Do you really think this police force will kill their own?
Ricardo
really what this right wing administration pins their hopes on in Iraq.
They think if they can get this police force to kill their own by way
of a hand picked right wing government, us, the US can withdraw its
military might. That will cave in like a sand castle on water's edge
at Carolina Beach.
Wolfie
Iraquis killing each other? What a concept.
Wolfie, et al
JD Cooper
Iraqis killing each other? You gotta be kidding!
JD
Baba Mung
"Ricardo" <rll...@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1150718543.3...@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Neat metaphor, Richard.
Baba
Ricardo
well, you gotta admit a bomb on ye back leaves little evidence. Those
policemen got a name and a face and family. They also know paybacks are
hell. The right wing should know there is no police force out there
willing to kill their own.
Ricardo
no..i ain't kidding. I just making an observation based on common sense.
Ricardo
LOL...I glad you like that Baba. I always try to get a little promotion
in there for the state i love :-).
JD Cooper
who's common sense? Yours?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
JD
Ricardo
I mean.....you really believe those policemen gonna shoot their
neighbors, a neighbor's neighbor? Then stroll around town after the
right wing withdraws our brave women and men who have done far more
than anyone should ask, even the likes of those cut 'n run
chicken hawks in the image of Karl Rove.
JD Cooper
Ehy wouldn'y they? They shoot and bomb each other now.
JD
Ricardo
naw...not really...as i am describing. LOL.....but hey...close your
eyes, please, and just imagine Karl Rove outside the green zone. :-)
Jim Chandler
If you weren't so frigging tunnel visioned you'd know that your
statement is pure bullshit. It happend right here in the good old U.S.
of A. EVERY DAY, or don't you consider those citizens who go up against
the police here "one of their own?"
JimC
Jim Chandler
Rove was "cut and run"? Since when did HE become a DummycRAT? What
revisionist bullshit have you been reading?
JimC
JD Cooper
Ricardo wrote:
Why would I? That's dumb! It's the stupid irquis killing each other you
were talking about. They do that with abandon.
JD
Seth Hammond
*Some* Iraqis execute collaborators with the enemy. That's been common
practice forever....
The problem is in having an enemy in their country, not the reactions of the
criminally oppressed....
Marian
Ricardo wrote:
> > > I mean.....you really believe those policemen gonna shoot their
> > > neighbors, a neighbor's neighbor? Then stroll around town after the
> > > right wing withdraws our brave women and men who have done far more
> > > than anyone should ask, even the likes of those cut 'n run
> > > chicken hawks in the image of Karl Rove.
[...]
> naw...not really...as i am describing. LOL.....but hey...close your
> eyes, please, and just imagine Karl Rove outside the green zone. :-)
As Murtha said this weekend, what does Rove know, "sitting on his fat
ass in an air-conditioned office". I enjoyed that. Then there's this:
Leaked US memo paints grim picture of life in Iraq
US embassy cable says Iraqi staffers live in constant fear for their
lives.
By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com | June 20, 2006
In a leaked memo from the US embassy in Baghdad, sent to the US State
Department earlier this month, embassy employees present a much
different assessment than the one put forward by the Bush
administration in the past two weeks.
The memo, which was obtained by The Washington Post and reported on
Sunday, "painted a starkly different portrait of increasing danger and
hardship faced by its Iraqi employees."
This cable, marked "sensitive" and obtained by The Washington Post,
outlines in spare prose the daily-worsening conditions for those who
live outside the heavily guarded international zone: harassment,
threats and the employees' constant fears that their neighbors will
discover they work for the US government.
The memo, dated June 6 (one week before President Bush made his
unannounced trip to Iraq) and with the name of US Ambassador Zalmay
Khalilzad at the bottom, includes references to ethnic cleansing,
threats to women's rights and abductions.
