A wish
Graham
my 52 years that I have been in a place where it was shown live on the tv
where I live. It was live on the BBC and I can get that here in Holland, or
to put it another way, the old gag,
"Why does a dog lick its own testicles, cos it can".
Anyway after all the thing about, must be PC here, remember nearly getting
my head bitten off when I talked about cowboys and indians, a game we played
as kids, so to be PC all the thing about African Americans, (stupid cos
Poitier was born and bred till his 22nd year in the West Indies) anyway, I
have been thinking how nice it would be if we had one, just one African
American, or West Indian Brit, on this group. I know we have some Native
American Indians, and some aussies that have great respect for, cant
remember the PC so I will just say the aboriginies. I live in a city with 60
different nationalities. If only one of those would join. And I know Loes
lives in a more cultural diverse city, Amsterdam. A town I like to visit for
a night out, just becouse of that. I only been to the states once, many
years ago, went to the big Apple, what a great city, so multicultural. Why
dont we have somebody from The Bronx, or the other side of LA on this group.
There are at least a million British Indians, all with a computer, why aint
they talking to Richard about using the words "rag head".
In all honesty, I sometimes wonder if we even have a real split of the white
comunity in the world. But I wont dwell on that, we have, and I enjoy, a
wonderful group of individuals. Yet I still wonder what I am doing wrong to
keep all these other good people away from our group. Notice I use the word
I, cos I must be doing something elitist, to keep em away. And it saddens
me.
Just a comment.
Graham
Kelly Petit
Kelly-:)
"Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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Beth
Las Vegas now has a million plus population and it is very culturally
diverse.
I have dealt with people from all over the world here. At my last community
there were a number (well 5 families) who had immigrated from South Africa
who bought homes in my subdivision. One lovely lady from Ethiopia even gave
me a lovely plaque of a woman in Ethiopian dress and a lovely green shawl.
It is one of the aspects of my job that I love.
One time I mentioned to Ben (a realtor also from South Africa, have so and
so meet their neighbor and I said the name). He commented to me that they
may not get along, as they come from different areas and have quite a few
differing cultural beliefs. So.... this not getting along with ones own
countrymen is world wide.
Why can't we all get along? I don't know.
So....When will you be in Las Vegas??? The whole world comes here, you
know. You got at least see it once.
Beth
Smudge
B;-)
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Sue
shied away because of some of the talk. Could be wrong on that one. BJ??
Sue
Smudge wrote:
--
(Please remove the "butter" to email)
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach
you to keep your mouth shut."
Ernest Hemingway
Kelly Petit
nice.
Kelly
"Sue" <butt...@ewol.com> wrote in message
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Vickie
activist, nobody said much; that was okay with me, I was only trying to let
people get to know me. Once we were talking about the Billie Holiday song,
"Strange Fruit", and what it meant--lynching. I made the comment that the 1955
brutal torture and murder of 14 yr. old Emmett Till in Mississippi was the
"lynching" that set off the whole Civil Rights Movement. I was scolded for
"bringing all that up again" by someone who actually offered excuses..."Maybe
he was big for his age"..."Didn't he flirt with a white woman?"....etc., etc,
etc. Nobody said anything.
Not exactly a welcoming climate for people of color.
Vickie...<opens can> Worms! Get your fresh worms here!
>From: Sue butt...@ewol.com
>Date: 3/26/02
>I think BJ had an African American wanting to come on the group, but she
>shied away because of some of the talk. Could be wrong on that one. BJ??
>Sue
>
>
>Smudge wrote:
>
>> Precisely!......
>> B;-)
>>
>>
>> "Kelly Petit" <kelly...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>>>Who knows who's lurking?
>>>Kelly-:)
>>>
>>>"Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>>>
KEITHP279
Someone offered excuses for lynching? Shame on them, I must have missed the
thread.
I've been here for an eternity Vickie (or maybe it just seems that way) but I
must tell you that I have found the people to be invariably fairminded and fair
when it comes to understanding or commenting on other cultures/colors. Of
course I am, and can only, view that issue from my own perspective - that of a
white male. I understand that some might say that is *no* perspective at all,
and they may have a valid point. Nevertheless, I have only seen a couple of
posts that were truly racist, and a hue and cry rose in opposition to those
posts. I wish we were always as decent.
While I continue to believe we are far from perfect, I do not think we have
failed in this regard. Well, we did at least once, as you say. I regret we
missed the boat on that one.
k
In article <20020326184747...@mb-fs.aol.com>,
Flip
<kelly...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>we have somebody from The Bronx
I'm surprised she hasn't replied to this post.
Also, not in this group but in the 40+ group there was an African
American from the UK. He used to post a lot and got along with
everyone just great. I think more replied to his post than any
others. He has been under the weather lately I guess so hasn't
posted for a while. Who knows who reads this NG.
Cheers, Flip
RLloyd8949
>activist,
Have you observed, as a civil rihts activist, after black leadership reached
middle class status, they more or less abandoned
the cause.
Marian
posts on either of these subjects, much less the replies. I'da been on 'em like
white on rice.
And I'd still like to hear about your experiences in the Movement...
