 1800s.

> If that's witchcraft, the witches saved a whole lot of children from
> illness and death.

I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
described as witches or even warlocks.

[Peter Flass]

But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
say so when asked.

--
Pete

[maus]

On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 18:12:59 -0000 (UTC)
> John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>
>> According to Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>:
>> >On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
>> >
>> >> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates
>> >> back to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft.
>>
>> We got vaccines against whooping cough, diptheria, and tetanus by the
>> 1930s, which were combined into DPT in 1948, even before the Salk and
>> Sabin polio vaccines in the 1950s.
>
> Vaccination goes back to Edward Jenner who used cowpox to vaccinate
> against smallpox in the 1790s. Synthetic vaccines date back to Louis
> Pasteur's rabies and anthrax vaccines in the late 1800s.

Actually, according some recent things I have read, no cite, but a sort
of vaccination had been used in Africa and Europe well before that.
Jenner publicised it.

>
>> If that's witchcraft, the witches saved a whole lot of children from
>> illness and death.
>
> I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
> described as witches or even warlocks.
>

The recent vaccines are completely different. They should be derided as
the catchpennies they are, to save genuine medicine and science.


--
grey...@mail.com
"Are you sure that you can live on your investments after retirement?
If not, send us all your money."

[maus]

On 2022-07-18, Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs

>> dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
>> vaccine and take precautions.
>
> But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
> friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
> say so when asked.
>

The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
doscredit genuine doubters.

[Peter Flass]

maus <ma...@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-07-18, Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>> dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
>>> vaccine and take precautions.
>>
>> But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
>> friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
>> say so when asked.
>>
>
> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
> doscredit genuine doubters.
>
>

It’s not necessarily a bad thing to be cautious, but we’re now two years in
on vaccines. How long should people wait? What are they waiting FOR?

--
Pete

[Dan Espen]

WTF are catchpennies?

having a cheap superficial attractiveness designed to encourage quick sales.
"the catchpenny world of commercial publishing"

Another BS comment.

--
Dan Espen

[Quadibloc]

It is true that the recent vaccines are mRNA vaccines, and thus work on
a somewhat different principle than the vaccines which preceded them.
This allowed them to be developed more rapidly in response to the COVID-19
pandemic, at the cost of their having to be stored and transported at colder
temperatures with greater difficulty.

However, they were still effective at keeping a lot of people from winding up
in hospitals on ventilators with a huge chance of dying. They're not "different"
in some way that makes them fakes or frauds.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:

> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
> doscredit genuine doubters.

I suppose that's possible. I have no way to tell if that is the case or not.

There _are_ actual people whose beliefs are similar to those expressed
by "Redneck". I know this because a bunch of them got on television on
the sixth of January of this year.

John Savard

[Voice of REASON]

FDA approval for the chickenpox vaccine took 20 years.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 21:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> > On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> > > I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
> > > described as witches or even warlocks.
>
> > The recent vaccines are completely different. They should be derided as
> > the catchpennies they are, to save genuine medicine and science.
>
> It is true that the recent vaccines are mRNA vaccines, and thus work on
> a somewhat different principle than the vaccines which preceded them.

The principle is largely the same, expose the immune system to
something safer that will train it to recognise and attack the dangerous
virus immediately. The only difference is that instead of training with a
whole virus that can do its own damage the training is done with an mRNA
fragment that is effectively a maximally denatured virus stripped down to
just the recognisable bit.

> This allowed them to be developed more rapidly in response to the COVID-19
> pandemic, at the cost of their having to be stored and transported at
> colder temperatures with greater difficulty.

Yes, largely because there was no need to find a way to make the
real virus safe.

> However, they were still effective at keeping a lot of people from
> winding up in hospitals on ventilators with a huge chance of dying.
> They're not "different" in some way that makes them fakes or frauds.

They're not even fundamentally different, just optimised. Think of
it as like the difference between using Excel to do arithmetic and coding
the sums in assembler.

[maus]

If I went to my vet and bought a vaccine from him, and injected into my
sheep/cattle/etc/rabbits, and they continued to suffer from the disease
that the vaccine was supposed to prevent, I would go back to the vet and
say, ``Where is my money, dude?.''

