Real Genius etc
Scott A Yanoff
>
> I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
> Any ideas?
I would suggest: The Manhatten Project
with John Lithgow
It is about a high-schooler who builds his own nuclear bomb.
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Jeff Robertson
> From article <3833o8$9...@plato.simons-rock.edu>, by ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu (Daniel Drucker):
> >
> > I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
> > Any ideas?
> I would suggest: The Manhatten Project
> with John Lithgow
> It is about a high-schooler who builds his own nuclear bomb.
Good movie when I saw it, but that was several years ago so I have
forgotten a lot of it. Maybe I'll see it again.
Other suggestions:
"My Science Project", maybe ?
Does "Weird Science" count ?
"Good Vibes" (I think thats what its called) the episode of Amazing Stories
about the guys who contact the I_Love_Lucy-watching aliens.
Also on that theme, but probably out of your category, is a movie called
"Explorers" about several younger kids (about the same age as The Goonies)
who build a spaceship...
The short-lived tv series "Whiz Kids". (also the name of comics given
away at Radio Shack... hell they might still give those things away.
they contained lots of plugs for the TRS-80...)
Stretching the limits again, "Zapped" with Scott Baio.
A couple of Wargames-inspired episodes of "Knight Rider" about KITT being
hacked by a teenager employed by some evil schemestress.
"The Greatest American Hero" also had one, I think.
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>>> I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>>> Any ideas?
>How 'bout The Forbin Project from about 1974. Details are a bit sketchy
>after 20 years, but I remember a self-aware machine gaining control
>of the nation's nuclear defenses. Anybody remember details?
"The Forbin Project" was the first of a three-book series about
computers taking over the world. It was made into a movie called
"Collosus" or "Collosus: The Forbin Project." The basic plot of the
first book was that the US's defense computer -- it control's all the
nation's missiles, etc. -- learns that the Soviets have a similar
computer and demands to be put into communication with it. The two
machines link up and take over the world (details left as an exercise
-- reading the book or viewing the film).
In the end, Dr. Forbin, the computer's creator, becomes somewhat of a
high priest to the religion of the computers' deity. It takes until
the third book, "The Fall of Collosus," to resolve all the details.
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Pete Ehlke
>From article <3833o8$9...@plato.simons-rock.edu>, by ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu (Daniel Drucker):
>>
>> I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>> Any ideas?
> I would suggest: The Manhatten Project
> with John Lithgow
> It is about a high-schooler who builds his own nuclear bomb.
[yanked your .sig. sorry...]
How 'bout The Forbin Project from about 1974. Details are a bit sketchy
after 20 years, but I remember a self-aware machine gaining control
of the nation's nuclear defenses. Anybody remember details?
Pete
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Scott - Maxwell
>
>Was Dennis Hopper in this movie? I remember seeing someone that looked like hi
m
>.I'm thinking of the teacher that gets caught in the time traveling senerio in
>the film. Oops, if you haven't seen it, I just spoiled it for you. :)
>
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: Decent flick.
: You might try Electirc Dreams. Good movie, excellent soundtrack.
Wow, I miss this one; I haven't seen it in years.
Steven King [Really!]
>>: I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>>: Any ideas?
>
>Has anyone mentioned _Sneakers_?
I would have *loved* to see River Phoenix replaced by Matthew Broderick
in Sneakers. And then a throw-away line something along the lines of,
"Yeah, I got into a bit of trouble a few years ago with a NORAD
computer. I'd rather not talk about it." :-)
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You could try Ghostbusters and Dr Stranglove. Two movies that remind
me of Real Genius all to well!!
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Daniel Drucker
I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
Any ideas?
Daniel Drucker
Murdoc
: "My Science Project", maybe ?
Was Dennis Hopper in this movie? I remember seeing someone that looked like him.I'm thinking of the teacher that gets caught in the time traveling senerio in
Stuart Foster
ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu (Daniel Drucker) wrote:
> I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
> Any ideas?
Hmm,
At a pinch you may try
Cloak and Dagger (more fantasyish/childish but they did have some
computer console game elements in it).
Sneakers (yeah, yeah unrealistic, but kinda fun anyway).
There was some TV series (6 parter) called The Consultant I think. and
its opening credits was this pacman style game with a fat pig running
around the maze. It was a scam involving the rip-off of a banking
system. The problem with TV series is that you can't bloody
hire them over here in NZ unless they are mega popular Sci-Fi series
(like ST and ST:TNG).
As already mentioned..
Ferris B.'s Day Off,
My Science Project,
and the TV series Whizz-Kids.
And my personal taste for those film watching marathons must include...
Highlander, The Terminator and T2.
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>him.I'm thinking of the teacher that gets caught in the time traveling
senerio in
>the film. Oops, if you haven't seen it, I just spoiled it for you. :)
He was the one with the line (forgive me if I get it a little wrong):
"The future's a groove man! I made sure of that!"
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episodes. I watched every one I could. I don't suppose they are running
these in reruns anywhere and someone could videotape them?
Jim" Will pay for old Whiz Kids episodes - Not much tho. " Brain
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Cynthia Garvin
in which a kid builds a nuclear bomb for a science competition in order
to expose a local company. I forget who's in it.
Shawn T. Rutledge
: >after 20 years, but I remember a self-aware machine gaining control
: >of the nation's nuclear defenses. Anybody remember details?
: Colossus was the Forbin machine and it linked itself up to Guardian (I
: think) the Russian computer. I don't remember much else. Seems like local
: stations have given up running old horror and sci-fi films on Saturdays. :-(
: Anyone remember Demon Seed? Computer impregnates wife of its designer.
No but I remember one in which a college kid resurrects his dead sister
by putting a microprocessor in her head. She gradually turns into a machine.
Forget the title.
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Chris Radek
>I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>Any ideas?
