New Programmer's Drink?
P. J. Remner
I was on my never-ending search for Jolt, being told to first go here,
then there. No luck. Finally, I get "Go to Rini's" (supermarket).
I get in there, head directly to the pop section. No Jolt. I don't
even know what Jolt looks like, it's a dark blue can with red letters,
right?
Anyway, I spied a 3-liter bottle of something for $1.09. It is called
"Double Cola." I figured that maybe they meant double caffeine, so I
checked out the ingredients list. Carbinated water, sugar and/or corn
sweeteners, caramel color, phosphoric acid, *CAFFEINE*, natural flavorings.
Seeing that caffeine was higher up on the list than Mountain Dew, I
bought it. I drank barely half a liter and it has kept me up six hours
later. It tastes just like Coke. The bottle is white, "Double Cola"
is in some bland 80's font, and there is a red and a blue rounded box
on the bottom of the label. It is bottled uder the authority of "The
Double Cola Company, Chattanooga, TN 37408." Is that where Jolt is
based?
What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
entity in the caffeine wars?
Double your caffeine, double your fun...
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"Double Cola" has been around for 30 years or more. I don't think the
"double" refers to the caffeine concentration, but I could be wrong.
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Valarie Cook
aj...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner) writes:
>
>
> I was on my never-ending search for Jolt, being told to first go here,
>then there. No luck. Finally, I get "Go to Rini's" (supermarket).
>I get in there, head directly to the pop section. No Jolt. I don't
>even know what Jolt looks like, it's a dark blue can with red letters,
>right?
>
>Anyway, I spied a 3-liter bottle of something for $1.09. It is called
>"Double Cola." I figured that maybe they meant double caffeine, so I
>checked out the ingredients list. Carbinated water, sugar and/or corn
>sweeteners, caramel color, phosphoric acid, *CAFFEINE*, natural flavorings.
>
>Seeing that caffeine was higher up on the list than Mountain Dew, I
>bought it. I drank barely half a liter and it has kept me up six hours
>later. It tastes just like Coke. The bottle is white, "Double Cola"
>is in some bland 80's font, and there is a red and a blue rounded box
>on the bottom of the label. It is bottled uder the authority of "The
>Double Cola Company, Chattanooga, TN 37408." Is that where Jolt is
>based?
>
>What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>entity in the caffeine wars?
Double Cola has been around for ages. The "Double" refers to the amount
formerly sold for a nickel--it came in 12-oz. bottles when Coke came in
6+ oz. bottles, but it sold for the same price. "Twice as much for a
nickel" was their advertising slogan for quite a while.
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Charles Mitchell
CSP...@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Valarie Cook) writes:
> (material about Jolt and Double Cola deleted)
>Double Cola has been around for ages. The "Double" refers to the amount
>formerly sold for a nickel--it came in 12-oz. bottles when Coke came in
>6+ oz. bottles, but it sold for the same price. "Twice as much for a
>nickel" was their advertising slogan for quite a while.
I remember long, long ago that Pepsi had an advertising jingle on the
radio (I even seem to remember that it was the "first" such jingle,
but I won't stand by that statement. Maybe someone knows.). It
went like this:
Pepsi Cola hits the spot!
Twelve full ounces that's a lot!
Twice as much for a nickel too,
Pepsi Cola is the drink for you!
I don't think I've ever heard of Double Cola. Am I misremembering
the name in the jingle? (No! how could that be?)
Charlie "when we get sound transmissions on the usenet, i'll sing it
for you" Mitchell
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| one up myself.
131N50000-MaddenTC(DR2071)40
[Double Cola story deleted]
>
>Double Cola has been around for ages. The "Double" refers to the amount
>formerly sold for a nickel--it came in 12-oz. bottles when Coke came in
>6+ oz. bottles, but it sold for the same price. "Twice as much for a
>nickel" was their advertising slogan for quite a while.
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
>Valarie Cook coo...@auducadm.auburn.edu 144 Parker Hall
I thought that was Pepsi's slogan:
PEP-si Cola HITS the spot -
TWELVE full ounces, THAT'S a lot.
Twice as MUCH for a nick-el, too -
PEP-si Cola is the drink for you!
Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
Nickel nickel nickel -
Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
Nickel, nick-ell.
Tom "will recite post-war advertising jingles for food" Madden
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These are my opinions only!!
Daniel Ockeloen
> I was on my never-ending search for Jolt, being told to first go here,
>then there. No luck. Finally, I get "Go to Rini's" (supermarket).
>I get in there, head directly to the pop section. No Jolt. I don't
>even know what Jolt looks like, it's a dark blue can with red letters,
>right?
Nope, its red with white stripes (all around) white/blue 3d letters and
a yellow/blue ligth flash...
And the text "Maximum Caffeine...
More Power."
>on the bottom of the label. It is bottled uder the authority of "The
>Double Cola Company, Chattanooga, TN 37408." Is that where Jolt is
>based?
Nope : The Jolt-Company inc.
Rochester, N.Y. 14625
Its not that hard to get them directly from them, hacktic got about 3000
for the HEU (hacking at the end of the universe) last aug.
>What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>entity in the caffeine wars?
>Double your caffeine, double your fun...
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Juergen Nickelsen
(131N50000-MaddenTC(DR2071)40) writes:
: PEP-si Cola HITS the spot -
: TWELVE full ounces, THAT'S a lot.
: Twice as MUCH for a nick-el, too -
: PEP-si Cola is the drink for you!
: Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
: Nickel nickel nickel -
: Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
: Nickel, nick-ell.
:
: Tom "will recite post-war advertising jingles for food" Madden
Uh... someone called me?
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<nickel#prz.tu-berlin.de>
Cynthia Kandolf
>Anyway, I spied a 3-liter bottle of something for $1.09. It is called
>"Double Cola." I figured that maybe they meant double caffeine, so I
>checked out the ingredients list. Carbinated water, sugar and/or corn
>sweeteners, caramel color, phosphoric acid, *CAFFEINE*, natural
>flavorings.
>
>Seeing that caffeine was higher up on the list than Mountain Dew, I
>bought it. I drank barely half a liter and it has kept me up six
hours
>later.
Nope, it's not new, and if it has more caffeine than other colas,
well, i never noticed any effects. The only thing it ever gave me was
gas, not insomnia.
