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Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 10:49:39 AM1/19/05
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http://newslink.org/daynews.html
This is a link I found on the net, could a kind soul tell me which of these
newspapers are for the Democrats and which are for the Republicans?
I have some students who're doing a work on the US elections and they need
information that I couldn't give them.
--
Kelly


Bobbie

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Jan 19, 2005, 10:53:22 AM1/19/05
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WOW!...someone will be busy there must be hundreds of papers listed
here.....or is this a trick question Kelly?

Bobbie....I will now go and mind my own business.....

Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 12:27:22 PM1/19/05
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"Bobbie" <naugh...@nonsuch.com>

Oh dear, I should have added that I only wanted about 10 main paper, but as
I couldn't find anything on the net myself but this link, I posted it.
Of, course I don't ask people to look them all up. I guess that if you live
in the US, you know which papaers are right or left. Maybe I could also ask
which papers are independent.
Thanks in advance-:)
It's not a trick question, I'm honestly asking for some help.
Kelly


Val Adams

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Jan 19, 2005, 12:44:04 PM1/19/05
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just my impressions:
the Los Angeles Times leans 'left', IMO.
The Chicago Sun-Times (Illinois) I dont know overall, but they certainly have
one of the best 'right' leaning columnists, Mark Steyn

Arizona Republic, editorial cartoonist Steve Benson seems anti-administration in
general hence presumably but not certainly pro-democrat.

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in fairness I dont normally read the editorials, but a
quick run-through this morning presents views from both sides.

Robert

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Jan 19, 2005, 12:43:08 PM1/19/05
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New York Times is Democrat newspaper. I'm sure the Democrats and Republicans
will let you know. Marian can give you a list for the Democrats if she reads
the post. (;-) Remember you can only COPY from these web pages. No Cut
allow! (:-) Check it out: http://newslink.org/daynews.html

Robert

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Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:02:25 PM1/19/05
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"Val Adams" <va_a...@adelphia.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Thanks Val-:)
The list is slowly growing.
Kelly


Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:00:47 PM1/19/05
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"Robert" <J....@hotmail.com.>

> New York Times is Democrat newspaper. I'm sure the Democrats and
> Republicans will let you know. Marian can give you a list for the
> Democrats if she reads the post. (;-) Remember you can only COPY from
> these web pages. No Cut allow! (:-) Check it out:
> http://newslink.org/daynews.html
>
> Robert

Thanks, that's one.
Your link is the same as the one I posted-:)
Kelly


RichaLlo3

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:15:26 PM1/19/05
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>This is a link I found on the net, could a kind soul tell me which of these
>newspapers are for the Democrats and which are for the Republicans?

Red states...south and midwest..thy right wing.

Jean B.

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:19:23 PM1/19/05
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Oh my! How could one go through that list? I think one clue
might be whom the paper endorsed in the last election, but then
that could have been an aberration. I guess, then, we can only
tell you what we know....

New York Times--democrat

Massachusetts:
Boston Globe--generally democrat
Boston Herald--generally republican
Lowell Sun--seems to be R
--
Jean B.

Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:23:41 PM1/19/05
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"RichaLlo3" <rich...@aol.com>

That may well be so although I read somewhere that most states were purple
...
But it doesn't help me a lot, I need names of papers-:(
Kelly


Phxbrd

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:24:28 PM1/19/05
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"Val Adams" <va_a...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Kelly wrote:
> > http://newslink.org/daynews.html
> > This is a link I found on the net, could a kind soul tell me which of
these
> > newspapers are for the Democrats and which are for the Republicans?
> > I have some students who're doing a work on the US elections and they
need
> > information that I couldn't give them.
>
> just my impressions:
> the Los Angeles Times leans 'left', IMO.
> The Chicago Sun-Times (Illinois) I dont know overall, but they certainly
have
> one of the best 'right' leaning columnists, Mark Steyn
>
> Arizona Republic, editorial cartoonist Steve Benson seems
anti-administration in
> general hence presumably but not certainly pro-democrat.

Steve Benson is the grandson of Ezra Taft Benson, so guess his politics....

Francis1234

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:28:24 PM1/19/05
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The Cincinnati Enquire/Post mostly endorse Republicans.
The Cleveland Ohio leading paper mostly endorses Democrats.

Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:45:18 PM1/19/05
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"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com>

>
> Oh my! How could one go through that list? I think one clue
> might be whom the paper endorsed in the last election, but then
> that could have been an aberration. I guess, then, we can only
> tell you what we know....
>
> New York Times--democrat
>
> Massachusetts:
> Boston Globe--generally democrat
> Boston Herald--generally republican
> Lowell Sun--seems to be R
> --
> Jean B.

Thanks Jean-:)
I didn't mean for anyone to go through all tthat list, but as it was the
only web site I found that seemed to include all, I just posted it. It'll be
fine to get the ones you know-:)
Kelly


Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 1:46:28 PM1/19/05
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"Francis1234" <franc...@fuse.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> The Cincinnati Enquire/Post mostly endorse Republicans.
> The Cleveland Ohio leading paper mostly endorses Democrats.
>
Thanks a lot-:)
Kelly


Val Adams

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Jan 19, 2005, 2:44:55 PM1/19/05
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Phxbrd wrote:

The name rings a vague bell, but is not necessarily sequitur, my grandkids
certainly go in both directions. But I already said I was guessing. Didn't you
used to live in AZ? perhaps you could give Kelly a better idea about the paper
per se, rather than just the cartoonist?

Dink

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Jan 19, 2005, 3:00:06 PM1/19/05
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I'll have to limit my comments to national and my home town.

Democrat
# Christian Science Monitor
# Los Angeles Times
# New York Times
NYT has two Republican columnists...
David Brooks and,
William Safire (recently announced his retirement – to be replaced)

Marian's favorite liberal columnist Maureen Dowd is not only
Democrat but also a misanthrope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times

# USA Today
# Washington Post
Wapo has some Republican columnists...
George F. Will, Charles Krauthammer

# Austin: American-Statesman
(All of the Cox Enterprises papers are Democrat such as
the Atlanta Journal-Constitution which is the flagship paper
of Cox Enterprises)

Moderate
# Nando Times

Republican
# Washington Times
Washington Times and the United Press International wire service
controled by Sun Myung Moon are Republican
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

The Associated Press & Reuters wire services are Democrat

--
Dink
N 30.21, W 97.81 http://snipurl.com/whereiam
Watch out for the fellow who talks about putting things in order!
Putting things in order always means getting other people under your
control. ~~ Denis Diderot

Phxbrd

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Jan 19, 2005, 3:19:28 PM1/19/05
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> > Steve Benson is the grandson of Ezra Taft Benson, so guess his
politics....
> >
> >
> >
> The name rings a vague bell, but is not necessarily sequitur, my grandkids
> certainly go in both directions. But I already said I was guessing. Didn't
you
> used to live in AZ? perhaps you could give Kelly a better idea about the
paper
> per se, rather than just the cartoonist?

Like so many these days, ours is a one-newspaper town. Many call our
'Republic' the 'Repugnant'. I don't bother to read it anymore.

Ezra Taft Benson was a Washington pol of some reknown who left the Beltway
to become head of the mormon crutch in Salt Lake City.

No, I did not google - honest....


>


Kelly

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Jan 19, 2005, 3:43:38 PM1/19/05
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"Dink" <m...@privacy.net>

Thanks a lot Dink, this is a whole list and my students will be ever so
happy-:)
Kelly


Val Adams

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Jan 19, 2005, 4:10:06 PM1/19/05
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Phxbrd wrote:


giggle; so, that gets you points in Graham's non-google week...but I thought the
Mormon's were kind of conservative? I only found Benson in trying to find the
editorial page. Like the PA paper, I only subscribe for obits, as I have genie
interests in both areas.

Jean B.

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Jan 19, 2005, 8:25:25 PM1/19/05
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Can wire services be R or D? I would have HOPED not!
--
Jean B.

Toddy

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Jan 19, 2005, 8:39:22 PM1/19/05
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I doubt if those names mean anything to Kelly.
Toddy

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Jim Chandler

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:50:55 PM1/19/05
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Of course they can, Jean. They are nothing more than reporters who
submit material to their customers and they can be personally biased.

