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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 24, 2017, 7:46:23 PM10/24/17
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Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
don't even own a pair of real shoes.
Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
running shoes or sneaks to work.
don't even own a pair of real shoes.
Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
running shoes or sneaks to work.
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Oct 24, 2017, 8:18:26 PM10/24/17
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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>
> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>
> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
> running shoes or sneaks to work.
and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>
> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>
> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
> running shoes or sneaks to work.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Oct 25, 2017, 6:01:19 AM10/25/17
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:18:16 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> > Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> > Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> > the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> > out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
> >
> > When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> > for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> > them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
> >
> > Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
> > running shoes or sneaks to work.
>
> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
I'd hope that's still the case, you don't want street dirt and grit
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> > Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> > Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> > the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> > out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
> >
> > When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> > for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> > them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
> >
> > Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
> > running shoes or sneaks to work.
>
> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
on the gym floor or the equipment.
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Quadibloc
Oct 25, 2017, 6:33:01 AM10/25/17
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Aside from people considering it improper to wear running shoes for
anything except athletic activities, back then, before container ships,
before the end of sanctions against Red China, and so on and so forth,
it's possible that running shoes were too expensive to wear routinely, as
I presume, because they're softer, that they wear out faster.
John Savard
anything except athletic activities, back then, before container ships,
before the end of sanctions against Red China, and so on and so forth,
it's possible that running shoes were too expensive to wear routinely, as
I presume, because they're softer, that they wear out faster.
John Savard
J. Clarke
Oct 25, 2017, 6:46:35 AM10/25/17
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shoe is a kind of sneaker but it is not the only kind, and I for one
was not even aware of "running shoes" until I read the second edition
of Kenneth Cooper's "Aerobics" in which he recommended the then very
expensive Adidas Country, which cost easily 3 times what a pair of
Keds cost.
Peter Flass
Oct 25, 2017, 7:21:12 AM10/25/17
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JimP
Oct 25, 2017, 7:48:30 AM10/25/17
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transferred to the US East Coast in the 1960s, the kids were wearing
slacks and dress shoes to high school. Absurd.
I know my first job after high school graduation, I had to wear black
slacks, white shirt, black tie, black dress shoes, and white socks. It
was for Burger Chef, working the moving chain grill and putting the
burgers together.
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Oct 25, 2017, 8:01:17 AM10/25/17
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On 25/10/2017 10:39, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:18:16 -0700
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
>
>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>>
>>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>
>> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
>
> I'd hope that's still the case, you don't want street dirt and grit
> on the gym floor or the equipment.
>
And in the 1960s, we failed our school exams if we used a ballpoint
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:18:16 -0700
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
>
>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>>
>>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>
>> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
>
> I'd hope that's still the case, you don't want street dirt and grit
> on the gym floor or the equipment.
>
pen instead of a fountain pen.
Whiskers
Oct 25, 2017, 8:10:08 AM10/25/17
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sole for grip on a cinder or grass running track. You certainly
wouldn't be welcome anywhere off the sports field wearing those.
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Whiskers
Oct 25, 2017, 8:20:28 AM10/25/17
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On 2017-10-25, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>
> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>
> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
Same here, except we called the shoes for the gym 'plimsolls' (and had
> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>
> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>
> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
to apply 'Blanko' the night before to ensure acceptable whiteness).
They were rather flimsy. 'Tennis shoes' were similar but more
substantial (and might be coloured).
> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
> running shoes or sneaks to work.
shoes. Training for what, I don't know. They seem to be much more
complicated to make than the old plimsolls, and advertisements claim all
sorts of dubious benefits. The ones for children with little LED lamps
in them do have some use at night.
jmfbahciv
Oct 25, 2017, 8:57:57 AM10/25/17
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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>
> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>
> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
Sneakers weren't forbidden but one had to have a different pair
> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>
> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>
> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
of sneakers for gym. The gym sneakers could not ever be used
for "outside of the gym" use. This rule was in place to keep
the gym floor in a pristine condition. Kids didn't wear sneakers
because they were useless in snow and on the farm. One couldn't
put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>
> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
> running shoes or sneaks to work.
back presses in on a set of nerves which is excruciating.
/BAH
Scott Lurndal
Oct 25, 2017, 9:37:17 AM10/25/17
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jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
>> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>>
>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>
>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>
>Sneakers weren't forbidden but one had to have a different pair
>of sneakers for gym. The gym sneakers could not ever be used
>for "outside of the gym" use. This rule was in place to keep
>the gym floor in a pristine condition. Kids didn't wear sneakers
>because they were useless in snow and on the farm. One couldn't
>put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
It's pretty easy to slide a pair
>hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
>> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>>
>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>
>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>
>Sneakers weren't forbidden but one had to have a different pair
>of sneakers for gym. The gym sneakers could not ever be used
>for "outside of the gym" use. This rule was in place to keep
>the gym floor in a pristine condition. Kids didn't wear sneakers
>because they were useless in snow and on the farm. One couldn't
>put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
of rubbers over casual shoes, whether they're canvas keds
or ultrafancy italian loafers. Then, as well as now.
Leaving aside the fact that even when you were that age,
farm kids made up a small minority of all children attending
school.
Charlie Gibbs
Oct 25, 2017, 10:15:22 AM10/25/17
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On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>
>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>
> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
> whether they're canvas keds or ultrafancy italian loafers.
> Then, as well as now.
True, but we referred to those as "overshoes" (which implies
their use), as opposed to "boots", which were not meant to be
worn over shoes.
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> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>
>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>
> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
> whether they're canvas keds or ultrafancy italian loafers.
> Then, as well as now.
their use), as opposed to "boots", which were not meant to be
worn over shoes.
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Charlie Gibbs
Oct 25, 2017, 10:15:22 AM10/25/17
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interchangeably, although the term "sneakers" wasn't as common
in this neck of the woods. This was before the days of boutique
purpose-built running shoes costing hundreds of dollars: we're
talking about good old rubber-soled canvas shoes which indeed
wouldn't stand up to nearly the wear that conventional leather
shoes would.
Nowadays, on the other hand, I wear my Merrells everywhere. They
last _much_ longer (and fit better) than those old canvas shoes.
Quadibloc
Oct 25, 2017, 10:33:55 AM10/25/17
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
shoes" were what people spoke of.
I'm not sure that soft-soled shoes not intended for athletic use were a
thing back then.
John Savard
Scott Lurndal
Oct 25, 2017, 11:33:43 AM10/25/17
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Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>
>Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>shoes" were what people spoke of.
In the 1960's, much of this was regional. It may be tennis shoes
>On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>
>Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>shoes" were what people spoke of.
in one region, sneakers in another and tenni-runners in yet a third.
Similar to Pop/Soda/Pepsi/Coke as generic terms for carbonated,
flavored and colored sugar water.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Oct 25, 2017, 11:41:12 AM10/25/17
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:47:55 -0500
JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not in Texas in the '50s. We wore sneakers. When my dad got
> transferred to the US East Coast in the 1960s, the kids were wearing
> slacks and dress shoes to high school. Absurd.
At high school in the 1970s I wore leather lace-up shoes, long grey
JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not in Texas in the '50s. We wore sneakers. When my dad got
> transferred to the US East Coast in the 1960s, the kids were wearing
> slacks and dress shoes to high school. Absurd.
trousers, shirt (blue, white or grey) and tie (school) and a blazer (navy
blue with school badge), I forget the rule on socks but they were certainly
plain. Optional items were a jumper (grey, specified style) and a school
cap.
Scott Lurndal
Oct 25, 2017, 1:10:09 PM10/25/17
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Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
It was when I was growing up as well, but my grandfather called his
overshoes "rubbers".
IIRC, it's also a term for an pencil eraser in the UK.
I remember seeing a billboard in Iowa once that offered two-bedroom condoms
for sale (presumably short for Condominium).
>On 2017-10-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>>
>>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>
>"Rubber" in this usage is a (obsolete) euphemism for condom in the UK.
>> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>>
>>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>
It was when I was growing up as well, but my grandfather called his
overshoes "rubbers".
IIRC, it's also a term for an pencil eraser in the UK.
I remember seeing a billboard in Iowa once that offered two-bedroom condoms
for sale (presumably short for Condominium).
JimP
Oct 25, 2017, 1:14:12 PM10/25/17
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and early 1960s. Mostly in Texas, but Maryland as well.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 25, 2017, 3:23:55 PM10/25/17
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On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 8:18:26 PM UTC-4, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
Yes, I remember that was a rule that was strictly enforced. At
> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
least enforced to us kids. If there was a night event at the
school and parents were roaming around the gym in their street
shoes, suddenly nobody had any problem with that.