In terms of nerd-appeal or chicken-appeal..? :)
Shawn T. Rutledge
the Back to the Future trilogy (which is pretty farfetched but falls in line
with the original poster's question about movies involving wiz kids)
Brainstorm was especially good although the wiz kids were grownups
BTW, what was so unrealistic about Sneakers? Sure, there are always
cheesy cinematic effects (why are computer screens always dorky looking,
even now that the population in general knows better? I mean, usually
computers in movies use large, unusual fonts on their screens if the interface
is text, beep at every keystroke and then some, boot up unrealistically
fast, etc. I even saw a PC once that played a Mac startup sound the
instant it was turned on! and that was a pretty recent movie too!
One exception is Jurassic Park, in which the computers were pretty
realistic.) but at least it didn't show nonexistent technologies.
I suspect many of the cheesy things they did do were required by the
government so that the movie wouldn't give away too realistic a picture
of what government technology is capable of.
Kate Wood
Yay manhattan project! that was.... patrick dempsey? there was also
project x (planet of the apes, on earth, with a mutant genius boy)
and wierd science.
Kathryn
Ian Young
>Several of my favorites haven't been mentioned yet:
>the Back to the Future trilogy (which is pretty farfetched but falls in line
> with the original poster's question about movies involving wiz kids)
>Brainstorm was especially good although the wiz kids were grownups
>
>BTW, what was so unrealistic about Sneakers? Sure, there are always
>cheesy cinematic effects (why are computer screens always dorky looking,
>even now that the population in general knows better? I mean, usually
>computers in movies use large, unusual fonts on their screens if the interface
>is text, beep at every keystroke and then some, boot up unrealistically
>fast, etc. I even saw a PC once that played a Mac startup sound the
>instant it was turned on! and that was a pretty recent movie too!
>One exception is Jurassic Park, in which the computers were pretty
>realistic.) but at least it didn't show nonexistent technologies.
>I suspect many of the cheesy things they did do were required by the
>government so that the movie wouldn't give away too realistic a picture
>of what government technology is capable of.
Just one gripe about Jurrasic park:
In it, the girl sits down at
what _has_ to be a SG indy,
sees fsn running, and says
"oh, this is unix, I know this!"
Whereas anyone with real experience
says
"Oh, this is Unix. We are fucked."
and begins looking for a command
shell and "dev/security"
...and then gets chewed in half.
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Joseph Stanley (Joe) Wisniewski
|> In article <384hmq$g...@iia.org>, Pete Ehlke <ehl...@iia.org> wrote:
|> >>> I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
|> >>> Any ideas?
|> ...
|> >How 'bout The Forbin Project from about 1974. Details are a bit sketchy
|> >after 20 years, but I remember a self-aware machine gaining control
|> >of the nation's nuclear defenses. Anybody remember details?
|>
|> "The Forbin Project" was the first of a three-book series about
|> computers taking over the world. It was made into a movie called
|> "Collosus" or "Collosus: The Forbin Project." The basic plot of the
|> first book was that the US's defense computer -- it control's all the
|> nation's missiles, etc. -- learns that the Soviets have a similar
|> computer and demands to be put into communication with it. The two
|> machines link up and take over the world (details left as an exercise
|> -- reading the book or viewing the film).
|>
|> In the end, Dr. Forbin, the computer's creator, becomes somewhat of a
|> high priest to the religion of the computers' deity. It takes until
|> the third book, "The Fall of Collosus," to resolve all the details.
|> --
Books (D.F.Jones):
1) Collosus
2) The Fall of Collosus
3) Collosus and the Crab
Movie: The Forbin Project
This movie did no justice to Jones formidable descriptive talents
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Colin Simpson
I remember a program on BBC 1 in the mid-eighties one saturday night
that I cannot even remember the name of that, at the time to me
seemed like the best story of cracking that I have seen.
It involved a stock market or merchant bank that sysadmin that
was fooled into dialing into his own computer through another
so that they could just read his password straight off.
The criminals consisted of a man, a woman (who seduced the sysadmin
in order to defraud him) and a smart kid (surprise !!) that
provided the technical expertise.
The only scenes I can remember were the smart kid being bullied
for being a nerd and the sysadmin pushing himself on his swivel chair
between terminals rapidly as his system was being cracked. I cannot
even remember if this was a film or one of these BBC one off dramas.
I would really like to know if anyone else can remember this as I
want to know its name and if it is as good as I remember it to be.
I would like to see it again but I suppose that is too much to
expect from the BBC.
BTW, there was another computer type series on the BBC I think. I cannot
remember what it was called either. It had a title sequence in which
the lead character was depicted as a character in a video game.
I remember in one episode they used a jargon term of a weivel (as in
small rodent (?) excuse spelling) to describe a bug that does not cause
the program to crash anyone remember this ?
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fuzzy
: >Any ideas?
: In terms of nerd-appeal or chicken-appeal..? :)
no, bananas have appeal, nerds are candy coated, and as for
peeling chickens, that sounds positively evil.
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Bernd U Meyer
>whe...@sunchem.uucp (Karen Wheless) publicly declared:
>>>: I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>>>: Any ideas?
>>
>>Has anyone mentioned _Sneakers_?
>I would have *loved* to see River Phoenix replaced by Matthew Broderick
>in Sneakers. And then a throw-away line something along the lines of,
>"Yeah, I got into a bit of trouble a few years ago with a NORAD
>computer. I'd rather not talk about it." :-)
But think about it --- two hundred people in a cinema, and suddenly three
of them start laughing maniacally and throw themselves on the floor...
Strange looks from around!
Bernie
P.S.: I gues it must have been similar for those guys who shouted out "NO"
when they powercycled the connection machines in Jurassic Park :-)
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Just add "It's a funky Bali High!"
Michael Jennings
Bernd U Meyer <ber...@cs.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>ve...@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) writes:
>
>>whe...@sunchem.uucp (Karen Wheless) publicly declared:
>>>>: I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>>>>: Any ideas?
>>>
>>>Has anyone mentioned _Sneakers_?
>
>>I would have *loved* to see River Phoenix replaced by Matthew Broderick
>>in Sneakers. And then a throw-away line something along the lines of,
>>"Yeah, I got into a bit of trouble a few years ago with a NORAD
>>computer. I'd rather not talk about it." :-)
>
>But think about it --- two hundred people in a cinema, and suddenly three
>of them start laughing maniacally and throw themselves on the floor...
