Here's a Latino immigrant story that could happen everyday were it not for the selfish white right wing
Ricardo
Growing business brings couple full circle
They buy Mount Airy plant where they once worked
By Sherry Youngquist
JOURNAL REPORTER
Alicia Torres and her husband, Gabriel, own Eagle Carports Inc. in
Mount Airy.
(Journal Photo by Lauren Carroll)
MOUNT AIRY - Alicia and Gabriel Torres moved to Mount Airy from a
small town near San Luis Potosi, Mexico, in 1986. They were looking
for work in the tobacco fields.
They spoke no English, and by 1988 had found jobs at Spencer's Inc.
Infants and Children's Wear, where they worked for nine years making
baby blankets. They deposited money into a savings account, only
spending enough for food, rent and other basic needs.
The couple were making enough to get by, Alicia Torres said, but
wanted more for their growing family. They eventually would have four
children, and wanted a house and a better car, she said.
So, in 1997, Gabriel Torres quit Spencer's to buy his own business.
With the $10,000 they had saved, he bought a carport business from a
man in Mount Airy and hired one helper.
He and his helper did everything - sales, manufacturing and
installation. A few months later, Alicia also quit Spencer's. They
called the business Eagle Carports Inc. and put nearly all the profits
back into the business to make it grow, hiring more people and
expanding into different states.
Slowly, the tiny business they ran out of a mobile home in Mount Airy
began to take off.
"I think when he started working, he never stopped working," Alicia
Torres said of her husband. "Even though sometimes he would have a
little bit of problems, he never stopped. We went forward. That has to
do with success. You will never say no. You just go forward."
Last month, the Torreses did something they never dreamed they would.
They bought the baby-blue, brick Spencer's building just off U.S. 52
where they had both worked and saved. They have plans to open their
eighth manufacturing plant next year inside the empty textile plant.
According to the tax stamp on the deed, they paid $700,000 for the
property.
Spencer's pulled out of Mount Airy last spring as four other textile
plants were also closing. Altogether, 1,000 people were left without a
job. Spencer's was a homegrown business begun in the 1940s and once
was the largest employer in town, with as many as 1,000 employees. But
in 2006, it began to sell its inventory, and this year, it quit making
infants and children's clothes all together.
"Most of the folks here are real happy to see something going into
this vacant, empty building," Mayor Jack Loftis said.
For the Torreses, it's a dream come true.
"I asked my husband, 'When we were working so hard and making a little
bit of money just to live, did you ever think you would be the owners
of this building?SSRq" Alicia Torres said. "I never thought we would....
It's a good feeling."
They eventually moved the business from Mount Airy across the state
line to Cana, Va., off a busy stretch of U.S. 52. There was already a
single-wide mobile home on the property, which they bought from
another carport dealer, Torres said.
Five years ago, the couple became U.S. citizens.
About three years ago, they built a two-floor office building in Cana.
Though the couple had started with the money they had saved and then
used profits to expand, this time they borrowed money from a bank,
Torres said. They have also borrowed money to expand to other states.
Today, Eagle Carports is a multimillion-dollar business with six other
manufacturing plants in California, New Mexico, Texas, Georgia,
Tennessee and Pennsylvania.
The company expects to make an initial investment of $300,000 to
$500,000 in the 132,000-square-foot Spencer's building as it adds
equipment and make improvements.
Eagle Carports is headquartered in the office building in Cana, where
about 50 employees work in the office and in manufacturing. The
largest facility is in Nacogdoches, Texas, where 20 people work making
the roofing, framing and other parts for the carports. There are five
other plants in California, New Mexico, Georgia, Tennessee and
Pennsylvania.
The company employs a total of about 800 workers and sells through
dealerships in 30 states.
Across North Carolina and the nation, small businesses such as Eagle
Carports is where growth is at, economists say.
"Small businesses are often where new innovations and new services are
developed," said Michael Walden, an economics professor at N.C. State
University. "Simply put, big businesses start out as small businesses.
Small businesses are also easier to start, so they provide a gateway
for fresh entrepreneurs."
And historically, small businesses have been vital for immigrants as a
way to move up the economic ladder, Walden said.
Alicia Torres says that the growth comes from perseverance.
"We were always hard-working people. We weren't afraid to work," she
said. "We are grateful to this country. This country has given us more
than we could dream about."
Neither has any formal education. Alicia Torres, 38, finished middle
school in Mexico. Gabriel Torres, 45, completed six years of
elementary school before going to work for his father manufacturing
plastic grocery bags.
Gabriel Torres was in his early 20s when he decided to go north to the
United States. An older brother, Benny, had come to Mount Airy and had
told him about the small town and that it was a good place to live and
work.
Later, Gabriel Torres went back to Mexico and made a return trip to
Mount Airy with his wife.
They began working at Spencer's about the same time as Benny Torres
did.
Benny Torres was the first to get into the carport business. Benny
bought several carport dealerships about a month before Gabriel and
Alicia, from the same man.
