Is this the 'best of the best' in England?
Broke61705
borrowed from another group...
Last August, British Heritage magazine polled their readers for their favorite
places to visit in Britain and got over 3500 replies. Here are the winners,
1st, 2d, 3d in each category, as reported in the latest issue:
Stately Home: Hampton Court, Blenheim Palace, Buckingham Palace
Castle: Edinburgh, Windsor, Tower of London
Galleries: National Gallery, Tate G., National Portrait G.
Gardens: Kew, Hever Castle, Sissinghurst
Churches & Cathedrals: Westminster Abbey, Canterbury Cathedral, York Minster
Museums: British Museum, V&A, Roman Baths Museum, Bath
Ancient Sites: Stonehenge, Old Sarum, Avebury
Other Sites: Hadrian's Wall, Tower Bridge, Harrods
..
Lustron1
Winston's modest gravesite at Bladon...]; had to pass on the invite to the
Hamilton Castle at Edinburgh, but loved Windsor; enjoyed Evensong at both
Westminster Abbey & St.George's, and Matins at St.Paul's Cathedral. Avebury
was very special for this Anthropology major[Wanna see pictures?]... We were
in town for Harrods' 150th anniversar. Tried & failed to get there for the
fireworks [Is "Al" Fayed a tacky man or what?]. Has it traditionally been
outlined in white lights? (Please tell me, Brits. It is now. Like a Xmas
tree!]
Marian<who loved England...>
Yoj
Salisbury (which has the most beautiful stained glass windows I've ever
seen), and Stratford-upon-Avon.
Joy
Broke61705 wrote in message <19990311112854...@ng62.aol.com>...
Lustron1
trap!
I never wanted to see it in the first place, but my son-in-law insisted.
Perhaps, there's a reason for it when there's a play happening in the
summertime, but it was less than a worthless trip, IMHO...
Marian
Broke61705
(Lustron1) writes:
>Well, Keith, I saw and loved Blenheim [tripping next door for a visit to
>Winston's modest gravesite at Bladon...]; had to pass on the invite to the
>Hamilton Castle at Edinburgh, but loved Windsor; enjoyed Evensong at both
>Westminster Abbey & St.George's, and Matins at St.Paul's Cathedral. Avebury
>was very special for this Anthropology major[Wanna see pictures?]... We were
>in town for Harrods' 150th anniversar. Tried & failed to get there for the
>fireworks [Is "Al" Fayed a tacky man or what?]. Has it traditionally been
>outlined in white lights? (Please tell me, Brits. It is now. Like a Xmas
>tree!]
>Marian<who loved England...>
Pictures Marian? You've said the magic word! E-mail them, post them, send
them collect, whatever.
Yes please to the pictures!
k
Broke61705
<jgay...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>They left off Warwick Castle, St. Paul's Cathedral, the cathedral at
>Salisbury (which has the most beautiful stained glass windows I've ever
>seen), and Stratford-upon-Avon.
>
>Joy
I wish we had the time to see Salisbury Cathedral because so many people have
sung it praises. Luckily, we get to see the others you mentioned.
k
Guru43
>From: lust...@aol.com (Lustron1)
>Date: 3/11/99 5:04 PM GMT
>Well, Keith, I saw and loved Blenheim [tripping next door for a visit to
>Winston's modest gravesite at Bladon...]; had to pass on the invite to the
>Hamilton Castle at Edinburgh, but loved Windsor; enjoyed Evensong at both
>Westminster Abbey & St.George's,
>and Matins at St.Paul's Cathedral. Avebury
>was very special for this Anthropology major[Wanna see pictures?]... We were
>in town for Harrods' 150th anniversar. Tried & failed to get there for the
>fireworks [Is "Al" Fayed a tacky man or what?]. Has it traditionally
>been
>outlined in white lights? (Please tell me, Brits. It is now. Like a Xmas
>tree!]
>Marian
long as I remember (back to 1983)
carl
For a full week the blackberries would ripen,
At first just one, a glossy purple clot
Among others, red green hard as a knot
You ate that one first and its flesh was sweet
Like thickened wine summer's blood was in it
Yoj
church and read the lines Shakespeare wrote for his tombstone, which I've
read so many times in books, I got goosebumps when I realized I was looking
at the real thing - even if I did have to read it upside down. <G>
When I was there we had lunch in a pub that was there in Shakespeare's time.
The menu mentioned that fact, and said that he *may* well have frequented
it. We saw "Macbeth" there, and didn't do much else except walk the same
streets that Shakespeare walked and watch a boat going through a lock.
Well, we did stay in the Shakespeare Hotel - 300-year-old building with all
mod cons. Lovely. Of course we had a friend who lived nearby and drove us
around and showed us the area.
