Kerry for President with 62% of the vote....In Britain.LOL
Bobbie
Today, we in Britain got the chance to vote for the new President of
USA...guess who won?
On the Jeremy Vine Show, a highly rated daily current affairs programme,
they help a vote for President. The results were as predicted
Kerry won with 62% of the vote
The figures on the Web Site are not complete since the vote was only
given at 2 pm.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/
That's it then folks, Sorry but Bush is out, the British public have
said so......<vbg>
Bobbie:-)
RichaLlo3
>USA...guess who won?
>On the Jeremy Vine Show, a highly rated daily current affairs programme,
>they help a vote for President. The results were as predicted
>Kerry won with 62% of the vote
that's what it will be about here, Bobbie :-).
Kelly
"Bobbie" <saucy...@fawltytowers.com> a écrit dans le message de
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And if the British public have said so, I can't but agree-;)
Kelly
Jean B.
We wish!
--
Jean B.
lamb
LOL They're ever so careful:
George Bush 13%
John Kerry 71%
Ralph Nader 17%
Total votes: 455
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion
--
Loes
RobertJ
countries.
Robert
"Bobbie" <saucy...@fawltytowers.com> wrote in message
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lonestar
RichaLlo3 wrote:
In yer dreams.
Lloyd Lewellen
"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:416C01B0...@rcn.com...
I wonder if Senator Kerry would consider moving there?
lloyd
lonestar
Kerry's Voting Record on Defense....
Kerry has voted for at least SEVEN major reductions in Defense and
Military spending, necessary for our national security:
1) In 1996 - Introduced Bill to slash Defense Department Funding by $6.5
Billion.
2) In 1995 - Voted to freeze Defense spending for 7 years, slashing over
$34 billion from Defense.
3) Fiscal 1996 Budget Resolution - Defense Freeze. "Harkin, D-Iowa,
amendment to freeze defense spending for the next seven years and
transfer the $34.8 billion in savings to education and job training."
4) In 1993 - Introduced plan to cut numerous Defense programs, including:
* Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
* Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
* Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
* Terminate the Navy's coastal mine-hunting ship program
* Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed
Forces in one year.
5) Has voted repeatedly to cut Defense spending, including:
* In 1993, voted against increased Defense spending for Military
Pay Raise. Kerry voted to kill an increase in military pay over five years.
* In 1992, voted to cut $6 billion from Defense.
* In 1991, voted to slash over $3 Billion from Defense. Shift money
to social programs.
* In 1991, voted to cut defense spending by 2%
* Voted repeatedly to cut or eliminate funding for B-2 Stealth Bomber
* Voted repeatedly against Missile Defense - Weapons Kerry sought
to phase out were VITAL in Iraq. "[K]erry supported cancellation of a
host of weapons systems that have become the basis of US military
might-the high-tech munitions and delivery systems on display to the
world as they leveled the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein in a matter of
weeks." (Brian C. Mooney, "Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One," The
Boston Globe, 6/19/03)
* Military hardware he felt we no longer need since the "cold war"
is past. The money would be better spent on "social" programs. These
weapons are now the core of our military might.
o F-16 Fighting Falcons.
o B-1Bs B-2As F-15 And F-16s
o M1 Abrams
o Patriot Missile
o AH-64 Apache Helicopter
o Tomahawk Cruise Missile
o Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser
6) During 1980s Kerry And Michael Dukakis joined forces with liberal
group dedicated to slashing Defense. Kerry sat on the board of "Jobs
With Peace Campaign," which sought to "develop public support for
cutting the defense budget..."("Pentagon Demonstrators Call For
Home-Building, Not Bombs," The Associated Press, 6/3/88)
7) While running for Congress in 1972, Kerry promised to cut Defense
Spending. "On what he'll do if he's elected to Congress," Kerry said he
would 'bring a different kind of message to the president." He said he
would, "Vote against military appropriations." ("Candidate's For
Congress Capture Campus In Andover," Lawrence [MA] Eagle-Tribune, 4/21/72)
"So you can look at all the potential threats of the world, and when you
add the expenditures of all of our allies to the United States of
America, you have to stop and say to yourself, 'What is it that we are
really preparing for in a post-cold-war world?'"
(Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 5/15/96, p. S5061)
Montesquiou
Kelly,
And the French people also....
Few minutes ago, in my car, I was listening to Dick Howard, - Professor
of political philosophy at Stony Brook, university of the State of NY -
(RTL radio.)
They asked to him :
"What do you think would be better for us, Bush or Kerry "
His answer were : " I am quite sure Chirac hope for Bush to win".
"???"
"Of course. Imagine Kerry asking for the help of France, or of NATO.
Bush asking to Chirac, it is NO and NO.
But Kerry asking the same : Oh my God ! I can't say neither YES, nor NO."
:)
lonestar
Jean B. wrote:
If this election weren't so important, I almost wish you, the uninformed
democrat voters and the foreigners would get your wish.
Did you know that Spain, France, Russia, the Philippines and others are
part of a 90 nation coalition Still supporting The War on Terror? While
some do not have troops in the immediate conflict, they have formed one
of the greatest Intelligent sharing coalitions of all times. Since 9/11,
30 to 250,(exact number is classified), MAJOR Terriorist Attacks have
been averted.
If the US waffles to another "Nam Pullout", the Good Life as you and I
have been privy to enjoy, will never be the same. Not for us, our
children nor grandchildren.
Robert(Tx)
Bill Becker
ultimate end to terrorism can only come with liberty and
opportunity in the Middle East and he is set on planting that
seed. BillB (FL)
"lonestar" <"lonestar"@netscapedot.net> wrote in message
news:ti0bd.8966$Rf1...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
Sinclair
"Bill Becker" <BillB...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2t47hkF...@uni-berlin.de...
> You sound a little bitter, Sinclair. BillB (FL)
Not bitter, these are facts. If I am wrong in one or all please correct me.
I wish I was wrong!
Sinclair
>
> "Sinclair" <labeh...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:416ce541$0$28792$8fcf...@news.wanadoo.fr...
>>
>> "Bill Becker" <BillB...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2t45l3F...@uni-berlin.de...
>>> Robert, I guess they don't share Pres. Bush's vision that the
>>> ultimate end to terrorism can only come with liberty and
>>> opportunity in the Middle East and he is set on planting that
>>> seed. BillB (FL)
>>>
>> What do you think the real chances are you don't have liberty in America
>> you have more laws than any other country you disregard double jeopardy
>> you have the greatest gaol population in the world. You are the only
>> nation to use biological, chemical and nuclear weapons you have invaded
>> or bomber 86 countries since WW II.You are locking men away without
>> charge.You judicially murder your own citizens. And you a damn near
>> broke.You are being stripped of your civil rights. Is this what you want
>> in the Mid East?
>>
>>
>> Hell of a vision.
>>
>>
>> Sinclair
>>
>
>
Kelly
there's a seamy side you know.
kelly
"Bill Becker" <BillB...@Hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
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RichaLlo3
the debates, if nothing else, have shown the world Kerry is Presidential and
sadly Bush is a bafoon. I wanta cry for Bush...i really do when he gets his
time. And...and its sadder still to know the US right wing is enguffed in so
much hate of us centrist they can actually win this election.
lonestar
Sinclair wrote:
> Are these cuts for defence or offensive capability. Was Iraq a defensive
> war?
>
> Sinclair
Kerry's "cuts" were an offense toward the Military of the United States
and show his incompetence in supporting the defense of this country.
Iraq was definitely a defensive move to keep the Terriorist Muderers at
bay in their own enviornment.
Robert(Tx) Just my own opinion...
Sinclair
terror. Rand Beers the top National Security Council official in the war on
terror resigned in March 2003 stating looming war with Iraq was hurting the
fight against terrorism.
The Aluminium Tube Story was a myth there were no terrorist camps in the
Saddam controlled part of Iraq. The American economy has had terror slapped
on it by unnecessary expenditures.
Sinclair
Kelly
"Montesquiou" <Monte...@Montesquiou.org>
>
> Kelly,
>
> And the French people also....