Benny Torres' company, TNT Carports, is also thriving with several
plants in other states, as well as dealerships throughout the United
States.
Alicia Torres calls it a friendly competition.
Recently, Gabriel and Alicia Torres have created a spinoff company
called USA Steel Buildings, which makes the same carports and storage
buildings but will be owned by their 21-year-old son, who is still in
college. USA Steel Buildings has manufacturing and sales in Florida,
Georgia, California and Arkansas.
They have three other children: a 15-year-old boy who is in high
school, a 9-year-old girl who is in elementary school and an 8-month-
old boy.
The Torreses' carports and buildings range in price from $695 for a 18-
by-21-foot carport to as much as $50,000 for a 40-by-100-foot storage
building.
A few years ago, Eagle Carports sold and installed a storage building
at an airport in Connecticut. They also sold a 12-by-26-foot building
that was installed at President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.
"I remember that order because we saw the name on the ranch," Alicia
Torres said. "It was for his bodyguards, for one vehicle."
The company manufactures the pieces for each carport or building at
its plants, and then puts it together on location.
The expansion into the old Spencer's building is still being
discussed. The family knows that there will be manufacturing but is
still deciding whether its offices will also be moved there.
Eagle Carports will hire workers for its new plant in Mount Airy, but
it's not clear yet how many, said Tim Gammons, the company's general
manager.
Gammons smiles when he tells the story of how he also used to work at
Spencer's. He was with the company about 25 years, he said. He left
five years ago to work at Eagle Carports.
"I used to be Gabriel's boss," Gammons said. "He used to work for me.
Now, I work for him."
Dink
>
>MOUNT AIRY - Alicia and Gabriel Torres moved to Mount Airy from a
>small town near San Luis Potosi, Mexico, in 1986. They were looking
>for work in the tobacco fields.
Doesn't say whether they immigrated legally or illegally.
If they came legally, God bless and congratulations on their success.
--
Dink
N 30.21, W 97.81 http://snipurl.com/whereiam
<br>http://snipurl.com/austinweatherpixie
Ricardo
Cry your eyes out, Dink. What has made The US great, you dislike.
Normandy
"Ricardo" <rll...@triad.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1194166113....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
What is there to cry about. The question is were they legal or illegal
immigrants?
>
Ricardo
> "Ricardo" <rllo...@triad.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1194166113.974332.65...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
NO...... that's not the REAL question. Historically most all first
generation immigrants were not documented in the US.
The right wing white racist use the word "illegal" to promote their
real agenda of racisim (or specically their fear some red indian
decendent will mitigate their power). It's baseless but its their
fear.
Normandy
"Ricardo" <rll...@triad.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1194170101....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
.
Did Mr & Mrs Gabriel Torres apply for and receive permission to enter, live
and work in the US before entering? Your history sucks it is only tailored
to represent your distorted political agenda
Normandy
"Ricardo" <rll...@triad.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1194170101....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1302.html says you are wrong about the
immigration patterns. It says that before 2000 the vast majority were legal
immigrants. Like the budget you will not bother to read this site you will
go on with your racist nonsense
Jim Chandler
That's a very nice story, Richard. What you failed to even note was the
fact that they were LEGAL immigrants, not a couple of lwbreakers who
broke into the country. That is not such an unusual story when you look
at the LEGAL immigrants into the country. What you can't seem to fathom
is the fact that those who come here ILLEGALLY are CRIMINALS, not worthy
of doing well. Get real, jerk.
Jim
Jim Chandler
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:09:53 -0700, Ricardo <rll...@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>MOUNT AIRY - Alicia and Gabriel Torres moved to Mount Airy from a
>>small town near San Luis Potosi, Mexico, in 1986. They were looking
>>for work in the tobacco fields.
>
>
> Doesn't say whether they immigrated legally or illegally.
> If they came legally, God bless and congratulations on their success.
It says thay became citizens five years ago, Dink. That means they were
probasbly here legally, something Richard failed to mention.
Jim
Jim Chandler
He didn't say he disliked it, you moron. What he, I, and most other
citizens, except the pathetic jerks like you, dislike are those who
violate our laws and then expect to be given the rights and priviledges
of legal residents and citizens. It is too bad that you can't see the
difference. This country was not made great by those who violate the law
and sneak in like common thieves. It was made great by those who chose
to come here legally and do things the right way, a concept that you and
your liberal buddies can't seem to grasp.
Jim
Jim Chandler
Historically, you are absolutely WRONG, as usual. The fact that your
criminal buddies choose to sneak into the country has nothing to do with
right wing, racist, or white, as you so persistently whine. It has to
do with right and wrong, which you can't seem to differentiate. After
the country's immigration system was set up those who chose to come into
the country without going through the proper process became criminals.
Try doing that (please!) down in Mexico and see what happens. Their
immigration laws are far stricter than ours will ever be and they aren't
right wing, white OR racist. You are not telling the truth, as usual,
probably since you don't know the truth.
