Stacey Nelkin
Rtpitwowa
Quote from Publisher's Weekly review of Woody Allen : A Biography by John
Baxter.
"SOON-YI WASN'T Woody Allen's first teen -- the comic star was chasing young
girls long before that romance blossomed. While shooting "Annie Hall," Woody,
then 40, seduced 17- year-old Stacey Nelkin, a bit actress in the movie, who
became the model for the Mariel Hemingway character in "Manhattan." Their
liaison continued in secret for two years. STACEY NELKIN: Woody was 40 -- she
was 17 -- when he seduced her. One time, Allen was spotted with Nelkin at a
popular New York restaurant and one witness claimed that Allen was carrying her
schoolbooks. "I was crazy about him," says Nelkin. But she wasn't the only teen
getting attention from Woody. The girls who made up his fan club were
astonished to find Allen accessible, even intimate. "He got so that he'd often
change right in front of us, right down to his underwear," says fan club
president Linda Hersch. And Allen's enthusiasm for young girls remained
undiminished. In 1979, he admitted to having corresponded with a girl who
claimed to be 11. He wrote to her, "If you're really the age you say you are,
it's phenomenal. But if you're not, don't write to me again and waste my time."
He was only convinced when she came to visit him and brought her mother.
Allen's attentions weren't strictly limited to girls much younger than him. But
his early sexual experiences were painful. "He was a complete failure with
girls," recalled childhood friend Jerry Epstein. "What held him back was his
shyness. He would get knotted up when he had to pick up the phone and call a
girl." At age 20 he was off for California writing for "The NBC Comedy Hour"
and hoping to lose his virginity. But Woody didn't look like a film producer or
casting director most of the beautiful women were there to meet. Instead, Woody
married Harlene Rosen, then 17, whom he met at a Brooklyn social club where she
played piano and he played clarinet." Quote from Woody Allen : A Biography by
John Baxter.
References to Pedophilia in the Work of Woody Allen
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Andrew
: "Baxter unearths eerie tidbits about Allen's relations with two teenage girls"
: Quote from Publisher's Weekly review of Woody Allen : A Biography by John
: Baxter.
: "SOON-YI WASN'T Woody Allen's first teen -- the comic star was chasing young
: girls long before that romance blossomed. While shooting "Annie Hall," Woody,
: then 40, seduced 17- year-old Stacey Nelkin, a bit actress in the movie, who
: became the model for the Mariel Hemingway character in "Manhattan." Their
: liaison continued in secret for two years. STACEY NELKIN: Woody was 40 -- she
: was 17 -- when he seduced her.
It's not very appropriate for a 40-year-old man to be dating a
17-year-old girl, but it's hardly pedophilia. More than 100 years
ago, such a relationship (a marriage) would done little more than
raise a few eyebrows. An older man with money paired with a younger
"fertile" woman wasn't considered abnormal. The "18 year old adult"
rule isn't exactly a biological rule, only a recent standard of
society.
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: In 1979, he admitted to having corresponded with a girl who
: claimed to be 11. He wrote to her, "If you're really the age you say you are,
: it's phenomenal. But if you're not, don't write to me again and
: waste my time."
: He was only convinced when she came to visit him and brought her mother.
Of course, once Woody met her and realized how young she was, he never
saw or wrote to her again. Are you going to mention that in your
paper? That's what Meade's book and I think Baxter's book said also.
Andrew
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robertandrews
underwear,"
What a masterful method of seduction.
>Allen's attentions weren't strictly limited to girls much younger than him.
I have it on good account that he seduced a few sheep as well, and the odd
goat. Maybe you were also one of the many who fell under the charms of
Woody (DonJuanberg) Allen?
Rtpitwowa
There are three types of references at the page. First, references to children
and sex in the work of Woody Allen. This includes references that are clearly
not pedophilia. Second, details about his life. This also includes details
beyond the accusations of sexual molestation. Third, comments by critics, fans
etc that include the accusations and his work. The reason I made references
that are clearly not pedophilia in the first and the second is the third.
Take Hicks comment "we get to see the charming pedophile side of Woody in this
film as he enters a relationship with high school senior Mariel Hemmingway." Do
I not add this comment because many people don't consider attraction to a 17
year old pedophilia? Of course not. This is what Hicks believes and I am
studying beliefs like Hicks. You can argue that Hicks belief is unreasonable
but you can't argue he does not believe it. If Allen was not accused of child
molestation, yes, Hicks probably would have as you said just thought of the
relationship as inappropriate but not pedophilia. This is what I am studying.
