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Kurt & Nancy Harris

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Nov 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/17/99
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Greetings fellow worshipers.

Knowing that the holy canon of writings is large, but nonetheless finite, I
have paced myself in my reading of Wodehouse and to this point have read and
re-read a good deal more of the short stories and less of the longer works
with the exception of a few Jeeves, Blandings and Uncle Fred novels. I say
that to say this: My experiential knowledge of the master's writings is
limited.

But there is a reference in at least two or three of the Jeeves stories to
an incident where Tuppy Glossop made a wager with Bertie that the latter
could not swing across the Drones Club swimming pool using the rings
suspended above. Bertie makes a valiant effort, but due to Tuppy's
treachery, is forced to drop into the pool when he discovers the last ring
draped out of reach.

Now the question: Does this incident appear in any story (it's not in the
Jeeves Omnibus), or is it only referred to as an incident in the past?

Thanks for your help on this query?

the pink chap

--
The pink chap's thought for the month: I've thought long and hard about
meditation and decided I could never do it.

Rick Rashid

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Nov 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/17/99
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Kurt & Nancy Harris wrote in message <80t6ir$qgu$1...@mango.singnet.com.sg>...
>Greetings fellow worshipers.


>But there is a reference in at least two or three of the Jeeves stories to
>an incident where Tuppy Glossop made a wager with Bertie that the latter
>could not swing across the Drones Club swimming pool using the rings
>suspended above. Bertie makes a valiant effort, but due to Tuppy's
>treachery, is forced to drop into the pool when he discovers the last ring
>draped out of reach.
>
>Now the question: Does this incident appear in any story (it's not in the
>Jeeves Omnibus), or is it only referred to as an incident in the past?
>
>Thanks for your help on this query?
>
>the pink chap


Like the story of the Sir Gregory and the prawns, and Pongo's day at the dog
races, the swimming pool incident does not appear in any story but is
mentioned in passing throghout the archives.

Nevertheless, one can picture the details. The trusting girl who learned too
late that men betray, the little bundle, the splash, the bubbling cry.....
but wait.... that one is about Eulalie and Spode.... never mind.

Merolchazzar


AFol...@webtv.net

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Nov 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/17/99
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In article <80u3m1$mb3$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,

"Rick Rashid" <rick....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Like the story of the Sir Gregory and the prawns, and Pongo's day
at the dog
> races, the swimming pool incident does not appear in any story but is
> mentioned in passing throghout the archives.
>
> Nevertheless, one can picture the details. The trusting girl who
learned too
> late that men betray, the little bundle, the splash, the bubbling
cry.....
> but wait.... that one is about Eulalie and Spode.... never mind.
>
What ho, Your Oomic Majesty;

Then, too, the pool incident does not hold quite the fascination of the
prawn and dog race stories, precisely because Bertie has given us a
pretty full account. Repeatedly, in fact; it would not be too harsh to
say that he was inclined to brood on it. There's just not the element
of Watsonian teasing, nor the scope for the exercise of the reader's
imagination, which are present in the veiled allusions to the other off-
stage stories.

Ta!
Le Vicomte de Blissac


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charles bishop

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Nov 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/19/99
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In article <80vce1$jgu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, AFol...@webtv.net wrote:

>
> Then, too, the pool incident does not hold quite the fascination of the
> prawn and dog race stories, precisely because Bertie has given us a
> pretty full account. Repeatedly, in fact; it would not be too harsh to
> say that he was inclined to brood on it. There's just not the element
> of Watsonian teasing, nor the scope for the exercise of the reader's
> imagination, which are present in the veiled allusions to the other off-
> stage stories.
>
> Ta!
> Le Vicomte de Blissac


It may be the differences in cultures, le French or the American, or else
status, Le Vicomte or the commoner, but I must disagree.