>Strange looks from around!
>
Robin Wright's character uttered the line 'This is Wesley' in
_Forrest Gump_.
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Matthew Sweet
>>One exception is Jurassic Park, in which the computers were pretty
>>realistic.) but at least it didn't show nonexistent technologies.
>
> In it, the girl sits down at
> what _has_ to be a SG indy,
> sees fsn running, and says
> "oh, this is unix, I know this!"
>
> Whereas anyone with real experience
> says
> "Oh, this is Unix. We are fucked."
> and begins looking for a command
> shell and "dev/security"
> ...and then gets chewed in half.
And another gripe about the security in JP. It _all_, without fail,
failed DANGEROUS. In a theme park that the public were supposed
to be able to safely go round.
And who were those idiots that only had one guy write the entire
security system, without proper management, safety checks, backups,
etc.?
I also liked the way all of the systems came back on-line after the
power-out as soon as power was restored, rather than taking time to
check & re-mount all of their file-systems, and the way that people
then didn't have to login to any of the systems, but were allowed
to use them, and...
JP's portrayal of computers and safety/security engineering sucked.
Matthew
Kevin A. Hogan
Ian Young <iyo...@alpha.wright.edu> wrote:
[talking more about movies . . . ]
>
>Just one gripe about Jurrasic park:
>In it, the girl sits down at
>what _has_ to be a SG indy,
>sees fsn running, and says
>"oh, this is unix, I know this!"
When _Jurassic Park_ played at Berkeley last month as one of the $3
cheapo-movies-of-the-week, that line got a much better laugh from the
audience than a lot of the "intended" jokes did . . . shows you what
kind of audience the movie was playing to, I guess!
I _still_ haven't figured out why they needed both the Connection
Machine _and_ the ten tons of SGI hardware in their comp center -- you
need that much power to control your door locks?
-- Kevin
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Ernst 'pooh' Mulder
In article <Cy862...@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, Shawn T. Rutledge writes:
>fast, etc. I even saw a PC once that played a Mac startup sound the
>instant it was turned on! and that was a pretty recent movie too!
That movie is True Lies. I thought it was pretty funny.
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Daniel Drucker
Shawn T. Rutledge <rutl...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu> wrote:
>No but I remember one in which a college kid resurrects his dead sister
>by putting a microprocessor in her head. She gradually turns into a machine.
For some reason this reminds me of The Turing Option.
Daniel Drucker
Peter Seebach
>BTW, what was so unrealistic about Sneakers?
A code breaker that can break any code?
Worse, a code breaker that can break ANY* U.S. code, and NO* U.S.S.R. code.
Very likely.
I suppose that would see the enforced export of DES within minutes, if it
were developed.
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>by putting a microprocessor in her head. She gradually turns into a machine.
>Forget the title.
>
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>
> I _still_ haven't figured out why [Jurassic Park] needed both the Connection
>Machine _and_ the ten tons of SGI hardware in their comp center -- you
>need that much power to control your door locks?
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As I recall, they needed the Connection Machine to do the DNA tailoring.
I don't know if that's realistic or not.
I do know that the Connection Machine has got to be one of the most photogenic
computer ever built. Reason enough to put it in a movie.
Dave Moore
djm...@uh.edu
I speak for me.
Juan Molinari
>by putting a microprocessor in her head. She gradually turns into a machine.
>Forget the title.
"Deadly Friend", and it was his girlfriend (don't know if they
were squicking or not).
That was a GREAT movie. I specially liked the part at the end
when her skin rips apart and this robot comes out and kills him.
Can't wait for it to show up on MST3k.
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1. Matthew Broderick.
2. Matthew Broderick (even if he's not in the Project X you're
talking about, he was in _A_ "Project X")
3. Anthony Michael Hall & Ilan Mitchel-Smith
Can I become AFC resident movie geek?
Juergen Nickelsen
Mulder <po...@brokendrum.stack.urc.tue.nl> writes:
> In article <Cy862...@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, Shawn T. Rutledge writes:
> >fast, etc. I even saw a PC once that played a Mac startup sound the
> >instant it was turned on! and that was a pretty recent movie too!
>
> That movie is True Lies. I thought it was pretty funny.
When a friend of mine and myself saw this, we started giggling at
once, both being (besides others) Mac owners.
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>wo...@grendel.csc.smith.edu (Kate Wood) writes:
>>Yay manhattan project! that was.... patrick dempsey?
Uhh, no, that was Chris Collett. Ever heard of him? Most people haven't.
Firestar
(Chris Collett, and the co-star, Cynthia Nixon, both went to my high school.)
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Manhattan Project, where the plutonium looks like liquid Prel.
How about, ummmmmm...... Lucas? Or maybe The Last Starfighter
(okay, maybe he couldn't code...but he was a pretty decent joystick
jockey, I tell ya.)
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>In article <Cy862...@ennews.eas.asu.edu> rutl...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (Shawn T. Rutledge) writes:
>>BTW, what was so unrealistic about Sneakers?
Having a VT100 display hires graphics.
-TPP
Christopher M Simmons
writes:
>Yay manhattan project! that was.... patrick dempsey? there was also
No, it wasn't Dempsey...I can't place his name. I think he was in
Firstborn also...
>project x (planet of the apes, on earth, with a mutant genius boy)
Matthew Broderick
>and wierd science.
Anthony Michael Hall and ??????
John Friese
Colin Simpson <co...@con-sys.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
(description of two BBC programmes deleted)
I don't know about the first one, but I think the second one
has been mentioned..."The Consultant".
(watched that on A&E. A shock seeing female frontal nudity on basic cable)
John L. Friese
fri...@math.arizona.edu
Scott - Maxwell
>when they powercycled the connection machines in Jurassic Park :-)
>
Wilson Roberto Afonso
>And who were those idiots that only had one guy write the entire
>security system, without proper management, safety checks, backups,
>etc.?
They could not hire a lot of people to do the job because they were
very very much worried about secrecy; they did not the world to know
that something big was being done there. There are no excuses not to
use backups, checks etc.