The subject of the memo is: "Snapshots from the Office - Public
Affairs Staff Show Strains of Social Discord," and details the
experiences of the nine-member Iraqi staff of the public affairs press
office in the US embassy. Among some of the topics discussed in the
memo:
Iraqi staff at the embassy report "pervasive" harassment from Islamist
and/or militia groups beginning in March and picking up in May. Cuts in
power and rising fuel prices "have diminished the quality of life."
Conditions vary but even upscale neighborhoods "have visibly
deteriorated" and one of them is now described as a "ghost town."
Two of the three female Iraqis in the public affairs office reported
stepped-up harassment since mid-May. "...Some groups are pushing women
to cover even their face, a step not taken in Iran even at its most
conservative." One of the women is now wearing a full abaya after
receiving direct threats.
It has also become "dangerous" for men to wear shorts in public and
"they no longer allow their children to play outside in shorts." People
who wear jeans in public have also come under attack.
Other problems faced by the staff include the necessity to talk in
Arabic, rather than English, whenever called at home, and they can't be
called on holidays or weekends for fear of "blowing their cover." Other
employees don't use American cellphones for the same reason. Nor can
the embassy use its own local press relations staff in on-camera
interviews because of fears for their safety. Most of the staff, in
case they are abducted, have taken precautions to protect family and
friends.
One employee said criticism of the US had grown so severe that most of
her family believes the US "is punishing populations as Saddam
[Hussein] did (but with Sunnis and very poor Shiites now at the bottom
of the list)."
The memo also notes that "the demeanor of the [local] guards" in the
Green Zone has become more "militia-like" since April. Iraqi military
soldiers now frequently taunt embassy employees or hold up their
credentials and say loudly that they work in the embassy. Employees now
ask for press credentials instead of embassy credentials.
The Independent of London says that the experiences of the staffers
reflected in the details of the cable "portrays a society in a state of
collapse."
[...]
But in an editorial about the leaked memo, USA Today says that this
view of the lives of several of the embassy's Iraqi employees is
telling and underscores "the uphill battle faced by the fledgling Iraqi
government and US forces, the limited time they have to assert control,
and even whether that is still possible."
Quite apart from their bravery - just disclosing that they work for
the Americans can be a death sentence, and most don't even tell
relatives - their descriptions of life at neighborhood level suggest
fundamentalists and militias are fast obtaining the kind of power that
destroys governments. To whit: "The central government, our staff says,
is not relevant; even local mukhtars (leaders) have been displaced or
coopted by militias." ...
Nine lives do not tell the story of an entire country, nor is the cable
reason to bring troops home. Other measures paint a brighter picture.
Nevertheless, for those who wonder whom to believe in Iraq, the US
ambassador reporting privately about the lives of the Iraqis closest to
him is a source that can hardly be ignored.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0620/dailyUpdate.html
Marian
Ricardo
yeah...they outta send that fat ass coward, Karl Rove, over there. The
gall of him sending US boys and girls there for a lost cause. What
really bothers me is those dumb ass Democrats don't say it just like
Ive said it.
GeoGoddess
"Ricardo" <rll...@triad.rr.com> wrote > yeah...they outta send that fat
ass coward, Karl Rove, over there. The
> gall of him sending US boys and girls there for a lost cause. What
> really bothers me is those dumb ass Democrats don't say it just like
> Ive said it.
>
I was just wondering how long the US is going to be willing to send it's
youth to Iraq to face death and dismemberment. Apparently for quite a long
time to come.
Personally I favour economic and UN sanctions and other than that, let them
kill each other off until they figure it out. Sounds harsh, doesn't it.
But that will never happen because of the oil involved. Too many people in
the world want that oil, so outsiders will always be involved. Just a
terrible, terrible situation, and no end in sight.
Here in Canada, we are wondering how many of our bright youth will be
sacrificed to trying to force Afghanistan to become a democracy against all
odds and Afghani public sentiment.
Annie in BC
JD Cooper
That brings to mind a question: Since Afganistan has no resources worth
exploiting, why are we there? Poppies?