It also tastes vile. I'll grant it's better than RC, but this is not
much of a compliment. Unfortunately, my parents bought it a lot when
i was young because it was cheaper than Coke or Pepsi. Thank gawd
they discovered A-Treat Cola (bottled by the A-Treat Beverage Company
of Allentown, Pennsylavnia), which is still cheap but at least tastes
like a cola-flavored beverage.
If caffeine is higher on the list than it is on Mountain Dew, it's
probably because Double Cola is stingy with the "natural flavorings".
I am reminded of a beer one of my more desperate college friends
bought that had "hops" listed as the last ingredient, after several
ingredients with long unidentifiable names. The makers of Mountain
Dew, on the other hand, are selling a fine product and work hard to
make sure it tastes good as it destroys your stomach and various
crucial brain cells.
And the reason you can't sleep six hours later is probably because
you're still burping. Either that or your conscience is bothering
you.
-Cindy Kandolf
ci...@lise.unit.no
Trondheim, Norway
Paul Peterson
In article <2erluo$5...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
>aj...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner) writes:
>
>>
>>What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>entity in the caffeine wars?
>
>Double Cola has been around for ages. The "Double" refers to the amount
>formerly sold for a nickel--it came in 12-oz. bottles when Coke came in
>6+ oz. bottles, but it sold for the same price. "Twice as much for a
>nickel" was their advertising slogan for quite a while.
>
of is from an old Pepsi advertising campaign.
Pepsi-Cola hits the spot.
Twelve full ounces, that's a lot.
Twice as much for a nickel, too.
Pepsi-Cola is the drink for you!
Paul
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young a t
>I thought that was Pepsi's slogan:
> PEP-si Cola HITS the spot -
> TWELVE full ounces, THAT'S a lot.
> Twice as MUCH for a nick-el, too -
> PEP-si Cola is the drink for you!
> Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
> Nickel nickel nickel -
> Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
> Nickel, nick-ell.
No, you've got it all wrong. It was:
Pepsi Cola costs a lot --
Ties your stummick in a knot;
Looks like vinegar, tastes like ink --
Pepsi Cola is a stinky drink!
Anyway, that was the version I heard from Pete Seeger...
(I always thought the vinegar/ink line was inspired; a less talented
person would have had it the other way around.)
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I haven't seen Jolt in the stores for a while but then I havn't look for it
either. I remember that the makers of Jolt came out with "Diet Jolt". What's
the point of that? Also back in college we used to drink what we called JJ's
(Jolt and Jack Daniel's). The side effects were hilarious!
-Clyde
Kriston Rehberg
>Nope, its red with white stripes (all around) white/blue 3d letters and
>a yellow/blue ligth flash...
>
> And the text "Maximum Caffeine...
> More Power."
Uhh.. on my 4 cases of Jolt I last bought for $0.99 per six-pack
(there was a huge sale), the text on the label looks more like:
"Twice the caffeine"
and on the bottom, in a stupid font,
"PopUlating the World"
Not only that, but it tastes like shit.
I've seen other labels, like "All the sugure, twice the caffeine" and
I've even seen (and bought) long-neck 12-ounce silk-screened bottles.
But it tastes better than Diet Coke which is closer to it in caffeine
content than most other soft drinks (other than Mountain Dew and the
seldom-seen Diet Mr. Pibbs).
Kris
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William G. Sinkins
|> Uhh.. on my 4 cases of Jolt I last bought for $0.99 per six-pack
|> (there was a huge sale), the text on the label looks more like:
|>
|> Not only that, but it tastes like shit.
|>
It tastes like shit, but you buy it by the case anyway? It's posts like this
that make me feel right at home in AFU.
Bill 'I can't resist a sale either' Sinkins
Olaf Seibert
[about Jolt]
>Its not that hard to get them directly from them, hacktic got about 3000
>for the HEU (hacking at the end of the universe) last aug.
I have one of the last cans of those here on my desk... (now everybody in
this country looks jealous ;-) it looks like it comes from Germany, as it
has the german "der gr\"une punkt" and "dosen recycling" on it. Unless this
nonsense symbol has spread to the usa...
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DoN. Nichols
>In article <CI6yL...@bigtop.dr.att.com> t...@drutx.att.com
>(131N50000-MaddenTC(DR2071)40) writes:
>
>: PEP-si Cola HITS the spot -
[ ... ]
>: Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
>: Nickel nickel nickel -
>: Nickel nickel, nickel nickel,
>: Nickel, nick-ell.
>:
>: Tom "will recite post-war advertising jingles for food" Madden
>
>Uh... someone called me?
>Juergen "who doesn't grep the news" Nickelsen
><nickel#prz.tu-berlin.de>
Well ... this seems to be as appropriate a spot as any to toss this
question out to the world. I have hanging on my wall an enameled metal
adevtising sign for "Nichol Kola" (5 cents), noted as "America's Taste
Sensation", and "Twice As Good" along the bottom (as good as what is not
specified).
It should be obvious why I have this hanging on my wall (see my
name), even though I have never tasted the product, or even seen a bottle of
it.
I found the sign in a Northren VA antique shop, along with a couple
of others, which I got for my sister and brother.
However - what I am wondering is whether there is *anybody* out there
who has encountered the beverage, and what it was like. It certainly died
out prior to the advent of "Programming Fluids".
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Bill Vermillion
In article <1993121710...@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu>,
Valarie Cook <coo...@mail.auburn.edu> wrote:
>In article <2erluo$5...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
>aj...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner) writes:
>
>>
>>
>>then there. No luck. Finally, I get "Go to Rini's" (supermarket).
>>I get in there, head directly to the pop section. No Jolt. I don't
>>even know what Jolt looks like, it's a dark blue can with red letters,
>>right?
>>
>>Anyway, I spied a 3-liter bottle of something for $1.09. It is called
>>"Double Cola." I figured that maybe they meant double caffeine, so I
>>checked out the ingredients list. Carbinated water, sugar and/or corn
>>sweeteners, caramel color, phosphoric acid, *CAFFEINE*, natural flavorings.
>>What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>entity in the caffeine wars?
>Double Cola has been around for ages. The "Double" refers to the amount
>formerly sold for a nickel--it came in 12-oz. bottles when Coke came in
>6+ oz. bottles, but it sold for the same price. "Twice as much for a
>nickel" was their advertising slogan for quite a while.
^^^^^^^
Wrong. WRONG >>>>WRONG WRONG WRONG<<<<<
Try this for the twice as much for a nickel theme.