JimC

Dink

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Jan 19, 2005, 10:05:34 PM1/19/05
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http://tinyurl.com/4qfgs
Biggest Loser on Nov. 2 Was Press, Not John Kerry, Say 21 Columns

http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10374.html
The Associated Press, a powerful worldwide news source owned by its member daily
newspapers, has perpetrated a vile and slanderous lie about President Bush and his
supporters, and been caught read-handed. The smoking gun exists safe and sound
in the cache memory of countless blog sites. The AP's reporter wrote a dispatch
claiming that when President Bush told a rally of his supporters in West Allis, Wisconsin
that President Clinton had been hospitalized,

“the audience "of thousands booed. Bush did nothing to stop them."

Within seconds, the AP dispatch went around the world, and the lie was repeated.
In point of fact, eyewitnesses and listeners to radio and television reports could hear
that there was no audible booing, but there was supportive applause when the
President called on everyone to pray for ex-President Clinton’s recovery.

pijoe

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Jan 19, 2005, 10:33:47 PM1/19/05
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Holy cow! For free? Just because ya got a head chopper in the basement
doesn't make ya Queen. Queen Mab maybe, but not Queen.

Toddy

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Jan 19, 2005, 11:19:07 PM1/19/05
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She is Queen, typo Queen<g>
Toddy

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DittyDu...@webtv.net

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Jan 20, 2005, 12:19:17 AM1/20/05
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Kelly, if you can find a map that shows the election results in red
states and blue states, pick some from red for Repub., blue for Dem.

Christian Science Monitor is supposed to be neutral, but I don't read
it, don't know.
Washington Post is supposed to be Dem, and the other Washington one is
Repub., but ask Marion.

Tennessee. Memphis Commercial Appeal might be Dem leaning, but Knoxville
or Chattanooga papers would be Repub leaning. Nashville should be
neutral.
None of these is a big paper

Kelly

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Jan 20, 2005, 3:27:15 AM1/20/05
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Nothing whatever, but I'm now thankful as I have a lot of papers.
Kelly

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Kelly

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Jan 20, 2005, 3:29:05 AM1/20/05
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Thanks Dink, it's good to have views from both 'sides', that's especially
what they want.
I've copied this too-:)
Kelly

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> Jean B. on 1/19/2005 in alt.fifty-plus.friends wrote:
>
>> Dink wrote:
>> >
>> > Kelly wrote:
>> > > http://newslink.org/daynews.html
>> > > This is a link I found on the net, could a kind soul tell me which of
>> > > these
>> > > newspapers are for the Democrats and which are for the Republicans?
>> > > I have some students who're doing a work on the US elections and they
>> > > need
>> > > information that I couldn't give them.
>> >
>> > I'll have to limit my comments to national and my home town.
>> >
>> > Democrat
>> > # Christian Science Monitor
>> > # Los Angeles Times
>> > # New York Times
>> > NYT has two Republican columnists...
>> > David Brooks and,

>> > William Safire (recently announced his retirement - to be replaced)

Kelly

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Jan 20, 2005, 3:31:32 AM1/20/05
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Thanks Blake, yes I found those maps and copied the URL.s
Kelly

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Val Adams

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Jan 20, 2005, 3:58:26 AM1/20/05
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Kelly that is a good idea about the states colors, but here is one I pinched
from somewhere that mellows the results somewhat and is probably truer to human
nature :

The Purple States of America

http://pad39a.com/gene/pusa.html

Kelly

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Jan 20, 2005, 4:30:25 AM1/20/05
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"Val Adams" <va_a...@adelphia.net>

> Kelly that is a good idea about the states colors, but here is one I
> pinched from somewhere that mellows the results somewhat and is probably
> truer to human nature :
>
> The Purple States of America
>
> http://pad39a.com/gene/pusa.html
>

Thanks Val, I found that one too and told them that the US was not red and
blue, but purple-:)
Kelly


Jean B.

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Jan 20, 2005, 6:22:53 AM1/20/05
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Jim Chandler wrote:
>
> Of course they can, Jean. They are nothing more than reporters who
> submit material to their customers and they can be personally biased.
>
> JimC
>

:-( (Not at you, at THAT.)

--
Jean B.

Jean B.