Jim
Ricardo
>
> >>MOUNT AIRY - Alicia and Gabriel Torres moved to Mount Airy from a
> >>small town near San Luis Potosi, Mexico, in 1986. They were looking
> >>for work in the tobacco fields.
>
> > Doesn't say whether they immigrated legally or illegally.
> > If they came legally, God bless and congratulations on their success.
>
> It says thay became citizens five years ago, Dink. That means they were
> probasbly here legally, something Richard failed to mention.
>
> Jim
"probably"...i like your reasoning when straining to make your case.
Ricardo
>
> - Show quoted text -
"probably" makes me think you in denial of your sins.
Normandy
"Ricardo" <rll...@triad.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1194205736.6...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Was the man legal or not
>
Ricardo
> "Ricardo" <rllo...@triad.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1194205736.668852.182...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
BEATS ME! They believed and and made it work in US, not China. Just
proves what fresh immigrant faces can do. We need 'em badly. I see
what they do everyday, what they capable of. Yall want to call 'em
names, threaten...that kind of thing. BE ASHAMED. JESUS WOULD THROW
YOU OUT THE TEMPLE!
JD Cooper
Ricardo wrote:
<bullshit nothing but posted a story from somebody else>
aw... that ain't nothing.
Just this morning I walked down my 1/4 mile driveway to get the Sunday
paper. Lilly followed, as usual. Just as I was retrieving the paper from
the box I looked up to see some goddam taco with license plates from
Nuevo Leon ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM down my road and run over and killed Lilly
outright. There were two or three cop cars chasing the fucking taco
criminal at equal speed. I am sure the fucking taco is being treated
with kid glove care by now. god knows the fucking mexicans only want a
better life selling their fucking drugs.
Lilly now occupies a hole in the back yard.
JD
Marsha
"JD Cooper" <giveme...@yougottabekidding.biz> wrote in message
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**Dalin**
Oh JD! She was such a beautiful little dog. I am so sorry. My heart
aches for her and you. I have tears in my eyes. I'm glad her last
days were filled with love and a full stomach. At least you gave her
that. She knew she was loved and wanted.
Our governor wants to give illegals driver's licenses. Everyone in
the whole state - except the businesses who need them - are up in arms
about it. NYS law says you have to have a valid SS#, but you know how
hard it is to find out if they are valid or not.
Poor little baby, only six months old. :-(
Dalin
Marsha
had our fall festival the last 2 days and we had family in and out both
days. This story with JD broke my heart
"**Dalin**" <lj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:4741499b...@130.133.1.4...
**Dalin**
had with your family. Lilly is playing just over the Rainbow Bridge.
I figure she either knows nothing, like sleeping, or she is in a
better world. Either way she is ok. My heart breaks for JD.
We just have to keep writing our congress critters to get that wall
built!
Dalin
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:17:10 -0500, "Marsha" <mhuc...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Marsha
special with all the ones that come his waynews:474353df...@130.133.1.4...
Bastard Toadflax
JD Cooper wrote:
I'm assuming "Taco" means Mexican or Hispanic. Just curious, but as you
say, he was traveling at a high rate of speed while being chased by LE.
How were you able to discern his racial background or nationality and
immigration status, if you don't mind me asking? Are there local news
reports? Anyway, sorry for your loss. To lose a pet is bad, to have one
essentially murdered is horrendous....
BT
Marsha
strayed dogs left in his yard constantly and usually keep them. He just had
one dropped in last week.
"Bastard Toadflax" <bastard_...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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NormaK
"JD Cooper" <giveme...@yougottabekidding.biz> wrote in message
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>
>
What a horrible thing, so sorry...
NormaK
Toddy
((((((JD)))))) I am so sorry. What a terrible shock for you.
Toddy
"JD Cooper" <giveme...@yougottabekidding.biz> wrote in message
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>
>
Jim Chandler
Nobody"s straining to make any case, except you, you pathetic excuse for
an American. The fact that they were immigrants of the legal variety
just makes my point that immigrants are hard working people. I have no
question about that. The question arises from your persistent yammering
about all immigrants, legal and otherwise, being hardworking. That has
absolutely NOTHING to do with anything. The question is whether they
chose to do things legally or to violate our laws and demonstrate their
contempt for this country by their actions. Of course, a bleeding heart
liberal dummy like you can't get a grip on the facts.
Jim
Jim Chandler
What in the fuck are you talking about? Or do you even have a clue? I
doubt it. It's not MY sins that I'm concerned about, rather the sins of
those who would violate our sovereignty for their own gain, completely
ignoring the rights of the citizens who are already here. You are a
pathetic American, Richard. You want to be something that you are not
so badly that you refuse to recognize the truth, even when presented by
several different people. Why don't you move to Mexico, since you think
the Mexican people are so great? I'd be glad to help you sneak across
the border, and I'd even write to you in their prison.
Jim
Jim Chandler
I am very sorry to hear that, JD. She was a very cute dog and I'm sure
that it hurt you tremendously, regardless of who was driving the car.
