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John F. Winston
While I was over visiting my friend Jeff P. he asked me if
if I had read the latest issue of Center of Attention. I told
him that I had never even heard of it. Jeff asked his friend
to try to find the latest issue but it couldn't be found. Last
night I noticed that a person had posted something to the Net
about it. Here is part of the information.
John Winston.
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From: B R H
Subject: "Center of Attention" #30 is here!
Notable quotes from this Powerful and Insightful issue:
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"When asked about the Zetas, photon belt, and other issues we
are familiar with, he said that the Zetas are generally under
the control of the Reptilians, but that some have made alliances
with humans in a plan to rid the planet of Reptilians."
"The comet, Shoemaker-Levy 9 were actually huge ships filled with
Reptilians bent on the conquest of Earth, but that they were
destroyed by a bomb sent from Earth which thwarted their plans.
..
"He goes on to say that the Sirians are highly evolved beings
that are seeking to help rid the Earth of negative influences,
including Zetas and Reptilians.
"After - all, if you think it is confusing now, wait until
things really start to get hot and exciting. It's show time,
but the main act is yet to come. (All those fueling the
confusion, are, in their way, assisting in the awakening --
by causing people to seek within rather that externally. They
themselves being of great service whether they consciously
realize it or not.)"
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Planetary Advocate Groups [PAGs(tm)]
JW Now let me explain that Planetary Advocate Groups is the name
given the people who volunteer to help Sheldon Nidle to do certain
things that will help the Sirian space people to make their mass
landings of their space ships and people. They hope to make the
Earth a better place.
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by Jason
I just finished reading Sheldon Nidle's new book, "Galactic
Human Handbook and Entering the New Time". The first part is
written by Sheldon and the second part is written by Jose
Arquelles. I must say I was very impressed with Sheldon's
concise and meaningful explanations of the Galactic Federation,
the spiritual hierarchy and how Planetary Advocate Groups, (PAGs)
are going to play an important part in our future. I highly
recommend this book and it is available through Center of
Attention for $-----. If you want to know how you can get
involved in raising the planetary consciousness, get connected
up with all lightworkers, and become a part of the great change
that will soon take place, you must get this book. It is must
reading!
I won't go into details, but rather give you an insight into
what about to take place. Sheldon continues to keep to his
"time window". He stresses the need to organize and form PAGs
immediately in order to be ready for mass landings sometime
between the end of Summer '96 and December. I was talking to Dr.
Rob at Operation Victory and he gave me an insight into what
his sense of things will be. He coined the phrase, "the fall of
Babylon" as a way to describe the events that will lead up to a
total change taking place in our society. He sees a point where
everything we hold as "normal" falling apart in a relatively
short time after everyone becomes aware of the truth regarding
UFOs, extraterrestrials, and the pending arrival of the Galactic
Federation. As this year progresses, our consciousness will be
raised to a level never before experience on Earth. All of us
will become more aware of the "other realms", and begin to
become our own prophets and make contact with our spirit guides,
Angels, etc. As things move forward, the relevance of politics,
mundane jobs, money, investments -- all the things that we
believe, as a society make things work, will become unimportant
compared to the spiritual enlightenment that will take place.
At some point, what we now call civilization just won't make any
sense and things will begin to unravel rapidly. It is at this
point that the PAGs will be prepared to handle the enormous
emotional and mental breakdown of many citizens. Many people
will not be able to handle it and they will need a place to go
in order to get themselves together.
From what Sheldon says, over the next several months, PAGs will
begin to organize and in that process many will be visited and
guided by spiritual and extraterrestrial beings on what to do
and how to do it. Make no mistake! We must do this ourselves,
but we will not be without guidance and profound insight.
Sheldon envisions thousands of PAGs, connected the Life/Light
Centers that will carry the foundation for spiritual as well as
scientific knowledge that will be brought to us from the
spiritual hierarchy.
The main focus of organization is to be the principles of what
he terms, "Fluid Management" and he goes into some detail of how
this works in the book. However, there is much to discover
regarding this principle and a lot left to interpretation. In
the following issues of Center of Attention, I hope to give you
my insights into what fluid management is, how you can get
started, etc. as an adjunct to what Sheldon has brought forth.
As I read his material I was getting a vision of what he meant,
and realized that much more explanation as well as necessary
practice and experience will be required before full
understanding can take place. It is a revolutionary concept
from conventional management and goal setting technique and will
require a new consciousness to really make it work. Over the
next months, COA intends to bring forth some workshops and
training ideas in order to practice these new principles.
Before we can really get into the details you must read the
handbook in order to glean the basics. I encourage all of you
to purchase this book for yourself and others so we can all get
started.
When asked about the Zetas, photon belt, and other issues we
are familiar with, he said that the Zetas are generally under
the control of the Reptilians, but that some have made alliances
with humans in a plan to rid the planet of Reptilians. These
Zetas find humans to be more benevolent masters than the
Reptilians. No details were given but I suspect the humans they
may be aligning themselves with are our secret government. On
the other hand, he says that some of the Zetas believe all
extraterrestrials have left Earth over a year ago. The comet,
Shoemaker-Levy 9 were actually huge ships filled with Reptilians
bent on the conquest of Earth, but that they were destroyed by a
bomb sent from Earth which thwarted their plans.
He goes on to say that the Sirians are highly evolved beings
that are seeking to help rid the Earth of negative influences,
He goes on to say that the Sirians are highly evolved beings
that are seeking to help rid the Earth of negative influences,
including Zetas and Reptilians. They are here to help us move
into higher dimensions and prepare us for our entrance into the
photon belt. The Zetas do not want us to evolve but want to
study us and use us to help them save their race which is
becoming extinct due to cloning. If we evolve, they will be
unable to control us or use our bodies for their experiments.
He also said, the Sirians will probably arrive and make
themselves known during the Summer of '96.
What makes this story important is that after reading the
detailed story I found it believable and got the impression that
this person was extremely naive as to the UFO and abduction
scenarios. It was clear he had not read much, and certainly was
unaware of Sheldon Nidle's information about the Galactic
Federation, the photon belt, or his prophesies, yet he more or
less concurred with it all. This is not validation, but it
certainly hints of such.
Part 1.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Earlier this week I made a trip over to the San Francisco Bay
Area to do a few things. I wound up spending the night at a friend's
house. When it came time to go to bed I decided to sleep on the
floor because I used to do it when I was a kid and it was fun. I
proceeded to put down some covers on the floor and then got into
my sleeping back and went to sleep. Shortly after that I started
rolling around all over the place and finally wound up in a large
chair. A person asked me how I slept and and I said, "That was like
sleeping on top of a fat lady."
Earlier that day I decided to go over and see if I could borrow
a book off of a friend of mine I call Jeff P. The article I was
about searching for, was about a lost gold treasure that was in
Death Vallley. Jeff decided to give me the book which is called
UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASES by COMMANDER X. I knew that Jeff had a
friend who was a female and a person who did massage. She just so
happens to be young, beautiful and full of energy so I decided that I
would try to give her a friendly hug. I telling you when you got
hold of her it was like grabbing onto a high powered generator. I
wasn't trying to pull any hanky panky but just trying to give what is
called a warm fuzzy as given by the people who go to marriage
encounters.
After it was all over I felt like I had experienced a treat and a
treatment. I then commented to both of them how much energy this
person had in her body. I told them how that at times when I touch
or hug someone it nearly knocks them down. On one occasion I had
gone over to meet a person called Mr. Joseph Busby from England who
was over in Los Gatos, Calif. and I had an appointment to interview
him. Some people believed that he was the present incarnation of
the old testament prophet Ezekial. Before meeting him I talked with
his wife who was serving as his social secretary. She was about 72
years old at the time, so I thought I would just shake hands with
her. When I did this the energy came from her to me and then went
back to her again. Her knees then sort of bent, her body shook and
she nearly fell down. She then said, "Have I met you before?" I
then added, "Yes if you were alive during the time J---- was on Earth
then we probably knew each other. She said that she was alive during
that time. I then said that my name was Jacob DonAmi at that time
and I was a statesman and a judge. I then asked her what her name
was at that time. She then sort of gained her composure, gathered
her thoughts about her and said, "Well I normally don't talk about
those things until I know a person better." I then stopped the
conversation and interviewed Ezekial.
Jeff's friend then said that what I was saying about her power was
true because just lately she had been near a friend and an flash of
energy shot between her and the person. It appeared to me that she
said by her motions that it was about 3 inches long. You can be
assured she wasn't talking about any static electricity that builds
up when you rub you feet on a rug or any other normal form of energy.
It's sort of like the energy that a lady healer called Amazing Grace
manifests.
After talking to Jeff for a while he told me that he was now doing
something as a profession that he had been introduced to be a famous
person on the Net. Now he does production of Web Sites for people and
companies. Jeff is a computer consultant. Here is the information
from his card that he gave me.
Mandala Communications, Inc.
Jeff Papineau
Webmaster/Internet Publishing
408-946-9132
yo...@mandala.com
htp://www.mandala.com
After getting back home and reading the card, I thought that it
looked like my dog, who I call Yogi The Telepathic Dog, had his own
Web Site. I haven't checked with Jeff yet the see where he dreamed
up that name for his web site. Yogi did accompany me of this trip.
His day was complete when he got to chase a cat. Yogi's attitude is,
if they run then I have to chase, it's in my job description, written
on jeans and implanted in my DNA. He knows he shouldn't do it but
he is like the little boy called Junior who was depicted by the
comic called Red Skelton. He would say, "If I dooded it I get a
whipin,----I dooed it. In this case I didn't punish Yogi because
it was not a cat from Sonora.
Art Stone
>Subject: Yogi Gets HIs Own Web Site. Feb. 9, 1006.
Wow. A computer message from 990 years ago!
I've heard of Net Lag, but this is incredible.
Someone call Art tonight and let him know that we've discovered proof
of the existence of silicon computer chips (had to be alien life
forms) a thousand years ago. :) :)
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I don't use a signature file because I'm a non-conformist.
John F. Winston
It would probably been more correct if I had said my dog Yogi
has obtained his own E-mail address when I put on the address
yo...@mandala.com but then of course that belongs to Jeff.
While talking to Jeff, he asked me if I had met anymore ascended
masters. I couldn't think of any new ones so I told him about the
time I met Sister Thedra, because some people consider her to have
been a master.
My teacher Merele taught me for months how to get along and act
around masters and he finally took me up to Mt. Shasta and we staid
at Sister Thedra's house with some more masters in attentance. In
the distant past Thedra had been a member of a very strict religious
organization. She started channeling some of the ascended masters
and her husband, being a good man, started trying to get her
committed to an insane asylum. She escaped from him and was helped
by my teacher Merele to get a few things together and a place to live.
Finally she had this nice big home in Mt. Shasta City.
I would sit beside her on the couch talking about all of her
experiences when I made the following request of her, "Would it be OK
if I just put me hand against your arm while we are talking. I would
just like to absorb some of the energy and information from you as we
are speaking.?"
She said that would be OK. I had met and talked with her before and
then she gave me one of the greatest compliments that I have ever
received, and that was, "John, you are one of about 3 people on this
planet who I can feel free to talk about anything." We talked for
quite a while.
Later on that evening I went back over to a friend of mine's house
and started talking with a person called Paul. He was an expert in
plants and worked for the city of Milpitas. He had been married to
an American Indian and knew a lot about them. He said that the way
that the Indians got there people to be immunized to the poison in
poison oak is to have the young people eat a very small part of a
leaf from the plant each day for a few days and then they could go
right though the poison oak with no ill effect. I myself did not
know this but I have always been able to go through poison oak and
not be affected. A young child who I have carried on my back though
this poison oak would break out with it. Even a person who washed
my clothes would catch it also. I am a little bit Indian myself. I
wouldn't recommend that a person try this method of eating a piece of
poison oak. It just could kill you if you are allergic to it.
The conversation with Paul finally got around to a character called
Quetzalcoatl. It appears that Paul is a member of the same
organization that Thedra was originally brought up in. These people
pronounce the name of Quetzalcoatl in a way that I can't remember for
more than 5 minutes. I was amazed at Paul's knowledge of Q. It
appears that Q. was a person who came to the American continent from
around Hawaii. He was so tall, wore a robe, walked on water, raised
the dead and had usually 12 followers. He would spend about a year
in each indian tribe and then move on. When the missionaries came
in and told about J---- the indians would say, "Yes that is Q. Then
the missionaries would tell them to shut up, and listen to them tell
about J----.
They even made a pyramid to Q. at down in Mexico. I asked Paul if he
had ever heard of the book called He Walked The Americas which is a
book about Q. He said that he had a copy of it in his room. Paul
is a very knowledgeable man. I said good-bye to everyone and Yogi
and I hit the road for good old Sonora, where tonight I saw the
movie called Mr. Holland's Opus. It's the story of the life of a
highschool music teacher. I highly recommend it.
The End. Part 2 of 2.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
While listening to radio stations like The Art Bell Show and other
people, I have noticed that many people are asking the same questions
and they are; What's With The Weather, why is the weather doing the
way it is, it appears that the weather is mad at us? I will now
attempt to answer these questions from several perspectives.
This will remind one of the old story of the different blind men who
examined the elephant for the first time and each came back with
different descriptions of the animal.
First let's look at the weather in the eyes of the American Indians.
Most indians of the old school believe that the Earth is a living,
breathing and living being. They believe it has a heart and soul
just like the human body has. They believe we are here to live on
the Earth and take care of it. If we don't do our job right then the
Earth does things to make it right.
Some people who study metaphysics believe in the microcosmum and
the macrocosmum theory. They (or we) believe that the Earth is one
of the organs in the body of the whole universe. The universe is the
total being and the constellations are the organs, the suns are next,
the planets next, then humans. The microcosmos is made up of people
like you and me who are made up of organs, cells, electrons and even
smaller parts. We are universes ourselves. We are part of the
whole and anything that affect one affects the other. Anything we
do to affect another person affects us.
Now let us in a imaginary way ask my dog, Yogi The Telepathic Dog,
his opinion about all of this. These are the imaginary thoughts of
Yogi. Please stand by while we make contact.
I as most people know am a dog. You might say that I am sort of
world in myself. I have fleas on me. When they start biting me
or moving around it causes me pain and I scratch them. Years ago
when my ancestors were in the wild, the wolf would sit slowly down
in a pool of water and the fleas would migrate until they got to
the nose of the wolf. The wolf would hold a piece of feather or
something else in it's mouth out towards the end of his nose. The
fleas would migrate to the feather, the wolf would let go of the
feather and the fleas would be gone for a while. Another thing the
wolf would do would be to walk through certain bushes like the
Bay Leaf bush and the plants themselves would emit certain chemicals
that would kill the fleas or make them jump off. To make this apply
to the weather, my body is like the Earth, fleas are like you and me.
We live on the Earth. When humans and animals start doing things
that affect the Earth the Earth then reacts and starts acting up with
the weather. If things really get bad the Earth does something so
that the Earth is covered with water, killing the people and animals
on it (JW It makes one think about a flood that some people say
happened a long time ago). The analogy of the wolf going through
the Bay Leaf bushes at the present time can not be compared to Earth
to my knowledge at the present time. I hope this has been of value.
I don't normally talk this way but this is just John's way of
translating my thoughts over from dog-latin.
John F. Winston
Now for some reasons why we are having this unusual weather.
From the perspective of the pagans the idea is that we have a lady
who goes by the name of Gaia. She is considered to be a goddess who
takes care of things that happen on Earth. There is a children's TV
program called Captain America (or something like that) that also
talks about her. She is sort of like Mother Nature. Pagans believe
that she reacts to equalize things when we mess up nature. Our low
frequency thoughts of lust, anger, hate and other like things cause
the resonant frequency of the atmosphere of the Earth to lower and
bad things happen. We are polluting the atmosphere with atomic
tests, fossil fuel powered cars and many other things. We have
destroyed whole species of animals and birds like the carrier pigeons
and the buffalo. We once had millions of buffaloes roaming the
country and we killed all of them except for a few we keep in parks,
zoos and those that are slaughtered for meat.
If you are a religiously oriented person you may think that we
are going though rough times before J---- comes back.
If you listen to people who channel the higher beings, Gabriel
is blowing his horn, Michael is saying we are about up to the time
of the opening of the seventh seal in the old testament, (I'll have
to check on that one again). I don't know when J---- will return.
I don't believe we are getting close to the end of the world but we
are getting close to the end of the earth as we know it, the end of
time as we know it.
The newagers would say we are going into the new age and things
may get rough before we get all the way into it.
The people who believe like Sheldon Nidle, the person who is trying
to invite the Sirian space people to come in to solve our problems,
believe that we are getting very close to going into the Photon Belt,
sort of in the edge of the Null Zone. Time is speeding up. The good
people are getting better and the bad people are getting worst.
So standby folks, things are happening.
Part 2 of 2.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
JW Gaia is on a show called Captain Planet.
John F. Winston
Here is a web site that I came across by accident about 2 years
ago. I had been trying to find it ever since that time. Yesterday I
ran across it again. It is very long and is;
http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/Spirit/JohnWinston/john-winston9.html
It has been made by a friend of mine called Nanook. He puts down
a lot of my postings and here is some of his thinking. There was a
time long ago when people liked to flame me and that time for all
praticel purposes in now over. Most my mail is of a positive nature
and people treat me very good. Here we go with his thoughts.
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JOHN-WINSTON'S VIEW OF REALITY
R D nanook 14 Mar 94 10:31:03 GMT]
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What motivated this post is not just "John_-_Winston" bashing, it's
peoples willingness to dismiss anything that doesn't fit well with
generally accepted views of physical reality.
For the people reading this in alt.alien.visitors, I am cross-posting
this to lobby, a local news group on a public access Unix system I run
known as Eskimo North (eskimo.com) so that those folks can also get a
better understanding of my background.
For those reading this in lobby, originally I was going to post this
message to alt.alien.visitors, but after spending several hours
composing this I thought, this would also be a good opportunity for
you to know a little more about the operator of the service you are
using, my background, interests, motivations, etc. John Winston is a
frequent poster to alt.alien.visitors.
I am concerned that some of what I am going to say is going to offend
some of you who have decidedly different views of the nature of
reality, spirituality, etc. But by the same token, I expect at least
the possibility of some sharing of experiences with those of you who
have had similiar experiences.
A lot of John's posts sound like, occasionally are, tabloid material,
but also quite frequently I read things in his posts, accounts from
various experiences that are things that have happened to me, or
phenomena that I have experienced that very rarely do I see or hear
about elsewhere.
There is more to this reality than most of you know. I am not
claiming a monopoly on "the truth", I am still exploring and trying
to gain a better, more complete understanding of the complete nature
of reality.
But one thing I have come to understand, the mainstream view of the
nature of physical reality is severely incomplete and possibly
entirely wrong.
I know that the generally accepted picture of physical reality is
wrong, or at the very least incomplete, because I've had some
personal experiences that flat don't fit accepted physics. I
personally don't ascribe these experiences to anything particularly
mystical, I simply believe that our mainstream view of the nature of
physical reality is either wrong or incomplete and exactly how wrong
or incomplete I don't know because I have not personally had enough
such experiences to map it out.
I am interested in gaining a better understanding about the true
nature of physical reality and all that it encompasses, and one of
the things that seems key to doing so is finding more examples of
things that fall outside of what the accepted picture of reality
defines as possible, and yet assume some degree of credibility. When
enough examples are found then it becomes possible to make some
hypothesis about the real nature of reality and test it.
In Johns posts, from time to time I see examples of the kinds of
things that have happened to me happen to other people. And many of
you blow them off and acuse John of being everything from a twit to a
disinformation agent, yet I KNOW if you haven't experienced anything
like this, WHY do you have to attack John? Why can't you just skip it
if you aren't interested, and allow those of us who are to learn from
each others experience?
Allow me to speak for a moment of a couple of themes I see quite
frequently in John's posts, and a few others who have been lumped as
"friends" of Johns, account them:
The new-age concept of "reality creation" and channeling.
The idea of time-travel or future contact.
The shifting of the earths axis and earth changes.
Several years ago, when eskimo was a small public access Unix site,
with no Internet access, on a Tandy 6000, with about 70 subscribers,
one of those people (whom I'm not naming here because she may not wish
to be associated with this) gave me a copy of Jane Roberts (who
channels Seth) book, "The Nature of Personal Reality". Whether or not
Seth was a genuine seperate entity that Jane channels, an aspect of
Janes subconcious mind, or an intentionally created fictional
character, the material that was presented I found to be of value. To
the person who gave me that book (you know who you are), thank you!
In my mind, I've got this store of events, items, observations, that
"don't make sense", don't relate well to the rest of the reality, I
know. In reading this book, I found little insites that time and time
again I found myself thinking, "I never thought of it that way, but
it makes sense, if this is true, then this and that and all these
things now make sense". And the principal of reality creation, has
certainly changed my life. Eskimo has over a very short time grown
from a Tandy 6000 isolated save for Usenet, to three Sun servers with
a T1 internet connection and nearly 1000 subscribers.
I wish I could remember his name, but there was an individual who
posted some material a while back from a person who believed that the
future creates itself by reaching back and setting the seeds of it's
own creation.
There is an article in this months (March 1994) issue of Scientific
American, (it ain't quite Nature, but it's a reasonably mainstream
accepted source) entitled, "The Quantum Physics of Time Travel".
In it, it talks about resolution of a couple of paradoxes, one known
as the Grandfather paradox, in which someone goes back in time and
kills their grandfather, or in some other way prevents the birth of
their parents and thus themselves, and another paradox called a
knowledge paradox. It resolves both of these paradoxes with a
Dultiverse, an infinite number of parallel universes.
The information paradox is generally stating that information can not
be created without creative effort being expended. In the example they
give, an art critic from the future travels back into the past and
visits a person who, in the future time frame is a renouned artist,
but who at the time visited is rather mediocre. The time traveler
brings with him samples of the artists future work, which the artist
deligently copies, and the copies are essentially the works to become
the future work. An artistic free-lunch, which the author believes is
ruled out by common sense.
In the multiverse solution to this paradox, a universe exists in which
the painter is mediocre initially, and one in which he is great. The
work is not created out of thin air in a timeloop, but rather
tranferred from the universe where the artist is a great painter into
the universe where he is not.
Personally, I do not believe that the possibility of the future
creating itself can be ruled out simply because it is non-sensical. A
lot of things happen in quantum physics which are non-sensical, the
dual wave/partical nature of everything for one, electron tunneling,
etc. Often things seem non-sensical only BECAUSE WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND
THEIR TRUE NATURE!
There is a BIG HINT here folks, not just with regards to John's
postings, but to every aspect of your life.
Whether the true nature of reality does involve a whole multiverse or
simply the ability of events from the future to impact the present and
past, the effect is similar. In either case, it is possible for
information to come into our present reality from the future or
seemingly out of nowhere. I know this happens because it happens to
me. I can't prove it to you but I know that if you look you'll find
out there is a lot more to reality than you presently know. It is
far, far more flexible than you imagine. There is a lot of truth to
reality creation. Whether or not you can completely create your
reality, you certainly can influence far more effectively than can
readily be accounted for by mainstream thinking.
With regards to earth changes, or axis shifts, also see this months
Scientific American (March 1994), read the article entitled, "The
Earth's Mantle below the Oceans", it at least provides a physical
mechanism for such a shift to occur and provides evidence that such a
mechanism exists. Whether or not a rapid polar shift (and we are
talking about axis of rotation here not magnetic shift, though it's
easy to see how a magnetic shift could/would accompany such a shift)
ever has occured or ever will I don't know. The point is there is at
least a mechanism for how it COULD happen.
I am going to relate some of my experiences here that I've been
referring to, some of them I have related to before, but I want to
try to put some of them into context. I realize some of you won't
believe. That's ok, I am not trying to prove anything to you. What I
am trying to do is show you that possibilities exist, and also I am
hoping to perhaps catch the attention of others who have had similar
experiences but have felt disinclined to communicate them for fear of
being criticized the way John Winston often is.
When I was in my first year of Jr. High school, I lived nearly on the
top of a large hill, and the school I went to was down in a hole,
there was probably about 200 feet of difference in elevation which
made it real easy to run to school and a real drag to climb out
of the hole coming home.
The first block I went down was a long block down hill, and about 50
feet from the bottom there was a fire hydrant. I used to run down
this street every day. The sidewalk was cement, the kind with little
dividers every two feet or so, squares, in the concrete. When I'd get
to the fire hydrant I used to do a long jump and see how much
distance could get out of it, and I don't know in any absolute terms
what the normal jumps I'd get were but they certainly wouldn't
qualify me for the olympics or anything else.
