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Quadibloc
infringement?
Probably not, even though Microway is said to be going to exhibit, in
Portland, Oregon at booth 434 at SC09, a computer it calls the
"OctoPuter". Having two quad-core Intel processors, and space for up
to eight Nvidia Tesla cards, it will be a powerful desktop machine.
But as we all know, the "Octoputer" was RCA's name for the Spectra
70/46.
John Savard
Mensanator
Maybe they should call it the "Octopussy"?
Might help sales.
>
> John Savard
Quadibloc
> Maybe they should call it the "Octopussy"?
> Might help sales.
Funny you should mention that. Some right-wing gold newsletter, I just
heard, has Clinton outdoing Hitler (10% lead) by putting fake tungsten
"gold bricks" in Fort Knox that were only gold-plated.
John Savard
Mensanator
I found the fictional town in Germany used in Octopussy
particularly funny. Two common suffixes, -feld (field)
and -stadt (city) were combined to make the name Feldstadt.
I'm guessing the thought was that that wouldn't match any
actual name.
Ny father's name was Stadtfeld.
>
> John Savard
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Funny you should mention that. Some right-wing gold newsletter, I just
> heard, has Clinton outdoing Hitler (10% lead) by putting fake tungsten
> "gold bricks" in Fort Knox that were only gold-plated.
During WW II the Manhattan Eng District needed huge amounts of wiring
for its calutrons at Oak Ridge but copper wasn't available. They
'borrowed' silver (which is a great wire material) from the US
Treasury and used that. The silver never left the books. It took a
long time before it was recovered out of the units and returned to the
US Treasury. They claimed only a miniscule percentage was lost;
virtually all of it was returned.
I hope the silver wasn't irradated in the process, though I don't
think tne calutrons had much exposure. (The other processing was
nastier).
Computer ref: The MED used tab machines as a poor man's computer,
creating home-made interconnections between the machines to expedite
processing. Feymann was quite good at that sort of thing.
Mensanator
> On Nov 14, 12:58 pm, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> > Funny you should mention that. Some right-wing gold newsletter, I just
> > heard, has Clinton outdoing Hitler (10% lead) by putting fake tungsten
> > "gold bricks" in Fort Knox that were only gold-plated.
>
> During WW II the Manhattan Eng District needed huge amounts of wiring
> for its calutrons at Oak Ridge but copper wasn't available. They
> 'borrowed' silver (which is a great wire material) from the US
> Treasury and used that. The silver never left the books. It took a
> long time before it was recovered out of the units and returned to the
> US Treasury. They claimed only a miniscule percentage was lost;
> virtually all of it was returned.
>
> I hope the silver wasn't irradated in the process, though I don't
> think tne calutrons had much exposure. (The other processing was
> nastier).
I don't think silver holds radiation very long. I heard a
story that at some science exhibit (back when coins contained
silver) that there was an an exhibit where you could insert
a dime and it would come back after having been irradiated,
which you could verify by holding it up to a geiger counter.
You would think that was safe, but then again, shoe salesmen
used to use x-ray machines in an unsafe manner.
grey...@mail.com
>
> I hope the silver wasn't irradated in the process, though I don't
> think tne calutrons had much exposure. (The other processing was
> nastier).
>
> Computer ref: The MED used tab machines as a poor man's computer,
> creating home-made interconnections between the machines to expedite
> processing. Feymann was quite good at that sort of thing.
>
>
Fleming, the James Bond man, in one of the books claimed that the
Nazis diluted their gold reserve before the war by adding tungsten,
and that their gold, even after it had been re-ingotted, could be
identified in that way. Its been a while since I read a James Bond
book, so details may be wrong. Fleming worked in the British
intellegence services during the war, so he should know.
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Quadibloc
> Computer ref: The MED used tab machines as a poor man's computer,
> creating home-made interconnections between the machines to expedite
> processing. Feymann was quite good at that sort of thing.
This was before Northrop Aviation did somewhat the same thing after
the war, which led to the Card Programmed Calculator from IBM.
John Savard
Walter Bushell
<17e5c296-2afc-46ba...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Mensanator <mensa...@aol.com> wrote:
> You would think that was safe, but then again, shoe salesmen
> used to use x-ray machines in an unsafe manner.
I remember using one of those to view the bones in my feet in real time.