Jim
faith
"JD Cooper" <giveme...@yougottabekidding.biz> wrote in message
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>
>
Jim Chandler
The fact that he said that the license plate on the car was from "Nuevo
Leon" should have given you a clue. Obviously not from this country,
since we don't have a state by that name. He did not mention their
immigration status. The only person driving a car from Mexico is most
likely going to be ....a MEXICAN! God! how stupid can you be?
Jim
Bastard Toadflax
Jim Chandler wrote:
Ever hear of car theft, car jacking, etc. But, I will not call you names.
BT
>
> Jim
JD Cooper
Bastard Toadflax wrote:
so far as I know, you've not yet stated where you live or what
familiarity you have with living near the border of mexico or the
associated problems. care to expound?
JD
Bastard Toadflax
JD Cooper wrote:
Well, as far as I know, neither have you. But I did tell where I live
in another thread. After my post, Marsha nicely told me you live in
Texas, a fact NOT in your post. Then someone called me a name and was
very insulting. I thought asking questions and encourage details was
what made a newsgroup interesting. Surely, you're not suggesting that I
shouldn't ask questions if I don't know all about a poster, are you.
Asking questions allows the original poster to explain or have further
discussion. Do you consider this a bad thing?
BT
faith
clue to the history of the group or the stories or the followings of people
and you jump on them?
I happen to know this person and have for a long time - almost ten years.
He is the kindest, funniest person on the internet. He loves the wilderness
with his hobby being hiking. He can name every plant in the forests and on
the trails - the scientific names - even birds - a great great person. His
father passed recently, and he cares for his mother. I have never seen him
be negative on the internet or even swear, and you haul off and hit him
between the eyes. I am so ashamed - what has happened to people?
What ever happened to the saying, "There is no stupid question?" All he did
was ask a question and you have to tell him how stupid he can be.
Sheesh!
FAITH
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Jim Chandler
Nobody called you any names, though you were certainly ripe for it. I
only pointed out that you were not too observant and not capable of
thought. Cars are usually not stolen in Mexico and brought to this
country. It's usually the other way around.
Jim
Jim Chandler
Had you been around the group for a while before you started spouting
off you would have known where JD lives and the problems that he has
experienced regarding illegals. Again, no one has called you names.
Also, those on this group, for the most part, don't hide behind fictious
names. Perhaps you would have been better off reading his post
carefully, reading some other posts, and learning a few things before
you spouted off about JD's ability to discern the nationality of the
driver of the car that killed his dog. JD has eyes and saw the driver
quite clearly. He also saw the license plate on the car. Perhaps you
would be better off in another group.
Jim
Jim Chandler
It would seem that this wonderful person of whom you are so proud
doesn't have the common sense to not jump on one of the long time
members without learning a bit about him first. What your friend posted
was insensitive and uncalled for. His remarks demonstrated a complete
lack of knowledge or understanding of the problems faced by those who
live near the border and have to deal with "Tacos" on a daily basis. I
thought I was actually being rather easy on him, given that I really
could have laid into him. Try telling your friend to get from behind
his fictious name, introduce himself for who he really is and apologize
to JD for his remarks.
Jim
Bastard Toadflax
faith wrote:
> Dang Jim............we get a new person in the group who doesn't have any
> clue to the history of the group or the stories or the followings of people
> and you jump on them?
> I happen to know this person and have for a long time - almost ten years.
> He is the kindest, funniest person on the internet. He loves the wilderness
> with his hobby being hiking. He can name every plant in the forests and on
> the trails - the scientific names - even birds - a great great person. His
> father passed recently, and he cares for his mother. I have never seen him
> be negative on the internet or even swear, and you haul off and hit him
> between the eyes. I am so ashamed - what has happened to people?
>
> What ever happened to the saying, "There is no stupid question?" All he did
> was ask a question and you have to tell him how stupid he can be.
Well, thanks. But I strongly suspect that if I do hang around, this
will just be seen as growing pains. I did kind of swoop in. I though
about posting an "I'm New" post, but ultimately just jumped in feet
first. Faith's mini-bio is mostly true, but I'm no saint. I do get
frustrated occasionally. I don't really bite, but my style might seem
sometimes confrontational when I'm just being me which is not to try and
take things too seriously, or, at the very least, see a humorous side.
And, I still believe that how or why are always good questions. How else
to learn and grow, or, God forbid, change your mind and conceptions, or
someone else's...
BT
Jim Chandler
Also, you might take another look at what I posted. The "stupid"
comment came only after I explained to him the facts of the case. He
didn't ask a question, as such, rather he questioned JD ability to
recognize a Mexican when he sees one. If he doesn't have a clue as to
the history, perhaps he should refrain from making such comments until
such time as he has learned more about our members. If you will notice,
I didn't call him stupid. I asked "how stupid can you be?" A question.
Jim
Bastard Toadflax
Jim Chandler wrote:
Calling someone "Stupid" is not name-calling in your book. Really?
though you were certainly ripe for it. I
> only pointed out that you were not too observant and not capable of
> thought.