In the old days, gymns (gynasia?) were rather small. For basketball,
the stands went right up to the foul line; you can see this in old
movies. Today, super gyms have tons of room; colleges pour a lot
of money into them.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 25, 2017, 3:33:09 PM10/25/17
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leather shoes. The top sneaker back then was a Converse--but
a lot of us had to settle for more affordable cheaper brands,
like a generic store brand.
In our area in the 1960s, kids quickly changed out of their school
shoes and school clothes into sneaks and play clothes as soon as
they came home. However, if we went visiting family, we had to
dress up*.
In the 1970s, Adidas came out with leather athletic shoes. They
were a lot more expensive but actually didn't wear as well. But
from that point on athletic shoes cost more. From time to time
(including today), the traditional Converse sneaks make a comeback
as a fashion statement. In our day Converse were available only
in black and white. Today, they're available in multiple colors,
including plaid.
* One year we had an unseasonably warm Thanksgiving. At dinner,
I noticed many of the men were wearing only shorts and a t-shirt,
and even flipflops. In contrast, I don't think my father ever
left the house without wearing a necktie and jacket.
We can see that on TV with Mannix--in its earliest seasons, Mannix
was always in a jacket and tie, even when chasing bad guys in an
abandoned warehouse. Indeed, in the first season, Mannix was
considered a renegade for wearing a sport coat instead of a full
suit. But in its last season, some years later, Mannix stopped
wearing a tie. Also, look at old TV shows, like Dick Van Dyke.
The adults are almost always wearing a tie or dress.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 25, 2017, 3:35:55 PM10/25/17
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 7:21:12 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> Heck, today lots of people are wearing flip-flops to work!
Flip-flops have been controversial. Some are clearly beach shoes
> Heck, today lots of people are wearing flip-flops to work!
and really not appropriate for work, even in an informal environment.
But some are more elaborate and are more like sandals, which are
acceptable.
Comp note 1: I don't think IBM literature used the term "flip flop"
very often.
Comp note 2: IBM had a key engineer named Birkenstock, which is also
the name of a type of sandal. I don't think there is any connection.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 25, 2017, 3:52:10 PM10/25/17
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 10:15:22 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> Back in the day, we used the terms "running shoes" and "sneakers"
> interchangeably, although the term "sneakers" wasn't as common
> in this neck of the woods. This was before the days of boutique
> purpose-built running shoes costing hundreds of dollars: we're
> talking about good old rubber-soled canvas shoes which indeed
> wouldn't stand up to nearly the wear that conventional leather
> shoes would.
Yes, before the fancy shoes came out, sneakers were the generic term
> Back in the day, we used the terms "running shoes" and "sneakers"
> interchangeably, although the term "sneakers" wasn't as common
> in this neck of the woods. This was before the days of boutique
> purpose-built running shoes costing hundreds of dollars: we're
> talking about good old rubber-soled canvas shoes which indeed
> wouldn't stand up to nearly the wear that conventional leather
> shoes would.
and the basic canvas/rubber sneaker served most informal play purposes.
Participants in organized sports did wear specialty shoes for that
sport, which often included spikes, as mentioned, those shoes were
worn only for the sport.
For afterschool play, leather shoes were uncomfortable--they were too
stiff to comfortably run around, jump, pivot, etc.
It should be noted that back then, parents had a great deal of
concern over proper footwear for growing kids. The dress shoe
and sneaker companies made a big deal about that (see ads:)
https://books.google.com/books?id=gj7EgqmTJQoC&lpg=PA19&dq=life%20keds&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=yHS7_t5VfnMC&lpg=PA36&dq=life%20converse&pg=PA36#v=onepage&q&f=false
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 25, 2017, 3:54:19 PM10/25/17
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:33:43 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Similar to Pop/Soda/Pepsi/Coke as generic terms for carbonated,
> flavored and colored sugar water.
In the east, we called a carbonated beverage "soda". When I
> Similar to Pop/Soda/Pepsi/Coke as generic terms for carbonated,
> flavored and colored sugar water.
visited Detroit, I had to adjust to calling it "pop" as soda
meant something else. I remember a clerk looking at me weird
when I asked for a "soda machine", then I remembered to say "pop".
(Side note: dental people keep telling me the stuff is bad,
even artificially sweetened.)
Dave Garland
Oct 25, 2017, 4:21:12 PM10/25/17
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adopt ballpoints than the UK, though personally I preferred a fountain
pen because the point slid on the paper easier, didn't skip, and the
writing just looked better so long as you didn't smudge it). But I did
have a teacher who deducted one point for every cap-"G" I wrote,
because she did not approve of the way I formed it (she obviously had
no difficulty understanding it, however).
I'm sure things like those still happen. There are no fewer petty
tyrants these days than there were then.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 25, 2017, 4:37:44 PM10/25/17
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:21:12 PM UTC-4, Dave Garland wrote:
> Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
> adopt ballpoints than the UK, though personally I preferred a fountain
> pen because the point slid on the paper easier, didn't skip, and the
> writing just looked better so long as you didn't smudge it). But I did
> have a teacher who deducted one point for every cap-"G" I wrote,
> because she did not approve of the way I formed it (she obviously had
> no difficulty understanding it, however).
> I'm sure things like those still happen. There are no fewer petty
> tyrants these days than there were then.
There were two styles of the capital "G". The older one looked
> Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
> adopt ballpoints than the UK, though personally I preferred a fountain
> pen because the point slid on the paper easier, didn't skip, and the
> writing just looked better so long as you didn't smudge it). But I did
> have a teacher who deducted one point for every cap-"G" I wrote,
> because she did not approve of the way I formed it (she obviously had
> no difficulty understanding it, however).
> I'm sure things like those still happen. There are no fewer petty
> tyrants these days than there were then.
like the trademark of General Mills (see ad below), the newer one
looked like the lower case g. At some point in the 1960s, handwriting
script styles were revised to be simpler. Some of the curlicues were
eliminated. However, different school districts adopted the different
styles at widely different times.
In this ad, the old style G for their trademark.
https://books.google.com/books?id=H08EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA87&dq=life%20general%20mills&pg=PA87#v=onepage&q=life%20general%20mills&f=false
Andy Leighton
Oct 25, 2017, 5:18:50 PM10/25/17
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:17:26 -0500, Dave Garland <dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 10/25/2017 6:45 AM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>> On 25/10/2017 10:39, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:18:16 -0700
>>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>>>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>>>>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>>>>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>>>>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>>>>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>>>>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>>>
>>>> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
>>>
>>> I'd hope that's still the case, you don't want street dirt and grit
>>> on the gym floor or the equipment.
>>>
>>
>> And in the 1960s, we failed our school exams if we used a ballpoint
>> pen instead of a fountain pen.
>>
> Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
> adopt ballpoints than the UK,
I'm not sure that was the case. It is more that the education system
> On 10/25/2017 6:45 AM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>> On 25/10/2017 10:39, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:18:16 -0700
>>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>>>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>>>>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>>>>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>>>>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>>>>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>>>>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>>>
>>>> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
>>>
>>> I'd hope that's still the case, you don't want street dirt and grit
>>> on the gym floor or the equipment.
>>>
>>
>> And in the 1960s, we failed our school exams if we used a ballpoint
>> pen instead of a fountain pen.
>>
> Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
> adopt ballpoints than the UK,
still favoured old technology. Even when I started at secondary
school in 1978 all course work had to be done in fountain/cartridge
pen. Notes could be taken in ballpoint or pencil but the fine copy
for homework had to be proper ink. Although there were some teachers
who let it slide. By the time I got to my O levels everyone was
using rollerballs.
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Andreas Kohlbach
Oct 25, 2017, 5:34:20 PM10/25/17
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> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
I cannot remember what I was wearing at elementary school (very early
> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
70s). Sure were sneakers in the late 70s until today. And that likely
won't ever change. *g*
> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
> running shoes or sneaks to work.
a crashed server to reboot?
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Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
you hang pickled eggs and pop-tops from your christmas tree.
Bob Eager
Oct 25, 2017, 5:49:05 PM10/25/17
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:03:46 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:47:55 -0500 JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not in Texas in the '50s. We wore sneakers. When my dad got transferred
>> to the US East Coast in the 1960s, the kids were wearing slacks and
>> dress shoes to high school. Absurd.
>
> At high school in the 1970s I wore leather lace-up shoes, long
grey
> trousers, shirt (blue, white or grey) and tie (school) and a blazer
> (navy blue with school badge), I forget the rule on socks but they were
> certainly plain. Optional items were a jumper (grey, specified style)
> and a school cap.
Most of the 60s for me:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:47:55 -0500 JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not in Texas in the '50s. We wore sneakers. When my dad got transferred
>> to the US East Coast in the 1960s, the kids were wearing slacks and
>> dress shoes to high school. Absurd.