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Jan 20, 2005, 6:23:53 AM1/20/05
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Dink wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4qfgs
> Biggest Loser on Nov. 2 Was Press, Not John Kerry, Say 21 Columns
>
> http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10374.html
> The Associated Press, a powerful worldwide news source owned by its member daily
> newspapers, has perpetrated a vile and slanderous lie about President Bush and his
> supporters, and been caught read-handed. The smoking gun exists safe and sound
> in the cache memory of countless blog sites. The AP's reporter wrote a dispatch
> claiming that when President Bush told a rally of his supporters in West Allis, Wisconsin
> that President Clinton had been hospitalized,
>
> “the audience "of thousands booed. Bush did nothing to stop them."
>
> Within seconds, the AP dispatch went around the world, and the lie was repeated.
> In point of fact, eyewitnesses and listeners to radio and television reports could hear
> that there was no audible booing, but there was supportive applause when the
> President called on everyone to pray for ex-President Clinton’s recovery.
>
> --
> Dink
> N 30.21, W 97.81 http://snipurl.com/whereiam
> Watch out for the fellow who talks about putting things in order!
> Putting things in order always means getting other people under your
> control. ~~ Denis Diderot

Another illusion shattered...
--
Jean B.

Jean B.

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Jan 20, 2005, 7:30:10 AM1/20/05
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DittyDu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Kelly, if you can find a map that shows the election results in red
> states and blue states, pick some from red for Repub., blue for Dem.

That wouldn't work. Example: we area blue state, but the Boston
Herald is R.


>
> Christian Science Monitor is supposed to be neutral, but I don't read
> it, don't know.
> Washington Post is supposed to be Dem, and the other Washington one is
> Repub., but ask Marion.
>
> Tennessee. Memphis Commercial Appeal might be Dem leaning, but Knoxville
> or Chattanooga papers would be Repub leaning. Nashville should be
> neutral.
> None of these is a big paper


--
Jean B.

DittyDu...@webtv.net

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Jan 20, 2005, 10:25:39 AM1/20/05
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You're right. I should have thought a little bit and figured that out.
Blake

-------------------------


That wouldn't work. Example: we area blue state, but the Boston Herald
is R.

Jean B


Marian

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Jan 20, 2005, 12:42:23 PM1/20/05
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>
>http://newslink.org/daynews.html
>This is a link I found on the net, could a kind soul tell me which of these
>newspapers are for the Democrats and which are for the Republicans?
>I have some students who're doing a work on the US elections and they need
>information that I couldn't give them.
>--
>Kelly

This is a tricky question, Kelly, though I suspect you didn't mean for it to
be! 'Good' papers are balanced & non-partisan for the most part ~ even though
there's a tendency toward liberalism or conservatism in most of them.

Your National list is the only one I can comment on. All but 3 are highly
regarded national papers with excellent reputations for high standards. The
Nando Times isn't published anywhere that I'm aware of, but is a sort of wire
service - primary resource for other media that is pretty good, so far as I
know. USA Today is a popular, and therefore lightweight, nationwide daily with
lots of colored pictures, though occasionally it breaks a story on its own.
It's well-regarded for what it is. The Washington Times is owned by the
"Reverend" Moon and is a thoroughgoing rightwing rag.

The WP, NYT & LAT all make an effort to balance their op-ed pages, but I think
they all endorsed Kerry [?]. The Monitor is the least partisan and arguably the
most respected paper in the bunch, though it's circulation isn't that large.

Suggestion for the papers of our 50 states: Assign several states to each
student and have them determine which is liberal or conservative on their own.
Tip: Who did the editorial board endorse in the '04 election?

HTH.

Marian


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(in political cartoons)
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Kelly

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Jan 20, 2005, 1:25:30 PM1/20/05
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"Marian" <lust...@aol.com>

Thanks Marian, I'll add this to the info I've already got. I didn't mean it
to be tricky-:)
Our students have something that's called TPE (travail personnel encadré).
They choose a subject which must be recognized by the examination board.
Then they work on it and sit for an oral.
These two students have chosen the American elections and what influence the
media might have on the public opinion. That was why they wanted to know
which paper leaned left and which right.
So it's not a work I've given them, they just interviewed me for their
dossier. What kind of impression I had and people I knew, etc. ..
Your idea is good though, I may use it later-:)
Kelly


Kelly

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Jan 20, 2005, 1:31:07 PM1/20/05
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Just wanted to say thank you to all who posted here or who sent me their
personal opinions.
I think that my two students have enough to work with now and I'm grateful
to you all-:)
I'll give them the compilation of all I got tomorrow.
Kelly


Norma

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Jan 20, 2005, 1:44:37 PM1/20/05
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"Kelly" <ella....@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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Let us know how they do with all of this. It sound difficult to me. Norma
B

> Kelly
>


Kelly

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Jan 20, 2005, 3:04:53 PM1/20/05
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"Norma" <njb...@charter.net>

> Let us know how they do with all of this. It sound difficult to me.