Joy
Lustron1 wrote in message <19990311131516...@ng150.aol.com>...
>Joy~ Stratford-Upon-Avon, in our opinion was Disneyland East~a MAJOR
tourist
>trap!
>
>I never wanted to see it in the first place, but my son-in-law insisted.
>Perhaps, there's a reason for it when there's a play happening in the
>summertime, but it was less than a worthless trip, IMHO...
>
>Marian
>
>>
>>They left off Warwick Castle, St. Paul's Cathedral, the cathedral at
>>Salisbury (which has the most beautiful stained glass windows I've ever
>>seen), and Stratford-upon-Avon.
>>
>>Joy
>>
Tessa
Tessa
Lustron1 wrote in message
<19990311120420...@ng150.aol.com>...
>Well, Keith, I saw and loved Blenheim [tripping next door for a visit
to
>Winston's modest gravesite at Bladon...]; had to pass on the invite to
the
>Hamilton Castle at Edinburgh, but loved Windsor; enjoyed Evensong at
both
>Westminster Abbey & St.George's, and Matins at St.Paul's Cathedral.
Avebury
>was very special for this Anthropology major[Wanna see pictures?]...
We were
>in town for Harrods' 150th anniversar. Tried & failed to get there for
the
>fireworks [Is "Al" Fayed a tacky man or what?]. Has it traditionally
been
>outlined in white lights? (Please tell me, Brits. It is now. Like a
Xmas
>tree!]
>
>Marian<who loved England...>
Tessa
York (in Yorkshire of course) is special. There is so much to see there
and all within a walkable distance. If in York, you must go to
'Betty's' for a cream tea (she said on a diet). It is called Betty's
isn't it Win? In London a walk along the South Bank of the Thames with
Big Ben, Westminster Abbey and the Houses of Parliament opposite is a
favourite of mine. Magic at any time of the year. Then of course
there's Oxford and Cambridge etc. etc. Edinburgh - beautiful.
Tessa
Broke61705 wrote in message
<19990311112854...@ng62.aol.com>...
>
Toddy
I was married in the chapel of the Order of the British Empire in St Paul's Cathedral Crypt , so I agree Joy, it is a great place to visit, besides everything else there is to see there :-)
Toddy
Broke61705 wrote in message <19990311132008...@ngol01.aol.com>...
>In article <7c8uue$s...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "Yoj"
><jgay...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
>>They left off Warwick Castle, St. Paul's Cathedral, the cathedral at
>>Salisbury (which has the most beautiful stained glass windows I've ever
>>seen), and Stratford-upon-Avon.
>>
>>Joy
>
>I wish we had the time to see Salisbury Cathedral because so many people have
>sung it praises. Luckily, we get to see the others you mentioned.
>
>k
>
Broke61705
<tod...@q-net.net.au> writes:
>I recommend the Natural History Museum and Stonehenge, although I have =
>heard that the latter is now fenced in, and very much a touristy place =
>:-(
>I was married in the chapel of the Order of the British Empire in St =
>Paul's Cathedral Crypt , so I agree Joy, it is a great place to visit, =
>besides everything else there is to see there :-)
>Toddy
Have to go to St. Paul's and see where my friend was married!
Sorry to give you this bad news Toddy, but Stonehenge was knocked down and
totally destroyed by Chevy Chase in 'European Vacation'. We have some pretty
big rocks in Red Rock Canyon I can show you.
k
>Broke61705 wrote in message =
><19990311132008...@ngol01.aol.com>...
>>In article <7c8uue$s...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "Yoj"
>><jgay...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>
>>>They left off Warwick Castle, St. Paul's Cathedral, the cathedral at
>>>Salisbury (which has the most beautiful stained glass windows I've =
>ever
>>>seen), and Stratford-upon-Avon.
>>>
>>>Joy
>>
>>I wish we had the time to see Salisbury Cathedral because so many =
>people have
>>sung it praises. Luckily, we get to see the others you mentioned.
>>
>>k =20
>>
>>>Broke61705 wrote in message =
Guru43
>Date: 3/12/99 2:59 AM G
>I recommend the Natural History Museum and Stonehenge, although I have =
>heard that the latter is now fenced in, and very much a touristy place =
>:-(
Yes--Stonehenge is down the tubes and is the subject of much media criticism as
a result--noting that what should be a very significant monument has been
ruined.
It was fenced because so many groups, such as druids and so on wished to
celebrate various solstices and other pagan festivals--that the authorities
(there's a word to conjure with) gradually made it less accessible and there
were/are various police confrontations.
Broke61705
<Te...@berryhill80.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>I have visited most of these places over the years and they are lovely.
