Christians & Child Molesters
David J. Vorous
> "Ray Fischer" <rfis...@newbolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Raymond <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Brian Henderson" <cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Warnock" <war...@pop.co.za>
>>>>
>
>>>>Actually, the Bible speaks volumes in favor of child abuse. God
>>>>murdered children all the time, whether having them sacrificed,
>>>>attacked by bears, or dashing them against the rocks.
>>>>
>>>People muder people, not God. Then God never had a child sacrificed,
>>>
> one
>
>>>was offered, and God replaced the child with a ram goat. The the bears
>>>
> was
>
>>>bears not God, and they got what they got because of what they were doing
>>>
> to
>
>>>the prophect that was also not God. Then dashing against the rocks also
>>>done by man, the next thing we will hear from you is the "Devil make me
>>>
> Do
>
>>>it" if that fails say "Your wife make you do it, or God made me do it, or
>>>anything or anyone else made you do it"
>>>
>>Shall we remind you of the first born childeen of Pharoh?
>>
>
> Like saying if your kid jumps out the window, say God did it. Pharaoh had
> it done, by not doing as God said to do....
If you read your silly book again you'll find that the Pharoah
had no choice in his actions and the god was going to do what
it wanted to do anyway. It chose to kill first born. The
whole story is a lie anyway, the Hebrews, Jews, whatever you
want to call them, were never held as slaves in Egypt. There
is no records, anywhere, of about a million people leaving
Egypt and wondering in an empty desert for 40 years.
>>>>Nowhere in the Bible is abortion mentioned. Not one single word.
>>>>
>>>That term was not found in the Bible, as it is a modern term.
>>>
>>Abortion has been known of for thousands of years.
>>
>>
>>> Either is
>>>Airplane or Train, or Computer, not a single word.
>>>
>>Here's a clue: The entire Bible is nothing but "modern words".
>
> What Bible do you read, modern? I have a version that is in Hebrew and
> Greek, then I also use other languages beside English, nothing modern about
> any of it.
It does not matter which version of a mythology one reads, it
is still a mythology.
>>It's a translation into modern English. There is no mention of
>>the concept abortion. Except, perhaps, for Numbers 5.
>
> To kill a unborn is in the bible....
Where? Don't bother fretting about what I just snipped, it was
not relevant.
--
David J. Vorous
Yosemite Llama Ranch
da...@TheLlamaRanch.com
http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com
UDP for WebTV
David J. Vorous
> "David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>>The god sent people to murder. Since the god did not stop any
>>of it from going on it is proper to assume that it condoned
>>what went on.
>>
>
> God sent people to love and God sent Jesus His only Son because God so loved
> the world.
You keep making that claim but offer nothing to back it up.
Now how about some substance instead of empty claims.
> God sent....
Again, you can't prove your god sent anything until you prove
the god exists.
>
>>Doesn't matter. There is no prohibition in the bible against
>>the early termination of a pregnancy.
>>
>
> Sure there is, and the Bible brings out if a person does terminate the birth
> of a child they should die, anyone helping in such a deed should die. The
> story is there, your terms you choose to use are not, then to end a life,
> can be called many things, the results is all the same no matter what term
> on likes to hide behind.Hos 9:11
> 11 Ephraim's glory will fly away like a bird-
> no birth, no pregnancy, no conception. NIV
Nothing there about abortion.
> Hos 9:14-15
> 14 Give them, O LORD-
> what will you give them?
> Give them wombs that miscarry
> and breasts that are dry.
Nothing there either.
> 15 "Because of all their wickedness ...
Nothing there either.
Apparently you have nothing to back up your claims.
David J. Vorous
> Raymond did not write what is below, as you seem to make it seem, I don't
> and the bible doesn't favor child abuse.
The bible does condone, and encourages child abuse. You have
been given examples that were not taken out of context. I
guess your biblical blinders get in the way.
David J. Vorous
> "Cardinal Feng" <hc...@cf.area> wrote in message
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>
>>In article <ocmZ7.3049$zw3.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>>rwkna...@yahoo.com says...
>>
>>>People muder people, not God.
>>>
>>God could prevent it, but he doesn't, so he's just as guilty as the
>>people who do it. And then there's that whole "hell" thing, of course,
>>but I suppose that doesn't count as murder since those victims don't die.
>>
>
> God made a way for all to live and enjoy life, he gave them a free will....
If we have free will then the god is not omniscient and
omnipotent. If the god is omniscient then there can be no free
will.
You really need to try and do better. Your level of argument
is a little lower than most.
David J. Vorous
> Play your games, God does keep His word, and sin will not go unpunished.
Is that the best you can come up with? Since your god doesn't
exist any threats of punishment by that god are meaningless.
David J. Vorous
> ...
> Your still lying as I don't use the term Yahweh and then the Lord did not
> lie to Adam, read it again, Eve added to what God said, and the Devil ran
> with that, Satan lied, not God. Then what would such a sinner know about
> what God did say or didn't say.
Since your god, Adam, Eve, and Satan, do not exist; whatever
you tell us about them is a lie.
Warnock
David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
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> Since your god, Adam, Eve, and Satan, do not exist; whatever
> you tell us about them is a lie.
+++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not exist
~ please Prove your statement.
Cardinal Feng
>
> +++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not exist
> ~ please Prove your statement.
While he's doing that, I want *you* to prove that at least one of those
entities exists. Start with Adam, that should be an easy one.
David J. Vorous
> yowie <yo...@thepub.now> wrote:
>
>>Imaginary monsters don't do *anything* - but that doesn't stop certain
>>people inventing murderous exploits on their behalf:
>>
>
> Time will tell just how imaginary God is!
Time has already told us. Your god, along with all the others,
are imaginary.
