I am waiting for his retraction.....
Lorraine
Some Audience Members Clap
POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot some
people."
Are you?
Lorraine
-----------------------------------------------
Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
The comment, made by Lt. Gen. James Mattis, came in reference to fighting
insurgents in Iraq. He went on to say, "Actually, its a lot of fun to fight.
You know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling."
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years
because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys like
that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to
shoot them."
About 200 people gathered for the discussion, held at the San Diego
Convention Center. While many military members laughed at the comments, a
military expert interviewed by NBC 7/39 called the comments "flippant."
"I was a little surprised," said Retired Vice Adm. Edward H. Martin. "I
don't think any of us who have ever fought in wars liked to kill anybody."
Mattis also discussed operational tactics of the war, calling on military
members not to underestimate the capacity of terrorists.
Mattis leads Camp Pendleton's 1st Marine Division in Iraq. He is in charge
of the Marine Corps combat development and is based in Quantico, Va.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/4153541/detail.html
Marsha
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Lorraine
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> Then he's sick!!!!
It's been on television (CNN) all afternoon. I honestly think that this man
should be court martialed for murder.
And if this is a sample of your generals what are the rest of them like?
I understand that the matter is now closed so he won't even be disciplined
but if this would have happened in another country with another general
making the same remarks about Americans, your president would have already
been dropping bombs on that country!
Lorraine
Kelly
to himself and others.
kelly
JD Cooper
Feb 3, 3:09 PM (ET)
By Will Dunham
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it
was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more
carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday.
Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who led troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, made the
comments at a conference Tuesday in San Diego.
"Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot.
It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like
brawling," said Mattis.
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five
years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said during a panel
discussion. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway.
So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."
In a statement, Gen. Michael Hagee, commander of the Marine Corps,
praised Mattis as "one of this country's bravest and most experienced
military leaders."
"While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments
made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and
harsh realities of war," Hagee said.
"I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should
have chosen his words more carefully," Hagee added.
Maj. Jason Johnston, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon, said Hagee did
not plan any disciplinary action against Mattis. Johnston declined to
provide details of how Hagee had counseled Mattis, calling it a private
matter.
At a Pentagon briefing on Thursday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
said he could not comment on the remarks, but Gen. Peter Pace, vice
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, praised the general as having set
a stellar example for troops in his service abroad.
Mattis is commander of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command at
Quantico, Virginia, south of Washington.
Marsha
will nothing happen to him?news:4qwMd.21882$Ck1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
Bobbie
"While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments
made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and
harsh realities of war," Hagee said.
Which is what many of us have been pointing out for ages......
......."thousands of innocent civilians killed, that is very much a
harsh reality........
Bar room braggadocio?
Bobbie
JD Cooper
JD
Phxbrd
"Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
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> Some Audience Members Clap
>
> POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
>
> SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
some
> people."
>
> Are you?
>
> Lorraine
> -----------------------------------------------
You gotta be kidding. Do you think we pick male librarians to lead troops
into battle?
If I had to go to war, I'd want to follow General George S. Patton, a pure
ring-tailed sunuvabitch I'd despise as a neighbor.
Send a dirty man to do a dirty man's job....
JD Cooper
> I haven't watched CNN and doubt that all our Generals are like this. Why
> will nothing happen to him?
MArsha... don't be naive. Such ostentation is common amongst the dogs of
war... hells bells! Patton said worse that this!
JD
Marsha
"JD Cooper" <never-a...@holyflyingcow.org> wrote in message
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Marian
>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across the
board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be penalized
for it.
Marian
______________________________
The (sorry) State of The DISUNION
[in cartoons]
http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid4866561
**********************************************
Grampa Wolfie
~~~~~~~~~
A Marine as seen by:
Himself:
A handsome, buff, highly trained professional killer and female idol
who carries a finely honed K-Bar, wears a crisp 8-point cammie cover
and is
always on time due to the absolute reliability of his Seiko digital
watch.
His Wife:
A stinking, gross, foul mouthed lovable bum who arrives back at home
every few months with a seabag full of dirty utilities, a huge Seiko
watch, an oversized knife, a filthy hat and hornier then hell.
Headquarters Marine Corps:
A drunken, brawling, HMMWV-stealing, woman-corrupting "cumshaw artist"
who wears a Seiko watch, an unauthorized K-Bar and a squared-away
cover.
His Commanding Officer:
A fine specimen of a drunken, brawling, HMMWV-stealing,
woman-corrupting bullshitter with an incredibly accurate Seiko watch, a
finely honed razor sharp K-Bar and a salty cammie cover.
What others have said:
Congress:
Marines are overpaid, overrated tax burdens who are indispensable since
they volunteer to go anywhere at any time and kill whoever they're told
to kill, as long as they can drink, brawl, steal HMMWVs, corrupt women
and sing dirty songs while wearing cammies, oversized knives, Seiko
watches and really screwed-up 8-point covers that don't look like the
Army's.
Ronald Reagan, former President of the United States:
"Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they've ever made a
difference in the world. Marines don't have that problem."
General Douglas MacArthur, US Army:
". . . these Marines have the swagger, confidence and hardness that
must have been in Stonewall Jackson's Army of the Shenandoah. They
remind me of the Coldstream Guards at Dunkirk."
Admiral Chester Nimitz, US Navy, on the Marine Corps' battle for Iwo
Jima:
"Uncommon valor was a common virtue"
General Douglas MacArthur, US Army:
"I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front. There is
not a finer fighting organization in the world!"
LtCol T R Fehrenbach, USA, in "This Kind of War":
"The man who will go where his colors go without asking, who will fight
a phantom foe in a jungle or a mountain range, and who will suffer and
die in the midst of incredible hardship, without complaint, is still
what he has always been, from Imperial Rome to sceptered Britain to
democratic America. He is the stuff of which legends are made. His
pride is his colors and his regiment, his training hard and thorough
and coldly realistic, to fit him for what he must face, and his
obedience is to his orders. As a legionnaire, he held the gates of
civilization for the classical world ... today he is called United
States Marine."