>
> At high school in the 1970s I wore leather lace-up shoes, long
grey
> trousers, shirt (blue, white or grey) and tie (school) and a blazer
> (navy blue with school badge), I forget the rule on socks but they were
> certainly plain. Optional items were a jumper (grey, specified style)
> and a school cap.
Green blazer with school badge, white or grey shirt, grey trousers (with
limit on width of trouser legs at bottom). Optional pullover and/or
slipover (sleeveless pullover) both edged with school colours - plain not
permitted. School tie of course, compulsory. Cap compulsory until third
year, I think. Lace up shoes (elastic sides not permitted). Also had to
have white whorts and T-shirt for PE, dark shorts for field sports and a
short in house colours. White plimsolls (with Blanco on), and other
footwear such as football boots. Cost a fortune! The only optional thing
I ever got was the ice skates.
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J. Clarke
Oct 25, 2017, 8:22:23 PM10/25/17
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:33:54 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>
>Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>shoes" were what people spoke of.
Maybe wherever you were. In small town America they were "sneakers".
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>
>Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>shoes" were what people spoke of.
>I'm not sure that soft-soled shoes not intended for athletic use were a
>thing back then.
or early '60s. Note the shoes. Those were normal kid shoes for the
time, if the kid didn't have anal-retentive parents.
<https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjI0MTE0MDA1OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNjA0NjUyMjE@._V1_.jpg>
You saw similar on Leave It To Beaver, My Three Sons, and playgrounds
everywhere.
And here are a couple of ads from that era:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Q8WLdbFr4>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtOi96OYkz0>
ma...@mail.com
Oct 26, 2017, 5:10:32 AM10/26/17
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peculiar point, when I was going to school we were taught Gaelic
using the old Gaelic alphabet, it has changed since to a sort lof
Latin gibberish, but the Gaelic `Ge' (`Gay' ?) was very similiar to
the character that arabic uses for that sound.
--
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Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man
Peter Flass
Oct 26, 2017, 7:01:18 AM10/26/17
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blobs and didn't dry well, so it smeared.
--
Pete
Scott Lurndal
Oct 26, 2017, 9:09:03 AM10/26/17
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Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> writes:
>On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 16:46:22 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>
>I cannot remember what I was wearing at elementary school (very early
>70s). Sure were sneakers in the late 70s until today. And that likely
>won't ever change. *g*
>
>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>
>Aren't some (Microsoft) network admins called "sneaker admin", rushing to
>a crashed server to reboot?
Then there was the old sneaker-net method of transferring files.
>On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 16:46:22 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>
>I cannot remember what I was wearing at elementary school (very early
>70s). Sure were sneakers in the late 70s until today. And that likely
>won't ever change. *g*
>
>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>
>Aren't some (Microsoft) network admins called "sneaker admin", rushing to
>a crashed server to reboot?
Scott Lurndal
Oct 26, 2017, 9:11:31 AM10/26/17
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cursive writing.
jmfbahciv
Oct 26, 2017, 9:53:43 AM10/26/17
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Scott Lurndal wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
>>> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>>>
>>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>>
>>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>>
>>Sneakers weren't forbidden but one had to have a different pair
>>of sneakers for gym. The gym sneakers could not ever be used
>>for "outside of the gym" use. This rule was in place to keep
>>the gym floor in a pristine condition. Kids didn't wear sneakers
>>because they were useless in snow and on the farm. One couldn't
>>put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>
> It's pretty easy to slide a pair
> of rubbers over casual shoes, whether they're canvas keds
> or ultrafancy italian loafers. Then, as well as now.
I'm not talking about rubbers; those were for summer when it rained.
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> Today, most people wear sneakers almost all the time. Some kids
>>> don't even own a pair of real shoes.
>>>
>>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>>
>>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>>
>>Sneakers weren't forbidden but one had to have a different pair
>>of sneakers for gym. The gym sneakers could not ever be used
>>for "outside of the gym" use. This rule was in place to keep
>>the gym floor in a pristine condition. Kids didn't wear sneakers
>>because they were useless in snow and on the farm. One couldn't
>>put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>
> It's pretty easy to slide a pair
> of rubbers over casual shoes, whether they're canvas keds
> or ultrafancy italian loafers. Then, as well as now.
>
> Leaving aside the fact that even when you were that age,
> farm kids made up a small minority of all children attending
> school.
around here were a couple of houses, a gas station, the post
office and town hall. The rest of the population lived on
farms. All of my cousins on my mother's side lived on farms.
/BAH
jmfbahciv
Oct 26, 2017, 9:53:43 AM10/26/17
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Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>
>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>
>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>> whether they're canvas keds or ultrafancy italian loafers.
>> Then, as well as now.
>
> True, but we referred to those as "overshoes" (which implies
> their use), as opposed to "boots", which were not meant to be
> worn over shoes.
>
Overshoes were called rubbers here and only covered the shoe.
> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>
>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>
>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>> whether they're canvas keds or ultrafancy italian loafers.
>> Then, as well as now.
>
> True, but we referred to those as "overshoes" (which implies
> their use), as opposed to "boots", which were not meant to be
> worn over shoes.
>
Boots were mid-calf to prevent snow from getting the shoes wet.
/BAH
Scott Lurndal
Oct 26, 2017, 10:10:20 AM10/26/17
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jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair
>> of rubbers over casual shoes, whether they're canvas keds
>> or ultrafancy italian loafers. Then, as well as now.
>
>I'm not talking about rubbers; those were for summer when it rained.
Perhaps on your farm. Not on mine.
>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair
>> of rubbers over casual shoes, whether they're canvas keds
>> or ultrafancy italian loafers. Then, as well as now.
>
>I'm not talking about rubbers; those were for summer when it rained.
JimP
Oct 26, 2017, 11:12:22 AM10/26/17
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There may have been some in the big cities like Dallas and Houston,
but Texas in the 1950s and 1960s was still mostly farming and
ranching. I would say about one-third of my class mates lived on a
farm.
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Oct 26, 2017, 11:46:07 AM10/26/17
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On 25/10/2017 11:46, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:33:00 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> Aside from people considering it improper to wear running shoes for
>> anything except athletic activities, back then, before container ships,
>> before the end of sanctions against Red China, and so on and so forth,
>> it's possible that running shoes were too expensive to wear routinely, as
>> I presume, because they're softer, that they wear out faster.
>
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> Aside from people considering it improper to wear running shoes for
>> anything except athletic activities, back then, before container ships,
>> before the end of sanctions against Red China, and so on and so forth,
>> it's possible that running shoes were too expensive to wear routinely, as
>> I presume, because they're softer, that they wear out faster.
>
> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers. A running
> shoe is a kind of sneaker but it is not the only kind, and I for one
> was not even aware of "running shoes" until I read the second edition
> of Kenneth Cooper's "Aerobics" in which he recommended the then very
> expensive Adidas Country, which cost easily 3 times what a pair of
> Keds cost.
>
Daps, anyone?
> shoe is a kind of sneaker but it is not the only kind, and I for one
> was not even aware of "running shoes" until I read the second edition
> of Kenneth Cooper's "Aerobics" in which he recommended the then very
> expensive Adidas Country, which cost easily 3 times what a pair of
> Keds cost.
>
Dave Garland
Oct 26, 2017, 12:13:56 PM10/26/17
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1916 the name "Peds" was already trademarked by someone else). The
term "sneakers" apparently dates back to that era.
Charles Richmond
Oct 26, 2017, 12:58:26 PM10/26/17
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in handwriting. Post a link to the "new style" capital "G" please...
--
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Charles Richmond
Oct 26, 2017, 1:04:45 PM10/26/17
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On 10/25/2017 9:14 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>
>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>
> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>
>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>
>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>> whether they're canvas keds or ultrafancy italian loafers.
>> Then, as well as now.
>
>> whether they're canvas keds or ultrafancy italian loafers.
>> Then, as well as now.
>
> True, but we referred to those as "overshoes" (which implies
> their use), as opposed to "boots", which were not meant to be
> worn over shoes.
>
Except for "hip boots" or "waders" you'd wear if standing out in a
> their use), as opposed to "boots", which were not meant to be
> worn over shoes.
>
stream and fishing for trout... those "boots" were worn over the
regular footwear ISTR.
Charles Richmond
Oct 26, 2017, 1:07:01 PM10/26/17
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... if they know a girl and plan to "knock her up". :-)
Charlie Gibbs
Oct 26, 2017, 5:03:24 PM10/26/17
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> Comp note 1: I don't think IBM literature used the term "flip flop"
> very often.
At least until you got into the schematics.
> very often.