The Looped Ring Incident, as it is known to Scotland Yard was in the first
stories I read. I found it funny precisely because Bertie kept repeating
his tale of betrayal to all and sundry. Not that they listened, though. He
would fume and attempt to interest his audience in the treachery of One
Who Was As Kin, but they listened not and Bertie was left sputtering his
indignation. It was even funnier because it arced over several stories.


Gally


Richard Rutledge

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Nov 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/19/99
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While not a direct "get his own back", in "Jeeves and the Yuletide Spirit",
old Tuppy is tricked by Jeeves into puncturing the water bottle in the bed
where his uncle Sir Roderick (the alienist) was sleeping - causing, one
would assume, much embarrasment. Of course, Sir Roderick at the time was
slumbering in the Bertie's room, after Bertie had tried to do the same trick
earlier to Tuppy, but found - too late - that he had been misdirected to Sir
Roderick's chambers. Of course the whole K. and C. could be traced back to
Bobbie Wickham and her high spirited jinks.
Ron Louie <ronl...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
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> Did Bertie ever get his own back from the treacherous Tuppy?
>
> ...asks the human Pekingese

Ron Louie

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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Rick Rashid

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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Ron Louie wrote in message <814unb$1gc2$1...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>...

>Did Bertie ever get his own back from the treacherous Tuppy?


A couple of ocasions come to mind. One would be in "The ordeal of young
Tuppy" where Tuppy is roughed up by a bunch of beefy villagers in a rugby
match. (According to Bertie, every second male in the said community might
have been
the village blacksmith's big brother).

The other one, ws when Tuppy got the bird while singing "Sonny Boy" at Beefy
Bingham's clean bright entertainment in "Jeeves and the song of songs".
Here's how Bertie described Tuppy's appearance:

I don't know why, but somehow I had got the impression that the first thing
thrown at Tuppy would be a potato. It was, however, as a matter a fact a
banana, and I saw in an instant that the choice had been made by a wiser
hand than mine. The moment I saw that banana splash on Tuppy's shirt front,
I realized how infinately more effective and artistic it was than any potato
would have been.

Not that the potato school of thought had not also its supporters. As the
proceedings warmed up, I noticed several intelligent looking fellows who
threw nothing else.

Merolchazzar

david

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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True, but Sir Roderick (known post-reconciliation as "Roddy") suspected that
it was Bertie again - so Tuppy did not get into hot water for it, as I
recall.

Adrian Mulliner


Richard Rutledge <rcj...@networld.com> wrote in message
news:3836...@nntp.networld.com...


> While not a direct "get his own back", in "Jeeves and the Yuletide
Spirit",
> old Tuppy is tricked by Jeeves into puncturing the water bottle in the bed
> where his uncle Sir Roderick (the alienist) was sleeping - causing, one
> would assume, much embarrasment. Of course, Sir Roderick at the time was
> slumbering in the Bertie's room, after Bertie had tried to do the same
trick
> earlier to Tuppy, but found - too late - that he had been misdirected to
Sir
> Roderick's chambers. Of course the whole K. and C. could be traced back
to
> Bobbie Wickham and her high spirited jinks.
> Ron Louie <ronl...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
> news:814unb$1gc2$1...@nntp1.u.washington.edu...

> > Did Bertie ever get his own back from the treacherous Tuppy?
> >

> > ...asks the human Pekingese
>
>

Sushila Peterson,TWS

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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"....in "The ordeal of young Tuppy" where Tuppy is roughed
up by a bunch of beefy villagers in a rugby match."
Oh, but Tuppy prevailedin that match, even with a fair
portion of Hampshire shoved in his eye.
And although he lost his rural sweetheart, his
romantic life was once again balanced--which is,
after all, the most for which anyone could hope
(everyone in his place & all that, you know, with
no additional demands for Irish Water Spaniels
and the like).
Respectfully,
Hypatia

attw...@my-deja.com

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Nov 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/27/99
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Oh but mais non! The pool incident is interesting because it only
superficially makes sense. The idea of the ropes and rings being
deployed over the swimming bath is very strange. It reminds one of the
movable dance floor over the Grover's Corners (?) high school gymnasium
in Capra's film "It's a Wonderful Life". And if you continue to brood
tensely, you wonder "so what if the last ring was looped back, why
should this cause Bertram to drop into the fluid in correct evening
costume? -- why did he not swing back to the previous ring?" Odd, very,
and tending to cause a kneading of the temples to alleviate the
unaccustomed strain... Cheers. Roland Moresby Attwater (rising young
literary critic).