An Anonymous Canadian Citizen:
"Marines are about the most peculiar breed of human beings I have ever
witnessed. They treat their service as if it was some kind of cult,
plastering their emblem on almost everything they own, making
themselves up to look like insane fanatics with haircuts so short as to
be ungentlemanly, worshipping their Commandant as if he was a god, and
making weird animal noises like a band of savages. They'll fight like
rabid dogs at the drop of a hat just for the sake of a little action
and are the cockiest SOBs I've
ever known. Most have the foulest mouths and drink well beyond man's
normal limits, but their high spirits and sense of brotherhood set them
apart and, generally speaking, of the United States Marines with whom
I've come in contact, are the most professional warriors and the finest
men I've had the pleasure to meet."
General John J "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army:
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle!"
General Mark Clark, US Army:
"The more Marines I have around the better I like it!"
General Johnson, US Army:
"I can never again see a United States Marine without experiencing a
feeling of reverence."
Richard Harding Davis, war correspondent (1885):
"The Marines have landed, and the situation is well in hand."
A Marine Drill Instructor at Parris Island:
"Did you come here just to spoil my beloved Corps, maggot?"
A boot camp weapons coach:
"To a Marine, happiness is a belt-fed weapon."
LtCol Oliver North, USMC (ret):
"The only people I like beside my wife and kids are Marines."
MajGen J N Mattis, CG, 1st MarDiv - Iraq, March 2003:
"You are part of the world's most feared and trusted fighting force.
Engage your brain before you engage your weapon. Share your courage
with
each other as we enter the uncertain terrain north of our Line of
Departure. Keep faith in your comrades on your left and right and
Marine
Air overhead. Fight with a happy heart and a strong spirit. For the
mission's sake, our country's sake and the sake of the men who carried
the Division's colors in past battles -- who fought for life and never
lost their nerve -- carry out your mission and keep your honor clean.
Demonstrate to the world there is 'No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy'
than a United States Marine."
Eleanor Roosevelt - 1945:
"The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the
filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group
I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps."
~~~~~~~~~~~
Wolfie, et al
Val Adams
EVal
JD Cooper
>>From: JD Cooper
>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>
>
> Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across the
> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be penalized
> for it.
>
> Marian
Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the likes
of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
JD
JD Cooper
JD
Marian
>>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>>
>>
>> Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across the
>> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be
>penalized
>> for it.
>>
>> Marian
>
>Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the likes
>of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
>
>JD
As if that were the only choice...
Marian
>>>Feb 3, 3:09 PM (ET)
>>>
>>>By Will Dunham
>>
>>
>>>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it
>>>was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more
>>>carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday.
>>>
>>>Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who led troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, made the
>>>comments at a conference Tuesday in San Diego.
>>>
>>>"Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot.
>>>It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like
>>>brawling," said Mattis.
[...]
Lorraine
> Marian wrote:
>
>>>From: JD Cooper
>>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>>
>>
>> Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across
>> the
>> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be
>> penalized
>> for it.
>>
>> Marian
>
> Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the likes
> of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
>
> JD
Why don't you volunteer to sign up then?
I am sure they will take you to clean up the latrines and then your mouth
would match the muck you are cleaning out on behalf of others.
Lorraine
Bobbie
> Marian wrote:
>
>>> From: JD Cooper
>>> A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across
>> the
>> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be
>> penalized
>> for it.
>>
>> Marian
>
>
> Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the likes
> of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
>
> JD
>
You do have a way with words JD, what if that do gooder was the very
person to save your life?
Not sure I go along with the description of do-gooder, although I am
sure some must be just as you describe, most of the male do-gooders I
know are neither limp wristed or politically correct, and could knock
your block off in a second.....and a good many females too. so go easy
on the generalisations......Lots of do-gooders here too dontcha know....
That General is an insult to the uniform....
Bobbie...
Lorraine
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Then Georges W. Bush should be in the front line. How much more dirtier can
a man be than him?
Lorraine
Marian
Very stirring! But, surely a Marine General can be expected to have the
discernment to know when & where to speak like that? History's gonna forget
the quote immediately above, in favor of the one creating today's uproar, and
that's too bad.
Marian
Lorraine
>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
For you, an American, it might be!
Not for the normal citizens in the rest of the world though!
I guess everything done or said by Americans is ok as long as it's not done
or said against an American.
This bastard said it exactly how it happens...how can he have choosen his
words more carefully?
Lorraine
Grampa Wolfie
"
EVal
Was kinda poetic in spots; wasn't it, Val? It's clear Mattis will
never be commandant...but Lt. General ain't so bad. <g>
Wolfie, et al
Val Adams
heh...especially with most or all of his command all alive-o ;)
Grampa Wolfie
know when & where to speak like that?"
Yes, he should have. It was NOT the right audience for such comments.
But, and I say this with all due respect, the civilian world NEVER
understands the military attitude towards combat. It's ugly. It's not
philosophical. And civilians SHOULD be shocked when they are faced
with the realities of combat. But we should strive to stop war, not
take offense at ill-timed comments made in the wrong place, to the
wrong audience, by a man whose business is combat.
When drug addicts tell their stories to non-users, the listeners are
horrified at the depravity they hear described. They cannot believe it
could ever happen to them. (and it could, and it does) And they DO NOT
understand. Same with combat. The depravity horrifies you (civilians)
but, if you ain't BEEN there, you'll NEVER understand. Let us stop
war. Thank God for the US Marines until we do.
Wolfie, et al
**Dalin**
the rest of his life. His gravestone has the government plaque in
brass on it stating his rank and that he was a MARINE! :-) He was 29
years old when he joined, too old for the draft, leaving behind a
wife, a mother and mother-in-law of whom he was the sole support, a 4
yr. old daughter and a five month old daughter because his country
needed him. That's what a Marine is all about.
Dalin
On 3 Feb 2005 14:18:36 -0800, "Grampa Wolfie"
Dink
Right on.
--
Dink
N 30.21, W 97.81 http://snipurl.com/whereiam
"Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants
thereof - Lev. XXV, v. x. By order of the Assembly of the Province
of Pensylvania [sic] for the State House in Philada." -- Liberty Bell
Inscription
**Dalin**
<lorraine.verona@(Unwanted)videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>"JD Cooper" <never-a...@holyflyingcow.org> wrote in message
>news:crednZlshtW...@texas.net...