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Charlie Gibbs
Oct 26, 2017, 5:03:24 PM10/26/17
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On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2017-10-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>>
>> "Rubber" in this usage is a (obsolete) euphemism for condom in the UK.
>
> It was when I was growing up as well, but my grandfather called his
> overshoes "rubbers".
>
> IIRC, it's also a term for an pencil eraser in the UK.
>
> I remember seeing a billboard in Iowa once that offered two-bedroom condoms
> for sale (presumably short for Condominium).
"Shadow Valley Condoms: if you lived here, you'd be home by now."
> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2017-10-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>>
>> "Rubber" in this usage is a (obsolete) euphemism for condom in the UK.
>
> It was when I was growing up as well, but my grandfather called his
> overshoes "rubbers".
>
> IIRC, it's also a term for an pencil eraser in the UK.
>
> I remember seeing a billboard in Iowa once that offered two-bedroom condoms
> for sale (presumably short for Condominium).
-- Firesign Theatre
Dave Garland
Oct 26, 2017, 6:06:53 PM10/26/17
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it's "new".
Like a lowercase "g" but writ large. I've just always thought the
Palmer style cap-G was ugly.
https://type-ed.com/resources/rag-right/2013/08/01/loops-tails-script-logo-package-giveaway
That example is apparently from the logo for "Gardenburger". If I'd
written it, the upper part would be significantly bigger than the
lower part.
Dave Garland
Oct 26, 2017, 6:15:32 PM10/26/17
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were made of rubber (and probably had mechanical clasps to tighten
them on). To me, "boot" calls up an image of something that replaces
shoes completely, often made of leather or at least leather uppers.
This might be a regional vocabulary.
Alfred Falk
Oct 26, 2017, 7:49:05 PM10/26/17
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Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>
> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
> shoes" were what people spoke of.
In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would draw
a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized as an
American term.
> I'm not sure that soft-soled shoes not intended for athletic use were a
> thing back then.
The Addidas Rom came the market some time before 1965. I got my first pair
while in school that year. I occasionally wore them on the street but got
cat-calls for wierd shoes. A few years later they became fashionable. IIRC
they cost around $20 Cdn compared to $4 to $10 for conventinal canvas-topped
athletic shoes.
aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>
> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
> shoes" were what people spoke of.
a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized as an
American term.
> I'm not sure that soft-soled shoes not intended for athletic use were a
> thing back then.
while in school that year. I occasionally wore them on the street but got
cat-calls for wierd shoes. A few years later they became fashionable. IIRC
they cost around $20 Cdn compared to $4 to $10 for conventinal canvas-topped
athletic shoes.
Joy Beeson
Oct 26, 2017, 8:43:21 PM10/26/17
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:37:16 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
> Leaving aside the fact that even when you were that age,
> farm kids made up a small minority of all children attending
> school.
I don't think there were any non-farm kids in my elementary school.
Late forties, early fifties.
Canvas shoes were "gym shoes". I don't recall ever wearing them
outside the gym, but I had non-standard feet and wore prescription
shoes when I wore shoes at all. No saddle oxfords, sniff.
And now that I really am an old lady, old-lady shoes are nowhere to be
had. All the Amish women are wearing athletic shoes, which look
*really* odd with cape dresses.
--
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joy beeson at comcast dot net
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wrote:
> Leaving aside the fact that even when you were that age,
> farm kids made up a small minority of all children attending
> school.
Late forties, early fifties.
Canvas shoes were "gym shoes". I don't recall ever wearing them
outside the gym, but I had non-standard feet and wore prescription
shoes when I wore shoes at all. No saddle oxfords, sniff.
And now that I really am an old lady, old-lady shoes are nowhere to be
had. All the Amish women are wearing athletic shoes, which look
*really* odd with cape dresses.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
Peter Flass
Oct 27, 2017, 7:17:32 AM10/27/17
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<hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 10:15:22 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> Back in the day, we used the terms "running shoes" and "sneakers"
>> interchangeably, although the term "sneakers" wasn't as common
>> in this neck of the woods. This was before the days of boutique
>> purpose-built running shoes costing hundreds of dollars: we're
>> talking about good old rubber-soled canvas shoes which indeed
>> wouldn't stand up to nearly the wear that conventional leather
>> shoes would.
>
> Yes, before the fancy shoes came out, sneakers were the generic term
> and the basic canvas/rubber sneaker served most informal play purposes.
> Participants in organized sports did wear specialty shoes for that
> sport, which often included spikes, as mentioned, those shoes were
> worn only for the sport.
>
> For afterschool play, leather shoes were uncomfortable--they were too
> stiff to comfortably run around, jump, pivot, etc.
>
You wouldn't want to wear your "good" shoes out to play anyhow, too much
chance of getting them scuffed, wet, or muddy.
> It should be noted that back then, parents had a great deal of
> concern over proper footwear for growing kids. The dress shoe
> and sneaker companies made a big deal about that (see ads:)
> https://books.google.com/books?id=gj7EgqmTJQoC&lpg=PA19&dq=life%20keds&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=yHS7_t5VfnMC&lpg=PA36&dq=life%20converse&pg=PA36#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>
>
--
Pete
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 10:15:22 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> Back in the day, we used the terms "running shoes" and "sneakers"
>> interchangeably, although the term "sneakers" wasn't as common
>> in this neck of the woods. This was before the days of boutique
>> purpose-built running shoes costing hundreds of dollars: we're
>> talking about good old rubber-soled canvas shoes which indeed
>> wouldn't stand up to nearly the wear that conventional leather
>> shoes would.
>
> Yes, before the fancy shoes came out, sneakers were the generic term
> and the basic canvas/rubber sneaker served most informal play purposes.
> Participants in organized sports did wear specialty shoes for that
> sport, which often included spikes, as mentioned, those shoes were
> worn only for the sport.
>
> For afterschool play, leather shoes were uncomfortable--they were too
> stiff to comfortably run around, jump, pivot, etc.
>
You wouldn't want to wear your "good" shoes out to play anyhow, too much
chance of getting them scuffed, wet, or muddy.
> It should be noted that back then, parents had a great deal of
> concern over proper footwear for growing kids. The dress shoe
> and sneaker companies made a big deal about that (see ads:)
> https://books.google.com/books?id=gj7EgqmTJQoC&lpg=PA19&dq=life%20keds&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=yHS7_t5VfnMC&lpg=PA36&dq=life%20converse&pg=PA36#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>
>
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Peter Flass
Oct 27, 2017, 7:17:33 AM10/27/17
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<hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:33:43 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Similar to Pop/Soda/Pepsi/Coke as generic terms for carbonated,
>> flavored and colored sugar water.
>
> In the east, we called a carbonated beverage "soda". When I
> visited Detroit, I had to adjust to calling it "pop" as soda
> meant something else. I remember a clerk looking at me weird
> when I asked for a "soda machine", then I remembered to say "pop".
>
> (Side note: dental people keep telling me the stuff is bad,
> even artificially sweetened.)
>
IIRC the pop/soda line runs about thru central NY, growing up in Rochester
NY we always said "pop". i think in the south they use "ade", and/or some
other things. I think we've discussed this before.
--
Pete
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:33:43 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Similar to Pop/Soda/Pepsi/Coke as generic terms for carbonated,
>> flavored and colored sugar water.
>
> In the east, we called a carbonated beverage "soda". When I
> visited Detroit, I had to adjust to calling it "pop" as soda
> meant something else. I remember a clerk looking at me weird
> when I asked for a "soda machine", then I remembered to say "pop".
>
> (Side note: dental people keep telling me the stuff is bad,
> even artificially sweetened.)
>
IIRC the pop/soda line runs about thru central NY, growing up in Rochester
NY we always said "pop". i think in the south they use "ade", and/or some
other things. I think we've discussed this before.
--
Pete
Peter Flass
Oct 27, 2017, 7:17:34 AM10/27/17
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got a lot of blowback from parents when they tried to drop it.
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Peter Flass
Oct 27, 2017, 7:17:34 AM10/27/17
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Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Haven't heard that in a few years.
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Pete
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 27, 2017, 7:17:39 AM10/27/17
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Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in news:f5bp8aF5v7eU3
@mid.individual.net:
> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> in one region, sneakers in another and tenni-runners in yet a third.
>
> It varies across The Pond, also.
>
>
daps, plimsols, pumps, gymshoes, and (later) trainers. We read that the
Hardy boys etc had something called sneakers, and these were clearly not
just Bad Eggs that Told Tales, but some form of canvas footwear.
@mid.individual.net:
> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>>
>>>
>>>Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>>>shoes" were what people spoke of.
>>
>> In the 1960's, much of this was regional. It may be tennis shoes
>>>shoes" were what people spoke of.