Anne Cotton

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Nov 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/27/99
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Excuse me, but you seem to have forgotten a small item known as
momentum. Have you ever swung on anything and tried to reverse
direction in mid-swing? And on rings -- once one has let go of one,
it tends to swing back in the other direction -- that is, away from the
swinger. Out of reach. And then it hangs straight down, also out
of reach. No, I can easily undertstand how Bertie ended up in the
pool. I mean, ask Tarzan how HE would feel if Jane, in a playful
mood, tied back the last vine in a row, as he was swinging along
in the jungle...

Lady Bassett


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Colonel Briscoe

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Nov 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/27/99
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My Dear Attwater,
Please permit me to make a few humble corrections to your post. I'm so
glad that you put a question mark after "Grover's Corners" for that in
reality is the name of the town in the play "Our Town" by Mr. Thornton
Wilder. The actual name of the town in "It's a Wondeful Life" was
Bedford Falls (A.K.A. Pottersville). A small piece of trivia, too, if I
may. The movable dance floor covering the swimming pool in "It's a
Wonderful Life" actually existed. It was in the Beverly Hills High
School gymnasium. Legend has it that when Mr. Capra saw this strange
arrangement he wrote it into the script of his movie.
Cheery- Bye
Col. B.

>
> Oh but mais non! The pool incident is interesting because it only
> superficially makes sense. The idea of the ropes and rings being
> deployed over the swimming bath is very strange. It reminds one of the
> movable dance floor over the Grover's Corners (?) high school gymnasium
> in Capra's film "It's a Wonderful Life". And if you continue to brood
> tensely, you wonder "so what if the last ring was looped back, why
> should this cause Bertram to drop into the fluid in correct evening
> costume? -- why did he not swing back to the previous ring?" Odd, very,
> and tending to cause a kneading of the temples to alleviate the
> unaccustomed strain... Cheers. Roland Moresby Attwater (rising young
> literary critic).
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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Sushila Peterson,TWS

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Nov 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/27/99
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My Dear Colonel,
Your presence in this company is well appreciated.
After all, one's worth and prospect for lively interaction
is often based in one's able retrieval of trivial ~ ~ yet
essential information. Glad you've joined us.
Respectfully,
Hypatia

StvHerbert

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Nov 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/28/99
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>The movable dance floor covering the swimming pool in "It's a
>Wonderful Life" actually existed. It was in the Beverly Hills High
>School gymnasium.

You need to change your tenses here. The movable dance floor still exists at
Beverly Hills High School's gymnasium, the Swim-Gym. The facility turns 60 in
June and still is the home court for the school's basketball, volleyball,
swimming and water polo teams.

I will post a Los Angeles Times article I wrote on the Swim-Gym later Sunday.

Sincerely,

Steven Herbert

Colonel Briscoe

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Nov 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/28/99
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My Dear Mr. Herbert,
Thanks ever so for your enlightenment concerning the continued existence
of the Beverly Hills High School Gymnasium. It warms the heart to see
southern California take an interest in its architectural treasures. One
hears so much about this-or-that historical mansion being bulldozed to
put up a new Hard Rock Cafe or some such rot. One is reminded of Steve
Martin in "L.A. Story" when, while showing an Englishwoman around town
remarked, "You know, some of these houses around here are over TWENTY
YEARS OLD!!"
Again, Thanks for your insight. I look forward to your article.
Col. B.