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Patrick Scheible
Test of a conspiracy theory: How many people would have to know about
it for it to accomplish the plan, and how likely is it that they would
all keep quiet about it? In the case of tungsten for gold bricks, A)
a lot, and B) practically nil.
-- Patrick
Dave Griffith
How does that work? I thought that tungsten would be easily detectable
given its hardness.
--
David Griffith
dgr...@cs.csbuak.edu <-- Switch the 'b' and 'u'
Mensanator
> greyma...@mail.com wrote:
> > On 2009-11-15, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>
> >> I hope the silver wasn't irradated in the process, though I don't
> >> think tne calutrons had much exposure. (The other processing was
> >> nastier).
>
> >> Computer ref: The MED used tab machines as a poor man's computer,
> >> creating home-made interconnections between the machines to expedite
> >> processing. Feymann was quite good at that sort of thing.
> > Fleming, the James Bond man, in one of the books claimed that the
> > Nazis diluted their gold reserve before the war by adding tungsten,
> > and that their gold, even after it had been re-ingotted, could be
> > identified in that way. Its been a while since I read a James Bond
> > book, so details may be wrong. Fleming worked in the British
> > intellegence services during the war, so he should know.
>
> How does that work?
It doesn't.
> I thought that tungsten would be easily detectable
> given its hardness.
Usually, specific gravity gives it away, no one has fallen for
that trick since Achimedes.
But the point is moot as, since we are off the gold standard,
you can no longer go to the treasury and demand gold for your
paper dollars, so no one will ever notice the difference.
There probably isn't even any actual gold in Ft. Knox anyway.
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgri...@cs.csbuak.edu <-- Switch the 'b' and 'u'- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Patrick Scheible
> On Nov 17, 10:39=A0pm, dgri...@cs.csbuak.edu (Dave Griffith) wrote:
> > greyma...@mail.com wrote:
> > > On 2009-11-15, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> I hope the silver wasn't irradated in the process, though I don't
> > >> think tne calutrons had much exposure. =A0(The other processing was
> > >> nastier).
> >
> > >> Computer ref: =A0The MED used tab machines as a poor man's computer,
> > >> creating home-made interconnections between the machines to expedite
> > >> processing. =A0Feymann was quite good at that sort of thing.
> > > Fleming, the James Bond man, in one of the books claimed that the
> > > Nazis diluted their gold reserve before the war by adding tungsten,
> > > and that their gold, even after it had been re-ingotted, could be
> > > identified in that way. Its been a while since I read a James Bond
> > > book, so details may be wrong. Fleming worked in the British
> > > intellegence services during the war, so he should know.
> >
> > How does that work? =A0
>
> It doesn't.
>
> > I thought that tungsten would be easily detectable
> > given its hardness.
>
> Usually, specific gravity gives it away, no one has fallen for
> that trick since Achimedes.
Tungsten is pretty damn close in density to gold. Put a layer of gold
around your tungsten bar and maybe no one would notice for a long
time. Unless they tested its conductivity or measured its density with
an exact scale.
The plot falls down with how many people would know about
manufacturing the tungsten/gold bars, swapping them for real gold
in Ft. Knox, melting down the gold bars, and selling it without any
traces.
That's how they found the 1933 double eagles.
> But the point is moot as, since we are off the gold standard,
> you can no longer go to the treasury and demand gold for your
> paper dollars, so no one will ever notice the difference.
Until the mint decides to coin some of it for a noncirculating legal
tender coin issue.
-- Patrick
grey...@mail.com
AFAIK, and I have never had contact with tungsten/wolfram in pure
form[1], the idea of tungsten in tungsten-carbide tools is to stop the
carbide shattering.
[1] Except a distant relative owned a wolfram mine in Australia during
WWII, which was taken over as a `state asset' or similiar, and the
top rate of Australian tax meant that when he died, virtually
nothing was left. _That_ was a war situation.
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Morten Reistad
Gold analysis (and refining) by dissolving it in the right acids, and
then reduce the solution; either through electrolysis, adding a more
electropositive ion to replace the gold, or other methods were known
from the late 19th century; and these can determine the concentration
of gold (and silver) with around 4 digits in pretty simple conditions.
In gymnasium chemistry were were taught how to recover silver from
photchemicals the same way; and determine the concentration.
-- mrr
Mensanator
What makes you think those coins are real?