Pepsi Cola Hits the Spot
12 Full Ounces, That's a Lot
Twice as Much For A Nickel Too!
Pepsi Cola Is the Drink for You!
That dates back to about 1940-41.
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Dagmar A. Bogan
the jingle in the 50s???
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>I remember the jingle...but who remembers that James Dean was the guy singing
>the jingle in the 50s???
>
Are you sure you don't mean Jimmy Dean, later known for his sausages?
He was a singer in that era, and much more believable as a jingle
singer than actor James Dean.
Tom "will not become one with my Porsche for anything" Madden
Ed McCreary
PJR> I was on my never-ending search for Jolt, being told to first go here,
PJR> then there. No luck. Finally, I get "Go to Rini's" (supermarket).
PJR> I get in there, head directly to the pop section. No Jolt. I don't
PJR> even know what Jolt looks like, it's a dark blue can with red letters,
PJR> right?
You should have been at the Microsoft Win32 PDC last week. By the last
day there where hundereds of cans left over just waiting to be comsumed.
Truth be known, I think I developed an addiction to those chocolate muffins
while there.
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one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear."
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Michael Moroney
Yes, Diet Jolt existed. It didn't last long, guess the manufacturers decided
to ask "what's the point" after it came out. (I always thought it would
make a great way to lose weight - few calories but all the caffeine would
make you lose weight by bouncing off the walls)
-Mike
Monte Ferguson
>then there. No luck. Finally, I get "Go to Rini's" (supermarket).
>I get in there, head directly to the pop section. No Jolt. I don't
>even know what Jolt looks like, it's a dark blue can with red letters,
>right?
Da> Nope, its red with white stripes (all around) white/blue 3d letters
Da> and a yellow/blue ligth flash...
Da> And the text "Maximum Caffeine...
Da> More Power."
Used to be "All the Sugar, Twice the Caffeine".
Before they SOLD OUT to HIGH FRUCTOSE corn SWEETNERS.
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Kriston Rehberg
>|> Not only that, but it tastes like shit.
>|>
>
>It tastes like shit, but you buy it by the case anyway? It's posts like this
>that make me feel right at home in AFU.
Yah, but it's tastey shit.
Richard E. Byer
Huh? Jolt uses sugar exclusively. It even has this little symbol-
thingy that says SUGAR the real stuff.
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Ralph Barbagallo
after a bit of studying when I noticed they had a new drink. It was called
Mr. Pip... amazingly it tasted EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper and the label on the
fountain even had the same color scheme. Has Coca-Cola renamed Dr. Pepper
or something? It still tastes like crap no matter what the name is...
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Charlie Gibbs
reh...@paladin.Owego.NY.US (Kriston Rehberg) writes:
>In article <2f58d7$d...@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> wsin...@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
(William
>G. Sinkins) writes:
>
>>|> Not only that, but it tastes like shit.
>>|>
>>
>>It tastes like shit, but you buy it by the case anyway? It's posts like
this
>>that make me feel right at home in AFU.
>
>Yah, but it's tastey shit.
Say, this could make a good slogan for Microsoft. :-)
Charli...@mindlink.bc.ca
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David DeLaney
> Speaking of soft drinks, yesterday I decided to go to Burger King
>after a bit of studying when I noticed they had a new drink. It was called
>Mr. Pip... amazingly it tasted EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper and the label on the
>fountain even had the same color scheme. Has Coca-Cola renamed Dr. Pepper
>or something? It still tastes like crap no matter what the name is...
That's "Mr. Pibb"; it's been common on the East Coast since my childhood - we
went to Delaware every summer to Grandma's (on the Chesapeake Bay) and while
there the Dr. was not available, but Mr. Pibb was there in its place.
Dave "will not say how long ago my childhood was for food" DeLaney
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Ralph Barbagallo
life and I've never seen Mr. Pibb until a few days ago. Well, I haven't
managed to find Strawberry and Coconut Yoo-Hoo either, so maybe it's just
me.
Jens Bang
I live in Denmark and have a very big problem of getting som Jolt, so could
somebody please mail the USA adress of The Jolt Cola Company (or whatever
their name is)?
Jens Bang (odd...@diku.dk)
Monte Ferguson
> Before they SOLD OUT to HIGH FRUCTOSE corn SWEETNERS.
By> Huh? Jolt uses sugar exclusively. It even has this little symbol-
By> thingy that says SUGAR the real stuff.
I'll double check, but I'm pretty darned sure the last can I had used
"high-fructose corn sweeteners" (the dirty swine).
Could be a regional thing... you might get the real stuff, and I get
The Evil Pseudo-Sugar. I hear they still make Coke with cane sugar, in
some sonny spots of the globe.
But not in *my* neighborhood.
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Ben Byer
>Jens Bang (odd...@diku.dk)
Uhhh.. from the can:
DISTRIBUTED BY: THE
JOLT-COMPANY, INC.,
ROCHESTER, N.Y. 14625
Dave Brookshire
Ralph Barbagallo <rbar...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
> Well that's strange, I've been living on the East Coast all my
>life and I've never seen Mr. Pibb until a few days ago. Well, I haven't
>managed to find Strawberry and Coconut Yoo-Hoo either, so maybe it's just
>me.
Visit a local Wendy's restaurant. They have always carried Mr. Pibb over
Dr. Pepper. Recently, however, my local place started to carry both.
Anyways, it's been a while, have things changed?
Dave
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Matt Ackeret
>life and I've never seen Mr. Pibb until a few days ago. Well, I haven't
Safeway may not have it anymore after they got rid of their
Cragmont house brand soda [rather, they just renamed it Safeway Select or
somesuch]... but they used to have another Dr. Pepper clone, theirs called
The Skipper.
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Michael Covington
> Well that's strange, I've been living on the East Coast all my
>life and I've never seen Mr. Pibb until a few days ago. Well, I haven't
>managed to find Strawberry and Coconut Yoo-Hoo either, so maybe it's just
>me.
This may come as a shock to you, but Coca-Cola and Mr. Pibb don't come from
the Northeast. They come from Georgia.
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peter hoffman
>rbar...@cs.uml.edu (Ralph Barbagallo) writes:
>> Speaking of soft drinks, yesterday I decided to go to Burger King
>>after a bit of studying when I noticed they had a new drink. It was called
>>Mr. Pip... amazingly it tasted EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper and the label on the
>>fountain even had the same color scheme. Has Coca-Cola renamed Dr. Pepper
>>or something? It still tastes like crap no matter what the name is...