--
David J. Vorous
Yosemite Llama Ranch
David J. Vorous
> David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote :
>>Since your god, Adam, Eve, and Satan, do not exist; whatever
>>you tell us about them is a lie.
>
> +++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not exist
> ~ please Prove your statement.
The proof lies in that you have no proof, or evidence, what so ever that any god exists. Since Adam, Eve, and Satan are part of the mythology surrounding your god, they don't exist either.
--
David J. Vorous
Yosemite Llama Ranch
David J. Vorous
> ...
> +++ You have 'Free Will', but true free will is only possible if you are
> prepared to accept the consequences of your actions! If you make bad
> choices, you can expect poor results.
Then that is not free will. Also, you cannot have an
omniscient god and free will, one cancels out the other.
David J. Vorous
> ...If Sodom & Gomorrah fell because men weren't decent, our civilisation
> could well fall with postings like above....
Then your god is an idiot. Bring him on. Let your god come
down here and destroy this civilization. Come on, do it......
I'm waiting.....
Is your god busy or something, I don't have all day to sit
around and wait......
I guess you lied, he isn't going to come - EVER! What a
pathetic god.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
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>
> > you tell us about them is a lie.
>
> +++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not exist
> ~ please Prove your statement.
Please prove that Kal-El, Jor-El, Lara, and Lex Luthor do not exist.
David J. Vorous
That's easy. Thor told me that those others are not real.
--
David J. Vorous
Yosemite Llama Ranch
JonJ...@aol.com
da...@thellamaranch.com says...
> Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A. wrote:
>
> > Warnock wrote:
> >
> >>David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3C37C40...@thellamaranch.com..
> >>
> >>
> >>>Since your god, Adam, Eve, and Satan, do not exist; whatever
> >>>you tell us about them is a lie.
> >>>
> >>+++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not exist
> >>~ please Prove your statement.
> >>
> >
> > Please prove that Kal-El, Jor-El, Lara, and Lex Luthor do not exist.
>
>
> That's easy. Thor told me that those others are not real.
You best be careful here. It is ok to mock fictitious
characters, but do not lump Thor in with that bunch, or the
next time you go golfing, Thor's Hammer Mjolinor might
direct lightning at you.
David J. Vorous
Don't worry, Thor's my man. He makes all the other gods
(except his dad) look like sissies.
Krisbam
"Warnock" <war...@pop.co.za> wrote in message
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>
> David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > Since your god, Adam, Eve, and Satan, do not exist; whatever
> > you tell us about them is a lie.
>
> +++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not
exist
> ~ please Prove your statement.
Prove that they do.
Speedbyrd®
It's so silly to get into a discussion over the Bible. Since no one is in any position to
prove that any of it happened, all of it happened, or none of it happened. Why waste bandwidth
on such a deadend topic?
The Speedbyrd®
Brian Henderson
>It's so silly to get into a discussion over the Bible. Since no one is in any position to
>prove that any of it happened, all of it happened, or none of it happened. Why waste bandwidth
>on such a deadend topic?
We'll stop wasting bandwidth when the believers start putting their
evidence where their mouth is.
If you can't prove God is real, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!
Krisbam
->On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:57:03 +0200, "Krisbam" <kri...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote:
->
->>
->>"Warnock" <war...@pop.co.za> wrote in message
->>news:a1a852$hcl$4...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
->>>
->>> David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
->>> news:3C37C40...@thellamaranch.com...
->>>
->>>
->>>
->>> > Since your god, Adam, Eve, and Satan, do not exist; whatever
->>> > you tell us about them is a lie.
->>>
->>> +++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not
->>exist
->>> ~ please Prove your statement.
->>
->>Prove that they do.
->>
->>>
->>> >
->>> > --
->>> > David J. Vorous
->>> > Yosemite Llama Ranch
->>>
->>>
->>>
->>
->
->
->It's so silly to get into a discussion over the Bible. Since no one is in any position to
->prove that any of it happened, all of it happened, or none of it happened. Why waste bandwidth
->on such a deadend topic?
->
-> The Speedbyrd®
->
->
->
Absolutely. This is something I sincerely hoped for Warnock to realise.
Krisbam
Krisbam
->On 6 Jan 2002 23:49:19 -0600, SpeedbyrdŽ <Spee...@fisban.com> wrote:
->
->>It's so silly to get into a discussion over the Bible. Since no one is in any position to
->>prove that any of it happened, all of it happened, or none of it happened. Why waste bandwidth
->>on such a deadend topic?
->
->We'll stop wasting bandwidth when the believers start putting their
->evidence where their mouth is.
->
->If you can't prove God is real, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!
I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will never be solved.
JonJ...@aol.com
Kri...@freemail.absa.co.za says...
> ->If you can't prove God is real, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!
>
> I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will never be solved.
Subjective? Never solved? It is a very simple thing. People
make definitive statements about the existence of "God",
"Adam, Eve, and Satan". When asked to provide evidence for
such, they give up. That would be ok except they will
continue to make that statement.
So, the simple request remains. If there is a "God" who is
as described, it should be easy to provide objective
evidence for such existence. Please do so. Of course, if
you cannot, then don't waste bandwidth, just admit it is
just a matter of faith with no empirical or logical
support.
And, as the original talked about "Adam, Eve, and Satan",
just prove any one of those existed.
Chris Tonkin
> >>Shall we remind you of the first born childeen of Pharoh?
> >>
> >
> > Like saying if your kid jumps out the window, say God did it. Pharaoh
had
> > it done, by not doing as God said to do....