I will-:)
But it won't be before May.


DittyDu...@webtv.net

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Jan 20, 2005, 4:48:24 PM1/20/05
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Kelly, you didn't ask, but don't you think that a sample of the partisan
newspapers would be helpful? These listed are mostly general papers
without a large noticeable slant. There are some that are more
definite. I don't think my local paper endorsed either presidential
candidate.
Blake
--------------------

Dink

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Jan 20, 2005, 5:10:26 PM1/20/05
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Earth to Blake: non-partisan or even 'slightly slanted' papers are rare.

--

Joan F (MI)

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Jan 20, 2005, 9:16:33 PM1/20/05
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In Detroit the News leans right and the Free Press leans left.

In news:357dslF...@individual.net,
Kelly <ella....@wanadoo.fr> stated

pijoe

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Jan 20, 2005, 9:26:22 PM1/20/05
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Kelly wrote:

In Seattle, The Times is edited by Karl Marx. The Post-Intelligencer is
edited by Lenin.

DittyDu...@webtv.net

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Jan 20, 2005, 9:14:16 PM1/20/05
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Dink, you are so far off to the right, you can't find the middle. Don't
tell me there is no Republican Party newspaper. I do believe those
folks can read and have enough money to subscribe. I can't remember all
the names now, but how bout The Nation? That sounds like one I used to
get.
Blake
===================
m...@privacy.net (Dink)

Dink

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Jan 20, 2005, 9:56:22 PM1/20/05
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Where did this come from? I never said there were no Repub. papers.
I just say that most papers have a strong bias. The even-handed papers
are very rare.

Kelly

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Jan 21, 2005, 2:28:35 AM1/21/05
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<DittyDu...@webtv.net>

> Kelly, you didn't ask, but don't you think that a sample of the partisan
> newspapers would be helpful? These listed are mostly general papers
> without a large noticeable slant. There are some that are more
> definite. I don't think my local paper endorsed either presidential
> candidate.
> Blake
> --------------------
I think that would be difficult for them. They now have about 10 - 15 major
papers, I've lost count-:)
Kelly


Kelly

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Jan 21, 2005, 3:40:01 AM1/21/05
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Thanks Joan-:)
Kelly

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Phxbrd

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Jan 21, 2005, 12:01:34 PM1/21/05
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> Phxbrd wrote:
>
> >>>Steve Benson is the grandson of Ezra Taft Benson, so guess his
> >
> > politics....
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>The name rings a vague bell, but is not necessarily sequitur, my
grandkids
> >>certainly go in both directions. But I already said I was guessing.
Didn't
> >
> > you
> >
> >>used to live in AZ? perhaps you could give Kelly a better idea about the
> >
> > paper
> >
> >>per se, rather than just the cartoonist?
> >
> >
> > Like so many these days, ours is a one-newspaper town. Many call our
> > 'Republic' the 'Repugnant'. I don't bother to read it anymore.
> >
> > Ezra Taft Benson was a Washington pol of some reknown who left the
Beltway
> > to become head of the mormon crutch in Salt Lake City.
> >
> > No, I did not google - honest....
> >
>
>
> giggle; so, that gets you points in Graham's non-google week...but I
thought the
> Mormon's were kind of conservative? I only found Benson in trying to find
the
> editorial page. Like the PA paper, I only subscribe for obits, as I have
genie
> interests in both areas.

Genealological interests? Explain....