>That's "Mr. Pibb"; it's been common on the East Coast since my childhood - we
>went to Delaware every summer to Grandma's (on the Chesapeake Bay) and while
>there the Dr. was not available, but Mr. Pibb was there in its place.
It is the Pepsi version of Dr. Pepper. There are several parallel drinks
in the lineups of Coca-Cola and Pepsi: Mt.Dew and Mello-Yello, Sprite and
7-Up, Coke and Pepsi -- there is a serious shortage of innovation in the
softdrink industry. It seems to me that they find an interesting drink
made by a small bottler and then either buy it or clone it. Check out
"Cheerwine" (a Dr.Pepper/Mr.Pibb type drink) or "Kick-a-Poo Joy Juice" (if
it is still around) which was a Mt.Dew/Mello-Yello type drink. Does anyone
know more details as to who invented these drinks, their availability, or
other trivia? Who is ripping off who?
Peter Hoffman
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burning, the seas sleep, and the rivers dream; people made of smoke, and
cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger; somewhere there's injustice,
and somewhere else the tea is getting cold! Come on Ace, we've got work to do!"
peter hoffman
>Dave
Many times it depends on who owns who. Pepsi is served in Pizza Huts because
both Pizza Hut and Pepsi-Cola are owned by Pepsi-Co.
I have drunk a strawberry Yoo-Hoo but I have never seen a coconet one! I will
have to keep my eyes out for one! I think (perhaps) you have to live in the
South in order to get some of the really different drinks? I have seen/had
everything mentioned so far with the exception of the aforementioned Yoo-Hoo.
What kinds of local drinks are there in other parts of the USA? The world?
What about the Nehi drinks? Their grape was unbeatable (especially when
chilled to the point that ice forms from the loss of energy due to the out
gassing of the CO2 when popped open). Their strawberry and orange were good
too.
Sten Drescher
Hoffman> d...@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
>> rbar...@cs.uml.edu (Ralph Barbagallo) writes:
>>> Speaking of soft drinks, yesterday I decided to go to Burger King
>>> after a bit of studying when I noticed they had a new drink. It was called
>>> Mr. Pip... amazingly it tasted EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper and the label on the
>>> fountain even had the same color scheme. Has Coca-Cola renamed Dr. Pepper
>>> or something? It still tastes like crap no matter what the name is...
>> That's "Mr. Pibb"; it's been common on the East Coast since my childhood - we
>> went to Delaware every summer to Grandma's (on the Chesapeake Bay) and while
>> there the Dr. was not available, but Mr. Pibb was there in its place.
Hoffman> It is the Pepsi version of Dr. Pepper. There are several parallel drinks
Hoffman> in the lineups of Coca-Cola and Pepsi: Mt.Dew and Mello-Yello, Sprite and
Hoffman> 7-Up, Coke and Pepsi -- there is a serious shortage of innovation in the
Well, both Mt Dew and Mello-Yello are Pepsi products, and 7-Up
is from an independent company.
Hoffman> softdrink industry. It seems to me that they find an interesting drink
Hoffman> made by a small bottler and then either buy it or clone it. Check out
Hoffman> "Cheerwine" (a Dr.Pepper/Mr.Pibb type drink) or "Kick-a-Poo Joy Juice" (if
Hoffman> it is still around) which was a Mt.Dew/Mello-Yello type drink. Does anyone
Hoffman> know more details as to who invented these drinks, their availability, or
Hoffman> other trivia? Who is ripping off who?
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Jacob C Kesinger
s...@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Sten Drescher) writes:
>On Mon, 27 Dec 1993 22:08:22 GMT, pe...@melanie.uucp (peter hoffman) said:
>Hoffman> d...@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
>>> rbar...@cs.uml.edu (Ralph Barbagallo) writes:
>>>> Speaking of soft drinks, yesterday I decided to go to Burger King
>>>> after a bit of studying when I noticed they had a new drink. It was called
>>>> Mr. Pip...amazingly it tasted EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper and the label on the
>>>> fountain even had the same color scheme. Has Coca-Cola renamed Dr. Pepper
>>>> or something? It still tastes like crap no matter what the name is...
>>>That's "Mr. Pibb";it's been common on the East Coast since my childhood - we
>>>went to Delaware every summer to Grandma's (on the Chesapeake Bay) and while
>>>there the Dr. was not available, but Mr. Pibb was there in its place.
>> is the Pepsi version of Dr. Pepper. There are several parallel drinks
>> in the lineups of Coca-Cola and Pepsi: Mt.Dew and Mello-Yello, Sprite and
>> 7-Up, Coke and Pepsi -- there is a serious shortage of innovation in the
> Well, both Mt Dew and Mello-Yello are Pepsi products, and 7-Up
>is from an independent company.
Hm. I'm not too sure about this. 7-up is sold in Pepsi machines around
here (NW Washington State), and goes on sale at the same time, leading me
to beleive that they are the same company (or that Pepsi distributes
7-up).
Mello-Yello and Mr. Pibb appear to be Coke products (I haven't seen
Mello Yello around here for years, I had thought maybe Coke had stopped
making it...)
My observations:
Coke Pepsi
---- -----
Anything with 'Coke' in the name Anything with 'Pepsi' in the name
Sprite 7-Up
Mr. Pibb Dr. Pepper
Squirt ?
Clear Tab Crystal Pepsi (duh!)
* Crush Slice (are there other flavors
besides Orange?)
Minute Maid Orange ? (Slice again?)
Fanta ?
Mello-Yello Mtn. Dew
I'm sure I've forgotten some here, maybe others can fill
in the gaps?
>> softdrink industry. It seems to me that they find an interesting drink
>> made by a small bottler and then either buy it or clone it. Check out
>> "Cheerwine" (a Dr.Pepper/Mr.Pibb type drink) or "Kick-a-Poo Joy Juice" (if
>> it is still around) which was a Mt.Dew/Mello-Yello type drink. Does anyone
>> know more details as to who invented these drinks, their availability, or
>> other trivia? Who is ripping off who?
And vice-versa, probably. Shasta used to sell (at least 10 years ago,
when you could still find 6-packs for 99 cents) a Dr. Pepper clone,
called something like Dr. Demento. That wasn't the name, but it's
close.
