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Famous gays - Paul Lynde. (Uncle Arthur from bewitched)

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Another one from bewitched. Pretended he was homophobic for the masses.
***********************

Paul Lynde
Jun. 13, 1927 - Jan. 10, 1982

At a time when coming out was not a possibility, Paul Aloysius Lynde relied
on a number of excuses which explained away his status as a "confirmed,
lifelong bachelor." Often he just told fans his high school sweetheart had
broken his heart, suggesting he was still too hurt to begin dating again. He
served as Uncle Arthur on Bewitched, opposite Agnes Moorehead's Endora -- a
woman he referred to on more than one occasion as "one of the all-time
Hollywood dykes". He made arguably homophobic statements in public, telling
People magazine in 1976, "My following is straight. I'm so glad. Gay people
killed Judy Garland -- but they're not going to kill me."

Lynde himself is among the gayest celebrities the world has ever known.
Chronically cranky, sarcastic and mincing, Lynde's career was also defined
by his voice work as Templeton the rat in Charlotte's Web, and as the
wisecracking centerpiece on television's Hollywood Squares. During his life
he served as comedy writer, nightclub performer, Broadway actor and
director, recording artist, and television pitchman. The man who made the
world "a safer place for sissies," suffered a number of tragedies --
including a constant battle to control his weight, his whisky, and his
depression -- which culminated in an isolated, mysterious death in 1982.

Born in Mount Vernon, Ohio, Paul Lynde was one of six children. Encouraged
by his high school drama coach, he enrolled at Northwestern University's
Speech and Drama School, where in 1948 he was declared Best Student Actor of
the Year. His humor was very much inspired by the New Yorker cartoons
conceived by Charles Addams. Upon graduation, he pursued an acting career in
New York without much success. He survived for four years by waiting tables
and selling blood for five dollars a pint. On Thanksgiving day in 1950, Paul
won an amateur talent contest which led to his first New York nightclub gig.
Other successful club dates followed, and soon he was cast in New Faces of
1952, a hit revue which led to comedy roles in the original stage (and later
screen) production of Bye Bye Birdie.

Lynde's brother died in the Battle of the Bulge -- one of the coldest,
snowiest wars in history, and one of the worst battles in terms of losses to
American forces in World War II. The process of recovering his body from the
war field and bringing him back for a proper burial in the United States
spanned five years, during which time the dead soldier was often
mischaracterized as "missing in action". Rather than secure the closure
which such recoveries provide, the recovery only opened new wounds. Paul's
parents both died of stress and anxiety within weeks of each other.

In the wake of this grief, Lynde devoted all his energies to his career.
From Bye Bye Birdie, he proceeded to get work on the Disney film Son of
Flubber -- the first in a series of character roles which would typecast
Lynde as a snide, cynical little nelly. Although he wearied of this
treatment and believed that someday he'd be accepted as a "legitimate"
actor, his fan base grew exponentially upon witnessing his performance as
persnickety Uncle Arthur in Bewitched.

In 1965, Lynde was vacationing in San Francisco with his 24-year-old
companion Jim Davidson. As a prank, up in their hotel room Davidson made
frantic flapping gestures as if to suggest he could jump from the balcony --
and while doing so, he slipped and fell many stories to his death. Two
police officers standing on the street below saw the whole thing. In a
matter of seconds, they were comforting Lynde, who remembers: "They said,
'Don't worry, Paul, we saw it all. If you need us, we'll be here. We're not
going to let them wipe you out with this.' They knew it looked strange: he
was younger than I was, he was good-looking, and why was he there with me?
Why did he jump? Why did he fall?"

After Bewitched was cancelled, Lynde was selected as a game show panelist.
He didn't offer "dirty" answers on The Hollywood Squares, he delivered
kinky, bitchy responses. He was a regular during its second week in 1966 and
joined full time in the fall of 1968. Less than a decade later, he left the
show after the National Enquirer claimed an "insider" revealed Lynde was
fired because of his drinking problem. The source revealed documentation of
Lynde's nastiness and implied that his alcoholism created a problem for
costars. Even though these facts were common knowledge, Lynde sued the
Enquirer for ten million dollars, chiefly to find out who the insider was.
The case was summarily dismissed, but it ushered in a new era of tabloid
litigation. Some of Lynde's famous quips during Hollywood Squares include:

Q: In the movies, Frankenstein's monster was always big and ugly. And he had
lots of scars. What was his biggest fear?
A: That the girls would be turned off by his big nuts.

Q: According to the old song, "At night, when you're asleep, into your tent
I'll creep." Who am I?
A: The scoutmaster.

Q. Do female frogs croak?
A: If you hold their little heads under water long enough.

Q: Paul, can you get an elephant drunk?
A: Yes, but he still won't go up to your apartment.

Q: Prometheus was tied to the top of a mountain by the gods because he had
given something to man. What did he give us?
A: I don't know what you got, but I got a sports shirt.

Q: Is Billy Graham considered a good dresser?
A: No, but he's a terrific end table.

Q: Is using an electric vibrating machine a good way to lose weight?
A: That's what I told the saleslady, but she just winked.

Q: When is it a good idea to put your pantyhose in the microwave oven for
two minutes?
A: When your house is surrounded by the police.

Q: Why do sheep sleep huddled up?
A: Because Little Boy Blue's a weirdo.

Q: When you pat a dog on its head he will usually wag his tail. What will a
goose do?
A: Make him bark.

Q: What is the name of the instrument with the light on the end, that the
doctor sticks in your ear?
A: Oh, a cigarette.

Q: It is considered in bad taste to discuss two subjects at nudist camps.
One is politics. What is the other?
A: Tape measures.

Q: Paul, why do Hell's Angels wear leather?
A: Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.

Q: Paul, in ancient Rome, bakers were required by law to bake something into
each loaf of bread. What?
A: A Christian.

Q: What is a pullet?
A: A little show of affection.

Q: According to the French Chef, Julia Child, how much is a pinch?
A: Just enough to turn her on.

Q: Who are more likely to be romantically responsive. Women under thirty or
women over thirty?
A: I don't have a third choice?

Sadly, his best performances on Hollywood Squares were left on the cutting
room floor: from time to time he was too drunk or too high on goofballs to
read the ghost-written material. He forgot his lines, and when his hateful
wisecracks were met with boos from the audience, Lynde would attempt to
climb through the monkeybar set and engage in scuffles with the heckler --
much to the consternation of those in the studio.

Nevertheless, the Hollywood Squares gig earned him twice as much money as
his costars and got him a short-lived sitcom, The Paul Lynde Show. The
series, dismissed by critics for its similarities to All in the Family, had
a few novelties going: Lynde got to drink martinis on the show, and the set
design was the first of its kind to feature an actual swimming pool.

Where it failed was believability. Lynde was too much of an ambling,
shambling queen to play the role of an uptight attorney-slash-family-man.
Script writer Ed Jurist noted that "all Lynde had to do was moan 'Oh, my
knees' and he'd get a roar." The show was cancelled after one season,
throwing Lynde's drinking problem into high gear. Supposedly he was the
inspiration for a gag which made its way into the movie Groundhog Day. After
a drunken high speed chase through the San Fernando Valley one night, Lynde
crashed his car into a mailbox. When the cops rushed the scene with their
guns drawn, Lynde lowered his window and ordered a cheeseburger with no
onions and a large Sprite.

Between 1975 and 1979, Lynde had a number of television specials, none of
which had names more exciting than The Paul Lynde Comedy Hour, The Paul
Lynde Halloween Special, Paul Lynde: 'Twas The Night Before Christmas, or
Paul Lynde Goes MA-A-A-AD. Guests included Levar Burton, Harry Morgan, Vicki
Lawrence, Robert Urich, and the irrepressible Charo. An ad in TV Guide
referred to one special as "a sensational, side-splitting salute to
everything evil, mean, nasty and bad -- as only Paul can do it." His
characters included a salacious supermarket clerk, a temperamental guitar
instructor with one arm, and a crossing guard.

One night in January of 1982, Paul missed a dinner appointment with a group
of long-time friends. Concerned, they rushed to his home on North Palm Drive
in Beverly Hills. He was found naked and dead, surrounded by amyl-nitrate
poppers, an inhalant used primarily by gay men to enhance sex. His death was
ruled a heart attack. Funeral services were held at Westwood Village
Memorial Park in California, with interment at Amity Cemetery, Amity, Ohio.
Lynde was survived by his sisters Grace and Helen, and his brothers Richard
and Cordy.


Timeline
13 Jun 1926 Paul Edward Lynde born, Mount Vernon OH.
Fall 1968 Becomes a regular on the Hollywood Squares.
1974 Zingers from Hollywood Squares.
29 Oct 1976 On the Paul Lynde Halloween Special... the rock band KISS. Hires
David Letterman to write jokes.
1978 Paul Lynde arrested in Salt Lake City outside of a gay bar, which ended
his career on The Donny and Marie Show.
1979 Comedy special Paul Lynde Goes MA-A-A-AD, billed as "a sesational,
side-splitting salute to everything evil, mean, nasty and bad-- as only Paul
can do it." With Charo!
1979 Sues the National Enquirer for $10M over claims that he was forced from
his Hollywood Square over "drinking and nastiness."
11 Jan 1982 Paul Lynde dead of a heart attack. Naked. Holding a bottle of
amyl nitrate (poppers.) Whatever boy he was having sex with that night had
run off after Lynde's heart attack, not bothering to call 911.
24 Sep 1995 Radioactive Man episode 2F17 on The Simpsons features a Paul
Lynde-alike as "The Scoutmaster." The voice is actually played by Hank
Azaria.

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a...@hotmail.com says...
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:27:18 +0800, "PErthGUY:Mmv"
> <Tuten...@Egypt.com> wrote:
>
> >Another one
>
> ...and another one
>
> While not as famous as Paul Lynde, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960
> November 28, 1994) was an American homosexual serial killer who
> killed 17 men between 1978 and 1991 (with the majority of the murders
> occurring in 1991).
>
I never heard of Paul Lynde, I've heard of Jeffrey. I think he's
definetely more famous!!!

User

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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:27:18 +0800, "PErthGUY:Mmv"
<Tuten...@Egypt.com> wrote:

>Another one from bewitched. Pretended he was homophobic for the masses.
>***********************
>
>Paul Lynde
>Jun. 13, 1927 - Jan. 10, 1982
>
>At a time when coming out was not a possibility, Paul Aloysius Lynde relied
>on a number of excuses which explained away his status as a "confirmed,
>lifelong bachelor." Often he just told fans his high school sweetheart had
>broken his heart, suggesting he was still too hurt to begin dating again. He
>served as Uncle Arthur on Bewitched, opposite Agnes Moorehead's Endora -- a
>woman he referred to on more than one occasion as "one of the all-time
>Hollywood dykes". He made arguably homophobic statements in public, telling
>People magazine in 1976, "My following is straight. I'm so glad. Gay people
>killed Judy Garland -- but they're not going to kill me."
>
>Lynde himself is among the gayest celebrities the world has ever known.
>Chronically cranky, sarcastic and mincing, Lynde's career was also defined
>by his voice work as Templeton the rat in Charlotte's Web, and as the
>wisecracking centerpiece on television's Hollywood Squares. During his life
>he served as comedy writer, nightclub performer, Broadway actor and
>director, recording artist, and television pitchman. The man who made the
>world "a safer place for sissies," suffered a number of tragedies --
>including a constant battle to control his weight, his whisky, and his
>depression -- which culminated in an isolated, mysterious death in 1982.

And that is a typical way for a sodomite to go out: if not by
disease, then by drugs and/or alcohol.

