Catchy _Domain_ Names
Andrew Valencia
>who has catchy domain names? I saw iconz.co.nz, and if they'd tried
>for and got `i', they'd have had i.co.nz -- which would be neat.
Not so catchy, but let this be a warning. Don't pick a domain name which
matches a country suffix. I helped some folks get "fi.com" on the net, and
they are forever receiving misrouted stuff for Finland.
FWIW,
Andy
Kevin Beauchamp
: FWIW,
: Andy
I picked up a copy of the RFC (1178?) about picking a name for your
computer. It covers not choosing a name that is the same as a domain,
particularly a popular one. I suppose that this advice can be applied
at any level of the network hierarchy for the sake of clarity.
kmb
Paul Tomblin
>who has catchy domain names? I saw iconz.co.nz, and if they'd tried
>for and got `i', they'd have had i.co.nz -- which would be neat.
One of the usenet/internet providers in Cleveland, Zbig (I forget his last
name and I forget to enter his business card in my PEO) just registered
SUCKS.COM. And he's selling subdomains for cheap. I think life.sucks.com is
gone, and probably school.sucks.com. Anybody want aol.sucks.com?
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Karl A. Krueger
Kevin Beauchamp <kbea...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>Andrew Valencia (van...@cisco.com) wrote:
>: Not so catchy, but let this be a warning. Don't pick a domain name which
>: matches a country suffix. I helped some folks get "fi.com" on the net, and
>: they are forever receiving misrouted stuff for Finland.
>
>computer. It covers not choosing a name that is the same as a domain,
>particularly a popular one. I suppose that this advice can be applied
>at any level of the network hierarchy for the sake of clarity.
The reason is that to the British fi.com looks like com.fi. (British
hierarchy names are "backwards" to the rest of the world -- they're
shaped like USENET newsgroup names, with the most generic part at the
left ... "f...@uk.britsite.box" is the British spelling of
"f...@box.britsite.uk".) I believe New Zealand also uses this notation;
does anyone else?
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Greg Limes
> who has catchy domain names? I saw iconz.co.nz, and if they'd tried
> for and got `i', they'd have had i.co.nz -- which would be neat.
Doesn't UUNET have ".uu.net"?
Too bad netcom isn't ".net.com" ... ;-)
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: The reason is that to the British fi.com looks like com.fi. (British
: hierarchy names are "backwards" to the rest of the world -- they're
: shaped like USENET newsgroup names, with the most generic part at the
: left ... "f...@uk.britsite.box" is the British spelling of
: "f...@box.britsite.uk".)
JANET artifact.
: I believe New Zealand also uses this notation;
: does anyone else?
NZ does not. I don't think that anyoneelse does either.
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Geoffrey DeWan
: shaped like USENET newsgroup names, with the most generic part at the
: left ... "f...@uk.britsite.box" is the British spelling of
: "f...@box.britsite.uk".) I believe New Zealand also uses this notation;
: does anyone else?
Any correlation between this and what side of the road you drive on?
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Greebo
: shaped like USENET newsgroup names, with the most generic part at the
: left ... "f...@uk.britsite.box" is the British spelling of
: "f...@box.britsite.uk".) I believe New Zealand also uses this notation;
: does anyone else?
This used to be true in the (*spit*) days of the old X25 Janet
net. I would quote my site as uk.ac.staffs; mail to the US
would have to go by relay (uk.ac.nsfnet-relay), mail to Europe
via the Cern gateway (I think)..
FTP was done via relay too. We'd PAD across (none of this
newfangled TELNET :-) to the relay, drag the stuff onto this
machine in London, then initiate a Transfer (not FTP, transfer)
using the Coloured Book Protocols to get the thing into
my account.
Ah -- them were the days!
Now most sites are (or will soon be) connected to the 34Mb/s
SuperJANET backbone with BT's SMDS lines, we are all in
Internet order now. staffs.ac.uk is my correct fully qualified
site name.
I personaly haven't come across any UK 'net name which is
in JANET order (ie reversed).
O&OE
John
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Juergen Nickelsen
(Steve Thomas) writes:
> In the absence of systems doing it the other way, ordering of addresses is
> clearly irrelevant. JANET researched prior art, observed there was none,
> and picked one way. The ordering the rest of the world uses came later.
I agree -- consequently the Internet should also have researched prior
art, found, and then adopted, the JANET way.
But the JANET addressing in inconsequent in itself: The domain part is
big endian, but the least significant component (the username) is
pasted in front of it. To that I would prefer a complete big-endian
style like `de.tu-berlin.prz@nickel' (for my own address). This also
reminds me of the bang paths, which *is* some kind of prior art.