One morning though, SOMETHING happened. I jumped, and I knew I got a
good launch, and I pulled my legs up under me as tight as I could to
reduce drag and get as much distance out of it as possible. Something
strange happened, I went up into the air about as much as expected,
but then instead of falling back down, I just kind of hung there,
kept moving forward, way past where I would normally land, past the
end of the side walk, across 17th landed part way down the hill on
the other side. I looked around wondering if anybody had witnessed
what just happened, didn't see anyone, so I turned around and walked
back up to 17th and continued on the way to school.
This happened in my first year of Jr. High school, and every school
day after that I tried to reproduce it, and never was successful at
achieving anything beyond the normal jumps I had done before that.
What happened that morning is presently beyond my understanding, but
it was not explainable given the mainstream view of the nature of
physical reality, but that didn't stop it from happening, although it
might be sufficient to stop some of you from believing it happened.
During my last year of Jr. High school and through high school, I
either ran a bootleg radio station or participated in one being run
by friends. The first I was involved with was run by someone in
Wedgewood, a neighborhood about 3 miles east of where I lived and
about 1/2 mile to the south. Even after I started and was running my
own pirate radio station I continued to participate in the other
along with a number of other people. Towards the end of the time that
station was operating, I was driving, and had driven over and was on
my way back. There was a pretty good thunderstorm going and I was
driving a '68 rambler with a three in the tree manual transmission
with no synchros in first (and none that worked in any other gear).
The relevant point here is that the transmission was difficult to
shift rapidly, if you tried the strange ball and rod linkage it used
would pop apart and the transmission would jam up.
On the way back I was driving along 17th which is the same north-south
street I jumped over that one morning, and I was a block south
90th, the street I lived on. Just as I crossed 89th, there was this
big lightning strike over lake Washington. It could only be seen while
crossing 89th as houses on either side obscurred the view. I stopped
the car and backed back into the intersection, the lightning strike
instead of lasting milliseconds lasted long enough to do this, and it
turned from a blue-white color to red in the process.
JW We will continue this later.
Part 1.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
Subject: Nanook's Web Site. Feb. 12, 1996.
We will back up a little bit in Nanook's story so it will all
tie in properly.
John Winston.
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----------------------------------- Towards the end of the time that
station was operating, I was driving, and had driven over and was on
my way back. There was a pretty good thunderstorm going and I was
driving a '68 rambler with a three in the tree manual transmission
with no synchros in first (and none that worked in any other gear).
The relevant point here is that the transmission was difficult to
shift rapidly, if you tried the strange ball and rod linkage it used
would pop apart and the transmission would jam up.
On the way back I was driving along 17th which is the same north-
south street I jumped over that one morning, and I was a block south
of 90th, the street I lived on. Just as I crossed 89th, there was
this big lightning strike over lake Washington. It could only be seen
while crossing 89th as houses on either side obscurred the view. I
stopped the car and backed back into the intersection, the lightning
strike instead of lasting milliseconds lasted long enough to do this,
and it turned from a blue-white color to red in the process.
Now, my understanding of lightning is that once break-down occurs the
ionized atmosphere is a good conductor and so discharge occurs very
rapidly, but this one time it must have taken at least ten seconds.
And what caused the color of the bolt to change from blue-white to
red in the process, I don't know. I imagine that there is some
exceptional circumstances that could allow ordinary physics to
explain this but I don't know what it is. It was cool to watch
though!
Speaking of lightning, I was at home during one storm. In Seattle,
lightning storms are usually pretty wimpy, not real impressive, not
like back in the midwest where you can drive by nearly continuous
lightning during a good storm at night (I went through one like this
in North Dakota, it was really cool). Anyway, I had this TV antenna I
had put up outside really hokey, I had a couple of sections of mast
with an antenna on top strapped to a railing on the side of the porch
with twinlead coming down through my bedroom window, no grounding of
mast, no lightning arrestors (which are generally wasted here
anyway). There was a lightning storm and it was getting pretty heavy
by Seattle standards, and I thought, maybe I should disconnect that
antenna and put it out the window before lightning hits it and blows
my television all to h---.
So I reached for the antenna wire on the back of the TV and when I
was about two inches from it there was a nearby lightning strike and
a spark jump about two inches from the antenna to my hand. Man that
will really get your attention! My whole body jolted, but there
wasn't any obvious damage, my arm at first felt like I had slept on
it and cut off the circulation, it was numb and paralized, hanging
by my side limp. I couldn't do anything with it, but after about a
minute of panic I started to be able to wiggle my fingers, and
feeling started to return, and in about fifteen minutes everything
worked again, except it felt like I had been holding a bowling ball
straight out at arms length for several hours. The next day it felt
normal again but my TV didn't receive hardly anything any more. I
went out to inspect the damage to the antenna, and while the antenna
was intact, the twinlead had these weird gaps about every three feet
where about two inches of insulation were melted away. Kind of
transformed the twinlead into ladder wire. Anyway, it shorted to the
mast. I replaced it and everything was almost back to normal. The set
was an "off-the-line" tube set, and apparently the discharge cooked
the capacitors to the antenna leads and turned them into conductors
so I'd get zapped by the TV if I or antenna if I didn't unplug it
before doing anything with it after that.
----ll, no special physics involved in that experience, just related
to the lightning thing, the spaced gaps in the twinlead can be
explained by resonance and standing waves in the line. I feel like
I was lucky to come away with no permanent damage though, and it kind
of reminds you just how fast things can happen.
One of the reasons I am attracted to alt.alien.visitors has to do
with an experience I had when I was about ten. I had no history of
sleep-walking, but one morning I woke up with a high-clay mud on my
pajama bottoms. There wasn't mud like that around the house, but
there was at a school I went to about six blocks away, and that's
about the closest source I know of for high-clay mud like that. I
dreamt I was taken aboard a UFO.
So, did I have an abduction experience, or just freaking out because
my parents were going through a divorce and all at that time? I
don't know. I do remember some things from the dream to this day
though. The spaceship was not very large, and the aliens were about
the same size as me. One thing that fascinated me in particular,
there was this tube around the circumference of the craft, several
inches in diameter, about a foot off the floor and about a foot from
the wall. It looked like a glass tube filled with mercury (not
saying that it was, it just had that appearance), and at one point on
the tube there were some coils of copper wire wound around it, and
they connected to what looked like a lead-acid car battery except
there were only three cells and they were maybe five times larger
than the cells of a car battery, and the posts were different, but
basically it had that appearance.
I find it interesting, that in so much of the fringe-science
literature there are claims of electromagnetic means to anti-gravity
or FTL travel now, and when I was only ten, the dream I had of being
aboard a UFO prominently features apparatus that appeared to somehow
utilize electromagnetism (why else copper coils connected to a
battery). The function of the thing that looked like a tube full of
mercury has me puzzled. Wondering if there was any strange physical
effects of mercury and electromagnets. I took a mercury thermometer
and wound a coil around it and hooked it to a battery, nothing
obviously interesting happened.
When I was running the bootleg station, for a while I had a part
time job pulling orders in a warehouse. One night I had a dream that
I played a record and announced it as "The Late Great Elvis Presley",
now some background, I've never been an Elvis fan, and he wasn't dead
at the time. The dream was so odd that I told a bunch of people at
work about it. Then about 10:30 they announced on the P.A. that Elvis
Presley had died. (theme from the Twilight Zone plays in the
background)...
Some years ago, when the cold war was still going strong, I was
having a lot of lucid dreams. When I have lucid dreams, I can go
anywhere instantly by thinking about it, I mean, zing, and I'm there,
even faster than normal reflexes, just instantly, except when it
involves time.
One time, while having a lucid dream I decided to go back in time,
and the most wild experience I've ever had happened. I felt myself
accelerating backwards, and I saw time as a physical dimension I was
travelling through, and I saw things in four dimensions, there is no
waking experience to compare this to, sounds went by and lights went
by and the feeling of accelerating backwards was overwhelming. Unlike
other places I travelled, this was not instant, travelling through
time took some period of time. I found myself standing on this brick
road at night. There was a telephone pole with an incandecent street
lamp with a tin reflector above it. There was a fence and behind it a
bi-plane painted orange and white. The scene felt absolutely real. I
got scared and thought what if I can't get back? As soon as I had
that thought, the sensation of accelerating happened again, forward
this time, and I saw things go by in reverse, again I saw things in
four dimensions, and then I woke up in my bed.
Well, this was wild, and I continued to have lucid dreams, and since
I had gone back in the past, now I wanted to go into the future,
but I was afraid to. At that time, the threat of nuclear war seemed
very real, and I was afraid that any minute we'd blow ourselves all
too h---l. I was afraid that if I went into the future, I'd find out
that everybody was gone, civilization was destroyed. Finally, I got
the nerve to go like one week. And I tried to find a paper and look
for something that I could remember and take back as a test. I found
a paper and opened up to the business section and tried to look at
the stock values. I did not intend to go buy stock and get rich this
way, I was only trying to determine if this was real information or
just imagination (assuming at this point that the two were not
closely coupled, something I no longer believe). Well, I couldn't
focus on the numbers. No matter how hard I tried, the numbers would
not become clear. I got frustrated and returned.
Later, in another dream, I got more brave and decided to go farther
into the future, way into the distant future was my original goal, I
wanted to find out what would happen to the human race, what would
become of the earth. The travel seemed to take a long time so I
became impatient and stopped. Where I stopped, I didn't know what
time/date it was, so I tried again to find a newspaper, and did. When
I tried to read the date on the paper it was like with the stock
reports, I couldn't focus on it. But I could read the headline which
said, "Quake Devastates Berlin, Germany". This struck me as odd at
the time because the cold war was still going strong, and the idea
that Germany would ever be unified again was ridiculous, east was
east and west was west.
Somehow I knew this was the implication of the headline, and now over
time this has happened. Germany is Germany, Berlin is Berlin, and the
wall is down. I am still waiting for the devastating quake.
On the subject of earth changes, I am not predicting anything, I want
to make that very clear. But I also want to say that I think it's
possible that large rapid changes will occur. The article in
Scientific American I made reference to provides a mechanism.
I've had reocurring dreams, since early childhood, of this happening.
One of my earliest dreams involves a time when I am visiting my aunt
who lives about a mile from me. She lives on a dead end street with a
culdesac at the end. In the dream, the pavement splits and a few
rocks fly up into the air, and then more and more and a cone starts
building, slow at first and then more rapid, and I realize, where I
live is not safe from this volcano that has just formed.
I've had many, many dreams where all of the volcanoes in the cascades
which are presently inactive become active, and the ground beneath my
feet is hot, and we make an attempt to escape via I-90. As we get
just over the pass a volcano to the south and slightly behind us
erupts violently but we keep going. We make it all the way through
Washington, and into idaho, and are climbing a hill. The roads are
all buried in volcanic ash, and the ground is hot under our feet,
(there are many people fleeing), but we keep walking east, there is
the sense that if we go far enough east the ground will be stable.
I had this one dream where I was at a small town in eastern
Washington and there was a swimming pool and we were swimming and all
of the sudden a mountain to the north erupted and the ash was coming
down around us and we had to get out of there in a hurry.
I had a dream of being on 5th N.E. in Seattle, and my father and his
wife were over from Yakima visiting, and I was looking up in the sky
and thought I was looking at the moon, and then looked over and saw
the real moon and realized this thing I was looking at was not the
moon but some object on a collision path with earth, at least I had
the feeling this was the case.
Well, it's time for me now to go to sleep and have some more dreams
as it is 2:30am and I have to work tomorrow. So hope I haven't bored
everyone too much or ticked too many people off or made it sound like
everything is ominous. There is potential for good and bad and I
think we have a part in which way things go.
Goodnight all.
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ki...@spiritweb.org[K
JW Nannok's thinking to me is similar to what might happen if one
of the lemmings got a thought and said, "Stop, don't jump into the
ocean. There is not land out there. You will all be killed." This
on course is what happens when the lemming who are a small rodent
type animal become so overpopulated that they all go jump in the
ocean, swim out into the water and drown. It just so happens that
a very small percentage of them don't take the swim, stay on the
land to produce the next generation of rodents. Another example
would be if a rabbit suddenly had a solitary thought of, "Hey we are
reproducing too often. We are getting to many of us in one spot.
If we continue at this rate of reproduction we will catch Rabbit
Fever and most of us will die." The rest of the rabbit might say
in return, "Are you kidding reproduction is in our nature. We were
made to do this. It is enjoyable to do this. If it feels good, do
it." It just so happens some of the rabbit do not catch the Rabbit
Fever and live to start another generation who do the same thing
over again. Nanook is the lemming and rabbit that says, "Shoot no,
I won't go.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here is some information about Val's space craft on Lake Mead.
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Nixon Meets A Spaceman.
(Fri, 9 Jul 93 18:01:50 PDT)
Subject: Nixon Meets Man From Space.
There is a book in the Calif. Library System which states that
our former president, Mr. Richard M. Nixon, once carried on a
conversation with a man from space. I wonder what he would say about
the information stated in the book? Here is the information;....
..At that moment, another gentleman rushed into the room. It turned
out to be Vice President Richard Nixon. He appeared to Val to be very
sharp, quick-witted, with fixed eyes and an amazing aptitude toward
speed and proficiency.
"My name is Valiant," he said as the Vice President thrust his hand
without hesitation.
"You have certainly caused a stir...for an out of towner." The
Vice President smiled as he continued, "Of course, we are not totally
convinced of anything just yet. But suffice it to say we are checking
and double checking everything you say and do. When Sergeant Young
from Alexandria radioed in and stated that you had just landed in a
flying saucer, we though," he continued, "Sergeant Young had flipped.
Say, were you in on that UFO flap over Washington? You certainly
had us all in a dither, if you were."
After assuring them that this planet had been under close scrutiny
for hundreds of years before the 1945 bomb blast and with his special
letter still in the slightly quivering hand of the President, he was
requested to follow the Secret Service back the way they had come..
to the Pentagon and into a beautifully furnished apartment where he
would spend the next three years. Fortunately, he was prepared for
such a lengthy visit and kept in constant communication with the
starship. There were many occasions during which he teleported
himself in and out of those quarters often exercising "transimagery"
to cause the security guards to visualize his face on a nonexistent
I.D. badge
Photos Taken
Soon after his arrival, together with three members of his crew, he
joined a "convention" in the back yard of the home of Mr. Howard
Menger in High Bridge, New Jersey. The month was April, 1957. A
certain group of individuals who were interested in UFOs were meeting
that day. Val and his crew members, Donn, Jill and Tanyia, had
changed into the same type of clothing worn by their Earth friends.
The meeting was very interesting and these people were on the right
track. He was dismayed to learn the undignified manner in which these
people were treated by the press. Never the less, these people were
pursuing their beliefs and is was good. A curious young photographer,
August C. Roberts, snapped several pictures, thinking he was doing so
without Val's knowledge. The photographer seemed to be greatly
troubled when he attempted to talk to him. Yet, it was those very
photographs which were to bring me together with this unusual man on
that cold December day.
Holding the message from the High Council in his hand, the
President stated that Val's offer to help the human family would
upset the economy of the United States and could plunge her into the
abyss of chaos. In brief, he politely told Val that the people of
this planet were not ready to cope with such conditions as would come
into existence if the recommendations of this unearthly visitor were
put into action. Nevertheless, he was invited to assist a number of
scientists who were out working on medical projects directly
associated with the space sciences.
JW: Val was also asked to help work on an orbital bomb system, but
he told them that he wasn't interested in that sort of thing.
Source of Information: Stranger At The Pentagon, 4th edition, by
Frank Stranges, PHD.
Part 3. Posting Number 5.
John Winston.
Ike Turns Down Spaceman.
(Fri, 9 Jul 93 18:04:20 PDT)
Subject: Why Didn't Ike Take The Spaceman's Offer.
One might wonder why you late President Ike didn't take the offer
that was given to us by the people from Venus. Here are some of the
reasons why he didn't take them up on the offer for help......
...His last meeting with the President did not reap any lasting
results. He wanted to let the world know of Val's proposed plan,
but the Secretary of Defense, the head of the Central Intelligence
Agency and the Military Chiefs of Staff were opposed to his
suggestion. The President attempted to effect a joint meeting
before the General Assembly of the United Nations. But this plan
too was rejected. He was informed that the U.N. would receive a
special "press release" in the form of a memorandum to the Secretary
General no later than February, 1966. These leaders of the U.S.
Government argued long into the night, fearing that if the people
of this nation learned of the plan Val was offering, they might
choose to follow him instead of them. When a man feels that his
personal peace and tranquility may be threatened, the human reaction
is always that of swift self-preservation. At one point, the Vice
President insisted that the "pressure boys" allow the President
make the choice. He was vetoed without even a chance complete his
statements.
World conditions were not growing any better. Much international
pressure was being brought to bear upon the administration. They
fought diligently and enforced rigid regulations with stiff penalties
for revealing Val's presence. Even a major newscaster who
inadvertently learned of his visit through one of his paid informants
was silenced by none other than the Central Intelligence Agency,
which has consistently disclaimed all knowledge concerning UFOs.
Meanwhile, they maintain secret files that could actually prove the
existence of intelligent life in the universe beyond all doubt.
The morning of March 15, 1960 saw Val meeting with "Nancy Warren"
who would continue to work inside the Pentagon and be one of his
contacts in the Washington, D.C. area. She would continue
communication with others who would become part of his Earth
contacts.
There are still to this day many adversaries to human freedom.
These parasites have imbedded themselves in all phases of human
society and will never be exposed except by extraterrestrial
intervention. There are confused individuals who have perfected a
saucer-type aircraft. Some of these are the result of an attempt by
some to institute a master race. Remnants of this group still exist.
These craft which they designed are still seen from time to time in
areas of South America where some of those involved in the original
plans still reside. These should not be confused with e spacecraft
originating from other worlds or those coming from the interior of
this planet. Nor should the occupants of craft originating from other
worlds be confused with those "evil messengers" who do not originate
from Earth but were cast INTO it after the first "war" ever recorded.
JW I feel that I will probably loose a few of you when he mentioned
the interior of the Earth but then some of you may still believe that
the sun comes up in the morning. If you have any problems in that
area just consult the local male chicken and he will inform you that
he made the sun come up due to his vocalization.
Source of Information: Stranger At The Pentagon, by Frank Stranges.
Part 4.
John Winston.
Spaceship On The Water.
(Fri, 9 Jul 93 18:06:34 PDT)
It has been stated in the past that Val Thor has a space craft that
is on the water of Lake Mead near Las Vegas. Here is some information
about that UFO. .....................................................
Then I saw it. An actual, saucer-shaped vehicle was sitting
on the water. I noticed a strange phenomena. The waves
were gently rocking a power boat tied to the rough mooring,
causing the boat to rise and fall. However, I noticed that the
space craft DID NOT MOVE. I was to be informed later that
the ship was equipped with a pencil-fine beam that when
fixed on any solid object kept the ship from moving even one
degree from that fixed position. As we neared the ship, it glistened
in the light of the sun that was beautifully setting,
rapidly. We sailed close to the craft with the motor cut off.
Then an aperture opened, revealing two smiling faces. One
man and one woman greeted me by name, took my hand,
lifted me into the ship and then reached down for Val. A
short time later, the small power-craft was also raised aboard
and stowed in a compartment where a much larger power
craft was also seen.
My first impression was one of great exhilaration mingled
with joy and excitement I had read from time to time
true accounts that had changed the lives of other UFO
researchers and investigators. I have read many books that
carefully outlined the experiences of those who had experienced
actual space contact. But now it was different. It was
happening to me. I remembered how my colleagues in the
Christian ministry looked with disdain upon anyone who
would dare relate incidents about "space people", "space
vehicles" and such. But now I found myself caring less what
anyone would possibly think of me because of my own experiences.
I was there!!!
Purifying Sensation.
I was ushered by these wonderful people to a room
where I was requested to completely disrobe. I did so without
question. I then walked through a compartment that
resembled a shower...only without water. I felt a purifying
sensation all over my body. I no longer required my eyeglasses
to see. This is another phenomena on board the ship
that was quite "unscientific". I felt extremely good in body,
soul and spirit.
After walking through the "shower compartment" I was
issued a white outfit that resembled what we would call
"overalls". The fabric was lightweight just as Val's garment
had been when he showed it to me at the Pentagon. However
it was a different fabric than his.
JW You know, this sounds a lot like the TV show Star Trek The
Next Generation.
Source Of Information: Stranger At The Pentagon, by Frank
Stranges.
Part 5.
John Winston.
John F. Winston
This may sound like one of the many get rich quick, chain
letter things that you sometimes see but it's not. Here the
latest dope that has come down the pike.
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BEND URI GELLER'S
SPOON WITH YOUR MIND
AND WIN $1 MILLION
You can do
it on the
Internet
Get online, Internet surfers!
Uri Geller, the man who can mangle cutlery using the power of
mind, is tossing out a high-tech challenge that can make you rich
beyond your wildest dreams.
The famous Israeli is offering a mind-bending $1 million to anyone
who can twist a spoon locked in a safe at his London home.
And you can do it from the comfort of your own computer. Geller's
special see-through vault has a camera pointed at the spoon - and
anyone who can access the Internet can see see it just by tuning into
Geller's World Wide Web site: http:/www.urigeller.com.
The trick is to channel your psychokinetic powers to work long-
distance.
All sttempts will be filmed so the incredible feat can be shown
to an audience.
"If someone succeeds in doing it, they will be more powerful than
me, that's definite," says Geller, 49. "I really would be happy to
transfer the crown to someone else."
Geller already has a taker.
World-famous psychic Ron Mangum, known for his eerily accurate
predictions, says the Internet spoon-bending can be done - and he'll
be the one to do it.
"I'm going to take his money," says Ron, 43, of Clayton, Ga.
"Let's set up a date and a time so everyone can tune in and watch
me do it."
Even though Geller claims he doesn't have the ability to bend a
spoon via computer, he did use long-distance telepathy once to stop
Britain's most famous clock - Big Ben - for three hours.
And that amazing deed shocked even Geller himself.
He was in Israel at the time overseeing a movie about his life,
when a journalist on the set asked if he could bring the towering
timepiece to a halt.
"It was almost a joke, says Geller, who has made millions with his
psychic powers. "But I said to myself: `Stop' while concentrating on
the clock. Then I forgot about the whole thing."
It wasn't until later that he learned of his incredible achievement.
"It's simply a power I can't explain," he says.
JW I might warn you that these tabloid people many times get these
web site addresses wrong.
Source Of Information: February 13, 1996/EXAMINER.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
P.S. I just checked out that web site address and I did have to
change it a little and put an extra / in it. The address that
worked for me is htp://www.urigeller.com
John F. Winston
Here is some back postings about Valient Thor a person who is
from Venus. If you have read them before then please don't bother
reading them. They were posted in 1993.
John Winston.
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Waste Disposable Aboard A UFO.
(Sun, 11 Jul 93 07:11:17 PDT)
In case you go aboard the space craft that is on Lake Mead, I have
some good news and some bad news in case you get a call from nature
to go to the little boy's or girl's room. The good new is that they
do have such a room and the bad news is that they don't have paper
that would normally be used for such a purpose. The following
information will clear up what you have to do.
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Later I was shown to my own guest quarters which were quite unique.
Again no square corners. The color was pale blue made even softer by
the indirect lighting which appeared to come from the ceiling.
Walking across the floor was like standing in the thickest, puffiest
clouds you can imagine. It seemed to "fit" the form of your foot as
you walked. The room actually looked quite bare when you first walked
in.
Everything to serve your needs was located in the wall and with the
push of a button, it was at your service. The bed, the desk, all at
your fingertips. A viewscreen was visible in the wall at eye level as
you sat in the chair provided for your complete comfort.
One amusing incident occurred when the needs of nature had to be
attended. I went into the bathroom and was embarrassed to note the
obvious absence of toilet tissue. Then it happened. I heard a voice
within my mind which I immediately recognized as belonging to Val.
He said, "Frank, look to your right. You will find three buttons.
Push the first, then the second and then the third, in that order."
I could hear Teel's laugh as I proceeded to press the first button.
The sensation was that of a rapid warm wind similar to a jet of air,
blowing beneath the seat. The process entirely crystalized the waste
matters and caused it to drop from me. Then the second button was
another jet blast of a different pressure and temperature. Finally,
the third button. This produced a pleasant, fragrant substance that
made me feel as though I had been washed, cleaned, powdered and
perfumed.
As I came out of the bathroom, no one paid any attention to me
although I had a strong feeling that everybody in the room knew what
had happened.
Suddenly Teel (JW a pretty space lady) broke the silence by saying,
"Well, do you want take one home with your?"
A few of them laughed and went on about their business.
After meeting privately with Val, I proceeded to sleep for a few
hours and in the morning, Val drove me back to San Diego where I
again boarded a plane bound for Los Angeles.
JW So there your have it folks, a manual of getting rid of waste.
Source of Information: Stranger At The Pentagon, by Frank
Stranges.
Part 6.
John Winston.
Where Are All Of Those Spaceships?
(Sun, 11 Jul 93 07:14:34 PDT)
Subject: Victor 1 Where Are You?