>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>
>For you, an American, it might be!
>Not for the normal citizens in the rest of the world though!
>I guess everything done or said by Americans is ok as long as it's not done
>or said against an American.
>
>This bastard said it exactly how it happens...how can he have choosen his
>words more carefully?
>
>Lorraine
Why does it bother you so much? He's not one of yours.
Dalin
>
JD Cooper
Hey, f*ck-face frenchy frog, I already did my time and did not flee to
the land of yellow stripes and fence straddlers....
JD
JD Cooper
Perhaps the problem is that we do not think alike. I shall let the issue
rest if you will... otherwise I have plenty to say.
JD
JD Cooper
> "JD Cooper" <never-a...@holyflyingcow.org> wrote in message
> news:crednZlshtW...@texas.net...
>
>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>
>
> For you, an American, it might be!
> Not for the normal citizens in the rest of the world though!
> I guess everything done or said by Americans is ok as long as it's not done
> or said against an American.
>
> This bastard said it exactly how it happens...how can he have choosen his
> words more carefully?
>
> Lorraine
It really does bother you surrender-monkeys, doesn't it...
JD
Baba
"Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(Unwanted)videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:edyMd.17105$lh6.2...@wagner.videotron.net...
I can't see why anybody be surprised to hear the man speak as he and many of
his fellows have been seen to be doing. Given that he's made it to the rank
of General and an active command and he is not being disciplined, it seems
reasonable to take him as a measure of what the US wants of its soldiers
these days and what the world can expect of them.
Baba
JD Cooper
Well done and I salute!
JD
Jim Chandler
subject? Good grief! You try to take EVERY word someone says as real.
Try looking at something outside the narrow little minds you have for
once. I would imagine that the General was having a little fun with the
folks there.
JimC
Marsha wrote:
> Then he's sick!!!!
> "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
>>Some Audience Members Clap
>>
>>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
>>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
>>
>>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
>>general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
>>some
>>people."
>>
>>Are you?
>>
>>Lorraine
>>-----------------------------------------------
>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
>>
Francis1234
one of their finist hours.
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Jim Chandler
much bigger fool than I have ever taken you for, Lorraine.
JimC
Lorraine wrote:
> "Marsha" <mhuc...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:ecwMd.14613$qJ3....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
>>Then he's sick!!!!
>
>
> It's been on television (CNN) all afternoon. I honestly think that this man
> should be court martialed for murder.
> And if this is a sample of your generals what are the rest of them like?
> I understand that the matter is now closed so he won't even be disciplined
> but if this would have happened in another country with another general
> making the same remarks about Americans, your president would have already
> been dropping bombs on that country!
>
> Lorraine
>
>
Jim Chandler
was obviously not serious? I guess you liberal types don't have any
sort of sense of humor, you just have to be so "sensitive" all the time.
JimC
Marsha wrote:
> I haven't watched CNN and doubt that all our Generals are like this. Why
> will nothing happen to him?
> "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> news:4qwMd.21882$Ck1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
Jim Chandler
that in a war people get killed and you don't some swishy little gay guy
leading the fight.
JimC
Phxbrd wrote:
> "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
>>Some Audience Members Clap
>>
>>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
>>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
>>
>>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
>>general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
>
> some
>
>>people."
>>
>>Are you?
>>
>>Lorraine
>>-----------------------------------------------
>
>
Jim Chandler
JimC
Marian wrote:
>>From: JD Cooper
>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>
>
> Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across the
> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be penalized
> for it.
>
> Marian
>
>
>>Feb 3, 3:09 PM (ET)
>>
>>By Will Dunham
>
>
>>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it
>>was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more
>>carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday.
>>
>>Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who led troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, made the
>>comments at a conference Tuesday in San Diego.
>>
>>"Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot.
>>It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like
>>brawling," said Mattis.
>>
>>"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five
>>years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said during a panel
>>discussion. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway.
>>So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."
>>
>>In a statement, Gen. Michael Hagee, commander of the Marine Corps,
>>praised Mattis as "one of this country's bravest and most experienced
>>military leaders."
>>
>>"While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments
>>made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and
>>harsh realities of war," Hagee said.
>>
>>"I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should
>>have chosen his words more carefully," Hagee added.
>>
>>Maj. Jason Johnston, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon, said Hagee did
>>not plan any disciplinary action against Mattis. Johnston declined to
>>provide details of how Hagee had counseled Mattis, calling it a private
>>matter.
>>
>>At a Pentagon briefing on Thursday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
>>said he could not comment on the remarks, but Gen. Peter Pace, vice
>>chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, praised the general as having set
>>a stellar example for troops in his service abroad.
>>
>>Mattis is commander of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command at
>>Quantico, Virginia, south of Washington.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lorraine wrote:
>>
>>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
>>>Some Audience Members Clap
>>>
>>>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
>>>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
>>>
>>>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
>>>general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
>>
>>some
>>
>>>people."
>>>
>>>Are you?
>>>
>>>Lorraine
>
>
>
>
>
Francis1234
Generals of the Second World War.
And Patton was not one of America's finist generals. Calling one wounded GI
a coward because he didn't die fighting.
"JD Cooper" <never-a...@holyflyingcow.org> wrote in message
news:re2dnU9US4H...@texas.net...
> Marsha wrote:
>
> > I haven't watched CNN and doubt that all our Generals are like this. Why
> > will nothing happen to him?
>
> MArsha... don't be naive. Such ostentation is common amongst the dogs of
> war... hells bells! Patton said worse that this!
>
> JD
>
> > "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4qwMd.21882$Ck1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> >>"Marsha" <mhuc...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>news:ecwMd.14613$qJ3....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >>
> >>>Then he's sick!!!!
> >>
> >>It's been on television (CNN) all afternoon. I honestly think that this
> >>man
> >>should be court martialed for murder.
> >>And if this is a sample of your generals what are the rest of them like?
> >>I understand that the matter is now closed so he won't even be
disciplined
> >>but if this would have happened in another country with another general
> >>making the same remarks about Americans, your president would have
already
> >>been dropping bombs on that country!