-Wilson
Scott - Maxwell
>I don't know if that's realistic or not.
>
Juan Molinari
> It has happened to me once or twice: most recently when
>Robin Wright's character uttered the line 'This is Wesley' in
>_Forrest Gump_.
I don't get it.
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I even saw a PC once that played a Mac startup sound the
>instant it was turned on!
I still like all the laser printers going "screeeeeeech screeeeeeech
screeeeech", just so everybody knows that somethin is printed. Who cares
about non-impact technology?!?
>One exception is Jurassic Park, in which the computers were pretty
>realistic.
Ah, yes. I bet it took some real wizards to make the status LEDs of those
"connection machines" scroll left and right in rows of height 8 or 9.
Somehow it reminded me of tjose shop displays that normally say "BUY BUY BUY!".
Well, it's probably just me....
Bernie
P.S.: What ever happened to the idea of playing PONG on a connection machines
LED panel?
Scott - Maxwell
>power-out as soon as power was restored, rather than taking time to
>check & re-mount all of their file-systems, and the way that people
>then didn't have to login to any of the systems, but were allowed
>to use them, and...
>
>JP's portrayal of computers and safety/security engineering sucked.
>
dale wells 9307 u
Shawn reminisces:
: >No but I remember one in which a college kid resurrects his dead sister
: >by putting a microprocessor in her head. She gradually turns into a machine.
: >Forget the title.
: "Deadly Friend", and it was his girlfriend (don't know if they
oh they were squicking all right
:)
: That was a GREAT movie. I specially liked the part at the end
: when her skin rips apart and this robot comes out and kills him.
yeah!!!
i thought it was a good movie too. never knew the name of it til now though
:)
: Can't wait for it to show up on MST3k.
what's mst3k?
dale, who owns neither a tv or a satellite (or a dish to receive with) :>
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Bob Kupiec
>
>I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>Any ideas?
Hmm, "Hide and Seek". It was a CBC or BBC show about a kid who made
an computer program (called P1) which cracked other machines to gather
information. Low budget, but REAL entertaining. I think it was based
upon a book called "The Adventures of P1".
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: In article <Cy862...@ennews.eas.asu.edu> rutl...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (Shawn T. Rutledge) writes:
: >BTW, what was so unrealistic about Sneakers?
: A code breaker that can break any code?
: Worse, a code breaker that can break ANY* U.S. code, and NO* U.S.S.R. code.
: Very likely.
: I suppose that would see the enforced export of DES within minutes, if it
: were developed.
Actually, there have been a few encryption schemes used in the past that,
with a single, special "key", no matter what the keywords used in the
process were, the key could strip the message, also, if you simply put
all the current US encryption routine cracks on one chip, it'd probably
only work for the US...every country has extensively researched encryption,
and most of the processes are different...especially since there are
different printable characters for Russian than English...BY FAR, which
would throw certain schemes off.
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well maybe not...
On a related note, who else saw T2 and instantly thought:
" T3: The Offsite Backups " ?
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S Mike Statton
Bob Kupiec <kup...@tigger.jvnc.net> wrote:
>In <3833o8$9...@plato.simons-rock.edu>, ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu writes:
>>
>>I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>>Any ideas?
>
>Hmm, "Hide and Seek". It was a CBC or BBC show about a kid who made
>an computer program (called P1) which cracked other machines to gather
>information. Low budget, but REAL entertaining. I think it was based
>upon a book called "The Adventures of P1".
Adolescence of P1. It had an IBM-centric view of computing, but was
very good. I would say that Hide & Seek was only vaguely based on
that book; Both were entertaining stories.
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Bob Kupiec <kup...@tigger.jvnc.net} wrote:
}In <3833o8$9...@plato.simons-rock.edu}, ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu writes:
}}
}}I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
}}Any ideas?
}
}Hmm, "Hide and Seek". It was a CBC or BBC show about a kid who made
}an computer program (called P1) which cracked other machines to gather
}information. Low budget, but REAL entertaining. I think it was based
}upon a book called "The Adventures of P1".
}
"The Adolescence of P1". A reasonably plausible story which has a
really major flaw. Part of the concept of P1 was a code
analyzer/optimzer that allowed P1 to insert itself into the wasted space
in any program.... Other than that, each piece of the program was
reasnably doable.
When I got started in network programming, this was considered "Fun -
Must Read" literature. I doubt you can even find it in print now.
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Dave Burgess <bur...@cynjut.infonet.net> wrote:
>"The Adolescence of P1". A reasonably plausible story which has a
>really major flaw. Part of the concept of P1 was a code
>analyzer/optimzer that allowed P1 to insert itself into the wasted space
>in any program.... Other than that, each piece of the program was
>reasnably doable.
It'd work for any M$ app. Heck, you could fit LOADS of stuff in the
space they waste!
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>In article <1994Oct29.0...@tigger.jvnc.net>,
>Bob Kupiec <kup...@tigger.jvnc.net> wrote:
>>In <3833o8$9...@plato.simons-rock.edu>, ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu writes:
>>>
>>>I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Hmm, "Hide and Seek". It was a CBC or BBC show about a kid who made
>>an computer program (called P1) which cracked other machines to gather
>>information. Low budget, but REAL entertaining. I think it was based
>>upon a book called "The Adventures of P1".
>Adolescence of P1. It had an IBM-centric view of computing, but was
>very good. I would say that Hide & Seek was only vaguely based on
>that book; Both were entertaining stories.
The Adolescence ofP1 by Thomas J. Ryan.
Published in paperback by Ace Science Fiction, ISBN (I think) 0-441-00360-5
Copyright date of 1977.
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Daniel Barlow
Sco...@cup.portal.com (Scott - Maxwell) writes:
[Jurassic Park]
>The way the book handled the whole situation was much better than the movie.
I don't have it to hand, but didn't it say something about a 'standard
PC keyboard' and then go on to show Mac screenshots? Struck me as a
little odd.
Daniel
Orit Shacham
: M.J.Je...@amtp.cam.ac.uk (Michael Jennings) writes:
: > It has happened to me once or twice: most recently when
: >Robin Wright's character uttered the line 'This is Wesley' in
: >_Forrest Gump_.