(Kinda makes one wonder about the "oil" excuse for being in Iraq.)
JD
Ricardo
gotta be oil somewhere.
JD Cooper
show me...
JD
GeoGoddess
"JD Cooper" <BA...@humbug.job> wrote > That brings to mind a question: Since
Afganistan has no resources worth
> exploiting, why are we there? Poppies?
>
> (Kinda makes one wonder about the "oil" excuse for being in Iraq.)
>
> JD
>
not an expert on the subject, still struggling to understand what is
happening there, besides being a hotbed of international terrorism. Wasn't
there some claim made that poppies were helping fund terrorism? And don't
forget that great hash, the fundraiser of generations of insurgents and
freedom fighters.
a in bc
JD Cooper
Well, actually I was making a joke about why *we* are there... poppies
because there is no oil to exploit? As I recall the intent was to break
up the Taliban and the terror training camps and kick some butt on al
quieda (or however you spell it) In short, I'm pretty sick of the "oil"
arguement in Iraq because we don't get any oil from iraq that I know of.
I think we buy oil from the number one terrorist supporter, S. Arabia,
so why the hell do we need Iraq's oil? It's bullshit. We're over there
for all the wrong goddamn reasons and oil ain't one of them.
JD
Jim Chandler
Actually, JD, I believe that oil is purchased on an international
market, not from individual countries. Sinclair can probably set us
straight on this as he is far more familiar with such things than I am.
If this IS the case, the old "blood for oil" skreed doesn't pan out.
JimC
GeoGoddess
"JD Cooper" <BA...@humbug.job> wrote >
> Well, actually I was making a joke about why *we* are there... poppies
> because there is no oil to exploit? As I recall the intent was to break
> up the Taliban and the terror training camps and kick some butt on al
> quieda (or however you spell it) In short, I'm pretty sick of the "oil"
> arguement in Iraq because we don't get any oil from iraq that I know of.
> I think we buy oil from the number one terrorist supporter, S. Arabia,
> so why the hell do we need Iraq's oil? It's bullshit. We're over there
> for all the wrong goddamn reasons and oil ain't one of them.
>
> JD
>
pressure from multi-national business to secure a rich supply of oil in the
interests of making more money? I tend to think oil plays a part in it.
With all the oil the US and Canada produces, are either of us
self-sufficient in oil? I don't believe we are, but then our oil production
isn't controlled by government, is it? Controlled by multi-national
corporations for the most part, I think....
annie in bc
JD Cooper
As far as I can tell, that is correct. It's true enough about this idiot
"blood for oil" screed. It moon bat lefties with no new ideas at work.
Meantime the same moon barking lefties prevent us from developing our
own known and quite *vast* reserves right here in the good old USA.
JD
JD Cooper
We could be if the left would get the hell out of the way.
JD
RH
>Do you really think this police force will kill their own? That's really what this right wing
>administration pins their hopes on in Iraq. They think if they can get this police force to kill >their own by way of a hand picked right wing government, us, the US can withdraw its
>military might. That will cave in like a sand castle on water's edge at Carolina Beach.
What they're not saying is that they're building several permanent
military bases in Iraq and they don't plan on ever leaving. In their
twisted minds - 'might makes right'. They see mass deception/propaganda
as very helpful and legitimate tools to achieve their ends.
All endeavors that are steeped in deception and mass murder eventually
collapse. The foundation of the Bush regime and nearly everything that
they've done is rotten to the core and that started with the hideously
corrupt bastards in the Bush regime stealing the presidency. Whatever
they touch rots and reeks. They're destined to crash. Despite their
prestige and high social statuses, they're far lower than the average
American. The bastard warmongers deserve orange jump suits, life
sentences and our pity.
rh
---------
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth
and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and
for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall.."
- Mahatma Gandhi
Seth Hammond
Not even. We doan need no steenkin' oil. We have a variety of
alternatives. All we need is a gummint without an agenda of their personal
own. Let petroleum products continue to increase in price. It just makes
alternatives look better & better.