>
>Born in Mount Vernon, Ohio, Paul Lynde was one of six children. Encouraged
>by his high school drama coach, he enrolled at Northwestern University's
>Speech and Drama School, where in 1948 he was declared Best Student Actor of
>the Year. His humor was very much inspired by the New Yorker cartoons
>conceived by Charles Addams. Upon graduation, he pursued an acting career in
>New York without much success. He survived for four years by waiting tables
>and selling blood for five dollars a pint.

Thank God that was before AIDS, although one has to wonder what other
sodomite diseases he might have picked up and passed on through the
blood sales.

>On Thanksgiving day in 1950, Paul
>won an amateur talent contest which led to his first New York nightclub gig.
>Other successful club dates followed, and soon he was cast in New Faces of
>1952, a hit revue which led to comedy roles in the original stage (and later
>screen) production of Bye Bye Birdie.
>
>Lynde's brother died in the Battle of the Bulge -- one of the coldest,
>snowiest wars in history, and one of the worst battles in terms of losses to
>American forces in World War II. The process of recovering his body from the
>war field and bringing him back for a proper burial in the United States
>spanned five years, during which time the dead soldier was often
>mischaracterized as "missing in action". Rather than secure the closure
>which such recoveries provide, the recovery only opened new wounds. Paul's
>parents both died of stress and anxiety within weeks of each other.
>
>In the wake of this grief, Lynde devoted all his energies to his career.
>From Bye Bye Birdie, he proceeded to get work on the Disney film Son of
>Flubber -- the first in a series of character roles which would typecast
>Lynde as a snide, cynical little nelly. Although he wearied of this
>treatment and believed that someday he'd be accepted as a "legitimate"
>actor, his fan base grew exponentially upon witnessing his performance as
>persnickety Uncle Arthur in Bewitched.

Too bad he had to throw his life away to sodomy.

>
>In 1965, Lynde was vacationing in San Francisco with his 24-year-old
>companion Jim Davidson. As a prank, up in their hotel room Davidson made
>frantic flapping gestures as if to suggest he could jump from the balcony --
>and while doing so, he slipped and fell many stories to his death. Two
>police officers standing on the street below saw the whole thing. In a
>matter of seconds, they were comforting Lynde, who remembers: "They said,
>'Don't worry, Paul, we saw it all. If you need us, we'll be here. We're not
>going to let them wipe you out with this.' They knew it looked strange: he
>was younger than I was, he was good-looking, and why was he there with me?
>Why did he jump? Why did he fall?"

Perhaps it was God's way of telling Lynde: "don't be a sodomite!"

I suppose sodomites need drugs to make their perverse 'sex' seem
normal.

Jenn

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In article <9755e1dqruvhg6afc...@4ax.com>,
FAM-4321 <920...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:27:18 +0800, "PErthGUY:Mmv"
> <Tuten...@Egypt.com> wrote:
>
> >Another one
>

> ...and another one
>
> While not as famous as Paul Lynde, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960
> – November 28, 1994) was an American homosexual serial killer who
> killed 17 men between 1978 and 1991 (with the majority of the murders
> occurring in 1991).

<snip>

LOL You folks crack me up. Pointless, but funny.

Jenn

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User <user@1.2> wrote:

A lie. You're well practiced in telling them.

Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jennconducts-

>
> LOL You folks crack me up. Pointless, but funny.

Yeah, you got the point.

The proof is in your attempt
to gloss over the article.

It would had been smarter to keep your yap shut,
but then I am referring to you so...smart is out of the question.


Andrealphus

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"Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jennconducts-
>>
>> LOL You folks crack me up. Pointless, but funny.
>
> Yeah, you got the point.
>

That it was pointless.


Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> A lie. You're well practiced in telling them.

I can't help but notice you bring nothing but your opinion.
Bring a few examples up when running your mouth.
That way you can have your ass handed back on a paper plate.


ramrodswordofbaal

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"User" <user@1.2> wrote in message
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> And that is a typical way for a sodomite to go out: if not by
> disease, then by drugs and/or alcohol.

Interesting what a hateful evil person you are.

Mind you we have come to expect it from the so called Christians, who must
drive away normal folks from the church with their hatred.

Of course User never posts any facts and figures to back up his lying
statements, because he cannot, as he makes it up as he goes along, typical
of his ilk.

ramrodswordofbaal

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"FAM-4321" <920...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:27:18 +0800, "PErthGUY:Mmv"
> <Tuten...@Egypt.com> wrote:
>
>>Another one
>
> ...and another one
>
> While not as famous as Paul Lynde, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960
> - November 28, 1994)


Well Dahmer was certainly infamous, as well as an American.........


But if you wish to make a list of famous Gays, well you might like to
include these few.............


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Peter Allen
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James Baldwin
(August 2, 1924 - November 30, 1987)
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Baldwin in Harlem,

Clive Barker
(October 5, 1952)
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born in Liverpool and studied English literature and philosophy at Liverpool
University.

Leonard Bernstein
(August 25, 1918 - October 14, 1990)
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Dirk Bogarde
(March 28, 1921 - May 8, 1999)
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van den Bogaerde

Boy George
(June 14, 1961)
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(December 27, 1944)
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James Buchanan
(April 23, 1791 - June 1, 1868)
American president from 1857 to 1861, born near Mercersburg, Pennsylvania

Truman Capote
(September 30, 1924 - August 25, 1984)
American writer, playwright and journalist, whose original name is Truman
Streckfus Persons. He was born in New Orleans.

Julian Clary
(May 25, 1959)
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Montgomery Clift
(October 17, 1920 - July 23, 1966)
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Noël Coward
(December 16, 1899 - March 26, 1973)
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Quentin Crisp
(December 25, 1908 - November 21, 1999)
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James Dean
(February 8, 1931 - September 30, 1955)
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Lord Alfred Douglas
(October 22, 1870 - March 20, 1945)
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Don Dunstan

(September 21, 1926-February 6, 1999)

Premier of South Australia.

Awarded Companion of the Order of Australia June 1979.

Chairman, Victorian Tourist Commission 1982 - 1987
National President, Freedom From Hunger Campaign 1982 - 1987
Chairman, Nelson Mandela Foundation 1987 - 1993
President, Movement for Democracy in Fiji from 1987
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Adjunct Professor, Department of Social Enquiry, The University of Adelaide
1997.

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(September 19, 1934 - August 27, 1967)
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and the Dakotas and Cilla Black. He was born in Liverpool as Brian Samuel
Epstein

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(December 25, 1944 - April 4, 1995)
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Rupert Everett
(May 29, 1959)
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(May 31, 1945 - June 10, 1982)
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Harvey Fierstein
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(June 13, 1939)
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have their own shows in Las Vegas as 'Siegfried & Roy'

E.M. Forster
(January 1, 1879 - June 7, 1970)
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Tonbridge in Kent and King's College, Cambridge. A few of his books were
made into films

Stephen C. Foster
(July 4, 1826 - January 13, 1864)
American composer/songwriter. Stephen Collins Foster was born in
Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania.

George Gershwin
(September 26, 1898 - July 11, 1937)
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Brooklyn, New York. He wrote several evergreens together with lyricist
brother Ira. His real name was Jacob Gershovitz.

Sir John Gielgud
(April 14, 1904 - May 21, 2000)
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Gielgud. In 1981 he won an Oscar for his role as butler in 'Arthur'

King Gustav V
(June 16, 1858 - October 19, 1950)
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(January 24, 76 AD - July 10, 138 AD)
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Lorenz Hart
(May 1, 1895 - November 22, 1943)
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Lorenz Milton

Sir Nigel Hawthorne
(April 5, 1929 - December 26, 2001)
British actor and director, born as Nigel Barnard Hawthorne in Coventry.

Henri III /Hendrik III
(September 19, 1551 - August 2, 1589)
King of France from 1574 to 1589.

Rico Hoffman
(November 26, 1979)
German singer and member of the German gay popgroup 'Marilyn's boys', who
was born in Mannheim.

John Edgar Hoover
(January 1, 1895 - May 2, 1972)
American head of the FBI, born in Washington, DC. He studied law at George
Washington University and graduated in 1917.

Roy Horn
(October 3, 1944)
German magician and animal trainer, who performs together with his partner
Siegfried Fischbacher as 'Siegfried & Roy' in Las Vegas. Horn was born in
Nordenham as Roy Uwe Ludwig Horn.

Frankie Howerd
(March 6, 1917 - April 19, 1992)
British comedian and actor, born in York as Francis Alick Howerd.

Rock Hudson
(November 17, 1925 - October 2, 1985)
American actor, whose real name was Roy Harold Scherer Jr. Hudson was born
in Winnetka, Illinois

Christopher Isherwood
(August 26, 1904 - January 4, 1986)
British writer and playwright, whose full name was Christopher William
Bradshaw Isherwood. Isherwood was born in Disley, Cheshire. He studied at
Cambridge. In 1929 he went to Berlin, where he stayed for four years. The
musical 'Cabaret' is inspired on his book 'Goodbye to Berlin'. In 1946 he
became an American citizen

Elton John
(March 25, 1947)
British pop singer and composer, born in Pinner, Middlesex, England as
Reginald Kenneth Dwight. He began his career writing songs together with
lyricist Bernie Taupin. He was the first artist to enter the American Charts
with an album at no. 1 and he was the first Rock artist to tour the USSR (in
1979). In 1984 he married Renate Blauel and the marriage lasted 5 years. His
tribute to princess Diana 'Candle in the wind' is the best selling single of
all times (33 million).Together with lyricist Tim Rice, Elton John has
written the lyrics and music for the musicals 'Aida' and 'The Lion King' and
the movie 'The Road to Eldorado'.

Mychal (Michael) Judge
(May 11, 1933 - September 11, 2001)
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New York. Judge perished when he administered last rites near the scene of
the terrorists attack at the World Trade Center.

Michael Kirby
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President of the New South Wales Court of Appeal, having been appointed to
that office in September 1984 until 1996

Leonardo da Vinci
(1452- may 2 1519)
Italian painter, sculptor and architect. Maker of the 'Mona Lisa'.

Frederick (Fritz) Loewe
(June 10, 1901 - February 14, 1988)
American composer, born in Berlin, Germany. In 1925 he went to the USA and
in New York he met lyricist Alan Jay Lerner, with whom he later created many
musicals

Ludwig II
(August 25, 1845 - June 13, 1886)
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Munich as son to Crown Prince Maximilian and Princess Marie of Prussia

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American writer, born in Washington, D.C., who wrote 'Tales of the city'
series. The first three books (Tales of the city, More tales of the city and
Further tales of the city) were filmed for television with a.o. Olympia
Dukakis.

Sir Ian Murray McKellen
(May 5, 1939)
British actor, born in Burnley, England. He was nominated for an Oscar for
his role in "Gods and Monsters".

Freddie Mercury
(September 5, 1946 - 24 November 1991)
British popstar, born in Zanzibar, Tanzania, as Faroukh Bulsara. His family
moved to India in 1947. In 1963 they moved to England. Mercury was
leadsinger of the popgroup Queen and he also did some solo recordings

George Michael
(June 25, 1963)
British singer and songwriter, whose real name is Georgios Kyriacos
Panayiotou. He was born in London and started his singing career together
with Andrew Ridgeley in the popgroup Wham!.

Michelangelo (Bounarotti)
(March 6, 1475 - February 18, 1564)
Italian sculptor, painter, architect and poet, born in Florence. Well known
for the statue of David (1504).