The space craft that Val Thor has on Lake Mead is parked in a certain
place. Here is some information about it.
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Parked near the shore of the western-most reach of Lake Mead, east
of Las Vegas, Nevada, is VICTOR ONE, a spacecraft from an
extraterrestrial culture in which the name Commander Valiant Thor is
prominent. This is the craft which he commands and uses as his "home"
on Earth. VICTOR ONE is northwest of Hoover Dam, southeast of Nellis
Air Force Base, northeast of the town of Henderson, Nevada, and south
of the Gypsum Plant. As of early December, 1988, it was just south of
Las Vegas Wash about a mile northeast of the junction of Highways 147
and 166. It can move about.
VICTOR ONE has been in this vicinity for eleven years. There are
other Victor Class spacecraft which have been observing Earth for
thousands of years. Several thousand people of Earth know of VICTOR
ONE...approximately 2000 are U.S. Government officials currently in
office. A limited number of people of Earth have visited VICTOR ONE,
including several scientists. No government officials have ever
visited VICTOR ONE.
The "Victor Class" Sector
A space craft of the Victor Class is a 300-foot diameter discus,
twenty-two feet high at the rim, increasing to ninety seven feet on
the axis. The permanent crew is approximately 200. Its audio-visual-
laser-type camera can select and pick up any person's actions and
words as well as record them, all this up to a distance of 1200 miles
from the spacecraft. There are presently about 450 persons under
surveillance by VICTOR ONE. Only 20% are of a positive nature. The
rest present some kind of threat to the planet.
Approximately 103 victor Class spacecraft are on or near the
surface of the Earth, active between some 287 locations The first
Victor Class ship visited Earth nearly 6,000 years ago. When Albert
Einstein's four papers of technical development first appeared in
1905, the need for close scrutiny incresed. Deployment reached the
present level of 103 in 1981 during the peak threat of neclear war.
All of the Victor Class ships were carefuly constructed on board
the Starship. There is a level compartment on the very bottom of the
Starship where these ships are constructed and housed until they are
dispatched. The crews are carefully chosen with the ranking officers
being those who are considered seasoned to command such a craft. The
design of the Victor Class ships is constant. There are no
variations. There are other scout ships that are smaller (such as the
one which Val used to go to Alexandria, Virginia and visit the
Pentagon). These have a capacity of one, two, three, four, six, eight
or ten persons. All of these are also constructed of the same basic
material as the Victor Class ships. The shapes vary. As a mater of
fact they have been built in every shape known to man. A mini-class
ship with an elongated configuraton in shape of a torpedo is used to
transport supplies. These are those which have been seen coming out
of the sides of mountains in California, Nevada and Arizona. Bases
inside these mountain areas house these craft as well. You may have
heard some of the stories the Indians tell of these bases.
All of the Victor Class ships have the capability of
interplanetary travel if and when it's necessary.
JW I would like to go into this craft someday.
Source of Information: Stranger At The Pentagon by Frank
Stranges.
Part 1.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
Subject: Back Postings About Val. Part 2 of 2. Feb. 15, 1996.
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Location Of Spaceships.
(Sun, 11 Jul 93 07:18:33 PDT)[K
Subject: Where Are All Of These 103 Spaceships Located?
You may be wondering where all of these Victor Series spaceship are
scattered around the Earth. Here is some information that will let
you know a little more about that subject;
Location of the Ships
The 287 locations of the Victor Series ships by land masses,
oceans or countries are as follows:
North & South Pacific Ocean.................................38
Japan.......................................................29
USA (48 States).............................................21
North & South Atlantic Ocean................................18
USSR........................................................17
China & Mongolia............................................17
India, Afghanistan through Viet Nam.........................17
Middle East.................................................17
Africa & Madagascar.........................................17
Europe......................................................15
Indian Ocean................................................13
Philippines & Indonesian Islands............................11
Australia & New Zealand......................................9
South America................................................8
Scandanavia..................................................7
Canada.......................................................6
Korea........................................................5
Arctic Ocean.................................................4
Greenland & Iceland..........................................3
Central America..............................................2
Antarctica.................
Alaska
Others (due to vagueness of boundaries)
The total number of crew on VICTOR ONE, as previously mentioned, is
200. With Valiant Thor as Commander, there are four crew members who
serve in the capacity of Vice Commander. These include Donn, Thonn,
Teel and the Medical Officer who is known as "Doc". These commanders
have been chosen to serve until further advised. The rest of the
compliment are those from the home plnaet Venus who have elected to
serve under the direct command of Commander Val Thor. From time to
time, however, there are those from other systems who volunteer to
serve on VICTOR ONE for short periods to time...about three Earth
months. This is done so that those of the crew members who wish to
return home for a time may do so without disrupting the vital
functions of the ship. Remenber, life is not the same on their
planets as it is here on Earth. No person or job is looked upon as
any more or less important than any other person or job.
Cosmic Teachings
Three to five crew members directly assist V.C. Teel in the
preparation and teaching of the various classes conducted aboard
VICTOR ONE. Most of these classes are conducted by her and pertain
directy to the following subject:
A. Earth Sciences
B. Earth people and their habits
C. The fall of mankind and the Salvation of Jesus Christ
D. The psychology of the human being
JW Boy I sure would love to be in some of those classes and bring
along my video camera, but what would I plug into when I need to
recharge my batteries?
Source of Material: Stranger At The Pentagon, by Frank Stranges.
Part 8. Posting Number 11.
John Winston.
How Busy Is Val Thor?
(Sun, 11 Jul 93 07:22:04 PDT)
Subject: How Busy Is Val Thor?
Many of you might like for Val to come by and teach you all he
knows about space and everything but I don't believe that is going
to happen. Here are his words as to why it probably won't happen;..
..Many have requested that I come and lecture, conduct classes,
teach you what I know. This is quite impossible. However, through
Dr. Stranges, a vehicle has been designed to fulfill that request.
It would not be practical for you to expect me to come to teach
you individually or collectively at this time as I must perform the
following tasks in my position:
1. Command the starship as well as VICTOR ONE
2. Head the Venusian Council of Twelve
3. Control certain outposts around this planet
4. Oversee the task forces used to contain radiation around your
cities
5. Make regular journeys to and from the planets
6. Conduct seminars on the Starship for the indoctrination of those
visiting from other star systems
7. Monitor discussion and plans by world leaders
8. Prevent atomic holocaust by exercising certain limits on certain
human agencies
9. Work in full harmony with our Heavenly Creator
Please do remember that there are at this time seven persons, of
various backgrounds and experience on this Earth who have been gifted
with a keen insight regarding matters pertaining to the future of
this planet. It would do you good to listen to these four men and
three women, one of whom is Dr. Frank Stranges. The others will make
themselves known to their groups in their respective parts of the
globe.
JW Well folks that's all for now on this subject.
Source of information: Stranger At The Pentagon, by Frank Stranges,
PHD. I got these postings out of a Web Site that is put together
by a Net friend of mine by the name of Nanook. This is the web
site:
http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/Spirit/JohnWinston/john-winston9.html
The book Stranger At The Pentagon can be obtained by writing for a
free catalog from INNER LIGHT PUBLICATIONS Box 653-Dept. Mew
Brunswick, N.J. 08903.
The End, part 2 of 2.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
Warhead
<john...@mlode.com> writes
>Subject: What's With This Weather? Part 2 of 2. Feb. 10, 1996.
>
>
> The people who believe like Sheldon Nidle, believe that the good
>people are getting better and the bad people are getting worst.
This certainly appears to be the trend, but wether it is to do with
aliens, photon belts or second comings is anybody's guess.
"No proposition is likelier to scandalise our contemporaries than this one:
it is impossible to establish a just social order"
-Bertrand de Jouvenal
Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/
Tim Hill
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> Nixon Meets A Spaceman.
Yes, I remember that. Nixon did not want Perot to go to Hanoi, but after
meeting with him, he gave his reluctant blessing.
--Tim Hill
You will eat, bye and bye,
In the glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die
--Joe Hill "The Preacher and the Slave"
Tim Hill
wrote:
> Subject: My Space Pal Val. Feb. 12, 1994.
>
> Here are some back postings of mine about Valient Thor a person I
> know, through the mail, from Venus.
Wow, and people claim our Postal Service is inefficient.
John F. Winston
In this discussion we will deal with people who were born in the
normal way of Earth but have lived past lives on other planets.
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People who were once space aliens share many of the same
characteristics, says paranormal expert Brad Steiger. Among them
are:
* Unusual sleep patterns. Many reported thriving on very little
sleep. Others said they slept late, or stayed up late, or woke very
early and needed a midday nap.
* Common dreams. People who once lived on other planets often dream
in color, of being in beautiful cities filled with light.
* Sensitivity to light. Many reported they couldn't stay in the sun
too long because their eyes ached or they had headaches. Other said
TV gave them headaches or eyestrain.
* Sensitivity to electromagnetism. People who worked under
fluorescent lights all day reported headaches. Others said they
were uncomfortable if they were too close to overhead power lines
or near a microwave oven.
* Unusual physical characteristics. They have lower-than-normal
blood pressure or body temperature and rare blood types.
* Creativity. People who once were aliens generally like music,
reading, painting and drawing.
* Restlessness. They are discontented with common pastimes such as
watching TV or sports. They often feel they should be elsewhere, or
at least outdoors in the fresh, clean air.
* Sensitivity to humidity. At times of high humidity, they are
irritable, have difficulty breathing, suffer sinusitis, headaches,
earaches or sore throats.
"It's a good bet that if you have a majority of these traits that
you too, could have been an alien living in space in a previous
life," Steiger said.
JW I have met people who have lived past lives on the following
planets; Venus, Arcturus and the Pleiades. I have met a person on
the Net who was a Zeta. Some of the American Indians (The Cherokee
nation) were from the Pleiades. The African people called the
Dogons are from Sirius sometimes called the Dog Star. The Japanese
people trace they ancestors to two people from the Stars. Adam means
red man if I remember right and is symbolical of the Adamic race.
Eve is symbolical of a race of people who were already here on the
Earth and mated with the Adamic race (and the sons of G-- saw the
daughters of men and -----). Jehovah is from Sirius and he was
transferred back there. Lucifer is originally from Orion. The
Chinese people were originally on Orion, then on Mars and some of
them came here. Michael has been around since Whistler was a pup.
Source Of Information: WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, February 13, 1996.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
On the Art Bell radio show and about everyone else's news show,
people were talking about the volcano alert that the National
Geological Survey Group in Menlo Park, Calif has issued. I don't
know all the particulars but it appears that we have been having
about the following number of earth quakes each day; 54, 78, and 40,
in the Mammoth Lakes area, less that 100 miles from me here in Calif.
These quakes measured from 1.2 to 3.5 on the scale. Let's hope the
people will listen to what our people in Menlo Park have to say this
time and not repeat what happened at Mt. St. Helen a few years ago
when some of the people wouldn't leave and were destroyed when the
mountain blew up.
Have a nice day, huh?
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here are the results of a test a person did to find out whether
or not he or she was from another planet in a previous life.
Also I heard on the Art Bell Show last night that as of about
10:00 pm friday, there was a 8.0 earthquake in Indonesia. He said
that this one fitted in well with Scallion's predictions. Now on
to the test results.
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From: D
Subject: Re: How To Tell If You're An Ex-alien.
In this discussion we will deal with people who were born in the
normal way of Earth but have lived past lives on other planets.
People who were once space aliens share many of the same
characteristics, says paranormal expert Brad Steiger. Among them
are:
* Unusual sleep patterns. Many reported thriving on very little
sleep. Others said they slept late, or stayed up late, or woke very
early and needed a midday nap.
Hey, wait a second... I need only a few hours of sleep each
night... I love to get more, but I can live off of about 4 hours a
day of sleep...
* Common dreams. People who once lived on other planets often dream
in color, of being in beautiful cities filled with light.
Ummm... I dream in color... The doctors tell me I can't but I
nevertheless dream in color... prescient dreams and all...
* Sensitivity to light. Many reported they couldn't stay in the sun
too long because their eyes ached or they had headaches. Other said
TV gave them headaches or eyestrain.
Ummm... I can't go outside without sunglasses, even on cloudy
days... My eyes are VERY sensitive to light, but that means that I've
got great night vision!
* Sensitivity to electromagnetism. People who worked under
fluorescent lights all day reported headaches. Others said they
were uncomfortable if they were too close to overhead power lines
or near a microwave oven.
For some reason, portable TVs and radios will go static-y
whenever I'm nearby....
* Unusual physical characteristics. They have lower-than-normal
blood pressure or body temperature and rare blood types.
My body temperature is about 95 degrees or so.. it was about
94.5 when I was younger...
* Creativity. People who once were aliens generally like music,
reading, painting and drawing.
I love reading and drawing, as well as music... I usually go
through about three or four normal-sized novels a week...
* Restlessness. They are discontented with common pastimes such as
watching TV or sports. They often feel they should be elsewhere, or
at least outdoors in the fresh, clean air.
I'm rather surf and collect data, but outside is great at
night, when I don't have to be blinded...
* Sensitivity to humidity. At times of high humidity, they are
irritable, have difficulty breathing, suffer sinusitis, headaches,
earaches or sore throats.
I can't breathe during rainy days, at times...
"It's a good bet that if you have a majority of these traits that
you too, could have been an alien living in space in a previous
life," Steiger said.
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just my luck to get stuck on a backwater planet like this one
(grin)....
D
JW Thanks D. for telling us about that.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here are some questions I got from a person on the Net who I
believe is sincere in the search for truth so I will attempt to
answer the questions as best I can.
John Winston.
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From: V B
Subject: Re: My Space Pal Val.
Dear Mr. Winston,
You wrote,
JW Thanks for the advice. I am very good at taking advice but I
seldom follow it. I go ahead and do what I led to do no matter what
happens to me. I seem to have the ability to get only the good from
people no matter how bad they are. I even at this moment am working
with a present incarnation of Lucifer.
* I am very interested in how you and this incarnation of Lucifer
are getting on. What can you tell me about that?
<JW At the present time a person who is the present incarnation of
Lucifer, sometimes called the Devil, is alive and living in southern
Calif.>
* This is very important stuff other people might gloss over. I am
sorry to be like a pit bull and give you the third degree, and all
that- but this is the big time.
<JW You are very smart in realizing that. At the present time I am
looking at a book written by Lucifer. It is called THE CONFESSIONS
OF I, BONAPARTE. Lucifer goes by many names. I first heard about
him when he was working with the late Ruth Norman and he was called
Vaughn. Now he is called Louis Spiegel. Ruth Norman is a person who
lived in San Diego and El Cajon, Calif. She was a very colorful
character who a lot of people made a lot of fun of. She took herself
very seriously and many times came through as a very foolish person.
She bought some property near San Diego, Calif. and was convinced
that the space people were going to land at a certain time. Not only
were they going to land but they were going to land one on top of the
other, having about 32 of them stacked on top of one another. People
kidded Ruth about this and she finally got a large amount of money
together and bet it with an organization at good odds that the space
people would land on the predicted time. The space people didn't
land and she was left looking like a dope. You don't have to be smart
to be in this business. It may sound like I am giving Ruth a hard
time but I do believe that she did some of the things that she did.
The things that she accomplished sound like the story of Battlestar
Galactica. She is reported to be an person of great power. She,
according to the story written about her, contacted the intelligence
of Lucifer while they were both in another dimension. She showed
Louis Spiegel what he had done in his previous lives, one of which
was Napoleon, and showed him how he could make up for all he had
done. When Ruth and Louis were born in this life, Louis became a
student of Ruth. Most all of Louis' followers in previous lives,
were also contacted and became students of Ruth. They went through
a very complicated procedure of checking out their past lives and
cancelled out the bad things (karma) that they had done in the past.
Lucifer is now working for the forces of light.
More to come later.
Part 1.
Source Of Information: UNARIUS PUBLISHERS, 145 Magnolia Avenue,
El Cajon, CA 92020
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here are some more answers.
John Winston.
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I once worked with an incarnation of Ceasar and he had killed 125
people at one time by the use of an army of elementals who were
messing up our country. He asked me if I would like for him to knock
out some energy that was keeping me from finding some gold and I
said, "Yes go ahead and knock it out." It turned out that the enery
that was keep me from finding the gold was my higher self and he
nearly killed me. So I learn a little from time to time.
* Heh, heh, heh! I learn from the school of hard knocks, too.
I think that the grey aliens I encounter are possibly elementals.
<JW I believe you will find that they are not elementals.
* Last year, I had a ran in with a group that was using elementals
to start fires-specializing in blowing up vehicles and house
trailers by igniting the gas.
Bad news, really. They went after me- I think I just got away by
the skin of my teeth. Only slightly singed around the edges. I'm
still here, at any rate, and not well done.
<JW I have used a few elementals myself to accomplish a certain
task many year ago as well.
* I'm curious, which Caesar was it?
<JW Julius.>
* You don't seem to be very lucky-
< I consider myself to be very lucky but I'm hard-headed and try to
do things my own way.>
* You seem to be a magnet for the bad guys (like myself).
<JW The lower frequency thinking individuals are attracted to the
higher frequency. That's how we have progress.>
* How did you come to be this way?
< I volunteered for this mission. It started many years ago. I
received a feeling that there was something that I needed to find.
I went on a search and found it.>
* How old are you?
< 63 years in this present body. I was born in the normal Earthly
way.>
* How did you get into this line of work?
<JW I am part of a group who volunteered to come from our future and
come back to help out the Earth so that we will not have to go
through as bad of predicted times as are written in certain holy
books.>
* How long have you known what your calling was?
<JW It happened when I was about 30.>
* What do you do for a living?
<JW I am now retired. I have formerly been a Navy Electronic
Technician, electronics teacher, tech rep, junior engineer, and
mostly connected to electronics.
* Boy, I ask a lot of questions for somebody from Auburn.
<JW I have spent a considerable amount of time on the North Fork
of the American River dredging for gold, near Auburn, Calif.>
I'm not on a very personal basis with Harley Byrd and I doubt
if I will be contacting him unless I get the feeling to do so and
then I will definitely do it.
John Winston.
* I am grateful that you have the feeling that your posts are not
lost on me. I have much to learn from you.
<JW I am glad to be of service. You, my friend are one of us.>
* Love,
V
the a
<JW I don't use you real full name because some people find it
enjoyable in making life miserable for people who have anything to
do with me. If that doesn't sound paranoid, I'll eat your hat.>
Part 2 of 2.
JW As Porky the pig once said, "That's all folks."
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here is some E-mail from a person who I have used some of his
material to make posting myself. At the end of this I will give
my advice that I sent to him.
John Winston.
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From: B R H
Subject: It is time
Having received a piece of mail today which cut me to the quick,
I have arrived at the inescapable conclusion which I should have
arrived at long ago.
It is time for density to die.
What is it about us exactly which compels us to engage in the
schizophrenic modality of maintaining various compartmentalized
personas? Why should there be a difference between what is
thought of as public posturing and private, heart-felt genuineness?
Is it our own inability to effectively deal with pain and/or
rejection as true adults?
We so often hide behind great, swelling orations or petty, egoic
bickering or game-playing in what we may perceive to be a defense
of our own truth; our own worldview; our own favorite flavor of
mythology, ideology or ontology; our own "reality" but which, in
fact, is little more than a transparent guarding of our own emotional
fortresses. We so desperately seek to keep others away from the
delicate child within -- the child who, in fact, we really are.
People like John Winston or Glenda Stocks have moved past this
sort of insecurity-based dysfunction long ago yet how have we
treated them for their courageous acts? We have heaped upon them
insults and deprecations; perhaps terrified that others -- or
even ourselves -- will see that which we so desperately attempt
to conceal...the curious and marvelously pure and uncontaminated
little child which lives within each of us.
We guardedly toss out a small portion of ourselves each and every
time we post, yet the more "skilled" amongst us do so in a deceitful
and deliberately vague fashion. If the information is well received,
we can sit back and gloat; musing to ourselves that we are "oh so
clever for having figured this aspect out" yet if the reaction is
negative, we can always jump back and say, "Ah ha! I can't believe
you actually chowed down on that ludicrous troll!," etc.
In either case, though we may perceive ourselves as being a victor
of sorts, what has truly been gained by such childishness? And
perhaps of infinitely more importance, what has been LOST to us ALL?
Indeed, my wife will have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with
"cyberspace" for the simple reason that she perceives the entire
affair to be nothing more than an elaborate hoax -- an electronic
masquerade ball where anonymity somehow dictates that deception,
cruelty and heartlessness are acceptable and even fashionable
"norms."
What we have in this medium is perhaps the last bastion of free
speech; a virtual conference room where some of the best minds on
he planet can meet to share ideas, yet we have turned it into
little more than a carnival of fools. From within the confines of
our own perceived isolation, we sit busily at our workstations --
believers hurling epithets at the "evil debunkers," debunkers
retaliating with personal insults against the "ignorant and gullible"
believers while the class clowns (my preferred defense mechanism)
sit back and chuckle at the ensuing fray.
"Don't sweat it -- it's only 1's and 0's," remarked one founding
member of the original internet cabal. Yet today we witness the
flesh and blood manifestation of this heartless perspective. It
is a lot more than just ones 'n zeros here, folks.
A *LOT* more.
Underneath it all, there are very real people with very real
emotions and very real lives who tap into their keyboards the
various bitstreams which scream down the T1's and comprise the
guts of what we call cyberspace.
Very real people indeed.
With very real lives and very real emotions.
And it is for this reason that Devin has decided it is time
for density to die. Density the clown. Density the mocker.
Density the chameleon.
Density the coward.
If, in my childishness, I have offended any believers, please forgive
me -- it was only motivated by a concern that perhaps we believers
believe too much at times. If, in my childishness, I have offended
any abductees, please forgive me -- you probably have no idea how
much my heart goes out to you folks but I have a great deal of
difficulty in remaining silent when I perceive you innocent people
are being maliciously toyed with by unimaginably clever intelligences.
If, in my childishness, I have offended any debunkers, please forgive
me as I perceive your consensus reality to be rapidly crumbling and
each of you will be required to make your own adjustments in your own
ways.
And to the weary net reader who has waded through my own meaningless
"noise" contributions to the steady stream of 150-200/day aav posts,
I ask your forgiveness for tolerating the imposition.
So flame away if you must but you will receive no response from
density.
It is time for density to die.
JW My advice to this person is the following:
Tis not the time to die my friend, but to rise as the phoenix with
new vigor and a more pointed search for and the promulgation of truth.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Someone just sent me some information from the Cosmic Awareness.
This part will talk about Area 51.
John Winston.
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1993.
U.N. Troops Secretly Poised in Nevada's Area 51
This Awareness indicates that it appears that Area 51 in Nevada is a
place in which UN troops are presently being held. These are mostly
troops of British origin and these troops could be released into the
United States for any emergency requiring U.N. troops, therefore, it
is not seen that the programs spoken of before are dead, but that
they are still potential and may yet be implemented under the new
administration, whether the administration is aware of them at this
time or not.
This Awareness indicates that, in other words, the so-called New
World Order may have reached such a stage of development that its
programs can be implemented without the blessing of the new
administration. This Awareness indicates if there are sufficient
precedents and laws on the books or precedents created to point to,
the new administration may simply be led by advisors and influences
from non-Constitutional sources to believe that there is no choice in
the matter and that the United States is subject to United Nations
rulings and controls.
It would be very easy to surround the president with advisors, who
thus advise the entity into thinking that the New World Order is
already a kind of establishment that has greater control than the
U.S. Constitution. It will depend on how naive or easily misled or
how controlled the president is in his new surroundings.
You Can Help Prevent California Earthquake
This Awareness indicates that It does still, however, foresee the
strong possibility of an earthquake in early May in the vicinity of
Southern California. It will watch this closely during the coming
months, to help break this focus of consciousness that might lead to
such an event, and to keep entities informed on the situation.
This Awareness indicates that much can be done by entities in
meditation, particularly those who look into this area and visualize
greater fluidity and less structure and crystallization of
consciousness in that area. This Awareness indicates that it appears
the general movement of consciousness in the coming year as that
which will be more flexible or relaxed and generally more able to
adjust and be creative, to produce benefits for the masses in a way
that helps to overcome the present economic slump.
IS THE JUST-SPOTTED PLANETOID REALLY NEMESIS?
QUESTION:
Tom N. in California, sent in article from the front page of the Star
Free Press dated September 19, 1992, with the headline, "Ventura High
School Grad Makes Astronomy History With Finding." "If this pans out,
it is absolutely fundamental to our understanding of the solar
system. In some sense, it's almost comparable to finding another
planet," Allen Stern, scientist, said. Briefly, the article says:
"A Ventura High School graduate, Jane Luu, is one of two astronomers
who say they have sighted the most distant object ever found in the
solar system, a reddish comet-like rock orbiting beyond Pluto, about
4 billion miles from the sun. In a telephone interview Friday, from
Hawaii, the 29 year Luu said: "We are very happy. We have been
looking for this for five years. "This discovery could shed light on
how some comets are formed, the nature of Earth's solar system, and
whether other stars in the universe have solar systems like this
one," according to another scientist. "If this pans out, it's
absolutely fundamental to our understanding of the solar system."