Even Dr. Fauchi admits now that it is all a waste of time.

[maus]

Put it better, the difference between Excel and Awk.

[maus]

On 2022-07-19, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
>> doscredit genuine doubters.
>
> I suppose that's possible. I have no way to tell if that is the case or not.

I came to that conclusion after noticing that some of the anti-vaxxers
here were so obnoxious.

>
> There _are_ actual people whose beliefs are similar to those expressed
> by "Redneck". I know this because a bunch of them got on television on
> the sixth of January of this year.
>
> John Savard

[Quadibloc]

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:47:56 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:

> FDA approval for the chickenpox vaccine took 20 years.

Well, we had lived with chicken pox for a long time, and it
wasn't *killing people*.

This new COVID-19 was killing many of the people it infected;
and those who had severe symptoms needed to be put on
ventilators at hospitals to have a chance of surviving - and
the hospitals were being overwhelmed.

So without a vaccine - quickly - thousands of people would
have died. So, yes, things were expedited because they had to
be. What part of "emergency use authorization" don't you understand?

John Savard

[Bud Spencer]

Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.

--
₪ BUD ₪

[D.J.]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:54:53 +0300, Bud Spencer <b...@campo.verano.it>

One of my relatives spent 5 weeks in the hospital due to covid. So it
is real. You can pretend all you want, but reality wont change.
--
Jim

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:54:53 +0300

Bud Spencer <b...@campo.verano.it> wrote:

> Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.

Two people I know well have had this imaginary disease, you are
talking out of the wrong end of your alimentary canal.

[maus]

On 2022-07-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:54:53 +0300
> Bud Spencer <b...@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>> Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.
>
> Two people I know well have had this imaginary disease, you are
> talking out of the wrong end of your alimentary canal.
>

Nobody sensible denies the existence of covid. It's a mild illness of
the lungs, as is flu and common cold. Combined with overweightness and
other problems, it can, and has, killed. The vaccine was rushed out as a
stopgap measure.

I was in hospital around the time in hit the headlines, and possibly got
it. Hospitals are full of sick people, naturally, and at that time, the
local hospitals also had lots of bedblockers, people not able to manage
at home, or had been sent to `retirement homes' and sent back, as
those places will not take contrary people. I had one old lady that used
to come to the end of the bed and scream at me, I dunno about what.

She used to do the same with the doctors, which was unwise. A lot of
those sort of people were cleared out to `retirement homes' when the
disease was recognized.

Children should be allowed play outside. Sure, they get sick, but they
recover and develop resistance, in a natural way. Lockdowns and masks
are stupid. Children need to see their Mother's smile, it gives them
confidence that will last them for life. I knew men that thought they
were tough, yet at the last, called for their Mothers.

[Dan Espen]

Wow, another full blown idiot says his piece.

Ever hear of long covid?
Mild illness my ass.
F-ing million people dead in the USA and we still have these a-holes
spouting their crap all to support that orange moron.

--
Dan Espen

[IIA]

On 7/19/22 12:27, Dan Espen wrote:

> Wow, another full blown idiot says his piece.
>
> Ever hear of long covid?
> Mild illness my ass.
> F-ing million people dead in the USA and we still have these a-holes
> spouting their crap all to support that orange moron.

How much does your IIA manager pay you to post your fake stories and
unfounded cultist bloviations?

Your perception management scheme is broken.

--

IIA

[Peter Flass]

It used to take a week to send a message from New York to San Francisco,
too. We’ve gotten better at things.

--
Pete

[Peter Flass]

It’s interesting that it’s always the people who spout the most outrageous
nonsense try to accuse someone who presents facts as spreading “fake news.”

--
Pete

[Charlie Gibbs]

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
-- Philip K. Dick

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

[Radey Shouman]

A waste of time (and money) is by no means the worst case.

I notice that you did not mention chickens in your list. Chickens are
subject to a herpes infection called Marek's disease. Since 1970 it has
been preventible by a vaccine, however the vaccine does not produce
sterilizing immunity, that is, even vaccinated birds may contract and
spread the disease. The result has been that Marek's disesase has
become much more virulent in unvaccinated birds. This may be a win for
vaccine producers, but it's not clear that it has been an improvement
for chicken farmers.

Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, diptheria, pertussis, &c
almost always produce sterilizing immunity, and thus prevent the
evolution of vaccine-adapted viruses. None of the covid vaccines are in
this class, and it remains to be seen whether the covid vaccination
drives were a deal with the devil. In any event the attempts to force
young and healthy adults to get the shots were and are both unethical
and ill-advised. The current US drive to inject babes in arms is simply
evil.

More on Marek's disease:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease

and references, eg:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses

[D.J.]

Much more likely, who pays you to post lies so people die ?
--
Jim

[Bud Spencer]

What ever your relative was hospitalised for wasn't covid.

--
₪ BUD ₪

[Bud Spencer]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:54:53 +0300
> Bud Spencer <b...@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>> Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.
>
> Two people I know well have had this imaginary disease, you are
> talking out of the wrong end of your alimentary canal.

Well ... I have had ALL the variants ... how do I know this? It's rather
simple ... I have not had any symptoms. Not a single one.

--
₪ BUD ₪

[maus]

All agreed, i did not mention chickens, as I would go on and on. One of
the cruelist things I see at the moment is chicken farms. They make
wonderful pets, and if allowed to peck around a garden, produce
wonderful eggs.

[Scott Lurndal]

Putin, of course. T, Frank, and the nymshifter are all russian
trolls sowing discord.

[D.J.]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 22:50:06 +0300, Bud Spencer <b...@campo.verano.it>

What ever thoughts you claim to have, you aint doing nothing.

--
Jim

[D.J.]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 21:20:54 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

He is wasting his money then. The trolls come across as silly.
--
Jim

[D.J.]

Chickens will peck each other to death as well. A speck of red on one,
all over for that one.
--
Jim

[Charlie Gibbs]

On 2022-07-19, D.J <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:

So does Trump. It works for him, though.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:27:35 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-07-19, D.J <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 21:20:54 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> Much more likely, who pays you to post lies so people die ?
> >>
> >> Putin, of course. T, Frank, and the nymshifter are all russian
> >> trolls sowing discord.
> >
> > He is wasting his money then. The trolls come across as silly.
>
> So does Trump. It works for him, though.

So does Boris Johnson, and it's just come unstuck for him.

[maus]

On 2022-07-19, D.J <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:

you can learn a lot by just looking at chickens. My daughters are
vegetarians. I point out that dogs, that cant read, just eat what they
like, which shows that being able to read makes you liable to be
exploited by nutters. Then why am I writing this?.

[Quadibloc]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:

> Nobody sensible denies the existence of covid. It's a mild illness of
> the lungs, as is flu and common cold. Combined with overweightness and
> other problems, it can, and has, killed.

That's... _close_ to the truth. Unless the mainstream news media has been
engaging in a systematic campain to distort the truth, however, it is not
quite accurate.

Absent previous vaccinations against COVID-19, it has a significant chance
of causing serious, long-lasting disabilities even in young and healthy people.
Loss of the sense of smell, difficulty breathing, difficulty thinking and
concentrating.

It also has a significant chance of killing even young and healthy people.

Combined with overweight or other problems, it is likely to produce serious
symptoms that will require a period of hospitalization, involving being connected
to a ventilator. And this can happen to the young and healthy as well.

Some places, like Italy, at least for a time, _failed_ to avoid what we narrowly
did avoid, thanks to masking, lockdowns, and the vaccine: hospitals so overloaded
that people who needed treatment with a ventilator couldn't get it, leading to
COVID-19 killing a significantly greater proportion of those who were infected.

Even here, our hospitals were so overloaded that because discretionary
surgeries had to be put off, many people ended up dying from cancer who
could have been saved had the pandemic not happened, so that they would
have received treatment in time.

And it's not over yet. Because the disease has been allowed to spread more than
it would have with more conscientious observance of public health measures,
new variants have emerged which can evade the vaccines that are currently
available. By this fall, we could easily be in a situation similar to that of the
earlier part of the pandemic.