>
>
> If you read your silly book again you'll find that the Pharoah
> had no choice in his actions and the god was going to do what
> it wanted to do anyway. It chose to kill first born. The
> whole story is a lie anyway, the Hebrews, Jews, whatever you
> want to call them, were never held as slaves in Egypt. There
> is no records, anywhere, of about a million people leaving
> Egypt and wondering in an empty desert for 40 years.
>>>
An even further in depth
Pharaoh was willing to get rid of them around the 4th curse just to be done
with the damn thing. But as pointed out in Exodus 7,1-3
1 AND the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a. god. to Pharaoh:
and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet..
2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall
speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
3 and. I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders
in the land of Egypt
And this continues till Passover and one more time as the Jews are fleeing
Egypt.
On the other hand the poster above is right. The Egyptians kept good records
and they record no exodus, nor do they report the death of a Pharaoh in the
red sea.
Raymond
"Krisbam " <Kri...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote in message
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> ->
> ->>It's so silly to get into a discussion over the Bible. Since no one is
in any position to
> ->>prove that any of it happened, all of it happened, or none of it
happened. Why waste bandwidth
> ->>on such a deadend topic?
> ->
> ->We'll stop wasting bandwidth when the believers start putting their
> ->evidence where their mouth is.
> ->
> ->If you can't prove God is real, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!
>
> I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will
never be solved.
No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what God
is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He will
do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives of
His people.
>
>
David J. Vorous
> ....
> No one proved God is not real....
Don't have to. You have to prove it is real.
--
David J. Vorous
Yosemite Llama Ranch
JonJ...@aol.com
@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
says...
> No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what God
> is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He will
> do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives of
> His people.
Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
David J. Vorous
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In article <%du_7.12541$Vz3.1371480
> > @newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> > says...
> >
> >
> >>No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what God
> >>is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He will
> >>do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives of
> >>His people.
> >>
> >
> > Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
>
> His religion doesn't allow it.
His religion makes it the ultimate sin.
Brian Henderson
) wrote:
>I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will never be solved.
That's true, so why don't the God-soaked get it through their heads
that nobody gives a damn about their beliefs and try REALITY?
Brian Henderson
wrote:
>No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what God
>is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He will
>do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives of
>His people.
No one proved Krishna isn't real too, so I guess he is.
Krisbam
->
->"Krisbam " <Kri...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote in message
->news:3c397bf...@newshost.freemail.absa.co.za...
->> On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:03:36 -0800, Brian Henderson
-><cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote:
->>
->> ->On 6 Jan 2002 23:49:19 -0600, Speedbyrd® <Spee...@fisban.com> wrote:
->> ->
->> ->>It's so silly to get into a discussion over the Bible. Since no one is
->in any position to
->> ->>prove that any of it happened, all of it happened, or none of it
->happened. Why waste bandwidth
->> ->>on such a deadend topic?
->> ->
->> ->We'll stop wasting bandwidth when the believers start putting their
->> ->evidence where their mouth is.
->> ->
->> ->If you can't prove God is real, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!
->>
->> I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will
->never be solved.
->
->No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it,
No one has proved that god is real. So what is the point on talking about it?
<...>
Krisbam
->On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:44:45 GMT, Kri...@freemail.absa.co.za (Krisbam
->) wrote:
->
->>I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will never be solved.
->
->That's true, so why don't the God-soaked get it through their heads
->that nobody gives a damn about their beliefs and try REALITY?
They have this incessant need to insist that their god is real for everybody else. I don't
know why but they just do.
Krisbam
->In article <3c397bf...@newshost.freemail.absa.co.za>,
->Kri...@freemail.absa.co.za says...
->
->> ->If you can't prove God is real, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!
->>
->> I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will never be solved.
->
->Subjective? Never solved? It is a very simple thing. People
->make definitive statements about the existence of "God",
->"Adam, Eve, and Satan". When asked to provide evidence for
->such, they give up. That would be ok except they will
->continue to make that statement.
That is why it will never be solved. Instead of these believers admitting that religion and gods are of a personal
view or a reflection of someone's imagination, they resort to insisting, either with violence, intimidation, or
laborious repetition, that these views or figaments of their imagination are real for ALL of us.
->
->So, the simple request remains. If there is a "God" who is
->as described, it should be easy to provide objective
->evidence for such existence.
-> Please do so. Of course, if
->you cannot, then don't waste bandwidth, just admit it is
->just a matter of faith with no empirical or logical
->support.
The concept of faith isn't logical, nor is it based on anything on anything physical or humanly real. Faith is
having trust in something "higher" that cannot be seen in the physical realm. It is a matter of perception
and where a person is at in his or her life.
->
->And, as the original talked about "Adam, Eve, and Satan",
->just prove any one of those existed.
I can't. Neither can they.
Krisbam
->
->
Krisbam
->JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
->
->> In article <%du_7.12541$Vz3.1371480
->> @newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
->> says...
->>
->>
->>>No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what God
->>>is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He will
->>>do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives of
->>>His people.
->>>
->>
->> Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
People that follow those religion don't allow it.
->
->
->His religion doesn't allow it.
->
->--
->David J. Vorous
->Yosemite Llama Ranch
->da...@TheLlamaRanch.com
->http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com
->
->UDP for WebTV
->
Rev Phylter
<snipped>
> ->No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it,
>
> No one has proved that god is real. So what is the point on talking about
it?
You can't prove that something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. You can't
prove a negative. There are goldfish living on the moon, Do you disprove it
or do I have to prove it?
--
Rev Phylter
ULC Ordained Minister
AFJC Denizen Of Darkness (DOD) #44
http://www.rudraigh.com/afjc/home.html
After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my
hands.
Friedrich Nietzsche
JonJ...@aol.com
da...@thellamaranch.com says...
> JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In article <%du_7.12541$Vz3.1371480
> > @newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> > says...
