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Scot A Griffin
Unfortunately, I have to start with a complement to our friends from Oz.
Good job! Most Americans are ignorant, overly proud buffoons with
little regard for international politics and policy. Honestly, most
Americans are too busy
being patriotic to ask "What am I so fucking proud of?" Don't get me
wrong, I love being in this country, and I could not imagine living
anywhere else. But,
we just have way too many problems here at home to be spending any energy on
overthrowing governments and assassinating people we don't like. By the way,
Bush is a well-meaning loser, but his policies benefit the rich while
ripping the
middle-class a new asshole.
I should probably apologize for my fellow Americans on the net; however, I will
not do so as they are breed apart. Judging from the postings from oleg and the
gang, most of these people are practicing "One-Handed Typing": one hand strokes
the keys while the other hand strokes their vestigal genitilia as they
shout "Boy, will they be pissed!" Y A W N...
Another thing, what is this fixation with using "dirty" words (e.g.
cunt, twat,
fuck...)? Do any of you people realize that they really have very little power
when read? Oh, I get it do unto others... You guys are so thin-skinned that
being called a "vaginal blood fart" would offend you, and you therefore launch
a pre-emptive strike. I M P R E S S I V E.
I have read a number of interesting replies to the Aussies which have included
many wonderful arrangements of "dingo" and "shit." Has anybody used the term
"Aushole" yet? I like it.
This whole my-country-is-better-than-your-country thing has got to go. With a
couple of exceptions, I'm beginning to think that the Aussies are pissed that
they didn't get as many natural resources to rape and aboriginals to
decimate as
the US did. Be proud of what you have accomplished, pretty soon you will be as
ignorant of your past as we are of ours. An aside to the Brits: stay
out of this,
you will only lose.
Again, I must thank the Thunder from Down Under for raising the awareness
of this newsgroup. At least we don't have to hear about Oleg's Venereal
Triangle any more. By the way, Oleg, I'm sure you'll have some wonderfully
lame response to all of this. Please make it as good as possible. I must
have an excellent reason to match wits with a half-wit. (Psst! Oleg! I gave you
some ammo there. Go for it, "dad".)
In keeping with the spirit of the true flame, "Let's rumble."
Any and all takers welcome.
-----Griff
William Steinmetz
>
>Good job! Most Americans are ignorant, overly proud buffoons with
>little regard for international politics and policy. Honestly, most
>Americans are too busy
>being patriotic to ask "What am I so fucking proud of?" Don't get me
>wrong, I love being in this country, and I could not imagine living
>anywhere else. But,
>we just have way too many problems here at home to be spending any energy on
>overthrowing governments and assassinating people we don't like. By the way,
>Bush is a well-meaning loser, but his policies benefit the rich while
>ripping the
>middle-class a new asshole.
I think your description of the American people was too kind. You state that
people are ignorant. This statement gives the illusion that Americans are
naive and have the ability to comprehend. In actuality, most Americans
are lacking any semblance of intelligence. They just don't have the ability
to learn. Examining most Americans basically proves the theory of evolution.
Proud Americans? If you can find pride among the general populace, please
point it out. Have you not watched the burning of the American flag on
television? Have you not seen how today's youth deface building structures?
If anything, this country is in dire need of patriotism.
Your last remarks only demonstrate your narrow view of politics and self-
sufficiency. If America was not 'overthrowing governments and
assassinating people', America would not now be considered a super-power.
All American foreign policy is based on a global perspective. Helping
weak countries and creating capitalist puppet governments ensures that
more than enough favors are owed to America. Remaining a military super-power
ensures that American can always collect those favors. If America
concentrated its finances toward only resolving internal affairs, it would
lose its leadership role in the world community. Think about it.
>I should probably apologize for my fellow Americans on the net; however, I will
>not do so as they are breed apart. Judging from the postings from oleg and the
>gang, most of these people are practicing "One-Handed Typing": one hand strokes
>the keys while the other hand strokes their vestigal genitilia as they
>shout "Boy, will they be pissed!" Y A W N...
Those that think it are those that do it!
>
>Another thing, what is this fixation with using "dirty" words (e.g.
>cunt, twat,
>fuck...)? Do any of you people realize that they really have very little power
>when read? Oh, I get it do unto others... You guys are so thin-skinned that
>being called a "vaginal blood fart" would offend you, and you therefore launch
>a pre-emptive strike. I M P R E S S I V E.
I agree with you completely. Intelligent sentence content bears much more
influence. Most responders of alt.flame have a limited vocabulary and
constrictive intelligence. Hence, one more supporting reason for my harsh
criticisms of the American people.
>
>I have read a number of interesting replies to the Aussies which have included
>many wonderful arrangements of "dingo" and "shit." Has anybody used the term
>"Aushole" yet? I like it.
>
Ha ha. That was funny. Almost as humorous as 'Assholius'.
>In keeping with the spirit of the true flame, "Let's rumble."
Fuck yeah.
>
--Bill
Friendless
>If America
>concentrated its finances toward only resolving internal affairs, it would
>lose its leadership role in the world community. Think about it.
What, and became just another country like all the others? One that didn't
shove its views and its culture down the unwilling throats of innocent
foreigners? Oh that would be awful! All those poor people would be so... so...
so un-American!
Friendless
john baez
> What, and became just another country like all the others? One that didn't
>shove its views and its culture down the unwilling throats of innocent
>foreigners? Oh that would be awful! All those poor people would be so... so...
>so un-American!
Explain how America "shoves its culture down the throats
of innocent foreigners", please. Are you talking about
military operations in Panama or what? Most interesting
would be to hear how America does this to Australia.
Friendless
No dicko, I'm talking culture here. You know, like McDonald's, Hungry Jack's,
KFC, Three's Company, 30 Something, The Golden Girls, "Coming to America",
Alf, Diff'rent Strokes, Life magazine, Playboy, .... America's sole concern in
world politics is to find bigger markets for this crap. How about:
---
This month only at McDonald's, with every burger purchased in an environment
friendly box, and not stuffed mindlessly into a paper bag which is chucked
into the store bin immediately, you get FREE a kilogram of McOzone. Just open
the zipper on the recyclable bag, and *your* contribution to the ozone layer
will float up and solve the world's problems.
---
This week on Diff'rent Strokes, Arnold has a sore tooth. But we're not going
to show you this episode, because it will fry your brain. Here's a documentary
on the inadequacies of the Westminster System instead.
---
Out now in the May edition of Playboy - Hugh's new 2000 hectare estate, and
how he turned it into a nature reserve. Also, an article on why big fat men
produce more methane than skinny ones, and what they can do about it. How to
give up smoking and a few tits and bums.
---
John Baez, you are a mindless git. I think I'll ignore you until you say
something worthwhile.
Friendless
Scot A Griffin
(William Steinmetz) writes:
|> In article <1990May27....@athena.mit.edu>
jin...@athena.mit.edu (Scot A Griffin) writes:
|> Your last remarks only demonstrate your narrow view of politics and self-
|> sufficiency. If America was not 'overthrowing governments and
|> assassinating people', America would not now be considered a super-power.
|> All American foreign policy is based on a global perspective. Helping
|> weak countries and creating capitalist puppet governments ensures that
|> more than enough favors are owed to America. Remaining a military
super-power
|> ensures that American can always collect those favors. If America
|> concentrated its finances toward only resolving internal affairs, it would
|> lose its leadership role in the world community. Think about it.
First, if America concentrated *any* of its finances towards resolving
internal problems, the US would not be as large an object of ridicule
as it is. We piss away billions of dollars to fight the "War on Drugs"
, which is soon to become our economic Vietnam. Prohibition of alcohol
made organized crime rich. What the hell do you think illegal drugs
are doing for street gangs and drug czars? (No alternative solutions
will be posted here, but if you insist--next time.)
Do you really think that the United States actually helps other
countries? Bullshit. The US installs dictators or makes damn sure
that the real power of the country is in the hands of a small number
of wealthy individuals. This effectively ensures that the US has
more natural resources to rape, just in case she runs out of her own.
Look at Central America. We give billions to countries down there, such
as Honduras. Yet, the only people that see that money are at the top.
As a matter of fact, there was a phenomenal success story in Central
America, once. It's name was Nicaragua. The US beat the hell out of
its economy because it was doing too well (I'll bring stats next time.)
Now, a *democratic* government has been installed, and a major
redistribution of wealth is going on. A few get it all.
The "democracies" that the US installs are not the same as the
democracy that we enjoy here. How come?
If the US government really cared about what other countries thought,
it could do a number of things:
1) Actually solve some of its own problems _before_ they start
worrying about everybody else's.
2) Learn how to be subtle. The government thinks it's so sly.
The only people it fools is its own. (Not surprising.)
3) Stop thinking the world belongs to it. Yes, the US has the
power to back it up, but wouldn't be nice to actually have
friends in the world community? The US tends to get confused
about the difference between an ally and a friend. Japan was
/is an ally, but it is certainly no friend. As long as the
US goes around flexing its muscle and acting like a big child,
we will never have the respect that we desire.
In a world where economies are rapidly becoming the only battlegrounds,
the US has to realize that big arsenals mean squat. If the government
would learn to manage its own affairs, we might have a chance of
maintaining a leadership role in the world. As things stand now,
everybody's rubbing their hands together in anticipation of the big
fall.
---Griff
Ecce Homo
> In article <1990May29.2...@bach.amd.com>, bi...@pepsi.amd.com
>>
>>
> Do you really think that the United States actually helps other
> countries? Bullshit. The US installs dictators or makes damn sure
> that the real power of the country is in the hands of a small number
> of wealthy individuals. This effectively ensures that the US has
> more natural resources to rape, just in case she runs out of her own.
> Look at Central America. We give billions to countries down there, such
> as Honduras. Yet, the only people that see that money are at the top.
>
> As a matter of fact, there was a phenomenal success story in Central
> America, once. It's name was Nicaragua. The US beat the hell out of
> its economy because it was doing too well (I'll bring stats next time.)
> Now, a *democratic* government has been installed, and a major
> redistribution of wealth is going on. A few get it all.
>
Good on ya Scot, at last some comments coming from your side that show a bit
of insight. What Scot is describing has been one of the guiding principles
of US foreign policy since WWII : the preservation of an international order
that provides the US with the freedom to rob, to exploit resources, export
pollution, etc., and they've shown themselves to be a violent and lawless
state in pursuit of the maintenance of this order.
The official enemey all along as been what Kennedy called the "monolithic
and ruthless conspiracy attempting to thwart our benevolence" (of course
a reference to the mythical international communist movement), but the real
enemey has always been the indigenous population, or more specifically
independent nationalist movements/govts that cared about their people and
were willing implement policies geared to domestic needs, and not to the
transcendent needs of Big Brother.
A few examples to support some of the points made above follow.
Guatemala:
Guatemala's one attempt at democracy was overcome in 1954 by a CIA organised
coup thst overthrew a reformist capitialist govt started by Arevelo(?)
which was modeling itself on Roosevelt's New Deal. Subsequent
interventions under Kennedy and Johnson have helped to
maintain a terror-and-torture state with few counterparts in the modern
world. Remember that at the peak of genocide being carried out in Guatemala
under Rios Mont (?) in the early 80s the Reagan described Guatemala as a
fledgling democracy, whereas, the Sandinistas, (who were described by the
Oxfam International as a govt deeply commited to the welfare of all its
people), were described by Reagan as a barborous Marxist dictatorship.
Indochina:
Following repeated attempts to block a political settlement in South Vietnam
(why? because the US new they'd lose to the NLF if an election was held)
the US launched a violent attack against the
indigknous population of South Vietnam, which eventually engulfed the
rest of Indochina in a huge bloodbath. The ferocious US attack (supported
I am ashamed to say by Australia) launched against Indochina
left the countries devastated, facing almost insuperable problems, over which
the West now stands in sanctimonious judgement blamimng all the problems on
the evils and incompetence of what they call Communisim.
ad nauseam ad infinitum
Ecce Homo
--
Mark Miller
Just imagine the things that could be done in the US if, for just one
year, we stopped all foreign aid. Now compare that to our "leadership
role in the world community" - you know, the one where they bomb our
embasies, protest our bases, badmouth us, kidnap us, hijack us, and
then ask for more money.
-MSM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark S. Miller "Different "In a nation ruled by swine,
UUCP: msmi...@Sun.COM things all pigs are upward mobile."
GEnie/AOL: MSMILLER vary" - Hunter S. Thompson
Henry Mensch
|> No dicko, I'm talking culture here. You know, like McDonald's,
Hungry Jack's,
|> KFC, Three's Company, 30 Something, The Golden Girls, "Coming to America",
|> Alf, Diff'rent Strokes, Life magazine, Playboy, .... America's sole
concern in
|> world politics is to find bigger markets for this crap.
yo, mindless ... ever hear of the free market? that's the part where
you have a choice. nobody forces your hand to buy into this stuff.
tell your broadcasters to buy more aussie tv shows, do up your own burgers
(everyone knows you can't get beetroot or egg on your burger at hungry
jack's, anyway), and make your own movies (but you'll have to do better
than two or three a year, 'cos otherwise it'll be so bloody BORING).
oh. there aren't any worth buying (let's see the best that aussie
tv has to offer: "hey, hey, it's saturday" ... good ol' hinch <or whatever
that loser's name is>, and the sappy soap-opera wannabe "neighbours.")
oh well.
whose fault is that, wanker?
(btw, it's "burger king" ... "hungry jack's" only exists in australia.)