Marian
____________________________________________________
"A little civility is what Afghanistan needs. If I had guns,
people would hate me. Who wants guns?"
-HAMID KARZAI, Afghanistan's interim leader.
(Quote of the Day-NYTimes 2/26/02)
___________
Yoj
that, and I know there would have been a lot of flaming if someone defended
lynching here.
--
Joy
Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.
"Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
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Yoj
East LA."
--
Joy
Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.
"Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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Jim Everman
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=20010630090151.16979.00001486%40ng-fe1.aol.com>
To see all of the thread, click on "View complete thread."
Jim
--
Jim Everman mailto:eve...@Anet-STL.com
http://www.Anet-STL.com/~everman/
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by
stupidity.
Robert W. McKibben
hidden meaning racial posts and figure this is not the group they wish
to join.
I believe Richard is a "closet" racist trying to figure how he can wear
his granddaddy's White KKK Robe to his favorite Red Nek Cafe.
Richard is a putz and it puzzles me as to why more in this group don't
"see thru him".
Robert
Robert W. McKibben
here after I have gone to bed at 11pm, I missed your post. I grew up
barely hearing anything about my great grandmother because she was a
full blood Chiricahua Indian that told the Government to take their
"offerings' of 20 acres of land and the other things trying to placate
the Indian and "stick em where the sun didn't shine".( Bless her heart,
she probably gave up some good oil producing land, yet she belived in
Principles). I am sick of hearing Black People condeming this generation
for slavery, that Black People instigated. I never owned any slaves,
none of my ancestors were affluent enough to own a slave, therefore I
don't owe em a damn thing. If I want to get myself into a hissy, I can
get ballistic about how the American Indian was continually screwed by
the white man and his lies.
I welcome any race to participate in this group as long as they keep
their "entitlement views" to themselves.
Respectfully,
Robert
KEITHP279
<wes...@flash.net> writes:
>Richard is a putz and it puzzles me as to why more in this group don't
>"see thru him".
>Robert
See thru him? I can't even *see* him! As the moderns say, I don't know where
is coming from. Or going to. :)
He has a nice laugh though and a ready sense of humor. If appearances here are
to be believed, he can't write his way out of a paper bag. Even though we got
down in the dirt a few times, I've enjoyed his company these past few years.
He's good, he's bad, like everyone else.
k
Kelly Petit
"Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
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Rights
> activist, nobody said much; that was okay with me, I was only trying to
let
> people get to know me. Once we were talking about the Billie Holiday song,
> "Strange Fruit", and what it meant--lynching. I made the comment that the
1955
> brutal torture and murder of 14 yr. old Emmett Till in Mississippi was the
> "lynching" that set off the whole Civil Rights Movement. I was scolded for
> "bringing all that up again" by someone who actually offered
excuses..."Maybe
> he was big for his age"..."Didn't he flirt with a white woman?"....etc.,
etc,
> etc. Nobody said anything.
>
> Not exactly a welcoming climate for people of color.
>
> Vickie...<opens can> Worms! Get your fresh worms here!
>
upon your interior politics...
You're a courageous woman!
kelly
Kelly Petit
kelly
"Marian" <lust...@aol.com> wrote in message
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RLloyd8949
lol..lol...lol... your beliefs most always are wrong, Rob.
RLloyd8949
>See thru him? I can't even *see* him! As the moderns say, I don't know
>where
>is coming from. Or going to. :)
>
>He has a nice laugh though and a ready sense of humor. If appearances here
>are
>to be believed, he can't write his way out of a paper bag. Even though we
>got
>down in the dirt a few times, I've enjoyed his company these past few years.
>He's good, he's bad, like everyone else.
>
>k
>
thankee kindly k. I try hard to expose life as me observing it.
RLloyd8949
>their "entitlement views" to themselves.
>Respectfully,
>Robert
>
LOL..LOL...LOL....."and as long as i got mine" you forgot to say Rob.
Politically...i do see some improvement but can we win?
Di Wall
I have to admit that at the time I thought Vickie was the re-incarnation of
a former poster and was remiss in my welcome....sorry Vickie.
Di.......:)
"Kelly Petit" <kelly...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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Jean B.
>
> When I first joined this group and spoke of my experiences as a Civil Rights
> activist, nobody said much; that was okay with me, I was only trying to let
> people get to know me. Once we were talking about the Billie Holiday song,
> "Strange Fruit", and what it meant--lynching. I made the comment that the 1955
> brutal torture and murder of 14 yr. old Emmett Till in Mississippi was the
> "lynching" that set off the whole Civil Rights Movement. I was scolded for
> "bringing all that up again" by someone who actually offered excuses..."Maybe
> he was big for his age"..."Didn't he flirt with a white woman?"....etc., etc,
> etc. Nobody said anything.
>
> Not exactly a welcoming climate for people of color.
>
> Vickie...<opens can> Worms! Get your fresh worms here!
>
Excuse me for tuning in late, but since I happened to read this
message I do want to say that I do not recall reading the other
messages you allude to. I wonder how many may have just missed the
messages. I don't read all threads or all or each thread that I do
check in on, and sometimes the topics meander far from the original
one, so things get missed. I do wonder how much of the lack of
response is due to something like this rather than to any amount of
racism.