> >
> >
> >>No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what God
> >>is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He will
> >>do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives of
> >>His people.
> >>
> >
> > Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
>
>
> His religion doesn't allow it.
ROFLMAO
Speedbyrd®
It if pleases you.
The Speedbyrd®
Brian Henderson
) wrote:
>They have this incessant need to insist that their god is real for everybody else. I don't
>know why but they just do.
Ultimately, they think that life is worthless without their invisible
imaginary friend in the sky. They have based their entire worldview
around it, and if it turned out to be false, they would be absolutely
crushed and unable to function. Most people give up this kind of
fantasy life early on, they just never managed to learn that they had
to grow up.
Indianajones
any.. so what is the point in trying to prove the existence, or otherwise,
of God.
"Raymond" <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JonJ...@aol.com
@york.ac.uk says...
> There is never enough proof for an athiest, and a believer shouldn't need
> any.. so what is the point in trying to prove the existence, or otherwise,
> of God.
I infer that you are saying that an "atheist" is someone
who will reject all "proof". Hmmm. Do "atheists" reject the
evidence of round earth, transistors work, computers
compute, trains run, atom bombs explode, etc. Obviously
not. So, you must actually mean there is "no" proof of the
existence of "God", which is why "atheists" don't believe.
But if a believer doesn't need any proof, how did that
believer come to his/her belief in the first place. What
was sufficient to convince him/her? Mommy and Daddy told
him so? Any other?
The point is that people who go around saying things like:
"God loves you," or "We have to have prayer in schools," or
"Schools should teach my version of creation," or "Schools
shouldn't teach science if it conflicts with my belief,"
etc. *must* have sufficient evidence of their beliefs in
order to have the right to force their beliefs on the
world.
Raymond
<JonJ...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Not sure about that, one thing this sure does prove to me, it is not one of
your strong points.
Raymond
> JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In article <%du_7.12541$Vz3.1371480
> > @newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> > says...
> >
> >
> >>No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what
God
> >>is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He
will
> >>do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives
of
> >>His people.
> >>
> >
> > Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
>
>
> His religion doesn't allow it.
Then since you don't know what that religion is or have any facts to prove
your point, it is clear that logical thought is sure not one of your strong
points. If any kind of point, or you would know better then to make such
foolish remarks.
>
> --
> David J. Vorous
Raymond
"Brian Henderson" <cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
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Because REALITY is just what many are seeking and wanting some of that
God-soaked stuff, as millions are converting to Christian thinking, all over
the world. So that they don't have to worry about that "damn" as being
damned is not going to be in their life, but will be for them that don't
give a "damn" pardon my tongue. If you really don't give a "damn" why are
you posting or cross posting into Bible newsgroups?
Raymond
>
Raymond
To grow up, is to know God is, and He is not that "imaginary friend in the
sky" which makes your remarks foolish. You seem to feel you need to hide,
and hope "they" are wrong about God, so you don't need to grow up. A real
man or woman, stands up and functions like responsible adults not needing to
mock that which they have not seen or met yet.
>
Raymond
I believe the history books do have a date of birth for him also.
>
Raymond
Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
that daily. There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be. You need to
start reading, then just making yourselves feel good by being in denial.
>
> <...>
>
Raymond
"Indianajones" <dhj...@york.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:a1h6to$7mu$1...@pump1.york.ac.uk...
> There is never enough proof for an athiest, and a believer shouldn't need
> any.. so what is the point in trying to prove the existence, or otherwise,
> of God.
Gives people something to write about, and hopefuly think about. I didn't
believe in a personal God, till I met Him, He and I know we both exist, so
why not share with others, so they may or maynot know?
JonJ...@aol.com
@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
says...
My, my, what a snappy comeback.
JonJ...@aol.com
@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
says...
> Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
> that daily. There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
> prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be. You need to
> start reading, then just making yourselves feel good by being in denial.
Obviously you have a unique and incorrect definition of
"prove".
And, are you in denial because you don't believe in Thor,
or Santa Claus?
Ray Fischer
>> ->No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it,
>>
>> No one has proved that god is real. So what is the point on talking about
>it?
>
>Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
>that daily.
Snicker. You clearly have no concept of what a proof is.
> There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
>prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be.
The triumph of arrogance over intellect.
--
Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
rfis...@sonic.net into you -- Nietzsche
David J. Vorous
> There is never enough proof for an athiest,
No, all you have to do is supply the proof. Once you provide
that proof, and it is real, there will be no more Atheists.
> and a believer shouldn't need any..
Yes, a believer should ask for proof so that you know you are
not believing in a mythology.
> so what is the point in trying to prove the existence, or otherwise,
> of God.
Why waste time worshiping something that doesn't exist?
David J. Vorous
> "David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>
>>JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
>>>Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
>>
>>His religion doesn't allow it.
>
> Then since you don't know what that religion is or have any facts to prove
> your point, it is clear that logical thought is sure not one of your strong
> points. If any kind of point, or you would know better then to make such
> foolish remarks.
It's obvious that you believe in some form of mythology.
David J. Vorous
> ....
> To grow up, is to know God is, and He is not that "imaginary friend in the
> sky" which makes your remarks foolish.....
Obviously you believe in some form of mythology. Do you have
any proof of this god? Or are you just making illogical
conclusions?
David J. Vorous
> In article <wn__7.16608$zw3.1723479
> @newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> says...
>
>
>>Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
>>that daily. There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
>>prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be. You need to
>>start reading, then just making yourselves feel good by being in denial.
>>
>
> Obviously you have a unique and incorrect definition of
> "prove".
Obviously rational thinking is not one of his strong points.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> "Brian Henderson" <cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:tlvn3useepp22qghd...@4ax.com..