--Jake
JamesSturdevant
>Hm. I'm not too sure about this. 7-up is sold in Pepsi machines around
>here (NW Washington State), and goes on sale at the same time, leading me
>to beleive that they are the same company (or that Pepsi distributes
>7-up).
In many areas, the bottlers are completely independent companies that buy
the syrup from the major corporations. This means that 7Up may be sold by
the Pepsi bottler in one area and both by separate bottlers in others.
Sprite is a Coca-cola product so you won't see 7Up from a Coke bottler.
A few years ago (see it's folklore) Pepsi tried to come out with a 7Up
clone. 7Up threatened to pull all its products from the independents that
tried to distribute the Pepsi product.
JamesS
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Tommy Usher
monte.f...@pcohio.com (Monte Ferguson) writes:
>Could be a regional thing... you might get the real stuff, andd I get
>The Evil Pseudo-Sugar. I hear they still make Coke with cane sugar, in
>some sonny spots of the globe.
Yes, I have a friend who runs a computer store in Florida, who makes a
regular run to Bahama for Coke with real sugar. And of course he had
fun going through customs:
"What's in the suitcase?"
"Coke!"
"Oh, mahn.....!"
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Tommy Usher
rbar...@cs.uml.edu (Ralph Barbagallo) writes:
>Speaking of soft drinks, yesterday I decided to go to Burger King
>after a bit of studying when I noticed they had a new drink. It was called
>Mr. Pip... amazingly it tasted EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper and the label on the
>fountain even had the same color scheme. Has Coca-Cola renamed Dr. Pepper
>or something? It still tastes like crap no matter what the name is...
I am suprised you just noticed this vile, accursed, concoction. Mr. Pipp,
which is supposed to be Coca-Cola's answer to Dr. Pepper, has been around
for about 20 years. It is not a name change, but think about it. It is
supposed to sort of sound similar. And don't forget Mello Yellow, which
is a very poor imitation of Mt. Dew. No, Coca-Cola was not able to
purchase Dr. Pepper. They tried a few years back, but failed.
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Tommy Usher
mor...@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
>wat...@ctron.com writes:
What about diabetic hackers? (Actually I only have glucose intolerance which
is weight related, but Diet Jolt would be nice, then I could drink a six-pack
and get really up for those late-night hacking sessions.)
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Tommy Usher
pe...@melanie.uucp (peter hoffman) writes:
>It is the Pepsi version of Dr. Pepper. There are several parallel drinks
>in the lineups of Coca-Cola and Pepsi: Mt.Dew and Mello-Yello, Sprite and
>7-Up, Coke and Pepsi -- there is a serious shortage of innovation in the
>softdrink industry. It seems to me that they find an interesting drink
>made by a small bottler and then either buy it or clone it. Check out
>"Cheerwine" (a Dr.Pepper/Mr.Pibb type drink) or "Kick-a-Poo Joy Juice" (if
>it is still around) which was a Mt.Dew/Mello-Yello type drink. Does anyone
>know more details as to who invented these drinks, their availability, or
>other trivia? Who is ripping off who?
I don't know about the others, but Mt. Dew originated here in Birmingham,
AL. It was originally marketed in a bottle that was decorated with a
bunch of caricatures of "hillbillies" and was apparently meant to cash in
on the popularity of the show, "The Beverly Hillbillies." For a while, there
was a rival product called White Lightning. Both of these names are slang
for illegal whiskey. In fact, an amusing anecdote from the products early
days:
My parents purchased a Kirby Vacumn Cleaner from a salesman who had only
recently immigrated here from Brazil. During the rather long sales pitch,
it became time for supper, so they invited him to eat. My father ran to
a local barbeque joint and picked up some sandwichs. As we sat down to eat,
my mother got out the drinks and asked if he wanted a Mt. Dew. His eyes
got big, and he said NO he wanted nothing to do with that poison. It took
a second, but we realized that he thought she meant illegal whiskey, which
the goverment was running a campaign against, pointing out that it often
contained lead. We finally convinced him it was just a soft drink.
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Tommy Usher
pe...@melanie.uucp (peter hoffman) writes:
>I have drunk a strawberry Yoo-Hoo but I have never seen a coconet one! I will
>have to keep my eyes out for one! I think (perhaps) you have to live in the
>South in order to get some of the really different drinks? I have seen/had
>everything mentioned so far with the exception of the aforementioned Yoo-Hoo.
>What kinds of local drinks are there in other parts of the USA? The world?
>What about the Nehi drinks? Their grape was unbeatable (especially when
>chilled to the point that ice forms from the loss of energy due to the out
>gassing of the CO2 when popped open). Their strawberry and orange were good
>too.
You only say that about grape Nehi because you have never had a Grapico.
That it THE unbeatable grape drink. Best served with a barbecue or a hot
dog at a local stand. (Local being Birmingham, AL.)
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David DeLaney
>And vice-versa, probably. Shasta used to sell (at least 10 years ago,
>when you could still find 6-packs for 99 cents) a Dr. Pepper clone,
>called something like Dr. Demento. That wasn't the name, but it's
>close.
Not to mention the Krogers' and Finast "house brand" 69c/2liters bottles
of "Dr. K", etc...
Dave again
John Novak
>I am suprised you just noticed this vile, accursed, concoction. Mr. Pipp,
>which is supposed to be Coca-Cola's answer to Dr. Pepper, has been around
>for about 20 years. It is not a name change, but think about it. It is
>supposed to sort of sound similar. And don't forget Mello Yellow, which
>is a very poor imitation of Mt. Dew. No, Coca-Cola was not able to
>purchase Dr. Pepper. They tried a few years back, but failed.
Oh, and what a vile awakening it is, when you accidentally
swallow either of those. I mistakenly got a swig of Mr. Pibb at
a local eatery a few months back. I'd have sworn it was a Dr.
Pepper, from the taste. It has that same sickly sweet,
nauseating flavor to it-- is that the ethylene glycol?
And Mellow Yellow isn't even worth mentioning. (Though I know
someone who buys it 'cause the bottles here are four ounces
larger... Sheesh.)
--
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dark...@cegt201.bradley.edu
David K. Bryant
> > Used to be "All the Sugar, Twice the Caffeine".
> > Before they SOLD OUT to HIGH FRUCTOSE corn SWEETNERS.