Since they sell for more than the gold is worth, no one
will destroy their investment by testing one.
>
> -- Patrick
Patrick Scheible
> On Nov 18, 12:32=A0am, Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote:
> > Mensanator <mensana...@aol.com> writes:
> > > On Nov 17, 10:39=3DA0pm, dgri...@cs.csbuak.edu (Dave Griffith) wrote:
> > > > greyma...@mail.com wrote:
> > > > > On 2009-11-15, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> I hope the silver wasn't irradated in the process, though I don't
> > > > >> think tne calutrons had much exposure. =3DA0(The other processing =
> was
> > > > >> nastier).
> >
> > > > >> Computer ref: =3DA0The MED used tab machines as a poor man's compu=
> ter,
> > > > >> creating home-made interconnections between the machines to expedi=
> te
> > > > >> processing. =3DA0Feymann was quite good at that sort of thing.
> > > > > Fleming, the James Bond man, in one of the books claimed that the
> > > > > Nazis diluted their gold reserve before the war by adding tungsten,
> > > > > and that their gold, even after it had been re-ingotted, could be
> > > > > identified in that way. Its been a while since I read a James Bond
> > > > > book, so details may be wrong. Fleming worked in the British
> > > > > intellegence services during the war, so he should know.
> >
> > > > How does that work? =3DA0
> >
> > > It doesn't.
> >
> > > > I thought that tungsten would be easily detectable
> > > > given its hardness.
> >
> > > Usually, specific gravity gives it away, no one has fallen for
> > > that trick since Achimedes.
> >
> > Tungsten is pretty damn close in density to gold. =A0Put a layer of gold
> > around your tungsten bar and maybe no one would notice for a long
> > time. =A0Unless they tested its conductivity or measured its density with
> > an exact scale.
> >
> > The plot falls down with how many people would know about
> > manufacturing the tungsten/gold bars, swapping them for real gold
> > in Ft. Knox, melting down the gold bars, and selling it without any
> > traces.
> >
> > That's how they found the 1933 double eagles.
> >
> > > But the point is moot as, since we are off the gold standard,
> > > you can no longer go to the treasury and demand gold for your
> > > paper dollars, so no one will ever notice the difference.
> >
> > Until the mint decides to coin some of it for a noncirculating legal
> > tender coin issue.
>
> What makes you think those coins are real?
>
> Since they sell for more than the gold is worth, no one
> will destroy their investment by testing one.
It doesn't have to be a destructive test. Density, weight, and
electrical conductivity should do it.
-- Patrick
grey...@mail.com
There are ways to test, without destroying the coin. (for instance,
weighing it with exactitude, and finding the specific gravity)(most
gold for any sort of circulation will have some sort of hardening
element added.)
--
greymaus
.
.
...
Walter Bushell
Morten Reistad
Mensanator <mensa...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Nov 18, 12:32�am, Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote:
>> Mensanator <mensana...@aol.com> writes:
>> > On Nov 17, 10:39=A0pm, dgri...@cs.csbuak.edu (Dave Griffith) wrote:
>> > > greyma...@mail.com wrote:
>> > > > On 2009-11-15, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > >> I hope the silver wasn't irradated in the process, though I don't
>> > > >> think tne calutrons had much exposure. =A0(The other processing was
>> > > >> nastier).
.. snip .. nazi gold diluted with tungsten
>> > > I thought that tungsten would be easily detectable
>> > > given its hardness.
>>
>> > Usually, specific gravity gives it away, no one has fallen for
>> > that trick since Achimedes.
>>
>> Tungsten is pretty damn close in density to gold. �Put a layer of gold
>> around your tungsten bar and maybe no one would notice for a long
>> time. �Unless they tested its conductivity or measured its density with
>> an exact scale.
.. snip ..
>What makes you think those coins are real?
>
>Since they sell for more than the gold is worth, no one
>will destroy their investment by testing one.
You could do the Rutherford experiment on such a gold coin.
Put in front of a proton beam, watch scattering.
Should only contaminate the sample slightly. as in needing
a somewhat sensible geiger counter to detect.
-- mrr
And then we are back to "I hope none of that gold was contaminated."
Eugene Miya
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
I just came from Fort Knox.
Is W more valuable than Au?
I got 4 different sized bullion bars.
As well as postcards....
