Re: 'Netcops' hanging out, profiling and crossposting to catch net.kooks
Art Deco
>On 11 Jul 2005 16:51:17 -0700, "INET Aware" <info...@lycos.com>
>amazed us with his/her particular brand of stupidity in
><1121125877....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> in
>news.admin.net-abuse.usenet when he/she wrote:
>
>>As certain individuals unamed have come to me regarding allegations of
>>censorship and harrassment regarding 'Netcops', netiquette fanatics,
>>and outright predjudice 'purists' (against mentally ill, pedofiles,
>>certain religions, etc, etc.), I have researched and am compiling
>>relevant information to report, hoping that people can be aware of what
>>is going on, and notice it when it happens.
>>
>>As you well know, 'Netcops' - who are individuals that hang out in
>>usenet and have different levels of 'netcop' activity - select
>>newsgroups that their targets (kooks, net.loons) would be found in.
>>Those 'netcops' then post a reply and forward the thread to
>>strategically pre-defined newsgroups such as [ alt.fan.art-bell,
>>alt.flame.net-cops, alt.masturbation, alt.sex.bears, alt.troll,
>>alt.usenet.kooks]. I wont go into how they study and classify kooks and
>>net.loons, but you can read alt.usenet.kooks FAQ at
>>http://insurgent.org/~kook-faq/
>
>)W00p!(
>
>>A disturbing thing is noted that alludes to compromising personal
>>information, such as ISP, as quoted in #20
>>20. Someone exposes your true service provider to the Rabble
>>
>>Look up Rabble if you dont know what that means.
>>It doesnt stop there, as many people (and people are digging up the
>>evidence) have had personal information such as telephone numbers and
>>addresses posted on certain NG's related to AUK or AUK itself, people
>>tracing IP's back somewhere DIRECTLY to physical locations of a
>>computer. AUK frequently crossposts certain things to
>>alt.hackers.malicious, for reasons we can only guess. Even if it cannot
>>be proven that private information is being spread illegally via AUK or
>>closely related 'netcops', there is obvious harrassment and profiling
>>for victims (net.kooks), even telling people to stop speaking on a
>>newsgroup using deception. People are humiliated, have personal info
>>exposed, imitated (the fanatics will actually pretend to be the victim
>>and say things, as if the victim were saying them). Even worse than
>>that, when the victim is breaking no rules, the 'netcops' report the
>>victims to their ISP on FALSE premise. Some ISP's will check it out,
>>and then false data will be given to the ISP. Its not that hard to mock
>>an email or newsgroup posting.
>>
>>I will not go into other things that are suspected untill data is
>>sorted and a full report can be made. A group (usenet, google, yahoo,
>>etc) will be formed where professional investigators, victims, and
>>concerned newsreaders can give encrypted information regarding the
>>'netcop' phenomena to be studied, and non-encrypted discussions will
>>take place that are deemed not to inform the 'netcops' which
>>information to try to modify or cover up. Yes, I have seen posts
>>deleted, modified, whole threads dropped into a non-relevant thread,
>>using bots (goofyizers) that expand the thread into utmost chaos,
>>making it almost impossible to gain insight into what the origonal
>>thread was about. Deleted and modified posts, imitation, 2-3 different
>>threads dropped into different places of the origonal thread, running
>>previous posts by the victim through bots, smears the message beyond
>>understanding, and is obviously a disinformation technique. They can
>>also lie to whatever authority, be it ISP, or the police, that the
>>victim has threatened or has been stalking someone. Usually they do not
>>need to lie to the authorities, it is just implied to the victim as a
>>scare tactic.
>>
>>I encourage people to read the FAQ. Please be aware that it contains
>>truth, but must have some falshood regarding AUK's purposes, evident by
>>the treatment of victims, the way 'catching' them is coordinated
>>strategicaly, and the vigilance thereof.
>>
>>Something also to look into would be the strange influx of certain type
>>of spam to any newsgroups that offend them or are directly against them
>>(invasion, read about the takeover of alt.fan.art-bell). When users get
>>frustrated with spam on a newsgroup, they finally get tired and just
>>leave. What I want to know (and this may change because I know they
>>will get wind of this), is WHY are the same types of spam not going to
>>alt.usenet.kooks?
>>
>>Will update with any relevant information, and I will be checking back
>>here for any information others contribute.