>York (in Yorkshire of course) is special. There is so much to see there
>and all within a walkable distance. If in York, you must go to
>'Betty's' for a cream tea (she said on a diet). It is called Betty's
>isn't it Win? In London a walk along the South Bank of the Thames with
>Big Ben, Westminster Abbey and the Houses of Parliament opposite is a
>favourite of mine. Magic at any time of the year. Then of course
>there's Oxford and Cambridge etc. etc. Edinburgh - beautiful.
>Tessa
Thanks for the information Tessa. We have two days in York and are planning to
visit Betty's for a 'fat rascal' and tea. If we miss the one in York we'll
catch Betty in Harrogate. I wish we had the time to go to Scotland, it is
beautiful country. My mother used to go with a step-father of mine and I have
family, by marriage, in Luss, a spit away from Loch Lomand. Wouldn't it be fun
for Margaret to take the high and I, the low road just to see who won? Perhaps
another time.
Glad to see you have visited most of these places. From reading Bill Bryson, I
got the impression that most people in England don't visit as much as they
might I recently met two young ladies from Manchester who said they had only
been to London once and never to Scotland. I found that quite amazing, (no, I
didn't faint :)) but, when reflecting upon it later I thought of Margaret, who,
after living in New York for 40 years, finally went to see The Statue of
Liberty the day before we moved to Las Vegas. I suppose some of us take our
treasures for granted or just assume we'll get there 'one of these days'.
k
>Broke61705 wrote in message
David Taggart
> Glad to see you have visited most of these places. From reading Bill Bryson, I
> got the impression that most people in England don't visit as much as they
> might I recently met two young ladies from Manchester who said they had only
> been to London once and never to Scotland.
>
Keith, you are correct in your impression that English people do not
visit places such as London. Why not? Perhaps because it is vastly
expensive, full of rip-off merchants, is usually very filthy, and the
people are invariably rude and unhelpful.
The only redeeming feature about London (as far as I am concerned) is
the wonderful theatre shows which are produced there. I go to see the
shows and then get back, as quickly as possible, to the "best of the
best". I mean Yorkshire, of course.
BTW a similar accusation might be made against Parisians. On my first
visit when I was 15, my pen-friend took me to the Eiffel tower and it
was her first visit. None of her family who had lived in Paris all
their lives had been to the top of the tower. Their reply when I
expressed my surprise was; pour les Parisiens, c'est normal. La Tour
Eiffel, ca c'est pour les visiteurs.
Now I propose to duck and run before all those Southerners start to
throw hand-grenades at me!!
Win Barnard
Those are some of our wonders.There are so many more though,that we're
spoiled for choice. Lots of those are in the London area,so one could go to
London and need all available time to see some of the sights.
I see we've only got two of those places in this northern part of the world.
i.e. York Minster and Hadrian's Wall.
We've got Fountain's Abbey, Whitby, Rievaulx Abbey, Beamish Museum,
Bowes museum,
Castle Howard,The Forbidden Garden, and others.
The country in between is lovely too.
Win
> Last August, British Heritage magazine polled their readers for their favorite
> places to visit in Britain and got over 3500 replies. Here are the winners,
> 1st, 2d, 3d in each category, as reported in the latest issue:
> Stately Home: Hampton Court, Blenheim Palace, Buckingham Palace
> Castle: Edinburgh, Windsor, Tower of London
> Galleries: National Gallery, Tate G., National Portrait G.
> Gardens: Kew, Hever Castle, Sissinghurst
> Churches & Cathedrals: Westminster Abbey, Canterbury Cathedral, York Minster
> Museums: British Museum, V&A, Roman Baths Museum, Bath
> Ancient Sites: Stonehenge, Old Sarum, Avebury
> Other Sites: Hadrian's Wall, Tower Bridge, Harrods
> ..
Tessa
Tessa here, south. London does have its faults. I think the worst at
the moment is heavy traffic. It still is a wonderful city though. I
have always found that a lot of English people do not travel far. Once
they find their favourite holiday place, say Cornwall, they go back
there for every holiday. Will concede however that northerners are more
friendly.
Tessa :-)
David Taggart wrote in message <199903122...@zetnet.co.uk>...
Tessa
Bill Bryson is absolutely right but I am a foreigner here and still
after all these years (30) enjoy visiting the treasures of these islands
(inc Ireland here). I like the historical sites and lovely gardens but
I also appreciate the variety of landscapes and regional accents that so
enrich Britain.
However, for me nothing quite matches Scotland for its unique beauty and
widespread hospitality.
Tessa
Broke61705 wrote in message
<19990312112302...@ngol01.aol.com>...
(snipped)
>Glad to see you have visited most of these places. From reading Bill
Bryson, I
>got the impression that most people in England don't visit as much as
they
>might I recently met two young ladies from Manchester who said they
had only
Toddy
Toddy
Broke61705 wrote in message <19990312112302...@ngol01.aol.com>...