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> I just came from Fort Knox.
> Is W more valuable than Au?
No, much less so. But Os is more valuable, which leaves out getting
the weight right, IIRC.
John Savard
Morten Reistad
At $26/kilogram?
The price ratios of gold:silver:tungsten:copper:steel are quite stable
at 50:20:5:8:1, or the old rule of thumb for gold:silver:copper 50:100:1
-- mrr
Walter Bushell
Morten Reistad <fi...@last.name> wrote:
Silver is twice the cost of silver????
Walter Bushell
Silver is twice the cost of silver????
I meant to say "Siver is 2 times the price of gold."
But the above has silver at 5 times the price of silver.
Walter Bushell
Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <mfprt6-...@laptop.reistad.name>,
> Morten Reistad <fi...@last.name> wrote:
>
> > In article <4b0b04f1$1@darkstar>, Eugene Miya <eug...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
> > >In article
> > ><7c8392f1-1bb3-4c7f...@y32g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> > >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > >>On Nov 14, 8:41=A0am, Mensanator <mensana...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >>> Maybe they should call it the "Octopussy"?
> > >>> Might help sales.
> > >>
> > >>Funny you should mention that. Some right-wing gold newsletter, I just
> > >>heard, has Clinton outdoing Hitler (10% lead) by putting fake tungsten
> > >>"gold bricks" in Fort Knox that were only gold-plated.
> > >
> > >I just came from Fort Knox.
> > >Is W more valuable than Au?
> > >I got 4 different sized bullion bars.
> > >As well as postcards....
> >
> > At $26/kilogram?
> >
> > The price ratios of gold:silver:tungsten:copper:steel are quite stable
> > at 50:20:5:8:1, or the old rule of thumb for gold:silver:copper 50:100:1
> >
> > -- mrr
>
For where supersede is not honored.
Silver is twice the cost of silver????
I meant to say "Siver is 2 times the price of gold."
But the above has silver at 5 times the price of silver.
--
William Hamblen
wrote:
>The price ratios of gold:silver:tungsten:copper:steel are quite stable
>at 50:20:5:8:1, or the old rule of thumb for gold:silver:copper 50:100:1
During the 19th century the US had a period of bimetallism when the
ratio of silver to gold was 16 ounces silver to 1 ounce gold. This
greatly overvalued silver. When the US Treasury stopped buying silver
the price fell and it caused a panic in silver mining. During the
Depression the price of silver fell to about twenty-five cents an
ounce, which I think was an historic minimum. Silver has yet to hit
the peak it had when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the market 30
years ago.
As of November 23, 2009, Gold is $1,164 per troy ounce, silver is $19
per troy ounce and copper is $3.13 per pound (avdp.). This makes a
troy ounce of copper 21 cents. The price ratios become 1:61:90,
roughly.
Bud
Walter Bushell
William Hamblen <william...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> As of November 23, 2009, Gold is $1,164 per troy ounce, silver is $19
> per troy ounce and copper is $3.13 per pound (avdp.). This makes a
> troy ounce of copper 21 cents. The price ratios become 1:61:90,
> roughly.
Your ratios are the multiplicative inverse of what I expected.
Charles Richmond
If I can't get enough "O", all the "Au" in the universe is *not*
going to help me... ;-)
Like the Red Cross ad asking for blood donation:
"Blood is like a parachute:
If you ever needed it and did *not* have it, you will *never* need
it again."
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ArarghMai...@not.at.arargh.com
<fri...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 2:56 pm, eug...@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) wrote:
>>
>>> I just came from Fort Knox.
>>> Is W more valuable than Au?
>>
>> No, much less so. But Os is more valuable, which leaves out getting
>> the weight right, IIRC.
>>
>
>If I can't get enough "O", all the "Au" in the universe is *not*
>going to help me... ;-)
"Os" is the symbol for Osmium and is more valuable than Gold.
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> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:12:25 -0600, Charles Richmond
> <fri...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Quadibloc wrote:
> >> On Nov 23, 2:56 pm, eug...@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just came from Fort Knox.
> >>> Is W more valuable than Au?
> >>
> >> No, much less so. But Os is more valuable, which leaves out getting
> >> the weight right, IIRC.
> >>
> >
> >If I can't get enough "O", all the "Au" in the universe is *not*
> >going to help me... ;-)
> "Os" is the symbol for Osmium and is more valuable than Gold.