And things could be _very_ bad this time, specifically because right-wing
political elements have created an organized opposition to public-health
measures to deal with the ongoing pandemic. By the time they're dramatically
proven wrong by events, it will be... not "too late", since the extinction of
the human race isn't at issue, but later than it should have been - and indeed
too late to have prevented a great many needless deaths.

And as far as I'm concerned, the preventable death of one innocent human
being is too many.

And from _that_, one can infer other things about my political beliefs.

I wish that Russia's nuclear weapons could all disapear, so that Putin could be
punished severely enough... that until the end of time, no other person would
start a war of aggression - all future Hitlers and Mussolinis would remember what
Putin suffered, and be stopped from their evil plans by sheer terror of their
likely eventual fate.

Unfortunately, though, one can't really prevent all crime at no cost to the innocent
through deterrence. Many criminals believe they won't get caught. Many criminals
are impulsive or irrational or in the grip of uncontrolled emotion.

So my view is that the world should be made a safe place for the ordinary people
who work hard to make a good life for themselves, and those who try to make
trouble - those who try to live by stealing from others - are to be prevented from
getting in the way of that, as effectively as possible. And at as little expense to
the innocent as possible.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-6, Radey Shouman wrote:
> The current US drive to inject babes in arms is simply
> evil.

Although current vaccines do not perfectly prevent transmission,
they do reduce it.
It is true that younger children are less likely to develop serious
symptoms from COVID-19 infection. But they may transmit it to
their parents.
And if the chance of transmission is cut in half from one person to
the next, then it's cut to 1/8th from one person to another and another
and another. This is why it's so important to get nearly everyone
vaccinated, because then even a vaccine that has limited effectiveness
in reducing transmission can still eliminate the disease completely.

John Savard

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 20 Jul 2022 06:05:39 GMT

maus <ma...@dmaus.org> wrote:

> you can learn a lot by just looking at chickens. My daughters are
> vegetarians. I point out that dogs, that cant read, just eat what they
> like, which shows that being able to read makes you liable to be
> exploited by nutters. Then why am I writing this?.

How does being vegetarian connect with being exploited by nutters ?
For the most part (ignoring the expensive, highly processed, imitation meat
products) a vegetarian diet is cheaper and less subject to marketing than
meat. It would be easier (if rather silly) to make a case that meat eaters
are being exploited by dangerous nutters who like killing animals.

Truth is some people like eating meat, some don't and some have
moral objections to it. Each to their own, it's a personal matter IMHO.

[maus]

My point was that being able to read is really opening up your mind to
opinions that one would never think of if one could not read. I am
trying to work that out myself. Look at the libraries full of books
about things that nobody worries about nowadays, such as how many angels
can fit on the top of a needle?

The Bible, for instance, is full of imaginary history. after the rosetta
stone was tanslated, we really know the nobody in ancient times ever
heard of King david or king Solomon. We do know that Sheba (Saba)
existed. The Germans had an Idea that god had chosen them as a super
race, all of which was built out of the resemblence between Hindi and
Welsh, which nobody seems to understand.

Rant, Rant, into the darkness.

[Peter Flass]

On the other hand, if the deaths are largely among the unvaccinated, well,
they made their choice.

>
> And as far as I'm concerned, the preventable death of one innocent human
> being is too many.
>
> And from _that_, one can infer other things about my political beliefs.
>
> I wish that Russia's nuclear weapons could all disapear, so that Putin could be
> punished severely enough... that until the end of time, no other person would
> start a war of aggression - all future Hitlers and Mussolinis would remember what
> Putin suffered, and be stopped from their evil plans by sheer terror of their
> likely eventual fate.

I don’t believe we should let Putin scare us with nukes, because he knows
things would be a lot worse for him than for us. I think we still have the
“no first use” doctrine, and he knows it, but, given the wonderful
performance of his army to date, we wouldn’t need them anyhow.

This war is turning into a disaster for the world, not only the horrendous
death rate in Ukraine, but fuel and food shortages, all caused by the
nut-job in the Kremlin. My feeling is that we should do whatever we have to
do to end it NOW, and send Putin’s cannon fodder back to Russia with their
tails between their legs before winter.

Sorry for the OT rant.

--
Pete