Problem is farmers wanna fuck us as much as petroleum flacks do. Cheap-ass
ethanol is currently more expensive than gasoline. Ethanol is added to the
gasoline I buy!
Corn grows better'n weeds in the midwest - until there's no more
petroleum-based chemical fertilizer left anymore.
Sometimes I wish I could go get drunk....
Crusher
"JD Cooper" <BA...@humbug.job> wrote in message
news:AvCdne6qUI7PMgTZ...@texas.net...
> GeoGoddess wrote:
>> It's a good question.... do we *need* Iraq's oil? Or is there simply a
>> huge
>> pressure from multi-national business to secure a rich supply of oil in
>> the
>> interests of making more money? I tend to think oil plays a part in it.
>> With all the oil the US and Canada produces, are either of us
>> self-sufficient in oil? I don't believe we are, but then our oil
>> production
>> isn't controlled by government, is it? Controlled by multi-national
>> corporations for the most part, I think....
>> annie in bc
>
> We could be if the left would get the hell out of the way.
>
> JD
The CEO of Chevron appeared on CNBC a couple of days ago, arguing that their
large profits were needed for oil exploration and that they had found a
billion barrels of new oil reserves in recent years. He noted that there
was enough proven reserves to last another forty years (which I distinctly
remember was said forty years ago) and that there were huge deposits
offshore in the US continental shelf which they were being prohibited from
exploiting due to the possibility of oil spills along our fabulous Eastern
shore beach communities. This is the right v. the right, not the left, and
Jeb Bush of Fla is one of the principal opponents of offshore drilling along
Florida's coastline.
The recent PBS Frontline program "The Dark Side" has numerous tapes of
administration persons publicly defending the Iraq war with unsupported
claims of WMD's, and a number of ex CIA and other ex-government employees
staunchly claiming that they were pressured into furnishing information
supporting the Administration's (specifically Cheney's) determination to go
to war whether the intelligence data was correct or not. Iraq sits on one
of the largest oil reserves in the world, and Cheney's secret meeting with
the oil execs was specifically to see that the oil companies would be able
to develop the oil reserves themselves after the war.
--Bob--
Marian
Quite so. Anyone who missed Frontline's 'The Dark Side' can see it
online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
Marian
Ricardo
Ricardo wrote:
> Do you really think this police force will kill their own? That's
> really what this right wing administration pins their hopes on in Iraq.
> They think if they can get this police force to kill their own by way
> of a hand picked right wing government, us, the US can withdraw its
> military might. That will cave in like a sand castle on water's edge
> at Carolina Beach.
Tonight i was just weatching John McCain saying, what we need to do is
get these 200,000 trained Iraqi up and defending their country against
insurgents. Wow...the man
is outta his mind just like almost everyone leading this country. They
ain't got fifty people willing to die for this puppet government.
JD Cooper
Crusher wrote:
I see no connection between "administration persons publicly defending
the Iraq war" and the idiot response of our elected officials refusing
to allow drilling for our own resources. The liberal left is the foward
guard of preventing our own independance form despots in third world
cave man countries.
JD
Seth Hammond
"GeoGoddess" <kamlo...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:U3hmg.73719$Mn5.60312@pd7tw3no...
I'd score some decent hash even if the seller wore a bright red suit and had
horns & tail....
pijoe
Once oil hits the oil market, it's just "oil." The myth that we buy oil
from individual countries is just another example of the ignorance of
the left.
GeoGoddess
"Seth Hammond" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4fu2t3F...@individual.net...
Well, Mick and I were on our way to the pub for a pint of Polar Bear.....
Care to join us?
Annie in BC
Seth Hammond
Tempting, but 'no'. Got any BC Bud?
GeoGoddess
"Seth Hammond" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote >
> Tempting, but 'no'. Got any BC Bud?
>
>
>
>
annie in bc
Seth Hammond
(wheeeeeeeeef), 'ere....