> > ) wrote:
> >
> > >They have this incessant need to insist that their god is real for
> everybody else. I don't
> > >know why but they just do.
> >
> > Ultimately, they think that life is worthless without their invisible
> > imaginary friend in the sky. They have based their entire worldview
> > around it, and if it turned out to be false, they would be absolutely
> > crushed and unable to function. Most people give up this kind of
> > fantasy life early on, they just never managed to learn that they had
> > to grow up.
>
> To grow up, is to know God is, and He is not that "imaginary friend in the
> sky" which makes your remarks foolish.
(snip)
It's worse than you thought, folks.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> There is never enough proof for an athiest, and a believer shouldn't need
> any.. so what is the point in trying to prove the existence, or otherwise,
> of God.
When it becomes reason to outlaw beer sales on Sunday, the point matters
very much.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> "Brian Henderson" <cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:qbal3u037dkncba0j...@4ax.com..
> > ) wrote:
> >
> > >I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will
> never be solved.
> >
> > That's true, so why don't the God-soaked get it through their heads
> > that nobody gives a damn about their beliefs and try REALITY?
>
> Because REALITY is just what many are seeking and wanting some of that
> God-soaked stuff, as millions are converting to Christian thinking, all over
> the world.
And millions are abandoning it.
Millions of others are accepting allah. Care to join them? Yes?
Repeat: "There is no god but allah, and mohammad is his messenger."
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> "Brian Henderson" <cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:hdal3uk9qvtv3l804...@4ax.com..
> > wrote:
> >
> > >No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what
> God
> > >is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He
> will
> > >do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives
> of
> > >His people.
> >
> > No one proved Krishna isn't real too, so I guess he is.
>
> I believe the history books do have a date of birth for him also.
Which is?
David J. Vorous
> Raymond wrote:
>>I believe the history books do have a date of birth for him also.
>>
>
> Which is?
Prince Siddhartha Guatama was born AROUND 563 bce and died
AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
he was born of a virgin mother.
JonJ...@aol.com
da...@thellamaranch.com says...
> Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A. wrote:
>
> > Raymond wrote:
> >>I believe the history books do have a date of birth for him also.
> >>
> >
> > Which is?
>
>
> Prince Siddhartha Guatama was born AROUND 563 bce and died
> AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
> his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
> he was born of a virgin mother.
The Buddha is Krishna?
David J. Vorous
> da...@thellamaranch.com says:
>>Prince Siddhartha Guatama was born AROUND 563 bce and died
>>AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
>>his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
>>he was born of a virgin mother.
>>
>
> The Buddha is Krishna?
No. Krishna is Hindu, and is the 8th avatar of Vishnu.
JonJ...@aol.com
da...@thellamaranch.com says...
> JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > da...@thellamaranch.com says:
> >>Prince Siddhartha Guatama was born AROUND 563 bce and died
> >>AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
> >>his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
> >>he was born of a virgin mother.
> >>
> >
> > The Buddha is Krishna?
>
>
> No. Krishna is Hindu, and is the 8th avatar of Vishnu.
Right, let me spell it out then rather than be so obtuse.
Why did you give Prince Siddhartha Guatama's birth date
when he asked about a birth date for Krishna?
David J. Vorous
Did he ask about Krishna? I could swear I read Buddha. Oh
well.... I've been running a chain saw all day and it must
have vibrated my brain too much. Now I have to stack all that
damn wood.......
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In article <3C3D060F...@thellamaranch.com>,
> > da...@thellamaranch.com says...
> >
> >>JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>da...@thellamaranch.com says:
> >>>
> >>>>Prince Siddhartha Guatama was born AROUND 563 bce and died
> >>>>AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
> >>>>his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
> >>>>he was born of a virgin mother.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>The Buddha is Krishna?
> >>>
> >>
> >>No. Krishna is Hindu, and is the 8th avatar of Vishnu.
> >>
> >
> > Right, let me spell it out then rather than be so obtuse.
> > Why did you give Prince Siddhartha Guatama's birth date
> > when he asked about a birth date for Krishna?
>
> Did he ask about Krishna? I could swear I read Buddha. Oh
> well.... I've been running a chain saw all day and it must
> have vibrated my brain too much. Now I have to stack all that
> damn wood.......
Or maybe I meant the jeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus daemon?
Cardinal Feng
says...
> Raymond <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"Krisbam " <Kri...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote in message
> >> "Raymond" <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> ->No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it,
> >>
> >> No one has proved that god is real. So what is the point on talking about
> >it?
> >
> >Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
> >that daily.
>
> Snicker. You clearly have no concept of what a proof is.
>
> > There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
> >prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be.
>
> The triumph of arrogance over intellect.
Hey, now, Raymond says he has two college degrees, so he *must* be
intelligent.
Cardinal Feng
> There is never enough proof for an athiest
s/enough/any/g
s/an athiest/anybody/g
Cardinal Feng
JonJ...@aol.com says...
Have you noticed that whenever you hit Raytard with an obvious negative
assessment of his character his response is always, "I know you are but
what am I?"
Cardinal Feng
rwkna...@yahoo.com says...
>
> "David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
> news:3C3A8965...@thellamaranch.com...
> > JonJ...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In article <%du_7.12541$Vz3.1371480
> > > @newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> > > says...
> > >
> > >
> > >>No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what
> God
> > >>is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He
> will
> > >>do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives
> of
> > >>His people.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
> >
> >
>
> Then since you don't know what that religion is or have any facts to prove
> points.
lol
Looks to me like you just agreed with him. Nice auto-flame, Raytard.
Brian Henderson
wrote:
>There is never enough proof for an athiest, and a believer shouldn't need
>any.. so what is the point in trying to prove the existence, or otherwise,
>of God.