# Henry Mensch / <he...@garp.mit.edu> / E40-379 MIT, Cambridge, MA
# <hme...@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay> / <he...@tts.lth.se> / <men...@munnari.oz.au>
William Steinmetz
>In article <37...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au>, far...@batserver.cs.uq.oz.au
>(Friendless) writes:
>|>bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
>|>>If America
>|>>concentrated its finances toward only resolving internal affairs, it would
>|>>lose its leadership role in the world community. Think about it.
>|>
>
>year, we stopped all foreign aid. Now compare that to our "leadership
>role in the world community" - you know, the one where they bomb our
>embasies, protest our bases, badmouth us, kidnap us, hijack us, and
>then ask for more money.
>
that are a bunch of babbling idiots? No! America should help only those
that want power and success. I'm glad present American policy does just
that.
You, like most Americans, have tunnel-vision. America's foreign
policy allows America to sell products in the foreign country and reap
huge profits. It allows America to buy foreign resources cheap and establish
military links which help place American one step closer to world domination.
Foreign policy is planning for the future. Internal reconstruction is only
a short term solution.
You delude yourself by equating terrorists with nations. In case you
didn't know, they are two distinct entities. Also, American policy does not
allow bargaining with nations that have terrorist links. Why do you think
America bombed Libya?
One more thing. Why do you think the Soviet Union is changing to a capitalist
system of government? Answer - America out spent them on military and foreign
persuasion.
Bill
Chris Faehl CIRT
>
> No dicko, I'm talking culture here. You know, like McDonald's, Hungry Jack's,
>KFC, Three's Company, 30 Something, The Golden Girls, "Coming to America",
>Alf, Diff'rent Strokes, Life magazine, Playboy, .... America's sole concern in
>world politics is to find bigger markets for this crap.
Friendless. If the above 'American' enterprises are popular in Australia,
it is the Australian people who have made it so.
That *hardly* constitutes shoving our culture down your throat.
Chris Faehl
Jay Hinkelman
>ba...@ucr.edu (john baez) writes:
>>Explain how America "shoves its culture down the throats of innocent
> No dicko, I'm talking culture here. You know, like McDonald's,
>Hungry Jack's, KFC, Three's Company, 30 Something, The Golden Girls,
>"Coming to America", Alf, Diff'rent Strokes, Life magazine, Playboy,
>.... America's sole concern in world politics is to find bigger
>markets for this crap.
Well, thank you, Friendless, for that post. You know, I was wondering
what that guy from NBC was doing with that shotgun. Apparently he was
taking it to Australia for a business meeting with the heads of the
ABC. "You WILL show Diff'rent Strokes, won't you now? There, I'm
glad this little misunderstanding has been avoided."
Listen, if the ABC is a commercial network, and nobody in Australia
watches this or that or the other program, then this or that or the
other program will go off the air. Ratings, don't ya know.
If, on the other hand, the ABC is NOT a commercial network, the fact
remains that they BOUGHT the programs. Nobody is forcing them to show
Three's Company. If you don't like what the ABC carries, pick up a
pen and some paper.
Of course, I can just here Witless here crying, "Look at this
hamburger, it's gross, I've bought 100 Big Macs in the past two years
and they've all been gross, why do the Americans keep shoving these
things at us?"
Because you buy them. If America worships the almighty dollar -- and
it does, as a whole -- then stop giving us money and we'll go away.
Idiot. Is basic economics so hard? Or are there some special
circumstances that make it all the US' fault? If there are, tell us
now, and we'll think of some appropriate epitaph for the free will of
Australian citizens.
I fully expect, however, that Friendless will interpret this as some
sort of "yank arrogance" on my part. Sorry, I can't stand Diff'rent
Strokes either. Of course, I didn't watch it when it aired here.
Hey, come to think of it, it DID go off the air here... I wonder why?
--
Jay Hinkelman, a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, ja...@purccvm.bitnet
Insanity is what happens when your pillow gets tired of being fluffed.
DISCLAIMER: Right! I'll do you for that!
"Humans? Who said anything about humans?" -- Sebastian
Art Coble
>Friendless
Hey Friendless, how does America shove it's views and culture down
the throats of UNWILLING foreigners.
It can't be T.V., movies, publications or music. These are all viewed,
read or listened to by individual choice.
It can't be American products. These are consumed by the choice of the
individual.
It can't be foreign aid and the policies that go with such aid. These
are accepted by the choice of foreign governments. Any direct blame here
would be with the whore Gov't that let itself be bought. You could
indirectly blame the USA, but that would be so... so... so... un-American!
- Art Coble
Bill Heiden
>john baez writes:
>>Explain how America "shoves its culture down the throats
>>of innocent foreigners", please. Are you talking about
>>military operations in Panama or what? Most interesting
>>would be to hear how America does this to Australia.
> No dicko, I'm talking culture here. You know, like McDonald's, Hungry Jack's,
>KFC, Three's Company, 30 Something, The Golden Girls, "Coming to America",
>Alf, Diff'rent Strokes, Life magazine, Playboy, .... America's sole concern in
>world politics is to find bigger markets for this crap. How about:
No pissant, you're talking popular culture. American culture is as varied
as the people who create/created it; Spike Lee, Jasper Johns, Duke Ellington,
Raymond Chandler, Martha Graham, Steven Spielberg, Billie Holiday, Bob Dylan,
Bette Davis, ad infinitum. Cultural interchange is a fact of life in
the global village and brought about by a demand for it. What's the big
deal with it anyway; if you don't like American pop culture, don't buy it.
> This month only at McDonald's, with every burger purchased in an environment
>friendly box, and not stuffed mindlessly into a paper bag which is chucked
>into the store bin immediately, you get FREE a kilogram of McOzone. Just open
>the zipper on the recyclable bag, and *your* contribution to the ozone layer
>will float up and solve the world's problems.
Do you recycle your cans, bottles, newspapers, et al? Do you avoid
using toxic cleaners, lead-based paint, non-rechargeable batteries, or
insecticides? Do you avoid using your automobile for unnecessary trips?
The problem with the global environment starts in your own backyard;
think globally, act locally.
> This week on Diff'rent Strokes, Arnold has a sore tooth. But we're not going
>to show you this episode, because it will fry your brain.
It's too bad you haven't been following Diff'rent Strokes story. Gary
Coleman (Arnold) is currently in a legal battle over his earnings with his
parents. Todd Bridges (Willis) is picked up about every other week for
either shooting a drug dealer or getting caught with a pocket full of rocks.
Dana Plato (teenage sister character) now works in a dry cleaning shop in
Vegas for $3.75 a hour and bitches that the only parts offered to her are
XXX. The real good story only started after the show went off the air.
> Out now in the May edition of Playboy - Hugh's new 2000 hectare estate, and
>how he turned it into a nature reserve. Also, an article on why big fat men
>produce more methane than skinny ones, and what they can do about it. How to
>give up smoking and a few tits and bums.
Don't cut Playboy short. It is probably one of the most influential period-
icals in the 20th century. Playboy helped spur on the sexual revolution;
read "Thy Neighbor's Wife" by Gay Talese for a interesting history of
Playboy and it's profound effect on modern culture.
> John Baez, you are a mindless git. I think I'll ignore you until you say
>something worthwhile.
Baez is more like a dweeb. Put him in a KILL file, if you choose to ignore
him.
>Friendless
Like it or not, the States have a profound effect on the "global village".
The pop culture you're talking about is not forced down anyone's throats, but
rather demanded; everyone wants their MTV.
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* Bill Heiden The views expressed here do not represent *
* Locus Computing my employers. *
* Inglewood, Ca *
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Stephen King
>yo, mindless ... ever hear of the free market?
I've heard of such a concept, but never actually believed that it existed.
>that's the part where you have a choice.
Yeah, right, a choice between McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, or Denny's.
Hobson's choice, I'd call it, and so would you if you'd spent any time on
the Pennsylvania Turnpike( or any other major US highway, I would presume).
The real choice is whether to eat at one of theses American centers of 'haut
cuisine', or starve to death.
>nobody forces your hand to buy into this stuff.
Nor do they leave you any alternatives. As far as TV shows, look at how
many cartoon shows are really marketing gimmicks for the toy manufacturers.
Look at how many sugary cereals (part of this complete breaksfast (gag))
are flogged to kids too young to understand how to choose properly. Free
market my arse. (that's an expression of disgust, not an invitation)
>whose fault is that, wanker?
Big business, money hungry shitheads not interested in anyone else's
welfare, and the stupid 90% of the marketplace that doesn't understand
what's happening to this world.
Scot Griffin
Reply-To: jin...@athena.mit.edu (Scot Griffin)
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***The Search for Inspector Gadget's Brain***
Reading e-mail has never been what I considered to be an interesting
pastime, but today was the exception.
I had logged in to Athena, hoping to get warmed up by alt.flame, but
I never even got to read the news. It seems that there was a piece
of mail waiting for me, a piece of mail that would change my plans
for a couple of days.
My name is Griffin, Griff for short. I'm an alt.flame poster, or
as we like to say in the trade: a public dick.
I was surprised to find a message from Inspector Gadget's shrink
waiting for me. The words hit heavy, the pixels burning themselves
into my mind: "Urgent: Inspector Gadget has lost his brain!"
I thought it was some kind of joke, I wasn't even aware that Iggy
had a brain. The rest of the message wasn't as much of a shock,
but the picture was brought into sharper focus.
It had been business as usual in the Oz Institute for Mental
Degenerates. Iggy still drooled, yanked, and typed; and they
had actually put Christo on an outpatient status. However,
shortly after Christo was released, Iggy became despondent.
At first, the staff thought that he was just upset at losing
his longtime companion and butt-buddy Christo. But, as time
dragged on, they realized that the problem was much more severe than
that. True, Iggy continued to yank and drool, but his postings
had become *completely* unintelligible, rather than just the normal
rantings of a simpleton.
The doc had performed a physical on Iggy, and upon grabbing him by
the throat and shaking violently his worst fears were realized.
Iggy's pea-sized brain had somehow been misplaced. A thorough
search was conducted, but they came up empty.
He suspected foul play, and so did I. I flew right over. After
all, we public dicks have to look out for our own.
There are some parts of the trip that I just don't have the stomach
to relate, one of them being the Inspector's physical appearance. One
look at him and I puked all over the poor little bugger. He didn't
mind.
After visiting the Institute, I proceeded to track down Christo. It
turned out that he lived on a farm. Of course, the farmer didn't
know this when I asked him, but I took a look at the pig pen. Sure
enough, Christo was there rolling in shit and loving it.
"Yo! Christo!" I shouted. He didn't seem to notice.
"Whaaa...?" he replied, five minutes later.
We're talking serious propagation delay. Christo was beyond slow.
He got up and began walking towards me. He covered fifty feet in a
little under an hour.
I didn't ask him any questions, I didn't have a lifetime to waste
waiting for his replies. My hand closed about his scrawny neck, and
I gave him a good shake.
"ticka-ICKA, ticka-ICKA, ticka-ICKA"
My suspicions were confirmed. He had two brains in there, not just one!
I placed my left hand over his right ear and gave him a resounding slap
upside the head. Two objects fell into my hand, one much larger than the
other. I pocketed the larger one and replaced the other. With a quick
shake of his neck, I knew that my choice was correct.
"ticka, ticka, ticka"
As I was leaving, I heard Christo scream in agony. He was even slower
without Iggy's boost.
I'm back at MIT, and Christo has rejoined Iggy back at the home. Iggy
spews shit, and Christo tries to emulate him--failing miserably.
I do have new respect for Inspector Gadget,though. He has somebody that
he can outwit---Christo.
---Griff
Dave Hill
Maybe if you had a culture of your own you wouldn't be so
susceptible to others?
Maybe if you quit whining so much and took responsibility
for your own perceived problems you'd have a bit less trouble
fighting the rising tide of imperialist yankee hamburgers?
And maybe, just maybe, if you didn't spend so much time squawking
like a parrot with a stick up its ass, people might not laugh
quite so hard when you try to make a point.
Dave
Asmodeus
Steinmetz) babbles idiotically:
>Where else can you find living specimans of sub-humans?
American Micro Devices -- instead of in remedial sixth grade
spelling classes, where they belong.
Sputum.
--
"Black people who were sold to white slave traders were the ones that the
African tribe leaders figured they could do without. One reason for this
might have been intelligence. That explains blacks in this country."
-- Peter M. Ullman
Friendless
> Hey Friendless, how does America shove it's views and culture down
> the throats of UNWILLING foreigners.
Not so much unwilling as too stupid to know better. For example, there once
was a moderately good English sitcom called "Man About the House", about a guy
living with two cute girls. Then out of America came "Three's Company", with
the same premise, only a whole lot less subtle, and mostly earning its laughs
from the goggle-eyed man downstairs, Don Knotts. But still, Bruce and Raelene
watched this show as avidly as they watched the higher quality English
version. This pisses me off.
What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually blatantly
American - Happy Days, Diff'rent Strokes, Benson - those sorts of things never
ever occurred in Australia. But Australian kids don't know that. Of course, if
you live in Milwaukee, Happy Days will probably give you a fair idea of what
the 50s were like, in a limited sense.
Also, American sitcoms are blatantly dumb. Say Alf, and the Golden Girls,
are not big on intellectual content, because they are designed for lowest
common denominator, which I read once was about 10 year old standard. It's
pretty sad when "grown-ups" watch them, though. Probably the best example of
dumbness is the popularity of ridiculous actors (actors who are deliberately
ridiculous) like Lucille Ball, Don Knotts, Phyllis Diller, Gene Wilder, Peewee
Herman,... probably more.