>>
>>P.S.
>>
>>Also they think they are untouchable, as noted in #29 of their FAQ
>>
>>29. Okay, then I'll bust your #$%&$*!! @$$ off AUK instead!
>>
>>Uh... yeah. Many denizens of AUK are abuse admins, know abuse admins,
>>sleep with abuse admins, or otherwise have years of experience dealing
>>with and educating others about precisely your kind of dubiosity. A
>>good account is a terrible thing to waste, so don't sacrifice yours on
>>our altar.
>>----
>>Notice the threat, again, a scare tactic, designed to mean tell the
>>victim 'You can't do anything about us, so dont even try'.
>
>I admire this particular kind of idiocy.
>A determined, self appointed, censorist, we're gonna get you (even
>though there is no *we*) kind of idiocy.
Yet another NANAU whiner.
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Hopefully he will compile a list of the perpetrators.
Jade
K. A. Cannon
<1121158202....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> in
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet on 12 Jul 2005 01:50:03 -0700:
>I admire that there is no *you* but yet the same people always rush to
>the defense of the non-existant group.
The only *you* is me. That *you* you think is the *you* is not the
*you* you believe is the *you* at all. You understand?
>Ever take a look at post histories of said people? Hmmmmmm.
It's all on google.
>Yet another lame attempt to defend yourself, even though illogically
>and ironicly you deny there is anything going on.
Deny...I deny nothing!
>I think I would be figuring out an excuse (plausable denyability) as to
>why you guys have spent SO MUCH TIME with something that *does'nt
>exist*.
What is this ethereal *something* you speak of?
>Have a nice day, and quit trying to turn this into a personal argument,
>this isnt a troll stupid, people are SICK of AUK, its a stain, a
>hassle, and we want it UDP'd for violations.
UDP a newsgroup...chuckle. Sure.
>Go show off your ass-chewing, insulting crap someplace else, cause they
>are wasted on me.
No...You see you've forgotten the first rule that *They* (this is the
same people as the *you* previously mentioned but the *you* are being
called *they* now for grammars sake) have.
Do you like being trolled?
>Oh, and do stop, and stop trying to be ambigious:
>
>"A determined self appointed, censorist,"
>Admission noted.
Admission of what?
That you want to censor a whole newsgroup that you dislike and
disagree with?
There's some book down at the library you probably dislike and
disagree with. Head down there right away with some matches and
flammable liquid.
>", we're gonna get you
>Threat noted.
Grasping context isn't your strong suit is it?
>(even
>though there is no *we*) kind of idiocy. "
(the *we* is the same as the *you* and the *They* referred to
previously)
>Ah, oh wait, somehow your twisted logic and useless attempts to
>discredit anyone who tries to blow the whistle tainted me for a
>second. I'm over it now.
Gosh..I am ever so glad *YOU* (this is a different *YOU* from the
*you* and the *we* and the *They* referred to previous. The ALL CAPS
is used to differentiate between them and eliminate confusion) are
over it.
>Please tell me I am not the only one who has noticed ANYTHING wrong
>with the way *non-existant* members of AUK behave.
Are the "*non-existent* members" of AUK the same as the *you*, *we*
and *They* referred to previously? (Not to be confused with *YOU*)
>Oh, and multiple group crossposting references to [alt.usenet.kooks,
>alt.fucknozzles, alt.fan.art-bell, alt.flame.net-cops,
>alt.masturbation, alt.sex.bears, alt.troll]
>*removed*.
Oh Goody. You sure outsmarted me with that.
>Nice try genius.
That's SUPER GENIUS to you cretin.
>Would have LOVED to call you something
>else, but hey I must be civilized, this is NANAU after all, and I am
>trying to give a serious complaint.
You expect your complaint to be taken seriously?
>Just confirming what I already said. Grow up will you?
How about you grow a thinker skin?
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Otaku
hir to enscribe <db0not$9ak$1...@mews.databasix.com>:
And all this from a bozo who has to use TOR to keep from having his IP
show up in Google's NNTP-Posting-Host header. Not only does s/h/it
want to be anonymous, which could be accomplished by using a provider
which does not add that header, s/h/it doesn't evern want its NSP to
be able to track it. Sounds like someone planning some sort of abuse,
to me.
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