> >>
> >>Lorraine
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >>>
> >>>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >>>>Some Audience Members Clap
> >>>>
> >>>>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> >>>>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
> >>>>
> >>>>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> >>>>general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to
shoot
> >>>>some
> >>>>people."
> >>>>
> >>>>Are you?
> >>>>
> >>>>Lorraine
> >>>>-----------------------------------------------
> >>>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >>>>
> >>>>The comment, made by Lt. Gen. James Mattis, came in reference to
> >>
> >>fighting
> >>
> >>>>insurgents in Iraq. He went on to say, "Actually, its a lot of fun to
> >>>>fight.
> >>>>You know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling."
> >>>>
> >>>>"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5
> >>>>years
> >>>>because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys
> >>>>like
> >>>>that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun
> >>>>to
> >>>>shoot them."
> >>>>
Francis1234
think, that getting rid of generals the killing would stop.
"Bobbie" <naugh...@nonsuch.com> wrote in message
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> You think?
>
>
> "While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments
> made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and
> harsh realities of war," Hagee said.
>
> Which is what many of us have been pointing out for ages......
> ......."thousands of innocent civilians killed, that is very much a
> harsh reality........
> Bar room braggadocio?
>
> Bobbie
Jim Chandler
to. As for your limp-wristed do-gooder, I doubt that any of them would
ever save anyone's life because they wouldn't be there in the first
place. They couldn't make the cut.
JimC
Jim Chandler
shoulders. You are pathetic.
JimC
Jim Chandler
JimC
Jim Chandler
scouts defending you or coming to rescue you, if the need arose? I
think NOT.
JimC
Francis1234
citizens that has spoken oui strongly against the War Crimes of Bush and his
lackies.
Real Jusice is slow but it is sure,
The Vietnam carnage went on for over a dozenyears before the slaughter was
over,
"Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(Unwanted)videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Francis1234
large group armed with modern arms are being out-foxed by irregulars armed
only with weapons left over from the Vietnam war.
"Marian" <lust...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>>From: JD Cooper
> >>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across
the
> >> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be
> >penalized
> >> for it.
> >>
> >> Marian
> >
> >Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the likes
> >of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
> >
> >JD
>
> As if that were the only choice...
>
> Marian
>
> >>>Feb 3, 3:09 PM (ET)
> >>>
> >>>By Will Dunham
> >>
> >>
> >>>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it
> >>>was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more
> >>>carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on
Thursday.
> >>>
> >>>Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who led troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, made the
> >>>comments at a conference Tuesday in San Diego.
> >>>
> >>>"Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot.
> >>>It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like
> >>>brawling," said Mattis.
> [...]
Francis1234
parrots right wing garbage.
Now I have a way with words that penetrates these flag wavers thin skin and
sends them into rages. He won't dare take me on as he knows that he will be
made the laughting stock of the newsgroups.
It's the Do Gooders that are the courageous Americans that stands up for
justice and and Constitutional Law, not the camp followig JDs that not
having any constructive imput trys to demean to make themselves look
important. But are just vugar camp folloewers that plauges any real armed
force.
By the way wasn't Jesus a good-doer?
"Bobbie" <saucy...@jocksplace.com> wrote in message
news:ctuarb$2ek$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> JD Cooper wrote:
> > Marian wrote:
> >
> >>> From: JD Cooper
> >>> A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across
> >> the
> >> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be
> >> penalized
> >> for it.
> >>
> >> Marian
> >
> >
> > Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the likes
> > of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
> >
> > JD
> >
>
Francis1234
"JD Cooper" <no-pr...@stuff.com> wrote in message
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Francis1234
you want to be amused!
You know Dalin that was really a asnine remark
"**Dalin**" <lj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Francis1234
"JD Cooper" <no-pr...@stuff.com> wrote in message
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Francis1234
butt would certainly be safe following your nose stuck up the butt of a
General heading south while his troops were traveling north.
By the way how many generals has so far been killed fighting beside their
troops in Iraq?
"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> > Some Audience Members Clap
> >
> > POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> > UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
> >
> > SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> > general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
> some
> > people."
> >
> > Are you?
> >
> > Lorraine
> > -----------------------------------------------
>
Francis1234
"Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(Unwanted)videotron.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:36fl0tF...@individual.net...
> >
> > "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> > news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >> Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >> Some Audience Members Clap
> >>
> >> POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> >> UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
> >>
> >> SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> >> general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
> > some
> >> people."
> >>
> >> Are you?
> >>
> >> Lorraine
> >> -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > You gotta be kidding. Do you think we pick male librarians to lead
troops
> > into battle?
> >
> > If I had to go to war, I'd want to follow General George S. Patton, a
pure
> > ring-tailed sunuvabitch I'd despise as a neighbor.
> >
> > Send a dirty man to do a dirty man's job....
> >
>
Lonestar
Robert(Tx)
Grampa Wolfie wrote:
> I pinched this from a Marine.
> ~~~~~~~~~
>
> A Marine as seen by:
>
> Himself:
>
> A handsome, buff, highly trained professional killer and female idol
> who carries a finely honed K-Bar, wears a crisp 8-point cammie cover
> and is
> always on time due to the absolute reliability of his Seiko digital
> watch.
>
> His Wife:
> A stinking, gross, foul mouthed lovable bum who arrives back at home
> every few months with a seabag full of dirty utilities, a huge Seiko
> watch, an oversized knife, a filthy hat and hornier then hell.
>
> Headquarters Marine Corps:
> A drunken, brawling, HMMWV-stealing, woman-corrupting "cumshaw artist"
> who wears a Seiko watch, an unauthorized K-Bar and a squared-away
> cover.
>
> His Commanding Officer:
> A fine specimen of a drunken, brawling, HMMWV-stealing,
> woman-corrupting bullshitter with an incredibly accurate Seiko watch, a
> finely honed razor sharp K-Bar and a salty cammie cover.
>
> What others have said:
>
> Congress:
> Marines are overpaid, overrated tax burdens who are indispensable since
> they volunteer to go anywhere at any time and kill whoever they're told
> to kill, as long as they can drink, brawl, steal HMMWVs, corrupt women
> and sing dirty songs while wearing cammies, oversized knives, Seiko
> watches and really screwed-up 8-point covers that don't look like the
> Army's.