My final gripe is laugh-tracks. Maybe non-American shows use them too, but I
haven't noticed it so much. Now when something is funny, I will laugh anyway.
Laugh-tracks are brainwashing, and immediately alienate me.
Now the trouble is, with all American things, there is no interest in
quality. The only concern is what will sell. Now given something that is
designed to sell, it will, particularly to people who are not concerned about
quality. This is how America forces its culture down their throats.
Of course you're going to say they're willing. But then again, offer to
abolish tax, and see how many people vote for you. What people want isn't what
they should have, and them wanting it is no excuse for giving it away. After
all, Noriega was sending drugs to willing Americans, and look at the shit he
got into.
Friendless
Mark Miller
(William Steinmetz) writes:
|>In article <19...@east.East.Sun.COM> msmi...@Sun.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
|>>Just imagine the things that could be done in the US if, for just one
|>>year, we stopped all foreign aid. Now compare that to our "leadership
|>>role in the world community" - you know, the one where they bomb our
|>>embasies, protest our bases, badmouth us, kidnap us, hijack us, and
|>>then ask for more money.
|>>
|>What could be done? Feed those that don't want to work? Help the minorities
|>that are a bunch of babbling idiots? No! America should help only those
|>that want power and success. I'm glad present American policy does just
|>that.
What kind of racist shit is this? So, you don't like minorities, eh? That's
just TOO FUCKING BAD. Which minorities do you feel are "babbling idiots"?
I'm sure there's all kinds of people who are real interested to hear your
opinion on that. Do you own a tire iron?
As far as those funds that could be diverted internally: how about cancer
research, financial aid for college, money given back to the states to
pay teachers and police and fireman a better wage, environmental cleanup
(in case Exxon fucks up again), and a whole piss-pot full of other things
that need doing. Hey, how about bailing out the high-tech industry so
we still have one by the end of the decade? Do these offend your ideals too?
|>You, like most Americans, have tunnel-vision. America's foreign
|>policy allows America to sell products in the foreign country and reap
|>huge profits. It allows America to buy foreign resources cheap and establish
|>military links which help place American one step closer to world
domination.
|>Foreign policy is planning for the future. Internal reconstruction is only
|>a short term solution.
Really? Like, say, in Japan? You only need to look at Russia to see what
the cost of screwing up your country's infrastructure can lead to. World
Domination? Who the fuck wants it - it's just full of foreigners :-).
|>You delude yourself by equating terrorists with nations. In case you
|>didn't know, they are two distinct entities. Also, American policy does not
|>allow bargaining with nations that have terrorist links. Why do you think
|>America bombed Libya?
Geeeee. Really? Then what the FUCK was Ollie North doing that Ronnie forgot
all about? So, we didn't send those rockets to Iran, right? You believe
those lying maggots in D.C.? And on that "candygram" we sent to Kadhaffi
(or however they spell his name) - wasn't it NICE how our good friend
and ally FRANCE wouldn't let us fly over their country. Cut of their
damn foreign aid and all shipments of Jerry Lewis movies! Give em a
good reason to spit on us - for a change.
|>One more thing. Why do you think the Soviet Union is changing to a
capitalist
|>system of government? Answer - America out spent them on military and
foreign
|>persuasion.
Only part right. The Russians are purely terrified of our technology. Which
is one reason they spend so heavily. The conditions in the USSR now aren't
all that different from 50 years ago (lines, KGB, etc.). It just took half
a century for the old bastards who ran the country to finally get the fuck
out of the way. They couldn't give 2 shits if the UN told them to go
capitalist - the pressure is internal. They are realizing what we SHOULD
be realizing: that owning half the world doesn't make a bit of difference
if your own people are unhappy.
Have a nice day - and look out for those babbling idiot minorities, or
one of them might kick the living shit out of you some day.
William Steinmetz
>In article <1990May30....@bach.amd.com>, bi...@pepsi.amd.com
>(William Steinmetz) writes:
>|>What could be done? Feed those that don't want to work? Help the minorities
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>that are a bunch of babbling idiots? No! America should help only those
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>that want power and success. I'm glad present American policy does just
>|>that.
>
>What kind of racist shit is this? So, you don't like minorities, eh? That's
>just TOO FUCKING BAD. Which minorities do you feel are "babbling idiots"?
>I'm sure there's all kinds of people who are real interested to hear your
>opinion on that. Do you own a tire iron?
All I can say is that Hitler should have completed the job!
Also, look at statistics. I just read a report on the injustice of college
admission quotas. The gist of the article is that if no minority quotas
were instituted and only academic prowess was required, 96% of America's
universities would be filled with whites. Odd that minorites just can't
cut it. I view minorities as the missing link in the evolution theory.
Where else can you find living specimans of sub-humans?
>
>As far as those funds that could be diverted internally: how about cancer
>research, financial aid for college, money given back to the states to
>pay teachers and police and fireman a better wage, environmental cleanup
>(in case Exxon fucks up again), and a whole piss-pot full of other things
>that need doing. Hey, how about bailing out the high-tech industry so
>we still have one by the end of the decade? Do these offend your ideals too?
Why is this government based on capitalism. If the need for these items
was great enough, private enterprise would foot the bill. To show you how
sad you are, you use the Exxon-mess as an example. Tell me why the US
government/people should pay for the Exxon mishap. I think most people would
agree that Exxon should bear the entire bill.
>
>
>|>You delude yourself by equating terrorists with nations. In case you
>|>didn't know, they are two distinct entities. Also, American policy does not
>|>allow bargaining with nations that have terrorist links. Why do you think
>|>America bombed Libya?
>
>Geeeee. Really? Then what the FUCK was Ollie North doing that Ronnie forgot
>all about? So, we didn't send those rockets to Iran, right? You believe
>those lying maggots in D.C.? And on that "candygram" we sent to Kadhaffi
>(or however they spell his name) - wasn't it NICE how our good friend
>and ally FRANCE wouldn't let us fly over their country. Cut of their
>damn foreign aid and all shipments of Jerry Lewis movies! Give em a
>good reason to spit on us - for a change.
Can you read? The idea behind the Iran-Contra deal was to supply the anti-
Ayatollah (who gives a fuck how it is spelled) factions with weapons and to
rescue American lives. You must agree that it seems petty to give a few
weapons to save Americans. (Even though most are babbling idiots.)
Isn't funny how the French embassy in Libya was bombed too?
>
>|>One more thing. Why do you think the Soviet Union is changing to a
>capitalist
>|>system of government? Answer - America out spent them on military and
>foreign
>|>persuasion.
>
>Only part right. The Russians are purely terrified of our technology. Which
>is one reason they spend so heavily. The conditions in the USSR now aren't
>all that different from 50 years ago (lines, KGB, etc.). It just took half
>a century for the old bastards who ran the country to finally get the fuck
>out of the way. They couldn't give 2 shits if the UN told them to go
>capitalist - the pressure is internal. They are realizing what we SHOULD
>be realizing: that owning half the world doesn't make a bit of difference
>if your own people are unhappy.
How can you be so narrow-minded? The Russians are restructuring to become
a dominating factor in both economics and military strength. You think they
want peace? Read the Soviet-doctrine. Their primary goal today as it was
40-50 years ago is to control the world.
Funny how the Soviets let Estonia, Latvia, etc. break away without
intervention!
>
>Have a nice day - and look out for those babbling idiot minorities, or
>one of them might kick the living shit out of you some day.
>
They've tried and they ended up in the hospital.
Bill
Mark Smith
> You delude yourself by equating terrorists with nations. In case you
> didn't know, they are two distinct entities. Also, American policy does not
> allow bargaining with nations that have terrorist links. Why do you think
> America bombed Libya?
Top Ten Reasons Why America Bombed Libya:
10
American policy does not allow bargaining with nations that have terrorist links
9
It was a General Dynamics factory acceptance test
8
All the Marines asked to be posted to Guam
7
Ron rented Rambo III the night before
6
The State Department was tired of trying to spell Gadaf..Quadaf..what's his name
5
Mercury was in the Seventh House, and Jupiter and Mars were aligned
4
Somebody let Ollie North near the big red phone
3
It was all Margaret Thatcher's idea
2
Robert Morris ran /usr/local/bin/diecamelfucker on one of the Pentagon's VAXen.
1
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Alex Leavens
(William Steinmetz) blathers:
>In article <19...@east.East.Sun.COM> msmi...@Sun.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>>In article <1990May30....@bach.amd.com>, bi...@pepsi.amd.com
>>(William Steinmetz) writes:
>>|>What could be done? Feed those that don't want to work? Help the minorities
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>|>that are a bunch of babbling idiots? No! America should help only those
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>|>that want power and success. I'm glad present American policy does just
>>|>that.
>>
>>What kind of racist shit is this? So, you don't like minorities, eh? That's
>>just TOO FUCKING BAD. Which minorities do you feel are "babbling idiots"?
>>I'm sure there's all kinds of people who are real interested to hear your
>>opinion on that. Do you own a tire iron?
>
>All I can say is that Hitler should have completed the job!
>Also, look at statistics. I just read a report on the injustice of college
>admission quotas. The gist of the article is that if no minority quotas
>were instituted and only academic prowess was required, 96% of America's
>universities would be filled with whites. Odd that minorites just can't
>cut it. I view minorities as the missing link in the evolution theory.
>Where else can you find living specimans of sub-humans?
Gee, Bill, what a swell attitude you have. Aside from the fact that I simply
don't beleive your numbers (How about a source, pal? And not the
Arayan Nation Monthly, either), have you thought about _why_ some minorities
have a smaller percentage of 'academically gifted' members than others?
Could it be that certain minorities in this country are consistently denied
access to better educational opportunities? Naw, that can't be it.
They're just f***** stupid. You ever read "The Mismeasure of Man" by
Stephen Jay Gould? Naw. Didn't think so.
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William Steinmetz
>>bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>|>that are a bunch of babbling idiots? No! America should help only those
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>
Just don't puke in my direction!
Bill
William Steinmetz
that people actually took it seriously. I was just trying to find a subject
that would get people "flaming" mad.
Bill
Mark Miller
Anyone who uses the line "Hitler shoulda finished the job" will get
instant shit. Unfortunately, some of us have had to deal with this
flavor of racism often enough to take any mention of it seriously.
VERY seriously.
It is a very poor choice of subject matter for alt.flame unless you
are being extremely clear that it is a joke. Genocide really isn't
the stuff great jokes are made of.
Enough said.
Dave Hill
>
> All I can say is that Hitler should have completed the job!
Yeah. He should have started with your mother.
> Where else can you find living specimans of sub-humans?
> Why is this government based on capitalism.
Was that a question?
I'll assume it was, as you seem to be of very limited intelligence
and probably don't know what that '?' key is for.
Anyway, I'll take it slow. Where were we? (<indicates a question)
Ah fuck it. If you don't know the difference between an economic
system and a system of government, I'm not going to waste my time.
You should consider going back to school. That is, if you can
get accepted. Too bad all those nasty sub-humans are taking up
so many of the available slots.
But then again, you should have learned what capitalism is in, oh,
about the sixth grade.
> sad you are, you use the Exxon-mess as an example. Tell me why the US
> government/people should pay for the Exxon mishap. I think most people would
> agree that Exxon should bear the entire bill.
Yeah let Exxon clean it up. They'll do a SUPER fucking job
and they won't raise their prices ONE CENT to cover the cost.
You stupid fuck.
> How can you be so narrow-minded?
Maybe by taking lessons from you?
Dave
Friendless
>bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>that are a bunch of babbling idiots? No! America should help only those
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What kind of racist shit is this?
Yeah Bill, ya bloody racist. Your kind makes me puke.
Friendless, the kill-file man
Jay Hinkelman
>In article <25...@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> he...@garp.mit.edu (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>that's the part where you have a choice.
>Yeah, right, a choice between McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, or Denny's.
Why? Can't you cook? Not willing to learn? Do I detect a note of
apathy here? (Gee, I feel REAL strongly about all this American
pop-culture, but I'm not willing to actually do any work to avoid
partaking in it...)
>The real choice is whether to eat at one of theses American centers of 'haut
>cuisine', or starve to death.
Hey, what if you were to start your OWN RESTAURANT! There's a
thought... people do it in this country!
>>nobody forces your hand to buy into this stuff.
>Nor do they leave you any alternatives.
Sigh.
>>whose fault is that?
>Big business, money hungry shitheads not interested in anyone else's
>welfare, and the stupid 90% of the marketplace that doesn't understand
>what's happening to this world.
So you're saying that the stupid people will all become intelligent if
we take away all their bad choices? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Mark Smith
> And maybe, just maybe, if you didn't spend so much time squawking
> like a parrot with a stick up its ass, people might not laugh
> quite so hard when you try to make a point.
Why don't you just buy a pencil sharpener like everybody else?
Art Coble
>> Hey Friendless, how does America shove it's views and culture down
>> the throats of UNWILLING foreigners.
>
> Not so much unwilling as too stupid to know better. For example, there once
"Unwilling" was the word you used. Stupid is more realistic. Apathy is
probably the root of the problem.
>was a moderately good English sitcom called "Man About the House", about a guy
>living with two cute girls. Then out of America came "Three's Company", with
>the same premise, only a whole lot less subtle, and mostly earning its laughs
>from the goggle-eyed man downstairs, Don Knotts. But still, Bruce and Raelene
>watched this show as avidly as they watched the higher quality English
>version. This pisses me off.
>
> What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually blatantly
^^^^^^^^^
>American - Happy Days, Diff'rent Strokes, Benson - those sorts of things never
^^^^^^^^
They're developed by Americans for Americans. Foreign viewers are nothing
more than a bonus royalty check. It's sad but true. Don't blame America
as a whole.