At current supply and demand levels, yes. However, if the supply of
gold doubled it would still be precious; if the supply of Osmium
doubled it would satisfy all demand and would be much less valuable.
-- Patrick
Quadibloc
wrote:
> During the 19th century the US had a period of bimetallism when the
> ratio of silver to gold was 16 ounces silver to 1 ounce gold. This
> greatly overvalued silver. When the US Treasury stopped buying silver
> the price fell and it caused a panic in silver mining. During the
> Depression the price of silver fell to about twenty-five cents an
> ounce, which I think was an historic minimum. Silver has yet to hit
> the peak it had when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the market 30
> years ago.
>
> As of November 23, 2009, Gold is $1,164 per troy ounce, silver is $19
> per troy ounce and copper is $3.13 per pound (avdp.). This makes a
> troy ounce of copper 21 cents. The price ratios become 1:61:90,
> roughly.
Historically, going back to ancient times, the ratio of the price of
gold to that of silver had hovered around 1 to 16. Because gold is
denser than silver, the ration of the prices of those two metals by
volume was therefore roughly 1:25, making it possible for coins of
similar size in the two metals to have related values.
I suppose that digital photography has helped to reduce the demand for
silver... just as the increased popularity of instant photography,
which didn't allow the recovery of silver, due to the style of film
for the Polaroid SX70 camera, increased the demand for silver.
Now, it seems I only hear of silver being used in various
antibacterial compounds.
John Savard
Morten Reistad
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 9:13�pm, William Hamblen <william.hamb...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>I suppose that digital photography has helped to reduce the demand for
>silver... just as the increased popularity of instant photography,
>which didn't allow the recovery of silver, due to the style of film
>for the Polaroid SX70 camera, increased the demand for silver.
>
>Now, it seems I only hear of silver being used in various
>antibacterial compounds.
My recently deceased uncle Thomas Reistad was one of those who
(re-)proved the antibacterial properties of silver. This was
his doctoral dissertation as a dr med, in the early 1950s.
The combination of silver and acid wine has been an effective
antibacterial agent for the Christian communion.
-- mrr
Quadibloc
> The combination of silver and acid wine has been an effective
> antibacterial agent for the Christian communion.
This is a *really* amazing coincidence. First, that the topic happened
to touch upon your uncle's thesis... and then, on top of that...
The thought crossed my mind only yesterday that gold, unlike silver,
would not affect the taste of wine - while lead would tend to sweeten
it, perhaps even the lead oxide in crystal. So perhaps the true
oenophile would drink wine from a *quartz* goblet.
Yes, I was re-reading Beatrice Warde's famous essay yesterday. (The
one about typography, wherein she notes that good typography should be
like a "crystal goblet", not getting in the way of communicating the
writer's thoughts to the reader.)
John Savard
Charlie Gibbs
<2accc9a9-c7a6-4c13...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
jsa...@ecn.ab.ca (Quadibloc) writes:
> On Nov 24, 6:05�pm, Morten Reistad <fi...@last.name> wrote:
>
>> The combination of silver and acid wine has been an effective
>> antibacterial agent for the Christian communion.
>
> This is a *really* amazing coincidence. First, that the topic happened
> to touch upon your uncle's thesis... and then, on top of that...
>
> The thought crossed my mind only yesterday that gold, unlike silver,
> would not affect the taste of wine - while lead would tend to sweeten
> it, perhaps even the lead oxide in crystal. So perhaps the true
> oenophile would drink wine from a *quartz* goblet.
Then there's the lead poisoning thing...
> Yes, I was re-reading Beatrice Warde's famous essay yesterday. (The
> one about typography, wherein she notes that good typography should be
> like a "crystal goblet", not getting in the way of communicating the
> writer's thoughts to the reader.)
To bring the thread back on-charter, if only this principle could
once again be applied to user interfaces... These days, too many
user interfaces seem to be designed around a philosophy that can
be summed up in three words: "in your face".
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Eugene Miya
It's a little more complicated than that.
I live a few hours from the last W mine in the USA, but it is also
China's mill. The guys who run the place noted that the Chinese flooded
the W market which might be the result of the low '5'. They had to
learn from that experience which caused the Americans to grin.
Even if it burned our last W mine.