>


Val Adams

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Jan 21, 2005, 2:55:44 PM1/21/05
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Phxbrd wrote:

My husband's family came from PA, some still live there. I have 2nd cousins in
AZ; met online.

some of it's here ('family' link)

http://home.pacbell.net/ma_adams/index.html

Phxbrd

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Jan 21, 2005, 3:09:36 PM1/21/05
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> > Genealological interests? Explain....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> My husband's family came from PA, some still live there. I have 2nd
cousins in
> AZ; met online.
>
> some of it's here ('family' link)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/ma_adams/index.html

There's nothing wrong with such interests, but I've decided that most
genealogy involves far too little actual ancestry while emphasizing only a
small number, usually defined by last name.

Forgive my rant, but remember that women are as important as men. Every
marriage combines two genetic lines of equal importance. Every individual
has two parents, two grandparents, four greats, etc. Actually, every
generation doubles the number of ancestors one has. In only 30 genrations,
each of us had had something like 12,000,000 direct ancestors.

In my case, the name Hammond appeared 30 times during those 30 generations.
Other names of equal importance appeared 11,999,970 times.

How big is your family tree?

8^)


Val Adams

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Jan 21, 2005, 4:52:56 PM1/21/05
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Phxbrd wrote:

You must love my approach, then, as three of the five pages I have up follow
the female lines primarily. All us girls from matriarchal sub-cultures are
biased that way. It's not my fault the core families were so prolific, and
collaterals are as much fun to find as any other.

just under 3000; about a fourth with good docs. No Hammond, AFAIR.

8:>

Phxbrd

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Jan 21, 2005, 7:59:39 PM1/21/05
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When I was a kid my mother researched her tree for membership in the
Daughters of the American Revolution, the snobs that wouldn't let Marian
Anderson sing in their building. I wouldn't dare scrutinize my paternals,
most if not all were tories....

Kelly

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Jan 22, 2005, 5:43:25 AM1/22/05
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"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com>

> There's nothing wrong with such interests, but I've decided that most
> genealogy involves far too little actual ancestry while emphasizing only a
> small number, usually defined by last name.
>
> Forgive my rant, but remember that women are as important as men. Every
> marriage combines two genetic lines of equal importance. Every individual
> has two parents, two grandparents, four greats, etc. Actually, every
> generation doubles the number of ancestors one has. In only 30
> genrations,
> each of us had had something like 12,000,000 direct ancestors.
>
> In my case, the name Hammond appeared 30 times during those 30
> generations.
> Other names of equal importance appeared 11,999,970 times.
>
> How big is your family tree?
>
> 8^)

So you're into genealogy too? Nice to know, it's my passion-:)
I've obviously worked out both the male and the female lines. Back in the
17th century, it becomes more difficult to follow the female lines as they
were often referred to without their names. It's very frustrating, but
that's what the situation is like.
I have over 11000 people in my data now.
http://gw.geneanet.org/kellypetit

Of course, mathematically speaking you'll have that many forefathers, but
what I very often have found is that when I get back to the 16th and 17th
century, the same couple will be my ggggg....grandparents many times over.
I don't even have to go that far to find that 4 or 5 children of the same
parents are all my ancestors.
My own grandparents on my mother's side were 3rd cousins, that shows you how
complicated or maybe easy things are-:)
My great great grandfather is buried in Kansas, I have hundreds and hundreds
of cousins over there. My father's brother emigrated to America too, and two
of my mother's aunts. So I also have a lot of second cousins over there.
Kelly


Val Adams

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Jan 22, 2005, 6:41:09 AM1/22/05
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Phxbrd wrote:

My mother's people came over far too late for such folderol, but so many of the
Irish records are missing, if I didn't follow the marriages here I'd have little
enough to play with. about DAR...I look at Bill Mauldin's cartoon, and smile.
But they do work hard on documentation, so cant be all bad. Some of Mark's
people have been here long enough, but I dont think they have any interest. I
like researching in Chicago, there's such a sense of bubbling life; though I
confess small communities are much easier to follow.

Phxbrd

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Jan 22, 2005, 11:58:24 AM1/22/05
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> > When I was a kid my mother researched her tree for membership in the
> > Daughters of the American Revolution, the snobs that wouldn't let Marian
> > Anderson sing in their building. I wouldn't dare scrutinize my
paternals,
> > most if not all were tories....
> >
> >
> >
>
> My mother's people came over far too late for such folderol, but so many
of the
> Irish records are missing, if I didn't follow the marriages here I'd have
little
> enough to play with. about DAR...I look at Bill Mauldin's cartoon, and
smile.
> But they do work hard on documentation, so cant be all bad. Some of Mark's
> people have been here long enough, but I dont think they have any
interest. I
> like researching in Chicago, there's such a sense of bubbling life; though
I
> confess small communities are much easier to follow.