>ever occurred in Australia. But Australian kids don't know that. Of course, if
>you live in Milwaukee, Happy Days will probably give you a fair idea of what
>the 50s were like, in a limited sense.
^^^^^^^
Very limited. With the exception of documentries and some news programs,
American media is more fantasy than reality. Sitcoms are nothing more than
a formula contrived to numb the viewers brains long enough to make them watch
the commercials.
> Also, American sitcoms are blatantly dumb. Say Alf, and the Golden Girls,
>are not big on intellectual content, because they are designed for lowest
>common denominator, which I read once was about 10 year old standard. It's
>pretty sad when "grown-ups" watch them, though. Probably the best example of
It's an outrage and an insult to the American public and any other viewing
public. But you must realize the blame lies with Entertainment Industry.
The Entertainment industry is a very small minority. You can't blame
the American public as a whole for producing this crap.
>dumbness is the popularity of ridiculous actors (actors who are deliberately
>ridiculous) like Lucille Ball, Don Knotts, Phyllis Diller, Gene Wilder, Peewee
>Herman,... probably more.
> My final gripe is laugh-tracks. Maybe non-American shows use them too, but I
>haven't noticed it so much. Now when something is funny, I will laugh anyway.
>Laugh-tracks are brainwashing, and immediately alienate me.
You, me and anyone else that doesn't appreciate people fucking with their
minds. We would all probably be amazed at how many people don't even know
that laugh tracks exist.
> Now the trouble is, with all American things, there is no interest in
>quality. The only concern is what will sell. Now given something that is
^^^^^^^
You are generalizing again and that pisses me off to no end. For every
piece off shit American product you can name, I can name a superior one.
My personal favorites are American made guitars. Nothing comes close to
American made Fender strats, and Gibsons.
As far as being in it only for the bucks....You are generalizing again
and showing your ignorance. There are many people who produce fine
goods and services in this country for the love of the product and craft-
menship involved, NOT the love of a fucking dollar bill.
>designed to sell, it will, particularly to people who are not concerned about
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>quality. This is how America forces its culture down their throats.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look man, everybody posseses a brain (with the exception of Kaldis, of course.)
And everybody has a responsibility to themselves and others to use their
brain. If something is shit don't buy (import) it. If American T.V. is
an insult to your intelligence - turn the fucker off. DON'T SUPPORT IT!
You are not being forced to do a damn thing.
The real problem is apathy. Most folks take what is presented to them
and accept it. Some of the real contributors to this world are the ones
that say fuck it, go against the odds and produce something better.
> Of course you're going to say they're willing. But then again, offer to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>abolish tax, and see how many people vote for you. What people want isn't what
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Say what??!!!!
>they should have, and them wanting it is no excuse for giving it away. After
>all, Noriega was sending drugs to willing Americans, and look at the shit he
>got into.
Unfortunately, it's a cold, cruel world out there, bubba.
People have to wake up, watch their asses (and minds) and stop supporting
this shit. This will cause it's eventual demise.
>Friendless
- Art Coble
Mark Miller
(William Steinmetz) writes:
|>All I can say is that Hitler should have completed the job!
Oh REALLY!? Oh boy ... a true-blue ... er -white ... Nazi. How many of
you types does AMD have? Are they real proud to have you on board?
|>Also, look at statistics. I just read a report on the injustice of college
|>admission quotas. The gist of the article is that if no minority quotas
|>were instituted and only academic prowess was required, 96% of America's
|>universities would be filled with whites. Odd that minorites just can't
|>cut it. I view minorities as the missing link in the evolution theory.
Who wrote the report? Henry Himmler? So, you're basically saying that
non-whites just can't cut it? No Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Blacks,
Jews, or whatever? Wow. You are one seriously misguided idiot. Stop
reading Mein Kampf for a minute and look AROUND you.
|>Where else can you find living specimans of sub-humans?
Well, you're living proof of that they exist in Fornicalia. You make T*d
look like a liberal (Ooo ... the L-word!).
|>Why is this government based on capitalism. If the need for these items
|>was great enough, private enterprise would foot the bill. To show you how
|>sad you are, you use the Exxon-mess as an example. Tell me why the US
|>government/people should pay for the Exxon mishap. I think most people would
|>agree that Exxon should bear the entire bill.
Well, true. Exxon should be nailed up for that. But then there's a hundred
other crimes against the environment that are "blameless". And you don't
want to find a cure for cancer or have teachers get paid better or any of
that, right? Of course not, as long as you have money, fuck everyone else.
This is capitalism! What possible use is a crummy high-school teacher anyway
when you can afford to go to a private school with all the other Hitler
Youth? There is a vast difference between going Commie and improving the
existing services our government provides. It's bad enough we get taxed
up the wazzoo, but lets at least spend the shit at home for a change.
How about an easy one that pondscum like you could get behind: lets have
the government pay our Olympic athletes while they train so we don't get
our collective asses kicked up and down the field in the next Olympics -
AGAIN. Must drive a supremist like you bonkers to see all those sub-humans
winning all the medals, huh?
|>Can you read? The idea behind the Iran-Contra deal was to supply the anti-
|>Ayatollah (who gives a fuck how it is spelled) factions with weapons and to
|>rescue American lives. You must agree that it seems petty to give a few
|>weapons to save Americans. (Even though most are babbling idiots.)
Suuuuuuure it was. I bet you read the Enquirer, huh? The only way those
weapons should have been delivered was armed and well aimed.
|>Isn't funny how the French embassy in Libya was bombed too?
Yeah. That was a good one. "Ooops ... sorry about that ... assholes."
|>How can you be so narrow-minded? The Russians are restructuring to become
|>a dominating factor in both economics and military strength. You think they
|>want peace? Read the Soviet-doctrine. Their primary goal today as it was
|>40-50 years ago is to control the world.
Hahahaha ... you been spending time on Ronny's ranch or what? Doctrine
changes. For a long while the US was isolationist, and look how we've
changed. The world is changing, policies and national priorities will
shift as a result. You want to live back in 1954? Well, you have the
right to be a backward thinking fascist puke. Russia's "goal" after the
revolution, and especially after WW2, was to protect her border. This
is why they grabbed all them satellite countries - as a buffer. They
had been invaded BIG TIME often enough to get real paranoid.
The best thing that could happen to this country right now would be
for Russia to open its borders to us and let free trade and exchange
commence. It would be an economic bonanza for us and, as US industry
started operations in Russia, it would raise their standard of living.
It would also get rid of the old hatreds that you want to preserve
and Americans would find out that the Russians really aren't all that
different from us. It would also send a massive shock wave through
the rest of the world and really shake things up. There are a lot of
governments who have been using the US-USSR conflict to their advantage
for way too many years.
|>Funny how the Soviets let Estonia, Latvia, etc. break away without
|>intervention!
Not really. Seems pretty consistant, actually. Russia needs to take care of
business at home ... in a big way.
|>>Have a nice day - and look out for those babbling idiot minorities, or
|>>one of them might kick the living shit out of you some day.
|>>
|>They've tried and they ended up in the hospital.
Yeah, sure, just like they can't cut it in college, right?
Adios, fuckhead.
Dave Hill
> quality. The only concern is what will sell. Now given something that is
> designed to sell, it will, particularly to people who are not concerned about
> quality. This is how America forces its culture down their throats.
Run that by me again, will you mate?
You buy our shit because ozzieland is full of
"people who are not concerned about quality".
and it's OUR problem?
Dave
John Thompson
>> Hey Friendless, how does America shove it's views and culture down
>> the throats of UNWILLING foreigners.
>
> Not so much unwilling as too stupid to know better.
> But still, Bruce and Raelene
>watched this show as avidly as they watched the higher quality English
>version. This pisses me off.
Friendless,
As the old saying goes, from your mouth to god's ears. If Bruce and Raelene
are to stupid to know better, why get pissed off? Does their stupidity in
anyway harm you? Other than to piss you off that your particular view of
good taste is not accepted by the majority of Aussies? Considering some
of the statements that you have made here, this would hardly suprise me. The
bottom line is that YOU don't like American TV, and you think that it is very
unfair that you are forced to watch it. Do you know what the "off" knob is
intended to be used for? If you don't turn it off, then don't claim that you
are "unwilling". If they don't turn it off, don't claim that they are either.
> What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually blatantly
>American
Well, blow us over with a writer's culture. Considering that most American
sitcoms are writen by Americans, filmed by American crews, directed by American
directors, and acted by ( largely ) American actors, why should this be such
a suprise? I mean, when I see a German film or show, I expect to see cross
references to German culture. Likewise with Japanese, Italian, English, Finnish,
Serbo-Croation, Zulu, Indian, Mongolian or any other place that does films or
shows. It is petty and lame to say that a product of a particular cultural
reference point is bad because it is a product of that reference point. It
begs the question, what would be an acceptable reference point to you? If you
answer that only an Australian viewpoint is, what does that say about your
much vaunted openness?
"And I, I just took a ride, on my Silver Machine, and I'm feeling mean."
-Hawkwind
Gene W. Smith
>What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually
>blatantly American - Happy Days, Diff'rent Strokes, Benson -
>those sorts of things never ever occurred in Australia.
Dear Friendless (or should it be Clueless?). This stuff is
not "Art", nor is it intended to be "Art". Intelligent people
almost never watch it, which is why we export it to Australia.
The reason why "those sorts of things" never happen in Australia
is that they never happen anywhere.
>Also, American sitcoms are blatantly dumb.
See above. If they weren't blatantly dumb, the typical
blatantly dumb Aussie (exactly similar to the typical BD
American) wouldn't watch it.
>Now given something that is designed to sell, it will,
>particularly to people who are not concerned about quality. This
>is how America forces its culture down their throats.
In other words, it is the fault of USA that Australians are
morons?
>What people want isn't what they should have, and them wanting it
>is no excuse for giving it away.
I agree. I suggest bastinado and public execution for Fred
Silverman, followed by an international purge of most rock
musicians. Australia would be warned never to send us any more
crappy movies, or face nuclear retaliation.
--
ucbvax!garnet!gsmith Gene Ward Smith/Garnetgangster/Berkeley CA 94720
"I do not like broccoli, and I haven't liked it since I was a little kid,
and my mother made me eat it, and I'm President of the United States and
I'M NOT GOING TO EAT ANY MORE BROCCOLI!" -- George Herbert Walker Bush
Trashy
(Mark Smith) writes:
>Top Ten Reasons Why America Bombed Libya:
>It was all Margaret Thatcher's idea
She did think it was a neat idea. After all, those
were Air Force planes, right, not Navy ones, that
did the bombing. Which means they were based on land.
Now where might they have been based?
Thought so.
--
Barry Schwartz b...@hankel.rutgers.edu
(When I am in Canada, try {...rutgers}!utai!lsuc!nrcaer!alzabo!trashman)
Trashy
]> Hey Friendless, how does America shove it's views and culture down
]> the throats of UNWILLING foreigners.
]
] Not so much unwilling as too stupid to know better. For example, there once
]was a moderately good English sitcom called "Man About the House", about a guy
]living with two cute girls. Then out of America came "Three's Company", with
]the same premise, only a whole lot less subtle, and mostly earning its laughs
]from the goggle-eyed man downstairs, Don Knotts. But still, Bruce and Raelene
]watched this show as avidly as they watched the higher quality English
]version. This pisses me off.
If you weren't such a wonderless wit you'd realise that both those
sitcoms suck.
] What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually blatantly
]American - Happy Days, Diff'rent Strokes, Benson - those sorts of things never
]ever occurred in Australia. But Australian kids don't know that. Of course, if
]you live in Milwaukee, Happy Days will probably give you a fair idea of what
]the 50s were like, in a limited sense.
In what limited sense would that be, Endless? How much do you
know about Milwaukee, and how much do you know about the 1950s?
] Also, American sitcoms are blatantly dumb. Say Alf, and the Golden Girls,
]are not big on intellectual content, because they are designed for lowest
]common denominator, which I read once was about 10 year old standard.
10-year olds do know how to turn on a television set, you know.
They even know how to select the program they want. And they
have a big selection. They can, for instance, select reruns of
early _All in the Family_ episodes. They can also select reruns
of _Barney Miller_. But if they choose to resort to the recent productions,
they might select _The Cosby Show_ or _Mr. Belvedere_.
]It's
]pretty sad when "grown-ups" watch them, though. Probably the best example of
]dumbness is the popularity of ridiculous actors (actors who are deliberately
]ridiculous) like Lucille Ball, Don Knotts, Phyllis Diller, Gene Wilder, Peewee
]Herman,... probably more.
When did Phyllis Diller become popular? (?????)
And why do you classify Gene Wilder as "ridiculous"? How much are
you familiar with Gene Wilder? Have you seen _The Producers_?
Have you seen _Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex..._?
(You ought to appreciate his role in the latter flick.)
] My final gripe is laugh-tracks. Maybe non-American shows use them too, but I
]haven't noticed it so much. Now when something is funny, I will laugh anyway.
]Laugh-tracks are brainwashing, and immediately alienate me.
Yes, I imagine you can't keep your _My Favorite Martian_
antennae retracted. All those laugh tracks have the same effect
on you as a Carasso .sig.
] Now the trouble is, with all American things, there is no interest in
]quality. The only concern is what will sell. Now given something that is
]designed to sell, it will, particularly to people who are not concerned about
]quality. This is how America forces its culture down their throats.