Looking back now at what you said, I may also not comment because I am
not knowledgeable enough to do so, or because I just don't know
precisely WHAT I want to say and perhaps someone else will be more
articulate than I am.
My lack of comment is certainly not meant as anything negative--or
even lack or interest!
Jean B.
Kelly Petit
"Robert W. McKibben" <wes...@flash.net> wrote in message
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> It has nothing to do with you Graham. Maybe lurkers have seen Richard's
> hidden meaning racial posts and figure this is not the group they wish
> to join.
> I believe Richard is a "closet" racist trying to figure how he can wear
> his granddaddy's White KKK Robe to his favorite Red Nek Cafe.
> Richard is a putz and it puzzles me as to why more in this group don't
> "see thru him".
> Robert
>
kelly
Kelly Petit
"KEITHP279" <keit...@aol.com> wrote in message
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kelly
Vickie
>Date: 3/26/02
>Here's a link to Vickie's post of "Strange Fruit" :
>
><http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=20010630090151.16979.00001486
%40ng-fe1.aol.com>
>
> To see all of the thread, click on "View complete thread."
>
> Jim
Thank you Jim...the sequence may have been a tad fuzzy, but I remembered most
of the particulars correctly.
Vickie
Vickie
>Date: 3/26/02
>Aw Gee, Vickie! That literally breaks my heart, because I Did Not See your
>posts on either of these subjects, much less the replies. I'da been on 'em
>like
>white on rice.
Yes, I now realize that not all people see all posts--it happens to me--but I
was a newbie back then.
>And I'd still like to hear about your experiences in the Movement...
I got involved as a teenager because I had a friend who couldn't sit with me at
a lunch counter, ride with me in the front of a bus or go swimming with me
because she was black. Her older brother came home from college talking about
blacks forming SNCC (Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee) and what they
were doing in the cities down south.
Anyone with a TV had seen black students being escorted by rifle-toting
soldiers through the front doors of high schools and colleges; or police
commissioner “Bull” Connor’s fire hoses and snarling police dogs
attacking peaceful marchers in Birmingham...the police beating helpless men,
women and children with batons...unforgettable pictures and scenes that shocked
a nation. (If it hadn't been for TV, no telling how much longer segregation
would have gone on.)
When they started organizing peaceful protests in Okla., I joined in. It was
common people who made up the ranks of the civil rights movement; the white
people among us were mostly housewives, students, teachers and religious
leaders. I remember being frightened, but feeling that this was the *right*
thing to do, and that felt so good.
We marched with signs in front of the amusement parks, bus stations and lunch
counters that wouldn't allow blacks. The blacks among us would go sit at the
lunch counters, peacefully, until the police came and carried them out. I
remember SNCC teaching us to go limp and not fight -- that above all else, we
were peaceful and nonviolent. They talked about Ghandi a lot. They were told to
dress in their finest clothes--the women wore hats and gloves, the men, suits
and ties. This was supposed to show a sign of respect.
I was never really beat up or hurt badly--just spat upon, shoved down and had
rocks thrown at me. The whites seemed particularly angry with the whites among
us, shouting "N***** Lover!!" The scariest time was when we protested at Doe
Doe Park in the summer of 1966. Surrounded and outnumbered greatly, we were
being shoved from all sides. I had trouble breathing. I'll never forget the
hate in those twisted white faces. I thought we were all going to be
killed...but somehow, cooler heads prevailed and we were permitted to
leave....they chased our departing cars, throwing rocks and bottles.
That's a little taste of what it was like. Nothing compared to what happened to
civil rights workers, Goodman, Chaney and Schwerner in 1964.
Vickie
rosie@readandpost
> When they started organizing peaceful protests in Okla., I joined in.
my family and i did the same thing, up here in milwaukee, wisconsin, and
after over 100 continuous nights of marching, this city was able to pass an
OPEN HOUSING LAW..........................
rosie
KEITHP279
<kelly...@wanadoo.fr> writes:
>I remember that Vickie, but we over here have to be 'careful' not to comment
>upon your interior politics...
>You're a courageous woman!
>kelly
She may very well be, but I seriously doubt we can verify that quality from the
post in question.
Kelly, why do you have to "be careful" with your comments? If they are
fair-minded and presented after looking at both, or all, side(s) of an issue, I
doubt anyone in here would object to your right to speak. If, on the other
hand, your views, or anyone elses, were seen as merely propaganda, beating a
subject to death as it were, *then* I could understand a courageous man or
woman objecting.
If you have been harassed for the first reason tell me his/her name and I'll
punch him/her in the nose. If, for the second reason, tell me his/her name and
I'll pat him on the back, and say, "Thank you for taking the time to care."
Then again, you may not know his/her reason. Try to determine it because *that
is what makes all the difference.* Do I imply that the fellow/gal loves
his/her country more than most? Certainly not, love of country is exhibited in
different ways and from every political philosophy. I guess the question we
must never stop asking is, "Why?"