>>
>> in one region, sneakers in another and tenni-runners in yet a third.
>
> It varies across The Pond, also.
>
>
daps, plimsols, pumps, gymshoes, and (later) trainers. We read that the
Hardy boys etc had something called sneakers, and these were clearly not
just Bad Eggs that Told Tales, but some form of canvas footwear.
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 27, 2017, 7:23:57 AM10/27/17
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Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in news:f5bv42F7295U1
London Rubber Company
>> It was when I was growing up as well, but my grandfather called his
>> overshoes "rubbers".
>>
>> IIRC, it's also a term for an pencil eraser in the UK.
>
> Correct. And that's still current.
>
And used as such in polite company.
>> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>>>On 2017-10-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>On 2017-10-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2017-10-25, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> One couldn't put boots on over a pair of sneakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty easy to slide a pair of rubbers over casual shoes,
>>>
>>>"Rubber" in this usage is a (obsolete) euphemism for condom in the UK.
>>
Short for Rubber Johnny (whoever he was) usually Durex brand, made by the
>>
London Rubber Company
>> It was when I was growing up as well, but my grandfather called his
>> overshoes "rubbers".
>>
>> IIRC, it's also a term for an pencil eraser in the UK.
>
>
And used as such in polite company.
Scott Lurndal
Oct 27, 2017, 8:55:49 AM10/27/17
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Alfred Falk <aef...@telus.net> writes:
>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
>aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>
>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>
>In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would draw
>a blank with Americans.
Except, perhaps in border states (such as North Dakota, where
>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
>aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>
>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>
>In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would draw
>a blank with Americans.
they did use the term runner, or tenni-runner.)
jmfbahciv
Oct 27, 2017, 9:14:45 AM10/27/17
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Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:37:16 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> Leaving aside the fact that even when you were that age,
>> farm kids made up a small minority of all children attending
>> school.
>
> I don't think there were any non-farm kids in my elementary school.
>
> Late forties, early fifties.
>
> Canvas shoes were "gym shoes". I don't recall ever wearing them
> outside the gym, but I had non-standard feet and wore prescription
> shoes when I wore shoes at all. No saddle oxfords, sniff.
I had the same pain ;-)
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:37:16 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> Leaving aside the fact that even when you were that age,
>> farm kids made up a small minority of all children attending
>> school.
>
> I don't think there were any non-farm kids in my elementary school.
>
> Late forties, early fifties.
>
> Canvas shoes were "gym shoes". I don't recall ever wearing them
> outside the gym, but I had non-standard feet and wore prescription
> shoes when I wore shoes at all. No saddle oxfords, sniff.
>
> And now that I really am an old lady, old-lady shoes are nowhere to be
> had. All the Amish women are wearing athletic shoes, which look
> *really* odd with cape dresses.
>
Are those the shoes which were black, laced up, and had a 1-inch square
> And now that I really am an old lady, old-lady shoes are nowhere to be
> had. All the Amish women are wearing athletic shoes, which look
> *really* odd with cape dresses.
>
heel? When I was a waitress at a truck stop, one of the cooks wore
those. I couldn't figure out why her feet didn't fall off; but I did
have very weak ankles and didn't wear heels very well.
/BAH
jmfbahciv
Oct 27, 2017, 9:14:45 AM10/27/17
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find any at the shoe stores. I looked for them on the net and
there was only one place which sold them. I called and asked
them to send Mom a catalog. I don't know if she ever got it.
/BAH
Anssi Saari
Oct 27, 2017, 10:10:55 AM10/27/17
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Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Although as I understand it, most american schools no longer teach
>> cursive writing.
>>
>
> I don't know what the percentage is - some do and some don't. Many schools
> got a lot of blowback from parents when they tried to drop it.
I wonder why. I had to write everything in cursive for the first six
years of school. As I have very little artistic talent, it never got
easy or fast so to me it was just an annoyance. And a huge relief
afterwards as I could (mostly) write as I damn well pleased.
Finland stopped teaching cursive writing last year.
> Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Although as I understand it, most american schools no longer teach
>> cursive writing.
>>
>
> I don't know what the percentage is - some do and some don't. Many schools
> got a lot of blowback from parents when they tried to drop it.
years of school. As I have very little artistic talent, it never got
easy or fast so to me it was just an annoyance. And a huge relief
afterwards as I could (mostly) write as I damn well pleased.
Finland stopped teaching cursive writing last year.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Oct 27, 2017, 12:00:05 PM10/27/17
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:07:04 -0500
Charles Richmond <nume...@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> ISTM that the British mean something different than the 'Merkins mean
> ... if they know a girl and plan to "knock her up". :-)
That either means knock on bedroom door to awaken or impregnate.
Charles Richmond <nume...@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> ISTM that the British mean something different than the 'Merkins mean
> ... if they know a girl and plan to "knock her up". :-)
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JimP
Oct 27, 2017, 12:13:55 PM10/27/17
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places I went for lunch in Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and
Virginia, called either Pepsi or CokaCola 'Coke' or 'Pepsi'.
JimP
Oct 27, 2017, 12:15:55 PM10/27/17
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back to cursive writing in schools. I pointed out that the best
cursive writer in my school was also the guy who beat up kids for
their lunch money. So such claims are nonsense.
ma...@mail.com
Oct 27, 2017, 12:25:43 PM10/27/17
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being able to type with one hand, which also holds the
phone. We will all finish grunting our needs to one
another.
--
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Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Oct 27, 2017, 12:56:27 PM10/27/17
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Peter Flass
Oct 27, 2017, 4:22:59 PM10/27/17
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script to write the same language. Most people there cannot read any
documents older than the early 1900s. It would be the same here if schools
stopped teaching cursive. Up until the typewriter came into wide use almost
everything was written in cursive: wills, deeds, immigration info, census,
etc. If it was no longer taught at an early age it would be almost like
trying to read a foreign language or decipher cuneiform.
--
Pete
Andreas Kohlbach
Oct 27, 2017, 4:24:54 PM10/27/17
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:49:04 -0000 (UTC), Alfred Falk wrote:
>
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
> aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>
>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>
> In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would draw
> a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized as an
> American term.
Suppose many Canadian words and terms are closer to these in Britain than
>
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
> aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>
>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>
> In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would draw
> a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized as an
> American term.
American English.
--
Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
you have flowers planted in a bathromm appliance in your front yard.
Peter Flass
Oct 27, 2017, 4:25:43 PM10/27/17
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them these days.
--
Pete
Peter Flass
Oct 27, 2017, 4:27:03 PM10/27/17
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Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:49:04 -0000 (UTC), Alfred Falk wrote:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
>> aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>>
>>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>>
>> In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would draw
>> a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized as an
>> American term.
>
> Suppose many Canadian words and terms are closer to these in Britain than
> American English.
Seems to be half-and-half, as though Canada were in the middle of the
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:49:04 -0000 (UTC), Alfred Falk wrote:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
>> aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>>
>>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>>
>> In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would draw
>> a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized as an
>> American term.
>
> Suppose many Canadian words and terms are closer to these in Britain than
> American English.
Atlantic.
--
Pete
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 27, 2017, 4:46:08 PM10/27/17
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 5:18:50 PM UTC-4, Andy Leighton wrote:
> >> And in the 1960s, we failed our school exams if we used a ballpoint
> >> pen instead of a fountain pen.
> >>
> > Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
> > adopt ballpoints than the UK,
>
> I'm not sure that was the case. It is more that the education system
> >> And in the 1960s, we failed our school exams if we used a ballpoint
> >> pen instead of a fountain pen.
> >>
> > Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
> > adopt ballpoints than the UK,
>
> still favoured old technology. Even when I started at secondary
> school in 1978 all course work had to be done in fountain/cartridge
> pen. Notes could be taken in ballpoint or pencil but the fine copy
> for homework had to be proper ink. Although there were some teachers
> who let it slide. By the time I got to my O levels everyone was
> using rollerballs.
IIRC, by the early 1960s ball point pens were perfected and widely
available. We used the 19c Bics. A few kids used cartridge
fountain pens, but more as a fad than formality. A few kids had
nicer ball points.
In the 1950s, banks and other formal institutions didn't recognize
ballpoint pens and didn't allow checks written by them. But that
restriction went away.
But, as mentioned above, some schools were rather conservative
and mandated fountain pen use for years. One of my friends
attended such a school--they had a big bottle of ink in the back
to refill the pen.
As mentioned, at work I used a fountain pen for a while as it
photocopied and faxed very well, much better than a ball point.
But it also would leak. If I used waterproof ink, it would stain
and be hard to get out, if I used washable ink, the tiniest drop
of water would wash away any writing.