>
> Ronald Reagan, former President of the United States:
> "Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they've ever made a
> difference in the world. Marines don't have that problem."
>
> General Douglas MacArthur, US Army:
> ". . . these Marines have the swagger, confidence and hardness that
> must have been in Stonewall Jackson's Army of the Shenandoah. They
> remind me of the Coldstream Guards at Dunkirk."
>
> Admiral Chester Nimitz, US Navy, on the Marine Corps' battle for Iwo
> Jima:
>
> "Uncommon valor was a common virtue"
>
> General Douglas MacArthur, US Army:
> "I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front. There is
> not a finer fighting organization in the world!"
>
> LtCol T R Fehrenbach, USA, in "This Kind of War":
> "The man who will go where his colors go without asking, who will fight
> a phantom foe in a jungle or a mountain range, and who will suffer and
> die in the midst of incredible hardship, without complaint, is still
> what he has always been, from Imperial Rome to sceptered Britain to
> democratic America. He is the stuff of which legends are made. His
> pride is his colors and his regiment, his training hard and thorough
> and coldly realistic, to fit him for what he must face, and his
> obedience is to his orders. As a legionnaire, he held the gates of
> civilization for the classical world ... today he is called United
> States Marine."
>
> An Anonymous Canadian Citizen:
> "Marines are about the most peculiar breed of human beings I have ever
> witnessed. They treat their service as if it was some kind of cult,
> plastering their emblem on almost everything they own, making
> themselves up to look like insane fanatics with haircuts so short as to
> be ungentlemanly, worshipping their Commandant as if he was a god, and
> making weird animal noises like a band of savages. They'll fight like
> rabid dogs at the drop of a hat just for the sake of a little action
> and are the cockiest SOBs I've
> ever known. Most have the foulest mouths and drink well beyond man's
> normal limits, but their high spirits and sense of brotherhood set them
> apart and, generally speaking, of the United States Marines with whom
> I've come in contact, are the most professional warriors and the finest
> men I've had the pleasure to meet."
>
> General John J "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army:
> "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle!"
>
> General Mark Clark, US Army:
> "The more Marines I have around the better I like it!"
>
> General Johnson, US Army:
> "I can never again see a United States Marine without experiencing a
> feeling of reverence."
>
> Richard Harding Davis, war correspondent (1885):
> "The Marines have landed, and the situation is well in hand."
>
> A Marine Drill Instructor at Parris Island:
> "Did you come here just to spoil my beloved Corps, maggot?"
>
> A boot camp weapons coach:
> "To a Marine, happiness is a belt-fed weapon."
>
> LtCol Oliver North, USMC (ret):
> "The only people I like beside my wife and kids are Marines."
>
> MajGen J N Mattis, CG, 1st MarDiv - Iraq, March 2003:
> "You are part of the world's most feared and trusted fighting force.
> Engage your brain before you engage your weapon. Share your courage
> with
> each other as we enter the uncertain terrain north of our Line of
> Departure. Keep faith in your comrades on your left and right and
> Marine
> Air overhead. Fight with a happy heart and a strong spirit. For the
> mission's sake, our country's sake and the sake of the men who carried
> the Division's colors in past battles -- who fought for life and never
> lost their nerve -- carry out your mission and keep your honor clean.
> Demonstrate to the world there is 'No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy'
> than a United States Marine."
>
> Eleanor Roosevelt - 1945:
> "The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the
> filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group
> I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Wolfie, et al
>
Lonestar
JD Cooper wrote:
>
> Hey, f*ck-face frenchy frog, I already did my time and did not flee to
> the land of yellow stripes and fence straddlers....
>
> JD
Why don't you ignore the Osama Loving Bitch?
Robert(Yer Texas Neighbor)
Lonestar
Baba wrote:
> I can't see why anybody be surprised to hear the man speak as he and many of
> his fellows have been seen to be doing. Given that he's made it to the rank
> of General and an active command and he is not being disciplined, it seems
> reasonable to take him as a measure of what the US wants of its soldiers
> these days and what the world can expect of them.
>
> Baba
Why don't you worry as much about your own screwed up native country?
Your people don't speak, they just commit wholesale rape and murder.
Robert(Tx)
Lonestar
Francis1234 wrote:
> What else would one expect to hear from a stupid jarhead. This war is not
> one of their finist hours.
When are you going to learn to use your spell chunker?
Robert(Tx)
Kelly
> A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
>
> "Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a
> I like brawling," said Mattis.
>
> "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five
> years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said during a panel
> discussion. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left
> anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."
Goodness gracious! If that's how they enjoy spending their evenings.
I'm not going to say anything about the "harsh reality" mentioned further
down ....
It's people like him, JD, that give a bad image of Americans abroad. Can you
imagine how people will react to this all over the world?
But I guess this is what _you_ would call free speech. I must say I don't
think much of that.
No wonder there are inncont civilians strewn about.
Kelly
Kelly
> Yes. I have heard worse and it is usually meaningless.
>
> JD
As the war in Iraq!
Kelly
Kelly
> Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the
> likes of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
>
> JD
>
Kelly
Kelly
> You're wrong, Bobbie, as usual. That General is someone to be looked
> up to. As for your limp-wristed do-gooder, I doubt that any of them
> would ever save anyone's life because they wouldn't be there in the
> first place. They couldn't make the cut.
>
> JimC
Well, if you can look up to people like that ...
Kelly
Kelly
> Why does it bother you so much? He's not one of yours.
>
> Dalin
Do you mean it didn't bother you, Dalin?
You are surprised when people react abroad, but this is one of the reasons
why.
Kelly
Bobbie
taken in the spirit in which it was sent.....
Bobbie
Vickie
Grampa Wolfie wrote:
[...]
> Eleanor Roosevelt - 1945:
> "The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the
> filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group
> I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps."
;-)
Women have been serving in the Marines for over 60 years. The Lady
Leathernecks in my family served in Korea and Desert Storm.
v
Baba
"Francis1234" <franc...@fuse.net> wrote in message
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> ..