Sal Mineo
(January 10, 1939 - February 12, 1976)
American actor, director and singer, born in Harlem, New York as Salvatore
Mineo Jr

Sir Isaac Newton
(December 25, 1642 - March 20, 1727)
British mathematician, scientist, and alchemist, born in Colsterworth,
Lincolnshire.

Rudolf Noerejev (also written as Nureyev)
(March 17, 1938 - January 6, 1993)
Russian ballet dancer and actor, born in Irkutsk, USSR. He danced with the
Kirov ballet group, when he defected in Paris in 1961. He went to London and
danced with the British ballet.

Ramón Novarro
(February 6, 1899 - October 30, 1968)
Mexican actor, born as José Ramón Gil Samaniegos in Durango

Ivor Novello
(January 15, 1893 - March 6, 1951)
British actor, playwright and composer, born in Cardiff as David Ivor
Davies. Novello also wrote under the names David L'Estrange and H.E.S.
Davidson.

Anthony Perkins
April 4, 1932 - September 12, 1992)
American actor. Had his greatest success with his role as Norman Bates in
Alfred Hitchcock's 'Psycho'.

Plato
(428-347 B.C.)
Greek philosopher, born in Athens.

Cole Porter
(June 9, 1893 - October 15, 1964)
American composer, who wrote evergreens like 'Love for sale' and 'I get a
kick out of you'. He was born in Peru, Indiana. He composed his first song
when he was 10 years old

Ian Roberts
(July 31, 1965)
British actor and former rugby player, born in London, England. Played as an
Australian Rugby League International. He was the first player to openly
declare his homosexuality in 1994

Reverend V. Gene Robinson
(May 29, 1947)
American bishop of New Hampshire, born in Lexington, Kentucky . He was, in
2003, the first openly gay man in the Episcopal Church to be elected as a
bishop.

Yves Saint Laurent
(August 1, 1936)
French fashion designer, born in Oran, Algeria, as Yves Henri Donat Mathieu
Saint Laurent. In 1954 he moved to Paris to study at the Ecole de la Chambre
Syndicale. In Paris he was hired by Christian Dior

Jerry Smith
(1943 - October 1986)
American football player who played with the Washington Redskins from
1965-1977.

Socrates
(469-399 BC)
Greek philosopher.

William Somerset Maugham
(January 25, 1874 - December 16, 1965)
British writer and playwright, born in Paris, France. At the age of 10
Maugham was orphaned and sent to England to live with his uncle. He received
his education at King's School, Canterbury, Heildelberg University in
Germany and St. Thomas Hospital, London.

Peter Iljits Tsjaikowsky (also written as Tchaikovsky or Tchaikovski)
(May 7, 1840 - November 6, 1893)
Russian composer, born in Kamsko-Votkinsk.

Alan M. Turing
(June 23, 1912 - June 7, 1954)
British Mathematician, philisopher anf founder of computer-science. Alan
Mathison Turing was born in Paddington, London.

Gore Vidal
(October 3, 1925)
American writer and playwright, born as Eugene Luther Gore Vidal Jr. in West
Point, New York.

Andy Warhol
(August 6, 1927 - February 23, 1987)
American artist/painter/filmmaker/society figure, born in Forest City,
Pennsylvania as Andrew Warhola jr

Mark Welsh
American triathlete and founder and member of Team Flame, a team of openly
gay professional athletes. Mark studied at Purdue University in Indiana.

Oscar Wilde
(October 16, 1854 - November 30, 1900)
Irish writer and playwright, born as Oscar Fingal O'Flaherty Wills Wilde.

Kenneth Williams
(february 2, 1926 - april 15, 1988)
British actor, comedian and writer. He was born in London as Kenneth Charles
Williams.

Tennessee Williams
(march 26, 1911 - february 25, 1983)
American playwright, born in Columbus, Mississippi as Thomas Lanier Williams


Johannes v Ebersdorf

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<RamRod Sword of Baal> wrote in message news:42e2...@quokka.wn.com.au...
Dalmer wasn't gay. His victims were young gay men. Dalmer himself may have
been a self-hating closet case whose self-image was poisoned by American
fundies.

Brent Norman

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FAM-4321 wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:27:18 +0800, "PErthGUY:Mmv"
> <Tuten...@Egypt.com> wrote:
>
> >Another one
>
> ...and another one
>
> While not as famous as Paul Lynde, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960

> - November 28, 1994) was an American homosexual serial killer who


> killed 17 men between 1978 and 1991 (with the majority of the murders
> occurring in 1991).

Was Paul Lynde a serial killer? I don't see the relevance of such a
"comparison".

Death

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"Johannes v Ebersdorf" <ebers...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message

> >
> Dalmer wasn't gay. His victims were young gay men. Dalmer himself may have
> been a self-hating closet case whose self-image was poisoned by American
> fundies.
>
16k of bullshit snipped

How do you know his victims were happy young men?


User

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What I just stated is a well known fact - sodomites are more likely to
use drugs for recreational purposes than heterosexuals. But, in order
to refresh your short memory, I have attached some facts and figures.


from http://www.amazinginfoonhomosexuals.com/substance_use.htm

Homosexuality and Mental Health Issues

Homosexuality and Substance Use : If a recreational drug is out there,
male homosexuals use it. However, some drugs are more popular among
male homosexuals than others, (1) especially poppers (nitrites),
ecstasy, and methamphetamine, which they use to enhance sex. (2)

Drug-using homosexual and bisexual men are more likely to use multiple
drugs than drug-using heterosexual men. (1) Both quantitative and
qualitative data suggest that many drugs have a strong sexual meaning
for homosexual and bisexual men; (1, 3) i.e., nonheterosexual men are
not trying to seek medication for their sorrows, but using drugs to
enhance sexual pleasure.

By the mid-late 1980s and continuing till 1992, American male
homosexuals manifested reduced consumption of alcohol and various
other drugs ; this likely happened because the more promiscuous
homosexuals had died of AIDS and most of the remaining homosexuals
ended up believing that stimulants such as cocaine, crack, and
amphetamines increased the likelihood of HIV infection and worsened
the health of HIV-positive individuals. (4, 5 ) It would have been
premature at this point to claim that decreasing prejudice toward
homosexuality was responsible for the decrease in drug use among male
homosexuals; besides, drug use declined in the general population
itself during this period. (4) On the other hand, Stall et al.
interviewed a probability sample (telephone-based) of 2,172 MSM in
Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco between November
1996 and Feb 1998. (6 ) The current (past 6 months) drug use
prevalence was: recreational drug use, 52%; alcohol use, 85%; multiple
drug use (three or more drugs other than alcohol), 18%; three or more
alcohol-related problems, 12%; frequent drug use, 19%; heavy–frequent
alcohol use, 8%; nitrites use, 1 in 5; marijuana use, 50%; powder
cocaine, 1 in 6; and ecstasy, 1 in 10. (6) For comparison purposes,
the prevalence of drug use in the past year among American men at the
time was: marijuana use, 10.8%; cocaine use, 2.3%; and stimulant use,
0.9%. (7) The discrepancy between MSM and heterosexual men is much
greater for the use of illegal drugs than alcohol consumption. (6)

The CDC reported in 1996 that among homosexual and bisexual men with
AIDS, 11% reported injection drug use and 20% of all male injection
drug users with AIDS also reported sex with men. (3, 8) Most studies
reveal that drug-injecting homosexual and bisexual men prefer cocaine
or amphetamines (alone or in combination with heroin), and, more
rarely, heroin alone. (3)

In general, homosexual and bisexual men more involved in substance
use, whether injecting drugs or not, are more likely to participate in
risky sexual behaviors, (3) but this relationship may not hold for
alcohol. (9, 10)

Drug injecting homosexual/bisexual men have higher rates of HIV
infection and sexual risk-taking behaviors than homosexual/bisexual
men who do not inject drugs or heterosexual men who inject drugs. (3 )
For instance, Deren et al. reported that among drug injecting and
crack smoking men, homosexuals and bisexuals reported more partners, a
higher incidence of exchanging sex for drugs or money, and were more
likely to be HIV-positive (57%) than heterosexual men (7%). (11)
Behaviorally bisexual drug injecting men appear more likely to share
needles in the past 6 months and to trade sex for money and drugs than
exclusively heterosexual or homosexual men. (12)

Many studies have reported that HIV-negative homosexual and bisexual
men with higher non-injecting substance use are more likely to become
infected with HIV than those with lower substance use. (3, 13)

Goode and Troiden described 150 homosexual men, a third each from
Manhattan, Suffolk County (a suburb of New York City), and
Minneapolis, ages 20-40 years (Table 1). (14) As Table 1 shows, more
frequent use of nitrites goes with more prolific sexual behavior.
Homosexuals use drugs such as nitrites to relax their internal anal
sphincter in order to allow the insertion of fists or other large
objects. (15, 16; see here also) Nitrites act like the drug, Viagra ,
helping to relax smooth muscle cells. The internal anal sphincter is a
smooth muscle. The relaxation of the smooth muscle cells of arteries
facilitates and prolongs erection, and decreases blood pressure.
Nitrite intake decreases blood pressure and reduces the amount of
hemoglobin capable of binding oxygen, thereby temporarily reducing
oxygen supply to the brain. Sexual pleasure derived via brain
hypo-oxygenation is a form of sexual masochism, the prevalence of
which is considerably higher among homosexuals (see here).

Other than prolonging erection and enhancing orgasmic pleasure, drug
use by male homosexuals appears to facilitate their involvement in
risky sexual practices by decreasing both anxiety and
self-observation. (4) Anxiety and self-observation diminish sexual
pleasure. Indeed, both alcohol and stimulants help decrease
inhibitions.

Little prejudice is directed toward homosexuality among women compared
to men, and homosexual women have, on average, a higher socioeconomic
status than heterosexual women (17, 18) – yet homosexual women
manifest elevated alcohol intake and other drug use compared to
heterosexual women (see here ). Clearly, discrimination and prejudice
can hardly account for elevated drug use among homosexuals. For other
studies on elevated substance use among nonheterosexuals, see 1, 2, 3.

Table 1: Nitrite Use and Sexual Behavior Among Homosexuals
At None
least during
once past
Characteristic weekly* 6 months**

Venereal disease 78% 48%
Robbed 33% 14%
Assaulted 22% 11%
Had sex with same partner < half the time 44% 22%
Drunk weekly or more 48% 23%
Had 500 or more partners since age 18 38% 17%
Have had sex with 6 or more partners < 21 52% 16%
Likely to have engaged in group sex 96% 65%
Sexual intercourse at least thrice weekly in past year 67% 33%
Notes: *number = 27, **number = 65

It is of some interest to note that substance use disorders occur in
approximately 40-50% of individuals with schizophrenia. (19) Substance
use disorders are associated with incarceration, homelessness,
violence, and suicide among schizophrenics. (19 ) Interestingly, there
is little evidence “that schizophrenic symptoms lead to substance use
(self-medication), that substance use leads to schizophrenia, or that
there is a genetic relationship between schizophrenia and substance
use.” (19)

As a general rule, substance use disorders are elevated among mentally
ill individuals, and notably so for prisoners, schizophrenics, and
individuals with antisocial personality disorder or bipolar disorder.
(20) Nonheterosexuals are overrepresented among schizophrenics (see
here), individuals with personality disorders (see here), and
individuals with mood disorders (see here).