>
> Few minutes ago, in my car, I was listening to Dick Howard, - Professor
> of political philosophy at Stony Brook, university of the State of NY -
> (RTL radio.)
>
> They asked to him :
>
> "What do you think would be better for us, Bush or Kerry "
>
> His answer were : " I am quite sure Chirac hope for Bush to win".
>
> "???"
>
> "Of course. Imagine Kerry asking for the help of France, or of NATO.
> Bush asking to Chirac, it is NO and NO.
> But Kerry asking the same : Oh my God ! I can't say neither YES, nor NO."
>
> :)
>
Anyhow, as I see it now, sooner or later an international peace force will
have to step in. I think it would be much better if Arab states took over.
Kelly
Sinclair
"pijoe" <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote in message
news:416DD918...@REMOVEoperamail.com...
> Sinclair wrote:
>
>> I am in Geneva read the NG and saw your response about anti-American what
>> is
>> anti-American about a repetition of facts. Do I have the facts wrong?
>> Please
>> tell me I do
>>
>> >
>>
>
> You don't have facts. You have bull.
What are the facts then?
Sinclair
Jean B.
>
> >
> > I do not believe we have ever used biological or chemical weapons. If
> > you know otherwise, how about some documentation?
> >
> > What is anti-American? You make all these accusing statements, saying
> > "You", which means all Americans, rather than using a term such as "your
> > administration". The only way one can construe what you wrote, the way
> > you wrote it, is that you are anti-American, and anti- all Americans.
> > Unless, of course, you are saying your approve of these things.
> >
> > Many people have accused you of being anti-American, and it is posts
> > such as yours that give them reasons to say so.
> >
> > Joy
> >
>
> Are you American when you want to be an not American when you do not want to
> be? American are responsible for their goverment. The U.S. military used
> biological warfare extensively against the Korean and Chinese people during
> the Korean Genocide. Fifteen years later Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were
> covered with Agent Orange.
>
> US planes dropped various germ-carrying bomblets during an estimated 804
> sorties on 169 villages and towns. These bombings led to an epidemic of
> atypical diseases in the area, including cholera, the plague, encephalitis
> and anthrax (a disease killing sheep and cattle, but transmissible to
> humans).
>
> In addition to spreading killer diseases, the US military also used POWs as
> human guinea pigs to test the effectiveness of germ warfare in a
> "controlled" environment. According to a United Press report published on
> 18 May 1951, a group of US scientists injected 1,400 North Korean POWs
> incarcerated on Koje Island with various germs. As a result, 80 per cent of
> these POWs were infected with an unknown disease.
>
> Can the truth of such testimonies be verified? Partly declassified Chinese,
> Canadian and US state archives are now available and provide damning
> evidence against the US.
>
> Stephen Endicott and Edward Hagerman, two Canadian historians who spent five
> years investigating declassified archives in China, Canada and the US - in
> addition to conducting extensive interviews and field work - concluded that
> the US had been actively developing biological weapons since the end of
> World War II. According to the two historians, the US tested these weapons
> by bombing parts of North Korea and China with anthrax, encephalitis and
> other diseases in early 1952.
>
> Chemicall what do you call Agent Orange? For about a decade beginning in the
> early 1960s, the United States sprayed tens of thousands of tons of
> herbicides over three million acres of South Vietnam (as well as parts of
> Laos and Cambodia) to wipe out the foliage used as a cover by the enemy and
> to destroy crops.
> The herbicides, particularly the extensively-used Agent Orange, polluted
> Vietnam with some five hundred pounds of dioxin, a nearly indestructible
> pollutant that is regarded as one of the most toxic substances in the world;
> at least as toxic as nerve gas, and highly carcinogenic. Amongst other
> health effects associated with exposure to dioxin are metabolic disorders,
> immunological abnormalities, reproductive abnormalities, and
> neuro-psychiatric disorders.1 Three ounces in the water supply is thought to
> be enough to wipe out the population of New York.
>
> :
> References; Beyond a reasonable doubt by Faiza Rady Al-Ahram Weekly, Cairo
> 6-12 April 2000; Issue No. 476
> http://www.korea-np.co.jp/pk/military/category36.htm and Ramsey Clark on
> American Militarism http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html
> http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/weapons/US-Bioweapons.html
> Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency by
> James Bamford Agent Orange From Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only
> Superpower by William Blum.