:
: I don't get it.
Then you must run to the nearest video store and buy "The Princess Bride".
Note I didn't say "walk" and I didn't say "rent".
(I wonder whether the "Forrest Gump" writers gave him that name on
purpose. Certainly got me, too. Considering the "Life Of Brian" scene
in the desert, I can believe they did.)
Orit
Frederic Albrecht
: In article <125...@cup.portal.com>,
I reread the book recently and the user interface is some sort of
custom touch-screen interface that displays myriads of boxes with
cryptic labels...
I've seen a similar interface on a PABX, it's definitely not what
you want on a machine unless the guy who wrote the program is constantly
there to operate it.
Fred.
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>really major flaw. Part of the concept of P1 was a code
>analyzer/optimzer that allowed P1 to insert itself into the wasted space
>in any program.... Other than that, each piece of the program was
>reasnably doable.
You mean, perhaps, that, as a program, P1 is beable?
>When I got started in network programming, this was considered "Fun -
>Must Read" literature. I doubt you can even find it in print now.
They had a copy of it back at my high school ... anyone reading this from
Thomas Jefferson High School for Science & Technology?
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Adrian Demarais
: In article <1994Oct29.0...@tigger.jvnc.net},
: Bob Kupiec <kup...@tigger.jvnc.net} wrote:
: }In <3833o8$9...@plato.simons-rock.edu}, ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu writes:
: }}
: }}I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
: }}Any ideas?
: }
: }Hmm, "Hide and Seek". It was a CBC or BBC show about a kid who made
: }an computer program (called P1) which cracked other machines to gather
: }information. Low budget, but REAL entertaining. I think it was based
: }upon a book called "The Adventures of P1".
: }
: "The Adolescence of P1". A reasonably plausible story which has a
: really major flaw. Part of the concept of P1 was a code
: analyzer/optimzer that allowed P1 to insert itself into the wasted space
: in any program.... Other than that, each piece of the program was
A similar book avail now is ME by Thomas T. Thomas, in which a
self-aware cracking prog sends a small advance program to check out the
avail hardware, after which the main program follows.
brian davis
vomes back to s surprise. I don't want to give away the plot, but I think
it fits in this category. What was it called...?
-brian
Susan C. Mitchell
: In article <Cy862...@ennews.eas.asu.edu> rutl...@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (Shawn T. Rutledge) writes:
: >BTW, what was so unrealistic about Sneakers?
: A code breaker that can break any code?
: Worse, a code breaker that can break ANY* U.S. code, and NO* U.S.S.R. code.
: Very likely.
There was at least an *attempt* at explaining this in the movie: the
Russian attache' has a line something like "Your codes work on an entirely
different system from ours. We've never had any luck breaking them."
So kill me, I enjoyed that movie.
A question: was Bruce Sterling right when he said that the cryptographer
character was based on Whitfield Diffie?
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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Susan C. Mitchell
: wasn't there a movie with Robert Redford where he goes out for coffee and
: vomes back to s surprise. I don't want to give away the plot, but I think
: it fits in this category. What was it called...?
"Three Days of the Condor" -- Robert Redford, Cliff Robertson, Max von
Sydow, Faye Dunaway, John Houseman. Directed by Sydney Pollack.
Available on video; slightly dated now, but *definitely* worth seeing.
Dr Ivan D Reid, uSR Facility, PSI
sus...@indirect.com (Susan C. Mitchell) writes...
>brian davis (brd...@cadesm43.eng.utah.edu) wrote:
>: wasn't there a movie with Robert Redford where he goes out for coffee and
>: vomes back to s surprise. I don't want to give away the plot, but I think
>: it fits in this category. What was it called...?
>"Three Days of the Condor" -- Robert Redford, Cliff Robertson, Max von
>Sydow, Faye Dunaway, John Houseman. Directed by Sydney Pollack.
>Available on video; slightly dated now, but *definitely* worth seeing.
I think it was slightly dated when it came out -- the computer they
used to do the analysis was a PDP-8. And I'm pretty sure that when Redford
"started" the program, the key he pressed was the Halt key! Then there was
the fact that the film was thinned down from the book, which was originally
"X Days of the Condor", where X escapes me now, but X>>3.
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. iv...@cvax.psi.ch
Martin Thomas
: The only scenes I can remember were the smart kid being bullied
: for being a nerd and the sysadmin pushing himself on his swivel chair
: between terminals rapidly as his system was being cracked. I cannot
: even remember if this was a film or one of these BBC one off dramas.
: I would really like to know if anyone else can remember this as I
: want to know its name and if it is as good as I remember it to be.
: I would like to see it again but I suppose that is too much to
: expect from the BBC.
I have a hazy recollection of this. I think it was a one-off.
: BTW, there was another computer type series on the BBC I think. I cannot
: remember what it was called either. It had a title sequence in which
: the lead character was depicted as a character in a video game.
: I remember in one episode they used a jargon term of a weivel (as in
: small rodent (?) excuse spelling) to describe a bug that does not cause
: the program to crash anyone remember this ?
This was _Bird of Prey_, screened around 1982 I think, with Richard
Griffiths as the computer expert. I'm sure the Beeb did a follow up series
a few years later.
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>
>I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>Any ideas?
How about the recent (well, a year or two ago) film with Robert
Redford as an aging hacker with a company that offered a hacking
service.
I'm just trying to get the name from the Cardiff movies database...
It's called Sneakers, and gets a 7.1/10 rating from the readers.
Just looking at what else there is under the "Hacker" genre in the
database. And the results are:
1. "Whiz Kids" 1983-1984
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey 1968 (8.1/10)
3. Lawnmower Man, The 1992 (5.4/10)
4. Moon 44 1989 (4.5/10)
5. Sneakers 1992 (7.1/10)
6. Superman III 1983 (4.0/10)
7. WarGames 1983 (6.3/10)
8. Weird Science 1985 (5.4/10)
Hope you enjoy this lot. Should take you a few days.