] Of course you're going to say they're willing. But then again, offer to
]abolish tax, and see how many people vote for you. What people want isn't what
]they should have, and them wanting it is no excuse for giving it away. After
]all, Noriega was sending drugs to willing Americans, and look at the shit he
]got into.
(a) You are a patronising prick not fit to judge those you deem to judge.
You say this about "Bruce and Raelene," but you never consider what
"Bruce and Raelene" are saying about you.
(b) You are a moron, if you think Noriega was overthrown on account
of an outstanding arrest warrant for drug smuggling. International
politics is more subtle than your pulsing neuron can fathom (and it
isn't all that subtle).
Jonathan D.
> co...@ttidca.TTI.COM (Art Coble) writes:
> Not so much unwilling as too stupid to know better. For example, there once
>was a moderately good English sitcom called "Man About the House", about a guy
>living with two cute girls. Then out of America came "Three's Company", with
>the same premise, only a whole lot less subtle, and mostly earning its laughs
>from the goggle-eyed man downstairs, Don Knotts.
You haven't seen the stupidity of the series when Norman Fell was on
it, then? The show boils down to this:
Jack (or one of the current two women living there) tell the others
about something happening in their lives. The person leaves. The
other two find out that something's wrong with what the person's
doing. So, they stumble around to find evidence about this. Twenty
five minutes later, they confront the person and tell them what's
wrong with what the person is doing, and of course, they were wrong
about everything. Everyone laughs. Roll credits.
So? How can you (or anyone, for that matter) judge an entire culture
by seeing only a part of the evidence? Judging from the infantile
postings you guys call flames I'd have to say that all Aussies are
really juvenile delinquents masquerading as adults who like to talk
about their dicks. But I won't do that until I know more.
> What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually blatantly
>American - Happy Days, Diff'rent Strokes, Benson - those sorts of things never
>ever occurred in Australia. But Australian kids don't know that. Of course, if
>you live in Milwaukee, Happy Days will probably give you a fair idea of what
>the 50s were like, in a limited sense.
Whose fault is it that Aussie Kids don't know their own past? Go
ahead, blame us for your own failures. Geez.
> My final gripe is laugh-tracks. Maybe non-American shows use them too, but I
>haven't noticed it so much. Now when something is funny, I will laugh anyway.
>Laugh-tracks are brainwashing, and immediately alienate me.
So, of course, you assume that since these shows have laugh tracks all
Americans must need to be told what's funny. Well, d00d, I got news
for ya...
Patricia O Tuama
>Proud Americans? If you can find pride among the general populace, please
>point it out.
Gee, we just can't win here -- either those silly Australian twits
are pissing and moaning because they think we are too arrogant or
else Bill here is whining because he doesn't think we are arrogant
enough.
>I agree with you completely. Intelligent sentence content bears much more
>influence. Most responders of alt.flame have a limited vocabulary and
>constrictive intelligence. Hence, one more supporting reason for my harsh
>criticisms of the American people.
Oh, go ahead and sprinkle a few hells and fucks into your arti-
cles, dear. What difference can it possibly make? It's not as
though you 're capable of "intelligent sentence content" anyway.
Patricia O Tuama
> No pissant, you're talking popular culture. American culture is as varied
> as the people who create/created it; Spike Lee, Jasper Johns, Duke Ellington,
> Raymond Chandler, Martha Graham, Steven Spielberg, Billie Holiday, Bob Dylan,
> Bette Davis, ad infinitum.
Pop culture is also a reflection of democracy, nations mired
aristocratic, totalitarian or facist governments do not pro-
duce pop culture.
> Baez is more like a dweeb.
Hey, for a "dweeb" he sure diagnosed the Australian epidemic
accurately, there is no way you can argue with his assessment
that they suffer from a virulent strain of Inferiority Complex
Type A.
Tom Maddox
>Intelligent sentence content bears much more
>influence. Most responders of alt.flame have a limited vocabulary and
>constrictive intelligence.
It's always interesting to watch someone try to express abstract
notions in a language they've imperfectly mastered. And it's usually
instructive to examine the ways they go wrong.
How could "content" ("intelligent," "sentence," or otherwise)
"bear" "influence"? Intelligent content could *have more influence*, could *be
more influential*, etc. than unintelligent content; perhaps that's what the
writer meant. In any case, he would be well-advised to write fewer sentences
containing only abstractions--writing such sentences requires
higher-order capabilities that the writer obviously doesn't possess.
In the next sentence, the phrase "responders of alt.flame" is a
clue: it shows that the writer hasn't yet mastered idiomatic English
(prepositions are notoriously difficult in this regard); otherwise, he
would say, "posters in alt.flame," "responders to postings in
alt.flame," or simply "responders to alt.flame," which would at least be
idiomatic, though imprecise.
"Constrictive intelligence" is the final blunder. Presumably he has
failed to distinguish "constricted" from "constrictive."
If the writer is a native speaker of English, he should stay away
from controversies conducted in writing unless he is willing to do the
considerable work needed for him to acquire competence in written English.
If he's not a native speaker, he could, I suppose, announce the fact and
hope for the best.
Unless, of course, he is simply trolling for abuse, in which case
he's probably come to the right place.
Friendless
>Friendless writes:
>Do you know what the "off" knob is
>intended to be used for? If you don't turn it off, then don't claim that you
>are "unwilling".
When I want to watch American TV shows, I will have to buy a TV. Is that
"off" enough for you? But seriously, this is just the old "well you can hit
'n'", which always was lame.
>> What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually blatantly
>>American
>Well, blow us over with a writer's culture. Considering that most American
>sitcoms are writen by Americans, filmed by American crews, directed by American
>directors, and acted by ( largely ) American actors, why should this be such
>a suprise?
I'm glad you picked me up on that point John. Hell, I was wondering what was
going on with all those bloody shows. Now it becomes crystal clear. But when
every second show on TV is saturated with American culture, and not even a
true representation of it at that, it gets a bit much.
Friendless
"our next contestant tonight is Mr John Thompson, special subject; the
bleedin' obvious."
Friendless
>In article <37...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au>, farrell@batserver (Friendless) writes:
> Dear Friendless (or should it be Clueless?). This stuff is
>not "Art", nor is it intended to be "Art". Intelligent people
>almost never watch it, which is why we export it to Australia.
>The reason why "those sorts of things" never happen in Australia
>is that they never happen anywhere.
Come on Gene, before you stick your nose in where it's not wanted, get a
fucking clue. I was referring to Art Coble's articles, not insinuating that
sitcoms are art. But of course, you knew that. Either follow the thread or
keep your mouth shut.
Friendless
Friendless
>(a) You are a patronising prick not fit to judge those you deem to judge.
>You say this about "Bruce and Raelene," but you never consider what
>"Bruce and Raelene" are saying about you.
>(b) You are a moron, if you think Noriega was overthrown on account
>of an outstanding arrest warrant for drug smuggling. International
>politics is more subtle than your pulsing neuron can fathom (and it
>isn't all that subtle).
Well Mr Fucking Wisdom, share your secrets with the whole class. What are
Bruce and Raelene saying? And why was Noriega arrested? If you can't answer
these simple questions, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ignore you. You are
posing these pissy little questions to sound profound but they are in fact an
attempt to cover up the fact that you really have nothing to say. Well, if you
can demonstrate that you are in fact wise, I shall pay further attention to
you. But I doubt your feeble brain can manage it.
Friendless
Gene W. Smith
>I was referring to Art Coble's articles, not insinuating that
>sitcoms are art.
Far be it from me to assert that a blastocyst at your apparent
stage of ontogenesis is likely to be insinuating anything.
Insinuation implies a certain artful sinuosity of innuendo in any
case, which is simply beyond the scope of anyone who spends as
much time in a beer stupor watching "Bosom Buddies" as you appear
to. If "Bosom Buddies" is becoming a bore and you want a more
refined and intellectual amusement, I suggest masturbation.
--
ucbvax!garnet!gsmith Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
Logicians are apt to call this an *argumentum ad hominem*. Quite so: ..
I am addressing *humans*. I am addressing neither dogs nor logicians.
Friendless
>In article <37...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au> far...@batserver.cs.uq.oz.au (Friendless) writes:
>So? How can you (or anyone, for that matter) judge an entire culture
>by seeing only a part of the evidence? Judging from the infantile
>postings you guys call flames I'd have to say that all Aussies are
>really juvenile delinquents masquerading as adults who like to talk
>about their dicks. But I won't do that until I know more.
In fact Jon, given the information content of this article, I suggest you
learn a lot more. No, bugger it, I'm pretty pissed off anyway, so why don't
you just fuck off and die? That'd be nice.
>Whose fault is it that Aussie Kids don't know their own past? Go
>ahead, blame us for your own failures. Geez.
Just to be patronising, I'll reply to this tiny bit of your article. The
rest of it was boring crap, by the way. You and Trashy are two peas in a pod,
the way you refuse to make statements which contain information and an
therefore be refuted. Aussie kids know their own past. That's what memory is
for. :-) They also know their country's political past; they get taught that
at school. They don't know the country's recent social past - that's mostly
learned from TV shows or their parents. For example, if a kid in Milwaukee
asks his parents what they did when they were teenagers, they can show him
Happy Days. So it's not 100% accurate, but it's a start. OK Jono, now that
I've spelt it out for you, see if you can come up with a coherent response.
Friendless
Trashy
]j...@cci632.UUCP (John Thompson) writes:
]>Friendless writes:
]>Do you know what the "off" knob is
]>intended to be used for? If you don't turn it off, then don't claim that you
]>are "unwilling".
]
] When I want to watch American TV shows, I will have to buy a TV. Is that
]"off" enough for you? But seriously, this is just the old "well you can hit
]'n'", which always was lame.
It's your finger that's lame, or at least locked in a partially curled
position from yank-dork. I've found hitting 'n' a very effective remedy.
The marsupial mice in alt.flame are too amusing for me to resort
to the 'n' key, however, much less the 'k', 'c', or 'u' key.
]>> What is bad about American sitcoms? Well, they are usually blatantly
]>>American
]
]>Well, blow us over with a writer's culture. Considering that most American
]>sitcoms are writen by Americans, filmed by American crews, directed by American
]>directors, and acted by ( largely ) American actors, why should this be such
]>a suprise?
]
] I'm glad you picked me up on that point John. Hell, I was wondering what was
]going on with all those bloody shows. Now it becomes crystal clear. But when
]every second show on TV is saturated with American culture, and not even a
]true representation of it at that, it gets a bit much.
So what you are saying is that Australians don't have the resources
to make their own TV shows. More's the pity. That's what you
get for living in the boonies.
Trashy
]>(a) You are a patronising prick not fit to judge those you deem to judge.
]>You say this about "Bruce and Raelene," but you never consider what
]>"Bruce and Raelene" are saying about you.
]
]>(b) You are a moron, if you think Noriega was overthrown on account
]>of an outstanding arrest warrant for drug smuggling. International
]>politics is more subtle than your pulsing neuron can fathom (and it
]>isn't all that subtle).
]
] Well Mr Fucking Wisdom, share your secrets with the whole class. What are
]Bruce and Raelene saying?
Bruce and Raelene are saying you are a patronising, college-educated
prick and want to know what right you have to consider them dirt.
]And why was Noriega arrested?
Noriega was arrested because he was making George Bush look like
a wimp. After the "arrest," George Bush was no longer haunted by
the "wimp" accusations he had only partially put aside by his
demolition of Michael Dukakis. Furthermore, he had done it in
a way that was traditionally helpful in domestic politics, whereas
his campaign against Dukakis had created "bad vibes." Internationally,
Bush had at least shown Margaret Thatcher he was one of her own.
There were, besides these silly reasons, good reasons to invade
Panama. The arrest of Noriega, however, was not a necessary part
of the invasion. If Noriega had been allowed to escalate his
petty terrorism in the Canal Zone, it would have encouraged
similar terror all over the world. It was just to dismantle
his government, because by its _threats and actions_ against
foreign citizens and property for _petty_ reasons it had made
itself illegitimate as a government. A government, to be legitimate,
must at least try to be civilised. But for it to be just
that a government be dismantled is not enough to apply military
force, where people will be maimed and killed. The kind of petty
terror that Noriega was escalating is a threat not so much against
our lives as against our wills; we have let it go too far. We continue
to let it go too far.
Terrorists must not be allowed to have our attention any more.
And they must never be allowed to make gains.
How ironic that George Bush (as he surely must be doing)
is "making deals" with terrorists even as we write. I cannot
find a more likely explanation for the recent releases of hostages.
]If you can't answer
]these simple questions, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ignore you. You are
]posing these pissy little questions to sound profound but they are in fact an
]attempt to cover up the fact that you really have nothing to say. Well, if you
]can demonstrate that you are in fact wise, I shall pay further attention to
]you. But I doubt your feeble brain can manage it.
If there were no U.S. and the Panama Canal Zone were the responsibility
of Australia, would Australia have allowed Noriega to terrorise it
into submission?
Bill Wisner
> Now the trouble is, with all American things, there is no interest in
>quality. The only concern is what will sell.
Hmm. So, all American things are made only to sell. All of 'em. Every
one. And all Americans are guilty of shoving their own culture down
the collective throat of all foreigners, whether those foreigners like
it or not.
Right.
Bill Wisner <wis...@hayes.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775
"Put a cork in it, Wisner." -- Karl Kleinpaste <ka...@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Friendless
> Don't cut Playboy short. It is probably one of the most influential period-
> icals in the 20th century. Playboy helped spur on the sexual revolution;
> read "Thy Neighbor's Wife" by Gay Talese for a interesting history of
> Playboy and it's profound effect on modern culture.