>
> When I get home I'll give you further references including US government
> documentation
>
> Sinclair
I'll have to look at these sources, Sinclair. I do, of course,
know about Agent Orange, and the research is also no surprise, but
I haven't heard of germ-filled bomblets or the use of POWs as
guinea pigs.
--
Jean B.
Brian
"Baba Mung" <Inser...@blueyondernospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Brian" <cameeb@ ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:TUsbd.24$wy...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> >
> > ....Everyone? associates 'concentration camps'
> > with the Nazi regime. Not so. Invented by the British during the boar
war
> in
> > South Africa.
> >
> > Let the country without sin cast the first stone.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
>
> Are you arguing that because the British military imprisoned people
without
> charge in the South African veld a century ago, its OK for the American
> military to similarly imprison people on an island in the Caribbean
today?
> That would be about as sensible as saying a crime is not a crime so long
as
> it's been done before!
No Baba I was not arguing that premis. I was arguing that throughout history
countries have done barbaric things in the name of 'the regime'. Sinclair
listed the crimes the USA has perpetuated. I stated that if he wishes to
look at barbaric behavior around the world. Britain has a lot to answer for.
>
> However, if concentration camps are your thing, you should know that the
> Spanish colonial administration in Cuba beat the British to the idea by
> several years. They set up so-called "reconcentrados" in Cuba in 1896.
Thank you I did not know that. So now we can blame 'The Spanish'
>
> America in the form of the Bush administration may seem a relative
newcomer
> to locking up people en masse in remote locations. But there are records
of
> people being rounded up and imprisoned in conditions which led to death
and
> starvation in the 1830's and 40's following the notorious Indian Removal
Act
> of 1830. More recently, during both the FirstWorld War and the Second
World
> War many people related by descent to enemy nationalities were similarly
> rounded up and consigned to specially built camps.
Indian removal act? I wonder who could possibly been responsible for that?
Certainly not the USA.
>
> The real issue is not who did it first but the wickedness of doing it at
all
> at any time - whether the evil-doer overseeing the wickedness is a
Briton
> or a Spaniard, a German or an American, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Joseph
> Stalin, or George W Bush.
>
>
> Baba
You link G.W.Bush in peculiar company there Baba. What America has tried to
do will be written in the sands of time and, no doubt, historians will still
argue over it hundreds of years later.
As Stalin said, I probably misquote him, " One man's death is a tragedy. A
million deaths are a statistic.
When you link Bush, or any other American president, with Stalin, Saddam or
Pol Pot you have blown it.
Brian
pijoe
>
>
> What was asked of Joe McCarthy? "Have you no sense of decency?"
>
Good thing McCarthy was around--there were communists trying to
infiltrate our society. Got rid of the scum, didn't he?
Norma
>
> "Norma" <norm...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:10mrvat...@corp.supernews.com...>> news:416df685$0$7208$8fcf...@news.wanadoo.fr...
>>>
>>> "pijoe" <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote in message
>>>> Sinclair wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are these cuts for defence or offensive capability. Was Iraq a
>>>>> defensive
>>>>> war?
>>>>
>>>> him
>>>> first? I say hit him first. We got hit on 9/11 with 3,000 innocent
>>>> civilians killed. I don't want it to happen here again. Better there
>>>> than here, better now than later.
>>>
>>> What was the link between Saddam and terrorists? What justified
>>> pre-emptive war? Was it the weapons of Mass Destruction?
>>
>> There may have very well been some contact, because we know for sure
>> that his son Udai invited al-Zarqawi to stay in Iraq after he was treated
>> for the wound he incurred in Afghan. I am sure that was more contact
>> than just the two of them together.