>In article <7c9ib7$s25$9...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Tessa"
><Te...@berryhill80.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
>>I have visited most of these places over the years and they are lovely.
>>York (in Yorkshire of course) is special. There is so much to see there
>>and all within a walkable distance. If in York, you must go to
>>'Betty's' for a cream tea (she said on a diet). It is called Betty's
>>isn't it Win? In London a walk along the South Bank of the Thames with
>>Big Ben, Westminster Abbey and the Houses of Parliament opposite is a
>>favourite of mine. Magic at any time of the year. Then of course
>>there's Oxford and Cambridge etc. etc. Edinburgh - beautiful.
>>Tessa
>
>Thanks for the information Tessa. We have two days in York and are planning to
>visit Betty's for a 'fat rascal' and tea. If we miss the one in York we'll
>catch Betty in Harrogate. I wish we had the time to go to Scotland, it is
>beautiful country. My mother used to go with a step-father of mine and I have
>family, by marriage, in Luss, a spit away from Loch Lomand. Wouldn't it be fun
>for Margaret to take the high and I, the low road just to see who won? Perhaps
>another time.
>
>Glad to see you have visited most of these places. From reading Bill Bryson, I
>got the impression that most people in England don't visit as much as they
>might I recently met two young ladies from Manchester who said they had only
>been to London once and never to Scotland. I found that quite amazing, (no, I
>didn't faint :)) but, when reflecting upon it later I thought of Margaret, who,
>after living in New York for 40 years, finally went to see The Statue of
>Liberty the day before we moved to Las Vegas. I suppose some of us take our
>treasures for granted or just assume we'll get there 'one of these days'.
>
>
>k
>
>>Broke61705 wrote in message
>><19990311112854...@ng62.aol.com>...
>>>
>>>borrowed from another group...
>>>
Broke61705
writes:
>
>
>> Glad to see you have visited most of these places. From reading Bill
>Bryson, I
>> got the impression that most people in England don't visit as much as they
>> might I recently met two young ladies from Manchester who said they had
>only
>> been to London once and never to Scotland.
>>
>
>Keith, you are correct in your impression that English people do not
>visit places such as London. Why not? Perhaps because it is vastly
>expensive, full of rip-off merchants, is usually very filthy, and the
>people are invariably rude and unhelpful.
>
>The only redeeming feature about London (as far as I am concerned) is
>the wonderful theatre shows which are produced there. I go to see the
>shows and then get back, as quickly as possible, to the "best of the
>best". I mean Yorkshire, of course.
>
>BTW a similar accusation might be made against Parisians. On my first
>visit when I was 15, my pen-friend took me to the Eiffel tower and it
>was her first visit. None of her family who had lived in Paris all
>their lives had been to the top of the tower. Their reply when I
>expressed my surprise was; pour les Parisiens, c'est normal. La Tour
>Eiffel, ca c'est pour les visiteurs.
>
>Now I propose to duck and run before all those Southerners start to
>throw hand-grenades at me!!
David, it sounds like you have the same regional differences that we have over
here. Although, if you said the same things about New York City, you most
certainly would be soundly thrashed by those a bit less civilized than Tessa &
Co. :)
Another interesting comparison is the proclamations (quotes, as remember) by
John, "Newcastle, the finest city in England", the fellow from Cornwall, "the
best!" Tessa, "Scotland, the grandest", and yourself and Stephen espousing the
glories of Yorkshire. Further confusing the issue is Win's silence and
Jingles' denunciation :) of Yorkshire. Who is this confused colonist to
believe?
k, who misses John terribly.
TJ Bernard
of this thread but I wonder if I could get some reaction from folk who
live in the UK to the following.
I'm in the preliminary phase of planning a 4 to 6 week tour of England,
Wales, Scotland and Ireland. (When you say UK does that take in all of
those places ?) We are looking at May and June 2000. We have never been
ever to England....We would fly to London spend a week or so there then
rent a car and drive around the country.......
I am assuming that I would keep the same car for the Ireland part of the
trip as well. However I have read in one book that the ferry charges
from Northern Wales for a car and passengers to Dublin is something like
250.00US One way......What's the cheapest way to ferry your car to
Ireland ? Is it cheaper from Scotland crossing over the North Channel?
Or do you do the England, Wales and Scotland as one fly-drive trip then
fly to Dublin from London or whatever and rent another car in Ireland
and do that as a seperate sort of trip ?
TJ
--
To reply please remove the word NOSPAM from my E Mail address.