Sexual revolution? I thought America was having a sexual devolution. Please
give more details Bill, with photos if possible. :-)
Friendless
Friendless
>Sorry about the rascism shit. I think it went out of control. It seems
>that people actually took it seriously. I was just trying to find a subject
>that would get people "flaming" mad.
Never apologise! Attack! But seriously Bill, you could have been watching
about every second article I write to find out that there are some paranoid
nutsos who see reacism around every corner out there. They're not "mad",
they're fucking certifiable.
Friendless, "no retreat, baby, no surrender"
greg Nowak
Let's not forget another one of Friendless' howling contradictions. In
the above-referenced article, he both
1) Complained that American TV was EVIL because it was targeted at
American audiences and thus had a harmful effect on Bruce and Raelene
and
2) Complained that Australia was at a competitive disadvantage, unable
to sell its programs to the USA because they were targeted for
Australian audiences.
rutgers!phoenix.princeton.edu!greg Gregory A Nowak/Phoenix Gang/Princeton NJ
"It is the right of every person to change their mind or be inconsistent."
--Matt Crawford
Jonathan D.
> tru...@revenge.rutgers.edu (Jonathan D.) writes:
> In fact Jon, given the information content of this article, I suggest you
> learn a lot more. No, bugger it, I'm pretty pissed off anyway, so why don't
> you just fuck off and die? That'd be nice.
Oh, you wound me you big brute. What's next, "Eat shit and die"????
Wait, you've already used the "and die" so try something new. You
have yet to convince anyone here that you maintain a continuously
coherent train of thought without reversing your statements.
> >Whose fault is it that Aussie Kids don't know their own past? Go
> >ahead, blame us for your own failures. Geez.
> the way you refuse to make statements which contain information and an
> therefore be refuted. Aussie kids know their own past. That's what memory is
> for. :-) They also know their country's political past; they get taught that
> at school. They don't know the country's recent social past - that's mostly
> learned from TV shows or their parents.
You pinhead. Here's a prime example. First you say that your poor
little waifs don't know squat about their past because all they ever
see is "Happy Days" and therefore they don't know about their past,
but they do know about ours. THEN, you now say they do. Get a fuckin
clue, d00d. If you're going to flame, the word you need to learn is
consistency. By the way, what is the point of teaching your history
if they syllabus does not explore your culture? A waste of time.
That's not our fault. If you don't like it, petition your local telly
station and have them run disclaimers at the beginning of the show.
I'm sorry, but I can't help it if Bruce Q. Australian has no culture
of his own. That's not my responsibility. It's yours. Stop blaming
us for your failures.
> For example, if a kid in Milwaukee
> asks his parents what they did when they were teenagers, they can show him
> Happy Days. So it's not 100% accurate, but it's a start.
Yeah, and if I wanted to show my children what typical Australians are
like, I can show them the Paul Hogan show and point to that character
he does (you know, the barbie guy with the beer gut and white stuff on
his nose) and tell them it's what life is like in Australia. So it's
not 100% accurate, but it's a start.
And another thing...about this line
> You and Trashy are two peas in a pod,
Trashy is a grad student in one department. I'm an employee for
another. Never met the man. Two peas, right.
Mark Smith
> Oh, go ahead and sprinkle a few hells and fucks into your arti-
> cles, dear. What difference can it possibly make? It's not as
> though you 're capable of "intelligent sentence content" anyway.
What a coincidence. I feel exactly the same way about your interminably
tedious repetition of the word "dear" at the end of every second sentence.
You really are defeating the whole point of expiry dates if you post
the same smug, sanctimonious article every three weeks, dear.
Trashy
>for. :-) They also know their country's political past; they get taught that
>at school. They don't know the country's recent social past - that's mostly
>learned from TV shows or their parents. For example, if a kid in Milwaukee
>asks his parents what they did when they were teenagers, they can show him
>Happy Days. So it's not 100% accurate, but it's a start. OK Jono, now that
>I've spelt it out for you, see if you can come up with a coherent response.
OK, let's see what you are saying.
(a) Australian kids can remember things. I'll grant that point.
(b) Australian kids learn about past politics by remembering what
their teachers told them. Point (a) supports this point. This
sort of memorisation is of some value, too, but not especially.
(c) Australian education on social issues is almost nonexistent.
My conclusion: you'd better revamp your educational and informational systems.
But I suppose the United States prevent you from doing this.
That's what you imply.
Are you a lazy finger-pointer, Farrell, or will you turn yourself
to the matter of _solutions_?
William Steinmetz
>In article <1990May31.1...@bach.amd.com>, bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
>>
>> All I can say is that Hitler should have completed the job!
>
>
>> Where else can you find living specimans of sub-humans?
>
Yeah, I know. Talking about getting hammered....
>
>> Why is this government based on capitalism.
>
>Was that a question?
It was a rhetorical remark.
>
>I'll assume it was, as you seem to be of very limited intelligence
>and probably don't know what that '?' key is for.
>
>Anyway, I'll take it slow. Where were we? (<indicates a question)
>
>Ah fuck it. If you don't know the difference between an economic
>system and a system of government, I'm not going to waste my time.
Yup, you're right. I was wrong.
>
>You should consider going back to school. That is, if you can
>get accepted. Too bad all those nasty sub-humans are taking up
>so many of the available slots.
I'm continueing my education in grad school. How about you?
>
>
>> sad you are, you use the Exxon-mess as an example. Tell me why the US
>> government/people should pay for the Exxon mishap. I think most people would
>> agree that Exxon should bear the entire bill.
>
>Yeah let Exxon clean it up. They'll do a SUPER fucking job
>and they won't raise their prices ONE CENT to cover the cost.
>
>You stupid fuck.
No need for such immature language.
I change my stance: The US government should oversee the cleanup, but Exxon
should still foot the bill.
>
>
>> How can you be so narrow-minded?
>
>Maybe by taking lessons from you?
>
Thank you.
Bill
William Steinmetz
>In article <1990May29.2...@bach.amd.com> bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
>>Proud Americans? If you can find pride among the general populace, please
>>point it out.
>
>Gee, we just can't win here -- either those silly Australian twits
>are pissing and moaning because they think we are too arrogant or
>else Bill here is whining because he doesn't think we are arrogant
>enough.
I want to see some examples of pride among Americans.
The event that changed my opinion of Americans was when I noted that someone
defecated in a store dressing room. You call that fucking pride?
>
>
>Oh, go ahead and sprinkle a few hells and fucks into your arti-
>cles, dear. What difference can it possibly make? It's not as
>though you 're capable of "intelligent sentence content" anyway.
Hey bastard, what the fuck do you know?
Bill
Jay Hinkelman
>I want to see some examples of pride among Americans.
>The event that changed my opinion of Americans was when I noted that someone
>defecated in a store dressing room. You call that fucking pride?
Your typical American does. After all, it's not every country in the
world where a person has the right to defecate in a store dressing
room!
The problem, William, is that the notion of pride for a thinking Homo
sapiens is not the same notion of pride held by a typical American.
>Hey bastard, what the fuck do you know?
Of course, I could say the same thing about "effective speaking and
writing techniques."
>Bill
--
Jay Hinkelman, a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, ja...@purccvm.bitnet
Insanity is what happens when your pillow gets tired of being fluffed.
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Friendless
>Bruce and Raelene are saying you are a patronising, college-educated
>prick and want to know what right you have to consider them dirt.
No right, but who cares? I never claimed to be anything *but* a patronising
college-educated prick, and I happen to think I'm pretty good.
>]And why was Noriega arrested?
>Noriega was arrested because he was making George Bush look like
>a wimp.
Good reason. I look like a wimp, so I should tell my soldiers to go kill
someone. George Bush should never have been president anyway, save for the lack
of a sensible alternative.
>If Noriega had been allowed to escalate his
>petty terrorism in the Canal Zone, it would have encouraged
>similar terror all over the world.
I find this hard to believe. There's being a prick in your own country, and
there's international terrorism.
>Terrorists must not be allowed to have our attention any more.
>And they must never be allowed to make gains.
Indeed. Go get 'em Trashy.
Well Trashy, it's good to see you actually have some opinions to back up
your questions. Hows about posting them the first time instead of keeping us
in suspense from now on?
Friendless
Friendless
>2) Complained that Australia was at a competitive disadvantage, unable
>to sell its programs to the USA because they were targeted for
>Australian audiences.
I did not say that. I haven't mentioned Australian programs at all. Besides,
I don't believe it's true. Get your facts right.
Friendless
Friendless
>Are you a lazy finger-pointer, Farrell, or will you turn yourself
>to the matter of _solutions_?
I'm a computer scientist, Trashy. I'm solving strictness analysis. I leave
the education to someone else. In Australia, we elect a government to do that.
Our government isn't just elected so we have someone to blame when the CIA
fucks up.
Friendless
Trashy
]>Bruce and Raelene are saying you are a patronising, college-educated
]>prick and want to know what right you have to consider them dirt.
]
] No right, but who cares? I never claimed to be anything *but* a patronising
]college-educated prick, and I happen to think I'm pretty good.
If you crave your own prickiness, then that's fine by me.
But at least you must grant that I have you pinned down pretty
well.
Certainly you are squirming. After all, you threatened never to respond
to me, and here you are responding.
]>]And why was Noriega arrested?
]>Noriega was arrested because he was making George Bush look like
]>a wimp.
]
] Good reason. I look like a wimp, so I should tell my soldiers to go kill
]someone. George Bush should never have been president anyway, save for the lack
]of a sensible alternative.
Of course there was a sensible alternative. Voters could have
written in a more reasonable candidate: ALF, for instance, or
Don Knotts.
]>If Noriega had been allowed to escalate his
]>petty terrorism in the Canal Zone, it would have encouraged
]>similar terror all over the world.
]
] I find this hard to believe. There's being a prick in your own country, and
]there's international terrorism.
Terrorism against an international canal is international terrorism.
] Well Trashy, it's good to see you actually have some opinions to back up
]your questions. Hows about posting them the first time instead of keeping us
]in suspense from now on?
Because I like to see you push your head up your alimentary canal.
Inspector Gadget
>In article <38...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au> far...@batserver.cs.uq.oz.au (Friendless) writes:
[...]
>> You and Trashy are two peas in a pod,
>Trashy is a grad student in one department. I'm an employee for
>another. Never met the man. Two peas, right.
Might be better expressed as two turds in a toilet bowl. Both
sound the same, both smell the same....
IG
--
Ready, fire, AIM!
Stephen King
>In article <32...@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> ki...@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca, I wrote:
>>>that's the part where you have a choice.
>>Yeah, right, a choice between McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, or Denny's.
>>Hobson's choice, I'd call it [....]
>Why? Can't you cook? Not willing to learn? Do I detect a note of
I'm an excellent cook. I NEVER eat at McD's, or any of the others mentioned
above. I like real food, not the predigested plasticlike crapola that these
people produce. (OK, so I tried it once, just to find out how really bad it
is)
>apathy here? (Gee, I feel REAL strongly about all this American
>pop-culture, but I'm not willing to actually do any work to avoid
>partaking in it...)
So, you would then admit that McD's is part of American 'pop-culture'? How
disgusting.
>>The real choice is whether to eat at one of theses American centers of 'haut
>>cuisine', or starve to death.
>Hey, what if you were to start your OWN RESTAURANT! There's a
>thought... people do it in this country!
The restaurant business is one of the most shakey. Check it out; more
restaurants go belly up in the first year of operation than survive. One of
the main reasons (I believe) is the marketing clout of McD's and the like.
The quality of 'food' served has little or nothing to do with it.
>So you're saying that the stupid people will all become intelligent if
>we take away all their bad choices? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
I didn't say that. As you so perfectly illustrate, stupid people will
remain so no matter what. They are easy prey for McD's and all the other
large corporations that REALLY rule the country.
My point is that we do not have a free market. Startups face tremendous
pressure from the public due to marketing hype by the big corporations.
Nowadays, it's not the quality of the product that sells, but how much
bandwidth one consumes in order to promote that product.
Theodore A. Kaldis
> In article <38...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au> some 'roo-f*cker writes:
[Or maybe it's so small he has to resort to Koalas.]
>> When I want to watch American TV shows, I will have to buy a TV. Is
>> that "off" enough for you? But seriously, this is just the old "well
>> you can hit 'n'", which always was lame.
> It's your finger that's lame, or at least locked in a partially curled
> position from yank-dork. I've found hitting 'n' a very effective remedy.
> The marsupial mice in alt.flame are too amusing for me to resort
> to the 'n' key, however, much less the 'k', 'c', or 'u' key.
Apparently it doesn't take too much to amuse you. (No wonder you
write in defense of American sit-coms.)
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Asmodeus
the Worm) gurgles:
>I'm continueing my education in grad school. How about you?
Well, gee whiz, Willy. Goddamn, now, we are
impressed. Really. And in what field do you
happen to be "continueing" your lack of education?
>No need for such immature language.
Asshole.
--
"Why do you suggest that I weave baskets? What will that accomplish?"
-- Peter M. Ullman
Jay Hinkelman
>government to do that.
Oh my! No WONDER there's so little progress on social topics like
racism in Australia! THEY ELECT THEIR GOVERNMENT TO EDUCATE THEM!
Not much more to say about that. I'm sure Friendless will think of
something worthless, though.
>Friendless
Jay Hinkelman
>So, you would then admit that McD's is part of American 'pop-culture'? How
>disgusting.
I never denied it. I don't feel real good about the existence of
fast-food chains either, Stephen. Why do you keep trying to make it
my fault that McDonald's and Burger King exist? You CERTAINLY can't
blame me for the fact that they are successful in your country
(wherever dciem.dciem.dnd.ca is...)