Good luck in your search for the truth. It is an elusive thing to find. Just
when I think I've captured it, another reason, or side, or event, or disaster
pops up and I think, I wasn't holding the truth at all, it was an imposter!
My wish is that we always remember the Twin Towers.
k
KEITHP279
<kelly...@wanadoo.fr> writes:
>> See thru him? I can't even *see* him! As the moderns say, I don't know
>where
>> is coming from. Or going to. :)
>>
>> He has a nice laugh though and a ready sense of humor. If appearances
>here are
>> to be believed, he can't write his way out of a paper bag. Even though we
>got
>> down in the dirt a few times, I've enjoyed his company these past few
>years.
>> He's good, he's bad, like everyone else.
>>
>> k
>hey, does that mean that we agree for once?
>kelly
Don't you recall the time we were greatly outnumbered in the discussion about
corporal punishment? We took a spanking :) on that one.
Kelly, we were on the same side of the field on a few occasions, not enough
perhaps but enough to convince me we were both thinking. I don't ever want
anyone to agree with me all the time or disagree with me all the time. When
that happens I know she, or I, or both of us, aren't thinking at all.
Hey, it's past noon over there and over here it's Vegas, where time don't
count! :) Let's toast to something, anything! How about health?
k
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
[..]
>> Not exactly a welcoming climate for people of color.
>>
>> Vickie...
>I remember that Vickie, but we over here have to be 'careful' not to comment
>upon your interior politics...
>You're a courageous woman!
>kelly
Thank you, and I do understand your very delicate position. I guess we feel
that if anyone is going to call anything we do ugly, we should be the first in
line, because it is *our* ugly. <g>
Vickie
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
[..]
>I remember it as well, it certainly impacted.
>I have to admit that at the time I thought Vickie was the re-incarnation of
>a former poster and was remiss in my welcome....sorry Vickie.
>Di.......:)
Hi Di, no probs...I remember you as being very friendly...and funny.
Vickie
Kelly Petit
"Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
I read about Goodman, Chaney and Schwerner in the papers and then I have the
film that was shot about this tragic incident : Mississippi Burning with
Gene Hackman. A very good movie.
Kelly
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
[..]
>Looking back now at what you said, I may also not comment because I am
>not knowledgeable enough to do so, or because I just don't know
>precisely WHAT I want to say and perhaps someone else will be more
>articulate than I am.
>
>My lack of comment is certainly not meant as anything negative--or
>even lack or interest!
Yes, I understand; I think you were also a newbie like me. I said nothing
myself because I was afraid I'd be thought a troll.
Vickie
Kelly Petit
stuff in school and then my students discussed it and I sent the whole thing
to a friend of mine who's a psychologist - with my students' agreement of
course. She used it at work.
A toast to health is always a good thing - I've just come back from work and
as it's 6.30 p.m. here, it's time for a toast...
Kelly
Vickie
>Date: 3/26/02
>Someone offered excuses for lynching? Shame on them, I must have missed the
>thread.
Maybe reasons more than excuses, now that I read it again. I am still appalled,
there never should be a reason for gouging out a young kid's eyes because he
flirted with a white girl.
Yes, I realize that we miss posts, it happens to me.
>I've been here for an eternity Vickie (or maybe it just seems that way) but I
>must tell you that I have found the people to be invariably fairminded and
>fair
>when it comes to understanding or commenting on other cultures/colors.
Yes, I heartily agree, now that I know the regulars better...about 98% are as
you describe.
.>While I continue to believe we are far from perfect, I do not think we have
>failed in this regard. Well, we did at least once, as you say. I regret we
>missed the boat on that one.
I remember thinking that comments like that would scare off people of
color...if I saw it, others would as well
Also, there were other threads at that time...people were calling each other
trolls because they brought up controversial subjects. I shut up because I
didn't want to be thought of as a troll.
Vickie
Yoj
news:20020327104007...@mb-fj.aol.com...
I couldn't snip a word of your riveting description, Vickie. I have, and
had, the greatest admiration for the peaceful civil rights demonstrators. I
remember hearing MLK's "I have a dream" speech, and wishing I could be there
with him. However, I was in California and had two young children. I'm
sure there was discrimination here too, but it was more subtle and personal.
AFAIK there was never a time in California where there were laws about who
could sit where on a bus or eat at a restaurant. Of course, there were ways
of making people feel unwelcome, and I'm sure a lot of that went on that I
didn't know about. I agree that TV probably played a big part in getting us
as far as we have come with civil rights. I guess the media are good for
something, at least part of the time, in spite of the fact that they often
seem to aggravate problems.
Joy
MAEVE56
vbfr...@aol.comatose (Vickie)a écrit :
>When I first joined this group and spoke of my experiences as a Civil Rights
>activist, nobody said much; that was okay with me, I was only trying to let
>people get to know me. Once we were talking about the Billie Holiday song,
>"Strange Fruit", and what it meant--lynching. I made the comment that the
>1955
>brutal torture and murder of 14 yr. old Emmett Till in Mississippi was the
>"lynching" that set off the whole Civil Rights Movement. I was scolded for
>"bringing all that up again" by someone who actually offered excuses..."Maybe
>he was big for his age"..."Didn't he flirt with a white woman?"....etc., etc,
>etc. Nobody said anything.