Ross
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Michael D Shapiro
Dr Ivan D Reid, uSR Facility, PSI <re...@cvax.psi.ch> wrote:
(regarding the film "Three Days of the Condor"):
> I think it was slightly dated when it came out -- the computer they
>used to do the analysis was a PDP-8. And I'm pretty sure that when Redford
>"started" the program, the key he pressed was the Halt key! Then there was
>the fact that the film was thinned down from the book, which was originally
>"X Days of the Condor", where X escapes me now, but X>>3.
X = Seven
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On 25 Oct 1994, Kate Wood wrote:
>
> Yay manhattan project! that was.... patrick dempsey? there was also
> project x (planet of the apes, on earth, with a mutant genius boy)
> and wierd science.
> Kathryn
>
>
The star of Manhattan Project was an actor by the name of Christopher
Collet. I believe that he was also in a film called Firstborn.
Frank Provost (MCOM)
On 28 Oct 1994, Christopher M Simmons wrote:
> In article <38jj6j$1...@sylvia.smith.edu> wo...@grendel.csc.smith.edu (Kate Wood)
> writes:
>
> >Yay manhattan project! that was.... patrick dempsey? there was also
>
> No, it wasn't Dempsey...I can't place his name. I think he was in
> Firstborn also...
>
> >project x (planet of the apes, on earth, with a mutant genius boy)
>
> Matthew Broderick
>
> >and wierd science.
>
> Anthony Michael Hall and ??????
>
>
Ilan Mitchell Smith.
I have a deep drawers and an excellent retrival system.
Susan C. Mitchell
: In article <1NOV1994...@cvax.psi.ch>,
: Dr Ivan D Reid, uSR Facility, PSI <re...@cvax.psi.ch> wrote:
: (regarding the film "Three Days of the Condor"):
: > I think it was slightly dated when it came out -- the computer they
: >used to do the analysis was a PDP-8. And I'm pretty sure that when Redford
: >"started" the program, the key he pressed was the Halt key! Then there was
: >the fact that the film was thinned down from the book, which was originally
: >"X Days of the Condor", where X escapes me now, but X>>3.
: X = Seven
Six. I just read it.
Edward Rice
DI> Then there was the fact that the film was thinned down from the book,
DI> which was originally "X Days of the Condor", where X escapes me now,
DI> but X>>3.
"Six Days of the Condor," by James Grady. Grady's best book.
Jeff Schwartz
starts out as a computer hacker but then goes into the security consulting
business.
>==========brian davis, 10/31/94==========
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Charlie Gibbs
(Edward Rice) writes:
> DI> From: re...@cvax.psi.ch (Dr Ivan D Reid, uSR Facility, PSI)
> DI>
> DI> Then there was the fact that the film was thinned down from the
> DI> book, which was originally "X Days of the Condor", where X escapes
> DI> me now, but X>>3.
>
>"Six Days of the Condor," by James Grady. Grady's best book.
YKYBHTLW you evaluate X>>3 as zero, because although you can't
remember exactly what X was, you know it was less than 8.
Charli...@mindlink.bc.ca
Brain not found. Press F1 to continue.
Murdoc
friend, the girl who was in love with Mitch, had her very own SpaceWarp set.
Now, I've been looking for these sets for years now. I owned one it got so
old I had to throw it out. Now I want a new one.
If you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about then pay attention here.
In the scene when Mitch goes into her room to tell her about the woman he
found in his room, she was using a kind of vacuum cleaner. In the background,
on top of her desk is the SpaceWarp model set. It looks like a bunch of tubes
and sticks going around in certain directions.
SpaceWarp is in fact a sort of mock set-up for rollercoasters. It's like
setting up your very own rollercoaster like model and using marbles as the cars
and releasing them at the top where they follow the path you have designed and
attempt to traverse this path without falling off the track and making it
back to the elevator. it tests your knowledge of Rotational torque and
Kinetic energy and is a very fun model to work with.
My point is that I really want to know where I can find another one of these
models. I first noticed them at Epcot Center in Orlando, Flordia, but I need to
know if anyone has seen them in exotic stores. Preferably I would like to know
of any stores that may sell it. That way I can go to the nearest
store of that name and ask them about it. This set is really cool and I
would recommend it to any Physics fanatic who loves to design rollercoaster
like models.
Thank you for and information regarding this post!
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[...]
>When I got started in network programming, this was considered "Fun -
>Must Read" literature. I doubt you can even find it in print now.
Ah, but do you still have your copy? (Complete with an ADM-3A on the cover)
"The Adolescence of P-1"
Thomas J. Ryan
Collier Books, 1977. (Somewhat telling of the technology it contains)
ISBN 0-02-024880-6
If you can't find a copy, here's a condensed version:
P-1 CUR ALLOC 20193.....5804M
AR
CALL GREGORY
[276 pages omitted for brevity...]
OOLCAY ITAY.
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Adam Goldberg
> Just a small question. In the movie Real Genius, I noticed that our
> heroine friend, the girl who was in love with Mitch, had her very own
> SpaceWarp set. Now, I've been looking for these sets for years now. I
> owned one it got so old I had to throw it out. Now I want a new one.
>
> My point is that I really want to know where I can find another one
> of these models. I first noticed them at Epcot Center in Orlando,
> Flordia, but I need to know if anyone has seen them in exotic
> stores. Preferably I would like to know of any stores that may sell
> it. That way I can go to the nearest store of that name and ask them
> about it. This set is really cool and I would recommend it to any
> Physics fanatic who loves to design rollercoaster like models.
I've seen them advertised in the in-flight airline magazines... they
are still around.
You might try a hobby store (like that sells model rockets, etc.).
Adam
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I once had a tee-shirt with:
:P1
OOLCAY ITAY
custom printed by some guy at a science fiction convention.
I never once ran into anyone who knew what it meant.
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Les Schaffer
: I once had a tee-shirt with:
: OOLCAY ITAY
: custom printed by some guy at a science fiction convention.
: I never once ran into anyone who knew what it meant.
You're kidding, right? Have you ever eaten fruit loops? every talked pig
latin???
cool it.....
les schaffer
jwin...@sallie.wellesley.edu
computers.