Boy, you've got me pegged.
Cars are usually not stolen in Mexico and brought to this
> country.
Maybe the car was already here if stolen.
It's usually the other way around.
I have no statistics. Didn't even know what state was involved when I
merely asked a question(s).
BT
>
> Jim
Bastard Toadflax
Jim Chandler wrote:
I asked a simple question to get more information, the very thing you
are lambasting me for not having. You do see the irony of your position,
do you not? By the way, calling someone stupid, even in a inquisitory
manner, is still name calling. To pretend otherwise says more about you,
than I. I'm sure you're a fine fellow and responding to people who ask
questions with "How stupid can you be" is an anomaly.
BT
JD has eyes and saw the driver
> quite clearly. He also saw the license plate on the car. Perhaps you
> would be better off in another group.
I thought so, too. But you've convinced me to stay with your warm and
friendly banter. :)
BT
>
> Jim
faith
I didn't realize this was a closed door group, Jim. I guess you'd better
let all the other posters know that, and certainly let Toddy change the
title - as this isn't too friendly!
FAITH
Lonestar
> NO...... that's not the REAL question. Historically most all first
> generation immigrants were not documented in the US.
> The right wing white racist use the word "illegal" to promote their
> real agenda of racisim (or specically their fear some red indian
> decendent will mitigate their power). It's baseless but its their
> fear.
You've been spouting the word "stupid", I think it perfectly fits your post.
Robert
Bastard Toadflax
Jim Chandler wrote:
How do I know your name is Jim? I could post as Andrew Blevins. How
does that help you? I WILL NOT apologize for asking for details or
asking for illumination. That is how I learn and grow and will not be
stopping it anytime soon.
BT
>
> Jim
faith
Perhaps you should rethink this group also Jim - the group is called
friends - you sure can destroy those capabilities!
FAITH
Lonestar
>
>
> Ricardo wrote:
>
> <bullshit nothing but posted a story from somebody else>
>
> aw... that ain't nothing.
>
> Just this morning I walked down my 1/4 mile driveway to get the Sunday
> paper. Lilly followed, as usual. Just as I was retrieving the paper from
> the box I looked up to see some goddam taco with license plates from
> Nuevo Leon ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM down my road and run over and killed Lilly
> outright. There were two or three cop cars chasing the fucking taco
> criminal at equal speed. I am sure the fucking taco is being treated
> with kid glove care by now. god knows the fucking mexicans only want a
> better life selling their fucking drugs.
>
> Lilly now occupies a hole in the back yard.
>
> JD
That is terrible! Thank you for giving Lilly a few days of care and loving.
Robert
Bastard Toadflax
faith wrote:
Yeah. Imagine if he'd really "laid" into me, as he says. Normally, I
just ignore people who are bent on making everything a fight, but,
fortunately, or not, they are often interesting people otherwise....
I've yet to decide how to deal with the rudeness and hostility. But,
like I said, maybe he is otherwise a fine fellow, who could broaden my
horizons. There is a grumpy Park Ranger I know who is a font of outdoor
knowledge and facts. If I'd let his manner put me off, I'd know a lot
less as a result.
BT
>
>
faith
faith
"Bastard Toadflax" <bastard_...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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Bastard Toadflax
faith wrote:
> I am sorry Sam -
Well, I'll just adopt the same policy here as elsewhere. I'll post what
I want and just ignore negativity and in fighting and dominance ploys,
not the person.
BT
Jim Chandler
Very well, if you insist that I called you a name, consider it so! You
have not seen name calling yet. Your "question" was phrased in such a
manner as to intimate that you were in possession of knowledge beyond
that which you actually had and were insulting JD. If you were not,
then so be it. When I first joined this group, many years ago, I had
the good common sense to sit back and watch other posts before making
comments. If you wish to stay here, that's great. Just don't be too
thin skinned about what people say to you or you are likely to not be
happy. It can get rather viscious around here at times and if you are
the "sensitive" type, you won't like it.
Jim
Jim Chandler
Faith, you're starting to put words into other peoples posts. I did not
say that this was a closed group. If that's what you read, then might I
suggest remedial reading classes for you. How's that?
Jim
Jim Chandler
My name is Jim Chandler, as it says in ALL my headers. I don't hide
behind ficticious names. My information is out there for the world to
see because I am not ashamed of what I post. Try observing for a while
before you post, or at least, more carefully phrasing the way you post,
if you don't want to get jumped on.
Jim
Jim Chandler
That has been destroyed long ago, Faith.
Jim
Val Adams
>
>
> Ricardo wrote:
>
> <bullshit nothing but posted a story from somebody else>
>
> aw... that ain't nothing.