>
>Not exactly a welcoming climate for people of color.
>
>Vickie...<opens can> Worms! Get your fresh worms here!
>
>>Simply didn't see the post Vickie .I might not have replied but again, simply
through lack of time .
Of course no right- thinking person could make excuses for this horror .
Can I just add that I think , like a lot of others , you are imagining us all
reading and following everything that goes on in the group .
I think lots like me only have time to dib in here and there ,or are often
absent for short periods . I would love to hear more about your civil rights
activities .:-)Maeve
BTW I am interested to know who scolded you for your post ,could be very
enlightening !
RLloyd8949
me a racist! Help me Jaasus
>That's certainly not the way I see Richard.
>kelly
wild ain't it. No wonder the world in trouble with far right politics.
Bobbie
Bobbie:-)
Kelly Petit
"Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
to react-;)
Just as well as if "my" ugly jeopardized your safety, you'd be entitled to
do the same.
Kelly
Kelly Petit
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kelly
Kelly Petit
"Yoj" <jgay...@att.net> wrote in message
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I have MLK's speech on a cassette, he was a tremendous speecher. I usually
study this part of his speech with my students and when they also view the
cassette, they're really taken in by what they hear and the way it's said.
Kelly
Dimple Cubb-Baggins
:
: "Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
I think people miss the point when it comes to discussing "ugly"
It is very hard to be totally objective. Very few people know enough
to look at both sides of an issue without bias.
I know what it's like to live in my country and ,try as I might .I
can not really know exactly what it's like to live in some other
country.
One can not be an idealist and a realist at the same time.
We know what the ideal solution should be....but reality dictates that
we deal with what we have to work with at the moment. Self
preservation is a strong motivator for countries as well as people.
Hugs.
LB
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
>One can not be an idealist and a realist at the same time.
I like that, LB...I may nick it, but I'll give you credit. <g>
Vickie...who likes "deep sayin's"
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
Good for you! I think it's wonderful that a family was involved.
Vickie
Vickie
Thank you, but you would have done the same.
>I read about Goodman, Chaney and Schwerner in the papers and then I have the
>film that was shot about this tragic incident : Mississippi Burning with
>Gene Hackman. A very good movie.
>Kelly
Excellent movie!
V
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
[..]
>I couldn't snip a word of your riveting description, Vickie. I have, and
>had, the greatest admiration for the peaceful civil rights demonstrators.
Thank you, Joy. I went on to join AIM (American Indian Movement) in Calif. in
late 60s.
> I remember hearing MLK's "I have a dream" speech, and wishing I could be
there
>with him.
He once said, "We all came over here on different boats, but we're in the same
boat now." I like that.
However, I was in California and had two young children. I'm
>sure there was discrimination here too, but it was more subtle and personal.
>AFAIK there was never a time in California where there were laws about who
>could sit where on a bus or eat at a restaurant. Of course, there were ways
>of making people feel unwelcome, and I'm sure a lot of that went on that I
>didn't know about.
I don't remember too much of a fuss in Calif. either.
I agree that TV probably played a big part in getting us
>as far as we have come with civil rights. I guess the media are good for
>something, at least part of the time, in spite of the fact that they often
>seem to aggravate problems.
>
>Joy
I am trying to get a copy of "Media Unlimited, The Torrent of Sounds and Images
in Modern Life", by Todd Gitlin. I saw him interviewed on MSNBC and he faulted
the media for not keeping on top of terrorist activity since the first bombing
of The World Trade Center. He said they were too busy with the Monica Soap
Opera, when they should have been warning us more about OBL.
Vickie
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
>Vickie I have such great admiration for you......
>Bobbie:-)
Thanks Bobbie old bean <g>, but you would have been right beside me if it had
been your country. I know a scrapper (fighter) when I see one. ;-)
V
Dennis
Respectfully: There are times when, in the midst of a very unpleasant reality,
it is the keeping to ones ideals that separates one from lower forms. It may
also be that the keeping to ones ideals is the salvation of sanity. It's just
that it's often difficult to reconcile reality with ideals. WE...those of us
this age and older are the proof that we CAN and ARE both idealists and
realists.
Peace, Dennis, et al
Wolfie
Imagine my surprise when I found out you're a dance hall girl and black-jack
dealer. Where DO you get those cute little cowgirl outfits?
Peace, Wolfie
Vickie
>Date: 3/26/02
[..]
I am sick of hearing Black People condeming this generation
>for slavery, that Black People instigated.
By this, do you mean that one African tribe would capture an enemy tribe and
sell them to the white slave traders?
Yes, I read where that happened; just as one Amer.Indian tribe helped the US
Cavalry track down and massacre a rival tribe.
But I don't think they instigated it...I think the white men had the idea
first.
Man--be he white, black or red--ain't a noble animal sometimes.