Oh, there should be plenty of proof, the problem is, there isn't any
proof of any kind. I'd settle for the Bible being true, but when it's
so blatantly contradictory and false... well...
How about a logical argument for the existence of God? No?
How about ANYTHING but empty claims and appeals to emotion? No?
Sheesh, Christians really do have nothing, do they?
Brian Henderson
wrote:
>Gives people something to write about, and hopefuly think about. I didn't
>believe in a personal God, till I met Him, He and I know we both exist, so
>why not share with others, so they may or maynot know?
What was he wearing?
Brian Henderson
wrote:
>Because REALITY is just what many are seeking and wanting some of that
>God-soaked stuff, as millions are converting to Christian thinking, all over
>the world. So that they don't have to worry about that "damn" as being
>damned is not going to be in their life, but will be for them that don't
>give a "damn" pardon my tongue. If you really don't give a "damn" why are
>you posting or cross posting into Bible newsgroups?
Take a gander at the most recent worldwide religious data.
Christianity is falling apart. Islam and Buddhism are growing,
Christianity is shrinking.
And I'm certainly not reading this from a Bible newsgroup, thank you
very much.
Brian Henderson
wrote:
>I believe the history books do have a date of birth for him also.
Actually, that's true. History also documents the real life existence
of other so-called "messiahs". Wow, guess that proves that all these
other faiths are really true!
Brian Henderson
wrote:
>Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
>that daily. There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
>prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be. You need to
>start reading, then just making yourselves feel good by being in denial.
There are bookshelves full of books on many subjects. I guess this
means that every deity that has ever been claimed is Real and always
was and always will be, huh? There are books about them! And UFOs!
Those are real too! There's way too many books on that subject.
Raymond, I'll bet you anything that I know 10x more about your silly
religion than you do. Actually, that's probably why I know enough to
reject it.
Krisbam
"Raymond" <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:wn__7.16608$zw3.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...> news:3c3aebb2...@newshost.freemail.absa.co.za...> > ->
> > ->"Krisbam " <Kri...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote in message
> > ->news:3c397bf...@newshost.freemail.absa.co.za...
> > ->> On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:03:36 -0800, Brian Henderson
> > -><cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > ->No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it,
> >
> > No one has proved that god is real. So what is the point on talking
about
> it?
>
> that daily.
No one has ever proved that "their" god exists for "me".
Krisbam
>
>
Warnock
Krisbam <kri...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote in message
news:3c39a748$1...@batman.vip-za.com...
> > > Since your god, Adam, Eve, and Satan, do not exist; whatever
> > > you tell us about them is a lie.
> >
> > +++ You make a definate statement that God, Adam, Eve and Satan do not
> exist
> > ~ please Prove your statement.
>
> Prove that they do.
+++ Not my responsibility, I was first and asked for proof that they did not
exist!
--
** People who deny that there is a God, are not so convinced that no God
exists, but are using this denial as a crutch to get out of having to comply
with God's Law!**
David J. Vorous
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>>Did he ask about Krishna? I could swear I read Buddha. Oh
>>well.... I've been running a chain saw all day and it must
>>have vibrated my brain too much. Now I have to stack all that
>>damn wood.......
>>
>
> Or maybe I meant the jeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus daemon?
Don't say that name 3 times in a row or he will come and get YOU!
Warnock
> Prince Siddhartha Guatama was born AROUND 563 bce and died
> AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
> his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
> he was born of a virgin mother.
+++ All Great Avatars, teachers like Christ, were born of a virgin mother -
it is their identification that they are an Avatar!
Warnock
Raymond <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:wn__7.16608$zw3.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > ->No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it,
> >
> > No one has proved that god is real. So what is the point on talking
about
> it?
+++ You, too, can experience God - first you need to open your mind to the
possibility that there might, just might, be a God. Then allow yourself to
meditate on it - great things have small beginings!
Warnock
> There are bookshelves full of books on many subjects. I guess this
> means that every deity that has ever been claimed is Real and always
> was and always will be, huh? There are books about them! And UFOs!
> Those are real too! There's way too many books on that subject.
+++ UFO's are a necessity if one believes that there is a possibility that
other planets/worlds are occupied and it would be a plain waste of creation
if they weren't!
> Raymond, I'll bet you anything that I know 10x more about your silly
> religion than you do. Actually, that's probably why I know enough to
> reject it.
+++ Another look at the more serious side of Mysticism and religion may just
cure your rejection.
JonJ...@aol.com
war...@pop.co.za says...
> +++ UFO's are a necessity if one believes that there is a possibility that
> other planets/worlds are occupied ...
This statement is so patently ridiculous on the face of it
you must have left out something. Please state what you
actually mean.
--
** People who deny that there is a God, are not so
convinced that no God exists, but are using this denial as
a crutch to get out of having to comply with Thors's Law!**
David J. Vorous
> David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>>Prince Siddhartha Guatama was born AROUND 563 bce and died
>>AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
>>his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
>>he was born of a virgin mother.
>>
>
> All Great Avatars, teachers like Christ, were born of a virgin mother -
> it is their identification that they are an Avatar!
Which also means they are more myth than real.
David J. Vorous
> You, too, can experience God - first you need to open your mind to the
> possibility that there might, just might, be a God. Then allow yourself to
> meditate on it - great things have small beginings!
That's only proof of self-deception, not of a god.
David J. Vorous
> Brian Henderson <cep...@directvinternet.com>:
>>There are bookshelves full of books on many subjects. I guess this
>>means that every deity that has ever been claimed is Real and always
>>was and always will be, huh? There are books about them! And UFOs!
>>Those are real too! There's way too many books on that subject.
>
> UFO's are a necessity if one believes that there is a possibility that
> other planets/worlds are occupied and it would be a plain waste of creation
> if they weren't!