>.By the way how many generals has so far been killed fighting
> beside their troops in Iraq?
>
Pertinent question!
Baba
**Dalin**
wrote:
What bothered me was the hate I always hear in Lorraine's posts. She
takes great pleasure in finding anything she can to bash America and
Americans. If you recall when we had lost 300 soldiers at the
beginning of the war, it was Lorraine who said she wished it had been
more.
I didn't like what he said either. I think it was a poor choice of
words. But when you see how Saddam's soldiers mistreated the
citizens, I think I understand that there could be a certain pleasure
in giving back to them what they have done to others. A sort of
revenge if you will.
Dalin
>
Bobbie
What Saddams soldiers did to Iraqi citizens was appalling, yet the
Powers that be sat by while our soldiers were doing just as appalling
things it to untried citizens too.....and I hate to think of anyone
deriving pleasure in killing unless of course they are
psychopaths....and I am sure there are few of those too...
Bobbie
Marsha
questions. I haven't read about or still heard about it.
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:URBMd.3216$uc.3212@trnddc04...
> Why SHOULD something happen to him? Have YOU never said anything that was
> obviously not serious? I guess you liberal types don't have any sort of
> sense of humor, you just have to be so "sensitive" all the time.
>
> JimC
>
> Marsha wrote:
>
>> I haven't watched CNN and doubt that all our Generals are like this. Why
>> will nothing happen to him?>> news:4qwMd.21882$Ck1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>
>>>"Marsha" <mhuc...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>news:ecwMd.14613$qJ3....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>>>Then he's sick!!!!
>>>
>>>It's been on television (CNN) all afternoon. I honestly think that this
>>>man
>>>should be court martialed for murder.
>>>And if this is a sample of your generals what are the rest of them like?
>>>I understand that the matter is now closed so he won't even be
>>>disciplined
>>>but if this would have happened in another country with another general
>>>making the same remarks about Americans, your president would have
>>>already
>>>been dropping bombs on that country!
>>>
>>>Lorraine
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
>>>>>Some Audience Members Clap
>>>>>
>>>>>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
>>>>>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
>>>>>
>>>>>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
>>>>>some
>>>>>people."
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you?
>>>>>
>>>>>Lorraine
>>>>>-----------------------------------------------
>>>>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
>>>>>
>>>
>>>fighting
>>>
>>>>>fight.
>>>>>You know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling."
>>>>>
>>>>>"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5
>>>>>years
>>>>>because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys
>>>>>that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun
>>>>>to
>>>>>shoot them."
>>>>>
Phxbrd
"Lonestar" <wes...@charter.net> wrote in message
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I try to avoid comment on the matter, but I DO grow weary of hearing how
wonderful the Marines are. Most of it comes under 'urban legend', as the
Marines are no better or worse than the main branches of service who just go
about their business without all the hoopla and unvarnished bullshit. I
blame Hollywood and their gullible fans....
>
Phxbrd
"Kelly" <ella....@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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That's just silly. Politicians create the wars that professional soldiers
fight. Politicians also make soldiers 'hit easy', which is the very worst
way in the world to 'fight' a war. See Vietnam
**Dalin**
wrote:
You have to remember that soldiers, ours, yours, theirs come in all
sorts of sizes, shapes, backgrounds, personalities. Yes there are
soldiers who take pleasure in hurting those who have hurt others.
There are civilians who do the same thing. Perhaps revenge was the
wrong word, maybe punishment would have been better.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I think it is human to want to
punish people, to hurt them, people who do things like rape women,
take children away from their families and all the terrible atrocities
that were committed while Saddam was in power.
I've never been in a combat situation but I suspect good people do
terrible things when under such stress, things they would never think
of doing if they were not fearful for their own lives. And I'm not
trying to make excuses for those who tortured untried citizens either.
It was wrong. But it is also war and war changes people, changes
personalities I think.
Dalin
Phxbrd
Kelly, I cannot imagine where your head must be. Please, please, please
give us an example or two of what you consider good generals to be like,
mebbe including some pleasant little things they've said about their enemies
and the fighting of them.
>
>
Bobbie
as capable of command as a psychopathic General. Please don't tell me
that among your other wonderful qualities you are homophobic....?
Bobbie
Jim Chandler wrote:
> Finally, someone with a brain. These liberals can't fathom the fact
> that in a war people get killed and you don't some swishy little gay guy
> leading the fight.
>
> JimC
>
> Phxbrd wrote:
>
>> "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
>> news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>
>>> Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
>>> Some Audience Members Clap
>>>
>>> POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
>>> UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
>>>
>>> SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
>>> general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
>>
>>
>> some
>>
>>> people."
>>>
Phxbrd
> Maybe JD or phxird? Or maybe Rice
Here's one thing you can hang your hat on: I'm as peaceable as any man can
be. There's no cat in my lap, but I love slippers and hearth. Howsumever,
put me in charge of fighting men and I'll do my very best to show them the
rottenest, bloodthirstiest killing machine they've ever seen or dreamed of -
and they'll love me for it. That's just how it is.
War's a bitch. Don't start 'em.
Phxbrd
"Bobbie" <naugh...@nonsuch.com> wrote in message
news:cu05lo$33b$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> and why not Jim?, are you insinuating that a gay man is not as brave or
> as capable of command as a psychopathic General. Please don't tell me
> that among your other wonderful qualities you are homophobic....?
>
> Bobbie
Sweet Haysoos! Give us a quick list of homosexual males you'd like to see
lead our fighting men. Take your time....
Phxbrd
"Baba" <Inser...@blueyondernospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XbKMd.2671$B8....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Only for those of you who've read little history is it possible for no
generals to have been killed in combat. If Iraq continues as it probably
will, you'll likely have your dreams come true.
Bobbie
>>Our troops kill for revenge?, I do sincerely hope not.
>>What Saddams soldiers did to Iraqi citizens was appalling, yet the
>>Powers that be sat by while our soldiers were doing just as appalling
>>things it to untried citizens too.....and I hate to think of anyone
>>deriving pleasure in killing unless of course they are
>>psychopaths....and I am sure there are few of those too...