StvHerbert

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Nov 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/28/99
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>One
>hears so much about this-or-that historical mansion being bulldozed

Among the mansions recently bulldozed was the one "It's a Wonderful Life" star
Jimmy Stewart lived in. The New York Times had an article on that.

Basically, someone bought the house after Stewart's death and decided to tear
it down.

StvHerbert

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Nov 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/28/99
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As promised, here my Los Angeles Times story on Beverly Hills High School's
gymnasium.

Sunday, December 5, 1993

Home Edition

Section: Westside

Page: J-4

WESTSIDE WATCH


The Greatest Role of a Wonderful Pool

Now it can be told: Beverly Hills High School has many claims to
fame, but probably none bigger than that its Swim-Gym was used in a key
scene in the movie "It's a Wonderful Life."

We learned last week that the scene was not in the original script,
but was a late alteration made by director Frank Capra.

According to Jimmy Hawkins, who portrayed Tommy Bailey and is the
author of a trivia book on "It's a Wonderful Life," the original plan was
to have Jimmy Stewart's and Donna Reed's characters meet at a generic
high school graduation dance.

"They were getting ready to go (and shoot elsewhere), then Capra found
out about this and said, 'I'll have the pool open and them take a dunk in
it,' " he said. Hawkins, along with the three other actors who played the
Bailey children, participated in a ceremony Monday at the Swim-Gym
unveiling a plaque commemorating the filming of the scene on April 15,
1946.

A quick recap for those few who may have somehow missed all of "It's a
Wonderful Life's" many TV showings: Early in the tale, which brings a
guardian angel into the life of a suicidal George Bailey (Stewart),
Bailey spots Mary Hatch (Reed) for the first time as a grown-up at a
dance honoring the Class of 1928 from fictional Bedford Falls (N.Y) High
School.

While the two are participating in a Charleston contest, Mary's
disgruntled suitor is prodded by a friend to turn the key that opens the
basketball court, thus revealing the swimming pool.

"That's why (Capra) was a great director, because he thought on his
feet and was willing to try things not in the script," Hawkins said.

The Swim-Gym, built in 1940 as a Works Progress Administration
project, remains in use for swimming classes and as the home venue for
the school's basketball, swimming, volleyball and water polo teams.

But at age 54, it could use a guardian angel of its own. Last year,
for example, a basketball game was, in effect, rained out; it had to be
moved to a smaller practice gym because of condensation from new
skylights.

A reunion last June commemorating the school's 65th anniversary raised
$20,000 for Swim-Gym repairs.

The recently passed Proposition S school bond measure should help,
too.

Ward Griffiths

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Colonel Briscoe wrote:
>
> My Dear Mr. Herbert,
> Thanks ever so for your enlightenment concerning the continued existence
> of the Beverly Hills High School Gymnasium. It warms the heart to see
> southern California take an interest in its architectural treasures. One
> hears so much about this-or-that historical mansion being bulldozed to
> put up a new Hard Rock Cafe or some such rot. One is reminded of Steve
> Martin in "L.A. Story" when, while showing an Englishwoman around town
> remarked, "You know, some of these houses around here are over TWENTY
> YEARS OLD!!"

Twenty years can be a long time when looking at the construction
standards around Los Angeles, especially the tract suburbs like
the one in which I misspent my childhood.

And there are, contrary to popular belief, not all that many
"historical" mansions in Los Angeles. The ones the tourists are
shown are houses slapped up by "stars" during their brief times
in the limelight (and the money), all built within this century
and with hardly a shred of ivy to show for it. Real historical
houses don't usually have stucco that melts in the rain.
--
Ward Griffiths wdg...@home.com http://members.home.net/wdg3rd/

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politicians were it not for two countervailing circumstances. First,
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from taking drugs to having sex. It is elitist hypocrisy for them to
demand the privacy rights that they routinely deny to ordinary people.
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