>>
>> Was it pre-emptive--who can say at this point? There is no evidence of
>> WMDs, but there may have been much going on about getting them--BUT they
>> aren't in evidence and the evidence could have been moved or hidden and
>> moved. The problem is the lack of evidence, but I also know that much
>> can be covered and very secretly hidden away in the Arab world. Surely
>> Saddam would have used anyone to further his cause, but I am not sure
>> about actual attachment to Osama himself. It seems that Osama has backed
>> away and he has really "outsourced" the terroristic activity. That could
>> have been working at that time as well. Norma
>>
> Speculation! The moon could be made of Green Cheese. Where is the
> empirical evidence?
It probably will _never_ be found--the coverup potential on all sides is too
easy. It is then futile to keep debating whether it was a pre-emtive war.
It has begun and is a really big mess--now it is time to do proceed to some
decent end. I don't believe we will be able to train the Iraqis
sufficiently, so at some point we will have to do the best we can to reach
the best point we can, and move on out. THEN the real job of them taking
over will begin. Insha'Allah, they will succeed somehow, someway... The
problem is theirs, as it always has been. At least "maybe" there is a
better chance they will reach some satisfactory level from which to begin.
NormaB
>
> Sinclair
>
**Dalin**
You wouldn't have Jean as Sinclair had to go back over 50 years to
find that little gem. Wonder why he did that? I guess since you're
an American he will tell you that you are responsible for that even
though you were hardly born!
Dalin
Sinclair
"pijoe" <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote in message
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> Sinclair wrote:
>>
>> Are these cuts for defence or offensive capability. Was Iraq a defensive
>> war?
>
> Yes! Do we have to wait for a Saddam sponsored/funded attack, or hit him
> first? I say hit him first. We got hit on 9/11 with 3,000 innocent
> civilians killed. I don't want it to happen here again. Better there
> than here, better now than later.
More than 3,000 have been killed on British street by the IRA and what did
you do? Entertained Gerry Adams in the Clinton White House.
Sinclair
pijoe
pijoe
>
> Are you American when you want to be an not American when you do not want to
> be? American are responsible for their goverment. The U.S. military used
> biological warfare extensively against the Korean and Chinese people during
> the Korean Genocide. Fifteen years later Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were
> covered with Agent Orange.
You're an ass.
pijoe
>
>
> Keep this attitude and you _will_ have more terrorism in the US, and
> that is an absolute certainty!
Haven't you learned that appeasement is a failed concept??
Brian
> > bashing OK. We can all list things that other countries have done that
are
> > against 'human rights' of today.
>
> Americans with the sense to see through their own government's unending
> doubletalk are most likely to take Sinclair for a friend. He alerts
those
> who truly value democracy and freedom to the absurdity of supposing a
> government so disrespectful of liberty, both within its own borders and
> beyond, could ever gift others with those things - unless of course it
> reverts to ideals, values, and practice which have not been given much of
a
> run in years.
>
> Baba
Don't know where you intend to run with this either Baba. There are many
Americans who value democracy and freedom etc but of their own
interpretation. I can certainly, as you can, call any country I like. Why
however pound away at it?
To me the that people are responsible for their government and their
governments actions don't wash. It is correct that they govern in 'our name'
but, apart from elections, there is not a lot we can do about it.
Why should I tell a Spaniard how to vote or what is wrong with his country?
Brian
pijoe
>
> "pijoe" <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote in message
> > Sinclair wrote:
> >>
> >> Are these cuts for defence or offensive capability. Was Iraq a defensive
> >> war?
> >
> > Yes! Do we have to wait for a Saddam sponsored/funded attack, or hit him
> > first? I say hit him first. We got hit on 9/11 with 3,000 innocent
> > civilians killed. I don't want it to happen here again. Better there
> > than here, better now than later.
>
> war? Was it the weapons of Mass Destruction?
Saddam paid money, ($25,000) to the families of suicide bombers in
Palestine. Al-Quida met with Saddamk's Secret Police chief. Iraq was a
great resource for WMD when the sanctions were lifted, as France,
Russia, and others hoped. Go on all you like, but you can't make
arguements from bumpersticker one-liners, and that's all you people
have.
Anne Jackson
from pijoe <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> contains these words:
Your pre-emptive war in Iraq has hardly been an unqualified success,
now has it!
--
AnneJ
Sinclair
>
> The American People Never entertains anyone in the White House!