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Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote:
>ArarghMai...@NOT.AT.Arargh.com writes:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:12:25 -0600, Charles Richmond
>> <fri...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Quadibloc wrote:
>> >> On Nov 23, 2:56 pm, eug...@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) wrote:
>> >>> I just came from Fort Knox.
>> >>> Is W more valuable than Au?
I don't bother watching the commodities/minerals markets for prices.
>> >> No, much less so. But Os is more valuable, which leaves out getting
>> >> the weight right, IIRC.
>> >
>> >If I can't get enough "O", all the "Au" in the universe is *not*
>> >going to help me... ;-)
>> "Os" is the symbol for Osmium and is more valuable than Gold.
I chanced to find a place in Virginia City, NV which sells Os samples.
Personally: no interest. Museums can hold the stuff.
>At current supply and demand levels, yes. However, if the supply of
>gold doubled it would still be precious; if the supply of Osmium
>doubled it would satisfy all demand and would be much less valuable.
Au's price is now completely artificial. I had an officemate who worked
in an environment where "armor plate is merely a dense gas" and for door
stops "why use Pb when Au will do?"
Anyways. Off to Europe.
jmfbahciv
> In article
> <2accc9a9-c7a6-4c13...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> jsa...@ecn.ab.ca (Quadibloc) writes:
>
>> On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, Morten Reistad <fi...@last.name> wrote:
>>
>>> The combination of silver and acid wine has been an effective
>>> antibacterial agent for the Christian communion.
>> This is a *really* amazing coincidence. First, that the topic happened
>> to touch upon your uncle's thesis... and then, on top of that...
>>
>> The thought crossed my mind only yesterday that gold, unlike silver,
>> would not affect the taste of wine - while lead would tend to sweeten
>> it, perhaps even the lead oxide in crystal. So perhaps the true
>> oenophile would drink wine from a *quartz* goblet.
>
> Then there's the lead poisoning thing...
>
>> Yes, I was re-reading Beatrice Warde's famous essay yesterday. (The
>> one about typography, wherein she notes that good typography should be
>> like a "crystal goblet", not getting in the way of communicating the
>> writer's thoughts to the reader.)
>
> To bring the thread back on-charter, if only this principle could
> once again be applied to user interfaces... These days, too many
> user interfaces seem to be designed around a philosophy that can
> be summed up in three words: "in your face".
>
where the sun don't shine and you can't look."
/BAH
Morten Reistad
My dad worked several decades for the national bank, handling large
amounts of the stuff; sufficient to give him exposure allergi for
gold. Surely a rare disease. There are a single-digit number of
documented cases; but given exposure it is/should be as common as
nickel allergy. It is just that the exposure to 24k gold is normally
rather limited. The jewelry has the gold bound in an alloy to stop
abration loss and give strength, so the exposure is a lot less than
for hauling coinage.
-- mrr
Charles Richmond
What about the really thin "gold leaf" that is used to put your
name on a book??? Should *that* engender a gold allergy response???
Morten Reistad
Charles Richmond <fri...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>Morten Reistad wrote:
>> In article <4b0db924$1@darkstar>, Eugene Miya <eug...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>>>> At current supply and demand levels, yes. However, if the supply of
>>>> gold doubled it would still be precious; if the supply of Osmium
>>>> doubled it would satisfy all demand and would be much less valuable.
>>> Au's price is now completely artificial. I had an officemate who worked
>>> in an environment where "armor plate is merely a dense gas" and for door
>>> stops "why use Pb when Au will do?"
>>
>> My dad worked several decades for the national bank, handling large
>> amounts of the stuff; sufficient to give him exposure allergi for
>> gold. Surely a rare disease. There are a single-digit number of
>> documented cases; but given exposure it is/should be as common as
>> nickel allergy. It is just that the exposure to 24k gold is normally
>> rather limited. The jewelry has the gold bound in an alloy to stop
>> abration loss and give strength, so the exposure is a lot less than
>> for hauling coinage.
>>
>
>What about the really thin "gold leaf" that is used to put your
>name on a book??? Should *that* engender a gold allergy response???
If you are subceptible to the right metal allergies; probably.
-- mrr
grey...@mail.com
>> nickel allergy. It is just that the exposure to 24k gold is normally
>> rather limited. The jewelry has the gold bound in an alloy to stop
>> abration loss and give strength, so the exposure is a lot less than
>> for hauling coinage.