References:

1. R. Stall, J. Wiley, Drug Alcohol Depend 22, 63 (Oct, 1988).
2. L. Lewis, M. Ross, A select body: The gay dance party subculture
and the HIV/AIDS pandemic. (Cassell, New York, 1995), pp.
3. R. Stall, D. W. Purcell, AIDS Behav 4, 181 (2000).
4. D. G. Ostrow, AIDS Behav 4, 205 (2000).
5. G. M. Crosby, R. D. Stall, J. P. Paul, D. C. Barrett, Drug
Alcohol Depend 52, 177 (Nov 1, 1998).
6. R. Stall et al., Addiction 96, 1589 (Nov, 2001).
7. DHHS, “National household survey on drug abuse: summary of
findings from 1999” (Department of Health and Human Services,
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Office of
Applied Studies, 2000).
8. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention., 1996), vol. 8, pp.
10.
9. P. Weatherburn et al., Aids 7, 115 (Jan, 1993).
10. T. J. McManus, P. Weatherburn, Br Med Bull 50, 115 (Jan, 1994).
11. S. Deren, A. Estrada, M. Stark, M. Goldstein, Drugs Soc 9, 97
(1996).
12. R. J. Wolitski, G. L. Humfleet, J. A. Lee, N. H. Corby, paper
presented at the Eighth International Conference on AIDS, Amsterdam,
Netherlands 1992.
13. M. A. Chesney, D. C. Barrett, R. Stall, Am J Public Health 88,
113 (Jan, 1998).
14. E. Goode, R. R. Troiden, Am J Psychiatry 136, 1067 (Aug, 1979).
15. L. M. Labataille, Med Aspects Hum Sexuality 9, 122 (1975).
16. T. J. Haley, Clin Toxicol 16, 317 (May, 1980).
17. B. G. Valanis et al., Arch Fam Med 9, 843 (Sep-Oct, 2000).
18. E. D. Rothblum, R. Factor, Psychol Sci 12, 63 (2001).
19. J. J. Blanchard, S. A. Brown, W. P. Horan, A. R. Sherwood, Clin
Psychol Rev 20, 207 (Mar, 2000).
20. D. A. Regier et al., Jama 264, 2511 (Nov 21, 1990).


Jenn

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In article <WbzEe.21757$do5....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:

> "Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jennconducts-
> >
> > LOL You folks crack me up. Pointless, but funny.
>
> Yeah, you got the point.

No, I didn't, as there is no cogent point.


>
> The proof is in your attempt
> to gloss over the article.

No gloss needed; there is no point.


>
> It would had been smarter to keep your yap shut,
> but then I am referring to you so...smart is out of the question.

Of course you want me to stop posting! LOL Too damn bad.

Jenn

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In article <gfzEe.21758$do5....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:

LOL Riiiiiight! OK, defend your statement that it is "typical" (i.e.
normal) for a gay person to die of disease or drugs/alcohol.

James Riske

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Oh no, there's that website that points out the facts about faggots,
faggots really hate it when they see that site because they know they
can't refute anything the site says about them.


"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."--Edmund Burke

Brent Norman

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User wrote:

> >Lynde himself is among the gayest celebrities the world has ever known.
> >Chronically cranky, sarcastic and mincing, Lynde's career was also defined
> >by his voice work as Templeton the rat in Charlotte's Web, and as the
> >wisecracking centerpiece on television's Hollywood Squares. During his life
> >he served as comedy writer, nightclub performer, Broadway actor and
> >director, recording artist, and television pitchman. The man who made the
> >world "a safer place for sissies," suffered a number of tragedies --
> >including a constant battle to control his weight, his whisky, and his
> >depression -- which culminated in an isolated, mysterious death in 1982.
>
> And that is a typical way for a sodomite to go out: if not by
> disease, then by drugs and/or alcohol.

More like the typical way for a celebrity to go out.

>
> >
> >Born in Mount Vernon, Ohio, Paul Lynde was one of six children. Encouraged
> >by his high school drama coach, he enrolled at Northwestern University's
> >Speech and Drama School, where in 1948 he was declared Best Student Actor of
> >the Year. His humor was very much inspired by the New Yorker cartoons
> >conceived by Charles Addams. Upon graduation, he pursued an acting career in
> >New York without much success. He survived for four years by waiting tables
> >and selling blood for five dollars a pint.
>
> Thank God that was before AIDS, although one has to wonder what other
> sodomite diseases he might have picked up and passed on through the
> blood sales.

Who knows. Such a loaded prejudicial statement, though. Clever, in a
sinister way.


>
> >On Thanksgiving day in 1950, Paul
> >won an amateur talent contest which led to his first New York nightclub gig.
> >Other successful club dates followed, and soon he was cast in New Faces of
> >1952, a hit revue which led to comedy roles in the original stage (and later
> >screen) production of Bye Bye Birdie.
> >
> >Lynde's brother died in the Battle of the Bulge -- one of the coldest,
> >snowiest wars in history, and one of the worst battles in terms of losses to
> >American forces in World War II. The process of recovering his body from the
> >war field and bringing him back for a proper burial in the United States
> >spanned five years, during which time the dead soldier was often
> >mischaracterized as "missing in action". Rather than secure the closure
> >which such recoveries provide, the recovery only opened new wounds. Paul's
> >parents both died of stress and anxiety within weeks of each other.
> >
> >In the wake of this grief, Lynde devoted all his energies to his career.
> >From Bye Bye Birdie, he proceeded to get work on the Disney film Son of
> >Flubber -- the first in a series of character roles which would typecast
> >Lynde as a snide, cynical little nelly. Although he wearied of this
> >treatment and believed that someday he'd be accepted as a "legitimate"
> >actor, his fan base grew exponentially upon witnessing his performance as
> >persnickety Uncle Arthur in Bewitched.
>
> Too bad he had to throw his life away to sodomy.

"Sodomy" (or lack thereof), in itself, does not a life make/break.

>
> >
> >In 1965, Lynde was vacationing in San Francisco with his 24-year-old
> >companion Jim Davidson. As a prank, up in their hotel room Davidson made
> >frantic flapping gestures as if to suggest he could jump from the balcony --
> >and while doing so, he slipped and fell many stories to his death. Two
> >police officers standing on the street below saw the whole thing. In a
> >matter of seconds, they were comforting Lynde, who remembers: "They said,
> >'Don't worry, Paul, we saw it all. If you need us, we'll be here. We're not
> >going to let them wipe you out with this.' They knew it looked strange: he
> >was younger than I was, he was good-looking, and why was he there with me?
> >Why did he jump? Why did he fall?"
>
> Perhaps it was God's way of telling Lynde: "don't be a sodomite!"

What a silly conclusion. Once you begin to assign Godly motives to a
tragedy, it's a slippery slope to chaos. If God was indeed behind that
event, maybe it was God's way of telling Lynde: "Don't jump off
balconies!" lol.


> >One night in January of 1982, Paul missed a dinner appointment with a group
> >of long-time friends. Concerned, they rushed to his home on North Palm Drive
> >in Beverly Hills. He was found naked and dead, surrounded by amyl-nitrate
> >poppers, an inhalant used primarily by gay men to enhance sex.
>
> I suppose sodomites need drugs to make their perverse 'sex' seem
> normal.

TONS(the vast majority) of "sodomites" have no need for drugs at all to

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Brent Norman

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 23 Jul 2005 16:23:13 -0700, "Brent Norman"

> Jeffrey Dahmer was a famous homosexual. Did you read he subject line
> before you posted?

What are you trying to prove?

Andrealphus

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<def...@easynews.com> wrote in message
news:lh56e1ptm1pc6bs8l...@4ax.com...
> Not pointless at all.

No, it was quite pointless.


Brent Norman

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James Riske wrote:

> Oh no, there's that website that points out the facts about faggots,
> faggots really hate it when they see that site because they know they
> can't refute anything the site says about them.
>

A veritable treasure-trove of misinformation, misrepresentation,
convenient omission, and absence of equivalent, comparative data on
heterosexuals.

Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Of course you want me to stop posting!

That is a lie.

Without faggots, this would be alt flame fucking
and I couldn't stand for that!


Jenn

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In article <YAFEe.25019$TU....@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:

Then why did you suggest that I "keep my yap shut"? As always, you are
illogical.

Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>
> > "Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > A lie. You're well practiced in telling them.
> >
> > I can't help but notice you bring nothing but your opinion.
> > Bring a few examples up when running your mouth.
> > That way you can have your ass handed back on a paper plate.
>
> LOL Riiiiiight! OK, defend your statement that it is "typical" (i.e.
> normal) for a gay person to die of disease or drugs/alcohol.

I will defend that statement.....
just as soon as you show I made it!

This is your opportunity to shine,
show me you are more than just another asshole
running off at the cocksucker with shit4brains.

Jenn

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In article <dOFEe.25073$TU.1...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:

> "Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
> >
> > > "Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > A lie. You're well practiced in telling them.
> > >
> > > I can't help but notice you bring nothing but your opinion.
> > > Bring a few examples up when running your mouth.
> > > That way you can have your ass handed back on a paper plate.
> >
> > LOL Riiiiiight! OK, defend your statement that it is "typical" (i.e.
> > normal) for a gay person to die of disease or drugs/alcohol.
>
> I will defend that statement.....
> just as soon as you show I made it!

My error. It was the other bigot "User".

James Riske

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On 23 Jul 2005 21:53:10 -0700, "Brent Norman"
<nellig...@hotmail.com> wrote:

If that is true then why have you not been able to prove it?
I'm sure Erik would be delighted to have someone correct his work if
it can be proven that he is in error.
Since I do talk to Erik from time to time then why don't you contact
him with your quarrels about his site, if he tells you he is wrong I
can verify it by contacting him myself.

http://www.amazinginfoonhomosexuals.com/index.htm
The great majority of the citations within this site and within the
book are taken from peer-reviewed science and medical journals listed
in the National Library of Medicine Database.
Scroll down for additional information about this site.
Sincerely,
Erik Holland

Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>
> > "Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > Of course you want me to stop posting!
> >
> > That is a lie.
> >
> > Without faggots, this would be alt flame fucking
> > and I couldn't stand for that!
>
> Then why did you suggest that I "keep my yap shut"? As always, you are
> illogical.

that is not what you said earlier, absent any quote from me.
if your posting skills lacks, how is that my fault?

here it is again to refresh your memory
```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jennconducts-
>
> LOL You folks crack me up. Pointless, but funny.

Yeah, you got the point.

The proof is in your attempt


to gloss over the article.

It would had been smarter to keep your yap shut,


but then I am referring to you so...smart is out of the question.

``````````````````````````````````````````
the topic was not for you to stop posting as you claim, liar..er...bigot.
lol, the topic was about you being smart


Brent Norman

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While some of the sources are legitimate cites, they fail to present
the other side of the story. In a contextual vacuum, footnotes mean
nothing without the actual article in question. And they beg the
question, if the data in there are so true, then we should all be dead
in a couple years if all these things are against us, yet many of us
live happy, healthy lives devoid of the oddities portrayed on that
site.

Additionally, the absence of corresponding data on heterosexuals makes
it difficult to juxtapose the two "lifestyles" in any meaningful way,
and highlights the inherent bias present. When this site first
materialized several years ago, it did appear to be an impartial
resource, even claimed to be such. Obviously, this physiologist turned
activist had different ideas.

I'd be extremely eager to analyze the entire site and its cites for
validity, however, I don't have access to many of the obscure
references quoted, nor the time to fully investigate them all. I may,
however, take a stab at a handful of them, especially the more unusual
claims, as they come up.

Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > > "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can't help but notice you bring nothing but your opinion.
> > > > Bring a few examples up when running your mouth.
> > > > That way you can have your ass handed back on a paper plate.
> > >
> > > LOL Riiiiiight! OK, defend your statement that it is "typical" (i.e.
> > > normal) for a gay person to die of disease or drugs/alcohol.
> >
> > I will defend that statement.....
> > just as soon as you show I made it!