Thank you
Guru43
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland includes 6 of
Ireland's 32 counties--which retained their link with Britain in 1920/21/22
when the rest of Ireland (The Republic of Ireland or EIRE in gaelic--pronounced
AIR-A) negotiated a phased independence from the United Kingdom--culminating in
1948 I believe.
However there is no manned border any more between the north and the south--the
phone boxes just suddenly go from green to red (like the buses) if you're
coming north or vice versa when you're going south.
Northern Ireland naturally uses the pound sterling like the rest of the UK.
However, the republic has its own currency--the PUNT, which is 'pound' in
gaelic (irish gaelic that is--Scots gaelic is different). The PUNT used to be
around par but is now around 89-90% of the value of sterling.
In short, regardless of how you travel the fact that Northern Ireland (often
known simply as Ulster) and the Republic of Ireland are two separate countries
should have no adverse impact whatever on your travel arrangements
Guru43
>From: TJ Bernard <tjbe...@NOSPAM.sympatico.ca>
>Date: 3/13/99 5:10 PM GMT
Looking further at your post TJ:
1. It will be cheaper to ferry across the North Channel from the Scottish port
of Stranraer, direct to Belfast--via high-speed catamaran it's about 90 minutes
and you drive off right downtown in Belfast--reaonably well signposted by far
from perfect.
However you MUST tell your rentacar agency that you will be driving in Ireland
because it requires extra insurance--now that may be diminishing as he common
market becomes more common--but keep yourself on the safe side by avoiding any
ambiguity.
Conversely whether you rent a car in Northern Ireland (Belfast) or in the
republic (Dublin) you'll have no problem driving the length and breadth of the
island--again it's worth just saying am I OK with this car both north and south
to which they will 99.9% likely reply 'och aye . . surely!'
For ferrying the North Channel you have to factor that it's 450 miles-odd from
London with gas at C$8/gallon, but you should get 30 to the gallon or better to
partially offset that.
Again, if you're driving the length and breadth of the land that won't be a
factor.
When driving north from London it is HIGHLY recommended that you drive up the
east coast--the righthand side--which has many stretches that are wild and
mythic.
The western side of the country is much more industrialised--if you are looking
at London-Birmingham-Liverpool routing
Wales is almost all terrific and the English west country--Devon Somerset
Cornwall, etc. is by turns pleasantly-arable and quite mysterious/interesting
Trust me on the east coast route--did London to Edinburgh and it was a total
nother country compared to the west side (which is only 100-200 miles away
anyway)
Hope this helps, Sir.
Guru43
>Date: 3/13/99 4:59 PM GMT
No--Yorkshire is one of the wilder more mystical parts of England--an absolute
delight to drive around in with no deadlines--able to take a sideroad at whim.
That bickering stuff in the group is just sort of like rebel/yankee stuff over
a beer--kidding.
Course you knew that because you always know the answer, Keith,m before you ask
the question<g>
John Douglas
has more castles than you can shake a stick at (wonderful colonial
expression that<G>) but my own castle is open to the public by
appointment only, sorry.
Newcastle, as mr.k rightly points out, is the finest city in England.
We have more listed buildings than anywhere else in the country (a
listed building is one designated as being of outstanding
architectural merit) London has more but London is much bigger than
Newcastle so we win on a straight count per square mile. Did I hear
somebody say Bath has more? Well, perhaps one or two more but
Newcastle has more restaurants and pubs so you can enjoy yourself
much more than you ever could in the Bath!
Anything else you need to know?
Just popped in to say hello BTW, before I dash off to sunny Spain again:-)
--
========
John Douglas
¿estatopian?
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/estatopia
TJ Bernard
>
> carl
Carl:
Thanks a bunch. Much appreciated. Cut and pasted to file. Amen.
TJ
> For a full week the blackberries would ripen,
> At first just one, a glossy purple clot
> Among others, red green hard as a knot
> You ate that one first and its flesh was sweet
> Like thickened wine summer's blood was in it
--
Toddy
Do you have your own place there?
Toddy
John Douglas wrote in message <199903132...@zetnet.co.uk>...
Tessa
Tessa
Win Barnard wrote in message <199903122...@zetnet.co.uk>...
>Hi Keith.
>Those are some of our wonders.There are so many more though,that we're
>spoiled for choice. Lots of those are in the London area,so one could
go to
> London and need all available time to see some of the sights.
>I see we've only got two of those places in this northern part of the
world.
>i.e. York Minster and Hadrian's Wall.
>We've got Fountain's Abbey, Whitby, Rievaulx Abbey, Beamish Museum,
>Bowes museum,
>Castle Howard,The Forbidden Garden, and others.
>The country in between is lovely too.
>Win
>
>
>> Last August, British Heritage magazine polled their readers for their
favorite
>> places to visit in Britain and got over 3500 replies. Here are the
winners,
>> 1st, 2d, 3d in each category, as reported in the latest issue:
>
>> Stately Home: Hampton Court, Blenheim Palace, Buckingham Palace
>> Castle: Edinburgh, Windsor, Tower of London
>> Galleries: National Gallery, Tate G., National Portrait G.