>>>The real choice is whether to eat at one of theses American centers
>>>of 'haut cuisine', or starve to death.
But you admitted that you cook! So you have another choice, right?
Am I missing something here? Or are you really just complaining about
the apathy of your own countrymen?
>I didn't say that. As you so perfectly illustrate, stupid people will
>remain so no matter what. They are easy prey for McD's and all the other
>large corporations that REALLY rule the country.
I'll ignore the insult and get to what you actually said.
Corporations rule the country, but people rule the corporations. Why?
Because the corporations are controlled by money. If no bucks come
in, things start to shut down.
In their entire American history, McDonald's has only had to close
down one site -- the site in California where the madmen shot randomly
at children with a submachine gun. Why have they shut no other sites
down? Because people pay for the burgers.
Burger King has not had it so lucky. They have closed down a lot of
sites in the past few years; they closed one just a mile from my house
in the past year. Why? It didn't make enough money.
>My point is that we do not have a free market. Startups face tremendous
>pressure from the public due to marketing hype by the big corporations.
>Nowadays, it's not the quality of the product that sells, but how much
>bandwidth one consumes in order to promote that product.
I agree, that's what sells. BUT in a true capitalist system, even a
monopoly can fall, without other competition, if the consumers simply
stop buying the product.
If enough people want McDonald's in Australia, it will stay there.
But blaming the Americans for the success of a corporation in
Australia is like the pot calling the kettle rusty (Jay deftly avoids
a pathetic and predictable flame attempt by Friendless).
William Steinmetz
>>I want to see some examples of pride among Americans.
>>The event that changed my opinion of Americans was when I noted that someone
>>defecated in a store dressing room. You call that fucking pride?
>
>Your typical American does. After all, it's not every country in the
>world where a person has the right to defecate in a store dressing
>room!
Are you supporting the right of one to defacate anywhere he pleases?
>
>The problem, William, is that the notion of pride for a thinking Homo
>sapiens is not the same notion of pride held by a typical American.
I still don't see any examples of pride among Americans!
If an American can't take pride in those things which are close him,
how can he have any pride at all?
>
>
Bill
William Steinmetz
>In article:<1990May31.1...@bach.amd.com> bi...@papsi.amd.com
>(William Steinmetz) blathers:
>>In article <19...@east.East.Sun.COM> msmi...@Sun.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>>>In article <1990May30....@bach.amd.com>, bi...@pepsi.amd.com
>>>(William Steinmetz) writes:
>>Also, look at statistics. I just read a report on the injustice of college
>>admission quotas. The gist of the article is that if no minority quotas
>>were instituted and only academic prowess was required, 96% of America's
>>universities would be filled with whites.
>
>Gee, Bill, what a swell attitude you have. Aside from the fact that I simply
>don't beleive your numbers (How about a source, pal? And not the
>Arayan Nation Monthly, either), have you thought about _why_ some minorities
>have a smaller percentage of 'academically gifted' members than others?
>Could it be that certain minorities in this country are consistently denied
>access to better educational opportunities? Naw, that can't be it.
>They're just f***** stupid. You ever read "The Mismeasure of Man" by
>Stephen Jay Gould? Naw. Didn't think so.
>
The source was legitimate. I'll post the name in a day or two.
I'm really tired of hearing about how minorities are consistently denied
access to better education opportunities. During my life, I've never seen
this to be true. Minorities have all the opportunities they could possibly
wish. I know of at least 10 cases where my minority friends were accepted
to universities and given full scholarships because they were 'minorities'.
Their GPA's were poor. They had no special abilities. They didn't have
impressive extracuricular activities. How do you explain this?
You got me with the book. I'll be honest by stating that I've never read it.
Maybe I'll look it up.
Bill
Jay Hinkelman
>In article <11...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>>Your typical American does. After all, it's not every country in the
>>world where a person has the right to defecate in a store dressing
>>room!
>Are you supporting the right of one to defacate anywhere he pleases?
Not at all. I don't deny that every American has that right, but I
don't support it either.
>>The problem, William, is that the notion of pride for a thinking Homo
>>sapiens is not the same notion of pride held by a typical American.
>I still don't see any examples of pride among Americans!
Your typical American has pride, but only in himself. He is too
self-centered to take pride in anything else BUT himself.
For instance, the closest your typical American will ever come to
taking pride in his work is fighting for a raise.
BUT he has plenty of pride in himself and his rights.
>If an American can't take pride in those things which are close him,
>how can he have any pride at all?
My whole point is that what you have just said is contrary to the
modern notion of pride in America. In the USA, an upright citizen can
have lots of pride, even if he hates his neighbor and defecates in his
neighbor's dressing room. ("Hey, I don't have to clean it up!")
This, of course, is the sort of pride that ranks among the seven
deadly sins. But that's America for you.
greg Nowak
>Are you supporting the right of one to defacate anywhere he pleases?
Which you exercise in alt.flame?
>>The problem, William, is that the notion of pride for a thinking Homo
>>sapiens is not the same notion of pride held by a typical American.
>I still don't see any examples of pride among Americans!
I take pride in the fact that I live in a country where one can burn
the national flag as a means of political protest, as one can in
Canada and Great Britain, and not in countries like China and Cuba,
where one can't.
rutgers!phoenix.princeton.edu!greg Gregory A Nowak/Phoenix Gang/Princeton NJ
"I do not think your observation was so trifling; in fact it was
quite ingenious. To make this clear I shall show that it is false."
-- Imre Lakatos, Proofs and Refutations
Mark Miller
(William Steinmetz) writes:
|>The source was legitimate. I'll post the name in a day or two.
|>I'm really tired of hearing about how minorities are consistently denied
|>access to better education opportunities. During my life, I've never seen
|>this to be true. Minorities have all the opportunities they could possibly
|>wish. I know of at least 10 cases where my minority friends were accepted
|>to universities and given full scholarships because they were 'minorities'.
|>Their GPA's were poor. They had no special abilities. They didn't have
|>impressive extracuricular activities. How do you explain this?
Granted, there is a problem now with reverse-discimination. But how else
are you going to get people without the needed economic base the opportunity
they need? It's a long-term thing. The generation of kids that got into
school because of some of the equal opportunity laws will make the need
for these laws go away. They will graduate and move up from lower to middle
class or above. Until they are able to get into college in the first place,
they won't be able to progress. I'm afraid it's the price we now have to
pay for all those years of open discrimination. It's a case where two
wrongs will make a right.
I'm really surprised you admit having "minority friends" - that won't
go over well with the Grand Wizard.
|>You got me with the book. I'll be honest by stating that I've never read it.
|>Maybe I'll look it up.
Naw. Go back to Mein Kampf.
-MSM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark S. Miller "Different "In a nation ruled by swine,
UUCP: msmi...@Sun.COM things all pigs are upward mobile."
GEnie/AOL: MSMILLER vary" - Hunter S. Thompson
John Berryhill
>shove its views and its culture down the unwilling throats of innocent
>foreigners? Oh that would be awful! All those poor people would be so... so...
Unlike Australia which shoves its culture down the throats
of its innocent natives.
--
John Berryhill
143 King William, Newark DE 19711
Trashy
In the U.S. we have a saying: If you want something you have to
go out and get it. That means you don't pass the buck to some
"elected government" that fucks up the job. The education of
Australia is the responsibility of all Australians, and to the extent
that you avoid that responsibility Australia is ignorant.
You don't blame either yourself or your government for Australia's
failings, because you prefer to blame the United States. The fault,
Farrell, is not in the stars and stripes, but in yourself.
Trashy
(Inspector Gadget) writes:
>In article <Jun.4.11.54....@revenge.rutgers.edu>
tru...@revenge.rutgers.edu (Jonathan D.) writes:
>>In article <38...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au>
far...@batserver.cs.uq.oz.au (Friendless) writes:
>
> [...]
>>> You and Trashy are two peas in a pod,
>
>>Trashy is a grad student in one department.
Not any more. Now I am a graduate**2.
Unfortunately, this means that very soon I will no longer be
bsch...@elbereth.rutgers.edu and so will not be able to post
from this account.
Farrell thinks he is lucky. But he is out of luck, because I still will
be tras...@alzabo.uucp for a long time to come. And there is some
talk of putting together a super-3B2 is my former laboratory and using
it for News.
>>I'm an employee for
>>another. Never met the man. Two peas, right.
>
>Might be better expressed as two turds in a toilet bowl. Both
>sound the same, both smell the same....
I'm rubber, you're glue; everything you say bounces off me and sticks
to you.
Last one is a rotten egg!
Trashy
]In article <Jun.4.01.38....@elbereth.rutgers.edu> bsch...@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Trashy) writes:
]
]> In article <38...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au> some 'roo-f*cker writes:
]
][Or maybe it's so small he has to resort to Koalas.]
]
]>> When I want to watch American TV shows, I will have to buy a TV. Is
]>> that "off" enough for you? But seriously, this is just the old "well
]>> you can hit 'n'", which always was lame.
]
]> It's your finger that's lame, or at least locked in a partially curled
]> position from yank-dork. I've found hitting 'n' a very effective remedy.
]> The marsupial mice in alt.flame are too amusing for me to resort
]> to the 'n' key, however, much less the 'k', 'c', or 'u' key.
]
]Apparently it doesn't take too much to amuse you. (No wonder you
]write in defense of American sit-coms.)
Ted, you can't fool us into thinking you are a television-bashing
liberal intellectual. No way.
Trashy
]>In article <1990Jun5.0...@bach.amd.com> bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
]>>I want to see some examples of pride among Americans.
]>>The event that changed my opinion of Americans was when I noted that someone
]>>defecated in a store dressing room. You call that fucking pride?
]>
]>Your typical American does. After all, it's not every country in the
]>world where a person has the right to defecate in a store dressing
]>room!
]
]Are you supporting the right of one to defacate anywhere he pleases?
You defecate on our CRT screens, don't you? We don't stop you
from doing that.
]>The problem, William, is that the notion of pride for a thinking Homo
]>sapiens is not the same notion of pride held by a typical American.
]
]I still don't see any examples of pride among Americans!
I am proud enough to disown you, Billy Boy. The Stars and Stripes
forever, but forget about William Steinmetz!
]If an American can't take pride in those things which are close him,
]how can he have any pride at all?
I am very proud of the first amendment, and I'm even proud of the
second amendment, despite my claim to liberalness. I am especially
proud of the ninth amendment, and extra-extra fond of the twenty-first
amendment. What I'm not proud of is Usans with false pride, the sort
Jesus preached against once while standing on a bump.
Dave Mustaine and the World's Foremost State of the Art Speed Metal Band
>In article <1990May30.0...@athena.mit.edu>, jin...@athena.mit.edu (Scot A Griffin) writes:
>> that the real power of the country is in the hands of a small number
>> of wealthy individuals. This effectively ensures that the US has
>> more natural resources to rape, just in case she runs out of her own.
Just a note: I believe it was the U.S. who supported the brutal
Somoza regime before the rise of communism, in order to prevent communism from
making more gains in Central America. Not only are we stealing natural
resources, we are deliberately pushing some of these countries backwards
to prevent any form of government except our own from existing.
Free will, indeed.
-John Paul Jones
Davyd Norris
(Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>
> Of course, I can just here Witless here crying, "Look at this
> hamburger, it's gross, I've bought 100 Big Macs in the past two years
> and they've all been gross, why do the Americans keep shoving these
> things at us?"
>
> Because you buy them. If America worships the almighty dollar -- and
> it does, as a whole -- then stop giving us money and we'll go away.
Not neccessarily, Jay. Let me tell you a little story that really happened
to me over here in Oz:
Once upon a time there was a boy who liked hamburgers. He used to buy them
sometimes, and always bought them from a place that made great burgers. They
were really good, not like the new company from USA called McDonalds. One day,
the boy went up to the hamburger place and found that it had been sold. He was
very sad because the next day he found out who bought the store... McDonalds.
You see McDonalds answer to the 'food ratings' problem over here is to buy out
anyone who is better than them, so we really don't have a choice, at least, not
for long.
So if you stop giving *us* money, and we stop accepting money, you might go
away, but as long as us dum Ozzies keep buying plastic food from Col. Sanders
and Ronald, why would you want to leave?!
Daf.
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Art Coble
>In article <38...@moondance.cs.uq.oz.au>, farrell@batserver (Friendless) writes:
>>I was referring to Art Coble's articles, not insinuating that
>>sitcoms are art.
> [Gene spews alot of noise trying to hide the fact that he fucked up]
>to. If "Bosom Buddies" is becoming a bore and you want a more
>refined and intellectual amusement, I suggest masturbation.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am not suprised, considering that you seem to be living proof
that excessive masturbation causes brain damage. Where were you when
the Victorians needed you? Don't fret. I am sure some fundamentalist
robots could use you as a display in a museum or something.
Now lube yourself up and get back to work. Fool!
>ucbvax!garnet!gsmith Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
>Logicians are apt to call this an *argumentum ad hominem*. Quite so: ..
>I am addressing *humans*. I am addressing neither dogs nor logicians.
-Art Coble
**** These Opinions DO NOT represent my Employer! ****
Theodore A. Kaldis
> Ted, you can't fool us into thinking you are a television-bashing
> liberal intellectual. No way.
No, I am a television-bashing conservative ... well, I am somewhat
uncomfortable with the term "intellectual" -- though I'll go head to
head with the best of the eggheads -- it just strikes me as too
pretentious -- ... observer, let's say. (I thoroughly dislike putting
on airs.)