>This is your opportunity to shine,


>show me you are more than just another asshole
>running off at the cocksucker with shit4brains.

>


> My error. It was the other bigot "User".

You've just had your ass handed to you on a paper plate.

Like I said, you bring nothing but your opinion and
you have demonstrated what that is worth.


ramrodswordofbaal

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> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:30:08 +1000, <RamRod Sword of Baal> wrote:
>
>>
>>"FAM-4321" <920...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:9755e1dqruvhg6afc...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:27:18 +0800, "PErthGUY:Mmv"
>>> <Tuten...@Egypt.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Another one
>>>
>>> ...and another one
>>>
>>> While not as famous as Paul Lynde, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960
>>> - November 28, 1994)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Well Dahmer was certainly infamous, as well as an American.........
>>
>>
>> But if you wish to make a list of famous Gays, well you might like to
>>include these few.............
>
>
>
> PROOF?

Proof that they are gay?

Too many you choose a couple.


ramrodswordofbaal

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"User" <user@1.2> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:20:08 +1000, <RamRod Sword of Baal> wrote:
>
>>
>>"User" <user@1.2> wrote in message
>>news:kf85e15ev9dplgohp...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> And that is a typical way for a sodomite to go out: if not by
>>> disease, then by drugs and/or alcohol.
>>
>>Interesting what a hateful evil person you are.
>>
>>Mind you we have come to expect it from the so called Christians, who must
>>drive away normal folks from the church with their hatred.
>>
>>Of course User never posts any facts and figures to back up his lying
>>statements, because he cannot, as he makes it up as he goes along, typical
>>of his ilk.
>>
>>
>
> What I just stated is a well known fact - sodomites are more likely to
> use drugs for recreational purposes than heterosexuals. But, in order
> to refresh your short memory, I have attached some facts and figures.
>
>
> from http://www.amazinginfoonhomosexuals.com/substance_use.htm

No it is NOT a well know fact outside of bigots who produce their "OWN"
facts to suit themselves, BTW your statement was "that is a typical way for

a sodomite to go out: if not by
disease, then by drugs and/or alcohol".

.

As for the foon-hoon, for goodness sake get someone who at least can put a
few letters after his or her name, not some bigot who has no qualifications.

Why is it that you bigots cannot get any sort of official source for your
data, like the AMA, APA or Government? Could it be that they do not
subscribe to your fantasies........


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Brent Norman

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 23 Jul 2005 19:27:30 -0700, "Brent Norman"


> <nellig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >TONS(the vast majority) of "sodomites" have no need for drugs at all to
> >make their "perverse sex" seem "normal".
>

> Homosexuals love that longevity produced by meth though.

hmmm. It's most certainly not limited to homosexuals:

http://www.hnrc.ucsd.edu/publications_pdf/365art2004.pdf
"The context of sexual risk behavior among heterosexual
methamphetamine users"

"The context of sexual risk behavior among heterosexual methamphetamine
users.

Semple SJ, Patterson TL, Grant I.

Department of Psychiatry (0680), University of California-San Diego,
Clinical Sciences Building, 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla, CA 92093-0680,
USA.

Relatively little is known about the relationship between
methamphetamine (meth) use and sexual risk behavior among heterosexual
adults. This descriptive study explores the context of sexual risk
behavior among HIV-negative, heterosexual meth-using men and women.
Drug use history, motivations for meth use, relationship types, and the
social-sexual context of meth use were examined as factors that relate
to sexual risk behavior and meth use. The majority of participants were
white males with an average age of 38.6 years. Primary motivations for
current meth use were to get high, to get more energy, and to party.
Participants used meth an average of 14 days per month and consumed an
average of 7.9 g during this period. The average number of unprotected
vaginal, anal, and oral sex acts over a 2-month period were 21.5, 6.3,
and 41.7, respectively. Participants reported an average of 9.4 sex
partners over 2 months. The findings are discussed in relation to HIV
prevention messages and the development of sexual risk reduction
interventions for HIV-negative, heterosexual meth users."

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Jenn

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In article <kFHEe.25518$TU.1...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:

Because I mistook one bigot for another? Whatever....

Brent Norman

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 23 Jul 2005 21:40:28 -0700, "Brent Norman"

> Just posting facts about famous homosexuals. That's what the thread is
> about -- you really should pay attention.

As you wish. I'll just say that people like Dahmer are far from
typical homosexuals, if that's the slant you're trying to draw.

Andrealphus

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<def...@easynews.com> wrote in message
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> Do me a favor, I just don't have any time to waste on you.

Get your head out of your ass and you will probably find that you have more
time.


James Riske

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Translation: Faggot "ramrod" can't honestly deal with the facts
posted.


"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland

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Brent Norman

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 24 Jul 2005 10:51:35 -0700, "Brent Norman"

> Think what you will (or can.) Your limits are internal.

You ought to follow your own advice.

BYTE ME!

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 23 Jul 2005 19:27:30 -0700, "Brent Norman"

> <nellig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>TONS(the vast majority) of "sodomites" have no need for drugs at all to
>>make their "perverse sex" seem "normal".
>
>
> Homosexuals love that longevity produced by meth though.

Wow, you seem to be an expert. Did your boyfriend jack you up on meth
first?

--
"What is true of every member of the society, individually,
is true of them all collectively; since the rights of the
whole can be no more than the sum of the rights of the
individuals." --Thomas Jefferson

Natalie Clifford Barney

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In addition to being the muse and inspiration of other writers, American expatriate
Natalie Clifford Barney, known as the Amazon, was a poet, memoirist and epigrammatist
in her own right.

Barney was born in Dayton, Ohio, on October 31, 1876; she grew up in Cincinnati and
Washington, D.C. Her father, Albert Clifford Barney, inherited a railroad fortune,
and when the family lived in Washington, Natalie moved in the highest social and
diplomatic circles. The rigid protocol of high society bored her, however, and she
was eager to pursue her own adventures in an atmosphere more conducive to sexual, and
especially lesbian, expression. As a child, she had visited Europe many times, and
when she was twenty-four she settled permanently in Paris
Famous for her operatic love affairs--most notably with the poet Renée Vivien and the
painter Romaine Brooks--and her philosophical commitment to flirtation and
nonmonogamy, Natalie Barney met her last lover on a park bench on the Avenue des
Anglais in Nice, in 1956 at the age of seventy-nine.

Her life and temperament have provided inspiration for many literary portraits,
including those of Flossie in Liane de Pougy's Idylle sapphique (Sapphic Idyll,
1901), Miss Flossie in Colette's Claudine s'en va (Claudine and Annie, 1903), Valerie
Seymour in Radcliffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness (1928), and Laurette in Lucie
Delarue Mardrus's L'Ange et les pervers (The Angel and the Perverts, 1930).

Though these characters are quite different one from another, they share a strong
lesbian identity, generosity of spirit, and the ability to laugh at themselves. René
de Gourmont, the French writer and literary critic, struck up a close friendship with
Natalie Barney after reading her Eparpillements (Scatterings, 1930). He published two
collections of the letters he had written her. Lettres à l'amazone (1914), and
Lettres intimes à l'amazone (1926), thus she became known in French literary circles
as "the Amazon."

Barney was not merely the muse of other writers, but a poet, memoirist, and
epigrammatist in her own right. Her first collection of poetry, Quelques
portraits-sonnets de femmes, celebrating many of her lovers, was published in 1900.

Although her poetry and plays are mostly works of juvenilia or old-fashioned
exercises in nineteenth-century French verse style, her memoirs and portraits such as
Aventures de l'espirit (Adventures of the Mind, 1929), and Souvenirs Indiscrets
(Indiscreet Memoirs, 1960) are vivid, perceptive pieces that describe many of the
gays and lesbians who frequented the literary salon she held in Paris for fifty
years: Colette, Andre Gidé, Lucie Delarue Mardrus, Gertrude Stein, Djuna Barnes,
Romaine Brooks, Oscar Wilde, Marcel Proust. She comments on the gay lifestyles of the
period, producing a spirited defense of homosexuality with the same unabashed
openness and enthusiasm with which she lived her life.

It is, however, the epigrams--Eparpillements, Pensées d'une amazone (Thoughts of an
Amazon, 1920) and Nouvelles pensées d'une amazone (More Thoughts of an Amazon,
1939)--that show a real literary merit and a rare talent for beautifully turned,
perfectly aimed verbal barbs and ironic comment.


Natalie Clifford Barney
Le membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....

“Lesbianism is about to take over our community. "
Reverend Willie Wilson, Washington DC 2005


Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Because I mistook one bigot for another? Whatever....

I heard that excuse on TV one time.
Someone said all niggers look alike, I mistook
him for another nigger.

I guess you and that fellow have a lot in common also.


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Bernard Hubbard

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Jimbo your "facts" are not really facts but the depraved rantings of
an uneducated mind. You must try to provide genuine research from a
genuine researcher in future. Something peer reviewed would be nice
for a change.


>
>
>"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland

"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus
handicapped."~Elbert Hubbard to quote a relative of mine.

Bernard Hubbard

The Secretary of HomIntern

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It was a dark and stormy night in alt.politics.homosexuality, when Death
wrote:
> "Johannes v Ebersdorf" wrote
>> >
>> Dalmer wasn't gay. His victims were young gay men. Dalmer himself may
>> have been a self-hating closet case whose self-image was poisoned by
>> American fundies.
>
> 16k of bullshit snipped
>
> How do you know his victims were happy young men?

Well, Johannes, isn't he a clever little dickens?! Oh, yes he is! Oh, yes --
he -- is!<pinches Death's cheek>

--
_______________________________________________
Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Superfaggot; GGGHD; MWFA; HCNB; MU; BCB; FI
Economic Left/Right: -5.71
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.23
Killfiled by: directory

Romaine Brooks

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:36:16 GMT, w...@privacy.net wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:00:42 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
><SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
>
>>Famous for her operatic love affairs--most notably with the poet Renée Vivien and the
>>painter Romaine Brooks--and her philosophical commitment to flirtation and
>>nonmonogamy, Natalie Barney met her last lover on a park bench on the Avenue des
>>Anglais in Nice, in 1956 at the age of seventy-nine.
>

>doG! I can't even imagine what kind of woman would lick the lips of a
>79 year old cunt -- a 109 year old rug muncher, maybe?

Why? Is that how old your boyfriend is?

Brent Norman

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 24 Jul 2005 18:30:18 -0700, "Brent Norman"

> It's not advice -- it's an observation. I suspect that you may not
> know the difference.

Whatever you like. It applies to you as much or more than it does me.

Brent Norman

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w...@privacy.net wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:00:42 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
> <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
>

> >Famous for her operatic love affairs--most notably with the poet Renée Vivien and the
> >painter Romaine Brooks--and her philosophical commitment to flirtation and
> >nonmonogamy, Natalie Barney met her last lover on a park bench on the Avenue des
> >Anglais in Nice, in 1956 at the age of seventy-nine.
>

> doG! I can't even imagine what kind of woman would lick the lips of a
> 79 year old cunt -- a 109 year old rug muncher, maybe?

Perhaps a rug muncher such as yourself would be interested in doing
that? Or do you prefer male anatomy over "rugs"?

James Riske

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Bernard Hubbard wrote:

Obviously you can't read very well faggot:

"The great majority of the citations within this site and within the
book are taken from peer-reviewed science and medical journals listed in
the National Library of Medicine Database."