Respectfully,
Vickie
Leche R Us
It was me! It was me! I've been VERY bad and I should be spanked! Ahenh henh
henh
Leeringly, Leche R. Us
Jean B.
can see that on one hand, this was sort-of a natural progression
because of your friend, but it also took courage because you could see
what might happen to you if you stood up.
This reminds me of a little irony in my life. My parents always
talked the talk about black people, but they did not appreciate it at
all when I was dating a black man. I was very surprised to find out
how hypocritical they were. I think my grandparents were even more
appalled, but they all eventually saw the light (or maybe learned to
cover up better).
Jean B.
Vickie wrote:
>
> Yes, I now realize that not all people see all posts--it happens to me--but I
> was a newbie back then.
>
> >And I'd still like to hear about your experiences in the Movement...
>
> civil rights workers, Goodman, Chaney and Schwerner in 1964.
>
> Vickie
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
Huh?
<G> Just kidding.
I guess both should have a place...the idealism is an inspiring dream for the
future and the realism is a hard cold review of the past. We need to maintain
our idealism in order to keep hope alive...and we need to be realistic in order
to *stay* alive.
Vickie...a high lower form
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
LOL!
Save yer breath tick butt, you'll need it to blow up yer date.
Lovingly,
Obi Quiet
Dimple Cubb-Baggins
<BG>
Hugs.
LB
"Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
: >From: "Dimple Cubb-Baggins" ms...@ix.netcom.com
Dimple Cubb-Baggins
iffin' I had as many folks livin' in my hat as you do I could be both
too.
I never said that one had to give up their Ideals in order to be a
realist.
Sometimes one has to be realistic about certain situations, you just
have to do the best you can with what you have to work with.
Hugs.
LB
"Dennis" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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: In article <20020327162722...@mb-bg.aol.com>, Vickie
:
Vickie
>Date: 3/27/02
>You were (and I think probably still are) very courageous, Vickie. I
>can see that on one hand, this was sort-of a natural progression
>because of your friend, but it also took courage because you could see
>what might happen to you if you stood up.
>
>This reminds me of a little irony in my life. My parents always
>talked the talk about black people, but they did not appreciate it at
>all when I was dating a black man. I was very surprised to find out
>how hypocritical they were. I think my grandparents were even more
>appalled, but they all eventually saw the light (or maybe learned to
>cover up better).
>
>Jean B.
Thanks Jean...and you were courageous in another way. It might be easier to
face the wrath of strangers.
Vickie
Yoj
The big problem with the media is the same as the problem with our
government - or any government. It is made up of people. ;-) There are
times when I think they fall down on the job. There are a lot of times when
I think they tell us more than we need to know, at the cost of other
people's privacy. However, they do inform us about things we would never
know otherwise, and we do need to know many of those things.
Joy
Kelly Petit
"Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
There's a lot of energy in that bean!!
kelly
Kelly Petit
I find it difficult to know where the frontier is. What is idealism for one
may be considered as something else by others.
I guess it's easier to be an idealist when one lives in the country. I have
a lot of friends in Norway whom I consider as idealists, but if they'd lived
in Paris or another big city for some years, it might change their views.
kelly
Kelly Petit
"Vickie" <vbfr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
kelly
Kelly Petit
"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3CA24F10...@rcn.com...
> You were (and I think probably still are) very courageous, Vickie. I
> can see that on one hand, this was sort-of a natural progression
> because of your friend, but it also took courage because you could see
> what might happen to you if you stood up.
>
> This reminds me of a little irony in my life. My parents always
> talked the talk about black people, but they did not appreciate it at
> all when I was dating a black man. I was very surprised to find out
> how hypocritical they were. I think my grandparents were even more
> appalled, but they all eventually saw the light (or maybe learned to
> cover up better).
>
> Jean B.
>
It's easy to have opinions as long as we're not personally touched .
Kelly
Yoj
And some people go a bit further and become cynics. I was saddened recently
when I told my mother, and later my daughter, about my fall outside a
convenience store. The clerk saw me fall, and rushed out to help me up and
make sure I was all right. (I was, except for a couple of very sore knees.)
I thought it was nice of him. Both my mother and my daughter reacted the
same way, "He was probably afraid you'd sue him." I really think that's
sad.
Joy
Kelly Petit
"Yoj" <jgay...@att.net>
>
> And some people go a bit further and become cynics. I was saddened
recently
> when I told my mother, and later my daughter, about my fall outside a
> convenience store. The clerk saw me fall, and rushed out to help me up
and
> make sure I was all right. (I was, except for a couple of very sore
knees.)
> I thought it was nice of him. Both my mother and my daughter reacted the
> same way, "He was probably afraid you'd sue him." I really think that's
> sad.
>
> Joy
>
Kelly
Don Erker
I would imagine there are a lot of lurkers out there. I'm almost sure we've
had people of color join this Group and Post for a while also. Then, for no
reason I could see, they just left and maybe went back into "lurk" mode.
Don (Prone)
Smudge <smu...@thingamabobs.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Precisely!......
> B;-)
>
>
> "Kelly Petit" <kelly...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:a7q00d$n4udg$1...@ID-4716.news.dfncis.de...
> > Who knows who's lurking?
