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Re: "U.S. President Biden calls for intellectual property protection waivers after Omicron discovery"
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Bernie Frank
Nov 28, 2021, 3:32:08 PM11/28/21
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On 28 Nov 2021, Rudy Canoza <notg...@gmail.com> posted some
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> On 11/28/2021 11:37 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 11/28/21 11:07 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 11/28/2021 7:54 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 11/28/21 8:57 AM, ed...@post.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:28:50 AM UTC-5, David Hartung
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-pre
>>>>>> sident-biden-calls-intellectual-property-protection-waivers-covid-
>>>>>> 19-2021-11-26/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> WASHINGTON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday
>>>>>> called on nations expected to meet at the World Trade
>>>>>> Organization next week to agree to waive intellectual property
>>>>>> protections for COVID-19 vaccines in the wake of the
>>>>>> identification of a new coronavirus variant in South Africa.
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What an absolute idiot!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How so? You do realize that most of the drug research and
>>>>> development money Big Pharma gets is from the government, i.e.
>>>>> taxpayers, not to mention that the government also pays to cover
>>>>> the costs of providing the vaccine to the population, again at
>>>>> taxpayers' expense, and then Big Pharma has the nerve to want to
>>>>> jack up the prices, especially in the uncontrolled price
>>>>> environment US, to reap fat profits, at taxpayers' expense
>>>>> again? The idea behind exempting intellectual property
>>>>> protections for Covid is that the virus continues to be an
>>>>> evolving one with no end in sight, especially when dumbfuck stupid
>>>>> right wingers refuse to protect themselves from it, producing
>>>>> ongoing multiple variants and mutations, meaning that Big Pharma,
>>>>> despite getting social welfare money from the government (i.e.
>>>>> taxpayers again), would want to even further reap fatter profits
>>>>> to an even more obscene extent, which would then threaten the easy
>>>>> and free (at taxpayers' expense) availability of vaccines and
>>>>> actually further prolong the virus lifespan.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the smart thing to do is what's being done now and keep doing
>>>>> it until the virus no longer proves to be a threat, and then allow
>>>>> for intellectual property protections on it should Covid reappear
>>>>> later in the future in some other form for Big Pharma to make
>>>>> money off of it. But you're just a backward Mississippi thinker
>>>>> who thinks kiling off more people just so Big Pharma can make more
>>>>> money now is more important than saving more people's lives while
>>>>> Big Pharma still makes money from taxpayers, though not as fat
>>>>> an amount as they would otherwise make with IPP. Such a phony
>>>>> pastor man of God you are.
>>>>
>>>> What I realize is that the companies who develop the vaccines
>>>> invest their own money and resources into these vaccines
>>>
>>> What you realize is, as usual, complete bullshit. It was
>>> government money, not private money, that was invested in the
>>> vaccines' development:
>>>
>>> "It Was The Government That Produced COVID-19 Vaccine Success"
>>>
>>> https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20210512.191448/full/
>>>
>>> The government forked over between $18 billion and $23 billion to
>>> the vaccine companies.
>>>
>>> I worked as a contractor in IT for decades, most of it as a
>>> developer (programmer).
>>
>> You haven't the brains to be a computer programmer.
>
> Hartung concedes defeat again.
>
> "Your need to consistently tell people how smart you are
> is immature at best"
> 07/25/2019 11:23am
>
> "Rudy, in my experience, those who feel the need to
> brag about how smart they are, really are not al [sic]
> that smart."
> 06/08/2021 07:35am
>
> "Actually you are an individual who has a constant
> need to tell everyone else just how smart he is."
> 06/22/2021 01:09pm
>
> "The fact that you have to constantly tell me and others
> how smart you are is a clear indication that you are not
> as smart as you claim"
> 11/25/2021 06:21am
>
>
> I'm not smarter than you. You know this.
Are you claiming retard abuse?
news:H6RoJ.81458$g35....@fx11.iad:
> On 11/28/2021 11:37 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 11/28/21 11:07 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 11/28/2021 7:54 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 11/28/21 8:57 AM, ed...@post.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:28:50 AM UTC-5, David Hartung
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-pre
>>>>>> sident-biden-calls-intellectual-property-protection-waivers-covid-
>>>>>> 19-2021-11-26/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> WASHINGTON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday
>>>>>> called on nations expected to meet at the World Trade
>>>>>> Organization next week to agree to waive intellectual property
>>>>>> protections for COVID-19 vaccines in the wake of the
>>>>>> identification of a new coronavirus variant in South Africa.
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What an absolute idiot!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How so? You do realize that most of the drug research and
>>>>> development money Big Pharma gets is from the government, i.e.