Bill Sudbrink
>Bill Sudbrink (bi...@umsa7.umd.edu) wrote:
>: OOLCAY ITAY
>cool it.....
Well...
1) You dropped the :P1 part. That was on the shirt too.
2) I guess I didn't phrase that very well. What I meant was that
nobody knew the book that that was a quote from.
If I had had more money at the time I would have had "P1 LIVES"
put on the back of the shirt but the guy was charging by the
letter.
>les schaffer
Nazman
>:P1
> OOLCAY ITAY
Well, if I rmember my Latin (pig, that is) well, then that looks like :
Cool It
But one cannot be too certain anymore.
Nazman
<nas...@rpi.edu>
Craig Sanders
>In article <1994Oct29.0...@tigger.jvnc.net>,
>Bob Kupiec <kup...@tigger.jvnc.net> wrote:
>>In <3833o8$9...@plato.simons-rock.edu>, ran...@plato.simons-rock.edu writes:
>>>
>>>I'm looking for movies similar to Wargames and Real Genius.
>>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Hmm, "Hide and Seek". It was a CBC or BBC show about a kid who made
>>an computer program (called P1) which cracked other machines to gather
>>information. Low budget, but REAL entertaining. I think it was based
>>upon a book called "The Adventures of P1".
>Adolescence of P1. It had an IBM-centric view of computing, but was
>very good. I would say that Hide & Seek was only vaguely based on
>that book; Both were entertaining stories.
There was also a canadian movie called _The Adolescence of P1_. Not a
bad movie - it impressed me enough to go out and find the book.
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Daniel Drucker
Murdoc <mur...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
>old I had to throw it out. Now I want a new one.
Try the Air and Space museum, Washington, DC.
>found in his room, she was using a kind of vacuum cleaner. In the background,
It's a linoleum scraper.
Daniel
Thomas Honor! Nielsen
br...@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
> Another under-rated movie (if you agree with what I say above) is TRON.
> At first TRON seems stu0id and lame, until you realize that it was written
> by computer scientists as a fable and comedy for computer scientists.
> True, the whole Christ-plot is a bit tired, but if you think of lines like
> "Bring in the Logic Probe" and "I'm just a COBOL program" you realize that
> this is people who know what they're doing having fun rather than idiots
> making silly mistakes bec.use none of the Pigher ups knew better.
Still today it shows computers as more than beeping gadgets that take over
the world or play tic-tac-toe with itself.
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Brad Templeton
They aren't in its league. Oh, some of them might be better or
comparable moviemaking, but I presume what attracted you about Real
Genius is that it was truly a film with intelligence. This was not
some hollywood scriptwriter's speculation about what it might like
to be among smart people, it was a fable for smart people written
by somebody who had been there (Much of it was based on cal-tech.)
Which is not to say it had 100% accurate science, it was quite happy
to do unrealistic things with popcorn and computers in order to have
fun, but unlike most movies about these topics which make mistakes
because they don't know better, Real Genius deviated from reality in
order to have fun, and I'm sure they knew where they were deviating.
I recommend this film without reservation to anybody who has been
there, and am sad to hear it compared to War Games, Weird Science
(A John Hughes movie for chrissakes) or any such.
Another under-rated movie (if you agree with what I say above) is TRON.
At first TRON seems stupid and lame, until you realize that it was written
by computer scientists as a fable and comedy for computer scientists.
True, the whole Christ-plot is a bit tired, but if you think of lines like
"Bring in the Logic Probe" and "I'm just a COBOL program" you realize that
this is people who know what they're doing having fun rather than idiots
making silly mistakes because none of the higher ups knew better.
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Joseph R.M. Zbiciak
: Another under-rated movie (if you agree with what I say above) is TRON.
: At first TRON seems stupid and lame, until you realize that it was written
: by computer scientists as a fable and comedy for computer scientists.
: True, the whole Christ-plot is a bit tired, but if you think of lines like
: "Bring in the Logic Probe" and "I'm just a COBOL program" you realize that
: this is people who know what they're doing having fun rather than idiots
: making silly mistakes because none of the higher ups knew better.
Agreed. I also thought it was kindof interesting, the idea that the
programmers considered programs to be neat and logical and predictable,
and that the opposite is quite true. Anybody who's spent long nights
debugging programs that should be working (and do,except that they break
in bizarre ways) can appreciate just how unlogical a program's behavior
can *seem*. And of course, most real programs DO expect the user to be
somewhat logical and reasonable. (At least, programs that haven't been
sent to the usability testing freaks who make the program semi-impervious
to total computer illiterates.)
Hehehehe... the ultimate virus tool: The Recognizer. ;-) I guess
nowadays Recognizers come in several brands... FProt, VShield, Norton AV,
etc...
;-)
Does anybody remember the old Intellivision games based on TRON? Like
the "TRON Solar Sailor" game... It actually used tracks and sectors,
like on a disk... My only question is how can a Solar Sailor work where
the sun don't shine?
Dean Perry
If i remeber correctly, they actually "made" some of the TRON scenes into
games, the one I remeber best was the disc throwing scene...
On the topic, what about "Twenty Minutes Into The Future" the original
Max Headroom ENGLISH tv pilot... the Americanised==sanitised version was
not much good tho...
dean
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Soh Kam Hung
> Another under-rated movie (if you agree with what I say above) is TRON.
> At first TRON seems stupid and lame, until you realize that it was written
> by computer scientists as a fable and comedy for computer scientists.
> True, the whole Christ-plot is a bit tired, but if you think of lines like
> "Bring in the Logic Probe" and "I'm just a COBOL program" you realize that
> this is people who know what they're doing having fun rather than idiots
> making silly mistakes because none of the higher ups knew better.
While I agree with your sentiments about movie-makers having fun rather
than being ignorant, I am afraid I found `Tron' one of more tiresome
movies ever made and I believe the makers were ignorant of video games.
For instance, the film introduces a tank combat game at the start,
but that idea was only used briefly. When the hero, (played by Jeff
Bridges, I think) was scanned into a computer, I had hoped to see some
blood-thumping good action. Instead, all we had was the cycle chase
(Snake) and the disks. There were plenty of good game ideas in the
arcades in the early eighties, but none of those were used in the film.