As mentioned, a few years ago I could get ink at a neighborhood
stationery store, but they closed, and the big box stores don't
carry it. I kind of gave up on using fountain pens, I don't do
much handwriting. A lot of my checkwriting is now e-transfer.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 27, 2017, 4:51:36 PM10/27/17
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 5:49:05 PM UTC-4, Bob Eager wrote:
> Most of the 60s for me:
> Green blazer with school badge, white or grey shirt, grey trousers (with
> limit on width of trouser legs at bottom). Optional pullover and/or
> slipover (sleeveless pullover) both edged with school colours - plain not
> permitted. School tie of course, compulsory. Cap compulsory until third
> year, I think. Lace up shoes (elastic sides not permitted). Also had to
> have white whorts and T-shirt for PE, dark shorts for field sports and a
> short in house colours. White plimsolls (with Blanco on), and other
> footwear such as football boots. Cost a fortune! The only optional thing
> I ever got was the ice skates.
For gym in the late 1960s it seemed the wide uniform was simply
a white t-shirt, white trunks, and white socks. The student
guide said "white sneakers", but black was acceptable. Girls had
to wear this weird blue gymsuit. For cooler days, gray sweatsuit.
In the 1970s, some schools upgraded to a colored school t-shirt
and trunks.
Gym back then was kind of paramilitary. Some said it was to
prepare us (especially the gang showers) for military training
later on. But public school gym class wasn't too onerous--I
heard they were more demanding in parochial and suburban schools,
and private schools were very demanding. The public school gym
teachers liked to put on a tough-guy act, but in reality it seemed
they didn't care too much. Their big thing was that you showed up
and were dressed properly.
> Most of the 60s for me:
> Green blazer with school badge, white or grey shirt, grey trousers (with
> limit on width of trouser legs at bottom). Optional pullover and/or
> slipover (sleeveless pullover) both edged with school colours - plain not
> permitted. School tie of course, compulsory. Cap compulsory until third
> year, I think. Lace up shoes (elastic sides not permitted). Also had to
> have white whorts and T-shirt for PE, dark shorts for field sports and a
> short in house colours. White plimsolls (with Blanco on), and other
> footwear such as football boots. Cost a fortune! The only optional thing
> I ever got was the ice skates.
For gym in the late 1960s it seemed the wide uniform was simply
a white t-shirt, white trunks, and white socks. The student
guide said "white sneakers", but black was acceptable. Girls had
to wear this weird blue gymsuit. For cooler days, gray sweatsuit.
In the 1970s, some schools upgraded to a colored school t-shirt
and trunks.
Gym back then was kind of paramilitary. Some said it was to
prepare us (especially the gang showers) for military training
later on. But public school gym class wasn't too onerous--I
heard they were more demanding in parochial and suburban schools,
and private schools were very demanding. The public school gym
teachers liked to put on a tough-guy act, but in reality it seemed
they didn't care too much. Their big thing was that you showed up
and were dressed properly.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 27, 2017, 4:53:45 PM10/27/17
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On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 7:17:32 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> You wouldn't want to wear your "good" shoes out to play anyhow, too much
> chance of getting them scuffed, wet, or muddy.
Yes. Parents did NOT like it when that happened.
> You wouldn't want to wear your "good" shoes out to play anyhow, too much
> chance of getting them scuffed, wet, or muddy.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 27, 2017, 4:54:58 PM10/27/17
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On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Finland stopped teaching cursive writing last year.
How does someone sign their name?
> Finland stopped teaching cursive writing last year.
Alfred Falk
Oct 27, 2017, 6:15:30 PM10/27/17
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Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote in
news:87d158t...@usenet.ankman.de:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:49:04 -0000 (UTC), Alfred Falk wrote:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
>> aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>>
>>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>>
>> In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would
>> draw a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized
>> as an American term.
>
> Suppose many Canadian words and terms are closer to these in Britain
> than American English.
I think that used to be true. I don't know that it is so much now. Canada
used to have many unique slang words. I suspect not so much now. There was
even regional terms that would draw blanks in other parts of Canada. Of
coures the same is (or at least was) true of any other country more than a
few kilometers across.
news:87d158t...@usenet.ankman.de:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:49:04 -0000 (UTC), Alfred Falk wrote:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:85d5eafc-5dd3-4c82-b09d-
>> aa31e6...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> The discussion is not of "running shoes" but of sneakers.
>>>
>>> Back in the early 1960s, "sneakers" was a slang term, and "running
>>> shoes" were what people spoke of.
>>
>> In Canada. The term "runner" was also widely used in Canada but would
>> draw a blank with Americans. "Sneaker" was never used, but recognized
>> as an American term.
>
> Suppose many Canadian words and terms are closer to these in Britain
> than American English.
used to have many unique slang words. I suspect not so much now. There was
even regional terms that would draw blanks in other parts of Canada. Of
coures the same is (or at least was) true of any other country more than a
few kilometers across.
D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
Oct 27, 2017, 7:12:01 PM10/27/17
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In article <87d1594...@usenet.ankman.de>,
Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:09:02 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> writes:
>> Then there was the old sneaker-net method of transferring files.
>Oh yes, did that too in the 80s. Swapping some software for my 8Bit I had
>to run to the friend's house (or he to me). Wore out a lot of sneakers
>back in the day. ;-)
And then there was the time in the mid-late '80s, when I designed a
distributed database with record locking, using sneakernet and dBase III
(or was it II? ... I think it was III) for a client's client who
insisted that actual networking was out of the question, not even ARCnet
over surplus telephone wires[*]. That project was a horrorshow in a
bunch of different ways (my employer was called in as a subcontractor to
try to bail out the principle contractor, who had folks with technical
chops but had let a terrible client get the upper hand in how the
contract was written), but I did get some stories from it. Including
having designed a working implementation of the aforementioned
abomination (as long as somebody did stick a magic diskette into each PC
at the start and end of each working day).
[*] "We're in a temporary office, so we're not allowed to install a
network." It was a US government office, so "temporary" could mean
decades. Were there phones at each desk and could they requisition
additional phone lines? "Yes, of course." So why not requisition an
extra phone line, then use that wire to run ARCnet? "Because that would
be installing a network, and we're not allowed to do that because it's a
temporary location." *sigh*
--
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Due to hand/wrist problems my newsreading time varies so I may miss followups.
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."
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Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:09:02 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> writes:
>> Then there was the old sneaker-net method of transferring files.
>Oh yes, did that too in the 80s. Swapping some software for my 8Bit I had
>to run to the friend's house (or he to me). Wore out a lot of sneakers
>back in the day. ;-)
And then there was the time in the mid-late '80s, when I designed a
distributed database with record locking, using sneakernet and dBase III
(or was it II? ... I think it was III) for a client's client who
insisted that actual networking was out of the question, not even ARCnet
over surplus telephone wires[*]. That project was a horrorshow in a
bunch of different ways (my employer was called in as a subcontractor to
try to bail out the principle contractor, who had folks with technical
chops but had let a terrible client get the upper hand in how the
contract was written), but I did get some stories from it. Including
having designed a working implementation of the aforementioned
abomination (as long as somebody did stick a magic diskette into each PC
at the start and end of each working day).
[*] "We're in a temporary office, so we're not allowed to install a
network." It was a US government office, so "temporary" could mean
decades. Were there phones at each desk and could they requisition
additional phone lines? "Yes, of course." So why not requisition an
extra phone line, then use that wire to run ARCnet? "Because that would
be installing a network, and we're not allowed to do that because it's a
temporary location." *sigh*
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cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read. Whether
they have seen cursive before or not.
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Charlie Gibbs
Oct 27, 2017, 7:38:05 PM10/27/17
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On 2017-10-27, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-10-27, ma...@mail.com <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-27, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Young people have moved from cursive to texting. Imagine
>> being able to type with one hand, which also holds the
>> phone.
>
> Showing your age. They hold the phone with both hands and type with
> two thumbs. Until they walk into you, at least.
But there's a solution to that coming soon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Wpc9s35ZY
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> On 2017-10-27, ma...@mail.com <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-27, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Young people have moved from cursive to texting. Imagine
>> being able to type with one hand, which also holds the
>> phone.
>
> two thumbs. Until they walk into you, at least.
But there's a solution to that coming soon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Wpc9s35ZY
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Charlie Gibbs
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On 2017-10-26, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:09:02 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> writes:
>>
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:09:02 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 16:46:22 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>>
>>> Aren't some (Microsoft) network admins called "sneaker admin", rushing to
>>>
>>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>>
>>> a crashed server to reboot?
>>
>> Then there was the old sneaker-net method of transferring files.
>
> Oh yes, did that too in the 80s. Swapping some software for my 8Bit I had
> to run to the friend's house (or he to me). Wore out a lot of sneakers
> back in the day. ;-)
I once sent someone a 50K file. Took half an hour at 300 bps.