Patricia O Tuama
>I want to see some examples of pride among Americans.
>The event that changed my opinion of Americans was when I noted that someone
>defecated in a store dressing room. You call that fucking pride?
No, I call that a symptom of physical or mental illness -- leave
it to William "I am not a Nazi" Steinmetz to judge all 227 million
Americans by the actions of one poor sick individual.
Btw, did you know that Japan passed a law last year making it a mis-
demeanor to refuse or fail to flush public toliets? They had such
a problem with people walking away without flushing first that they
finally resorted to legislation to deal with the problem. So how
do the Japanese rate on the Steinmetz Scale of National Pride as a
Function of Public Incontinence?
>Hey bastard, what the fuck do you know?
Ah, much better. Good boy.
Patricia O Tuama
Well, you should, it's against the law.
>Your typical American has pride, but only in himself. He is too
>self-centered to take pride in anything else BUT himself.
Oh come on, Jay, most Americans are proud of their countrymen
and women's accomplishments as well as more mundane things like
local baseball teams and Grandma's lemon merengue pie.
Kevin Schnitzius
> Trashy writes:
>>You defecate on our CRT screens, don't you? We don't stop you
>>from doing that.
> I don't consider voicing an opinion to be representative of defecation.
Nope, only if your opinion comes out your ass.
>>I am proud enough to disown you, Billy Boy. The Stars and Stripes
>>forever, but forget about William Steinmetz!
> Wow, this statement really hit me hard. Damn, you are such a powerful
> speaker.
Nice try. It would have been more effective if you had written:
*Neener* *Neener*
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Uucp: uunet!gould!kschnitzius >>>>This is crap.
Internet: kschn...@encore.com >>>This is a lie.
Encore Computer Corporation >>This is boring.
>This is USENET...
Trashy
da...@physics.monash.edu.au (Davyd Norris) writes:
]In article <11...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
] (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
]>
]> Of course, I can just here Witless here crying, "Look at this
]> hamburger, it's gross, I've bought 100 Big Macs in the past two years
]> and they've all been gross, why do the Americans keep shoving these
]> things at us?"
]>
]> Because you buy them. If America worships the almighty dollar -- and
]> it does, as a whole -- then stop giving us money and we'll go away.
]
]Not neccessarily, Jay. Let me tell you a little story that really happened
]to me over here in Oz:
]
]Once upon a time there was a boy who liked hamburgers. He used to buy them
]sometimes, and always bought them from a place that made great burgers. They
]were really good, not like the new company from USA called McDonalds. One day,
]the boy went up to the hamburger place and found that it had been sold. He was
]very sad because the next day he found out who bought the store... McDonalds.
]
]You see McDonalds answer to the 'food ratings' problem over here is to buy out
]anyone who is better than them, so we really don't have a choice, at least, not
]for long.
You whining twit, this has nothing at all to do with the United States of
America. McDonald's does the same thing everywhere it goes.
McDonald's is a free agent, not a U.S. institution. If they
could do it in Australia then any Australian could have done the same thing.
_Australia_ sold out to McDonald's; we didn't shove diddly down your throat.
]So if you stop giving *us* money, and we stop accepting money, you might go
]away, but as long as us dum Ozzies keep buying plastic food from Col. Sanders
]and Ronald, why would you want to leave?!
_McDonald's_ has no reason to leave, whatsoever. What does that have
to do with Joe Q. Brooklyner, who also buys quasi-hamburgers at McDonald's?
Trashy
>In article <11...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>>>I leave the education to someone else. In Australia, we elect a
>>>government to do that.
>>Oh my! No WONDER there's so little progress on social topics like
>>racism in Australia! THEY ELECT THEIR GOVERNMENT TO EDUCATE THEM!
>Tsk. Tsk. J. You blast Australian education before you even think
>about the sad shape of American education.
Billy, Usans are trampling each other for the chance to shout out
about the sad shape of the education system. But what they aren't
doing (in alt.flame, at least) is blaming some other country for
the results of that poor education system, and they aren't passing
the buck to some entity called "The Government." _We_ made our
schools go to pot, and we admit it!
Nobody's blasting Australian education. They're blasting the
attitudes of Australian pinheads who don't take responsibility
for what goes on in Australia that they have influence over.
Trashy
]>In article <1990Jun5.1...@bach.amd.com>, bills@pepsi (William Steinmetz) writes:
]>
]>
]>>I still don't see any examples of pride among Americans!
]>
]>I take pride in the fact that I live in a country where one can burn
]>the national flag as a means of political protest, as one can in
]>Canada and Great Britain, and not in countries like China and Cuba,
]>where one can't.
]If you want to burn the American flag, why don't you move to a different
]country and do it there! Also, what a mature way of displaying displeasure
]with the government. Have you ever heard of writing to your local
]representatives?
Never heard of it.
Well, I tell you, I wouldn't want to burn _my_ U.S. flag, because I think
it's a nice one, but I'd sure as hell like to burn _your_ U.S. flag,
because it stands for nothing and is an eyesore.
]I bet you are a liberal. Right?
*************
I'm sure as hell a ***LIBERAL***.
*************
What are you, a reactionary redneck?
]Not burning the flag is probably the simplest way to show pride in this
]country.
Not burning the flag is the simplest way of not doing anything.
Mark Smith
> I want to see some examples of pride among Americans.
> The event that changed my opinion of Americans was when I noted that someone
> defecated in a store dressing room. You call that fucking pride?
No, I call that fucking excrement. Besides, at least when someone shits on
the floor in the US, it gets cleaned up. I *know* there are medieval turds
in King's Cross station.
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Today's Reason To Be Cheerful:
One year on, Rushdie's still alive and Khomeini's still dead.
Jay Hinkelman
da...@physics.monash.edu.au (Davyd Norris) writes a nice little story
about how his favorite boyhood hamburger store was bought by
McDonald's, and now there are no longer any good fast food burger
chains around.
Gee, what a shame. Guess you'll just have to try COOKING if you hate
McDonald's so much. Or are you afraid you'll burn yourself? I
wouldn't worry about it if I were you -- you do it here often enough,
it shouldn't hurt anymore.
Jay Hinkelman
>In article <11...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>>Not at all. I don't deny that every American has that right, but I
>Well, you should, it's against the law.
That doesn't mean he doesn't have the right -- just that said right is
subject to legal restriction. There are levels of rights in this country.
William Steinmetz
>In article <1990Jun5.1...@bach.amd.com> bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
>>In article <11...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>
>Your typical American has pride, but only in himself. He is too
>self-centered to take pride in anything else BUT himself.
I agree totally. Wow, common ground.
>
>
>>If an American can't take pride in those things which are close him,
>>how can he have any pride at all?
>
>My whole point is that what you have just said is contrary to the
>modern notion of pride in America. In the USA, an upright citizen can
>have lots of pride, even if he hates his neighbor and defecates in his
>neighbor's dressing room. ("Hey, I don't have to clean it up!")
The problem is that people *say* they are proud to be an American,
but they don't *act* proud.
>This, of course, is the sort of pride that ranks among the seven
>deadly sins. But that's America for you.
True.
And J, if you want to use my name, use it right! That William shit has
to go.
Bill
William Steinmetz
William Steinmetz
>
>
>>I still don't see any examples of pride among Americans!
>
>I take pride in the fact that I live in a country where one can burn
>the national flag as a means of political protest, as one can in
>Canada and Great Britain, and not in countries like China and Cuba,
>where one can't.
>
country and do it there! Also, what a mature way of displaying displeasure
with the government. Have you ever heard of writing to your local
Not burning the flag is probably the simplest way to show pride in this
country. You can't even do that.
Bill
William Steinmetz
>In article <1990Jun5.1...@bach.amd.com>, bi...@pepsi.amd.com
>(William Steinmetz) writes:
>|>The source was legitimate. I'll post the name in a day or two.
>|>I'm really tired of hearing about how minorities are consistently denied
>|>access to better education opportunities. During my life, I've never seen
>|>this to be true. Minorities have all the opportunities they could possibly
>|>wish. I know of at least 10 cases where my minority friends were accepted
>|>to universities and given full scholarships because they were 'minorities'.
>|>Their GPA's were poor. They had no special abilities. They didn't have
>|>impressive extracuricular activities. How do you explain this?
>
>Granted, there is a problem now with reverse-discimination. But how else
>are you going to get people without the needed economic base the opportunity
>they need? It's a long-term thing. The generation of kids that got into
>school because of some of the equal opportunity laws will make the need
>for these laws go away. They will graduate and move up from lower to middle
>class or above. Until they are able to get into college in the first place,
>they won't be able to progress. I'm afraid it's the price we now have to
>pay for all those years of open discrimination. It's a case where two
>wrongs will make a right.
The source was the UC Berkeley newspaper (last summer). The report also
showed that even with full-ride scholarships and reverse-discrimination,
many of the minorities droped out of school because they were unable to cope
with the pressure and could not compete academically. You mention that
giving minorities an opportunity now will help them escape their lower class
status in the long run. This contradicts the fact that they have remained
financially stagnant for the past ten years. It seems that many minorities
just cannot capitalize on their good fortune. Even with free handouts,
they fail. I would like to know if a method exists that would circumvent
this problem. Maybe a radical change in the American elementary school
system? Which does suck - compared to most other developed nations in the
world.
>
>I'm really surprised you admit having "minority friends" - that won't
>go over well with the Grand Wizard.
Yeah, the Grand Wizard is already on my ass.
>
>|>You got me with the book. I'll be honest by stating that I've never read it.
>|>Maybe I'll look it up.
>
>Naw. Go back to Mein Kampf.
Never read that one either.
Bill
Mark Miller
(William Steinmetz) writes:
|>If you want to burn the American flag, why don't you move to a different
|>country and do it there!
Methinks we have a Kaldis Klone here.
|>Also, what a mature way of displaying displeasure
|>with the government. Have you ever heard of writing to your local
|>representatives?
Heard of it ... real useful ... like a rubber crutch.
|>I bet you are a liberal. Right?
OH NO! THE L-WORD!
Bill Wisner
>And J, if you want to use my name, use it right! That William shit has
>to go.
Hmmm. Looks right to me.
Bill Wisner <wis...@hayes.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775
"Early one June morning in 1872 I murdered my father--an act which made a
deep impression on me at the time." -- Ambrose Bierce
Mark Miller
|>The source was the UC Berkeley newspaper (last summer). The report also
|>showed that even with full-ride scholarships and reverse-discrimination,
|>many of the minorities droped out of school because they were unable to cope
|>with the pressure and could not compete academically.
Wow! Like, they just dropped out? Good thing no white folks ever dropped
outa school, huh? That never ever happens, only the racially inferior
can't get through college. Do you have any clue as to what a total
bigot you sound like? Yeah ... maybe you do.
|> You mention that
|>giving minorities an opportunity now will help them escape their lower class
|>status in the long run. This contradicts the fact that they have remained
|>financially stagnant for the past ten years.
Who are "they". What minorities are you slamming anyway? Blacks? Asians?
Hispanics? Jews? Italians? What?
|>It seems that many minorities
|>just cannot capitalize on their good fortune. Even with free handouts,
|>they fail. I would like to know if a method exists that would circumvent
|>this problem.
Well shit. Lets just shoot anyone who fails ... anyone non-white at least.
How's that sound? Maybe ... maybe we could put all these useless minorities
into concen- ... uh ... reservations, yeah ... that's the ticket.
William Steinmetz
>In article <1990Jun5.1...@bach.amd.com> bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
>]In article <11...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
>]>In article <1990Jun5.0...@bach.amd.com> bi...@pepsi.amd.com (William Steinmetz) writes:
>
>You defecate on our CRT screens, don't you? We don't stop you
>from doing that.
I don't consider voicing an opinion to be representative of defecation.
>
>I am proud enough to disown you, Billy Boy. The Stars and Stripes
>forever, but forget about William Steinmetz!
Wow, this statement really hit me hard. Damn, you are such a powerful
speaker.
>
>]If an American can't take pride in those things which are close him,
>]how can he have any pride at all?
>
>I am very proud of the first amendment, and I'm even proud of the
>second amendment, despite my claim to liberalness. I am especially
>proud of the ninth amendment, and extra-extra fond of the twenty-first
>amendment. What I'm not proud of is Usans with false pride, the sort
>Jesus preached against once while standing on a bump.
>
I'm proud that you are proud. Idiot.
Bill
William Steinmetz
>>I want to see some examples of pride among Americans.
>>The event that changed my opinion of Americans was when I noted that someone
>>defecated in a store dressing room. You call that fucking pride?
>
>No, I call that a symptom of physical or mental illness -- leave
>it to William "I am not a Nazi" Steinmetz to judge all 227 million
>Americans by the actions of one poor sick individual.
It's not just one individual. A friend of mine that works at Mervyn's
told me that someone urinates in the dressing rooms almost daily.
(Both male and female.)
Also, look at all the litter people dump across this nation. That's
worse than my 'defecation' incident.
>
>Btw, did you know that Japan passed a law last year making it a mis-
>demeanor to refuse or fail to flush public toliets? They had such
>a problem with people walking away without flushing first that they
>finally resorted to legislation to deal with the problem. So how
>do the Japanese rate on the Steinmetz Scale of National Pride as a
>Function of Public Incontinence?
Can't compare not flushing the toilet with blatent acts of disrespect.
That's like comparing someone that doesn't pick up trash with someone that
litters. Sorry, your example sucks.
>
>>Hey bastard, what the fuck do you know?
>
>Ah, much better. Good boy.
Fuck you! I don't need your fucking praise.
Bill