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Russell Schulz
rus...@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:
> who has catchy domain names?
of course, there's the Texas Higher Education Network (the.net). but
I just checked, and I guess I won't get my Christmas present after all:
theb.org is already taken :-(
alas. I was hoping for: r u s s e l l @ t h e b.o r g
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: Karl A. Krueger (ka...@plato.simons-rock.edu) wrote:
: >The reason is that to the British fi.com looks like com.fi. (British
: >hierarchy names are "backwards" to the rest of the world -- they're
: >shaped like USENET newsgroup names, with the most generic part at the
: >left ... "f...@uk.britsite.box" is the British spelling of
: >"f...@box.britsite.uk".) I believe New Zealand also uses this notation;
: >does anyone else?
: Wrongo! New Zealand does not and has never done it this way - we're not
: *that* silly!
Oh no? And what about the dial on your telephone ? :-)
Mike.
Martin Hay
> Karl A. Krueger (ka...@plato.simons-rock.edu) wrote:
>
> >hierarchy names are "backwards" to the rest of the world -- they're
> >shaped like USENET newsgroup names, with the most generic part at the
> >left ... "f...@uk.britsite.box" is the British spelling of
> >"f...@box.britsite.uk".) I believe New Zealand also uses this notation;
> >does anyone else?
>
> *that* silly!
>
heirarchy names. I, for example, am cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk. I've never
used the reverse, and in fact don't like the reverse. I prefer it this
way, as it acts much more like a postal address.
Cheerio,
Martin.
Gary Barnes
Oh I dunno, these young whippersnappers who don't remember
the days of JANET, before we had even heard of the Internet,
like four years ago, when I started University!
True, nowadays almost all uk addresses are the right way round,
but that's only cos we've moved over to SMTP etc, and sites
are abandoning greybook mail in droves.
Gaz (Formerly g...@uk.ac.salf.a)
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William Turner
>The reason is that to the British fi.com looks like com.fi. (British
>hierarchy names are "backwards" to the rest of the world -- they're
>shaped like USENET newsgroup names, with the most generic part at the
>left ... "f...@uk.britsite.box" is the British spelling of
>"f...@box.britsite.uk".) I believe New Zealand also uses this notation;
>does anyone else?
This is only true of academic 'JANET' sites in the UK. All other sites,
such as companies, service providers demon and pipex use addresses of
the form box.site.uk. Companies generally have .co.uk at the end,
like we do :-)
William
BTW: Most JANET sites can cope with their address either way around, so you
should be ok using the form f...@box.britsite.uk
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Dik T. Winter
> >Oh no? And what about the dial on your telephone ? :-)
>
> got it wrong.
Wrong. Oslo had it that way too (not the remainder of Norway, Oslo only).
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Lesley Walker
We're the only ones who got that right - it's the rest of the world that
got it wrong. Fortunately you all fell into step when DTMF dialling came
along. :^)
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Mike Knell
>In article <CyyDA...@cee.hw.ac.uk>, Martin Hay <cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk> wrote:
>:In article <39cq83$n...@southern.co.nz>, Ge...@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff McCaughan) writes:
>:> Karl A. Krueger (ka...@plato.simons-rock.edu) wrote:
>:> >does anyone else?
>:>
>:> Wrongo! New Zealand does not and has never done it this way - we're not
>:> *that* silly!
'The Matrix' or any of a number of similiar listings-of-interesting-networks
books. New Zealand used to use Greybook addresses, basically because they
borrowed the protocols from JANET..
Pedant mode *on*
Terminology: Big-endian == uk.ac.somesite.foovax
World order == foovax.somesite.ac.uk.
>:Wrongo as well! I've seen very few UK Email addresses with reversed
>:heirarchy names. I, for example, am cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk. I've never
>:used the reverse, and in fact don't like the reverse. I prefer it this
>:way, as it acts much more like a postal address.
Historical. See below. Of course, big-endian addresses look like Russian
postal addresses (ISTR they write it backwards -- y'know, Russia, Moscow,
233 Gorky Park Road, Vladimir Alexandrovich. I've always thought that looked
easier to parse.. *grin*)
>Oh I dunno, these young whippersnappers who don't remember
>the days of JANET, before we had even heard of the Internet,
>like four years ago, when I started University!
Right. Historical perspective time.. This is alt.folklore.computers after
all..
The original UK academic network, JANET, which is still going, used domain
addressing _before_ the Internet did. OK? So they could choose whatever damn
way they wanted to form the addresses. So they chose the other way around
from what the rest of the world eventually adopted, and _all_ mail between
the JANET Greybook and the TCP/IP/SMTP world has been in world order since
the year dot. (since the root year? Weird.. :-) ) It's just that broken
gateways didn't do the addressing, and people on JANET advertised their
addresses to the Internet at large as uk.ac.whatever.nowhere and people on
the Internet, not knowing any better, used that address and sent the mail
off to a black hole (Czechoslovakia, from what I remember, given that most
universities in the UK use cs. as the computer science subdomain [1] ).