>> Then there was the old sneaker-net method of transferring files.
>
> Oh yes, did that too in the 80s. Swapping some software for my 8Bit I had
> to run to the friend's house (or he to me). Wore out a lot of sneakers
> back in the day. ;-)
If he had been next door, sneakernet would have been faster.
Joy Beeson
Oct 27, 2017, 9:30:19 PM10/27/17
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:35:48 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read. Whether
> they have seen cursive before or not.
I remember being unable to "read writing". I don't remember being
unable to read books. (Mom used to tell how she traced the sound of
snivels to me, reading "Black Beauty" in my crib.)
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wrote:
> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read. Whether
> they have seen cursive before or not.
unable to read books. (Mom used to tell how she traced the sound of
snivels to me, reading "Black Beauty" in my crib.)
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Joy Beeson
Oct 27, 2017, 9:50:09 PM10/27/17
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On 27 Oct 2017 13:14:27 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
> Are those the shoes which were black, laced up, and had a 1-inch square
> heel? When I was a waitress at a truck stop, one of the cooks wore
> those. I couldn't figure out why her feet didn't fall off; but I did
> have very weak ankles and didn't wear heels very well.
My prescription shoes were black and laced up, but the heel was full
> Are those the shoes which were black, laced up, and had a 1-inch square
> heel? When I was a waitress at a truck stop, one of the cooks wore
> those. I couldn't figure out why her feet didn't fall off; but I did
> have very weak ankles and didn't wear heels very well.
size. It was rather thick -- probably to accommodate women with
shrunken tendons from having worn heel shoes in their youth.
I was last able to buy them in a little shop on Maiden Lane in Albany,
New York. On my first trip after the old man who fitted them had
died, I bought what he'd given me the last time, but it didn't work.
And now plain, sensible shoes aren't available in *any* size.
So in the winter I wear black sandals with black socks. Haven't had a
corn in years.
Mike Spencer
Oct 28, 2017, 1:49:13 AM10/28/17
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Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
> I was last able to buy them in a little shop on Maiden Lane in Albany,
> New York. On my first trip after the old man who fitted them had
> died, I bought what he'd given me the last time, but it didn't work.
> And now plain, sensible shoes aren't available in *any* size.
dress uniforms? With women in the forces, they should be available in
women's sizes.
I was issued a pair of SBFSs in ROTC in '59. They finally gave up in
1984, due to having stepped in an outflow of some kind of nasty
chemical in Toronto. I always assumed I could find another pair.
What do FBI agents wear now? The SBFS appelation is from the 60s when
a grotty, bearded, long-haired, bedenimed, pot-smoking, bead-wearing,
banjo-picking drug peddler could be allegedly be detected as a TLA
plant because he couldn't bear to give up the SBFSs.
--
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Mike Spencer
Oct 28, 2017, 2:17:30 AM10/28/17
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Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> writes:
> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> I read an article about Turkey, when they shifted from arabic to
>> latin script to write the same language. Most people there cannot
>> read any documents older than the early 1900s. It would be the same
>> here if schools stopped teaching cursive. Up until the typewriter
>> came into wide use almost everything was written in cursive: wills,
>> deeds, immigration info, census, etc. If it was no longer taught at
>> an early age it would be almost like trying to read a foreign
>> language or decipher cuneiform.
>
> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read.
> Whether they have seen cursive before or not.
Taking German in the late 50s, we were taught to read the old-style
Fraktur but not German "Kurrent" cursive. Since those classes I've never
encountered a modern book that wasn't in common Roman typeface but I'm
grateful for the classes because I have a number of interesting *old*
books including a Bible and a circa 1900 German/English dictionary
that use the old face.
The few instances of German cursive I've encountered were utterly
impenetrable.
> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> I read an article about Turkey, when they shifted from arabic to
>> latin script to write the same language. Most people there cannot
>> read any documents older than the early 1900s. It would be the same
>> here if schools stopped teaching cursive. Up until the typewriter
>> came into wide use almost everything was written in cursive: wills,
>> deeds, immigration info, census, etc. If it was no longer taught at
>> an early age it would be almost like trying to read a foreign
>> language or decipher cuneiform.
>
> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read.
> Whether they have seen cursive before or not.
Fraktur but not German "Kurrent" cursive. Since those classes I've never
encountered a modern book that wasn't in common Roman typeface but I'm
grateful for the classes because I have a number of interesting *old*
books including a Bible and a circa 1900 German/English dictionary
that use the old face.
The few instances of German cursive I've encountered were utterly
impenetrable.
ma...@mail.com
Oct 28, 2017, 5:50:33 AM10/28/17
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sort of code, with all sort of shortcuts. There are
pictures online, or at least were, of the documents that
are kept in Seville concerning the passage of the treasure
fleets across the Atlantic. The Script was very ornate.
Turkish has been used by a vast number of tribes, and in a
large number of alphabets.
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ma...@mail.com
Oct 28, 2017, 5:56:34 AM10/28/17
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International organization, and it was checked by several
`experts', including Hugh Trevor-Roper, and passed as
genuine. For some reason it was sent to another expert, who
pointed out that its was written in the `old' German
cursive, whereas Hitler used the 'new'.
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Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man
ma...@mail.com
Oct 28, 2017, 6:00:42 AM10/28/17
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can write, write `[name] , his mark'.
:)
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J. Clarke
Oct 28, 2017, 8:29:43 AM10/28/17
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On 28 Oct 2017 03:17:07 -0300, Mike Spencer
I suspect that that has more to do with the skills of the writer. My
cursive is impenetrable even to me. However I came across some school
papers and letters from the late 1800s and that guy was perfectly
legible, not because he was doing anything different from what I try
to do but because he was doing it so _well_.
cursive is impenetrable even to me. However I came across some school
papers and letters from the late 1800s and that guy was perfectly
legible, not because he was doing anything different from what I try
to do but because he was doing it so _well_.
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Oct 28, 2017, 8:46:37 AM10/28/17
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On 28/10/2017 13:29, J. Clarke wrote:
> ... My
> cursive is impenetrable even to me. ...
You are a medical practitioner who writes out
prescriptions AICMFP! :-)
For the benefit of the Yanks; some years ago,
a Brit newspaper, the Daily Mail, ISTR, had a
character with the unlikely name of Lobby Ludd
who roamed from town to town, and the prize for
identifying him was £5 when £5 was nearly a week's
take-home pay for most people.
You had to say to him, "You are Lobby Ludd and I claim my five pounds.".
AICMFP ... "and I claim my five pounds".
> ... My
> cursive is impenetrable even to me. ...
You are a medical practitioner who writes out
prescriptions AICMFP! :-)
For the benefit of the Yanks; some years ago,
a Brit newspaper, the Daily Mail, ISTR, had a
character with the unlikely name of Lobby Ludd
who roamed from town to town, and the prize for
identifying him was £5 when £5 was nearly a week's
take-home pay for most people.
You had to say to him, "You are Lobby Ludd and I claim my five pounds.".
AICMFP ... "and I claim my five pounds".
JimP
Oct 28, 2017, 9:26:57 AM10/28/17
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Stupidity".
ma...@mail.com
Oct 28, 2017, 9:43:52 AM10/28/17
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On 2017-10-27, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-10-27, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-27, ma...@mail.com <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-10-27, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Young people have moved from cursive to texting. Imagine
>>> being able to type with one hand, which also holds the
>>> phone.
>>
>> Showing your age. They hold the phone with both hands and type with
>> two thumbs. Until they walk into you, at least.
>
> But there's a solution to that coming soon:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Wpc9s35ZY
>
Does not load, but from the recommendations alongside, I
> On 2017-10-27, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-27, ma...@mail.com <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-10-27, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Young people have moved from cursive to texting. Imagine
>>> being able to type with one hand, which also holds the
>>> phone.
>>
>> Showing your age. They hold the phone with both hands and type with
>> two thumbs. Until they walk into you, at least.
>
> But there's a solution to that coming soon:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Wpc9s35ZY
>
get the general idea.
There was a book once, by a polish author, translated, and
in one instance, there was a problem with a man and a woman
who could not understand each other, so it went on, "He
indicated his need". Great phrase.