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Clinton Pierce (R)
|> Brad Templeton (br...@clarinet.com) wrote:
|> > Another under-rated movie (if you agree with what I say above) is TRON.
|> > At first TRON seems stupid and lame, until you realize that it was written
|>
|> than being ignorant, I am afraid I found `Tron' one of more tiresome
|> movies ever made and I believe the makers were ignorant of video games.
|> (Snake) and the disks. There were plenty of good game ideas in the
|> arcades in the early eighties, but none of those were used in the film.
|>
The reason may have been legal, rather than creativity or special effects...
Most video game companies in the early 80's were lawsuit-happy for games that
"looked and felt" like theirs. Atari/Jawbreaker/Pacman...comes to mind
immediately. And considering that the studio's were getting their hands into
video games, it'd be dangerous to put onto film a game "concept" that might
be owned by a rival studio next month...
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>While I agree with your sentiments about movie-makers having fun rather
>than being ignorant, I am afraid I found `Tron' one of more tiresome
>movies ever made and I believe the makers were ignorant of video games.
>For instance, the film introduces a tank combat game at the start,
>but that idea was only used briefly. When the hero, (played by Jeff
>Bridges, I think) was scanned into a computer, I had hoped to see some
>blood-thumping good action. Instead, all we had was the cycle chase
>(Snake) and the disks. There were plenty of good game ideas in the
>arcades in the early eighties, but none of those were used in the film.
You are off your rocker. The cycle chase after they left the arena
was great, and don't forget Jeff Bridges' character driving the tank
inside the computer as well.
Any more would have taken away from the story and turned it into
JUST a bunch of computer graphics.
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Oh? grrrr!
djmoore
im1...@cactus.texas.net (Joseph R.M. Zbiciak) writes:
[Bang-On comment about how illogical programs demand
super logical users deleted from article in the TRON movie
thread.]
> My only question is how can a Solar Sailor work where
>the sun don't shine?
>
>--Joe
I wondered about that myself; I finally decided that the
Solar Sailor was a research simulation that had been
taken over by the programs for their own uses.
And, notice that it follows a narrow beam which
it evidentally doesn't block.
...Hey, it makes as much sense as anything else in the
movie. Great show, nevertheless.
Dave Moore djm...@uh.edu I speak for me.
"The sky starts at your feet; think how brave you are
to walk around." Annie Dillard(??? Well, one of those
Whole Earth Catalog types, anyway.)
Richard N. Turner
>
>: OOLCAY ITAY
>
>: custom printed by some guy at a science fiction convention.
>: I never once ran into anyone who knew what it meant.
>
>You're kidding, right? Have you ever eaten fruit loops? every talked pig
>latin???
Uh, I think he surprised that nobody understood it figuring that *everyone*
had read "TAofP-1". I mean, I figured that everybody had read it. You
mean that someone out there hasn't!? :-)
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Adam Justin Thornton
>I wondered about that myself; I finally decided that the
>Solar Sailor was a research simulation that had been
>taken over by the programs for their own uses.
See what happens when you leave dangling pointers lying around, kids?
Adam
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The first time I saw Star Wars I noticed that the physical model of the
Death Star used for shots in the movie was COMPLETELY different that the
blueprints of the Death Star that are flashed on the screen in the scene
where they are planning the attack. (Notice that in the model the
weapons dish is about 1/12th the size of the sphere and located about
30 degrees below the equator, while in the computer displayed "plans"
of the Death Star the weapons dish was located on the equator and was
about twice as big.) It just jumped out at me the first time I saw
the film, but it didn't bother me because I enjoyed the movie so much.
Jeff Fox
Ultra Technology
William Atkins
WARGAMES but not exactly. Great casting (Redford & James Earl Jones come to
mind). It tried to be high-tech even though the black box was a little hard
to buy. My favorite scene was the blind guy driving the truck through the
parking lot. Oh yeah, the Cray-like computer was a nice touch too.
BillyAtkins
st...@accesspt.north.net
I must reply to the Real Genius: Iay annotcay elievebay ouyay oday otnay
owknay igpay atinlay! Oolcay Itay eansmay "Cool It!" in Pig Latin. Was
that a test? Do I pass? Please send me a prize! :-) Oodgay iebay orfay
ownay!
[pBill Sudbrink (bi...@umsa7.umd.edu) wrote:
: I once had a tee-shirt with:
: :P1
: OOLCAY ITAY
: custom printed by some guy at a science fiction convention.
: I never once ran into anyone who knew what it meant.
: Bill
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Thomas Honore Nielsen
You may also have noticed that there's no inertia in those flying things.
They seem to turn on the spot. I wonder what the g-force is in a turn
like those.
Regards, Thomas
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Robert Zawarski
Adam Justin Thornton <ad...@tucson.princeton.edu> wrote:
>In article <39ro4k$n...@masala.cc.uh.edu>, <djmoore> wrote:
>>I wondered about that myself; I finally decided that the
>>Solar Sailor was a research simulation that had been
>>taken over by the programs for their own uses.
>
>See what happens when you leave dangling pointers lying around, kids?
>
>Adam
>
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Or don't kill all your processes........
Rob...
Kirk Is.
infinite corridor... I even read the novelization. (Did it seem as if
the "Bit" had 3 states though, YES NO and RESTING? Or Does that
correspond to the role of timing in computers in general? And some of
the *terrible* lines: "And now he plays SPACE COWBOY in some arcade back
room" and at the end, the lame "Greetings, programs!" to real people...)
Some of the games that came from that were great. In the arcade there
was the 4-in-1 TRON game and the TRON Deadly Disks (or some such) (leaping
from platform to platform hurling disks at the other guy) Atari 2600 had
TRON Deadly Disks (one of my favorites) and Adventures of Tron, a
side-perspective non-scrolling jump over the bad guys and collect stuff.
Intellivision had a better version of Deadly Disks, with Recognizers and
everything I think, plus TRON Solar Sailor (?) maybe, that used the voice
module I think.
Those were the days!
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