> By> Huh? Jolt uses sugar exclusively. It even has this little symbol-
> By> thingy that says SUGAR the real stuff.
> I'll double check, but I'm pretty darned sure the last can I had used
> "high-fructose corn sweeteners" (the dirty swine).
And the original slogan was "Real Sugar and Twice the Caffeine".
Anthony Farmer
- alf -
John Novak (dark...@cegt201.bradley.edu) wrote:
DoN. Nichols
[ ... ]
>Not to mention the Krogers' and Finast "house brand" 69c/2liters bottles
^^^^^^
>of "Dr. K", etc...
I'm not from that area, but when traveling through, every time I see
that store name, I think of the possible sloagan for the "house brand" of
toilet paper:
"Finast toilet paper for fine a**ed people."
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Actually, he may be right. If I'm not mistaken, didn' they come
out with DIET JOLT? (In a white can with red stripes).
Tommy Usher
dark...@cegt201.bradley.edu (John Novak) writes:
>In <7635.11...@the-matrix.com> tommy...@the-matrix.com (Tommy Usher) w
>ites:
>>I am suprised you just noticed this vile, accursed, concoction. Mr. Pipp,
>>which is supposed to be Coca-Cola's answer to Dr. Pepper, has been around
>>for about 20 years. It is not a name change, but think about it. It is
>>supposed to sort of sound similar. And don't forget Mello Yellow, which
>>iis a very poor imitation of Mt. Dew. No, Coca-Cola was not able to
>>purchase Dr. Pepper. They tried a few years back, but failed.
>Oh, and what a vile awakening it is, when you accidentally
>swallow either of those. I mistakenly got a swig of Mr. Pibb at
>a local eatery a few months back. I'd have sworn it was a Dr.
>Pepper, from the taste. It has that same sickly sweet,
>nauseating flavor to it-- is that the ethylene glycol?
They are similar. From what I have read, "Big Secrets" by
Poundstone, Dr. Pepper is a blend of artificial flavors called
a fantasia in the trade. In another words, the final product
tastes like none of the component flavors.
>And Mellow Yellow isn't even worth mentioning. (Though I know
>someone who buys it 'cause the bottles here are four ounces
>larger... Sheesh.)
I like Mt. Dew. Four extra ounces of Mellow Yellow is sort of
like an extra four minutes of drilling by the dentist.
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Jeff Zeitlin
P::>I have drunk a strawberry Yoo-Hoo but I have never seen a coconet one! I w
I've seen coconut Yoo-Hoo in Latino neighborhoods in NYC. Also
coconut soda.
::>have to keep my eyes out for one! I think (perhaps) you have to live in th
::>South in order to get some of the really different drinks? I have seen/had
::>everything mentioned so far with the exception of the aforementioned Yoo-Ho
::>What kinds of local drinks are there in other parts of the USA? The world?
Well, I've seen a series of sodas sold in 20oz bottles under the
brand name "Tropical Fantasy". Most of their flavors are "normal"
(they have Cola, Grape, Coconut, Lemon-Lime, Orange, Tropical
Punch, and Ginger Ale), but their "Wild Blue Cherry" flavor is the
exact color of Windex/Glass Plus/Ty-D-Bowl/Blue Curacao.
Somewhat off the main topic, but Nestles Quik has the "normal"
Chocolate and Strawberry flavors here, but I've also seen _banana_
on the shelves...
::>What about the Nehi drinks? Their grape was unbeatable (especially when
::>chilled to the point that ice forms from the loss of energy due to the out
::>gassing of the CO2 when popped open). Their strawberry and orange were goo
::>too.
Nehi... That brings back memories; I haven't seen it in this area
in years. I never liked the Orange; I thought that the Grape was
the only drinkable flavor...
Jeff "I usta look sorta like Radar, too" Zeitlin
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J. D. McDonald
>Subject: Re: New Programmer's Drin
>P::>I have drunk a strawberry Yoo-Hoo but I have never seen a coconet one! I w
> I've seen coconut Yoo-Hoo in Latino neighborhoods in NYC. Also
> coconut soda.
> Well, I've seen a series of sodas sold in 20oz bottles under the
> brand name "Tropical Fantasy". Most of their flavors are "normal"
> (they have Cola, Grape, Coconut, Lemon-Lime, Orange, Tropical
> Punch, and Ginger Ale), but their "Wild Blue Cherry" flavor is the
> exact color of Windex/Glass Plus/Ty-D-Bowl/Blue Curacao.
> Somewhat off the main topic,
When I visited Peru about 10 years ago, there was a heavily advertised
soft drink called "Bimbo".
And, across the main street of every tiny little village, was a
banner reading (translated into English, of course) "Enter the
Coca-Cola Sweepstakes --- win a week-long vacation in Miami."
Doug McDonald
Matt Ackeret
Ralph Barbagallo <rbar...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
> Actually, he may be right. If I'm not mistaken, didn' they come
>out with DIET JOLT? (In a white can with red stripes).
It wasn't a 0 (some diet sodas do say 0 calories!) or 1 calorie
soda though. It was Jolt 25, 25 calories.. (Might have been 50 in a "whole"
can.. some sodas seem to think a can is 2 servings!)
Diet Mountain Dew, the best diet soda I've ever had [it doesn't taste
the same as regular Mountain Dew, but it's good in its own right], has like 6
calories... probably because it has a bit of real juice (or extracts) for
flavoring.
Tommy Usher
a...@crl.com (Anthony Farmer) writes:
>Hey! I LIKE Mello Yello. I just wish I could get it here in CA...
Great, the one person in the country who likes it, and he can't get
it. Figures.....;-)
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Jeff Zeitlin
JCK::>My observations:
JCK::>Coke Pepsi
::>---- -----
::>Anything with 'Coke' in the name Anything with 'Pepsi' in the name
::>Sprite 7-Up
::>Mr. Pibb Dr. Pepper
Hmmm... Around here, I tend to see Dr P in association with
Coke products, and Mr P not at all...
::>Squirt ?
::>Clear Tab Crystal Pepsi (duh!)
::>* Crush Slice (are there other flavors
::> besides Orange?)
Yes. There's lemon-lime (green packaging) and grape, and I've
occasionally seen apple and cherry-cola. But see below...
::>Minute Maid Orange ? (Slice again?)