--
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Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man
jmfbahciv
Oct 28, 2017, 10:55:41 AM10/28/17
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JimP wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:17:33 -0400, Peter Flass
> <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Dave Garland <dave.g...@wizinfo.com> writes:
>>>> On 10/25/2017 6:45 AM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>>>>> On 25/10/2017 10:39, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:17:33 -0400, Peter Flass
> <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Dave Garland <dave.g...@wizinfo.com> writes:
>>>> On 10/25/2017 6:45 AM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:18:16 -0700
>>>>>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>>>>>>> Back in the early 1960s, things were different. On a Leave it to
>>>>>>>> Beaver episode, Beaver joined a basketball team. The coach told
>>>>>>>> the kids to come next time wearing sneakers, and Ward had to go
>>>>>>>> out and buy a pair for the Beaver.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I attended elementary school, sneakers were forbidden except
>>>>>>>> for gym class. We had to bring them separately and change into
>>>>>>>> them just for gym, then change back into shoes afterwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>>>>>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and you couldn't wear street shoes on gym floor.
>>>>>>>> Fast forward to today at the office--lots of people wearing
>>>>>>>> running shoes or sneaks to work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd hope that's still the case, you don't want street dirt and grit
>>>>>> on the gym floor or the equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And in the 1960s, we failed our school exams if we used a ballpoint
>>>>> pen instead of a fountain pen.
>>>>>
>>>> Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
>>>> adopt ballpoints than the UK, though personally I preferred a fountain
>>>>>
>>>>> And in the 1960s, we failed our school exams if we used a ballpoint
>>>>> pen instead of a fountain pen.
>>>>>
>>>> Don't recall that happening here (the US may have been quicker to
>>>> pen because the point slid on the paper easier, didn't skip, and the
>>>> writing just looked better so long as you didn't smudge it). But I did
>>>> have a teacher who deducted one point for every cap-"G" I wrote,
>>>> because she did not approve of the way I formed it (she obviously had
>>>> no difficulty understanding it, however).
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure things like those still happen. There are no fewer petty
>>>> tyrants these days than there were then.
>>>
>>> Although as I understand it, most american schools no longer teach
>>> cursive writing.
>>>
>>
>>I don't know what the percentage is - some do and some don't. Many schools
>>got a lot of blowback from parents when they tried to drop it.
>
>>> Although as I understand it, most american schools no longer teach
>>> cursive writing.
>>>
>>
>>I don't know what the percentage is - some do and some don't. Many schools
>>got a lot of blowback from parents when they tried to drop it.
>
> I heard some claims locally that it would 'stop crime' if schools went
> back to cursive writing in schools. I pointed out that the best
> cursive writer in my school was also the guy who beat up kids for
> their lunch money. So such claims are nonsense.
Kids had to learn cursive writing so they could sign checks, contracts,
> back to cursive writing in schools. I pointed out that the best
> cursive writer in my school was also the guy who beat up kids for
> their lunch money. So such claims are nonsense.
etc. Banks wouldn't accept a printed signature.
/BAH
jmfbahciv
Oct 28, 2017, 10:55:41 AM10/28/17
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Joy Beeson wrote:
> On 27 Oct 2017 13:14:27 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Are those the shoes which were black, laced up, and had a 1-inch square
>> heel? When I was a waitress at a truck stop, one of the cooks wore
>> those. I couldn't figure out why her feet didn't fall off; but I did
>> have very weak ankles and didn't wear heels very well.
>
> My prescription shoes were black and laced up, but the heel was full
> size. It was rather thick -- probably to accommodate women with
> shrunken tendons from having worn heel shoes in their youth.
>
> I was last able to buy them in a little shop on Maiden Lane in Albany,
> New York. On my first trip after the old man who fitted them had
> died, I bought what he'd given me the last time, but it didn't work.
> And now plain, sensible shoes aren't available in *any* size.
If you had an old pair, there are (or were) shoe experts in Hong Kong
> On 27 Oct 2017 13:14:27 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Are those the shoes which were black, laced up, and had a 1-inch square
>> heel? When I was a waitress at a truck stop, one of the cooks wore
>> those. I couldn't figure out why her feet didn't fall off; but I did
>> have very weak ankles and didn't wear heels very well.
>
> My prescription shoes were black and laced up, but the heel was full
> size. It was rather thick -- probably to accommodate women with
> shrunken tendons from having worn heel shoes in their youth.
>
> I was last able to buy them in a little shop on Maiden Lane in Albany,
> New York. On my first trip after the old man who fitted them had
> died, I bought what he'd given me the last time, but it didn't work.
> And now plain, sensible shoes aren't available in *any* size.
who could make them.
>
> So in the winter I wear black sandals with black socks. Haven't had a
> corn in years.
I have a nephew who wears sandals even when there's 2 feet of snow
> So in the winter I wear black sandals with black socks. Haven't had a
> corn in years.
on the ground. My feet would instantly freeze and I hate cold
feet.
/BAH
jmfbahciv
Oct 28, 2017, 10:55:41 AM10/28/17
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Aren't totes so flexible that they can be rolled up? The rubbers my folks
liked couldn't.
/BAH
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Oct 28, 2017, 11:30:05 AM10/28/17
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On 27 Oct 2017 23:37:14 GMT
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Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> I once sent someone a 50K file. Took half an hour at 300 bps.
> If he had been next door, sneakernet would have been faster.
Two and a half megabytes and you could have posted it.
> I once sent someone a 50K file. Took half an hour at 300 bps.
> If he had been next door, sneakernet would have been faster.
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Dan Espen
Oct 28, 2017, 11:31:08 AM10/28/17
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Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:35:48 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
>> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read. Whether
>> they have seen cursive before or not.
>
> I remember being unable to "read writing". I don't remember being
> unable to read books. (Mom used to tell how she traced the sound of
> snivels to me, reading "Black Beauty" in my crib.)
You must have been barely familiar with printed writing.
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:35:48 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
>> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read. Whether
>> they have seen cursive before or not.
>
> I remember being unable to "read writing". I don't remember being
> unable to read books. (Mom used to tell how she traced the sound of
> snivels to me, reading "Black Beauty" in my crib.)
Every classroom I was ever in besides Kindergarten had the
cursive script right there in big letters above the blackboard
to stare at all day. Public schools, NYC.
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Dan Espen
Oct 28, 2017, 11:36:32 AM10/28/17
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCtterlin#/media/File:S%C3%BCtterlin.svg
(Use arrow on right to scroll through translations.)
--
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Dave Garland
Oct 28, 2017, 12:01:47 PM10/28/17
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clear. I don't think she had trouble with the bank (though by the time
I was born she'd have had them beaten into submission), but the
Department of Motor Vehicles clerk was a perennial problem. She'd come
back fuming that the clerk had refused to accept her signature and
she'd had to "forge" it a way she didn't write.
JimP
Oct 28, 2017, 1:21:47 PM10/28/17
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rubber boots with metal clips/latches on the front. The seal wasn't
very good. If I walked through slushy ice, my feet got wet.
And the ones I remember going over shoes, didn't roll up, were called
galoshes.
Peter Flass
Oct 28, 2017, 1:42:36 PM10/28/17
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many of those old documents. Everyone's (and every era's) style of cursive
was different. Some people had beautiful handwriting and some not so much.
I often have to look over the whole document to identify a letter that's
written a bit "differently."
--
Pete
Peter Flass
Oct 28, 2017, 1:42:37 PM10/28/17
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Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> I read an article about Turkey, when they shifted from arabic to
>>> latin script to write the same language. Most people there cannot
>>> read any documents older than the early 1900s. It would be the same
>>> here if schools stopped teaching cursive. Up until the typewriter
>>> came into wide use almost everything was written in cursive: wills,
>>> deeds, immigration info, census, etc. If it was no longer taught at
>>> an early age it would be almost like trying to read a foreign
>>> language or decipher cuneiform.
>>
>> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
>> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read.
>> Whether they have seen cursive before or not.
>
> Taking German in the late 50s, we were taught to read the old-style
> Fraktur but not German "Kurrent" cursive. Since those classes I've never
> encountered a modern book that wasn't in common Roman typeface
Thank the nazis for that.
> Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> I read an article about Turkey, when they shifted from arabic to
>>> latin script to write the same language. Most people there cannot
>>> read any documents older than the early 1900s. It would be the same
>>> here if schools stopped teaching cursive. Up until the typewriter
>>> came into wide use almost everything was written in cursive: wills,
>>> deeds, immigration info, census, etc. If it was no longer taught at
>>> an early age it would be almost like trying to read a foreign
>>> language or decipher cuneiform.
>>
>> It would be almost like reading a foreign language except that
>> cursive writing is easily understood by anyone that can read.
>> Whether they have seen cursive before or not.
>
> Taking German in the late 50s, we were taught to read the old-style
> Fraktur but not German "Kurrent" cursive. Since those classes I've never
> encountered a modern book that wasn't in common Roman typeface
> but I'm
> grateful for the classes because I have a number of interesting *old*
> books including a Bible and a circa 1900 German/English dictionary
> that use the old face.
up.
>
> The few instances of German cursive I've encountered were utterly
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