> > Kelly-:)
> >
> > "Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> wrote in message
> > news:a7pmtl$nbn0m$1...@ID-101020.news.dfncis.de...
> > > I sat up all night on Sunday to watch the Oscars, it was the first
> time in
> > > my 52 years that I have been in a place where it was shown live on
> the tv
> > > where I live. It was live on the BBC and I can get that here in
> Holland,
> > or
> > > to put it another way, the old gag,
> > > "Why does a dog lick its own testicles, cos it can".
> > > Anyway after all the thing about, must be PC here, remember nearly
> getting
> > > my head bitten off when I talked about cowboys and indians, a game
> we
> > played
> > > as kids, so to be PC all the thing about African Americans,
> (stupid cos
> > > Poitier was born and bred till his 22nd year in the West Indies)
> anyway, I
> > > have been thinking how nice it would be if we had one, just one
> African
> > > American, or West Indian Brit, on this group. I know we have some
> Native
> > > American Indians, and some aussies that have great respect for,
> cant
> > > remember the PC so I will just say the aboriginies. I live in a
> city with
> > 60
> > > different nationalities. If only one of those would join. And I
> know Loes
> > > lives in a more cultural diverse city, Amsterdam. A town I like to
> visit
> > for
> > > a night out, just becouse of that. I only been to the states once,
> many
> > > years ago, went to the big Apple, what a great city, so
> multicultural. Why
> > > dont we have somebody from The Bronx, or the other side of LA on
> this
> > group.
> > > There are at least a million British Indians, all with a computer,
> why
> > aint
> > > they talking to Richard about using the words "rag head".
> > > In all honesty, I sometimes wonder if we even have a real split of
> the
> > white
> > > comunity in the world. But I wont dwell on that, we have, and I
> enjoy, a
> > > wonderful group of individuals. Yet I still wonder what I am doing
> wrong
> > to
> > > keep all these other good people away from our group. Notice I use
> the
> > word
> > > I, cos I must be doing something elitist, to keep em away. And it
> saddens
> > > me.
> > > Just a comment.
> > > Graham
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Bobbie
all ethnic backgrounds to join our ranks. Always very interesting and
informative to hear other views and learn how the rest of the world
live.....I for one would welcome them with open arms, as I know you
would Don.
Perhaps we are not very inviting.
Bobbie:-)
"Don Erker" <d.e...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Graham
from Jonathen, sadly in the thread where Arch (hopefuly for a short while)
takes his leave of us. If you have not read these posts, about his culture
and relationship to the group, I recommend you do.
With respect
Graham
"Bobbie" <smu...@thingamabobs.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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Dimple Cubb-Baggins
:
: I would imagine there are a lot of lurkers out there. I'm almost
sure we've
: had people of color join this Group and Post for a while also.
Then, for no
: reason I could see, they just left and maybe went back into "lurk"
mode.
:
: Don (Prone)
Don,
Oh there is plenty of reason for "people of color" not to join the
news group.
How about folks posting in what they think is the black vernacular?
How about folks using derogatory names for a race of people other than
their own?
Doing these things, while claiming that one is not racist, is a very
subtle way of insuring that "people of color" will not be comfortable
in this news group.
What I find sad is that many people think it's funny and harmless.
I'm sure you have heard the term; "One bad apple spoils the whole
barrel."
Hugs.
Jean B.
>
> Don,
> Oh there is plenty of reason for "people of color" not to join the
> news group.
How do we know whether anyone on the group is black, white, Asian,
pink, purple, etc. unless they either have a picture in the gallery
(which I STILL don't) or announce what they are? And why would someone
announce their race, unless, perhaps, he or she is taking umbrage at
something that is being said? This, to me, would be about like coming
in here an announcing one's sexual preference.
Jean B.
Bobbie
Jonathan.....
Bobbie:-)
"Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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Yoj
educational and fun. A larger base of backgrounds would be even more so.
--
Joy
Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.
"Bobbie" <smu...@thingamabobs.co.uk> wrote in message
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Yoj
As a matter of fact, one woman did post here, announcing that she was a
lesbian. Several people welcomed her, but she didn't stick around.
Joy
Graham
was a then 51 year old bachelor, everything was ok. Until I posted a very
unpopular thread, then all of a sudden I got some mails calling me, well I
will keep it clean......gay. You may or not remember that I then posted a
long mail stating that if I were gay, I would have no problem in saying so.
I explained that I live in a liberal land where gay bashing is not a hobby.
I explained that I am not, which as it happens I am not. As it goes if I
were, in fact I was very much tempted at the time to pretend I was just to
test the water. But at the time I was starting to make friends with some
people I was starting to love and like (Toddy, BB and Bobbie) to mention
just a few, I decided that to be honest was the best. I made the right
choice, but I still have questions.
Graham
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Dimple Cubb-Baggins
That's my point Jean.....We don't know who we discourage from joining
our group. One shouldn't use the "N" word or "raghead"or "wop"or any
other word of that caliber simply because it is rude to do so.
No one should have to come into the news group and announce their
race, religion or sexual preference to avoid getting their feelings
hurt.