Now, if he is in error then why are you faggots having such a difficult
time trying to disprove what he has to say about faggots?


--

James Riske

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Brent Norman wrote:

<snip>

Then argue it with him, if you feel that he is in error then by all
means get in contact with him and prove to him that he is wrong.

If not then I believe his site and everything contained therin to be
100% factual and will continue to use it as a source of factual
information regardless of whatever hateful and intolerant comments are
made against his research.
You are full of opinions faggot Brent, isn't it about time you started
to use facts to back your claims with?

Brent Norman

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Well for starters, not all of us have the $$ or time to go off
searching for/buying/borrowing
obscure journal articles, analyzing them and cross-referencing with the
claims he makes. At some point in time, I'd like to give a part of his
site that treatment and see how congruent his claims are to the cite he
bases them on. I'm pretty sure I can find contradictory information,
or at the very least evidence to suggest that the source cited is
unlikely to apply to the vast majority of the homo population.

> --
> "The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental
> illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland

He needs to amend his statement. It's pretty well known that female
homosexuals have little or no interest in the anus. Yet he claims
that "homosexuals" have the anus "etched" onto their minds. Even that
claim is ridiculous when applied to male homosexuals, but that's
another discussion.

James Riske

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Brent Norman wrote:

Crank up that excuse machine faggot.
"I'm pretty sure I can find" is simply not good enough, either refute,
spew hatred and intolerance or accept the facts faggot because I plan to
use his site as a verifiable source(one of many) when posting the facts
about faggots.

>
>
>>--
>>"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental
>>illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland
>
>
> He needs to amend his statement. It's pretty well known that female
> homosexuals have little or no interest in the anus. Yet he claims
> that "homosexuals" have the anus "etched" onto their minds. Even that
> claim is ridiculous when applied to male homosexuals, but that's
> another discussion.

More opinions from a defeated faggot, of course your opinions are
completely worthless since they come from a documented liar.
He makes it clear on his site that he is talking about male faggots:

"The life of a number of homosexuals centers on the anus. Male
homosexuals that behave more like girls as children have a marked
preference for receptive anal intercourse, (12-14) and a less marked but
significant preference for oral-anal sex (rimming). (13) In sex research
involving homosexual men, the correct genitoerotic role distinction is
not insertive vs. receptive behaviors, or even insertive vs. receptive
anal intercourse, but receptive anal intercourse vs. all other
behaviors. (13) The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that

James Riske

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BYTE ME! wrote:

> def...@easynews.com wrote:
>
>> On 23 Jul 2005 19:27:30 -0700, "Brent Norman"
>> <nellig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> TONS(the vast majority) of "sodomites" have no need for drugs at all to
>>> make their "perverse sex" seem "normal".
>>
>>
>>
>> Homosexuals love that longevity produced by meth though.
>
>
> Wow, you seem to be an expert. Did your boyfriend jack you up on meth
> first?
>


People who naturally despise faggots are not really faggots themselves
just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really pedophiles.

Stay stupid, keep lying, hateful little faggot.

Brent Norman

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Oh I will, don't you worry your little head about it.

>
> If not then I believe his site and everything contained therin to be
> 100% factual and will continue to use it as a source of factual
> information regardless of whatever hateful and intolerant comments are
> made against his research.
> You are full of opinions faggot Brent, isn't it about time you started
> to use facts to back your claims with?


> --
> "The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental
> illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland

Let's take a look at the statement you produced

"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental

illness does not prevent them from focusing on it. For instance, Ikeda
et al. described the death of a 75-year-old man following the rectal
insertion of a walking stick by a mentally ill homosexual. (15)"

Firstly, an anecdote regarding a 75-year-old man, and a mentally ill
individual who happened to be homosexual, is hardly exemplary of
homosexuals in general, nor does this justify the assertion regarding
the anus being "etched on the minds of homosexuals".

Second, his source for that anecdote is
"N. Ikeda, B. Hulewicz, B. Knight, T. Suzuki, "Nippon Hoigaku Zasshi"
45, 341 (Aug, 1991)."

Here's the abstract:

****
Ikeda N; Hulewicz B; Knight B; Suzuki T.

Homicide by rectal insertion of a walking stick. Nippon Hoigaku Zasshi.
Japanese Journal of Legal Medicine, 1991 Aug, 45(4):341-4.
(UI: 92114358)

Abstract: A 75-year-old disabled man was killed by a homosexual mental
patient

by the rectal insertion of a walking stick. The external examination of
the body showed only four superficial tears in the skin of the anus.
However, there was a 1 cm diameter full thickness perforation in the
anterior wall of the rectum and the cause of death was the perforated
rectum. The importance of the careful investigation into the
circumstances of death, the background of the decreased, and the
condition of the anus and rectum is discussed. "
***

So to summarize, a mental patient (whose affliction was not provided)
who happened to be homosexual killed a 75-year old disabled man. This
journal it was reported in is a journal related to legal medicine, i.e.
forensics.

It does not prove that the anus is etched onto the minds of homosexuals
at all. It proves that a person with mental illness is capable of
murder with a walking stick.

He then goes on to say

"As a result of repeated anorectal trauma and infections, the perianal
region of several male homosexuals acquires a grotesque appearance,
(16) yet few homosexuals desirous of insertive anal sex would be
discouraged by the sight of such anuses."

Notice he said "the perianal region of SEVERAL male homosexuals
acquires a grotesque appearance" that doesn't sound like a lot of
them. Then the statement at the end ("yet few homosexuals desirious of
insertive...") is totally unsubstantiated, merely the site author's
ad-lib.

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Brent Norman

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And that's exactly what I will do. I recently analyzed one of his
claims+cite and discovered that the cite didn't substantiate the broad
claim that was made.
That's just for one claim. A subsequent, rather bold claim also didn't
have a cite attached to it, which means it was unsubstantiated opinion.


> >>"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental
> >>illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland
> >
> >
> > He needs to amend his statement. It's pretty well known that female
> > homosexuals have little or no interest in the anus. Yet he claims
> > that "homosexuals" have the anus "etched" onto their minds. Even that
> > claim is ridiculous when applied to male homosexuals, but that's
> > another discussion.
>
> More opinions from a defeated faggot, of course your opinions are
> completely worthless since they come from a documented liar.
> He makes it clear on his site that he is talking about male faggots:

The statement on its own as you present it doesn't hold water.

>
> "The life of a number of homosexuals centers on the anus.

The "life" of a "number" of homosexuals.. That could be one, or two, or
500, or 3x10^23 homosexuals.

How exactly does one center their "life" AROUND the anus? The
statement itself is rather broad and vague. Most people center their
lives around things like a career and education, which tends to play a
constant role in everything they do. How does one work the anus into a
similar "pivotal" role without compromising everything else?


> Male
> homosexuals that behave more like girls as children have a marked
> preference for receptive anal intercourse, (12-14)

12 M. T. Saghir, E. Robins, Male and female homosexuality: a
comprehensive investigation (Williams & Wilkins, Baltimore,, 1973), pp.
ix, 341 p.
*1973? Interesting though, that he cites Saghir and Robins since their
research is one of the reasons that the APA removed homosexuality from
the list of mental illnesses. Consequently, Saghir and Robins' work is
often attacked by anti-gay sources.

13 J. D. Weinrich, I. Grant, D. L. Jacobson, S. R. Robinson, J. A.
McCutchan, Arch Sex Behav 21, 559 (Dec, 1992).

*Found the abstract:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1482281&dopt=Citation
"The connections between childhood gender nonconformity (assessed by
the Freund Feminine Gender Identity Scale, or FGI) and adult
genitoerotic role (assessed by a sex history) were examined. The core
sample was a group of 106 men who had sex with other men before 1980
and who are currently enrolled in two longitudinal studies of AIDS.
Although other workers have cautioned against assuming a priori that
childhood gender role is inherently related to adult preferences for
particular sexual acts, our data suggest that there is at least a
statistical association between these two concepts. In particular, the
FGI (and many of its factors and items) are significantly associated
with preferences for receptive anal intercourse and, less clearly, with
oral-anal contact--but not with oral-genital intercourse or insertive
and intercourse. Suggestions for AIDS prevention and safe-sex awareness
are made on the basis of these findings. The data also suggest that in


sex research involving homosexual men, the correct genitoerotic role
distinction is not insertive vs. receptive behaviors, or even insertive

vs. receptive and intercourse, but receptive anal intercourse vs. all
other behaviors."

The third sentence is particularly telling.


14 M. H. McIntyre, Arch Sex Behav 32, 495 (2003).
*This is a "Letter To The Editor", not a study. Access to it is
available for $40 USD. Unlike a true study/article, there is no
abstract available.
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/aseb/2003/00000032/00000006/00472023

> and a less marked but
> significant preference for oral-anal sex (rimming). (13) In sex research
> involving homosexual men, the correct genitoerotic role distinction is
> not insertive vs. receptive behaviors, or even insertive vs. receptive
> anal intercourse, but receptive anal intercourse vs. all other
> behaviors. (13)

They were referring to sex research in the context of AIDS
education/prevention. Receptive being the highest risk activity, as
you can see in the FULL abstract that I reproduced above.

BYTE ME!

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James Riske wrote:
> BYTE ME! wrote:
>
>> def...@easynews.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 23 Jul 2005 19:27:30 -0700, "Brent Norman"
>>> <nellig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> TONS(the vast majority) of "sodomites" have no need for drugs at all to
>>>> make their "perverse sex" seem "normal".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Homosexuals love that longevity produced by meth though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, you seem to be an expert. Did your boyfriend jack you up on meth
>> first?
>>
>
>
> People who naturally despise faggots are not really faggots themselves
> just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really pedophiles.
>
> Stay stupid, keep lying, hateful little faggot.
>
>
>

While that may be true, there is no doubt in your case that you are.
You are far too obsessed to no be.

Brent Norman

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2005 03:48:30 -0700, "Brent Norman"

***1

> >> >> Think what you will (or can.) Your limits are internal.
> >> >

***1

> >> >You ought to follow your own advice.
> >>
> >> It's not advice -- it's an observation. I suspect that you may not
> >> know the difference.
> >
> >Whatever you like. It applies to you as much or more than it does me.
>

> Doesn't it embarrass you to make such a lame response? Have you not
> shame?

Doesn't it embarrass you to make such a lame response as that denoted
by the ***1? I work with what you give me.

Brent Norman

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w...@privacy.net wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2005 03:47:13 -0700, "Brent Norman"

> Why are you interest, nelli, your tongue getting hard?

Not being a "rug muncher" such as yourself, no.

James Riske

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Jul 25, 2005, 5:42:25 PM7/25/05
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BYTE ME! wrote:

> James Riske wrote:
>
>> BYTE ME! wrote:
>>
>>> def...@easynews.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23 Jul 2005 19:27:30 -0700, "Brent Norman"
>>>> <nellig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TONS(the vast majority) of "sodomites" have no need for drugs at
>>>>> all to
>>>>> make their "perverse sex" seem "normal".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Homosexuals love that longevity produced by meth though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, you seem to be an expert. Did your boyfriend jack you up on
>>> meth first?
>>>
>>
>>
>> People who naturally despise faggots are not really faggots themselves
>> just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really
>> pedophiles.
>>
>> Stay stupid, keep lying, hateful little faggot.
>>
>>
>>
>
> While that may be true, there is no doubt in your case that you are. You
> are far too obsessed to no be.
>

People who naturally despise faggots are not really faggots themselves
just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really pedophiles.

Stay stupid, keep lying, hateful little faggot.