>
> Just this morning I walked down my 1/4 mile driveway to get the Sunday
> paper. Lilly followed, as usual. Just as I was retrieving the paper from
> the box I looked up to see some goddam taco with license plates from
> Nuevo Leon ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM down my road and run over and killed Lilly
> outright. There were two or three cop cars chasing the fucking taco
> criminal at equal speed. I am sure the fucking taco is being treated
> with kid glove care by now. god knows the fucking mexicans only want a
> better life selling their fucking drugs.
>
>
> JD
>
Sorry to hear this. you an old reprobate, but Lilly was a sweetie.
{{{{{{{{{{{{JD!}}}}}}}}}}}}
Toddy
It hasn't, Jim. Most of us are cyber friends here.
Toddy
Joy
No, it hasn't, although attitudes like yours have tried.
I still have many good friends here.
Joy
Ricardo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jim needs help, Faith but refuses to get it.
Ricardo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Quit on the excuses, Jim. You are an ugly, mean, white right wing name
caller and you know it. Tell the man uppfront anybody who doesn't
agree with you will recieve your ugly treatment. Quit lieing to tha
man. Besides, I LIKE BASTARD TOADFLAX as a name.
Ricardo
wrote:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's how I learn Bastard Toadflax. I ASK QUESTIONS. But asking
questions of white right wing racist who fear the world is against
them is like throwing gasolene on a fire.
Ricardo
wrote:
> faith wrote:
> > I am sorry Sam -
>
> Well, I'll just adopt the same policy here as elsewhere. I'll post what
> I want and just ignore negativity and in fighting and dominance ploys,
> not the person.
>
> BT
>
naw now you won't ignore it...LOL. You'll either stand up for your
convictions or go over in the corner and wish you could.
Nothing has changed since childhood :-)
>
>
> > faith
>
> > "Bastard Toadflax" <bastard_toadf...@windstream.net> wrote in message
> >>BT- Hide quoted text -
Gordon H
>
> Well, thanks. But I strongly suspect that if I do hang around,
>this will just be seen as growing pains. I did kind of swoop in. I
>though about posting an "I'm New" post, but ultimately just jumped in
>feet first. Faith's mini-bio is mostly true, but I'm no saint. I do get
>frustrated occasionally. I don't really bite, but my style might seem
>sometimes confrontational when I'm just being me which is not to try
>and take things too seriously, or, at the very least, see a humorous
>side. And, I still believe that how or why are always good questions.
>How else to learn and grow, or, God forbid, change your mind and
>conceptions, or someone else's...
>
passage in this group, Bastard. (May I call you Bastard)?
It's par for the course...
--
Gordon H
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Gordon H
>
> "JD Cooper" <giveme...@yougottabekidding.biz> wrote in message
>news:57mdnezeecIQ1bPa...@texas.net...
> >
> >
> > Ricardo wrote:
> >
> > <bullshit nothing but posted a story from somebody else>
> >
> > aw... that ain't nothing.
> >
> > Just this morning I walked down my 1/4 mile driveway to get the Sunday
> > paper. Lilly followed, as usual. Just as I was retrieving the paper from
> > the box I looked up to see some goddam taco with license plates from
> > Nuevo Leon ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM down my road and run over and killed Lilly
> > outright. There were two or three cop cars chasing the fucking taco
> > criminal at equal speed. I am sure the fucking taco is being treated
> > with kid glove care by now. god knows the fucking mexicans only want a
> > better life selling their fucking drugs.
> >
> >
> > JD
>
>
> NormaK
>
Yep, a real shame. There is a debate over here as to whether the
cops tactic of chasing stolen cars is justified, in view of the risk to
life and limb of innocent bystanders.
Folk have been killed due to cop car chases in the UK, and it just ain't
worth it, nor is it worth the life of a pet animal.
Sorry to hear about Lilly. :-(
Bobbie
Only just seeing this, thanks to Gordon. Sorry JD. such a sad end to a
life that was so full of promise when you gave her a home.
Poor Lilly.
Bobbie.
faith
totally uneducated suggests your idea of me.........maybe you also want to
include that I am a drunk, homeless and also a bum as I contributed to those
threads also lately.
Ummm...choices - remedial reading classes - online or at local college?
such a decision
FAITH
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
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faith
time, doing your best, doing what is right. Friends - that is how they are
made!!
FAITH
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
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faith
faith
"Toddy" <tod...@q-net.net.au> wrote in message
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faith
faith
"Ricardo" <rll...@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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Thank you Richard.
faith
Wolfie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jim, I come here because of my friends, including you. I accept the
opinions of my friends, even if I'm not in agreement. I wouldn't come
here for any other reason. We may differ on some points, but we can
still care about each other as human beings with thoughts and feelings
of our own. Friends.
Wolfie, et al
Jean B.
>
>
> Ricardo wrote:
>
> <bullshit nothing but posted a story from somebody else>
>
> aw... that ain't nothing.
>
> Just this morning I walked down my 1/4 mile driveway to get the Sunday
> paper. Lilly followed, as usual. Just as I was retrieving the paper from
> the box I looked up to see some goddam taco with license plates from
> Nuevo Leon ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM down my road and run over and killed Lilly
> outright. There were two or three cop cars chasing the fucking taco
> criminal at equal speed. I am sure the fucking taco is being treated
> with kid glove care by now. god knows the fucking mexicans only want a
> better life selling their fucking drugs.