The object, about 120 miles across, is probably about a billion
miles further out than the present position of Pluto, says discoverer
Luu who is a researcher for the University of California. He said
they first spotted the object August 10th, using a 7.3 foot diameter
telescope, on the Hawaiian volcanic mountain of Mauna Kea. Luu said
the comet is known as 1992 QB1, a scientific designation referring to
it when it was discovered." The article is a long one, but his
statement is: "Awareness has stated that the Reptoid-filled planetoid
called Nemesis has entered our solar system and is parked behind
Pluto. Awareness has said this planetoid would be visible to the
naked eye during this past summer. I have been waiting to see if any
scientists would make an announcement of a newly discovered object in
our solar system. Lo and behold, this last Saturday, September 19th,
1992, my local newspaper, The Ventura County Star Free Press ran an
article about 2 astronomers. One is a local High School graduate who
made a recent discovery of a comet-like object that is behind Pluto.
They discovered this using a powerful telescope that is located on
Hawaii, on August 30th, 1992, and it is known as 1992 QB1. They are
both very excited about this and say it will have very important
ramifications for our understanding of the birth of comets. The
object is about 120 miles across. I would like to ask Awareness if
this newly discovered object is actually Nemesis, and is this article
then a way of "letting the cat out of the bag," without causing any
global panic about an imminent outer space invasion by flesh-eating
Reptilian aliens, or are these scientists just observing what they
believe is a natural body of our solar system?
JW The answer will be in the next part.
Part 1.
Source of Information: Cosmic Awareness.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
Subject: Information About An Asteroid. Part 2. Feb. 20, 1996.
This is a continuation about the asteroid.
John Winston.
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COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it appears these scientists believe
this is a natural body in the solar system. It appears that the body
is actually closer than they realize, and of a somewhat different
nature than they realize. This Awareness indicates that it is not the
planetoid this Awareness spoke of earlier in referring to that which
would be visible to the naked eye, which is visible in regions nearer
to the Australian and New Zealand locations and that this has just
become visible during the past few months.
This Awareness indicates that the so-called asteroid behind Pluto is
seen as another craft or body being used by aliens in the journey
toward Earth. It is still a great distance away. It is beyond sight
of the naked eye.
This Awareness indicates that there are still opportunities or
potentials for announcements relating to further sightings in the
regions of New Zealand and Australia.
The information may be covered up or withheld in some regions for
some time, but still leak out in other areas or in certain
publications. This Awareness does not see that any particular source
has given information on this up to this time in regard to the
planetoid that made itself visible this summer.
This Awareness indicates that there were earlier references prior to
summer wherein it was seen through telescopes and it did indeed,
during the month of June, come into the range whereby it could be
viewed with the naked eye, but this Awareness does not see that any
further announcements have been made regarding this.
This Awareness suggests entities continue to watch for this
information.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
This asteroid is much larger and is beyond Pluto?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this being the one that had been
mentioned previously as in the direction of Orion which contains
frozen bodies of aliens in a cryogenic state; that this is
considerably larger than has been suggested in the article.
The planetoid mentioned in relation to the New Zealand/ Australia
sighting as that which is more of a command station.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
So this isn't Nemesis, but it does have Reptoids on it. Nemesis also
has Reptoid warriors, does it not?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates the term has been used interchangeably at
different times with different entities to apply to both the command
station and to the planetoid in which the cryogenic army sleeps so
that it is difficult to answer this question as to which is Nemesis,
because of the interchangeable nature of the term, the name.
This Awareness indicates also that it appears certain facts are
often changed and distorted in a kind of misinformation project
relating to these things and that some of the information given in
the article within the question has been distorted to give the
impression of something smaller and much farther away than it
actually is.
This Awareness indicates that the questioner's suggestion that the
information of the article may be designed to defuse or alter the
facts of the incoming object is a very keen observation on his part;
that there is more to this than the article implies. It is closer and
larger and the article is designed to help defuse future discussions
of this craft so that entities can talk about it without disclosing
the true facts surrounding it.
This Awareness indicates that it is possible now for scientists to
speak among themselves regarding this with out having to hide their
conversations, and yet, they are still able to discuss it while
keeping certain information silent and hidden from the public in
regard to its true nature.
JW Bare in mind that this information was given in 1993 and a lot of
things have happened since that time.
Part 2.
Source Of Information: Cosmic Awareness.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
I don't know what has come over me. Normally and even this week a
person asked me a lot of questions and I just referred him to a
web site that has over 400 of my postings put down by a friend of
mine called Nanook. It is called;
http://zeta.cs.adfa.oz.au/Spirit/JohnWinston/john-winston9.html
Now here this next person asked me questions and I answer them. I
don't understand it all. This person requests that I give his/her
full name. I don't usually do that either. I know some of you with
say I should post this to the person by E-mail but maybe some of you
will want to hear some of these things.
John Winston.
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From: Val Bankston <v...@foothill.net>
Subject: Re: IUFO: Answers To A Person.
Dear Mr. Winston,
* I have many responses to your post- well, here goes! Our
interchange with my new comments in context:
--------------------------------living next door to Lucifer. How is
he able to function with that stigma?
JW Lucifer has an entire organization working around him. He sent
me a video that had been made of him by some TV people from Japan.
* Personally, I have no problem with an entity that would be cast out
of heaven for attempting to bring light to the human beings.
JW He was kicked out because he was doing things not according to
the devine plan. He made slaves of his people and ruled with a iron
hand. He wasn't bringing any light to anyone at that time.
* Unfortunately (or fortunately) that was how I came to be
incarnated as a human being myself.
So, now it's better to serve in Heaven than rule in Hell? Ooops! I
just waxed literate, which I am not, so I beg your forgiveness! ;^)
JW Now I will answer the next question that was asked.
She is now dead. She was a nice looking blonde in her younger
years. Towards the end of her life she would dress up in 1950 sort
of evening gowns, run around in older cars with young men running
around to take care of her. She was very loved by her people but
came off looking rather stupid to the average person. A friend of
mine called Don S. once went down to visit her. He corrected her
on a certain point and he was right. She knew he was right but she
turned blue with rage. She then told Don, "You don't correct a
archangel."
* Anyhow, what does Ruth look like? I believe I met her through my
Father in the early to mid Sixties.
JW You may have. Her husband was also a fine person.
* How does Lucifer, aka Louis, serve the forces of light in this
life? I mean, what does he do, specifically?
JW He is attempting to awaken all of his former followers called
Luciferians who were killed when the planet Maldek was destroyed and
most of its inhabitants were then incarnated here on Earth.
* What do you both do together?
JW A while back I hosted a TV show and was going to document his
life but it never came to pass. I have now retired from TV.
* What do you think they (Greys) are? I think they are humans
pretending to be aliens, most likely.
JW There are many kinds and sizes of Greys. The ones who are doing
most of the abducting are from the third planet of the sun called
Zeta Reticuli II. They were helped to make the journey here by some
very highly evolved space people so that they could mate with us
and save their race and come up with a hybid being with the good
traits of both races.
<JW I have used a few elementals myself to accomplish a certain
task many year ago as well.>
* What sort of task, and why use elementals?
JW When I was just getting start in this work, I would call into
the Herb Jepko telephone talk show of Salt Lake City KSL AM Radio.
It at one time reached about 100 stations with about 12.2 million
listeners. One night a lady had heard of me and asked me to contact
her by ESP. It turned out that I was given the use of some
elementals who volunteered to wake her up while she was in bed 1200
miles away. I was able to tell the exact description of the lady
and many things about her. I sent her a message, she received it and
she sent me back a message and I received it.
* How are you helping? Do you work in concert with others on this
plan?
JW I help as best I can Sananda, Ashtar, the Federation and the
Great White Brotherhood.
* Who is Winifred?
JW Winifred is a net friend of mine. She is an interdimensional
traveller. She was in the service in World War II.
* What is it that you hope to effect, concretely?
JW I hope to raise the vibration of the Earth into the next
dimension.
* That is, are you going to be able to help us avert being struck
by an asteroid?
JW I hope to be able to do that, but if it hits I will continue in
another dimension.
* Or stop magnetic shifts?
JW They happen ever so often, have happened in the past and will
probably happen again but I don't know when.
* What's the plan, man! ;^)
JW The plan is to enlighten everyone.
* Where were you working at the time?
JW I was on the sides of an Atlas Missile working as a tech rep at
Vandenberg AFB.
* What were you studying:
JW I was just living, trying to be a christian.
* Who had you met?
JW Sometime later I met a person who became my teacher or GURU.
* You are too young for WWII.
JW I was thirteen years old then.
* How long were you in the Navy?
JW Two years active duty, 3 years inactive.
* What years?
JW Roughly 1950 to 1955.
* Are you interested in this Tesla stuff?
JW Yes I have studied him extensively.
* Do you believe that stuff about the Philadelphia Experiment?
JW Yes I do.
* I knew it, when you mentioned that you were looking for gold! I
am not a great dowser, but I can always find tons of magnetite in
streams with my rods. I'll bet I'd be a good partner to take on a
panning expedition. I'm not interested in finding gold, but I'm also
not interested in money. Still, I always hit the dollar slots when I
go to Vegas and I do real good.
I love to fish.
* Do you still live up around here?
JW Sonora, Calif. at a community called Crystal Falls.
* Maybe we could do a little prospecting and a little fishing...
:^) MMmmmmmmm!
----------------What a compliment- one which I do not feel I
deserve. I am definitely lacking in wisdom and experience that I
detect you roses. Thank you for honoring me this way. I hope I
can live up to it.
* My life is already miserable, so go ahead and use my name. I am
Val the Abductee.
"I Yam what I Yam an that's all that I Yam." - Popeye.
I Yam your friend- and I am neither ashamed nor am I afraid to stand
on that ground. I am more honored than anything.
I stand up for, and stand by my friends with the totality of my self.
If anybody doesn't like you, that's their loss. If they don't like me
because I am your pal, that's two losses for the price of one.
S---- anybody who interferes with the free exchange of ideas and
information in the United States of America.
Anyhow, what people are doing this to your acquaintances?
JW Most people.
* And why?
JW People fear what they don't understand.
* I got more questions, but I gotta bail and lie down for a bit.
I'll be looking forward to reading more of your posts. Keep up the
good work, and "Don't follow leaders- watch your parking meters!" -
Zimmerman
Love,
Val
the abductee
"Meep, meep!" -Roadrunner
> Posted by: v...@foothill.net (Val Bankston)
JW Val is an interesting person.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
CA Part 4.
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FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
The TV tabloid "Hard Copy" reran that bit recently, and I taped it
and it definitely did show an object as described in his letter that
shot off at an angle, and immediately, as it did this, a missile of
some sort was fired and you could track it, and it just missed the
UFO. Could Awareness explain who that was that was firing and what
the nature of the UFO was that they were firing at?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this appears to be related to certain
forces and having to do with the interference with the launch which
included certain military concerns. It appears the launch of the
satellite carried some military experiments along with the astronauts
and that these were being monitored by those who are referred to as
the Greys, because the military payload had some connection with the
Star Wars program, which is really designed for the defense against
alien invasion as its true purpose, and the Greys sought to interfere
with the launch while certain military forces sought to protect the
launch, and thus, the confrontation and missile firing which helped
to ward off the interference while the launch was put into orbit.
This Awareness indicates there appears to be more information
surrounding this but the information does not come clear at this time
and therefore, to say more would be reaching. It is likened unto
reaching into fog trying to grasp something tangible. The energies
are not tangible and clear on this to make any further statements
will be risking error.
CAN REPTOIDS TIME-TRAVEL AND ALTER HISTORY?
QUESTION:
A question from J.K., Hartford, Connecticut: "Is it possible for the
Greys and Reptoids to travel back through time and manipulate events
at key points or junctures in time or is the past in some way not
easily altered?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that there appears to be a certain set of
principles in regard to time-travel that allows for some alteration
of the past to occur by time travelers from the future moving back
into those energies of the past; however, it appears that these
conditions allow only minor alterations which cannot affect
historically the line of history in a sense that it moves or changes
societies. It appears it can only alter in minor ways, perhaps the
lives of certain individuals, so long as those individual lives are
not key to the historical direction of the culture.
This Awareness indicates that normally, the manipulation of the
future by traveling back in time is not effective except in very
limited and minor ways. It can be affected to change things for
individuals when those changes do not affect the historical culture
or the direction of a culture.
This Awareness indicates it is not so much that there is some kind of
physical or natural law guiding this, or enforcing this as a
principle, it is more that the energies involved would be too great
to move by an entity moving back in time. That even using the Law of
Leverage, wherein an entity affects time at a crucial moment, giving
energy so that he or she could turn history by a word or two this
does not appear to be as easily done as it might seem, if history had
not already been written.
One can, in present time, with a word or two, alter the direction of
energies to create a new direction for the future, but if that
history line has already been written, to go back and change by
adding a word here or there at critical times requires much greater
amounts of energy to undo the already written history, than it would,
had there been no history written at all.
QUESTION:
Another question by J.K. "Does Awareness ever tune into the
technology of the aliens to see which way energies and consciousness
seem to be moving?
For example, the foreseen Spring 1993 California earthquake. Do the
Greys have this already recorded and seen as done, as history,
somewhere aboard a ship's computer, or would this be like tuning in
to a frequency of a low vibration that does not encompass higher and
more universal purposes? Can this ever be useful? I find the idea of
this type of time travel fascinating."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that the concept of creating a fixed future
based on plans that are set in motion as that which has a certain
limitation. One can create a plan and put the plan in motion and the
energies in motion carry momentum, which help to bring about the
outcome based on that plan, but to think of this as already having
occurred because of some preordained fate is incorrect.
Even if the plan had been well thought out and well energized and put
into motion, it is still possible for events, energies and other
plans in the future to be brought to bear as influences on those
original plans and energies and to defuse or deflect or alter the
planned outcome. This Awareness indicates in other words, the future
is not fixed.
The future may be influenced by plans and energies, but it is not
absolute, for if there is any possibility of new energies being
brought to bare, then these plans can be altered. This Awareness
indicates this relates to the Law of Momentum; the Law of Inertia,
where energy is in movement, it continues to stay in movement, even
if it is a plan being promoted, until some other energy comes to
bare to deflect, to alter that movement. It is related to the
Newtonian Law of Inertia.
CA Part 4.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
CA part 3.
Here is Cosmic Awareness' opinion on this subject.
John Winston.
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U.S. OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZES UFOs ARE REAL
(April 20,1992 Now a Historical Date)
QUESTION:
In June, Tom N. sent in a three minute tape along with this note: "I
wouldn't have believed it until I heard it myself. On April 20th,
1992, on the NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, a segment was
broadcast which discussed the "skyquake" phenomenon. NBC states as
fact that the skyquakes, recently experienced in Southern California,
and reported on local news media, are caused by the Black Project
plane Aurora, which replaces the SR-71 Blackbird. This alone is
remarkable, as NBC is owned by General Electric and G.E. is involved
in many super-secret government projects. NBC then reports on their
attempt to film Aurora at Groom Lake on early Thursday morning when
the skyquakes have happened previously. They don't film the Aurora,
but something that "defies the laws of physics and is like a flying
saucer." NBC stated this on a national Network News. I consider this
the first official establishment recognition that flying saucers are
real and this date is therefore an historical date: April 20th,
1992."
Would Awareness comment on that?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is indeed significant and that it
is as close to an official acknowledgment as has ever been given up
to this time, that UFOs or flying saucers are real. This Awareness
indicates that as it is referring to the area of Groom Lake or Area
51, the reference is also confirmation of information given by Bob
Lazar and others regarding the experiments and testing that has gone
on in this area.
This Awareness indicates that it appears to be quite significant that
this would be announced on television and suggests that there is
perhaps a gradual turning toward more release of information in this
field of secrecy or that has in the past been considered as high
priority secrecy.
UFO DOG FIGHT RELEASED ON TV
QUESTION:
In a related manner, G.M. in New Jersey, on June 8th, writes: "On
June 5th the TV program 'Hard Copy' broadcast a just-released NASA
footage taken by an astronaut on the last shuttle mission of a UFO.
From the shuttle window, the UFO moved at a sharp 90 degree angle,
and accelerated away from the Earth. While it was leaving, what
looked like an energy beam was obviously directed at the craft's
just left position. The beam came from the ground.
The TV analysis left do doubt it was an alien craft and that it was
attacked. Which aliens piloted the fleeing ship? Was the attack
Earth/USA originated, or from aliens on the Earth? That this was
released by NASA indicates, I believe, that we are very near the
long-expected revelation of aliens by the government."
Can Awareness comment and add details?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it appears the secrecy surrounding UFOs
is becoming more fragile and that the release of information is
becoming imminent. It is only a matter of time. This Awareness
indicates that these events or incidents are not by accident or
without planning. It was intentionally offered and it appears that
gradual continued release of similar type in regard to UFO
information can be expected from time to time during the future until
a clear statement is given regarding these craft and their purposes
on Earth.
This Awareness indicates that It sees this as coming when it will be
to the greatest advantage of those presenting such information. This
Awareness indicates that It sees such a time as possibly occurring
before the elections, or if not at that time, prior to June of '93;
that there could be other delays before such information is released.
It does not appear that any absolute release date has been chosen for
the disclosure of UFO presence on Earth but it does appear that there
has been a realization that information should be released to the
public under certain conditions, when proper.
This Awareness suggests that it may still be deemed proper to release
the information prior to election as the "October Surprise" that Bush
has alluded to in the past; that it will be implemented only if Bush
and his associates feel that such a release of information would help
his reelection.
JW I personally doubt if the US government has recognized UFOs, but
then I am skeptical.
CA Part 3.
John Winston. John...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here is some information I got off the Net. I will put down some
of my opinions about the different groups with which I have had some
dealings.
John Winston.
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=== UFO Organizations
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Throughout the world there are many civilian organizations which
either have the study of UFOs or extraterrestrials as their main
object of interest or include them as part of a wider remit. Each
organization has a different view of the subject ranging from the
basically scientific to, in some cases, the frankly nutty.
This list is not exhaustive, but is fairly extensive. The names of
the officers and subscription rates of organizations may change and,
unless the editor is informed, the updated information may not be
available here. This is, of course, not the only list of
organizations produced in the world. Readers are urged to consult
other lists as well such as the excellent list of UFO organizations
produced by John A. Hayes for UFOnet.
11.00: Aerial Phenomenon Research: The Indiana Group
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18 Davis Drive Mt. Vernon, Indiana 47620
Francis L. Ridge (Director)
812-838-3120 / 812-838-9843
Publishers of : Indiana UFO Newsletter
Founded in 1986
A statewide organization which attempts to immediately respond to UFO
sightings
11.01: The Aetherius Society
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6202 Afton Place Hollywood,
California 90028-8298
Detroit Branch
17670 West 12 Mile Road
Southfield, Michigan 48076
313-552-9153 / 313-552-9159
Reverend Lesley Young
(General Committeee) : 213~65-9652/ 213~67-HEAL (4325)
Publishers of : The Aetherius Society Journal : Cosmic Voice
Founded in 1960
The Hollywood, California office is the American headquarters for
The Society which was founded in England in 1955. In the US, the
Society was incorporated in 1960 as a non-profit religious,
scientific, and educational organization.
The Society is a metaphysical, channeling organization whose
founder/president, Sir George King, is a Western Master of Yoga and
who has been in contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligences for over
35 years. He acts as a channel for the dissemination of Higher Wisdom
from These Sources.
The Society's objective is to explain the presence of UFOs around the
Earth and to make known knowledge given to their president by
Advanced Beings who reside in this Solar System. This information
is disseminated through books, pamphlets, cassettes and albums and two
newsletters, "The Aetherius Society Journal" and "Cosmic Voice".
Also, study courses in: "Metaphysical and Occult Sciences" and
"Cosmic Revelations" to further spread the word and to explain the
cosmic significance of messages received from the Advanced Beings.
Regular meetings at the U.S. and England headquarters as well as by
associated branches throughout the world.
Prayer Circles are organized during a Spiritual Push (or
Magnetization Period) at different holy mountain sites, when the
giant Interplanetary Spacecraft is brought into Earth's orbit by a
Cosmic Master. Helpers who attend these Power Circles send out the
Spiritual energies from this Cosmic Master to help mankind.
JW George King is about the most kind, sincere person you will ever
want to meet but when you get him teamed up with a few people from
Calif. and they try to make a movie showing what they do, it comes
out pretty funny.
These people may shock you a little when you go to one of their
meetings but they are good people.
11.02: Ancient Astronaut Society
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1921 St. Johns Avenue
Highland Park, Illinois 60035-3105
Gene M. Phillips (Founder) :708-295-8899
Publication is Ancient Skies
Founded in 1973. non-profit, tac-exempt organization operated for
scientific, literary and educational purposes. The primary objectives
of the Society are to search for evidence of whether Earth was
visited in the remote past by intelligent beings from outer space and
to determine whether a highly developed, technological civilization
existed on Earth before our recorded history.
The Society also provides complete study courses in: "Metaphysical
and Occult Sciences" and "Cosmic Revelations" to explain the cosmic
significance of messages received from Advanced Beings.
11.03: Ancient Truth Research Foundation
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6146 Eleanor Avenue #205 Los Angeles, California 90~036
Albert Rainey
213'464-5948
Publication is Cosmic Current News
Interested in many New Age topics, including UFOs.
11.04: The Awareness Reserch Foundation, Inc.
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DeSoto Square No. 29, 35 Ritter Road
Hayesville, North Carolina 28904
Helen I. Hoag (Executive Director)
704-389-8672
New Age organization with many interests, including UFOs;
investigates various metaphysical activities and issues findings
through publication of various books.
11.05: Borderland Sciences Research Foundation (BSRF)
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P.O. Box 429
Garberville, California 9544429 (First of all, that is too many
numbers in the zip code.)
Contact : Tom Brown
Telephone Number : 707-986-7211
Publication is : Journal of Borderland Research
Founded in: 1945
Functions as clearinghouse, specializing in rare and unusual
information. BSRF is an alternative scientific movement which deals
with a variety of borderland subjects, including UFOs; a non-profit
organization; its members are people who take an active interest
in observing the physical, mental, and spiritual environment. In
addition BSRF studies: Light & Color affects on people, Radionics,
Dowsing, Free Energy, Orgone Energy, Hollow Earth Mysteries,
Anomalies, Fortean Phenomena, Hypnosis, Photography of the Invisible,
etc. and offers a catalog of available books, reports, and tapes.
JW These people used to be a bunch of wild and crazy guys, as Rich
Little would say, just the kind of people I get along with. I
believe their founder was called Mr. R. Crab. They talk about
measuring a person's spiritual wings and other things. They do have
a pamplet called Rainbox City that talks about some people going
into a city at the south pole. It is a classic and I highly
recommend it.
11.06: BRITISH UFO RESEARCH ASSOCIATION (BUFORA)
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of eight regional UK UFO groups. These included the London UFO
Research Organisation (LUFORO, founded in 1959) the largest UK group
at the time and the British Flying Saucer Bureau (BFSB, founded in
1952) which was the oldest UK group.
BUFORA publishes six issues per year of the A4 magazine UFO TIMES.
Current annual membership subscription is -- pounds sterling.
Approx membership 500. Current senior officers include Stephen
Gamble (Director of Research) and John Spencer (Chairman).
Contact address : BM BUFORA, London, WC1N 3XX
11.07: California UFO
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1800 South Robertson Blvd
Box 355
Los Angeles, California 90035
Vicki Cooper (Editor); Don Ecker (Researcher)
Telephone Numbers : 213-273-9409 /818-951-1250
Publication : UFO
Publishes the bi-monthly UFO" magazine. Additionally, this
organization sponsors annual conferences which concentrate on a
variety of UFO-related subjects.
11.08: Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS)
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P.O. Box 218 c/o Mr. Lawrence Fawcett
Coventry, Cormecticut 06238 [or] 471 Goose Lane
Peter Gersten (Director) Coventry, Connecticut 06238
Lawrence Fawcett (Asst Director & Publisher)
Barry Greenwood (Research Director & Editor)
P.O.Box 176, Stoneham, MASS, 02180, USA
Publication is : Just Cause
Founded in : 1978
A non-profit organization to uncover all existing documentation
relating to governrnent involvement in UFO investigations and
research. To accomplish this, CAUS files numerous Freedom of
Inforrnation Act (FOIA) lawsuits in an attempt to get the governrnent
to release relevant documents. Their "Just Cause" quarterly
newsletter carries events and provides updated UFO news from around
the world. They published a book too -- "Clear Intent"
JW This is a good, dedication group of people. It was suggested to
me that I should submit some of my experiences to them and have
them write them up but I never got around to it.