--

James Riske

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Jul 25, 2005, 5:55:59 PM7/25/05
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Brent Norman wrote:

And what you just said equals to unsubstantiated opinion itself,
something you are well known for.

>
>
>
>>>>"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental
>>>>illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland
>>>
>>>
>>>He needs to amend his statement. It's pretty well known that female
>>>homosexuals have little or no interest in the anus. Yet he claims
>>>that "homosexuals" have the anus "etched" onto their minds. Even that
>>>claim is ridiculous when applied to male homosexuals, but that's
>>>another discussion.
>>
>>More opinions from a defeated faggot, of course your opinions are
>>completely worthless since they come from a documented liar.
>>He makes it clear on his site that he is talking about male faggots:
>
>
> The statement on its own as you present it doesn't hold water.

More worthless opinions from a humiliated faggot.

>
>
>>"The life of a number of homosexuals centers on the anus.
>
>
> The "life" of a "number" of homosexuals.. That could be one, or two, or
> 500, or 3x10^23 homosexuals.
>
> How exactly does one center their "life" AROUND the anus?

You do it on usenet almost every time you post faggot, you are here
trying to justify taking a penis in your ass, obviously.

> The
> statement itself is rather broad and vague.

False, it is straight to the point, your denials of the obvious are
completely worthless.

> Most people center their
> lives around things like a career and education,

And most faggots ceter their depraved lives around the anus.

> which tends to play a
> constant role in everything they do. How does one work the anus into a
> similar "pivotal" role without compromising everything else?

You are trying to blend/blur a normal human life with that of a faggot,
which is impossible to do of course since the thought of ass is what
faggots are usually fixated on.

And yet predictably enough I find nothing that disproves what Erik said
about faggots and their fixation on the anus.

>
>
> 14 M. H. McIntyre, Arch Sex Behav 32, 495 (2003).
> *This is a "Letter To The Editor", not a study. Access to it is
> available for $40 USD. Unlike a true study/article, there is no
> abstract available.
> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/aseb/2003/00000032/00000006/00472023

Your definition of a "true study, article" is anything that goes in
favor of faggots.

>
>
>>and a less marked but
>>significant preference for oral-anal sex (rimming). (13) In sex research
>>involving homosexual men, the correct genitoerotic role distinction is
>>not insertive vs. receptive behaviors, or even insertive vs. receptive
>>anal intercourse, but receptive anal intercourse vs. all other
>>behaviors. (13)
>
>
> They were referring to sex research in the context of AIDS
> education/prevention. Receptive being the highest risk activity, as
> you can see in the FULL abstract that I reproduced above.

Which of course does absolutely *nothing* to dispell what Erik said
about faggots being fixated on the anus, nothing at all.
It all boils down to your opinion backed by only your hatred and
contempt for anything and everything that goes again what you are trying
to stand for faggot.


--

Jenn

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Jul 25, 2005, 5:59:56 PM7/25/05
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In article <11eanva...@corp.supernews.com>,
James Riske <james...@h0tmail.com> wrote:

> Brent Norman wrote:
>
> >
> >>>>>>Translation: Faggot "ramrod" can't honestly deal with the facts
> >>>>>>posted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jimbo your "facts" are not really facts but the depraved rantings of
> >>>>>an uneducated mind. You must try to provide genuine research from a
> >>>>>genuine researcher in future. Something peer reviewed would be nice
> >>>>>for a change.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Obviously you can't read very well faggot:

<snip>

Riske, three questions:
1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of homosexuality
without using the work "faggot"?
2, 3. Presuming that you have actually even spoken to a gay person, did
you call him a "faggot" and what happened when/if you did?

Brent Norman

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How so? On a different thread I analyzed his cite and how it relates
to his claim, for all to see.


> >>>>"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental
> >>>>illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>He needs to amend his statement. It's pretty well known that female
> >>>homosexuals have little or no interest in the anus. Yet he claims
> >>>that "homosexuals" have the anus "etched" onto their minds. Even that
> >>>claim is ridiculous when applied to male homosexuals, but that's
> >>>another discussion.
> >>
> >>More opinions from a defeated faggot, of course your opinions are
> >>completely worthless since they come from a documented liar.
> >>He makes it clear on his site that he is talking about male faggots:
> >
> >
> > The statement on its own as you present it doesn't hold water.
>
> More worthless opinions from a humiliated faggot.

Says a humiliated bigot.

>
> >
> >
> >>"The life of a number of homosexuals centers on the anus.
> >
> >
> > The "life" of a "number" of homosexuals.. That could be one, or two, or
> > 500, or 3x10^23 homosexuals.
> >
> > How exactly does one center their "life" AROUND the anus?
>
> You do it on usenet almost every time you post faggot, you are here
> trying to justify taking a penis in your ass, obviously.

Since "penis in ass" has nothing to do with my life, you're wrong. You
are lying. Exactly where/when did I EVER attempt to justify a "penis
in my ass"? Or is this another bald-faced lie from the lying bigot king
of Usenet? Stay stupid.


> > The
> > statement itself is rather broad and vague.
>
> False, it is straight to the point, your denials of the obvious are
> completely worthless.
>
> > Most people center their
> > lives around things like a career and education,
>
> And most faggots ceter their depraved lives around the anus.
>

False. HOW exactly does one center their "depraved" life around the
anus?


> > which tends to play a
> > constant role in everything they do. How does one work the anus into a
> > similar "pivotal" role without compromising everything else?
>
> You are trying to blend/blur a normal human life with that of a faggot,
> which is impossible to do of course since the thought of ass is what
> faggots are usually fixated on.
>

False again. To be fixated on something means that it takes precedence
over everything else. This is not the case with most people, "faggot"
or not.

Let's see:


"Although other workers have cautioned against assuming a priori that
childhood gender role is inherently related to adult preferences for
particular sexual acts, our data suggest that there is at least a
statistical association between these two concepts."

That totally disproves the statement that homosexuals are fixated on
the anus. Of course if you are talking about sexual activity among
male homosexuals, the anus would play a prominent role. But outside of
the context of a sexual encounter involving it, such a statement makes
no sense. The way you and Erik parlay this information is as if they
just stand around all day thinking of anuses to the exclusion of all
other things. That is not the case.


> >
> > 14 M. H. McIntyre, Arch Sex Behav 32, 495 (2003).
> > *This is a "Letter To The Editor", not a study. Access to it is
> > available for $40 USD. Unlike a true study/article, there is no
> > abstract available.
> > http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/aseb/2003/00000032/00000006/00472023
>
> Your definition of a "true study, article" is anything that goes in
> favor of faggots.

Your definition of a "true study, article" is anything that goes

against "faggots". Unlike you, I accept the good with the bad and the
neutral. You just accept the bad and deny the good and the neutral.

> >>and a less marked but
> >>significant preference for oral-anal sex (rimming). (13) In sex research
> >>involving homosexual men, the correct genitoerotic role distinction is
> >>not insertive vs. receptive behaviors, or even insertive vs. receptive
> >>anal intercourse, but receptive anal intercourse vs. all other
> >>behaviors. (13)
> >
> >
> > They were referring to sex research in the context of AIDS
> > education/prevention. Receptive being the highest risk activity, as
> > you can see in the FULL abstract that I reproduced above.
>
> Which of course does absolutely *nothing* to dispell what Erik said
> about faggots being fixated on the anus, nothing at all.

It does absolutely NOTHING to support what Erik said about so-called
"faggots" being fixated on the anus, nothing at all. (note he used a
real term, "homosexual males", unlike you)

> It all boils down to your opinion backed by only your hatred and
> contempt for anything and everything that goes again what you are trying
> to stand for faggot.

No sir, what it all boils down to your opinion backed by only your
hatred and contempt for anything and everything that goes against what
you are trying to stand for bigot.

If I do harbour ANY hatred and contempt, it is the hatred and contempt
FOR hatred and contempt that accomplishes nothing, except create
discord and unhappiness.

James Riske

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Jul 25, 2005, 6:33:01 PM7/25/05
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Jenn wrote:

> In article <11eanva...@corp.supernews.com>,
> James Riske <james...@h0tmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Brent Norman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>Translation: Faggot "ramrod" can't honestly deal with the facts
>>>>>>>>posted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jimbo your "facts" are not really facts but the depraved rantings of
>>>>>>>an uneducated mind. You must try to provide genuine research from a
>>>>>>>genuine researcher in future. Something peer reviewed would be nice
>>>>>>>for a change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Obviously you can't read very well faggot:
>
> <snip>
>
> Riske, three questions:
> 1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of homosexuality
> without using the work "faggot"?

If you can't handle my truthful words regarding faggots then I suggest
you use your killfilters.

> 2, 3. Presuming that you have actually even spoken to a gay person, did
> you call him a "faggot" and what happened when/if you did?

The last time I have spoke to a faggot was about a year ago when the
people in my neighborhood ran off some faggots that were trying to move
into (destroy) our neighborhood, "get out faggots" was only met with an
angry look and other than watching them leave nothing happened.
The time before that was when I had a teacher expelled from the private
school where my son was going, again, nothing happened.

Jenn

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Jul 25, 2005, 6:39:56 PM7/25/05
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In article <11eaq4r...@corp.supernews.com>,
James Riske <james...@h0tmail.com> wrote:

> Jenn wrote:

> > Riske, three questions:
> > 1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of homosexuality
> > without using the work "faggot"?
>
> If you can't handle my truthful words regarding faggots then I suggest
> you use your killfilters.

I'll take that as a "no". I'm simply wondering about both your limited
vocabulary, and your lack of willingness to have a rational debate.

>
> > 2, 3. Presuming that you have actually even spoken to a gay person, did
> > you call him a "faggot" and what happened when/if you did?
>
> The last time I have spoke to a faggot was about a year ago when the
> people in my neighborhood ran off some faggots that were trying to move
> into (destroy) our neighborhood, "get out faggots" was only met with an
> angry look and other than watching them leave nothing happened.

LOL. What were the circumstances there? Were the gay people looking to
buy a house? Rent a house or apartment? How did you know they were
gay? Please, tell us more.

> The time before that was when I had a teacher expelled from the private
> school where my son was going, again, nothing happened.

How did you accomplish that?

will you bite the hand that feeds you...will you stay down on your knees

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I'm shocked, absolutely shocked to learn that Uncle Arthur was gay!
Next you'll be telling me that Dr. Bombay was gay too...

Romaine Brooks

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:47 GMT, w...@privacy.net wrote:

>MY! How rapier like...

It was a serious question

Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > > 1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of homosexuality
> > > without using the work "faggot"?
>
An on line poll

does anyone want to discuss the nasty work faggot.

one vote for hell no.


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BYTE ME!

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w...@privacy.net wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:48:50 GMT, Romaine Brooks

> <vtc...@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:47 GMT, w...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:09:08 GMT, Romaine Brooks
>>><vtc...@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:36:16 GMT, w...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:00:42 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
>>>>><SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Famous for her operatic love affairs--most notably with the poet Renée Vivien and the
>>>>>>painter Romaine Brooks--and her philosophical commitment to flirtation and
>>>>>>nonmonogamy, Natalie Barney met her last lover on a park bench on the Avenue des
>>>>>>Anglais in Nice, in 1956 at the age of seventy-nine.
>>>>>
>>>>>doG! I can't even imagine what kind of woman would lick the lips of a
>>>>>79 year old cunt -- a 109 year old rug muncher, maybe?
>>>>
>>>> Why? Is that how old your boyfriend is?
>>>
>>>MY! How rapier like...
>>
>> It was a serious question
>
>
> No it wasn't it was the "low to no self-esteem" homosexual ploy of
> attempting to insult by implying that someone is a homosexual like
> yourself. Only newbies and newly outs use it.