>>
>>Bobbie
>
>
> You have to remember that soldiers, ours, yours, theirs come in all
> sorts of sizes, shapes, backgrounds, personalities. Yes there are
> soldiers who take pleasure in hurting those who have hurt others.
> There are civilians who do the same thing. Perhaps revenge was the
> wrong word, maybe punishment would have been better.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is I think it is human to want to
> punish people, to hurt them, people who do things like rape women,
> take children away from their families and all the terrible atrocities
> that were committed while Saddam was in power.
>
> I've never been in a combat situation but I suspect good people do
> terrible things when under such stress, things they would never think
> of doing if they were not fearful for their own lives. And I'm not
> trying to make excuses for those who tortured untried citizens either.
> It was wrong. But it is also war and war changes people, changes
> personalities I think.
>
> Dalin
>
newsgroup......I would go so far as to say it is almost possible to
recognise the different types from some of the comments. I just hope I
am mistaken....
Bobbie
Phxbrd
"Vickie" <VBF...@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:36h47lF...@individual.net...
And no GI of any branch hated anyone more than they hated Eleanor Roosevelt.
She took away their prostitutes and beer.
>
Francis1234
Not being of a Tory disposition I'm not likely to be a morphed Liberal.
Fact is I'm a Populist, meaning I champion the people.
Marx would be appalled, your calling a learned Proletariat, a lacky
bourgeoisie right winger. Where I come from we call these types butt
kissers.
.
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:URBMd.3216$uc.3212@trnddc04...
> Why SHOULD something happen to him? Have YOU never said anything that
> was obviously not serious? I guess you liberal types don't have any
> sort of sense of humor, you just have to be so "sensitive" all the time.
>
> JimC
>
> Marsha wrote:
>
> > I haven't watched CNN and doubt that all our Generals are like this. Why
> > will nothing happen to him?
> > "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4qwMd.21882$Ck1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> >>"Marsha" <mhuc...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>news:ecwMd.14613$qJ3....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >>
> >>>Then he's sick!!!!
> >>
> >>It's been on television (CNN) all afternoon. I honestly think that this
> >>man
> >>should be court martialed for murder.
> >>And if this is a sample of your generals what are the rest of them like?
> >>I understand that the matter is now closed so he won't even be
disciplined
> >>but if this would have happened in another country with another general
> >>making the same remarks about Americans, your president would have
already
> >>been dropping bombs on that country!
> >>
> >>Lorraine
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >>>
> >>>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >>>>Some Audience Members Clap
> >>>>
> >>>>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> >>>>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
> >>>>
> >>>>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> >>>>general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to
shoot
> >>>>some
> >>>>people."
> >>>>
> >>>>Are you?
> >>>>
> >>>>Lorraine
> >>>>-----------------------------------------------
> >>>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >>>>
> >>>>The comment, made by Lt. Gen. James Mattis, came in reference to
> >>
> >>fighting
> >>
> >>>>insurgents in Iraq. He went on to say, "Actually, its a lot of fun to
> >>>>fight.
> >>>>You know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling."
> >>>>
> >>>>"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5
> >>>>years
> >>>>because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys
> >>>>like
> >>>>that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun
> >>>>to
> >>>>shoot them."
> >>>>
Francis1234
your bloated head.
Can I help it if I was born a Yankee and not a texsan with that countryfied
drawl?
By the way can you read this Yankee writing?
"Lonestar" <wes...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
>
Kelly
Don't tell me they're all like that, please!
We have a friend here who's certainly never talked of his "enemies" like
that.
I don't know any American generals apart from what I read in the papers or
what I've heard people say - so I'm afraid I can't give you any examples.
Kelly
Francis1234
"JD Cooper" <no-pr...@stuff.com> wrote in message
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> Lorraine wrote:
> > "JD Cooper" <never-a...@holyflyingcow.org> wrote in message
> > news:0tCdnZOgk8b...@texas.net...
> >
> >>Marian wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>From: JD Cooper
> >>>>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hardly. A General with an active command? I agree with Lorraine across
> >>>the
> >>>board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be
> >>>penalized
> >>>for it.
> >>>
> >>>Marian
> >>
> >>Suit yourself. I'd go to war with the likes of him rather that the likes
> >>of some limp wristed politically correct corn flake do-gooder.
> >>
> >>JD
> >
> >
> > Why don't you volunteer to sign up then?
> > I am sure they will take you to clean up the latrines and then your
mouth
> > would match the muck you are cleaning out on behalf of others.
> >
> > Lorraine
>
> Hey, f*ck-face frenchy frog, I already did my time and did not flee to
> the land of yellow stripes and fence straddlers....
>
> JD
>
Francis1234
"Lonestar" <wes...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> JD Cooper wrote:
>
> >
> > Hey, f*ck-face frenchy frog, I already did my time and did not flee to
> > the land of yellow stripes and fence straddlers....
> >
> > JD
>
> Why don't you ignore the Osama Loving Bitch?
> Robert(Yer Texas Neighbor)
>
Francis1234
"Kelly" <ella....@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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Phxbrd
Quite.
Don't limit your search to Americans. Just leave out the delicate little
flowers who lost battles/wars. Don't limit your search to the mere present,
either. Check out every great general who ever lived....
Remember that I despise our entire mission in Iraq, but that I recognize
what happens when you loose the dogs of war.
Bobbie
betting there is more than one fit and fighting General who is gay. Not
too many "come out" in the Services do they?, certainly not those in the
upper echelons..I just don't see why they would not be as
capable.....The gay blokes I know are more than capable of leading a
fighting force.....don't be misled Seth, by some of the descriptions you
have read here, they are not all "limp-wristed corn flakes..."
Bobbie
Bobbie
mentioned dreaming of the death of a General in Iraq...Be careful.....
Bobbie
Francis1234
their place..Which to inform you means a quarter lower than a halfwit.
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
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> Too bad you don't have a real brain in that hat holder you keep on your
> shoulders. You are pathetic.
>
> JimC
>
> Lorraine wrote:
>
> > "JD Cooper" <never-a...@holyflyingcow.org> wrote in message
> > news:crednZlshtW...@texas.net...