11.09: Committee for the Scientific Investigation of
Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP)
----------------------------------------------------
Refer to: The Skeptical Inquirer
P.O. Box 229
Buffalo, New York 14215{)229
Paul Kurtz (Chairman - Skeptical Inquirer)
Philip J. Klass (UFO Subcommittee)
Lynda Harwood (Public Relations)
716-834-3222
716-834-0841
"The Skeptical Inquirer" is a non-profit, tax-exempt organization.
CSICOP is headed by Paul Kurtz and investigates claims of the
Paranorrnal, including UFOs and UFO-related activity.The committee's
investigations, findings, commentaries, etc. are published in "The
Skeptical Inquirer.
JW Most skeptics like this material.
11.10: COMPUTER UFO NETWORK (CUFON)
-----------------------------------
Bulletin Board system run by UFO Reporting and Information Service.
Date of formation not known. Information director : Dale Goudie,
SYSOP: Jim Klotz. Based Seattle, Washington, USA. Board number
+1 206 776 0382, parameters 300/1200/2400 bps 8 bit no parity 1 stop
bit.
11.11: Contactee
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P.O. Box 12
New Milford, New Jersey 07646
Ellen Crystall (Director)
Studies UFOs by direct observation; quarterly newsletter,
"Contactee" details activities.Tne primary goal of Contactee is to
educate about world-wide contacts being made with UFOs and to
disseminate information to all interested parties.
Contactee also sells books and sponsors various conferences.
Regular Member (those who claim to have had alien contact) and
Auxiliary Member (those who do not claim UFO contact)
membership fee is $---- per year and includes the newsletter.
Contactee accepts articles for its newsletter.
Part 1.
Source of Information: Steve G.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here we have some more UFO study groups with some of my comments
about them.
John Winston.
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11.12: Cosmic Awareness Communications
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P.O. Box 115
Olympia, Washington 98507
Vikki T. (Correspondence Secretary)
Publication is : Reveltions of Awareness
A tax-exempt organization.
Studies New Age subjects, including UFOs. This group is centered
around the "channelings" of a "Force" which refers to itself as
"Cosmic Awareness". CA believes that this "Force" has expressed
itself through selected people in history including Jesus, the
Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, and Edgar Cayce, among others.
Publication, "Revelations of Awareness, has published over 300
editions and details various New Age subjects. Subscribers receive
a catalog listing all available back issues and subjects covered.
Membership is $----- per year.
Will accept memberships for three month periods ($---- per month),
prepaid.
Individual/Family $ ----/ month or $-----/ year New Age-related
(including UFOs) books and tapes available.
JW I love these people and especially Alex. It seems that the
Cosmic Awareness is sort of Spiritual Henny Penny who was always
saying, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling." It seems CA is
telling us about some reptoid who is going to get us or some
astreroid headed our way.
There is never a dull moment with these people around because they
are usually trying to save us from something everyday. The strange
thing about all of it is that I believe most of the information they
put out so Lordy Mercy help us.
11.13: CSETI
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Dr. Steven Greer 704-274-5671
Asheville,N.C.
11.14: Delval UFO, Inc.
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948 Almshouse Road
Ivyland, Pennsylvania 18974
Anthony Volpe (President)
215-357-2909
Publication is the Awakening; the group was founded in 1973.
A channeling, contactee UFO organization, founded in 1973.their
publication "Awakening", is offered nine 9 times a year; they sell
UFO-related books and tapes.
11.15: The Fair Witness Project, Inc.
-------------------------------------
Parent Organization: William L. Moore Publications & Research
4219 West Olive Avenue Suite #247
Burbank, California 91505
213-463-0542
Publication is : Focus
A non-profit corporation whose income is used to fund the research
efforts of qualified persons selected by the Directors of the Fair
Witness Project.
They accept donations and will send an acknowledgement of that
donation for tax purposes.
11.16: The Federation
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The Federation is a group of people who feel it is high time we got
off this rock and started exploring the great unknown of space. The
Federation has drawn out in blue print form a drive system that is a
super semi conducting crystaline structure. To get more information
on the Federation send a 3.5 floppy and they will place an info
packet on it and send it back to you. You must have a mac that has
5.0 microsoftword or better. Send to this adrress:
The Federation
C/O Lady Rhavyn
PO Box 231772
Anchorage, Alaska
99523-1772
If you have any questions feel free to send to this account.
AS...@ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU
JW Lady Rhayyn is the person who I refer to as Lady R. She is one
of my all time favorite people. A true pagan in the finest way
possible. She visits me by remote viewing and tells me by E-mail
what I am doing. I know everything about her.
11.17: Flying Saucer Information Center
---------------------------------------
7803 Ruanne Court
Pasadena, Maryland 21122
James H. Wales : Update
Founded in 1954
Acts as a clearing house for the distribution of UFO information to
the general public. Laura Mundo began this organization in 1954.
Group feels the Earth is in danger due to upcoming radical changes in
the atmosphere (sunspot activity) and Space Beings are here to help.
They will be able to either solve the problem or take selected Earth
people to safe locations (inside their insulated spaceships) until
the atmospheric activity calms down. When humans return to Earth
after surviving the atmospheric instability, they will begin the
Universal Way of Life, which is a standard way of life on other
planets. Also believe Space People living on Earth today are to here
to monitor us and help.
11.18: FORTEAN RESEARCH CENTER (FRC)
------------------------------------
This was founded in 1982 by Ray Boeche and deals with all aspects of
Fortean Phenomena. The current Director is Scott Colbourn. The
contact address for the Center is P.O.Box 94627, Lincoln, Nebraska,
68509, USA. The Center runs a Bulletin Board on +1 402 488 2587.
JW Charles Fort was a person who lived many years ago. He made note
of all sorts of things that fall from the sky (including fish, frogs
and especially periwinkles). I like anything that was written by
him.
11.19: FUND FOR UFO RESEARCH (FUFOR)
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[Duplicated entry - see 11.20 SG]
11.20: The Fund for UFO Research, Inc.
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P.O. Box 277
Mt. Rainier, Maryland 20712
Bruce Maccabee, PhD (Chairman)
Publication is: Quarterly Report
Founded in 1979
2000 Members
A non-profit, tax-exempt organization based in Washington, D.. whose
mission is to provide grants for scientific research and public
education projects dealing with the UFO phenomenon. Since 1979 has
raised more than $---------- from more than 2000 contributors. Also
sponsors and awards the annual Donald E. Keyhoe Journalism Award."
The Fund sponsors such projects the release of U.S. Government
documents concerning UFOs under the Freedom of Information Act,
computer-aided analysis of UFO photographs, research into major UFO
sightings around the world, research into "Operation Majestic 12",
psychological testing of people who reported being abducted by
apparent aliens, international symposiums and conducts interviews and
lectures.
The Fund takes the position that many reported UFOs cannot be
identified as conventional aerial vehicles or phenomena. Thus, UFO
reports are potentially of enormous significance and merit serious
scientific research.
11.21: Gulf Breeze Skywatch
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904-433-2737 (Bruce and Ann Morrison)
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Part 2.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here is some clarification about something that I had posted.
John Winston.
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From: Thomas Brown <tam...@ak.planet.gen.nz>
Subject: Borderlands
Hi John,
I got a "UFO Study Group" message you posted, forwarded to me by
Patrick Baily P...@padrak.com
Concerning Borderland Sciences Research Foundation: It was founded by
Meade Layne in 1945. Riley Crabb took over in 1959. I took it over
from him in 1985. Michael Theroux, the present director, took over
from me in 1995. Over 50 years of continuous publication.
Current address is: P.O. Box 220, Bayside, California 95524 (get
their current catalog & get on the mailing list)
Phone: 707-825-7733
email: bs...@asis.com
Web page: http://www.asis.com/bsrf/main.html
BSRF's general view on UFOs is best laid out in detail in "The
Cosmic Pulse of Life" by Trevor Constable, BSRF 1991. Lots of Riley
Crabb lectures and Meade Layne's writings on UFOs are published in
various pamphlets. The "Rainbow City" story was published as "The
Hefferlin Manuscripts" pts 1 & 2, currently out of print I think,
but hopefully soon to incarnate in a book of Hollow Earth files.
Regards,
Tom Brown
cc: Patrick Baily P...@padrak.com
John Winston john...@mlode.com
Subject: Conversation With A Friend. Feb. 23, 1996.
On wednesday night I was in a meeting with some people when I
got into a conversation with a person who has become a close friend
of mine. I drew him away from the rest of the people because I
knew that they wouldn't appreciate hearing what I had to say to him.
I asked if he had ever heard of a person who had the ability to heal
teeth. He then got very excited and said, "My father used to be able
to do that. My father was a very spiritually minded person and got
to where he could just point his fingers towards a person and say a
few words and the person would be healed." On an other occasion he
was talking with a couple of people and the conversation got around
to the fact a one of the people he was talking to had green eyes and
they came to the conclusion that he would look better with brown
eyes, then his father pointed to the person while this man and
another person were watching and said something like, "You now have
brown eyes." The person's eye color then changed from green to
brown while they all watched. His father also healed people's
teeth on one occasion he healed a person's tooth and it was filled
with a gold.
I then asked if his father was still alive and he said that he
wasn't. I then told him that I had been trying to find a person
called Rev. Fuller, who can fill teeth because I need to have some
dental work done.
It was a little a little like Jack and Jill who fell down the
Hill. Jack fell down and broke his crown, and that's too bad to see
a person need all that dental work.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Here are some more theories as to where and what the UFOs are
all about.
John Winston.
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6.04:US Government Official Studies
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On Sep 30, 1947 Lt General Twining of ACM expressed his opinion that
there was sufficient substance in reports to warrant a study on UFOs.
On Dec. 23, 1947 Project Sign was established to collect, collate,
evaluate, and disseminate all information concerning UFO sightings
and phenomena.
Project Sign completed it evaluations in Feb of 1949 and concluded
"No definite and conclusive evidence is yet available that would
prove or disprove the existence of these UFOs as real aircraft of
unknown and unconventional configuration." Project Sign was changed
to Project Grudge on Dec.16, 1948. Project Grudge recommended that
the investigation and study of UFO reports be reduce in scope. In
early 1950 UFO reports by the public increased. This prompted
Project Grudge to be changed to Project Blue Book in March of 1952.
Project Blue Book goals were :-
1: To find an explanation for all the reported sighting of
UFO's.
2: To determine if the UFO posed any security threat to the
United States.
3: To determine if UFO's exhibit any advanced technology
which the U.S. could utilize.
In 1966 the USAF commisioned a report on UFOs from the University of
Colorado. This project was headed by Dr Edward Condon. Condon was
a well respected physicist who gather a panel of experts from a
variety of fields to assist him. They reported in 1969, the report
being referred to as the Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying
Objects, also known as the Condon Report. They concluded:-
1: There is no evidence that any UFOs are "extraterrestrial
vehicles"
2: No UFO has ever given any indication of a threat to the
national security.
3: There is no evidence that UFO's represent technological
developments or principals beyond present-day scientific
knowledge.
As a result the USAF closed down Project Bluebook. Although it has
been suggested on many occasions that some members of the panel had
deceided the conclusions of the study before the work started there
is evidence that at least Condon took the task seriously. He appears
to have joined a number of different civilian UFO research groups,
including the British UFO Research Association, around the world.
Main Source:
Project Blue Book: The Top Secret UFO Findings Revealed,
By Brad Steiger, 1976
shea...@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
JW Mr. Sheaffer and I have worked together on a TV show to inform
the public how some psychics dupe the public. On that matter we
agree but we have agreeded to disagree about UFOs. I respect him for
what he is attempting to do. In my opinion all of test Projects
such as Blue Book were coverups. Our government was working with
the Greys at Area 51 all the time they were spending the money trying
to prove to the public that they were investigating UFOs. Of course
me thinking that sure does make a lot of difference. That and $1.00
will buy your a cup of coffee in most places.
BUFORA Journal, Summer 1974
6.05: Roswell Crash Incident
----------------------
On the night of 2nd July 1947, Mac Brazel a rancher from near Corona,
New Mexico heard a loud crash. The next day he went out Horseback
riding with a neighbour and came upon a field with debris scattered
about. The debris field was 3/4 of a mile long and 300 feet wide. It
was oriented in a northwest to southeast direction. There was a
gouge in the northwest side of the debris field that was 500 feet
long and 10 feet wide. The debris on the field mostly consisted of
I-beams and parchment like, paper thin pieces of metal material. The
material was very light in weight, a dull gray in color, and most
pieces were 6 to 7 inches in length. Some pieces that were even
thinner than paper could not be broken in half, cut or burnt.
Mac Brazel collected several pieces of the debris and went back to
his ranch. On July 6, Brazel went into Roswell to report what he
had seen and to show a piece of the debris to sheriff Wilcox. The
sheriff decided to call the local air base. During this time Frank
Joyce called in from the local radio station to see if anything
newsworthy was happening around town. Brazel gave him the information
about what he had found.
Major Jesse A. Marcel and a few other military personal arrived from
the base only a few minutes after the sheriff had finished talking
to the people at the base. Brazel and the military personal left and
went back to the Ranch. The next morning (July 7) they went to the
crash sight. The military retrieved some of the debris and returned
to Roswell.
On July 8, the military came back and sealed off the area, They took
Brazel into custody. That same day they found a second crash site
two and 1/2 miles southeast of the first. Barney Barnett and 4
archaeologists had stumbled onto the new site a few minutes before
the military had arrived there. At the site they found a "pretty
good sized metallic dull gray object" and 4 small alien bodies. They
were 4 to 5 feet tall, with large pear shaped heads, small bodies
and skinny arms and legs. They had two large eyes, no ears and no
hair. Their skin was pinkish grey and leathery. They were wearing a
one piece grey suits. The civilians were escorted out of the area
when the military arrived.
On July 9th the military escorted Brazel to the radio station , there
he told Frank Joyce that he saw a weather balloon. He left again with
the military and didn't get back to his ranch until around July 15.
Later when asked about what had happened Brazel said he had given a
oath and could not talk about it.
The Incident remained closed and the public and UFO research
organizations at large accepted the weather balloon story until 1970
when Jesse A. Marcel broke the silence and told his part in the
story.
The case has been extensively researched by Stanton Friedman and
independantly by the team of Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt. Between
them they have discovered around 200 witnesses who claim to have been
involved in the recovery or subsequent handling of the Roswell
material. Researcher John Keel has suggested that the Roswell
material might be the remains of a Japanesse Feugo balloon, a
balloon with a bomb attached launched towards the USA during World
War 2.
JW I beg to differ.
These were still being discovered in remote parts of the USA in
the late 1940s. In 1994 at the request of US Senator Steven Schiff
the General Audit Office started an enquiry into the incident and
subsequent cover-up. The GAO required the US Air Force to reopen
the enquiry. After a nine month study the Air Force announced that
the Roswell object had not been a weather balloon but a balloon
involved in a top secret project to study Soviet missile launches.
JW I doubt that.
Many UFO investigators remain unconvinced by this explanation.
Main source: UFO Crash at Roswell by Kevin D. Randle & Donald R.
Schmitt
Published 1991 by Avon Books
=== UFO Movies, Documentaries and TV Programs
JW I went to Roswell personally and talked with the information
officier who was on duty when all of this happened. He has been
steadfast in telling the world that this really happened for over
50 years and I believe him.
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= 7.00: TV Programs
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7.01: E. T. Monitor (the Keystone Inspirational Network)
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- A program that originates from Pennsylvania, it has a
pre-recorded and a live section. The person who runs it sells packets
of books by mail-order. He likes to think that he is presenting
irrefutable proof not only of the existence of UFOs but also of the
Government's Conspiracy to keep them secret and frequently features
people like Randall Terry.
Main Source: COS...@YALEVM.BITNET
JW Sounds like my old TV show that I retired from.
7.02: Hard Copy (??)
--------------------
- Belgian UFO's, 1990
- more European
JW They do good work.
7.03: Intruders
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- CBS miniseries June? 1992,
Based off Budd Hopkins book Intruders
JW I have confidence in Budd Hopkins.
7.04: National Geographic (PBS)
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- English Crop Circles, 1991
7.05: sightings (FOX)
---------------------
- Crop circles 1992
- Mexico video Sightings, Sept 11, 1992
- NASA Shuttle UFO/(debated Ice chunk), July? 1992
JW I watch Sightings every chance I get. It seems they repeat
the same things that I post to the Net.
7.06: UFO Incident, The
-----------------------
- NBC Oct 20, 1975,
- the Betty Hill abduction story Based on the book "Interrupted
Journey: Two lost hours aboard a flying saucer" by John Fuller
JW I believer the Betty and Barney Hill case really happened.
Part 2.
John Winston. johnfwinston@mlodecom
Avoid normal situations.
: Subject: U.S. OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZES UFOs ARE REAL.
Subject: alt.flame officially recognizes John F. Winston as a kook.
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"Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance."
-- Sam Brown, The Washington Post, 26 January 1977
[begin civil-disobedience portion of .sig]
Now that President Clinton has signed the Communications Decency Act into
law, it may be illegal to use the words shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock-
sucker, motherfucker, and tits in one's net.writings. Ergo, every effort
has been made to avoid the use of the words shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock-
sucker, motherfucker, and tits in this posting.
John F. Winston
In this little chat I will purposely say a few things in a hidden
sort of way so that I won't offend certain people, so here we go.
Last thursday I was talking with a person who suffers from the same
disease that the lady has who set 4 olympic record in running. Let's
call it A. He said that when he first had it the doctors had said
that he was bordering on having disease 2 which we will call E. I
proceeded to tell him the following story;
A few years ago when I was living in Milpitas, Calif. I would go
over to San Jose, Calif. to get my hair cut. My barber knew that I
investigated weird things so he would always want me to tell him
some crazy, unusual thing that I was presently checking out. He
wouldn't leave me alone till I told him something new. After telling
him one then he told me the following story;
A while back there used to be a person who would come into my
barber shop who was really in bad shape. He was in a wheel chair
with a tube in his nose going down to an oxygen talk so that he
could breath. He had the disease called E. His condition was the
same for years and then one day he came in and was OK, no tanks,
no wheel chair. He was normal and walking around.
He said that he had been listening to Dr. Dean Edel, who is a
telephone talk radio communicaster and the doctor told about another
doctor who was doing a certain operation that would correct the
diseases called A and E. He then proceed down to Los Angeles,
Calif., had the operation and now is OK.
The barber then gave me the name of the doctor and I can't
remember the name so far. I did a little investigation of this
person and obtained his information. The operation's technical name
is Carotid Artery Bilateral Resection. The carotid artery is an
artery going to the brain. It can be felt when you check your pulse
on the side of your neck. There is a very small gland on your artery
and if it is cut off then you will no longer have any problem with
the diseases A and E. People come in there and have this done and
they can in less that a few hours get up and start walking around.
Within a short time they are normal.
This operation was originally brought out by the Japanese. One
would think that this sort of things would be accepted by people
with open arms but they are harassing this doctor like he was some
sort of criminal. He has to be very careful to not get thrown in
jail. The operation is very expensive and it was about $6,000 at
the time I heard of it, but in some cases it can be charged to your
insurance.
The person I was explaining this to asked for the name of this
doctor who was doing the operation. I will attempt to find it and
get back to him.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
1996.
In one of my last postings I mentioned a person by the name
of Charles Fort who recorded all sorts of things that fell from
the sky. In this postings from the Cosmic Awareness it mentioned
a Roman Soldier falling from the sky that Charles Fort mentioned
in his reports but first we will talk about Walter Cronkite, a person
I admire on TV news reporting.
John Winston.
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1993.
WALTER CRONKITE'S ABDUCTION EXPERIENCE
(Did He Override His Implant?)
QUESTION:
J.G. sent in a question and a reprint of a story that appeared in
"Confidential Reporter," December, 1991 which I'll read some of and
then ask his questions. It's titled: "Walter Cronkite's Close
Encounter."
"Walter Cronkite, grand old man of the evening news and long time
anchorman for CBS news, now finds himself in the news, much against
his will. Close friends of Cronkite admit that he has become a member
of the space age with a bang! Walter, they say, has had a close
encounter of the third kind, that is, face to face with aliens.
Walter told close friends that he was seated on his veranda with an
aperitif, waiting for dinner. Suddenly the house and grounds were
severely shaken. Cronkite felt himself passing out, and thought he
was having a heart attack. Here's how the veteran newsman described
the event to a close friend. "I came to," he says, "stretched out
on something like an examination table, in a round, metallic room,
perhaps 20 feet across. I tried to move, but was unable to. Several
beings surrounded me -- humanoid, I would say, but fuzzy, indistinct.
They seemed to be fading in and out. I couldn't see them clearly. It
wasn't my vision, because everything else was clear. I was mainly
conscious of large, searching eyes. For the next couple of hours, he
said his mind was filled with events from his own past, and from many
of the major news events he had covered over the years. "I think they
were conjuring it all up and recording it in some way," Cronkite said.
Walter's friend continued with more bits and pieces of their
conversation. "Every so often, I get a powerful urge to go on the air
with statements to the effect that the aliens are peaceful,
law-abiding beings, who only mean us well, and can be very beneficial
to us. But I don't KNOW anything, and I'm resisting every effort to
become an apologist or propagandist for them. I'm in therapy. In the
first place I want to know that I'm sane, and didn't hallucinate all
this. In the second place, if it DID really happen, I want to know if
I'm the victim of post hypnotic suggestion to 'prepare the way' for
these--whatever they are. I've never believed in UFOs, but now I have
a great deal of indecision on the matter. I may be a great
disappointment to them, but I am NOT going before the cameras to tell
the world that they are our loving friends. Leave out the "r", and
they could be fiends." The fact remains that for four hours,
Cronkite was missing. Anxious calls were made to the police. The
grounds were searched. He was later found by the housekeeper
peacefully sleeping in the chair on the veranda. "I swear he wasn't
there before. That was one of the first places I looked. I'm ready to
take a lie detector test and swear that Mr. C was not on the
property," she says.
Cronkite had every hope of keeping his experience a secret for fear
of damage to his credibility, but secrets have a way of being found
out.
Walter's extraterrestrial experience may seem unbelievable to him,
but many claim to have had similar experiences. And it will come as a
relief that at last someone with unimpeachable credentials has had a
close encounter as well,
That was the gist of the article, and he asks: "Some years ago we
were informed that Walter Cronkite was replaced by a Robotoid or
synthetic, either by Dr. Beter or CAC, I don't remember. Anyway, if
this is so, then I'd like to know if he had an implant, and if he was
able to break the effect of the implant, telling him what to do. The
question is then: Is some one who has been implanted capable of
overriding the compulsion, and coming through that implant? It looks
like Cronkite did just that. Please ask Awareness as I'm sure others
would be interested in the answer."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it appears the entity was given an
implant but that the main purpose for the encounter was to siphon off
the information the entity contained within his consciousness. This
information was an accumulation of many years of Earth history and
was seen as valuable to these beings,
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
To extract a lifetime's worth of information out of his head in four
hours, they must have some very sophisticated equipment or something
to do that, do they not?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness reminds you, however, that this technology is not
unique to the aliens; that in the creation of Robotoids and
synthetics it was also used, whereby an entity's consciousness could
be extracted and put into the double for that entity, allowing the
double to remember everything the entity also knew.
This Awareness reminds you that Dr. Beter spoke of this and this
Awareness discussed this information approximately 10 to 12 years
ago.
JW I don't know that I have ever heard of Mr. Beter. I like Mr.
Cronkite and would have to ask him personally if this is all so,
but then if he were an synthetic then he might not give you the
right answer anyway. What is a person to do me. My goodness my
goodness.
HOW COME A ROMAN SOLIDER FELL FROM SKY?
(Why It Sometimes "Rains Cats and Dogs")
QUESTION:
J.D. in Vermont asks: "It is well-documented among anomalous
phenomena that in recent times a frozen, fully uniformed Roman
soldier fell out of the sky. How did that come about?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this appears to be an example of a kind
of time traveling incident in which beings moving back in time
abducted this entity, had the entity in deep freeze and released the
entity during a time of momentarily attuning to this time period.
This Awareness indicates it appears that the craft in progress,
moved on toward another time period and what was left was the soldier
in this time and space, and the craft moved on into a different time
and space.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
That incident must be very unique. This sort of thing probably rarely
happens?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it is unheard of, perhaps, except once
in a lifetime. It is extremely rare. There have, however, been
reports of unusual occurrences of similar events; the entity Charles
Fort spent his lifetime gathering such unusual reports in which
animals would tall from the sky, and whereby there appears to be no
rational explanation.
Frogs, cats, even dogs would fall from the sky during certain
rainstorms or during certain times when unusual phenomena occurred.