> Clinton/Kennedy sucked up to Gerry Adams! Not the American People.
> You need to listen to what joy is trying to say about the way you come
> across.
> Robert9Tx)
>
A people are responsible for their government Kings Presidents Chiefs govern
only with the consent of the governed.
Sinclair
pijoe
> When you link Bush, or any other American president, with Stalin, Saddam or
> Pol Pot you have blown it.
>
Baba can't live in the US, can he? Or any other country with anything
resembling a democratic government. He belongs in Cuba. That's the last
commie ghetto left, isn't it?
pijoe
And before he got head from Monica, Clinton called me up and asked, "Hey
Joe, wadda ya think?"
lonestar
RichaLlo3 wrote:
ROTFLOL!!!
Robert(Tx)
Yoj
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>
> "Brian" <cameeb@ ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:TUsbd.24$wy...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > > Concurrent jurisdiction such as the retrial on federal charges in
the
> > Rodney
> > > King case is a violation of res judicata, the principal of double
> > jeopardy.
> > > Have you read the USA Patriot Act, read it and tell me your civil
rights
> > are
> > > intact. Locking men away without charge or the means to defend
them
> > selves
> > > what is being done at The American Naval Base at Guantánamo? How
many
> > > detainees have been freed without charge? American citizens have
been
> held
> > > without charge in US Federal prisons
> > > Padilla and Hamdi are two Attorney General Ashcroft and the White
House
> > are
> > > considering creating a military detention camps for all U.S.
citizens
> > deemed
> > > by the administration to be enemy combatants. see the U.S. Supreme
Court
> > in
> > > Korematsu v. United States.
> > >
> > > By the way you are not a war only the Congress can declare war.
> > >
> > > You are not protecting us for Islamic terrorist you are creating
more.
> > >
> > > Sinclair
> >
> > Don't know where you intend to go with this Sinclair. If it is pure
US
> > bashing OK. We can all list things that other countries have done
that are
> > against 'human rights' of today.
>
> Americans with the sense to see through their own government's
unending
> doubletalk are most likely to take Sinclair for a friend. He alerts
those
> who truly value democracy and freedom to the absurdity of supposing a
> government so disrespectful of liberty, both within its own borders
and
> beyond, could ever gift others with those things - unless of course
it
> reverts to ideals, values, and practice which have not been given much
of a
> run in years.
>
> Baba
It's pretty hard to see someone as a friend when he accuses you
personally of committing atrocities. He persists in saying "You" have
done all these things. That is not the attitude of a friend.
Joy
pijoe
Well, do we have to do everything for you? Kill Adams yourselves.
pijoe
>
>
>
> I'll have to look at these sources, Sinclair. I do, of course,
> know about Agent Orange, and the research is also no surprise, but
> I haven't heard of germ-filled bomblets or the use of POWs as
> guinea pigs.
> --
Of course you haven't. He made it up. It's a lie. Michael Moore must be
his source of info.
lamb
Loes
RobertJ wrote:
>Thank You Bobbie! Goes to show you that John Kerry is popular in all
>countries.
>
>Robert
>
>"Bobbie" <saucy...@fawltytowers.com> wrote in message
>news:ckglo7$ia7$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> Today, we in Britain got the chance to vote for the new President of
>> USA...guess who won?
>> On the Jeremy Vine Show, a highly rated daily current affairs programme,
>> they help a vote for President. The results were as predicted
>> Kerry won with 62% of the vote
>> The figures on the Web Site are not complete since the vote was only given
>> at 2 pm.....
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/
>>
>> That's it then folks, Sorry but Bush is out, the British public have said
>> so......<vbg>
>>
>> Bobbie:-)
>
>
>
>
--
Loes
pijoe
>
> Concurrent jurisdiction such as the retrial on federal charges in the Rodney
> King case is a violation of res judicata, the principal of double jeopardy.