>
>
> JD
>
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Dang Jim............we get a new person in the group who doesn't have any
> clue to the history of the group or the stories or the followings of people
> and you jump on them?
> I happen to know this person and have for a long time - almost ten years.
> He is the kindest, funniest person on the internet. He loves the wilderness
> with his hobby being hiking. He can name every plant in the forests and on
> the trails - the scientific names - even birds - a great great person. His
> father passed recently, and he cares for his mother. I have never seen him
> be negative on the internet or even swear, and you haul off and hit him
> between the eyes. I am so ashamed - what has happened to people?
>
> What ever happened to the saying, "There is no stupid question?" All he did
> was ask a question and you have to tell him how stupid he can be.
>
> Sheesh!
>
> FAITH
>
Ah. I discovered newsgroups while I was taking care of my
father. Caretaking can be very isolating. Another good
reason for BT to stick around.
--
Jean B.
Bastard Toadflax
Gordon H wrote:
If you like. My first name is Sam.
>
> It's par for the course...
I've kind of gathered that now. :)
BT
Bastard Toadflax
Ricardo wrote:
> On Nov 4, 10:43 pm, Bastard Toadflax <bastard_toadf...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
>>faith wrote:
>>
>>>I am sorry Sam -
>>
>> Well, I'll just adopt the same policy here as elsewhere. I'll post what
>>I want and just ignore negativity and in fighting and dominance ploys,
>>not the person.
>>
>>BT
>>
>
>
> naw now you won't ignore it...LOL. You'll either stand up for your
> convictions or go over in the corner and wish you could.
> Nothing has changed since childhood :-)
I see your point, if this were real life. But Usenet friendships and
good conversation is like real life, as it is affirming. But conflict
and anger is not. There is enough of that in real life, making it easy
to turn from here....
BT
Bastard Toadflax
Jean B. wrote:
I don't want to leave the wrong impression. I moved in with my Mom, but
she essentially takes care of herself. She is my Mother and my hiking
companion, still at 80. And, of course, most of my love and knowledge of
nature emanates from her.
BT
>
>
Jean B.
> I don't want to leave the wrong impression. I moved in with my Mom,
> but she essentially takes care of herself. She is my Mother and my
> hiking companion, still at 80. And, of course, most of my love and
> knowledge of nature emanates from her.
>
> BT
>
Wow! Good for her!!!! I can only hope I am hiking at 80!
--
Jean B.
JD Cooper
>
>
> JD Cooper wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bastard Toadflax wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
Sorry, I did not see the other post explaining where you live. As mostly
every regular here knows, I live close to the border of Mexico and have
some property even nearer to the border. While many people hundreds and
even thousands of miles away make flippant remarks about the mexican
invasion of our soil, we continue to have severe problems here with the
criminal element that runs in and out of mexico. Nobody seems to give a
damn about that. Also, please consider the enormous illegal alien
problems in the city of L.A. and surrounding cities.
The car being chased by the cops was from the state of Nuevo Leon,
country of Mexico. I live on a quiet country road that has a 40MPH limit
and it's generally not considered a road one would "accidentally"
travel. There is NO QUESTION whatsoever that the operator(s) of that
vehicle were of the criminal element otherwise they'd not have been
traveling at a high rate of speed trying to get away from the cops. In
fact, this has become very common and is at epidemic proportions now.
JD
Bastard Toadflax
Jean B. wrote:
Me, too. She still does yard work. The neighbor gave her a good sized
cedar topiary. I told her I would dig the hole the next day. I came home
from work and she already had it planted, watered and mulched...
BT
Bastard Toadflax
JD Cooper wrote:
Okay. Thanks. I live in Germanton, NC, USA. It is close to
Winston-Salem, a large city. I've worked in textiles all my life. In
May, they send my job to the Dominican Republic and shut down the
factory. I now work in a Distribution Facility.
BT
>
> JD
Wolfie
wrote:
> Ricardo wrote:
>
> <bullshit nothing but posted a story from somebody else>
>
> aw... that ain't nothing.
>
> Just this morning I walked down my 1/4 mile driveway to get the Sunday
> paper. Lilly followed, as usual. Just as I was retrieving the paper from
> the box I looked up to see some goddam taco with license plates from
> Nuevo Leon ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM down my road and run over and killed Lilly
> outright. There were two or three cop cars chasing the fucking taco
> criminal at equal speed. I am sure the fucking taco is being treated
> with kid glove care by now. god knows the fucking mexicans only want a
> better life selling their fucking drugs.
>
>
> JD
I had to just turn this damn thing off when I read this last night,
JD. I just sit here, shaking my head every time I reread it. You'd
prob'ly got in some kinda mess with the law if you'd shot the SOB,
too; wouldn't you? Violatin' his civil rights and shit.