>>
>
> What about the really thin "gold leaf" that is used to put your
> name on a book??? Should *that* engender a gold allergy response???
>
>
Gold can be made into a thinner leaf that almost any other element.
As a lot of people are discovering at the moment, trying to sell
off brass_covered_with_gold_leaf as gold.
Mensanator
> Morten Reistad wrote:
> > In article <4b0db924$1@darkstar>, Eugene Miya <eug...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
> >> Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote:
> >>> ArarghMail911NOS...@NOT.AT.Arargh.com writes:
>
> >>>> "Os" is the symbol for Osmium and is more valuable than Gold.
> >> I chanced to find a place in Virginia City, NV which sells Os samples.
> >> Personally: no interest. Museums can hold the stuff.
>
> >>> At current supply and demand levels, yes. However, if the supply of
> >>> gold doubled it would still be precious; if the supply of Osmium
> >>> doubled it would satisfy all demand and would be much less valuable.
> >> Au's price is now completely artificial. I had an officemate who worked
> >> in an environment where "armor plate is merely a dense gas" and for door
> >> stops "why use Pb when Au will do?"
>
> > My dad worked several decades for the national bank, handling large
> > amounts of the stuff; sufficient to give him exposure allergi for
> > gold. Surely a rare disease. There are a single-digit number of
> > documented cases; but given exposure it is/should be as common as
> > nickel allergy. It is just that the exposure to 24k gold is normally
> > rather limited. The jewelry has the gold bound in an alloy to stop
> > abration loss and give strength, so the exposure is a lot less than
> > for hauling coinage.
>
> What about the really thin "gold leaf" that is used to put your
> name on a book??? Should *that* engender a gold allergy response???
Less likely, I would think,than eaing it on cake
pr drinking it in vodka.
>
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> On Nov 27, 1:22�pm, Charles Richmond <friz...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Morten Reistad wrote:
>> > My dad worked several decades for the national bank, handling large
>> > amounts of the stuff; sufficient to give him exposure allergi for
>> > gold. Surely a rare disease. There are a single-digit number of
>> > documented cases; but given exposure it is/should be as common as
>> > nickel allergy. It is just that the exposure to 24k gold is normally
>> > rather limited. The jewelry has the gold bound in an alloy to stop
>> > abration loss and give strength, so the exposure is a lot less than
>> > for hauling coinage.
>>
>> What about the really thin "gold leaf" that is used to put your
>> name on a book??? Should *that* engender a gold allergy response???
>
>
> Less likely, I would think,than eaing it on cake
> pr drinking it in vodka.
Gold leaf scattered on the surface of drinks
Was fashionable in Japan before property prices there collapsed.
Urban legend has it that later people were able to recover it from
the sewedge outlets under restaurants.
jmfbahciv
off her wedding ring and paint the bows on her glasses with clear
nail polish.
/BAH
Mensanator
> On 2009-11-27, Mensanator <mensana...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 1:22�pm, Charles Richmond <friz...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Morten Reistad wrote:
> >> > My dad worked several decades for the national bank, handling large
> >> > amounts of the stuff; sufficient to give him exposure allergi for
> >> > gold. Surely a rare disease. There are a single-digit number of
> >> > documented cases; but given exposure it is/should be as common as
> >> > nickel allergy. It is just that the exposure to 24k gold is normally
> >> > rather limited. The jewelry has the gold bound in an alloy to stop
> >> > abration loss and give strength, so the exposure is a lot less than
> >> > for hauling coinage.
>
> >> What about the really thin "gold leaf" that is used to put your
> >> name on a book??? Should *that* engender a gold allergy response???
>
> > Less likely, I would think,than eaing it on cake
> > pr drinking it in vodka.
>
> Gold leaf scattered on the surface of drinks
> Was fashionable in Japan before property prices there collapsed.
The vodka ad I saw was recent.
> Urban legend has it that later people were able to recover it from
> the sewedge outlets under restaurants.
Unlikely you could recover enough to make it
worthwhile.
>
> --
> greymaus
> .
> �.
Quadibloc
> What about the really thin "gold leaf" that is used to put your
> name on a book??? Should *that* engender a gold allergy response???
Why not? After all, it's the surface area that counts, because you
don't come into contact with the atoms buried inside a solid object.
John Savard