>> Gardens: Kew, Hever Castle, Sissinghurst
>> Churches & Cathedrals: Westminster Abbey, Canterbury Cathedral, York
Minster
>> Museums: British Museum, V&A, Roman Baths Museum, Bath
>> Ancient Sites: Stonehenge, Old Sarum, Avebury
>> Other Sites: Hadrian's Wall, Tower Bridge, Harrods
>> ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Guru43
>Date: 3/14/99 1:59 AM GMT Standard Time
>Message-id: <36EB42...@NOSPAM.sympatico.ca>
>> Hope this helps, Sir.
>>
>> carl
>
>
>Carl:
>
>Thanks a bunch. Much appreciated. Cut and pasted to file. Amen.
Update TJ--they just advertized Ł99
(say C$240/250) for a three-day return STRANRAER-BELFAST with two people in the
car.
The most common cheap (er) ticket on many of the routes is five-day-return with
4 or 5 adults in the car. Any websites I find I will pass on.
carl
Until, on Vinegar Hill, the fatal conclave
terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon
The hillside blushed, soaked in our broken wave
They buried us without shroud or coffin
And in August the barley grew up out of the grave (Heaney)
TJ Bernard
>
> >Subject: Re: Is this the 'best of the best' in England?
> >From: TJ Bernard <tjbe...@NOSPAM.sympatico.ca>
> >Date: 3/14/99 1:59 AM GMT Standard Time
> >Message-id: <36EB42...@NOSPAM.sympatico.ca>
>
> >> Hope this helps, Sir.
> >>
> >> carl
> >
> >
> >Carl:
> >
> >Thanks a bunch. Much appreciated. Cut and pasted to file. Amen.
>
> Update TJ--they just advertized Ł99
> (say C$240/250) for a three-day return STRANRAER-BELFAST with two people in the
> car.
>
> The most common cheap (er) ticket on many of the routes is five-day-return with
> 4 or 5 adults in the car. Any websites I find I will pass on.
>
> carl
>
Thank you
TJ
> Until, on Vinegar Hill, the fatal conclave
> terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon
> The hillside blushed, soaked in our broken wave
> They buried us without shroud or coffin
> And in August the barley grew up out of the grave (Heaney)
--
Tessa
with any London-based info nearer the time, please don't hesitate to
ask.
Tessa
TJ Bernard wrote in message <36EAC5...@NOSPAM.sympatico.ca>...
John Douglas
eulogy to my home town yesterday, take a look at this from the BBC's web pages-========================================================================
Monday, July 13, 1998 Published at 01:04 GMT 02:04 UK
UK
Newcastle tops poll of UK cities
For the second year running Newcastle has been named as the best
place in the UK in which to work.
The north-eastern regional capital scored the highest ratings as a
lively and easy place to work because of its modern, accessible
offices, good career prospects and excellent transport links,
according to the 2,500 white-collar workers questioned.
The survey found that Paris was the European city most office workers
would like to relocate to, because of its food and lively atmosphere.
Barcelona, Dublin and Amsterdam also scored highly.
The survey compared the ease of commuting to work, quality of public
transport, career prospects, pollution, and the general office atmosphere.
Transport was a key factor identified, with 38% driving to work,
followed by the bus (26%), train (17%) and tube (12%).
However, city planners will be dismayed by the survey's discovery
that nothing would persuade 25% of the survey's respondents to leave
their car at home.
Similar proportions said poor efficiency, infrequency and expense
were the biggest obstacles to them using public transport.
Office workers have become more content with their lot in Cardiff -
rated best for shopping, Leeds - best for bars and restaurants - and
Birmingham, but people working in Milton Keynes, Glasgow and
Southampton were growing increasingly dissatisfied.
London's West End is seen to be the most exciting place to work,
offering the best career prospects.
Reading has the best parking, Milton Keynes offers the most luxurious
surroundings inside the office, while Southampton is the best city in
which to sit outside at lunch time.
The league table (last year's position in brackets)
1: Newcastle (1)
2: Cardiff (4)
3: Leeds (6)
4: Milton Keynes (2)
5: Birmingham (11)
6: Glasgow (3)
7: Reading (9)
8: Manchester (7)
9: London's West End (10)
10: Edinburgh (14)
11: Bristol (12)
12: London, The City (8)
13: Southampton (5)
14: London, Hammersmith (13)
15: Cambridge (15)
TJ Bernard
>
> Hi TJ - I see Carl's answered your queries most ably. If I can help
> with any London-based info nearer the time, please don't hesitate to
> ask.