>>>>> taxpayers, not to mention that the government also pays to cover
>>>>> the costs of providing the vaccine to the population, again at
>>>>> taxpayers' expense, and then Big Pharma has the nerve to want to
>>>>> jack up the prices, especially in the uncontrolled price
>>>>> environment US, to reap fat profits, at taxpayers' expense
>>>>> again? The idea behind exempting intellectual property
>>>>> protections for Covid is that the virus continues to be an
>>>>> evolving one with no end in sight, especially when dumbfuck stupid
>>>>> right wingers refuse to protect themselves from it, producing
>>>>> ongoing multiple variants and mutations, meaning that Big Pharma,
>>>>> despite getting social welfare money from the government (i.e.
>>>>> taxpayers again), would want to even further reap fatter profits
>>>>> to an even more obscene extent, which would then threaten the easy
>>>>> and free (at taxpayers' expense) availability of vaccines and
>>>>> actually further prolong the virus lifespan.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the smart thing to do is what's being done now and keep doing
>>>>> it until the virus no longer proves to be a threat, and then allow
>>>>> for intellectual property protections on it should Covid reappear
>>>>> later in the future in some other form for Big Pharma to make
>>>>> money off of it. But you're just a backward Mississippi thinker
>>>>> who thinks kiling off more people just so Big Pharma can make more
>>>>> money now is more important than saving more people's lives while
>>>>> Big Pharma still makes money from taxpayers, though not as fat
>>>>> an amount as they would otherwise make with IPP. Such a phony
>>>>> pastor man of God you are.
>>>>
>>>> What I realize is that the companies who develop the vaccines
>>>> invest their own money and resources into these vaccines
>>>
>>> What you realize is, as usual, complete bullshit. It was
>>> government money, not private money, that was invested in the
>>> vaccines' development:
>>>
>>> "It Was The Government That Produced COVID-19 Vaccine Success"
>>>
>>> https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20210512.191448/full/
>>>
>>> The government forked over between $18 billion and $23 billion to
>>> the vaccine companies.
>>>
>>> I worked as a contractor in IT for decades, most of it as a
>>> developer (programmer).
>>
>> You haven't the brains to be a computer programmer.
>
> Hartung concedes defeat again.
>
> "Your need to consistently tell people how smart you are
> is immature at best"
> 07/25/2019 11:23am
>
> "Rudy, in my experience, those who feel the need to
> brag about how smart they are, really are not al [sic]
> that smart."
> 06/08/2021 07:35am
>
> "Actually you are an individual who has a constant
> need to tell everyone else just how smart he is."
> 06/22/2021 01:09pm
>
> "The fact that you have to constantly tell me and others
> how smart you are is a clear indication that you are not
> as smart as you claim"
> 11/25/2021 06:21am
>
>
> I'm not smarter than you. You know this.
Are you claiming retard abuse?
Bernie Frank
Nov 28, 2021, 3:46:26 PM11/28/21
to
On 28 Nov 2021, Rudy Canoza <notg...@gmail.com> posted some
news:y7RoJ.81459$g35....@fx11.iad:
> On 11/28/2021 11:39 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 11/28/21 1:00 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <d_ha...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:hp-dndSUQOyHOz78...@giganews.com:
>>>> every right to benefit fro their labors.
>>>
>>>
>>> ....."their own money"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It Was The Government That Produced
>>> COVID-19 Vaccine Success
>>> MAY 14, 2021
>>>
>>>
>>> It Was The Government That Produced
>>> COVID-19 Vaccine Success
>>>
>>>
>>> Johnson and Johnson, Moderna, Sanofi,
>>> and AstraZeneca together are estimated
>>> to have received more than $2.7 billion
>>> from the federal government to cover
>>> expenses related to human trials.
>>>
>>> The US government made extensive use
>>> of advance purchase commitment contracts
>>> to assure pharmaceutical manufacturers
>>> that there would be sufficient demand
>>> for their products to justify taking
>>> risks and devoting firm resources to the
>>> vaccine effort. To illustrate the
>>> magnitude of these contracts, public
>>> sources indicate that Johnson and Johnson
>>> had a $1 billion contract for 100 million
>>> doses of their vaccine. Moderna had
>>> contracts totaling $4.95 billion to produce
>>> 300 million doses. Pfizer, a firm that
>>> claims to not have received funding from
>>> the government, had advance purchase
>>> contracts totaling $5.97 billion for 300
>>> million doses.
>>>
>>> The pharmaceutical industry should be
>>> recognized for its dedication and commitment
>>> to the development of the COVID-19 vaccines.
>>> However, the successful science and development
>>> process behind these vaccines is due in large
>>> measure to federally supported research and to
>>> taxpayer investment in clinical trials, vaccine
>>> manufacturing, and large-scale procurement. The
>>> government cushioned the pharmaceutical industry
>>> from much of the risks associated with vaccine
>>> development.
>>>
>>> https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20210512.191448/full/
>>
>> Your point? It was still the efforts of private sector researchers
>> who developed the vaccines.
>
> They don't own the intellectual property.
They do for the specific vaccines they developed.
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