> Have you read the USA Patriot Act, read it and tell me your civil rights are
> intact. Locking men away without charge or the means to defend them selves
> what is being done at The American Naval Base at Guantánamo? How many
> detainees have been freed without charge? American citizens have been held
> without charge in US Federal prisons
> Padilla and Hamdi are two Attorney General Ashcroft and the White House are
> considering creating a military detention camps for all U.S. citizens deemed
> by the administration to be enemy combatants. see the U.S. Supreme Court in
> Korematsu v. United States.
>
> By the way you are not a war only the Congress can declare war.
>
> You are not protecting us for Islamic terrorist you are creating more.
>
fucked up on that one. Tell me where in the Patriot Act I've lost
rights.
The prisoners in Gitmo could rot there for all I care. If you're so
concerned, why don't you go there and dab their foreheard with a
dampened flannel?
Only Congress declare war? They did, when they authorized the 'use of
force' against Iraq.
Wadda ya want, a gauntlet thrown on the ground?
pijoe
>
> >Kerry for President with 62% of the vote.
>
> the debates, if nothing else, have shown the world Kerry is Presidential and
> sadly Bush is a bafoon. I wanta cry for Bush...
Like hell you do. Kerry got his clock cleaned last debate. Bush is a
leader. Kerry is a POS.
pijoe
>
> Speculation! The moon could be made of Green Cheese. Where is the empirical
> evidence?
>
>
wherever 'they' may be planning another attack here. And kill them
first. If you don't like it, why not figure out where it is, and go be a
human barrier, or whatever they call themselves.
lonestar
Baba Mung wrote:
Propaganda Drivel, Period.
Why should we expect anything different?
Robert(Tx)
Yoj
> Baba Mung wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you arguing that because the British military imprisoned people
without
> > charge in the South African veld a century ago, its OK for the
American
> > military to similarly imprison people on an island in the Caribbean
today?
> > That would be about as sensible as saying a crime is not a crime so
long as
> > it's been done before!
> >
> terrorists deserve anything other than a tribunal? (That's more than
I'd
> give those bastards. And the hell with being 'nice' in Fallujah. I'd
> flatten that rat-hole with B-52's, and the Hell with 'innocent
> civilians.' Then they'd learn their lesson about harboring
> 'insurgents.')
Definitely! Let's kill off the children who live there because they
dared to be born in the wrong place.
Joy
lonestar
Brian wrote:
Welp Brian, the propagonists(sp) are like that. They will continue to
spew their crap long after the election. For some reason, they are
jealous that they haven't been invited to come to the United States.
Robert(Tx)
Dink
Yeah, but he threw the baby out with the bath water.
--
Dink
N 30.21, W 97.81 http://snipurl.com/whereiam
"When you don't have botox, you can actually move your face." ~~ Jay Leno
lonestar
pijoe wrote:
>
> Explain Rodney King to me. And why it is double jeopardy. You are all
> fucked up on that one. Tell me where in the Patriot Act I've lost
> rights.
> The prisoners in Gitmo could rot there for all I care. If you're so
> concerned, why don't you go there and dab their foreheard with a
> dampened flannel?
> Only Congress declare war? They did, when they authorized the 'use of
> force' against Iraq.
> Wadda ya want, a gauntlet thrown on the ground?
Welp, I hate to say this, but our Gentleman, Sinclair, world visitor and
educated in the United States, at someone's expense, is definitely a
willful spreader of propaganda, as is the seemingly gentleman Baba.
Beware of those in sheep clothing.
Robert(Tx)
Toddy
Bombing the Mosque there into rubble would be a very bad idea.
Toddy
Icono Clast
> Icono Clast wrote:
> > What was asked of Joe McCarthy? "Have you no sense of decency?"
> Good thing McCarthy was around--
For whom?
> there were communists trying to infiltrate our society.
Most Communists in the USA were loyal, law-abiding, citizens who
"infiltrated" our society at birth, just as you and I.
> Got rid of the scum, didn't he?
No, he did not. Party membership was devastated on release of
Khruschev's speech. McCarthy did extensive harm while doing no good.
Many of us around then are still suffering from his legacy.