> Tessa
Tessa:
Thanks....Im just getting started but I really appreciate having the
luxury of actually asking people who live in the country about things
that they are probably very familiar with.......great stuff.....
Thanks offering
Guru43
>From: John Douglas <esta...@zetnet.co.uk>
>Date: 3/14/99 4:56 PM GMT
>Just in case you think I might have been biased (who me?) with my
>eulogy to my home town yesterday, take a look at this from the BBC's web
>pages-
>--
>========
>John Douglas
>¿estatopian?
(polite tear)
>1: Newcastle (1)
>2: Cardiff (4)
>3: Leeds (6)
>4: Milton Keynes (2)
>5: Birmingham (11)
>6: Glasgow (3)
>7: Reading (9)
>8: Manchester (7)
>9: London's West End (10)
>10: Edinburgh (14)
>11: Bristol (12)
>12: London, The City (8)
>13: Southampton (5)
>14: London, Hammersmith (13)
>15: Cambridge (15)
So Scunthorpe and Slough are right off-scale LOL.
Always thought about moving to Milton Keynes when I was living in Great
Missenden, Buckinghamshire (not far from High Wycombe which would appear in
your atlas probably if you're in the US/Canada--and later in marlow,
Buckinghamshire--just 10 miles away and on the Thames just downriver from
Henley--and has a regatta like henley--tho' on a smaller scale.
As I understand it--Milton Keynes (40-45 miles north of London on a fast
railway connection) was built as a new town from the ground up on a greenfield
site--after the war and had a lot of amenties--walking trails--open
spaces--community facilities etc--but never actually stopped there got out of
the car and took a look.
However, Newcastle would have been the place to go for inexpensive housing--am
I right John?
In London, worked on Arundel Street--which runs from the top of Fleet
Street--just where it meets the Strand----down to Temple tube station on the
Thames Embankment.
Last trip to London/October 1998
carl
300 miles from Belfast--one hour flight
Broke61705
John, good to see you have backed up, what I considered, your wild claim with
documentation. Although you must be gnawing your teeth after having the
popularity of Paris reiterated in the article. :)
Still on for lunch, 16 May, in Whitby with Win and the Yanks?
k
In article <199903141...@zetnet.co.uk>, John Douglas
<esta...@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
kelly
>
> > Glad to see you have visited most of these places. From reading Bill Bryson, I
> > got the impression that most people in England don't visit as much as they
> > might I recently met two young ladies from Manchester who said they had only
> > been to London once and never to Scotland.
> >
>
> Keith, you are correct in your impression that English people do not
> visit places such as London. Why not? Perhaps because it is vastly
> expensive, full of rip-off merchants, is usually very filthy, and the
> people are invariably rude and unhelpful.
>
> The only redeeming feature about London (as far as I am concerned) is
> the wonderful theatre shows which are produced there. I go to see the
> best". I mean Yorkshire, of course.
>
> BTW a similar accusation might be made against Parisians. On my first
> visit when I was 15, my pen-friend took me to the Eiffel tower and it
> was her first visit. None of her family who had lived in Paris all
> their lives had been to the top of the tower. Their reply when I
> expressed my surprise was; pour les Parisiens, c'est normal. La Tour
> Eiffel, ca c'est pour les visiteurs.
>
> Now I propose to duck and run before all those Southerners start to
> throw hand-grenades at me!!
Anyway, neither London nor Paris is a good image of either country.
Come to Anjou or Britanny!!
BTW, I love the Cotswolds!
Kelly
Stephen
Without a doubt !<><>Stephen
Stephen
'Betty's' for a cream tea (she said on a diet). It is called Betty's
Betty's is a trade name now. There are numerous cafés of that name. However
they still leave their buns and cakes on full view and in the open in their
shops. Most unhygienic.<><>Stephen
Stephen
Anyway, neither London nor Paris is a good image of either country.
Come to Anjou or Britanny!!
BTW, I love the Cotswolds!
Kelly
Where is Anjou? Kelly, what is the nearest large town, I can't find it on my
map. I think I'll have a drive round there some time this year.<><>Stephen
Stephen
However, for me nothing quite matches Scotland for its unique beauty and
widespread hospitality.
Tessa
Scotland's the finest place in the world apart from the flies and the
weather especially in the Northwest around the Torridon area. I love
Scotland and the people and this comes from a Yorkshireman. But I can't
stand the wailing bagpipes, sorry! <><>Stephen
Stephen
Tessa
bit too touristy especially in the summer months. I am surprised no one has
yet mentioned the English lake district, in my opinion the finest bit of
England there is, a jewel in the heart of England as one American tourist
once said to me whilst climbing in the hills. An area beloved by William
Wordsworth who spent his early years of marriage living on the shores of the
lake of Grasmere, where one can still visit his cottage and inhale the
beauty of that little paradise. Some of the greatest artists of the time
were inspired by the beauty and magnificence of this once unexplored
place.<><>Stephen( who still wanders slowly as a cloud)
kelly
Sorry to bother you Stephen, but you can't have been to Norway!! That
IS the finest country in the world!!!!!!!!!!