You spend a little time in the Newberry, do you?


>


Phxbrd

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Jan 22, 2005, 12:00:50 PM1/22/05
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"Kelly" <ella....@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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On the other hand, we are each no more than 50th cousin to everyone who's
ever lived.

-Cuz

Kelly

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Jan 22, 2005, 12:25:54 PM1/22/05
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"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com>

> On the other hand, we are each no more than 50th cousin to everyone who's
> ever lived.
>
> -Cuz

Good evening, cousin-;)


Val Adams

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Jan 22, 2005, 1:42:52 PM1/22/05
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no, silly, my neck is too short. But I spend a lot of time at the state
archives; online.

Phxbrd

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Jan 22, 2005, 2:26:08 PM1/22/05
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"Val Adams" <va_a...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Time was, the Newberry was second only to the Mormon Genealogy library in
Salt Lake City. I've spent a little time at the Newberry.

I believe the computer will eventually have ALL genealogical data available
to all. It shouldn't even be that far off....

Val Adams

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Jan 22, 2005, 2:34:41 PM1/22/05
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Phxbrd wrote:

I have been there, but when I was very young, before my interest in genealogy.
I believe their collection is still first class, but awkward to use by mail.

Yes, online archives are growing just about daily. one of the fee-based groups
has US census images from 1790 (the first) forward, and have recently added
indexing for 1900. Free sites are growing also, at least two that I know of have
large collections of headstone pix as well as the more usual b & d indexes.
An oddly useful collection is the Chicago City Council proceedings from 1833 to
about 1870. It was thought all that material had been lost in the fire, but
someone found these stuck away somewhere and the state archivists put them up on
line.

Jane

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Jan 23, 2005, 9:36:57 AM1/23/05
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I don't think that is necessarily the case.

It's true that I can trace my father's family back further than my mother's.
But that is only because his family were United Empire Loyalists. Since they
were such an important part of Canadian history, there is a lot of interest
in genealogy among families descended from them, and I was able to connect
with some other researchers.

I have, at least, found the record of my mother's great-grandparents'
marriage in 1813 online, so I don't think I can be described as ignoring my
mother's ancestry.

When I retire, I'm going to get a lot more serious about my research.

Jane


Jean B.

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Jan 23, 2005, 10:25:10 AM1/23/05
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Jane wrote:
>
> I don't think that is necessarily the case.
>
> It's true that I can trace my father's family back further than my mother's.
> But that is only because his family were United Empire Loyalists. Since they
> were such an important part of Canadian history, there is a lot of interest
> in genealogy among families descended from them, and I was able to connect
> with some other researchers.
>
> I have, at least, found the record of my mother's great-grandparents'
> marriage in 1813 online, so I don't think I can be described as ignoring my
> mother's ancestry.
>
> When I retire, I'm going to get a lot more serious about my research.
>
> Jane

My primary tracing on my mom's side has been through one of the
maternal lines. On my dad's, I have tracked a number of the
female lines back.
--
Jean B.

Kelly

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Jan 23, 2005, 11:12:16 AM1/23/05
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"Jane" <nospamplease@#rogers.com>

> I don't think that is necessarily the case.
>
> It's true that I can trace my father's family back further than my
> mother's.
> But that is only because his family were United Empire Loyalists. Since
> they
> were such an important part of Canadian history, there is a lot of
> interest
> in genealogy among families descended from them, and I was able to connect
> with some other researchers.
>
> I have, at least, found the record of my mother's great-grandparents'
> marriage in 1813 online, so I don't think I can be described as ignoring
> my
> mother's ancestry.
>
> When I retire, I'm going to get a lot more serious about my research.
>
> Jane
>

It's very interesting and time consuming too. Once I get started on
something, I just can't stop. I've done the family trees for most of my
nieces' husbands now and also my grandkids' paternal ancestors. I've come so
far with my own that only a miracle would give me more there. But who
knows?-:)
Kelly


Isobel

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Jan 23, 2005, 2:36:24 PM1/23/05
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"Kelly" <ella....@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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I understand this. After leaving my family research now away again as so
much more info available on the internet than there was 5 years ago.