I'd say that this is a better match than Crush/Slice; Slice is
10% juice, and so is Minute Maid. As I recall, there are other
(rare) MM flavors.
::>Fanta ?
Pepsi (used to) have a line of sodas marketed under the Patio
name. That would be the equate, here.
::>Mello-Yello Mtn. Dew
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>[...]
>When I visited Peru about 10 years ago, there was a heavily advertised
>soft drink called "Bimbo".
In a Latino supermarket here in L.A., I discovered that Bimbo is a
brand of toast. Yes, toast.
Say it with me: POWDERRRRRRRED TOOAAAAAST MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Reminds me, /and back on topic/, I'd nominate yerba-mate as the ideal
programmer's drink; esp. because, per serving, it's dirt cheap (as
even very expensive teas are) and, packs a good solid dose of caffeine.
(The subject of yerba-mate came up on alt.drugs recently when some
stoner complained that he'd imbibed tea made from yerba-mate and
didn't hallucinate, or have a near-death experience, or whatever he
expected to happen. O tempora, o mores, o Beavis, o Butthead!)
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wat...@ctron.com
In article <8068.11...@the-matrix.com>, <tommy...@the-matrix.com>
writes:
> >Hey! I LIKE Mello Yello. I just wish I could get it here in CA...
>
> Great, the one person in the country who likes it, and he can't get
> it. Figures.....;-)
> ---
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>
I like it too! I drink both Mt. Dew and Mellow Yellow.
-Clyde
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>
>I don't know about the others, but Mt. Dew originated here in Birmingham,
>AL. It was originally marketed in a bottle that was decorated with a
>bunch of caricatures of "hillbillies" and was apparently meant to cash in
>on the popularity of the show, "The Beverly Hillbillies."
Odd, I was told that Mountain Dew was nothing but used Fehling's
Solution.
Tom Buskey
: Hm. I'm not too sure about this. 7-up is sold in Pepsi machines around
: here (NW Washington State), and goes on sale at the same time, leading me
: to beleive that they are the same company (or that Pepsi distributes
: 7-up).
I used to work at a place & the soda (w/ Coke logo) machine had Coke
and Pepsi in it. Does this then mean that Coke owns/distributes
Pepsi? ;-) Just because they're sold at the same place/machine
doesn't mean they have the same source.
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Steve Glover
: Actually, he may be right. If I'm not mistaken, didn' they come
: out with DIET JOLT? (In a white can with red stripes).
This is not *quite* as silly as it sounds... Aspartame can have *weird*
effects on the appropriate metabolism
Steve (who did some work for Searle before Monsanto snarfed them to get
Nutrasweet -- before discovering Certain Things)
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Peter Hoffman
> On Mon, 27 Dec 1993 22:08:22 GMT, pe...@melanie.uucp (peter hoffman) said:
> Hoffman> d...@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
> >>> Speaking of soft drinks, yesterday I decided to go to Burger King
> >>> after a bit of studying when I noticed they had a new drink. It was called
> >>> Mr. Pip... amazingly it tasted EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper and the label on the
> >>> fountain even had the same color scheme. Has Coca-Cola renamed Dr. Pepper
> >>> or something? It still tastes like crap no matter what the name is...
> >> went to Delaware every summer to Grandma's (on the Chesapeake Bay) and while
> >> there the Dr. was not available, but Mr. Pibb was there in its place.
> Hoffman> in the lineups of Coca-Cola and Pepsi: Mt.Dew and Mello-Yello, Sprite and
> Hoffman> 7-Up, Coke and Pepsi -- there is a serious shortage of innovation in the
> is from an independent company.
> Hoffman> made by a small bottler and then either buy it or clone it. Check out
> Hoffman> "Cheerwine" (a Dr.Pepper/Mr.Pibb type drink) or "Kick-a-Poo Joy Juice" (if
> Hoffman> it is still around) which was a Mt.Dew/Mello-Yello type drink. Does anyone
> Hoffman> know more details as to who invented these drinks, their availability, or
> Hoffman> other trivia? Who is ripping off who?
Pepsi owns Mountain Dew and Coca-Cola owns Mello Yellow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Dew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mello_Yello
It's true that 7 Up is not a Pepsi or Coca-Cola product but it is true that it competes against Coca-Cola's Sprite and Pepsi's Sierra Mist which continues to confirm my point that there are parallel drinks and not a lot of innovation.
Has it really been 28 years? It seems like yesterday! :-)
Quadibloc
> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
> entity in the caffeine wars?
> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
Jolt is still around.
There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
John Savard
Quadibloc
> I remember long, long ago that Pepsi had an advertising jingle on the
> radio (I even seem to remember that it was the "first" such jingle,
> but I won't stand by that statement. Maybe someone knows.). It
> went like this:
> Pepsi Cola hits the spot!
> Twelve full ounces that's a lot!
> Twice as much for a nickel too,
> Pepsi Cola is the drink for you!
You can even hear it on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Nu9bh4g4U
John Savard
Quadibloc
> I don't know about the others, but Mt. Dew originated here in Birmingham,
> AL. It was originally marketed in a bottle that was decorated with a
> bunch of caricatures of "hillbillies" and was apparently meant to cash in
> on the popularity of the show, "The Beverly Hillbillies."
tie in with the comic strip Lil' Abner - named Kickapoo Joy Juice. I think that
Snapple was not licensed.
John Savard
Joe Pfeiffer
Mountain Dew was introduced in 1940, so it predates Beverly Hillbillies
by over twenty years. It originated in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Charlie Gibbs
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drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
content.
Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
phosphoric acid. Since then, I spotted it in other drinks.
I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
Dentistry be damned, eh?
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J. Clarke
<cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>On 2021-11-19, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 29, 1993 at 1:38:00 AM UTC-7, Tommy Usher wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know about the others, but Mt. Dew originated here in Birmingham,
>>> AL. It was originally marketed in a bottle that was decorated with a
>>> bunch of caricatures of "hillbillies" and was apparently meant to cash in
>>> on the popularity of the show, "The Beverly Hillbillies."
>>
>> I didn't know that. For a while in my area, there was a soft drink licensed
>> to tie in with the comic strip Lil' Abner - named Kickapoo Joy Juice. I think
>> that Snapple was not licensed.
>
>"It'll tickle yore innards!"
can't place it and now it's bugging me. Any idea where that might
have been?
Fred Smith
>
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>
>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>
>> Jolt is still around.