Kelly -:)
kelly
If I remember right he wrote a poem from the shores of that lake?
kelly
jin...@my-dejanews.com
So soothe my aching heart, beside the lake and beneath the trees do the
daffodils still dance, free from early culling for the local market?????
jingles
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Yes don't worry inland Cornwall is full of such sights but I was on the coast
Jingles Cornwall's beauty is mainly the coastline rugged and very beautiful and
wild.St Ives is popular with surfers as well as artists.Of course I think Devon
and Cornwall beat anything the North of England has to offer but I could be
prejudiced <G> It is much warmer too ? Maeve
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Win Barnard
That is a sad omission. The English Lake District is true beauty.
Trouble is, so many people want to see it and experience that beauty, that the
small area gets so blocked up that visiting becomes more trouble than
it should be. Is there ever an off visiting mania season???
I even forgot to mention it to Keith.???
What an error.!!
Win
Broke61705
<winba...@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
>
>Yes Stephen.
>That is a sad omission. The English Lake District is true beauty.
>Trouble is, so many people want to see it and experience that beauty, that
>the
>small area gets so blocked up that visiting becomes more trouble than
>it should be. Is there ever an off visiting mania season???
>I even forgot to mention it to Keith.???
>What an error.!!
>Win
Win, somewhere in the 67 books I've read about England, I think it was
mentioned once. :)
Beautiful country, I wish we had the time. Funny thing, long before I read a
book by Bill Bryson I read his account of the Lake District in a '92? issue of
National Geographic. One would fall in love with the area just from that
article alone.
k
kelly
>
> So soothe my aching heart, beside the lake and beneath the trees do the
> daffodils still dance, free from early culling for the local market?????
> jingles
>
don't know whether it's you or one of the Brontės!!
Kelly
Tessa
'I wondered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high oer dale and hill
And all at once I saw a crowd
A host of golden daffodils.'
Wordsworth??
or perhaps tis something else tis it Jingles?
Tessa
kelly wrote in message <36F7F2C3...@a2points.com>...
jin...@my-dejanews.com
'Tis inded Tissa oops sorry - Tessa (@_-)
jingles
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Win Barnard
> >
> >Yes Stephen.
> >That is a sad omission. The English Lake District is true beauty.
> >Trouble is, so many people want to see it and experience that beauty, that
> >the
> >small area gets so blocked up that visiting becomes more trouble than
> >it should be. Is there ever an off visiting mania season???
> >I even forgot to mention it to Keith.???
> >What an error.!!
> >Win
> Win, somewhere in the 67 books I've read about England, I think it was
> mentioned once. :)
> Beautiful country, I wish we had the time. Funny thing, long before I read a
> book by Bill Bryson I read his account of the Lake District in a '92? issue of
> National Geographic. One would fall in love with the area just from that
> article alone.
> k
Next time Keith what!!
There are only 12 hours in a day. In May there'll be more than 12
daylight hours, but you've got to sleep sometime.
Win
Win Barnard
Beside the lake, Beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
Win
Stephen
So soothe my aching heart, beside the lake and beneath the trees do the
daffodils still dance, free from early culling for the local market?????
jingles
about. Us Yorkshire folk might pluck flowers from the hospital grounds just
before visiting time, but to cull Willey's daffy's and sell them? It would
be unheard of, it is the sole surviving link to a great poet. I can see that
I shall have to take you into the bush on a poetry reading expedition and
teach you more even if it's only about the boy who stood on the burning deck
with his pockets full of crackers. ( I've forgotten the rest )<><>Stephen
Kelly
Is this supposed to be funny or is it my server? It's the 7th time
I've dowloaded the same post!???????
Kelly
jin...@my-dejanews.com
I haven't :-)
jingles
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"Stephen" <ste...@judgephoto.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> So soothe my aching heart, beside the lake and beneath the trees do the
> daffodils still dance, free from early culling for the local market?????
> jingles
> <><>Jingles Oh! Jingles! How could you. This is Cumbria we are talking
> about. Us Yorkshire folk might pluck flowers from the hospital grounds just
> before visiting time, but to cull Willey's daffy's and sell them? It would
> be unheard of, it is the sole surviving link to a great poet. I can see that
> I shall have to take you into the bush on a poetry reading expedition and
> teach you more even if it's only about the boy who stood on the burning deck
> with his pockets full of crackers. ( I've forgotten the rest )<><>Stephen
>
>
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