Sorry about Lilly, mon.
Wolfie, et al
VickieB
>
> Lilly now occupies a hole in the back yard.
>
>
once with Whitey, a 'come-up' dog abandoned by our ranch. I had just gotten
some meat on his bones and the tangles out of his coat when he followed me
to the mailbox one morning...it was a local teacher who didn't see him dart
for a rabbit.
v
--
http://soonerbeblue.bloghi.com/
faith
"Anne Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message from "faith" <bna...@comcast.net> contains these words:
>
>> > Had you been around the group for a while before you started spouting
>> > off
>> > you would have known where JD lives and the problems that he has
>> > experienced regarding illegals. Again, no one has called you names.
>> > Also,
>> > those on this group, for the most part, don't hide behind fictious
>> > names.
>> > Perhaps you would have been better off reading his post carefully,
>> > reading
>> > some other posts, and learning a few things before you spouted off
>> > about
>> > JD's ability to discern the nationality of the driver of the car that
>> > killed his dog. JD has eyes and saw the driver quite clearly. He also
>> > saw the license plate on the car. Perhaps you would be better off in
>> > another group.
>> >
>> let all the other posters know that, and certainly let Toddy change the
>> title - as this isn't too friendly!
>>
>
>
> --
> AnneJ
Thanks AnneJ - I needed to hear that, It will help along with my remedial
reading glasses.
faith
VickieB
"Bastard Toadflax" <bastard_...@windstream.net> wrote...
>
>
> Ricardo wrote:
[..]
>> Nothing has changed since childhood :-)
>
> I see your point, if this were real life. But Usenet friendships and good
> conversation is like real life, as it is affirming. But conflict and anger
> is not. There is enough of that in real life, making it easy to turn from
> here....
>
> BT
>
yell and cuss at others in here so's they can feel like a big man.
I say man, because women rarely yell and name call.
v
--
http://soonerbeblue.bloghi.com/
DittyDu...@webtv.net
A carload, driven by youngish male Mexican came around a stopped school
bus and killed a little 7yo girl as she stepped out. .
After much debate it was decided to make them get driver's licenses
marked For Driving ONly, not ID On the theory they would have to learn
out driving laws and what the shape of the road signs meant.
Then more debate when it was discovered aliens from all over (N Y C
etc) were coming here to get driving licenses. Then a DL office clerk
died under very mysterious and suspicious circumstances, fiery car.
Further debate. I think now they stopped the DLs.
Since Ignorance of the law is no excuse, what difference does it make?
Illegals don't care about th law as evidenced by their illegal entry.
blake
Ricardo
> "Ricardo" <rllo...@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
ANYTIME! :-)
JD Cooper
Levi Strauss closed its last American plant in 2004... it was in San
Antonio. The jobs lost, while not very highly paid, were in the hundreds
. Not a single pair of Levis is made on U.S. soil now.
JD
Marsha
Wolfie
removal of Levis manufacturing facilities to non-US locations?
Wolfie, et al
> > JD- Hide quoted text -
Marsha
"Wolfie" <dplus...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Bobbie
Well that's OK then. You wont be too worried by the number of lost jobs.
Bobbie.
Bastard Toadflax
JD Cooper wrote:
>
>
> Levi Strauss closed its last American plant in 2004... it was in San
> Antonio. The jobs lost, while not very highly paid, were in the hundreds
> . Not a single pair of Levis is made on U.S. soil now.
Yes. It's sad what our "Global Economy" has become. They claim everyone
wins, but it seems to mostly be a ploy for 3rd and 4th vacation homes
for the "Captains of Industry"....
BT
>
> JD
Marsha
myself any, my boys did and I sure brought a lot of them over the years.
Don't try to make something that wasn't there.
"Bobbie" <weescott...@myhoosie.com> wrote in message
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Wolfie
wore the same style boot cut 517s for YEARS and had no complaint.
Once they went out of country, the fit is completely different. I'm
no longer a Levi's customer.
Wolfie, et al
On Nov 5, 10:57 am, "Marsha" <mhuck...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I feel bad about that but never did like the product"Wolfie" <dplusone...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Gordon H
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Gordon H
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Marsha
Marsha
"Gordon H" <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote
Wolfie
high school. They say they use the same weight fabric for their 501s
but it's just not true. The ones you could buy in '66 for $4.95/pair
would stand in the corner on their own. They were so stiff when new
you could barely bend your knees. Not so anymore...not for a long
time. I had overlooked the aspect of having to clothe children. Nice
to be that far removed from that reality. Kinda sorta. ;-]
Wolfie, et al
On Nov 5, 11:34 am, "Marsha" <mhuck...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I didn't think they wore as well as others, maybe because I had boys"Wolfie" <dplusone...@netscape.net> wrote in message
JD Cooper
I've worn Wranglers since the late 80's because they seemed to fit
better that the Levis I knew as a younger man. The 501's and later the
517's were my only choice in jeans.
JD