It was from this type of event that the phrase "raining cats and
dogs" came about. These events were at the time witnessed by
prominent people and printed in newspapers of the time.
Those who wish to research the works of Charles Fort will find many
similar and very unusual stories.
JW It is not imperative that you believe these two incidents. Just
please put them in your brain for future reference. That story about
Cronkite sounds like a typical tabloid story but then I could be
wrong.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Feb. 25, 1996.
Here is some information I got off the net talking about space
people who have come here.
This material contains the G word, is a little religions so beware.
John Winston.
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From: j s
Subject: 70 Civilizations ...
SEVENTY CIVILIZATIONS FROM OTHER PLANETS ON EARTH
According to a video tape made by a former C.I.A. agent, John Lear,
based upon what he said he witnessed from military agents with top
secret security clearances, there are about 70 different
extraterrestrial civilizations that have been monitoring the Earth.
Based on interviews by civilian UFO researchers from civilian
professional UFO reseach organizations there have been people
reporting abductions by beings from at least 40 other planets,
although the negative experiences seem to be confined to about 6
prominent planets in both studies. The other reported beamed-up or
taken-up experiences and land encounters have involved entities
either friendly or neutral who are studying us much like our own
scientists study primitive natives in jungles. There have been
reported contacts with beings from 4 other planets in our own solar
system, including a transparent green etherical energy formation
being allegedly from Saturn and a tall, physical, pure white humanoid
claiming to be from Uranus. The beings claiming to be from mars and
Venus are human in appearance yet are based in spaceports enclosed in
protective force-fields on those worlds and they represent
colonizations from other star systems rather than native indigenous
life.
There are also reportedly physical being colonies on some of the huge
moons orbitring Jupiter and Saturn that even NASA admits contain
atmospheres and water, including Lanulous, Titan, Io, Ganymede, etc.
One of the moons off Jupiter is allegedly a capital for an
interplanetary federation in our own solar system!
There are reported alien space bases on the dark side of the moon
where greys operate, as well as on certain large asteroids and one of
Uranus's moons.
The Department of Interplanetary Affrairs has summarized research on
planets with reportedly in radio and face-to-face contact with, the
Koldasians that a group in South Africa claimed radio and meeting
contatcts with (CE-3s), the race and the Arcturians. The Ogattans
are said to be short humanoid bird-like aliens extreemely friendly
and spiritually orientated, from a planet of prismatic domed
communities of crystaline material surrounded by crystal forests
emanting rainbow colored auras permeated by the harmonics of the
music of the spheres.
These E.T.s are said to be helping small numbers of humans on Earth
with divine guidance, very low-key, and they have taken many small
children from here to their planet for schooling, where they viewed a
Destiny Screen showing future Earth events (many of which have
already come true!) The events for the later part of this decade and
early 21st century on the Destiny Screen present widespread planetary
disasters.
This is a fairly common warning, and was even given to the Pentagon
leaders in the early 1950s by the negative grey aliens led by Krill
from the Zeta/Orian invasion. Warnings of widespread Earth
catastrophies in the next 20 years were common in the 1950s from
extraterrestrials claiming to be based on Venus, Mars, planets in the
Pleiades (through the 1970s), and some other solar systems. Many of
the events these aliens reportedly prophesized in the 1950s & 1980s
have already come true, including several famines, floods,
earthquakes, wars, etc.
The Koldasians, who reportedly look so much like we do that they
could walk into a supermarket incognito, say the were recently nuked
on their own planet in an interplanetary war that resulted in
negative aliens invading territory. Their leader on their Earth
mission, Valdar, who reporteldy met on a South African beach with
Earth contacts and also had radio contacts, details another type of
Interplanetary Confederation Koldas is a member of in lengthy
writings by Carl Van Vlierden. Valdar warns Earth not to make the
same mistakes taking place in their solar system.
Similar warnings came from the Korendians, who reportedly look
exactly like us humans except they are only about 3 to 4 feet tall
and live on a planet 6 times the size, of Earth, with oceans and
many more continents, which I have a map of and a copy of their
reported language, alphabet, measurement system, and register of
nearby inhabited planets!
Carl Vlierden even produced photos of Koldasian spaceships, just
like Bob Renaud did with the Korendian spaceships, which look like
daytime disc-shaped flying objects.
JW I had reported a few years ago that it was the Korendians who
staged the NW USA power black out to get the US to modify its power
grid system so we couldn't be knocked out by a foreign power by
tripping off the grid stations more than one at a time thus tripping
off the whole system.
Meanwhile we hear about beings from Arcturas who are small humanoid
greenish beings semi-physical who are so far beyond us spiritually,
technologically, and mentally we can barely comprehend these
entities.
They say they guide certain people through channeling spiritual
advice and on their own planet they have none of our physical or
emotional problems. Like most of the other advanced races they
live in crystal domes in a garden of Eden like paradise with music
beautiful beyond our comprehension, scenery beautiful beyond our
dreams, and no pollution or disease. They do not want to get
involved in our wars.
Then even further beyond our reports of beings from Andromeda Galaxy
who are light-energy bodies who telport or project anywhere in
galaxies and can manifest physically as anything from a humanoid
being to a goddess to a tree or symbolic animal. There are also
beings found in crashed flying saucers who are so ugly by military
standards that they have disquised their true looks with a
super-tight fitting very real looking organic suit that resembles a
better looking alien than they themselves really are...or they
surround themselves with laser holographs that look so real that
witnesses believe these aliens look like humans rather than monsters
or little demons. According to decades of pain-taking research by
scientists like Jacque Vallee and researchers like John Keel, many
of the, trolls, fairies, menehunies, and other so-called
mythological creatures of old were really aliens using these
disquises to manipulate the cultures of those times in a form more
easily relevant in those centuries. There were also monster flying
dragons and serpents and other monsters spitting fires who were the
creations of aliens using laser holigrams to fool primitive
societies.
And there are also reports of part human part
animal/fish/bird/reptiles creatures that are actually bizarre genetic
creations of bizarre real life forms...real scarry creatures of the
night.
James Forestal was our Secretary of Defense before he was illegally
committed to a mental institution after being abducted by a UFO and
talking to too many people about it. His diary started a report
about one of the aliens found in the Roswell crash and how it looked
like something from Hell. The diary also told of human body parts
found in crashed UFOs piloted by greys. James was thrown out of a
skyscraper by CIA agents before he could tell the story he wanted to
tell before Congress and at press conference.
However, apart from very Early Earthly interaction from Vega and
the Lyra realms, the dominent replaying MAJOR alien interaction on
our planet for the last 100,000 years involves the Sirians,
Pleiadeans, Orions, Zetas, Centaurians (since 15,000 BC only), and
last but not least a race we have not yet covered...the Nibirians -
If you are not familiar with these other races please read the
series about interplanetary colonizations about the History of the
Golden Ages and how there is no shortage of ancient writings to
prove this story really happened.
***********continued
John F. Winston
Last night I saw an episode of the TV show called Sightings. It
showed how the descendent of Captain Mantell, a person who died in an
airplane crash many years ago, were trying to get to the bottom of
what happened to this person. I will now attempt tell what a person
thought about the case who was in the service at the time and then
maybe I'll get around to telling what the space people had to say
about it. We will start right in with the ex-serviceman's
explanation. I have posted some of this information a few years ago,
so please don't read it if you have seen it before. So here we go.
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On January 7, 1948, I happened to be in the Operation's Room at
Scott Air Force Base in Belleville, Illinois. Now in the military we
had what was called an Air Defense Sector and Scott Air Force Base
was part of such an Air Defense Sector; the some one that involves
Fort Knox in Kentucky -- and on this particular day a UFO had
appeared in the Fort Knox area. I should mention that the air space
over Fort Knox is restricted. In other words, private aircraft and
military aircraft do not fly over Fort Knox.
Therefore, an unidentified flying object over Fort Knox created
quite a stir. All of the air bases in that Air Defense Sector were
alerted. I happened to be in the Operation's Room when the alert
came through. All of the various air bases in the sector were tied
together on a common communications link so that all such bases could
hear what was going on, and the action was taking place at Godman Air
Force Base in Kentucky on that day. The tower operators at Godman
AFB suddenly viewed a UFO flying in the near vicinity of Fort Knox.
It was observed first with the binoculars by the tower control
personnel. They immediately alerted the case commander at Godman and
got him to come to base headquarters. Then, the alert went out to
all the air bases in the sector, because at that time we did not have
very many jet interceptors around, but we did have the fastest thing
in the Air Force at that time that was commonly available, the F-51
Fighter, a propeller driven aircraft.
About the time of this UFO sighting a squadron of four F-51's was
flying near Godman AFB. The tower operator called them on his radio
and asked them to pursue this object and attempt to identify it. The
pilot in charge of the flight was Captain Thomas Mantell. At Scott
AFB we were listening to the radio traffic between Godman tower,
Captain Mantell and the three other aircraft that were with him. The
first alert occurred at 1:50 in the afternoon, and at 2:30 P.M.,
Captain Mantell's flight was alerted to start the pursuit.
My notes of this incident say that Captain Mantell's flight was
running low on fuel; so his three wingmen asked permission at various
stages of the pursuit, to land at Godman AFB for refueling and to
take on oxygen equipment. None of these planes were equipped with
oxygen as this was a routine low level flight.
Captain Mantell was the only one who did not report back to the
base for refueling or for oxygen. After spotting the object, Mantell
called Godman tower and said, "I see it. It's above and ahead of me
and I'm still climbing."
One of his wingmen who was still with him at that time asked, "What
the h--- are we looking for?" He hadn't seen the object. Mantell
answered him and said, "The object is directly ahead and above me,"
thus directing the other pilot's attention to its location. That was
at 2:45 P.M.
At 3:05 P.M., Mantell again called in on his radio and said, "I've
sighted the thing. It's metallic and tremendous in size, it's
starting to climb higher." Now, at this time, the remaining pilot
with him, a Lt. Harmond, called him and said, "Level off, Captain,
until I regain visual contact." Nantell's F-51 was climbing so
rapidly that even his wingman was having a hard time keeping up with
him, and had lost sight of him. His wingman then reported that he
had lost sight of Mantell.
At 3:15 P.M., just a few minutes later, Mantell called in again and
said, "It's still above me making my speed or better. I am going up
to 20,000 feet. If I'm no closer then, I'll abandon chase.
This is where the official Air Force account ends. However, there
was one further radio transmission from Mantell at 3:18 that
afternoon. His last statement has been stricken from all of the
official records. He said: "My G--. I see people in this thing."
That was his last actual comment.
To be continued.
Part 1.
JW This information was written by Richard Miller, a person who
later was taken aboard an alien space ship for a ride. He later
organized a group of interested people and he brought out his book.
Since that time his has been harassed and hounded by people until
now his followers choose not to talk about UFOs. His fellow
workers are in a group called The Solar Cross and I know respect
them.
Source Of Information: Star Wards by Richard Miller.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
Feb. 26, 1996.
Here are some more of the civilizations of aliens who are on the
Earth at the present time.
John Winston.
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From: j s
Subject: 70 Civilizations pt. 2
Zacharia Sitchin has spent decades as an archeologist and historian
in the Middle East, researching ancient writings from the Sumerian
civilization into a 5-part (JS - isn't it 6 now, Joe?) paperback
series documenting the Nibirian interaction on Earth in ancient
times. If you want the truth please read this series. It is so-well
documented it has been given great reviews in the Establishment news
media, something Von Daniken never attained.
Sitchin reports the Nibrians are from an ancient 12th Planet in our
solar system called Nibiru, and that they landed on Earth in
prehistoric times hundreds of thousands of years ago and mined the
Earth for gold and other minerals, established a spaceport in what
today is the Iraq-Iran area, and lived in a kind of idealistic
society as a small colony. They returned when Earth was more
populated and genetically interfered in our indigenous DNA to create
a slave-race to work their mines, farms, and other enterprises in
Sumeria, which was the so-called Cradle of Civilization in out-dated
pre-1980s school history texts. Later on the Nibirians also used
behind-the-scenes power-plays to manipulate the Egyptians and certain
other empires along with the Sirians. They played gods too and
played a heavy ruling hand in Babylonia, Persia, MesoAmerica, and
other lands, using their advanced technology to make primitive
peoples believe they were gods.
Enlil and Enki, two governors of Earth sent from Nibirn to rule
Earth, were responsible for all this power and control. They gave
the ancient Sumerians their architectural, agricultural,
astronomical, and cultural training in exchange for labor and
"gifts to the gods" in the form of a lot of mining, food and material
goods. Therefore the Nibirians themselves no longer had to
physically work on Earth. The Nibirians disquised themselves as
fish-humans, lion-humans, bird-humans, and other creatures to get
the people to worship them as token gods, something that worship of
the many Nibirian and Sirian gods in these lands with the one-god
concept.
However, wars always resulted from these differences of belief
systems, and the Sirians and Nibirians thrived on all the humans
fighting each other INSTEAD OF THE GODS who were the REAL ENEMIES
behind the scenes.
Sitchin tells of a huge orbiting something that brought many
Nibirians to Earth from the Sirian sector of our galaxy 7 every
3,600 years, with the last round being around zero A.D. when Christ
appeared. Every 3,600 years a major event occurred on Earth that
was well-documented by ancient and modern historians. The Great
Flood of religious referred to an attempt to destroy the slave races
of humanity by the Nibirians because they have rebelled against
their leaders (gods) from Nibiriu! Enlil and Enki were involved in a
heated dispute over whether to destroy or preserve the slave races and
this power struggle resulted in ancient wars. Sitchin believes that
the orbit of the huge object indicated it was a planet that orbits
in and out of our solar system and around our sun, yet is part of our
system, every 3,600 years. However, was this huge object REALLY one
of those titanic city-sized intergalactic mother ships the Pentagon
says it has tracked and photographed? I was actually shown a photo
of one of these ships by Sargeant Willard Wannall, formerly of Army
Intelligence, who investigated UFOs. This object was miles long,
silvery metallic, and crystal clear to the eye...no doubt some kind
of a monster spaceship. Such an object has also been reportedly been
monitored entering our solar system in the late 1980s heading right
for earth, and nobody knows what it really is all about! Dr. Stanton
Friedman, a famous nuclear physicists, swears his research absolutely
PROVES that the Martian moons are metallic, hollow, artificial
sattelites that have orbits, densities, and speeds IMPOSSIBLE by all
known laws of physics! He adds that spectrograph analysis proves
these moons are made of metal although they may be covered by a thin
layer of soil. Was Nibiru such an object...and were the Nibirians
really from one of the planets orbitting one of the two large stars
of the Sirias binary system? After all, the primitive DOGON natives
in Africa have all kinds of technical scientific mathematical facts
about that star system left by ancient gods about data that modern
scientists say they did not discover until the 1950s!
All kinds of reports indicate that the sirias system harbors
different races on different planets with different atmospheres
orbiting 2 different stars that orbit around each other every 50
years like the DOGONS described.
One is the ancestors of the Egyptians and that is what they looked
like!
Another is the gigantic humanoids or Nibirians, and another is the
intelligent aquarian Dolphin Race from the water-planet.
The Dolphin Race with its mermaids, mermen, porpoises, and whales
were a positive spiritual interaction with Earth, while the Sirians
and Nibirians were manipulative colonizers here to exploit human
labor for their own materials and survival.
What were the tenth and eleventh planets? The one that exploded
in a nuclear war located between Mars and Jupiter, Mardek (Maldek,
Tiamet, Lucifer, etc.) and became asteroids was the 11th. The 12th
is said to be the planet far beyond Pluto that certain astronomers
swear they see every few years, sometimes called Planet X. Many
alien contactees report they are also told of that planet. There is
also a tiny planet in orbit between Saturn and Uranus called Chiron,
which is considered a planet by some people and an orbiting asteroid
by others depending on who you talk to...it is allegedly a space
base for colonizing aliens.
The Nibirians built many of those incredible ancient stone monuments,
and are still active behind the scenes on Earth, according to several
researchers. Barbara Hand Clow even claimed they found a way to
incarnate in human bodies in 3600 BC and infiltrate our governments
directly!
*********Continued
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John Winston.Subject: The Captain Mantell Case. Part 2 of 2. Feb.
26, 1996.
Now for some more information about the Captain Mantell crash.
John Winston.
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After that, the tower lost sight of Mantell and the object. They
called Mantell repeatedly on the radio but he didn't answer.
At 5:30 that evening, some two hours later, Godman Tower received a
telephone call form Staniford Air Force Base. They had received a
phone report from a farmer in Franklin, Kentucky that a plane with a
certain serial number (NG-3869) had crashed on this man's farm. The
crash had occurred at 4:45 in the afternoon.
About 6:00 P.M. the alert was cancelled. The object had
disappeared, Mantell had crashed; Captain Mantell was dead.
The next morning there was a briefing on what was now the "Mantell
Case." I won't go into all of the details of that briefing other
than to say that Mantell's plane had flown for one hour and twenty
minutes beyond his available fuel supply. On one could account for
that. Captain Mantell met his death as a result of exceeding
12,000 feet without oxygen. He had blacked out, lost control of the
aircraft and crashed.
However, this presented the investigators with a major problem. If
he was blacked out and unconscious, which would have occurred at
appoximately 3:25 P.M, how did the aircraft continue to fly for an
hour and twenty-five minutes with an unconscious pilot at the
controls? And with no fuel in the tanks.
JW Captain Mantell's plane flew one and twenty five minutes longer
than it had any fuel to fly. It hit the ground like it had been
dropped by a large mechanical crane. The investigators found that
the eyewitness report of the farmer on whose farm the plane crashed
said he saw the plane coming down in a spin, but he then made a
statement which just literally blew everybody's mind. He said as the
aircraft reached treetop level, it was enveloped by a brilliant
white flash of light. This light was so bright it was like looking
at the sun. The aircraft appeared to fall out of this light and
pancake onto the ground. Now whatever this brilliant light was, it
brought the aircraft out of a spin, and slowed its rate of descent.
Normally, an aircraft falling from that height would have scattered
wreckage over a wide area on impact. All that happened to Mantell's
plane was the fuselage, the tail assembly, the rear empinage and the
wings broke off on impact. The tail assembly was less than a foot
away from the fuselage.
Later after reading this report by Richard Miller I came across
another article that I can't recall where I saw it, but it talked
about a transmission that was given to some Earth people from the
space people from the alien craft. I don't think the material
mentioned what planet the space people were from. This is
approximately what they said;
We are the people who were piloting the craft that the captain was
chasing. We saw him and knew that he did not have any ill will
towards us so we let him come closer for a close look. We didn't
anticipate the effects that our protection force fields around our
craft would have on his craft. We are used to other craft having a
circular configuration and they will bounce off unharmed when they
come near us. The captain's craft due to it's share edges
penetrated out force field and was caused to be damaged. We regret
this because we know that the captain had good intensions towards us.
His plane was then subjected to the force of our force field and
this caused the plane to malfunction and the death of the pilot.
There you have most of the story.
Part 2 of 2.
John F. Winston
This week I had the good pleasure of hosting a house warming for
some new people who had come into our organization. This man had
recently come into our area and a few friends of mine and I figured
we would properly welcome him.
In everyway this person would be what you say well off. Living
the good life. He has a beautiful 4 bedroom 3 bath home that
covered 3,200 sg. ft. He has horses, stables and the house was on
about 5 of more acres of partially oak covered ground. He had a
great dane dog as big as a small moose. One of the things that he
had was a couple of fighting swords. These were brand new and had
recently been bought from a company in Europe that had been making
such things for many years. This I believe you would call the long
sword, about the same size as is used by some of the soldiers in
the TV show called Hercules. I asked him about the sword in that
on one side it had a serrated edge similar to a saw blade for only
about 8 inches. He said, "Oh yes that is the part that you use
when you hack off a person's head."
Later on when I talked to a person, another new friend of mine,
I told him about this and I attempted not to upset his stomach.
After hearing my explanation he said, "That's nothing John. I once
saw a sword that had two fingers made of steel coming out the end.
It was made so that when you thrush it into a person's stomach
cavity it could be rotated like you would do when you pick up some
spaghetti on a fork and then you pull it out you thus drag out a
person's insides." The only thing was he didn't use those exactly
words.
After looking at all of this and observing the actions of some
aliens who I won't mention, just how humane are humans?
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
It is a strange thing that if I would tell you about an insect
that lights up at night with a light in it's belly that doesn't
produce heat you would all believe me, but if tell you about a fish
in the Atlantic Ocean that is a dull grey color normally but when it
becomes afraid it becomes invisible, you think that I am crazy. If
you investigate UFOs, one of the things you will run into is Vril
energy so I might as well tell you about it first. The following
information came to me on the Net and it sounds pretty silly but
what doesn't lately. Please try to pick out the truth that may help
the world be a better place. This is pretty scary stuff and will
probably make you not want to go into a cave more than a few miles
without someone being with you.
John Winston.
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From: S W
Subject: Subterranean Inhabitants: The Mothmen and Reptilians.
I received this letter recently from a subterranean oriented mailing
list.
While I disagree with Jan's conclusions about the motives of the
Mothmen, or Draco, but the information is fascinating. --SW)
George,
Hearing of your experiences - which are the result of your own
searches is fascinating. I am sending you 3 old "The Coming Race"
e-mails.
I never believed in Subteranean races - living without SUNLIGHT,
without rain, without water? That's rough. That's a tough
environment down there. I just could not imagine any race living
down there permanently. It just seemed too improbable.
Later I was to discover anomalies - like, FISH, being found in WELLS
and boreholes - far far from the ocean - sometimes hundreds of miles
from the ocean.
Or, blowholes, from whence wind comes blowing out. WARM wind even -
like in Oregon - where I believe these blowholes melt the snow and
are a danger to skiers.
Life has now been found - microscopic life - as deep as about 12
miles or so down in the earth now.
I'd heard of the Tero and Dero and Robert Shaver's stories - but
didn't believe them - still don't.
JW I used to write Robert Shaver letter and he would write me back.
He evern sent me some rocks that had pictures within pictures
imprinted on them. The more you pealed the suface of the rock off
the more picture were visible. I couldn't make much sense out of
the pictures but a friend of mine claims that he could. I believe
most of what Shaver wrote came form actual experiences.
However, the most bizarre story is that told by Lord Bulver Lytton,
a fellow of British descent, who lived in America. He told the story
of being in a mine - POSSIBLY ON THE BORDER WITH CANADA - which
may have a connection with your experiences in Greece. Lytton is with
a mining engineer who's checking out a new shaft (downwards). The guy
comes up from his sojurn down and seems very pale. Lytton makes him
drunk and hears that this fellow - while down there, walked along a
passage and saw a LIGHT down there. So he and Lytton decide to
explore - without telling anyone. In a nutshell, the engineer is
killed by a fall and eaten by a dinosaur type creature. Lytton is
captured by a bunch of people IDENTICAL to those described in UFOlogy
as the "Mothmen".
What is remarkable about Lytton's story is that he says a number of
things which seem to be so improbable as to never be able to come
true - and then they do. He specifically talks of these Mothmen,
gives their height, etc - and says that they have WINGS - artificial
wings - and they fly at about 30 mph or so.
JW The Mothmen I have heard about have real wings and they are
pretty good people but they have a tendency to scare you half to death
just by looking at them. Did you ever wonder why they never talk
about Mothwomen?
Lytton wrote his book in 1871, and said these events took place when
he was a young man. Strangely, the earliest Mothmen sightings go back
to about the latter half of 1870 - and have continued ever since - at
various intervals. The beings look like Lytton describes them, and
they fly very slowly - about 70 mph - exactly as Lytton described.
But Lytton had discussions with them - lots of discussions - and the
views of these people were quite remarkable for a simple Victorian
era Lord. He often differs in opinion with them - but what they say
is much deeper than what he himself is capable of. It's quite strange
reading a book, where the message is more sophisticated than the
author - weird. He espoused democracy, and they despised it. In the
typical attitude of Americans of that time - for example - he told
them that democracy would sweep the world and bring peace and
prosperity to all. They just shook their heads and told him he was
mistaken. They referred to democracy as "Govt of the ignorant by
virtue of their number". They said that all democracies eventually
become CORRUPT and then collapse. He said NO - the USA had already
had 100 years of democracy and was not corrupt. Then they said to
him - 100 years is nothing - the USA could not survive more than
another 100 years before corruption truly set in.
They spoke too of power coming from inside the ATOM - they called it
Vril. Their Vril was the basis of a whole science and everything they
had ran on Vril. Vril - seems to be atomic energy - before Einstein
had ever thought of it.
As BIZARRE as the book was - it was very impressive. I found another
area impressive too. Their understanding of G--. The SUBTLETY of
their description of how one should live one's life - would have
fitted in PERFECTLY, with the Eastern Views of selflessness and
karma. I thought that THEY showed much greater DEPTH than he.
In fact, it becomes clear from the book that the problem actually
lies with Lord Lytton. He's the fellow who makes the trouble, he's
the fellow who misunderstands them, and then tries to lay the blame
at their door.