Isobel
>
>


Kelly

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Jan 23, 2005, 3:04:51 PM1/23/05
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Isobel wrote:

> I understand this. After leaving my family research now away again
> as so much more info available on the internet than there was 5 years
> ago.
> Isobel

Yes, it's amazing what you find online, but, of course, one should always
check with the source. In Norway we have a lot of data online now, the
University in Bergen has created a special service for genealogists. It's
free and it's perfect-:)
Kelly


Jean B.

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Jan 23, 2005, 3:33:05 PM1/23/05
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Isobel wrote:
>
> I understand this. After leaving my family research now away again as so
> much more info available on the internet than there was 5 years ago.
>
> Isobel
> >
> >

Do you find it's hard to reimmerse yourself? I do!
--
Jean B.

Jean B.

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Jan 23, 2005, 3:39:46 PM1/23/05
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Kelly wrote:
>
> Yes, it's amazing what you find online, but, of course, one should always
> check with the source. In Norway we have a lot of data online now, the
> University in Bergen has created a special service for genealogists. It's
> free and it's perfect-:)
> Kelly

Absolutely check! I have seen people with so-called lines that
are quite wrong (in areas I have first-hand information on).
--
Jean B.

Kelly

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Jan 23, 2005, 3:44:46 PM1/23/05
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Of course, when you get back to the 13th or 12th century even the
specialists tend to quarrel about what is right and what is wrong.
I post to a private group at the university and there are often quite
entertaining discussions. Some are so long that there are a few hundred
replies to them.
No problem with where to post and what to leave out as each post is dated
and turn automatically up underneath the last-:) Fortunately they have
numbers and names, so we know who and what we're replying to.
Kelly
--
"You shouldn't tolerate so well the injustice that doesn't touch
yourself" ("Du må ikke tåle så inderlig vel, den urett som ikke rammer
deg selv") Arnulf Øverland


Jean B.

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Jan 23, 2005, 3:58:04 PM1/23/05
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Kelly wrote:
>
> Of course, when you get back to the 13th or 12th century even the
> specialists tend to quarrel about what is right and what is wrong.
> I post to a private group at the university and there are often quite
> entertaining discussions. Some are so long that there are a few hundred
> replies to them.
> No problem with where to post and what to leave out as each post is dated
> and turn automatically up underneath the last-:) Fortunately they have
> numbers and names, so we know who and what we're replying to.
> Kelly
> --
> "You shouldn't tolerate so well the injustice that doesn't touch
> yourself" ("Du må ikke tåle så inderlig vel, den urett som ikke rammer
> deg selv") Arnulf Øverland

Well, of course, my first-hand info doesn't date back that far.
As far as the really old stuff goes, it is most discouraging when
the experts disagree. Makes me feel there's no hope for me to
ever unravel it.
--
Jean B.

Kelly

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Jan 23, 2005, 4:04:27 PM1/23/05
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Jean B. wrote:
>
> Well, of course, my first-hand info doesn't date back that far.
> As far as the really old stuff goes, it is most discouraging when
> the experts disagree. Makes me feel there's no hope for me to
> ever unravel it.
> Jean B.

I know what you mean. Many a time I've been enchanted only to fnd later that
the whole line didn't work.
But it's like a puzzle and one bit here and one bit there makes you feel
happy. (your name disappeared, but I put it back)

Jean B.

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Jan 23, 2005, 4:46:37 PM1/23/05
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Kelly wrote:
>
> I know what you mean. Many a time I've been enchanted only to fnd later that
> the whole line didn't work.
> But it's like a puzzle and one bit here and one bit there makes you feel
> happy. (your name disappeared, but I put it back)
> Kelly
>
I have had that happen. Sniff. Thanks for my name! <g>

--
Jean B.

Kelly

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Jan 24, 2005, 2:41:07 AM1/24/05
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It's because you have set up your name in your sig line, Jean-:) The sig
line automatically disappears when I reply.
Kelly


Gordon Harris

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Jan 24, 2005, 2:51:13 PM1/24/05
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Kelly <ella....@wanadoo.fr> writes
Good, that's what it should do.
--
Gordon Harris
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