No UFO, as in alien space craft, have reached this planet.
There is life out there, but it cannot travel the distances it
would take to get here. Star Trek is not real.
>>Raymond, I'll bet you anything that I know 10x more about your silly
>>religion than you do. Actually, that's probably why I know enough to
>>reject it.
>
> Another look at the more serious side of Mysticism and religion may just
> cure your rejection.
There is no serious side. It's all a load of crap.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> Brian Henderson <cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:mcmq3u08kukir8bvl...@4ax.com..
>
> > means that every deity that has ever been claimed is Real and always
> > was and always will be, huh? There are books about them! And UFOs!
> > Those are real too! There's way too many books on that subject.
>
> +++ UFO's are a necessity if one believes that there is a possibility that
> other planets/worlds are occupied and it would be a plain waste of creation
> if they weren't!
What if those other worlds are inhabited by plants?
> > Raymond, I'll bet you anything that I know 10x more about your silly
> > religion than you do. Actually, that's probably why I know enough to
> > reject it.
>
> +++ Another look at the more serious side of Mysticism and religion may just
> cure your rejection.
A casual stroll through a lunatic asylum will explain those.
Raymond
"Speedbyrd®" <Spee...@fisban.com> wrote in message
news:kubn3ucb8s1ijm3d4...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:05:15 GMT, "Raymond" <rwkna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I agree with Speedbyrd. It is such a subjective topic and one that will
> >never be solved.
> >
> >No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and what
God
> >is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says, He
will
> >do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the lives
of
> >His people.
> >
> It if pleases you.
I am pleased that God has made Himself known to His children. Yes that does
please me.
>
> The Speedbyrd®
>
>
>
>
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D., P.A.
>
> David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
> news:3C3CEC2E...@thellamaranch.com..
>
> > AROUND 483 bce. He probably did exist but no exact dates of
> > his birth or death exist. In the original version of Buddhism
> > he was born of a virgin mother.
>
> +++ All Great Avatars, teachers like Christ, were born of a virgin mother -
So are aphids.
> it is their identification that they are an Avatar!
Or they were bastards.
Raymond
<JonJ...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.16a640816...@news.spwest1.tn.home.com...
> In article <in__7.16603$zw3.1723479
> @newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> says...
> >
> > <JonJ...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.16a447eb8...@news.spwest1.tn.home.com...
> > > In article <%du_7.12541$Vz3.1371480
> > > @newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> > > says...
> > >
> > > > No one proved God is not real so we will keep talking about it, and
what
> > God
> > > > is doing today in the life's of millions prove that which God says,
He
> > will
> > > > do, He does, making God very much alive, real and well and in the
lives
> > of
> > > > His people.
> > >
> > > Logical thought isn't one of your strong points is it.
> >
> > Not sure about that, one thing this sure does prove to me, it is not one
of
> > your strong points.
>
Raymond
what you wanted it, to be.
"Cardinal Feng" <so...@crd.fg> wrote in message
news:MPG.16a71dfa8...@news.alt.net...
Raymond
> Raymond wrote:
>
> > "David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
> >
> > Then since you don't know what that religion is or have any facts to
prove
strong
> > points. If any kind of point, or you would know better then to make
such
> > foolish remarks.
>
>
> It's obvious that you believe in some form of mythology.
No way, mythology is just that myth. God is real.
>
> --
> David J. Vorous
Raymond
"Cardinal Feng" <so...@crd.fg> wrote in message
Your Raytard guy is all in your mind, and auto-flame, is hot, which is where
you may find yourself, nice for you to agree with Raytard, I sure don't.
>
Raymond
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:39:48 GMT, "Raymond" <rwkna...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Because REALITY is just what many are seeking and wanting some of that
> >God-soaked stuff, as millions are converting to Christian thinking, all
over
> >the world. So that they don't have to worry about that "damn" as being
> >damned is not going to be in their life, but will be for them that don't
> >give a "damn" pardon my tongue. If you really don't give a "damn" why
are
> >you posting or cross posting into Bible newsgroups?
>
> Take a gander at the most recent worldwide religious data.
> Christianity is falling apart. Islam and Buddhism are growing,
> Christianity is shrinking.
Your joking, get the information from the missionaries, and people preaching
to the lost, we find that so called Christianity has fallen long ago. Then
Christ and what God is doing today, is growing faster then any faith on
earth. We are bring thousands of Buddhist to Jesus yearly in China. Islam
will kill anyone that changes from it to another faith, like in communist
China, they have a large house church movement. The work of the Lord Jesus
is not shrinking, religion that has faith in a church, or a history, but
have not given their life to Christ, should shrink. Most Christians I
know, call themselves a "follower of Jesus Christ" and are dropping the term
Christian, so you are partly correct, with the religion that calls it self
by the name Christian. Wrong in the fact that the teachings of Christ which
is what true Bible believing Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) are
filling buildings and churches have more people in them now then a few years
ago. If you check with the United Nation on world religions the total of
all them that do use the name Christian in the major Churches are near One
Billion Catholics and One Billion other Christian groups, or Two Billion in
the World which is larger then Buddhism or Islam.
> And I'm certainly not reading this from a Bible newsgroup, thank you
> very much.
That is nice as that is where this message of yours popped up, and it is
where I am replying to you from.
>
Raymond
To the ones who wanted these so called "messiahs" it proves they got it,
only they died like all men, and are still dead. Jesus lives and is with
His people, today and forever. Yes all those faiths to their people would
be true, as anyone can call themselves a "messiah" as I have met some, and
seen on killed and his "apostles" dead with him. Seems like bullets and
hand grenades stopped them like flies. If you need one, there is a guy
called Rev. Sun Moon, from Korea, tried a term in the US Jail but has
followers all over the place he calls himself the savior and the Father, and
his wife it the Mother of all mankind. Talk to his people and they believe
he is whom he says he is. Still will die and his evil will pass away, as
thousands before him.