It has interesing things in it. Like this Vril. This huge crocodile
dinosaur thing which lives in this lake bothers them. So they use
Lytton as bait (to demonstrate the power of vril) and this
crocodile-dinosaur-thing comes out to eat him - and they blow it away
from a distance of 2 miles with their vril weapon.
Another part of the story which got me interested was their supposed
prediction of nuclear war. Here is where Lytton's own ignorance comes
to the fore. See, HE writes this book to WARN Americans that the
"mothmen" are coming, that these Supermen are going to CONQUER the
USA. That's the tale he tells. But if you read the book, you find in
fact that that is NOT what they tell him. The misunderstanding comes
about like this:
They tell him of the failure of democracy. Then they tell him that
one day America will be WIPED OUT and that THEY will come out from
under the USA and live on the surface once more as they did long ago.
Lytton then fails to understand WHY/HOW the USA will be wiped out.
See, he can not see the logic in what they say. So he asks "Will
you kill us?" They reply "Oh goodness NO! We'd never do such a savage
thing". But Lytton, unable to understand their prophecy - then
assumes that they are lying. He NEVER says so, but it becomes evident
later. You see, they treat him exceptionally well, but yet, he can
not understand some of their attitudes. He describes Govt on
the surface - the USA - in fact he's boasting about the USA. They
then turn around and shake their heads in disgust, saying "A system
where the few control the many by force - that is the sign of an
incorrible SAVAGE!"
What emerges from this book however, is a picture of SUBTERANEAN
life, deep in the earth. And this gives us some clues as to how such
an existence might be possible.
They tell him that they live in villages - and that there are OTHER
peoples and creatures down there. Lytton then wants to visit these
other creatures, but they tell him that this is unwise. It seems,
that Lytton has happened upon the most BENIGN and ADVANCED peoples
who live inside the crust. The OTHERS, are more primitive and much
more viscious. He is warned that it is terribly dangerous to wander
beyond the "borders" of the village. This group lives in a *HUGE*
cavern - the top of which can't be seen and it is many many miles
wide - like say 10 or 20 miles wide. Lighting is their main problem
and the main occupation. They have rivers and running water and farm,
keep animals, etc.
This subteranean ecology is fascinating. In it we find dinosaur type
creatures, tigers and other creatures. They say that there are a
number of rare, yet carnivorous creatures which live down there. They
tell him too, that this huge crocodile-dinosaur creature is becoming
very rare. They say there used to be many more, but they kill these
creatures and slowly they are becoming extinct.
Now remember too that DRAGONS supposedly come from subteranean
sources. Dragons in caves may well be based on fact. And perhaps many
thousands of years ago such creatures were more common.
I have this theory, that in ages gone by, the world had other
creatures - subteranean ones, which were more common and those with
FLYING ABILITY would, from time to time come out and fly around.
If subteranean peoples have been hunting them off, and killing them,
then they may become rarer - and so now we no longer believe in the
MYTHOLOGY or the tales of those times -YET those tales may well be
based on FACT.
It was after this that I came across the Giant Flying Snake of
Namibia story which seems very real. In a nutshell, a young white
farm boy saw this huge snake on a large hill. Later this snake FLEW
DOWN from the hill, landed next to him with a plop! And proceeded to
wack him with it's tail. He got an awful fright, and ran like h---.
As he ran away, he couldn't believe his eyes, as he saw the snake
take off and fly up at a 45 degree angle, covering the half-a-mile or
so back to the top of the hill. He's now an old man - yet recites the
story and tells it just as it was reported back then.
What makes this story particularly fascinating is that it was not
only reported in the newspapers of the time -1942/4 - but that it was
investigated by one of South Africa's most famous scientists of the
time - a lady (who's name escapes me at the moment) who was involved
in the finding of the Caelocanth fish. She went there, and
investigated it. In her interview - which I have on video - she said
that she saw the TRACKS, left by the creature and clearly they were
the scales of a REPTILE. What puzzled her was that this snake - and
to her it seemed to be the size of a python - seemed to HOP - she
felt, perhaps it was injured. If you will remember, the boy said he
saw it take off and fly up to the hill.
People hunted for it, finally it was cornered in a cave and
dynamited it. The dynamited cave is still there - but no one has ever
gone to try to dig out the remains/bones of the snake.
Angus Whitty, who produced this - also interviewed other people. The
snake has been seen on and off for 100 years. But the local peoples
say THERE WERE MORE OF THEM LONG AGO - this sort of ties
in with my theory derived from Lord Lytton.
He had other eyewitness accounts of the snake. People who'd seen it
in the last 50 years. In fact, while he was there making the
documentary, someone went to the Police station to report ANOTHER
SIGHTING of the snake.
BTW, this area - it's a desert region - with tiny little towns -
seems to ALSO have UFO activity.
As I watched the documentary, it seemed to me, that the snake, seemed
to originate from an old extinct volcano in the area. It seemed that
all sightings occurred within a radius of this volcano. I spoke to
Angus personally, and asked him if he'd ever thought that the snake
might have subteranean origins. He admitted that such a thought had
never crossed his mind - but thought my theory made sense.
The snake had many unique characteristics. It made a very strange
hissing sound which people reported - and the party which dynamited
the cave reported that too. The snake also had small "winglets" just
behind it's head, which all saw and which made it appear quite
nasty - when it unfolded them.
Part 1.
JW Is everyone with me so far?
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
John F. Winston
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John Winston.
John F. Winston
Here is the second part.
John Winston.
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The snake's FLYING ability is the bizarre part. The snake had no
wings - nor did it seem to flatten itself. I questioned Angus
personally in detail about what the eye-witnesses actually said they
saw. One lady for example saw this snake FLOATING - 1 foot above the
grass. Just HOVERING - not moving. Then suddenly it began moving -
and flew away. This creature does not glide- this thing FLIES. It
defies gravity.
Now funnily enough - the only explanation for that snake's motion
might be that Alien's theory of gravity. If gravity is caused by
waves coming from all sides, and matter is a PARTIAL shield to those
waves, then that snake might well move as described. For example - as
I've said - if you can find a way of bending those waves - so that
they don't affect you- then you could move by means of the resultant
pressure. Think of this: An electric eel generates a current. An
electric current generates a magnetic field. Now what if this snake,
worked on some similar principle whereby it could nullify the gravity
waves above it - then the pressure from below (gravity waves passing
through the earth) would push it upwards. It could employ the same
technique for forward motion. That snake might just fly by a
principle which is the same as UFO propulsion. It could live
underground, and from time to time come out and sun itself on the
rocks. Oh yes, and the snake has a light on it's forehead - like the
CARBUNCLE of the Dragons. That to me - is a perfect indicator that we
are dealing with a creature which is SUBTERANEAN in origin - a
creature specifically designed to LIVE UNDERGROUND - a creature with
it's own lighting system.
Since volcanoes tunnels could lead deep and far into the earth - it
would seem that this long extinct volcano is an entrance into such a
set of tunnels.
Henry - on this list is involved in Big Foot research - which is
properly funded - indirectly by the US Govt. He too has the theory
that Big Foot type creatures are subteranean.
I think so too. Many of these creatures have a HORRIBLE SMELL. If
they lived on the outside all the time they'd give themselves away -
by smell alone. So I figure they live underground and come out of
concealed entrances - when they come out into the open air then the
smell is overwhelming. REMEMBER: Concealed entrances can be literally
impossible to find. A small entrance, say 2 or 3 foot wide covered by
grass, etc would be almost impossible to find. This is how I suspect
many subteranean creatures can come out for hundreds of years and no
one knows where the come from.
Now they may be coming out because they are SHORT OF FOOD. They grab
a bite to eat and then go back down. Normally, perhaps they hunt and
forage down in these tunnels. Perhaps they have specially adapted eye
sight too - but perhaps there are times when the hunting isn't so
good - and they come to the surface out of desperation.
Someone else - K.T. - told me the story of some Americans - red neck
types - who had such a creature on their farm - and how they tried to
ambush it by leaving a dead goat/sheep tied to a stake. They intended
shooting it when it took the carcass - but it was so fast - and
unbelievably powerful that it took them by surprise and got away with
the animal. Again, that shows me that the creature
He was intent on marrying the "rulers" daughter. He imagined
unleashing the power of the Mothmen - of conquering the lesser, more
primitive and viscious tribes - of creating a huge underground
empire. Yet, these people had a much more spiritual and sophisticated
approach. They would not hesitate to KILL - but ONLY in self-defence.
They felt content to live and let live and to only deal with others
of their kind. They had no central political system - only these
independant villages. Yet they'd cooperate when it was necessary.
They did not like his viscious thoughts of conquest. They were very
benign - yet he was scared of them because he knew that they had the
power of life and death over him. Often they expressed the view that
he must be killed, for he would tell us, and we'd begin going down
into their realms and it would facilitate a conflict. They felt that
to kill him quickly and painlessly - with vril of course - they could
solve the problem. They did not like the idea of interbreeding with
him either. The said that the result would be inferior type children
- which would cause problems in their well balanced and efficient
society. They told him he could live there for the rest of his life
as long as he did not marry AND have children. He could even marry -
in a sort of celebrate type of marriage - but children - that was out
of the question. In the end, he could not bear this - and he was only
able to escape with his life because one of them took pity on him.
What Lytton wrote was so amazing, yet internally consistent - AND in
many ways advanced - that I can not conceive it merely being
imagination. He explained so many things.
You know, right down to the smallest detail - like freaking out -
losing his mind, because they seem somewhat different and he couldn't
handle it - he almost went mad for a time. You find EXACTLY that in
many UFO stories - the more different the Aliens are - the more fear
you find among the contactees. I know of no contactee who goes
hysterical when they see a human type Alien - but put a Gray there or
a Preying-mantis-instect type creature there and they go f------
beserk.
But here's the interesting part - which he misunderstood: He could
not understand their statement that the USA would be wiped out. He
felt that only THEY could do it. Little did he imagine that one day
we would possess similar weapons - and be able to do it OURSELVES.
So he picked up the wrong end of the story. He thinks that one day
THEY will come and conquer America ("The Coming Race") - instead -
what THEY SAID was this: America would be wiped out and THEN they
would come out, and live in the thus empty land. They told him THEY
would NEVER kill us - he didn't believe or understand them.
So, with these Mothmen coming out from time to time, and checking out
the landscape - I figure that they're reconnoitring the landscape -
for the day when they will finally live on the surface again - as
they did a long time ago.
BTW, their rationale for living underground is also interesting: They
said there were huge earthquakes, and the water was rising (and
sinking?) and they fled deep underground where they sealed the
tunnels so that they could not drown. From there, they moved deep
below the earth and had lived thus for thousands of years. They were
thus a normally surface dwelling people - and lighting - for them -
was a BIG ISSUE. With their Vril they had no energy problems any
more. He even described a "flying boat" in which they travelled. His
descriptions of their flying apparatus seems very similar to the
flying snake. The wings are not really aerodynamic - in fact, the
description he gives is something like this: The wing is really a
folding bladder. When the wing is opened, air is sucked in - then
this "Vril" operates on this air and causes it to rise. Upward force
is controlled by how much air is in the bladder - hence the opening
and closing of the wing. He said that actually using the wing was
extremely difficult - he said he tried, but nearly got himself killed
in the process.
That book by Lord Lytton will forever fascinate me. I've never read
anything like it, and yet it had such DEPTH to it. I feel it could
only be a true account of real events - ESPECIALLY - if you study the
MINUTE DETAILS - it is beyond the capabilities of a Victorian
Englishman - without question. Also, the subtle MISUNDERSTANDINGS
between him and them - leaves me in no doubt that here, a Victorian
gentleman met with people who are very advanced.
They would be advanced - even by today's standards - and could
probably kill us with almost consummate ease. Yet, their desire was
to be left alone and they feared conflict - also they were few in
number. He estimated that this village contained about 50,000 people
- and that it was one of the largest subteranean villages in
existence.
Some of what they said to him - could only be understood in the light
of our knowledge today - some things - their religious principles -
could only be understood in the light of a thorough grounding in
the Eastern concepts of reincarnation and karma - which HE CLEARLY
COULD NOT UNDERSTAND. Their morality was so subtle that he could not
grasp it. They spoke of Reincarnation. I could find no problem with
their morality.
They made another interesting statement about G-- - whom they called
the "All Good". They said that the "All Good" did not like empty
vessels. They were talking of PLANETS - they told him that the Earth
was inhabited at ALL LEVELS and life would be found EVERYWHERE!
Well, they seem to have been partially proven true, for
microorganisms have been found alive, 12 miles down, and other
creatures live around the underwater vents of volcanoes - thriving in
such a hot environment where it was thought life would not exist.
Continually we discover new life - and maybe subteranean life is the
next step.
But as I've said before - beware - wandering into those subteranean
tunnels is a dangerous business - and if you've read of some of the
stuff Lytton described - like those dinosaur creatures - you'd want
to take a bazooka along with you - as well as a sackful of hand
grenades and 12 bore automatic shotguns!
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JW Well it didn't say much about Vril energy or rays. It seems this
energy was uses to destroy a lot of ancient cities. Bricks would get
so hot that they would melt.
John Winston. john...@mlode.com
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go to Thread7 and join in.
John Winston.
JALA
>In article <4h21aj$a...@news.wco.com>,
> john...@mlode.com (John F. Winston) wrote:
>
>>Stranges does have a group called IEC and they do contact people and
>>let them, if they are accepted, go aboard the space craft that is on
>>the water, cloaked, on Lake Mead. If you are allowed to go aboard
>>they let you go to some classes that are taught by the space people.
>>Val's address is;
>>
>>Valient Thor
>>IEC Inc.
>>Suit 114.79970 Woodman Ave.
>>Van Nuys, Calif. 91402.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!
Rich lewis
to be near all that good fishin and gambling hugh? Do the space people
teac bacharat, or 21 ?RL
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THIS is why no one can take the UFO phenomenon
seriously! C'mon, guy, knock it off, why don't ya',
and get a life for yourself!! Geeez!
Me.
Tim Hill
Reptoids are partial to craps. Nordics like Blackjack. Grays go crazy
over keno.
Tim Hill
"(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women.
It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that
encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children,
practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
--Pat Robertson
Maverick
On 13 Mar 1996 kul...@teleport.com wrote:
> : Ehh.....I must be a Nordic. Hey Tim, why not define each of the
> : purported alien species and their characteristics for everyone.
>
> Even better Mav, give us your analysis of the Lakenheath/Bentwaters UFO case.
> I think this will be infinetly more uplifting than any fantasy about
> alien species that Tim can come up with.
My analysis of a abduction, etc? OK...pure bullshit. I think anyone
who thinks they were abducted by a ufo needs a shrink pronto.
Tim Hill
kul...@teleport.com () wrote:
>
>Maverick (bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>
>
>: Ehh.....I must be a Nordic. Hey Tim, why not define each of the
>: purported alien species and their characteristics for everyone.
>
>Even better Mav, give us your analysis of the Lakenheath/Bentwaters
UFO case.
Why?
>I think this will be infinetly more uplifting than any fantasy about
>alien species that Tim can come up with.
I doubt it. Did there eyes glow in a neat new way or something?
Rick Mather
>Geez, cloaked houseboat on Lake Mead? They must have choosen that spot
>to be near all that good fishin and gambling hugh? Do the space people
>teac bacharat, or 21 ?RL
>
No, but they do teach spelling and grammar.
pRick.
LVScott
>My analysis of a abduction, etc? OK...pure bullshit. I think anyone
>who thinks they were abducted by a ufo needs a shrink pronto.
Oh,oh, now you are gonna have MJ-SETI asking you about the Neopolitan
case. Although anyone with half a brain knows that this stuff is
bullshit, he was suckered into believeing this Neopolitan case and
figures that if he can't tell that it is bullshit no one can.
Scott
Maverick
> In article <4i5ig6$4...@nadine.teleport.com>,
> kul...@teleport.com () wrote:
> >
> >Maverick (bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
> >
> >: Ehh.....I must be a Nordic. Hey Tim, why not define each of the
> >: purported alien species and their characteristics for everyone.
> >
> >Even better Mav, give us your analysis of the Lakenheath/Bentwaters
> UFO case.
alright...here is my analysis of ALL abductions/ufo's/etc.
UFO sightings-
1. da plaaaane....boss....da plaaaaaane.
2. someone who needs attention.
3. meteor, etc.
4. hallucination.
5. self implanted memory.
6. anything except extra-terrestials.
UFO abductions-
1. memory of birth
2. memory of surgery while put under (this happens)
3. someone who read, "communion"
4. someone who needs attention.
5. cons/art/etc
6. anything but extra-terrestials
Tim Hill
>On 13 Mar 1996 kul...@teleport.com wrote:
>> Even better Mav, give us your analysis of the Lakenheath/Bentwaters
UFO case.
Great case. You see Scotland Yard had an insider. Eventually they
raided the joint and captured the ring of Zeta Reticulans who were
promoting floating crap games all over England.
kul...@teleport.com
: On 13 Mar 1996 kul...@teleport.com wrote:
: > Even better Mav, give us your analysis of the Lakenheath/Bentwaters UFO case.
: > I think this will be infinetly more uplifting than any fantasy about
: > alien species that Tim can come up with.
Maverick spews...
: My analysis of a abduction, etc? OK...pure bullshit. I think anyone
: who thinks they were abducted by a ufo needs a shrink pronto.
Except for one or two cases, you are probably right Maverick. However if
they go to a shrink thinking they have been abducted, what are the
chances they will come away thinking they were NOT abducted? I say about 0.
That's just one of the problems with the whole abduction mess.
So let's move on...
What does Lakenheath/Bentwaters have to do with abductions?
Heh.
--
MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
: Aren't you talking about Art Bell? You don't think Art's guests are
: speaking about fantasies?
I think some are sound, and some are not. Look into it, that's the whole
idea Scott.
--
MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
: Although anyone with half a brain knows that this stuff is
: bullshit, he was suckered into believeing this Neopolitan case and
: figures that if he can't tell that it is bullshit no one can.
Gads you are a pathetic, drooling little troll Lv. Are you actually
reading my posts and is any of it sinking in? I'll give it to you one
last time. The Neapolitan "abduction" case is not something I lend any
credence to. However, through repeated attempts to get you to study the
case and try and refute me, I have further learned of your continuing
anti-intellectual stance which comes directly from your refusal to look
at the case at all.
Lets put it this way. We study by making a calm, carefull collection of
observations and then we analyse them by rational processes. We do not
PRE-JUDGE. That's a very powerfull method of learning.
--
MJ-SETI
Maverick
On 15 Mar 1996 kul...@teleport.com wrote:
>
> : My analysis of a abduction, etc? OK...pure bullshit. I think anyone
> : who thinks they were abducted by a ufo needs a shrink pronto.
>
> Except for one or two cases, you are probably right Maverick. However if
> they go to a shrink thinking they have been abducted, what are the
> chances they will come away thinking they were NOT abducted? I say about 0.
> That's just one of the problems with the whole abduction mess.
WEll....the odds will be much greater than 0 if the shrink is successful
in making the patient realize what personal issues caused them to believe
in such nonsense.
Hey...I don't have to prove it doesn't exist anyways. You prove the
ufo's exist. I'd love it to be true....I just realize it isn't gonna
happen....
Maverick
I'd like documentation and references proving which guests are sound.
Who are you to judge which guests are sound. have you seen their
credentials? What have they done to merit respect other than to make
some absurd claim which Art will use in a shameless attempt to sell to
his listeners as snake oil.
kul...@teleport.com
: alright...here is my analysis of ALL abductions/ufo's/etc.
: UFO sightings-
: 1. da plaaaane....boss....da plaaaaaane.
: 2. someone who needs attention.
: 3. meteor, etc.
: 4. hallucination.
: 5. self implanted memory.
: 6. anything except extra-terrestials.
Planes that make 1,000 MPH hairpin turns?
You're right. Everyone enjoys the crackpot label, especially the
skepto-paths.
Meteors are often known to land and take off vertically and leave
anomalous ground traces.
I want to see a UFO SO BAD! This sounds like something taught by
"Phallacy Phil Klass"
How does this work? Armchair psychiatry? You listening to Sagan again?
Anything except ET's. That would upset our comfy lives, so lets
ignore/coverup/explain away at all cost. How stupid.
: UFO abductions-
: 1. memory of birth
: 2. memory of surgery while put under (this happens)
: 3. someone who read, "communion"
: 4. someone who needs attention.
: 5. cons/art/etc
: 6. anything but extra-terrestials
You forgot TV/MOVIE influence.
--
MJ-SETI
Maverick
On 19 Mar 1996 kul...@teleport.com wrote:
>
> : I'd like documentation and references proving which guests are sound.
>
> Heh. Don't get pissed off at me just because you know nothing about the
> UFO cases. Why don't you look into some of the good radar/visual cases
Al contrare. I do know about them...and the people who have them.
They are nuts, liars, and frauds. I'm not pissed. I'm just amazed that
you will listen to these wild tales before you'd listen to a scientist.
> propulsions? Try Lakenheath/Bentwaters. Isn't this the 3rd time I've
> asked now?
Isn't this the third time I've told you not to believe in fairy tales?
Maverick
On 18 Mar 1996 kul...@teleport.com wrote:
> : alright...here is my analysis of ALL abductions/ufo's/etc.
>
> : UFO sightings-
> : 1. da plaaaane....boss....da plaaaaaane.
> : 2. someone who needs attention.
> : 3. meteor, etc.
> : 4. hallucination.
> : 5. self implanted memory.
> : 6. anything except extra-terrestials.
>
> Planes that make 1,000 MPH hairpin turns?
hey everyone.....I flushed one out....someone get the men in the white
suits with butterfly nets.
> You're right. Everyone enjoys the crackpot label, especially the
> skepto-paths.
guess what.....you just earned the label.
> Meteors are often known to land and take off vertically and leave
> anomalous ground traces.
People are often known to be very clever in the way they fake things.
> How does this work? Armchair psychiatry? You listening to Sagan again?
>
Sagan? I don't have to listen to him to figure out who's wacked. I
listen to these alien believers and I think about one flew over the
cuckoo's nest.
> Anything except ET's. That would upset our comfy lives, so lets
> ignore/coverup/explain away at all cost. How stupid.
Stupid is right. You are sounding very stupid. I think it'd be pretty
cool if we were visited by aliens. But, it's not gonna happen. Don't
get a big head and think that we're scared of ufo's....we're just smart
enough to figure out who's wacky.
> : UFO abductions- > : 1. memory of birth > : 2. memory of surgery
while put under (this happens) > : 3. someone who read, "communion" > :
4. someone who needs attention. > : 5. cons/art/etc > : 6. anything
but extra-terrestials > > You forgot TV/MOVIE influence. > > -- > MJ-SETI
Tv/movies belong under the read communion and self-induced false
memories category.
Maverick
> that. Skeptics see compelling information and get more information on
compelling? that's a joke.
Look, there are many ways to prove something true or false. I do it the
smart way. Instead of wasting my time trying to out think the frauds who
stage these phony encounters, I'd simply look for other evidence which
would show why aliens will never come here or what would really happen if
aliens did come here. however, I won't waste me time with you because I
realize that you'd never listen to reason. This is evident from the way
so many alien believers discount scientists like Sagan in favor of the
frauds on Art's show.
LVScott
>Anything except ET's. That would upset our comfy lives, so lets
>ignore/coverup/explain away at all cost. How stupid.
The only thing stupid is people like you who believe this crap with no
evidence whatsoever. Why would aliens upset our comfy lives? That's
just something you want to believe so you can rationalize that they
exist when they don't. I would be interested if it was proven that
they existed but it wouldn't upset my comfy life.
>--
>MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
: Instead of wasting my time trying to out think the frauds who
: stage these phony encounters, I'd simply look for other evidence which
: would show why aliens will never come here or what would really happen if
: aliens did come here.
How are you going to look for evidence that aliens will never come here?
Oh, I get it, you are going to try to put up some bullcrap about how it
would be to expensive for them and make yourself an expert on alien
economies. Maybe you will tell me it's to far and say that due to the
distances involved it would be impractical for another race to come here,
even though physics already predicts that it IS possible.
Your exhibiting what's commonly known as GSF or Grand Skeptic Fallcy.
That's a peculiar pathology where the "skeptic" chisels infinitesimally
small a priori probabilities in stone, decides that it must be correct,
and then completely ignores anomalous evidence that thrashes his
hypothesis into oblivion. You are totally and completely clueless, but
don't feel alone. I've noticed this in a lot of fanatics who only read
one sided literature <if they read at all> and then they flaunt their
ignorance about the opposing evidence. Of course various versions of "if
this is true, I would know about it but since I don't know about it, it
can't be true" are sure to come up in their non-arguments.
: This is evident from the way
: so many alien believers discount scientists like Sagan in favor of the
: frauds on Art's show.