>>
>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>
> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.
>
Kerr-Mudd, John
>
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
> > On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole
> >> new entity in the caffeine wars?
> >> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
> >
> > Jolt is still around.
> >
> > There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now.
> > They're a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>
> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.
>
where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
still take a fortnight to disolve?)
> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
> phosphoric acid. Since then, I spotted it in other drinks.
>
> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>
about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
D.J.
talking about a Coke Cola float with that phosphate fizz.
D.J.
once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
for water in town.
Charlie Gibbs
down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate. That's about
the only reference that I remember.
And there was the myth where if you left a penny in a glass of Coca-Cola
overnight it would dissolve.
> And its reputation as a contraceptive douche?
Kerr-Mudd, John
D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
> <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you
> >feel about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!
> >)
>
> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
> for water in town.
you can't get some dose of radiation (hopefully very very low).
J. Clarke
wrote:
discovered--there were communities with unusually good teeth and
nobody could figure out what they were doing differently until the
analyzed the water.
Mike Spencer
ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
to it. I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
fillings pose no health risk whetever.
Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
area. Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.
It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
Attention to details.
Scott Lurndal
>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>content.
Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
J. Clarke
>
>D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>>> Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>>>
>>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>>
>> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
>> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
>> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
>> for water in town.
>
>With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
>ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
>established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
>engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
>to it. I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>fillings pose no health risk whetever.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
site where the ingredients are listed and include phosphoric acid with the
explanation that it is responsible for the tart flavour.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
D.J.
<m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>
>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>>> Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>>>
>>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>>
>> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
>> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
>> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
>> for water in town.
>
>With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
>ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
>established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
>engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
>to it. I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>fillings pose no health risk whetever.
they just scooped out one tooth and filled it with amalgam. When I had
a good health plan, I asked for that to be removed... the dentist said
they weren't a problem. I pointed out politely I was willing to try a
different dentist office. They did 'find' a cavity or two in those
teeth, and made the changes.
I do feel better. That dental work where that was removed, was back in
the 1980s/1990s. I have insisted on no amalgam since then.
No idea if this is an actual effect or not, but since then my
relatives have said I look healthier.
>Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
>area. Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
>drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.
to get water for the camp. It contained sulphur. They had to install a
reverse osmosis system to clean out the sulphur, then they added in
chlorine. At least that is my memory of it. I know when the water
purification failed, the water smelled of sulphur compunds.
They told us it wasn't bad for us, and it would keep the mosquitoes
away. Well, my personal experience is it lessened the number of
mosquitoes that buzzed around me head. Not all of them.
>It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
>read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
>A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
>cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
>cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
>of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
>forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
>over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
>like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
>Attention to details.
--
Jim
John Levine
>ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
>established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
>engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
>to it.
chlorine was used to kill soldiers in WW I. Dosages matter.
> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>fillings pose no health risk whetever.
--
Regards,
John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
Joy Beeson
> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
> fillings pose no health risk whetever.
in place poses less health risk than drilling them out.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
a.f.c. thread started Dec 16, 1993 with reference to Jolt (and high caffeine)
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/CBvKA_fBv58/m/N1VlfEI3AwAJ
there is a regular invitation only silicon valley conference, Jolt sent
truck of Jolt out to the conference for early beta test.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolt_Cola
--
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
Radey Shouman
> On 2021-11-20, Fred Smith <fr...@thejanitor.corp> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>>
>>>> Jolt is still around.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>>>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>>
>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>
> I remember seeing shows set around 1900 where a boy would take a girl
> down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate. That's about
> the only reference that I remember.
at home. I have not.
https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/
Scott Lurndal
Charlie Gibbs
> It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
> cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
> cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
> of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> What? You mean more isn't always better? My faith is shaken...
$ ls -i /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/more
68568 /usr/bin/less 68568 /usr/bin/more
Maus
recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
them.
--
grey...@mail.com
That's not a mousehole!
Maus
> On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
><m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>> fillings pose no health risk whetever.
>
> If I recall correctly, the assertion is that leaving amalgam fillings
> in place poses less health risk than drilling them out.
>
I keep my teeth in a glass beside the bed now.
Maus
> On 2021-11-21, Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
>> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
>> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
>> cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
>> cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
>> of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
>> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
>> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
>> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
> What? You mean more isn't always better? My faith is shaken...
>
spread a trace element on one field, the farmer walked up to the field
to check the job was done, and clover sprouthed on where the tiny
amount of dust was left as he walked away.
A local golf course had a new lawn manager, who spread something on the
greens which caused them to change color to deep purple. Their lease on
the land was conditional on their not spreading any. I never heard the
end of the story.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> > Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
> >>
> > Checks cherry coke can at hand:
> >
> > Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
> > Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
>
>
> There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly
Flavours".
> recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
> the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
> them.
it than they do from the Colombian processing labs that produce the nose
candy. Does anyone here know who runs them these days, presumably not still
the CIA as it was in the 1980s the last time I heard from someone who'd
seen it first hand.
Joe Makowiec
> I know the word "Drin" from somewhere (likely some story or other) but
> can't place it and now it's bugging me. Any idea where that might
> have been?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin
--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
Scott Lurndal
Scott Lurndal
>On 19 Nov 2021 in alt.folklore.computers, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> I know the word "Drin" from somewhere (likely some story or other) but
>> can't place it and now it's bugging me. Any idea where that might
>> have been?
>
>Maybe you're thinking of Larry Niven's Kzin?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin
D.J.
So I selected a soda to drink that didn't list it. I kept getting
headaches.... the opthamalist told me I was drinking something with
caffeine in it. Then I saw on the tv that the Orange Fanta I was
drinking had caffeine in it, but it was below the amount that required
it to be in the ingredients list on the can.
--
Jim
Niklas Karlsson
Niklas
--
At last, a weapon that blows up and sucks.
-- Mike Andrews
J. Clarke
<mako...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 19 Nov 2021 in alt.folklore.computers, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> I know the word "Drin" from somewhere (likely some story or other) but
>> can't place it and now it's bugging me. Any idea where that might
>> have been?
>
>Maybe you're thinking of Larry Niven's Kzin?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin
Andy Burns
> The ingredients are still available, should you want to try making one
> at home. I have not.
>
> https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/
Quadibloc
> I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
> where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
> in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
> still take a fortnight to disolve?)
John Savard