____________________________________________________________
A San Franciscan in (where else?) San Francisco
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 IClast at SFbay Net
lonestar
Baba Mung wrote:
> Americans with the sense to see through their own government's unending
> doubletalk are most likely to take Sinclair for a friend. He alerts those
> who truly value democracy and freedom to the absurdity of supposing a
> government so disrespectful of liberty, both within its own borders and
> beyond, could ever gift others with those things - unless of course it
> reverts to ideals, values, and practice which have not been given much of a
> run in years.
>
> Baba
Nope, some of us realize that Sinclair, who enjoyed getting an education
in the United States, paid by someone, is nothing but a smooth talking
troll, like you.
Robert(Tx)
Lloyd Lewellen
"pijoe" <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote in message
If authorizing the use of force and declaring war are the same, then you
are correct. I don't think they are, though. I was only a teen when we
were fighting with Korea. It was referred to as a "police action." I
believe that was because Congress did not declare war. Our sojourn in Nam?
Well, It was called by the sobriquet "war."
I'm afraid Congress would rather not declare war because then we would
have to win at all costs. We no longer have the moxie to do that.
We have the ability, though.
Lloyd
Lloyd Lewellen
"pijoe" <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote in message
I wish someone would hold him down and give him a shave. A St. Louis
Cardinal baseball cap would also make him more presentable.
Lloyd
pijoe
was not.
pijoe
> Definitely! Let's kill off the children who live there because they
> dared to be born in the wrong place.
All children should be strangled at birth!
pijoe
>
> pijoe on 10/14/2004 in alt.fifty-plus.friends wrote:
>
> > Icono Clast wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What was asked of Joe McCarthy? "Have you no sense of decency?"
> > >
> > Good thing McCarthy was around--there were communists trying to
> > infiltrate our society. Got rid of the scum, didn't he?
>
> Yeah, but he threw the baby out with the bath water.
pijoe
>
> pijoe <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote:
> > Icono Clast wrote:
> > > What was asked of Joe McCarthy? "Have you no sense of decency?"
>
> > Good thing McCarthy was around--
>
> For whom?
>
> > there were communists trying to infiltrate our society.
>
> Most Communists in the USA were loyal, law-abiding, citizens who
> "infiltrated" our society at birth, just as you and I.
freedom, and good living was the USSR, Cuba, Cambodia, China and on and
on.
Gene Seibel
If Britian wants him, they can have him.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.
lamb
I bet you haven't known many communists in your life.
--
Loes
pijoe
My best friend is a commie. But he's in love with the concept, and blind
to the evil reality. He's a good-hearted soul and charitable. As am I,
iwould like to beleive. Communism is a failure.
lonestar
lamb wrote:
I am glad I haven't. However, I am a bit suspicious of some of the
posters in afpf.
Robert(Tx)
lamb
Your best friend huh?
"The only good commie, is a dead commie"
--
Loes
pijoe
lamb
>> >My best friend is a commie. But he's in love with the concept, and blind
>> >to the evil reality. He's a good-hearted soul and charitable. As am I,
>> >iwould like to beleive. Communism is a failure.
>> >
>> >
>> Your best friend huh?
>> "The only good commie, is a dead commie"
>
>You know what I mean...
>
>
I hope so ......... I just wish you wouldn't make these "jokes"
--
Loes
pijoe
>
>
> I hope so ......... I just wish you wouldn't make these "jokes"
>
and onward) is truly evil. I'm glad it's dying out.
Sinclair
"pijoe" <pi...@REMOVEoperamail.com> wrote in message
A speaker explains the advantages of communism to the residents of a lunatic
asylum. Everybody applauds except for one guy standing at a distance.
"Why aren't you clapping," asks the speaker.
-
"I'm a nurse," he answers, "not a madman."
Sinclair
pijoe
>
>
>
> A speaker explains the advantages of communism to the residents of a lunatic
> asylum. Everybody applauds except for one guy standing at a distance.
>
> "Why aren't you clapping," asks the speaker.
> -
> "I'm a nurse," he answers, "not a madman."
>
!!Who writes your material?
lonestar
pijoe wrote:
Fidel Castro broke his knee. Ha! Ha! Ha!
pijoe
>
>
> Fidel Castro broke his knee. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Shouldn't that be "Fidel Castro broke his knee, do-dah, do-dah..."