I often wonder how many people lurked and decided not to join.
Hug.
LB
Jane
Just a second, here.
None of my ancestors ever had any money, either, Robert, certainly not
enough to have owned slaves, so I should be safe enough, here.
And now that I think about it, the reason we are in Canada now is
that, about 220 years ago, my ancestors had to leave their homes. Some
of them had their farms confiscated, others were harrassed into
leaving, usually with very little more than the clothes on their
backs. Their houses, tools and crops were left behind.
And all because they didn't agree with their neighbours about that
little difference of opinion you Americans had with Britain. I believe
you call it "The Revolutionary War" or something.
Who do I see about getting compensation for that?
If
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:05:40 GMT, "Robert W. McKibben"
<wes...@flash.net> wrote:
>Welp, Vickie, I guess while skimming the hundreds of posts that show up
>here after I have gone to bed at 11pm, I missed your post. I grew up
>barely hearing anything about my great grandmother because she was a
>full blood Chiricahua Indian that told the Government to take their
>"offerings' of 20 acres of land and the other things trying to placate
>the Indian and "stick em where the sun didn't shine".( Bless her heart,
>she probably gave up some good oil producing land, yet she belived in
>Principles). I am sick of hearing Black People condeming this generation
>for slavery, that Black People instigated. I never owned any slaves,
>none of my ancestors were affluent enough to own a slave, therefore I
>don't owe em a damn thing. If I want to get myself into a hissy, I can
>get ballistic about how the American Indian was continually screwed by
>the white man and his lies.
>I welcome any race to participate in this group as long as they keep
>their "entitlement views" to themselves.
>Respectfully,
>Robert
>
>
>
>Vickie wrote:
>>
>> When I first joined this group and spoke of my experiences as a Civil Rights
>> activist, nobody said much; that was okay with me, I was only trying to let
>> people get to know me. Once we were talking about the Billie Holiday song,
>> "Strange Fruit", and what it meant--lynching. I made the comment that the 1955
>> brutal torture and murder of 14 yr. old Emmett Till in Mississippi was the
>> "lynching" that set off the whole Civil Rights Movement. I was scolded for
>> "bringing all that up again" by someone who actually offered excuses..."Maybe
>> he was big for his age"..."Didn't he flirt with a white woman?"....etc., etc,
>> etc. Nobody said anything.
>>
>> Not exactly a welcoming climate for people of color.
>>
>> Vickie...<opens can> Worms! Get your fresh worms here!
>>
>> >From: Sue butt...@ewol.com
>> >Date: 3/26/02
>> >I think BJ had an African American wanting to come on the group, but she
>> >shied away because of some of the talk. Could be wrong on that one. BJ??
>> >Sue
>> >
>> >
>> >Smudge wrote:
>> >
>> >> Precisely!......
>> >> B;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Kelly Petit" <kelly...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >>>Who knows who's lurking?
>> >>>Kelly-:)
>> >>>
>> >>>"Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>> >>>
RLloyd8949
>little difference of opinion you Americans had with Britain. I believe
>you call it "The Revolutionary War" or something.
>
>Who do I see about getting compensation for that?
>
>If
aaah....aaah....you might start wif the bureau of inian affairs.
Vickie
>Date: 3/26/02
>Have you observed, as a civil rights activist, after black leadership reached
>middle class status, they more or less abandoned
>the cause.
I think it was more that it splintered off into too many other factions; and
they started arguing about methods, etc...like the Black Panthers sneered at
non-violence; they said, "All Whitey understands is a gun!"
Then, too, when Martin Luther King was assassinated the movement was dealt a
sickening blow...from which I don't think it really recovered; not to the
fervor felt before. They soldiered on, but the heart was gone.
By that time I was active in AIM, in Calif.
Vickie
Jean B.
I agree with you. and I find such terms offensive. I think that
sometimes in literature, they might be used legitimately, perhaps to
portray the way things were in some period of time, etc., but
otherwise?
Jean B.
Don Erker
I agree, it would be most interesting. I have a true story to tell and it
happened to me. My first duty station out of Boot Camp was to go to Airman
Prep School in Norman, Oklahoma. It is a training school for sailors going
into Naval Air. You get to do neat things like jump into a swimming pool
which has oil burning on top of the water, and jumping out of a high tower
with a parachute harness. Any way I wanted to go from Chicago to Oklahoma
by airplane. So I did. We had to make one stop in Wichita, Kansas and then
on to Will Rogers Field in Oklahoma. It was very hot and I was thirsty so I
went over to this water cooler and saw a sign above it saying "Colored
Only". I thought they meant the water was colored and thought it was unique
because we didn't have a choice up North where I came from. So I started to
drink and I felt a tap on my shoulder. I looked up and there was this White
guy and he asked me where I was from. I told him I didn't think it was his
business but I was from the North. He then explained that the "Colored
Only" sign meant it was for colored people only and that I should be using
the "White's Only" water fountain. I thanked him profusely for the
silliness of my ways and then proceeded to walk into the "Colored Only"
restroom:-))
Don (Prone)
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Yoj
something like that.
--
Joy
Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.
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kelly
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