Raymond
<JonJ...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.16a64160c...@news.spwest1.tn.home.com...
> In article <wn__7.16608$zw3.1723479
> @newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
> says...
>
> > Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove
just
and
> > prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be. You need to
> > start reading, then just making yourselves feel good by being in denial.
>
> "prove".
It seems like you have your own unique incorrect definition, the one I used
is from the Oxford Unversity Press as seen here.
prove verb (past participle proved or proven ) 1 [with obj.] demonstrate the
truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument: the concept is
difficult to prove | [as adj.] (proven) a proven ability to work hard.
[with obj. and complement] demonstrate by evidence or argument (someone or
something) to be: if they are proved guilty we won't trade with them. Law:
establish the genuineness and validity of (a will). [no obj., with
complement] be seen or found to be: the scheme has proved a great success.
(prove oneself) demonstrate one's abilities or courage. [with obj.] rare:
test the accuracy of (a mathematical calculation). subject (a gun) to a
testing process.
2 [no obj.] (of bread dough) become aerated by the action of yeast; rise.
[ORIGIN: from Northamptonshire dialect.]
-PHRASES: not proven Scots Law: a verdict that there is insufficient
evidence to establish guilt or innocence.
-DERIVATIVES provability noun provable adjective provably adverb.
-ORIGIN Middle English: from Old French prover, from Latin probare 'test,
approve, demonstrate', from probus 'good'.
-USAGE: For complex historical reasons, prove developed two past
participles: proved and proven. Both are correct and can be used more or
less interchangeably (this hasn't been proved yet; this hasn't been proven
yet). In British English proved is more common, with the exception that
proven is always used when the word is an adjective coming before the noun:
a proven talent, not a proved talent.
Copyright © 1999 Oxford University Press
>
> And, are you in denial because you don't believe in Thor,
> or Santa Claus?
>
>
Raymond
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:39:56 GMT, "Raymond" <rwkna...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
> >that daily. There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
> >prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be. You need to
> >start reading, then just making yourselves feel good by being in denial.
>
> There are bookshelves full of books on many subjects. I guess this
> means that every deity that has ever been claimed is Real and always
> was and always will be, huh? There are books about them! And UFOs!
> Those are real too! There's way too many books on that subject.
Thank God that there are books on all kind of things and teachings, as there
is lots of proof of God, as shown by millions of books, in hundreds of
languages. Education is for those that want to learn, ignorant people only
tell about books but do not read as they don't want to learn. Like a
person see I have a book, and uses it to sit on. He has a book, which
unless read is of no value to his brain.
> Raymond, I'll bet you anything that I know 10x more about your silly
> religion than you do. Actually, that's probably why I know enough to
> reject it.
I don't know even on thing about any "silly religion" so you win on what you
think you know. I know a thousand times more then you do about what Jesus
is doing today, and thousands of people that have met the God of the Bible
and who's lives have been changed as the Bible says it would be. You
should reject anything "silly" I did that years ago.
>
Raymond
Why should we? God is, and doesn't need to prove anything to you. Then
maybe someday He will, I said the same foolish remarks for near twenty
years, like the Guy saying if God is real, let lighting hit me now. Kind of
a death wish, and as silly as your remarks, your time on earth is no over,
and so your remarks do not prove anything, except for you, you have not met
God. Billions on earth today, fit that. Just like millions of people on
this world never seen a TV or a microwave oven, just because they never
seen, touch or heard of such, doesn't mean such things do not exist.
Raymond
>
> Krisbam
> >
> >
Ray Fischer
>"David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
>> It's obvious that you believe in some form of mythology.
>
>No way, mythology is just that myth. God is real.
And boy is Zeus annoyed at your worship of a false god.
--
Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
rfis...@sonic.net into you -- Nietzsche
JonJ...@aol.com
@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
says...
And which of those definitions do you claim to have used?
None, that I see.
JonJ...@aol.com
@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
says...
>
> "Brian Henderson" <cep...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:mcmq3u08kukir8bvl...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:39:56 GMT, "Raymond" <rwkna...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Sure they have, millions of people proved that, millions today prove just
> > >that daily. There are book shelves full of books that show just that and
> > >prove that God is Real, and always was and always will be. You need to
> > >start reading, then just making yourselves feel good by being in denial.
> >
> > There are bookshelves full of books on many subjects. I guess this
> > means that every deity that has ever been claimed is Real and always
> > was and always will be, huh? There are books about them! And UFOs!
> > Those are real too! There's way too many books on that subject.
>
> Thank God that there are books on all kind of things and teachings, as there
> is lots of proof of God, as shown by millions of books, in hundreds of
> languages. Education is for those that want to learn, ignorant people only
> tell about books but do not read as they don't want to learn. Like a
> person see I have a book, and uses it to sit on. He has a book, which
> unless read is of no value to his brain.
This is totally non responsive to what he said. He said
that just because there are books on a subject doesn't
prove the subject is real. You responded something about
needing to read books.
Answer his point, not wander off on some tangent.
JonJ...@aol.com
@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, rwkna...@yahoo.com
says...
> Just like millions of people on
> this world never seen a TV or a microwave oven, just because they never
> seen, touch or heard of such, doesn't mean such things do not exist.
But some people have. So, again, show us the evidence of
your god.
Cardinal Feng
rwkna...@yahoo.com says...
> Yeah the truth does hurt you doesn't it, then the truth is truth, no matter
> what you wanted it, to be.
Translation: I know you are, but what am I?