What major UFO case has Sagan EVER looked into?
Please don't continue to project your feelings of tormented inadequacy
into Usenet.
MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
: Hey...I don't have to prove it doesn't exist anyways. You prove the
: ufo's exist. I'd love it to be true....I just realize it isn't gonna
: happen....
I'd like to call you a skeptic Maverick, but you don't even qualify for
that. Skeptics see compelling information and get more information on
it. I think what you are is a dogmatist because you dismiss things prior
to researching them. I'm trying to get you to do some comparison models
based on the literature which is standard practice in scientific fields
of study.
I notice that whenever your argument gets a whole punched through it you
get flustered and then start clamoring for proof like you have some kind
of right to assault the rules of logical argumentation as long as the UFO
proponent lacks a recovered vehicle or a dead alien. I have not heard
you address any of the cases I have so far presented, and you are
exhibiting the typical dogmatic attitude "I've never heard of the cases,
so they must not exist. If these cases exist, I'd have known about it."
--
MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
: I'd like documentation and references proving which guests are sound.
Heh. Don't get pissed off at me just because you know nothing about the
UFO cases. Why don't you look into some of the good radar/visual cases
where you have multiple ground and air radars, elimination of false echo
hypothesis, intelligent control, visual confirmation, and clear anomalous
propulsions? Try Lakenheath/Bentwaters. Isn't this the 3rd time I've
asked now?
--
MJ-SETI
LVScott
>Maverick (bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>: Instead of wasting my time trying to out think the frauds who
>: stage these phony encounters, I'd simply look for other evidence which
>: would show why aliens will never come here or what would really happen if
>: aliens did come here.
>How are you going to look for evidence that aliens will never come here?
>Oh, I get it, you are going to try to put up some bullcrap about how it
>would be to expensive for them and make yourself an expert on alien
>economies. Maybe you will tell me it's to far and say that due to the
>distances involved it would be impractical for another race to come here,
>even though physics already predicts that it IS possible.
Is this the HYPER Demensional physics that Hoagland babbles about that
proves this? The only thing proven about aliens is that some people
have a severe mental disorder which causes them to be drawn to the
irrational.
>Your exhibiting what's commonly known as GSF or Grand Skeptic Fallcy.
>That's a peculiar pathology where the "skeptic" chisels infinitesimally
>small a priori probabilities in stone, decides that it must be correct,
>and then completely ignores anomalous evidence that thrashes his
>hypothesis into oblivion.
You are exhibiting what is known as "Severe Mental Illness" syndrom.
Where is this evidence that thrashes his hypothesis into oblivion?
There is none except in your tiny mentally disturbed mind. Science by
its nature requires skepticism. Extrodinary claims require extrodinary
evidence. So far there has been none.
> You are totally and completely clueless, but
>don't feel alone. I've noticed this in a lot of fanatics who only read
>one sided literature <if they read at all> and then they flaunt their
>ignorance about the opposing evidence.
Again, there has been none, zip, nada, in regards to evidence.
Bullshit stories from people seeking attention are not evidence.
> Of course various versions of "if
>this is true, I would know about it but since I don't know about it, it
>can't be true" are sure to come up in their non-arguments.
And you know all about alien abductions? You are such a nut case that
you won't even post your real name for fear of being locked up in a
mental ward where you belong. There is one thing worse than a stupid
person and that is someone who is too stupid to know that they are
stupid. That description fits you to a tee. More Art Bell logic: If
you can't prove it doesn't exist, than it does.
Ross Woody
case" then perhaps a good form of debate would be to highlight some of the
relevance pertinant to YOUR arguemnet. To quote OBSCURE cases, and then tell US
that WE are lame for not researching YOUR case is a load of crap!
EXAMPLE:
The Napa Alien abduction case: Two middle eastern farmers felt that they were
abducted BECAUSE the following occured:
1) Farmer #1 found a turban shoved up his lower extremity. He knew that no one
near him had a turban except the green men that came out of the sky.
2) Farmer #2 took puctures of landing craft, but the film was too blury to
distinguish. Farmer #2 swears that he was still.
3) There were broken grape vines to show where the craft landed. Subsequent
research shows this to be true.
ETC ETC ETC.
But you see, MJ, all that you ever do is reference the name of the case, and
then get pissed because WE don't research it. If you won't quote it all, then
learn a better debate tactic.
Woody
LVScott
>LVScott (LVSc...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>: I would be interested if it was proven that
>: they existed but it wouldn't upset my comfy life.
>The whole point is that your not interested. Let's try this. Get
>yourself a copy of "UFO's Explained" by Phil Klass.
>The evidence already exists, now go ahead and debunk it.
Sure it does. Again what do you consider evidence? Blurry pictures and
some made up stories. It is quite funny to see you embarrass yourself
in public by saying evidence of Aliens exists.
>--
>MJ-SETI
Avoid normal situations.
: : I would be interested if it was proven that
: : they existed but it wouldn't upset my comfy life.
: The whole point is that your not interested.
Actually, the whole point is that he's not interesting.
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kul...@teleport.com
: Al contrare. I do know about them...and the people who have them.
: They are nuts, liars, and frauds. I'm not pissed. I'm just amazed that
: you will listen to these wild tales before you'd listen to a scientist.
You must mean Sagan, part time astrophysisist, part time NOVA flunky,
part time armchair psychiatrist, full time delusional. Again, what major
UFO case has Sagan ever looked into? Ever hear of Dr. Bruce Maccabee?
How about Dr. J Allen Hynek? What about Dr. Herman Oberth? Dr. Robert
Sarbacher? Dr. David Saunders? Dr. James McDonald? Nope, didn't think so.
Any one of these scientists are much more qualified to speak on the
subject of UFO's than Sagan, and if you are going to say they are not,
then debunk their statements or risk falling on your ass again.
Don't try and blab about how your mainstream media darlings tell it like
it really is, and stop chasing your tail Mav. You can't deal with the
enormous weight of the evidence, and deep down you know you are deceiving
yourself.
--
MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
: I would be interested if it was proven that
: they existed but it wouldn't upset my comfy life.
The whole point is that your not interested. Let's try this. Get
yourself a copy of "UFO's Explained" by Phil Klass. It should be
available at any used bookstore or your local library. Mr. Klass
believes that all UFO's can be explained by natural phenomena and/or
hoaxes, hallucinations etc. Once you have done this, let's discuss
Socorro 1964. Then I'll know you are interested.
The evidence already exists, now go ahead and debunk it.
--
MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
: People are often known to be very clever in the way they fake things.
True, so lets look at Socorro 1964. That will give you once and for all
the opportunity to prove your point. Tell me how it was faked, and why.
: Sagan? I don't have to listen to him to figure out who's wacked.
Then why did you refer to him in an earlier post in this thread? You
don't have to listen to him, but you do. He's your "daddy" and you know
it.
: get a big head and think that we're scared of ufo's....we're just smart
: enough to figure out who's wacky.
I can afford to have a big ego. I'm right.
MJ-SETI
Richard Baublitz
>Maverick (bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>
>
>: I'd like documentation and references proving which guests are sound.
>
>Heh. Don't get pissed off at me just because you know nothing about the
>UFO cases. Why don't you look into some of the good radar/visual cases
>where you have multiple ground and air radars, elimination of false echo
>hypothesis, intelligent control, visual confirmation, and clear anomalous
>propulsions? Try Lakenheath/Bentwaters. Isn't this the 3rd time I've
>asked now?
Oh Yeah? Then give me an analyisis of the Zumbaka/Beepo case.
Or try Grippo/Bentstick. I will only ask once.
>MJ-YETI
>
kul...@teleport.com
: Oh Yeah? Then give me an analyisis of the Zumbaka/Beepo case.
: Or try Grippo/Bentstick. I will only ask once.
Typical from someone with a name like pumperhead.
--
MJ-SETI
kul...@teleport.com
LVScott (LVSc...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Sure it does. Again what do you consider evidence? Blurry pictures and
: some made up stories. It is quite funny to see you embarrass yourself
: in public by saying evidence of Aliens exists.
Stop wasting my time Lv. Why don't you look into the 10,000 plus
documents that have been released by our government on this very subject,
and then report back to me when you have learned something about UFO's.
--
MJ-SETI
Maverick
On 21 Mar 1996 kul...@teleport.com wrote:
>
> You must mean Sagan, part time astrophysisist, part time NOVA flunky,
> part time armchair psychiatrist, full time delusional. Again, what major
You must mean Art Bell, part time radio host, part time C. Crane flunky,
part time armchair theorist, full time delusional.
> enormous weight of the evidence, and deep down you know you are deceiving
> yourself.
I can't deal with the enormous weight of your bullshit.
kul...@teleport.com
LVScott (LVSc...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Sure it does. Again what do you consider evidence? Blurry pictures and
: some made up stories. It is quite funny to see you embarrass yourself
: in public by saying evidence of Aliens exists.
Well since I'm here, I might as well destroy this one too.
You have interesting reasoning Scott. You wish everyone to believe that
all UFO photos are faked, even when the photos and negatives show no
signs of hoaxing and even when they were taken in the technologically
benign early years. This is how you can bawl "But why aren't there any
high quality photos?"
What you don't now understand <and probably never will> is that some of
the best photos and films were taken by the military. The hoaxing
technology in the early years was hardly impressive enough to fool the
best experts at civilian and military scientific labs. The Montana and
Utah films of the early 50's were extensively analyzed by the Navy, USAF
and civilian labs and all known objects were ruled out..planes, balloons,
birds, whatever.
It's easy to call all photos and films forgeries, but it's rich with
fallacy to do so. It seems like you simply *wish* them to be forgeries.
--
MJ-SETI
Ross Bench
>What you don't now understand <and probably never will> is that some of
>the best photos and films were taken by the military. The hoaxing
>technology in the early years was hardly impressive enough to fool the
>best experts at civilian and military scientific labs. The Montana and
>Utah films of the early 50's were extensively analyzed by the Navy, USAF
>and civilian labs and all known objects were ruled out..planes, balloons,
>birds, whatever.
Both of the above mentioned films are excellent examples of an unexplained
phenomenon.
Well documented and researched...
You forget to mention that neither of these cases contain reports of these
objects entering or exiting from the Earth's atmosphere...
Again, all you have done is to prove that the case for "Aliens" is weak and
the case for an unexplained phenomenon is strong..
Face it, you have zilch of a clue in regards to what UFOs are. They could be
anything or nothing..
And no matter how hard you fantasize you can't make them into what you want
them to be...
kul...@teleport.com
: I can't deal with the enormous weight of your bullshit.
And you can't succesfully de-bunk a major case either.
--
MJ-SETI
LVScott
>It's easy to call all photos and films forgeries, but it's rich with
>fallacy to do so. It seems like you simply *wish* them to be forgeries.
I simply wish them to be light and in focus. They always seem to be
dark or out of focus. This is why no one can identify what they are.
How can you say whether it is a weather ballon, plane, or bird when
you can't even see the thing?
>--
>MJ-SETI
Maverick
> kul...@teleport.com () wrote:
> >It's easy to call all photos and films forgeries, but it's rich with
> >fallacy to do so. It seems like you simply *wish* them to be forgeries.
I'm starting to think that Kulgan must be a skeptic by demonstrating the
absurdity by being absurd. To call the criticism of photo's "rich with
fallacy" is absolutely ridiculous. It's not up to the skeptics to prove
it doesn't exist...it's up to the believers to prove it does exist. It
just so happens as an added bonus that these faked photos are easy to
prove a forgery. Some of the most obvious fakes are exposed with a
special process that picks up the different lighting caused by strings.
Other photos are shown to be nothing more than distant lights or
superimposed figures.
Photos are the most obvious evidence refuting the existence of alien craft.
Maverick
Let me reiterate. It's not up to me to debunk each of your cases. It's
up to you to prove them beyond a shadow of a doubt. All of your lame
evidence would not be allowed in even the most liberal of courts.
kul...@teleport.com
: Extrodinary claims require extrodinary
: evidence. So far there has been none.
<sigh> I'm trying to help you Scott. Your condition can be repaired by
looking into the inexplicable cases where two ground radars, an air
radar, and ground and air contacts all confirm each other. In such
cases, the echoes cannot be attributed to any false stimuli.
Your fallacies are self evident, and your attitude seems to be that the
presense of ET craft automatically and irrefutably implies the
availability of dead aliens and crashed craft. Since no known craft is
known to publicly exist with verification, there cannot be any such
craft. Your fallacy is self evident, because everything else we have is
consistent with and corroborative of ET craft in our skies..ground
traces, films, photos, radar-visual cases, intense government interest,
and on and on and on...
: And you know all about alien abductions?
Nope, sure don't and I never said I did. I merely made an attempt to get
you to succesfully address an abduction case which you poorly dodged
thereby once again proving your true colors.
--
MJ-SETI
Tim Hill
things.
>
>True, so lets look at Socorro 1964. That will give you once and for
all
>the opportunity to prove your point. Tell me how it was faked, and
why.
Haven't I already explained that Bullwinkle did not team-up with Rocky
until February, 1965.
Love,
Chairperson Tim
Lord Supreme Being of alt.fan.art-bell
Ruler of The NewsGroup
Master of His Domain
President of Art Bell Fan Club, Internet Chapter
Tim Hill
kul...@teleport.com () wrote:
>Typical from someone with a name like pumperhead.
>MJ-SETI
Irony, sweet irony.
Tim Hill
LVSc...@worldnet.att.net (LVScott) wrote:
>I simply wish them to be light and in focus. They always seem to be
>dark or out of focus. This is why no one can identify what they are.
>How can you say whether it is a weather ballon, plane, or bird when
>you can't even see the thing?
Scott, That's because the aliens use light refraction devices that fool
cameras. They have enlisted bigfoot to manually point them at anyone
who is trying to photograph Kulgan's mothership.
LVScott
>In article <4j3brn$a...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> LVSc...@worldnet.att.net (LVScott) wrote:
>>I simply wish them to be light and in focus. They always seem to be
>>dark or out of focus. This is why no one can identify what they are.
>>How can you say whether it is a weather ballon, plane, or bird when
>>you can't even see the thing?
>Scott, That's because the aliens use light refraction devices that fool
>cameras. They have enlisted bigfoot to manually point them at anyone
>who is trying to photograph Kulgan's mothership.
Oh, that's why I have taken so many pictures of aliens and flying
saucers and they always turn out to be pictures of my dog or
landscape!
LVScott
>Maverick (bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>: I can't deal with the enormous weight of your bullshit.
>And you can't succesfully de-bunk a major case either.
ALERT! ALERT! Art Bell logic in use!
>--
>MJ-SETI
LVScott
>LVScott (LVSc...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>: Extrodinary claims require extrodinary
>: evidence. So far there has been none.
><sigh> I'm trying to help you Scott. Your condition can be repaired by
>looking into the inexplicable cases where two ground radars, an air
>radar, and ground and air contacts all confirm each other. In such
>cases, the echoes cannot be attributed to any false stimuli.
In an earlier post you bitched that I brought radar and pilot
sightings into it and accused me of changing the subject. Now you are
bringing them up. As I said about the case I recently read regarding
radar readings and pilot sightings, the object turned out to be the
planet Venus.
LVScott
>LVScott (LVSc...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>: Extrodinary claims require extrodinary
>: evidence. So far there has been none.
><sigh> I'm trying to help you Scott. Your condition can be repaired by
>looking into the inexplicable cases where two ground radars, an air
>radar, and ground and air contacts all confirm each other. In such
>cases, the echoes cannot be attributed to any false stimuli.
More Art Bell logic, if the echoes can't be attributed to false
stimuli, then it must be alien spacecraft.
MJ-SETI
: I simply wish them to be light and in focus.
Scott, use your brain, I know you must have one. How many times have I
asked you to look at the Trent photo? Why don't you tell me how that was
faked ok? Tell me it was a balloon, a bird, whatever and stop
embarassing yourself like this. Every time you post in response to
something I've written, I will come back with a request for you to look
at a photo/case, so deal with it because you cannot escape it no matter
how hard you try.
Conclusion of the Condon Commitee regarding the Trent photo <1950>
This is one of the few UFO reports in which all factors investigated,
geometric, psychological, and physical appear to be consistent with the
assertion that an extraordinary flying object, silvery, metallic, disk
shaped, tens of meters in diameter, and evidently artificial flew withinn
sight of two witnesses.
--
MJ-SETI
Tim Hill
kul...@teleport.com () wrote:
>LVScott (LVSc...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>
>: Extrodinary claims require extrodinary
>: evidence. So far there has been none.
>
><sigh> I'm trying to help you Scott. Your condition can be repaired
by
>looking into the inexplicable cases where two ground radars, an air
>radar, and ground and air contacts all confirm each other. In such
>cases, the echoes cannot be attributed to any false stimuli.
>
the
>presense of ET craft automatically and irrefutably implies the
>availability of dead aliens and crashed craft.
I don't think anyone here has ever denied the existance of UFO's,
however, many of us believe that it is ludicrous to jump to the
conclusion that anything that is unidentifiable must be of alien
origin.
Kubla Khan
>
> LVScott (LVSc...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>
> : Extrodinary claims require extrodinary
> : evidence. So far there has been none.
>
> <sigh> I'm trying to help you Scott. Your condition can be repaired by
> looking into the inexplicable cases where two ground radars, an air
> radar, and ground and air contacts all confirm each other. In such
> cases, the echoes cannot be attributed to any false stimuli.
>
> Your fallacies are self evident, and your attitude seems to be that the
> presense of ET craft automatically and irrefutably implies the
> known to publicly exist with verification, there cannot be any such
> craft. Your fallacy is self evident, because everything else we have is
> consistent with and corroborative of ET craft in our skies..ground
> traces, films, photos, radar-visual cases, intense government interest,
> and on and on and on...
Actually, you take it a step to far. These prove the presence
of an object, not necessarily of alien origin. Therefore, it
would be nothing more than a UFO in the strictest sense of the
acronym.
:::tAchyOn:::
Avoid normal situations.
: LVSc...@worldnet.att.net (LVScott) wrote:
: >I simply wish them to be light and in focus. They always seem to be
: >dark or out of focus. This is why no one can identify what they are.
: >How can you say whether it is a weather ballon, plane, or bird when
: >you can't even see the thing?
: Scott, That's because the aliens use light refraction devices that fool
: cameras. They have enlisted bigfoot to manually point them at anyone
: who is trying to photograph Kulgan's mothership.
Sarcasm. Bigfoot reference. Weak attempt at humor. Check. Check. Check.
: Love,
: Chairperson Tim
: Lord Supreme Being of alt.fan.art-bell
: Ruler of The NewsGroup
: Master of His Domain
: President of Art Bell Fan Club, Internet Chapter
Pompous .sig. Check.
I knew we hadn't seen the last of those alt.pigsnot boys. Any reports
on whether this guy is Wilf LeBlochead or Hooten-ninny posting from another
account?
--
Have a nice day.
MJ-SETI
: I simply wish them to be light and in focus. They always seem to be
: dark or out of focus. This is why no one can identify what they are.
: How can you say whether it is a weather ballon, plane, or bird when
: you can't even see the thing?
Very boring Scott. Trent 1950, Trementon Utah, Mexico city.
Check it out.
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MJ-SETI
Richard Baublitz
it can you?
Click....
On 23 Mar 1996 12:29:36 GMT, kul...@teleport.com () wrote:
>Richard Baublitz (pumpe...@pumperhead.carson-city.nv.us) wrote:
>
>: Oh Yeah? Then give me an analyisis of the Zumbaka/Beepo case.
>: Or try Grippo/Bentstick. I will only ask once.
>
>
>Typical from someone with a name like pumperhead.
>
>
>--
>MJ-SETI
>
Maverick I
On 27 Mar 1996, MJ-SETI wrote:
> Maverick (bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>
> : Let me reiterate. It's not up to me to debunk each of your cases. It's
> : up to you to prove them beyond a shadow of a doubt. All of your lame
> : evidence would not be allowed in even the most liberal of courts.
>
> Incorrect. All of the evidence is at the very MINIMUM more than enough
> to warrant a full scale congressional investigation.
> MJ-SETI
Dude....you're looped. Someone ought to check out your dagwood
sandwich...it's missing a couple layers. I hope your insistence on the
existence of aliens is a weak form of satire, because I can't make myself
believe that you believe them.
Everytime MJ-Seti speaks I can relate a little more with Jack Nicholson in
"One flew over the cuckoo's nest"
Ross Bench
In article <4j78pa$5...@nadine.teleport.com>,
kul...@teleport.com (MJ-SETI) wrote:
>Conclusion of the Condon Commitee regarding the Trent photo <1950>
Whoa nellie,
Condon committee 1950 ???? Trent Photo ???
What the hell are you babbling about ????
The GRUDGE report was released in late 1949 (virtually 1950). Dr. Edward
Condon had absolutely nothing to do with the GRUDGE report...
The CONDON Committee report was released in the late 1960s and was the reason
for the official closing of the USAF's Project BlueBook.
There is no such thing as the "trent photo".
You must be referring to the "Trementon Utah Film"
>This is one of the few UFO reports in which all factors investigated,
>geometric, psychological, and physical appear to be consistent with the
>assertion that an extraordinary flying object, silvery, metallic, disk
>shaped, tens of meters in diameter, and evidently artificial flew withinn
>sight of two witnesses.
Where did you dig this garbage up from ????
The "Trementon Utah Film" was taken by Navy Chief Photographer W.O. Delbert
Newhouse on July 2, 1952.
There was no "silvery metallic disk, tens of meters in diameter" either...
What you have done Kulgan, is to prove that not only are you not qualified to
analyze anything in regards to UFO cases, but you misquote cases as well..
Spend a little more time doing your "research" (snicker) before you make any
more of these inane posts...
Return to the mailing list... You are waaaayyyyy out of your league here...
MJ-SETI
: Actually, you take it a step to far. These prove the presence
: of an object, not necessarily of alien origin. Therefore, it
: would be nothing more than a UFO in the strictest sense of the
: acronym.
WHo the hell are you? Are you familiar with any UFO cases? When you are,
come back and post something other than this. Try studying
Lakenheath/Bentwaters and then we'll talk, because these and other cases
smash your uninformed opinion to pieces.
--
MJ-SETI
MJ-SETI
: Let me reiterate. It's not up to me to debunk each of your cases. It's
: up to you to prove them beyond a shadow of a doubt. All of your lame
: evidence would not be allowed in even the most liberal of courts.
Incorrect. All of the evidence is at the very MINIMUM more than enough
to warrant a full scale congressional investigation.
--
MJ-SETI
MJ-SETI
: It's not up to the skeptics to prove
: it doesn't exist...it's up to the believers to prove it does exist.
Like a poor marksman, you consistently miss the target. This is one of
the most rediculous pseudo-skeptic non-arguments that always comes up.
The other one is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
The fact that you are ignorant OF the evidence is all to evident. I
don't have to come to you with an alien body or a crashed craft. The
burden of proof is on YOU in light of the evidence we now have to
disprove that it is NOT of alien origin. If your are going to continue
with this line of reasoning, be prepared to debunk a major case.
: Photos are the most obvious evidence refuting the existence of alien craft.
Still dodging that Trent photo aren't you? What a wimp.
--
MJ-SETI
Tim Hill
I
>asked you to look at the Trent photo? Why don't you tell me how that
was
>faked ok?
Please post the pic.
Tim Hill
>: dark or out of focus. This is why no one can identify what they are.
>: How can you say whether it is a weather ballon, plane, or bird when
>: you can't even see the thing?
>
>Very boring Scott. Trent 1950, Trementon Utah, Mexico city.
I grew up in Tremonton. I am familiar with the famous motion picture
film taken by the Air Force officer there. It shows seagulls nothing
else. If this is your proof, then I trust none of your claims. They are
clearly seagulls.
I also saw a UFO when I lived in Tremonton. I have no idea what it
was-- that's why I call it an unidentified flying object. My best guess
is that it had something to do with the nearby Thiokol Corp.
missile/shuttle booster plant than with extraterrestrial life. Jumping
to the latter conclusion is the mistake of fools.
MJ-SETI
Maverick I (bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: > : Let me reiterate. It's not up to me to debunk each of your cases. It's
: > : up to you to prove them beyond a shadow of a doubt. All of your lame
: > : evidence would not be allowed in even the most liberal of courts.
You seem to have a lot of trouble comprehending what I write. You guys
are arbitrarily applying stringent levels of evidentiary standards to
test your own hypothesis which contradicts accepted knowledge. You have
added abosolutely NOTHING to this thread. Zero, nada.
What your looking for is a crashed saucer or a dead alien that you can
personally chop up and use for sandwich spread. Sorry guy, but you won't
get it from me. Just so I have your position right before I retire from
this rediculous thread in order to try and start my own you are saying
that if ET craft were indeed visiting this planet then physical evidence
would exist in abundance correct?
MJ-SETI