With JANET now moving over to be JIPS (the JANET IP Service) and the new
networks coming onstream (the zippy-fast FDDI IP-only SuperJANET) world
order addresses are becoming the norm, rather than only used for
communication with the world outside JANET. Remember, folks, JANET was _not_
originally an IP-based network. It's like complaining that BITNET uses the
'wrong' addressing -- it's historical. What you think is wrong ain't
necessarily what the rest of the world thinks is wrong.
Sheesh. Phew. (pedant mode off)
It may interest you to know that big-endian addressing and greybook mail are
now deprecated on JANET, and have been since the beginning of this year. Any
remaining greybook should transfer to world order soonest.
-- mpK.
[1] -- Of course, this cannot happen any more. Sometimes I wonder if the
breakup of Czechoslovakia was in fact engineered by disgruntled
systems administrators to make mail routing easier..
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Sean Goller
: (how did this Subject: mutate in a discussion of Janet?)
: rus...@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:
: > who has catchy domain names?
: of course, there's the Texas Higher Education Network (the.net). but
: I just checked, and I guess I won't get my Christmas present after all:
: theb.org is already taken :-(
: alas. I was hoping for: r u s s e l l @ t h e b.o r g
A friend of mine locally has a nice one: evo.org.
Some suggested hostnames were:
get.into.the.evo.org (for you madonna fans)
y.evo.org
ni.evo.org
and the like ;)
-Sean Goller
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Stano Meduna
: gateways didn't do the addressing, and people on JANET advertised their
: addresses to the Internet at large as uk.ac.whatever.nowhere and people on
: the Internet, not knowing any better, used that address and sent the mail
: off to a black hole (Czechoslovakia, from what I remember, given that most
: universities in the UK use cs. as the computer science subdomain [1] ).
: ...
: [1] -- Of course, this cannot happen any more. Sometimes I wonder if the
: breakup of Czechoslovakia was in fact engineered by disgruntled
: systems administrators to make mail routing easier..
:-) I am one of the administrators who participated in starting
EUnet in (former) Czechoslovakia. We had one 1200 Bd modem and
we dialed EUnet backbone in Amsterdam several times daily. This
backward adressing was very annoying, as the calls were
very expensive and such mail bounced and travelled the line twice.
If I remember things correctly, Amsterdam helped us and checked
destination addresses in .cs at their level.
At the time of C-S split things were quite stable. We surely
didn't want the split, as the backbone was located in Slovakia
and now our market is 1/3 :-(
Regards
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Peter da Silva
Mike Knell <m...@frink.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Historical. See below. Of course, big-endian addresses look like Russian
>postal addresses (ISTR they write it backwards -- y'know, Russia, Moscow,
>233 Gorky Park Road, Vladimir Alexandrovich. I've always thought that looked
>easier to parse.. *grin*)
Isn't that mixed-endian? Bigendian would be:
Russia, Moscow, Gorky Park Road, 233, Vladimir Alexandrovich.
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>In article <1994Nov10....@frink.demon.co.uk>,
>Mike Knell <m...@frink.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Historical. See below. Of course, big-endian addresses look like Russian
>>postal addresses (ISTR they write it backwards -- y'know, Russia, Moscow,
>>233 Gorky Park Road, Vladimir Alexandrovich. I've always thought that looked
>>easier to parse.. *grin*)
>Isn't that mixed-endian? Bigendian would be:
>Russia, Moscow, Gorky Park Road, 233, Vladimir Alexandrovich.
Isn't that mixed-endian? Bigendian would be:
Russia, Moscow, Gorky Park Road, 233, Alexandrovich, Vladimir.
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Edward Rice
> Isn't that mixed-endian? Bigendian would be:
>
> Russia, Moscow, Gorky Park Road, 233, Vladimir Alexandrovich.
>
KJ> Isn't that mixed-endian? Bigendian would be:
KJ>
KJ> Russia, Moscow, Gorky Park Road, 233, Alexandrovich, Vladimir. --
Nope, because there are a lot of Vladimirs (it's more general), but relatively
few who are the son of Alexandr (making it more specific). Now, if the
person's name was V. A. Gorkii, it would be correct to address the letter to:
... Gorkii, V. A.
Paul Menage
But surely by the same argument holds the other way - there are plenty
of people whose father is called Alexandr, but only a few are called
Vladmir.
Paul
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