Hicks and others seem to take the minority view of a relationship with a 17
girl as pedophilia. Or that Allen is in the case of quote by Kempley is simply
writing about the relationship with a child but masking it with an older women,
after the accusations. I think the underlying belief is if Allen is attracted
to teen age girls then he is more likely to be to much younger girls. Or all
his attractions are based on his attractions to young girls. Is this belief
reasonable? It does not matter. My paper is not about the reasonableness of the
belief but the belief itself. I am not making judgments. I am just documenting.
Sadly Doltish
You are not documenting everything, though. What matters here is what
peices you have chosen to shine your light on, and what peices you have left in
the dark. By doing so, you can convey a belief that seems more drastic than it
actually is, or you can amplify certain aspects of the truth, or of other
people's opinions in order to feed this opinion into a reader's unconscious.
It's the same shit the media does. They play innocent too.
-bDouglas
Episkopos Sadly Doltish Gna, Professor of
Eristocratic Enlightenment at the
CHIMON [Cabal for Highly Important Matters Of Nonsense]
And High Priest of His Own Madness
"Enormities and Preposterousnesses will march." -Charles Fort
Rtpitwowa
You clearly have not seen the page at all. I have comments by Andrew. The
comment in which he calls my thesis idiotic. I went through great efforts to
find actual instances of errors by the media Andrew pointed out including one
from NPR and another from a major newspaper. Another reply from a scene in
Broadway Danny Rose. Another from an article denouncing Hicks comments. Another
saying the public has an unhealthy fascination with Allen's life.
Sadly Doltish
> >You are not documenting everything, though.
>
>You clearly have not seen the page at all. I have comments by Andrew. The
>comment in which he calls my thesis idiotic. I went through great efforts to
>find actual instances of errors by the media Andrew pointed out including one
>from NPR and another from a major newspaper. Another reply from a scene in
>Broadway Danny Rose. Another from an article denouncing Hicks comments.
>Another
>saying the public has an unhealthy fascination with Allen's life.
What do you think?
Rtpitwowa
I believe EVERYTHING in the Salon article Yucky Woody. Get beyond the title and
the illustration. Read the article! It is the most honest account I have ever
seen.
http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/1998/01/cov_16woody.html
People tend to lump Allen in with what happened in the early nineties. As if
the stars and planets converged giving power to the far right. The fault, dear
Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves.
I don't like to conclude before a study is finished but I believe if Allen made
films about Ducks things would have been much different. As crazy as it sounds
he was punished for breaking a contract with the public.
I just added a quote from TIME Magazine that compares Allen to O.J then says he
is "icky." Another by Roger Ebert saying Allen divorced his wife and married
his adopted daughter.
I am sorry if you think shinning the light on these beliefs will somehow
convince people of them. I guess people should not study why people join the
KKK because it might convince others to join?
robertandrews
>I guess people should not study why people join the KKK because it might
convince others to join?
We all wear a hood on the World Wide Web (WWW). It's perfect anonymity.
Mr. O'Hehir's article set up Woody Allen as a straw surrogate father, only
to burn him down. Here's an interesting sentence: "But the fact is that a
wide swath of the American intelligentsia had developed an unhealthy
attachment to Allen's relationship with Mia Farrow; I can remember earnestly
discussing it with friends as a model of artistic/personal partnership and
non-bourgeois monogamy." Good lord. How 'bout this one: "As quasi-public
figures with an interest in marketing their joint image, Allen and Farrow
certainly participated in creating this myth. Their unspoken deal with us .
. . " What bullshit, unspoken deals & fictitious attachments. I'm sorry
both you & Mr. O'Hehir imagined Woody Allen as your father; to me he's
primarily a man who makes films. When you're done trying to convince people
that Woody Allen committed a heinous crime by marrying his girlfriend's
adopted daughter, you'll have to find yourself another father.
Don't pick Mr. Bill.
Rtpitwowa
It is bullshit! Of course, it's bullshit. If you read the next line he says
"the only reason I fell for this hogwash, I guess, is that I helped invent it
and desperately wanted to believe it." Yet he concludes Allen "insist that we
never knew him at all." Of course, he never knew him. He still believes the
hogwash! Why do I read something about Allen's *personal life* in a *movie
review*? Yucky Woody is a review of the movie Celebrity! Why can't so many
people just say; Life is life, Art is art? Allen isn't the first director to
date or marry a young girl. Allen isn't the first to have an older man with a
younger woman in a film. Why the reaction? Why do they believe Farrow when she
admits to such strange things like the Valentine and renaming the children?
Oddly, because she was so open and gladly became the Celebrity Allen never
wanted to be.