Then Which are you, newbie or newly out?

Jenn

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In article <sOfFe.1326$sJ4...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:

If I understand your fractured sentence correctly, I'll take that as a
no.

The Secretary of HomIntern

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It was a dark and stormy night in alt.politics.homosexuality, when Jenn
wrote:
> "Death" wrote:
>> "Jenn" wrote

>> >
>> > > > 1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of homosexuality
>> > > > without using the work "faggot"?
>> >
>> An on line poll
>>
>> does anyone want to discuss the nasty work faggot.
>>
>> one vote for hell no.
>
> If I understand your fractured sentence correctly, I'll take that as a
> no.

It's the Death of the Spelling Lame...

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Death

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"Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>
> > "Jenn" <jennco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > > 1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of homosexuality
> > > > > without using the work "faggot"?
> > >
> > An on line poll
> >
> > does anyone want to discuss the nasty work faggot.
> >
> > one vote for hell no.
>
> If I understand your fractured sentence correctly, I'll take that as a
> no.

Which part of N O has you confused?


Death

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"The Secretary of HomIntern" <ykran...@woem.gro> wrote in message

> > "Death" wrote:

> >> "Jenn" wrote
> >> >
> >> > > > 1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of homosexuality
> >> > > > without using the work "faggot"?
> >> >
> >> An on line poll
> >>
> >> does anyone want to discuss the nasty work faggot.
> >>
> >> one vote for hell no.
> >
> > If I understand your fractured sentence correctly, I'll take that as a
> > no.
>
> It's the Death of the Spelling Lame...
>

what spelling lame?

are you saying Jenn is just too ignorant
to know the difference between work and word?

what an intolerant sexist pig you are.

what are you, one of those women haters?
yeah, I know, you think she should be pregnant and barefoot.

blah blah blah...the only good nigger is a dead nigger...

you are sexist AND racist. I bet you hate jews and wetbacks too.

dave hillstrom

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i give this attempted troll/flame by "Death" a D-. please play again.

--
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this space under construction. donations accepted.

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Death

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"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message

>
> i give this attempted troll/flame by "Death" a D-. please play again.
>
and your opinion meant so much to me..............LOL


dave hillstrom

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you really dont know how to go about this, do you.

a lame followed by laughing (an aol-ish "LOL" no less) at your own
self-believed brilliance. classic. just classic.

please, "Death", by all means keep showing everyone in the usenet world
just how insecure and childish you are. it entertains me.

Brent Norman

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def...@easynews.com wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2005 10:57:24 -0700, "Brent Norman"

> It clearly states what I believe is your intelligence level. You seem
> anxious to support my beliefs at every opportunity too.

Of course I do. You prefer to respond with ad-hominems rather than
address points. I must therefor lower the quality of the discussion as
a result.

Somebody

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Jul 26, 2005, 2:05:07 PM7/26/05
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dave hillstrom wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:11:54 -0500, "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message
>>>
>>> i give this attempted troll/flame by "Death" a D-. please play again.
>>>
>>and your opinion meant so much to me..............LOL
>
>you really dont know how to go about this, do you.
>
>a lame followed by laughing (an aol-ish "LOL" no less) at your own
>self-believed brilliance. classic. just classic.
>
>please, "Death", by all means keep showing everyone in the usenet world
>just how insecure and childish you are. it entertains me.

Huzzah! Dave has been entertained! He won't be needing this week's supply
of virgins!

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dave hillstrom

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Jul 26, 2005, 2:08:42 PM7/26/05
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:05:07 GMT, Somebody <some...@theperlguru.com>
wrote:

as if.

Somebody

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Jul 26, 2005, 2:14:56 PM7/26/05
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dave hillstrom wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:05:07 GMT, Somebody <some...@theperlguru.com>
>wrote:
>
>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:11:54 -0500, "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> i give this attempted troll/flame by "Death" a D-. please play again.
>>>>>
>>>>and your opinion meant so much to me..............LOL
>>>
>>>you really dont know how to go about this, do you.
>>>
>>>a lame followed by laughing (an aol-ish "LOL" no less) at your own
>>>self-believed brilliance. classic. just classic.
>>>
>>>please, "Death", by all means keep showing everyone in the usenet world
>>>just how insecure and childish you are. it entertains me.
>>
>>Huzzah! Dave has been entertained! He won't be needing this week's supply
>>of virgins!
>
>as if.

*grumble* Where am I supposed to find a thirty year old virgin?

Oh. alt.flame is already in the newsgroups line.

dave hillstrom

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Jul 26, 2005, 6:19:41 PM7/26/05
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:06:50 -0500, "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:

>
>"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:11:54 -0500, "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> i give this attempted troll/flame by "Death" a D-. please play again.
>> >>
>> >and your opinion meant so much to me..............LOL
>>
>> you really dont know how to go about this, do you.
>>
>> a lame followed by laughing (an aol-ish "LOL" no less) at your own
>> self-believed brilliance. classic. just classic.
>>

>My bait is starting to stink, but I still catch a few fish.
>I just can't help but wonder why it is always bottom feeders.
>
<snip restored>


>>please, "Death", by all means keep showing everyone in the usenet world
>>just how insecure and childish you are. it entertains me.

</snip restored>

an unannounced snip of a section calling you childish and insecure,
followed by an after the fact claim that you were doing the trolling all
along. this is getting richer by the minute! next youll be tossing out
IKYs and PKBs and post edits, all the while hoping, desperately, that
your peer group is addled enough to keep thinking how l337 you are.

which wont be difficult, as your home groups appear to be, from a google
search, alt.flame.fucking.faggots (you can just TELL that that one is a
winner, oh boy!), and the well sodomized group of rednecks in
alt.flame.niggers. (although alt.support.boy-lovers seemed to show up
several times as well)

those mid-bies and old-bies around will remember the terrific nuking afn
got from the meowers and af in the late 1990s. one guy with a missing
chromosome threatened to kill me, repeatedly, because he couldnt seem to
defend his self-esteem in text. and another guy wanted what amounted to
a duel for the same reasons, telling me that hed rent the ring if i came
up to new york city. i thought that was a little far from charlotte,
north carolina, as -i- had an engineering consulting business to run, so
i offered a compromise of baltimore, maryland. 8 hours for me. 5 for
him. driving. to meet at the druid hill park conservatory, a big glass
building full of plants, with nothing and no one around it. he never
responded. poor little scared thing.

so just keep going like you are, "Death". ill go get the cheeeeese and
crackers out, which should go nicely with your next response.

Death

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"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:11:54 -0500, "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message
> >>
> >> i give this attempted troll/flame by "Death" a D-. please play again.
> >>
> >and your opinion meant so much to me..............LOL
>
> you really dont know how to go about this, do you.
>
> a lame followed by laughing (an aol-ish "LOL" no less) at your own
> self-believed brilliance. classic. just classic.
>

Death

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Jul 26, 2005, 7:47:11 PM7/26/05
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"dave hillstrom" <Da...@MeOw.OrG> wrote in message

> "Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
>
> >My bait is starting to stink, but I still catch a few fish.
> >I just can't help but wonder why it is always bottom feeders.
> >
> <

> >>please, "Death", by all means keep showing everyone in the usenet world

damn, a blow fish this time


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dave hillstrom

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Jul 26, 2005, 11:19:42 PM7/26/05
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:56:03 GMT, WILD BILL TAYLOR <w...@privacy.net>
wrote:

>
>
>On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:19:41 -0400, dave hillstrom <Da...@MeOw.OrG>
>wrote:


>
>>those mid-bies and old-bies around will remember the terrific nuking afn
>>got from the meowers and af in the late 1990s. one guy with a missing
>>chromosome threatened to kill me, repeatedly, because he couldnt seem to
>>defend his self-esteem in text. and another guy wanted what amounted to
>>a duel for the same reasons, telling me that hed rent the ring if i came
>>up to new york city. i thought that was a little far from charlotte,
>>north carolina, as -i- had an engineering consulting business to run, so
>>i offered a compromise of baltimore, maryland. 8 hours for me. 5 for
>>him. driving. to meet at the druid hill park conservatory, a big glass
>>building full of plants, with nothing and no one around it. he never
>>responded. poor little scared thing.
>

>Rating: Simplistic ranting about nothing of importance
>
>"The post tells how gas is formed and its characteristics, although it
>overlooks the role of dairy products in its formation. A lizard like
>thought process follows the passage of food and air through the body.
>The drearily colored, amateur presentation tells a story from the life
>of a man of no particular notice and zoo animals with sound balloons,
>such as "BURP!" and "BAAROOMM" being emitted from both ends. The
>post's level may be of interest to youngsters, but even they won't
>glean much information from his less than mediocre presentation."

i know. that one paragraph was filler. though it was more of a history
lesson about his associates rather than any sort of emotional rant.

but i wonder why you snipped the rest of the post, hmmm? since you seem
to be in A number one big cheese critique mode, does that mean the rest
of my post passed muster with flying colors? or did you just want to
get rid of it for "Death"s sake? if you say it was all hogwash, itll
become obvious you are running away, as his cowardly snip of a paragraph
calling him cowardly was just a sweet thing to see. im sure all of your
readers, all two or three, would love to read your comments on these
questions.

so, lets see you put the post back together, and comment on it -in
context-. i know, you angry new "flamers" have trouble with that
concept. but give it a shot. you coward. you might find that its
vastly more satisfying when you win a point.

The Secretary of HomIntern

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Jul 27, 2005, 5:46:07 AM7/27/05
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It was a dark and stormy night in alt.politics.homosexuality, when Death
wrote:

> "The Secretary of HomIntern" <ykran...@woem.gro> wrote in message
>> > "Death" wrote:
>> >> "Jenn" wrote
>> >> >
>> >> > > > 1. Is it possible for you to discuss the politics of
>> >> > > > homosexuality without using the work "faggot"?
>> >> >
>> >> An on line poll
>> >>
>> >> does anyone want to discuss the nasty work faggot.
>> >>
>> >> one vote for hell no.
>> >
>> > If I understand your fractured sentence correctly, I'll take that as a
>> > no.
>>
>> It's the Death of the Spelling Lame...
>
> what spelling lame?

Pardonnez-moi, O Death Of The Typo Lame.

> are you saying Jenn is just too ignorant
> to know the difference between work and word?

Not at all, I mistook you for a higher class of lamer.

> what an intolerant sexist pig you are.

Oooh, what an incredible leap of logic you can make.

> what are you, one of those women haters?
> yeah, I know, you think she should be pregnant and barefoot.

Oh, I think humans should generally lay off the breeding for a bit. Not that
they will.

> blah blah blah...the only good nigger is a dead nigger...

You're the one who uses that term all the time, not me.

> you are sexist AND racist. I bet you hate jews and wetbacks too.

All that, just because I mistakenly thought you were laming her spelling,
when in fact you were just laming her typing. Tsk, tsk.

Missing Person

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Jul 27, 2005, 8:35:47 AM7/27/05
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:14:56 GMT Somebody <some...@theperlguru.com>
wrote in Message id: <A4vFe.5523$6M3.5503@trnddc03>:

>*grumble* Where am I supposed to find a thirty year old virgin?
>
>Oh. alt.flame is already in the newsgroups line.

This is an out and out fabrication, Sir! I am truly outraged by this
blatant mis-truth.

Why, I'll have you know that one of our l33t members here who goes by the
name of James Koput, as unbelievable as it may seem, has had SEX with
1000 DIFFERENT women over a twenty year period!

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