> >
> >>A tempest in a tea pot, people. It's just bar room braggadocio.
> >
> >
> > For you, an American, it might be!
> > Not for the normal citizens in the rest of the world though!
> > I guess everything done or said by Americans is ok as long as it's not
done
> > or said against an American.
> >
> > This bastard said it exactly how it happens...how can he have choosen
his
> > words more carefully?
> >
> > Lorraine
> >
> >
> >
> >>Feb 3, 3:09 PM (ET)
> >>
> >>By Will Dunham
> >>
> >>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it
was
> >>"fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully
but
> >>will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday.
> >>
> >>Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who led troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, made the
> >>comments at a conference Tuesday in San Diego.
> >>
> >>"Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot.
> >>It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like
> >>brawling," said Mattis.
> >>
> >>"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five
> >>years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said during a panel
> >>discussion. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway.
So
> >>it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."
> >>
> >>In a statement, Gen. Michael Hagee, commander of the Marine Corps,
praised
> >>Mattis as "one of this country's bravest and most experienced military
> >>leaders."
> >>
> >>"While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments
made
> >>by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh
> >>realities of war," Hagee said.
> >>
> >>"I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should
have
> >>chosen his words more carefully," Hagee added.
> >>
> >>Maj. Jason Johnston, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon, said Hagee did
> >>not plan any disciplinary action against Mattis. Johnston declined to
> >>provide details of how Hagee had counseled Mattis, calling it a private
> >>matter.
> >>
> >>At a Pentagon briefing on Thursday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
said
> >>he could not comment on the remarks, but Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman
of
> >>the Joint Chiefs of Staff, praised the general as having set a stellar
> >>example for troops in his service abroad.
> >>
> >>Mattis is commander of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command at
> >>Quantico, Virginia, south of Washington.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Lorraine wrote:
> >>
> >>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >>>Some Audience Members Clap
> >>>
> >>>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> >>>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
> >>>
> >>>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> >>>general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
> >>>some
> >>>people."
> >>>
> >>>Are you?
> >>>
> >>>Lorraine
> >>>-----------------------------------------------
> >>>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >>>
> >>>The comment, made by Lt. Gen. James Mattis, came in reference to
fighting
> >>>insurgents in Iraq. He went on to say, "Actually, its a lot of fun to
> >>>fight.
> >>>You know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling."
> >>>
> >>>"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5
years
> >>>because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys
like
> >>>that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun
to
> >>>shoot them."
> >>>
Francis1234
Ripper/lago/heel/brat/hophead/monomaniac or just Mephistophelain.**
Now me I'm militant patriotic blitzer.
From up Ohio way.
"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Francis1234
Tories. Look the word Liberal up.
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:qTBMd.3217$uc.982@trnddc04...
> Finally, someone with a brain. These liberals can't fathom the fact
> that in a war people get killed and you don't some swishy little gay guy
> leading the fight.
>
> JimC
>
> Phxbrd wrote:
>
> > "Lorraine" <lorraine.verona@(no spam) ellnet.ca> wrote in message
> > news:W0wMd.3778$lw4.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> >>Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> >>Some Audience Members Clap
> >>
> >>POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> >>UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
> >>
> >>SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> >>general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot
> >
> > some
> >
> >>people."
> >>
> >>Are you?
> >>
> >>Lorraine
> >>-----------------------------------------------
> >
> >
Francis1234
"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Kelly
> Quite.
>
> Don't limit your search to Americans. Just leave out the delicate
> little flowers who lost battles/wars. Don't limit your search to the
> mere present, either. Check out every great general who ever
> lived....
>
> Remember that I despise our entire mission in Iraq, but that I
> recognize what happens when you loose the dogs of war.
That'll have to wait until I retire then <g>
Kelly
Baba
"**Dalin**" <lj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:420a972a.13105906@news.west.earthlink.net...> .... And I'm not
> trying to make excuses for those who tortured untried citizens either.
> It was wrong. But it is also war and war changes people, changes
> personalities I think.
>
> Dalin
>
I agree with you Dalin. War tends to have a psychologoically and morally
degenerative effect on the young people charged with doing the killing.
Perhaps President Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul
Wolfenson and Tony Blair and all their like don't see that.
Baba
Phxbrd
That's a mighty short list, innit. The rest is silly philosophizing that
shows why women are never chosen for combat leadership roles.
Don't get me wrong - I love women in general. They just have NO place in
combat.
Bobbie
your sneaky way of getting out of accepting that it is perfectly
feasible for a gay to Command....Got nothing to do with my
philosophising......and anyway I don't accept that women are not chosen
for combat leadership, show me. go on show me where it says woman can't
Command...
I didn't make the dizzy heights of Acting P.O. W.R.N.S. for nuttink my
man....next stop a Battle Cruiser.....;-)
Battling Bobbie....
Grampa Wolfie
However, I wonder if the net result of ones moral convictions being so
severely challenged, as they certainly are in war, would be
degeneration. How many people have ever really had their beliefs
challenged? And I do not refer to verbal challenges or debates. We
all like to THINK we know ourselves. I believe it would be mistaken
to assume that someone who has experienced combat is more war-like
and/or more corrupt morally than an "unblooded" person. Frankly, quite
the opposite often seems to be the case. It is the morally deficient
non-combatents that bring us to the battlefields.
Wolfie, et al
pijoe
>
> Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire
> Some Audience Members Clap
>
> POSTED: 6:36 pm PST February 1, 2005
> UPDATED: 11:45 am PST February 3, 2005
>
> SAN DIEGO -- At a panel discussion in San Diego Tuesday, a top Marine
> general tells an audience that, among other things, it is "fun to shoot some
> people."
>
Phxbrd
My personal military experience proved to me that male homosexuals have no
place in the barracks. Your experience may vary....
Notice I didn't say women can't command. I said they have no place in
combat - big difference, isn't it?
pijoe
>
> >From: JD Cooper
>
> board on this. It's reprehensible AND he's obviously not going to be penalized
> for it.
in a war.
pijoe
>
> I pinched this from a Marine.
> ~~~~~~~~~
>
> A Marine as seen by:
>
> Himself:
Wonderful stuff, Wolfie. Thanks.