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maud.the.g...@spammer.die.die.die.invalid

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Jan 16, 2001, 7:37:24 PM1/16/01
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While recently replying to a posting concerning the Lord Chuffnell - Pauline
Stoker affair, I remembered that the nub or res of this book consisted of
Pauline Stoker sneaking into Wooster's cottage and wearing his heliotrope
pyjamas with the old gold stripe. Which immediately brings up the question,
what kind of colour is heliotrope? I've always mentally pictured it as
a kind of tan, but for all I know, it could be a hideous shade of mauve.

And now for a quick snort of laughter, which, as eminent medical experts
agree, strengthens the lungs, freshens the complexion and invigorates
the red blood corpuscles. Here's a little snippet which I remember from the
book and which I've always found very funny. Sorry it's not verbatim, I
don't have a copy handy.

Chuffy: I know that there hasn't been anything underhand going on[1] because
Bertie has....
Bertie: been behaving like a perfect gentleman.
Chuffy (with dirty look at Bertie): sleeping in the potting shed.
Bertie(to us): I must admit that this version didn't sound nearly as good as
mine.

Thanks,
Maud, now a grandmother

Dianne van Dulken

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Jan 16, 2001, 7:47:11 PM1/16/01
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>While recently replying to a posting concerning the Lord Chuffnell -
Pauline
>Stoker affair, I remembered that the nub or res of this book consisted of
>Pauline Stoker sneaking into Wooster's cottage and wearing his heliotrope
>pyjamas with the old gold stripe. Which immediately brings up the question,
>what kind of colour is heliotrope? I've always mentally pictured it as
>a kind of tan, but for all I know, it could be a hideous shade of mauve.


I hate to break it to you, but heliotrope is indeed a hideous shade of
mauve. Well, a kind of bright purpley colour to be exact. If you pop
here

http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/single_image/0,5716,11803+asmbly%5
Fid,00.html

you will see a picture of some heliotrope flowers. Whilst not exact, they
give you a bit of a heliotrope idea. The dictionary definition appears to
be "a reddish lavendar"

Came as a bit of a shock to me when I first realised as well. Only *I* had
been thinking of it as a subtle darkish blue.

Waggle

The dog Mc


Augustus Fink-Nottle

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Jan 16, 2001, 8:22:12 PM1/16/01
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maud.the.g...@spammer.die.die.die.invalid wrote:
>While recently replying to a posting concerning the Lord Chuffnell - Pauline
>Stoker affair, I remembered that the nub or res of this book consisted of
>Pauline Stoker sneaking into Wooster's cottage and wearing his heliotrope
>pyjamas with the old gold stripe. Which immediately brings up the question,
>what kind of colour is heliotrope? I've always mentally pictured it as
>a kind of tan, but for all I know, it could be a hideous shade of mauve.


What ho, Maud!
Heliotropes are light purple coloured flowers. While I wouldn't call
the colour hideous - in fact I would call it right royal if it were a bit
darker - it is perhaps a shade whose brightness might startle the
unsuspecting.
- Gussie

Nina Hattiangadi

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Jan 16, 2001, 4:34:40 PM1/16/01
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...Which begs the question: how did Jeeves, who manages to put the kibosh
on all sorts of colorful garments (including mauve socks) manage to let
heliotrope pyjamas slip by him? Old gold stripe notwithstanding. Well, I
suppose in the great fashion-show of Wodehouse nightwear, nothing can
compare to Brinkley in his lemon-color pyjamas (with flying flower-pot
accessory,
of course). Somehow lemon-color pyjamas are so much funnier than plain old
yellow!

"Cats, forsooth!"

-- Nina


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Emerald Stoker

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Jan 16, 2001, 10:51:08 PM1/16/01
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In article <3a64...@news.ucsc.edu>,

maud.the.g...@spammer.die.die.die.invalid wrote:
> what kind of colour is heliotrope? I've always mentally pictured it as
> a kind of tan, but for all I know, it could be a hideous shade of
mauve.

I salute your intelligence Ms Maud. At least you knew heliotrope was a
color. I assumed it stood for lines - why - it will remain a mystery!

Actually it is not a bad color as such - as men's pyjama's it might
look horrendous - but it looks rather nice on the flower!

Em the clueless


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the pink chap

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Jan 18, 2001, 1:37:36 AM1/18/01
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> ...Which begs the question: how did Jeeves, who manages to put the kibosh
> on all sorts of colorful garments (including mauve socks) manage to let
> heliotrope pyjamas slip by him? Old gold stripe notwithstanding. Well, I
> suppose in the great fashion-show of Wodehouse nightwear, nothing can
> compare to Brinkley in his lemon-color pyjamas (with flying flower-pot
> accessory,
> of course). Somehow lemon-color pyjamas are so much funnier than plain
old
> yellow!
>
> -- Nina

Perhaps if Jeeves had had any idea that Miss Stoker would end up seeing the
bally pajamas, let alone wear them, he would have exerted his will a bit.
But I cast no aspersions on Jeeves' ability to choose his fights.

the pink chap

George Mulliner

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Jan 17, 2001, 6:52:49 PM1/17/01
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Nina Hattiangadi wrote:

> ...Which begs the question: how did Jeeves, who manages to put the kibosh
> on all sorts of colorful garments (including mauve socks) manage to let
> heliotrope pyjamas slip by him? Old gold stripe notwithstanding. Well, I
> suppose in the great fashion-show of Wodehouse nightwear, nothing can
> compare to Brinkley in his lemon-color pyjamas (with flying flower-pot
> accessory,
> of course). Somehow lemon-color pyjamas are so much funnier than plain old
> yellow!
>
> "Cats, forsooth!"
>
> -- Nina
>

I must get into the habit of having a dictionary alongside me when I read my
Wodehouse. I pictured heliotrope as being some shade of yellow (helio->
helios->Sun->yellow). Can't get much further away from purple than that...

BTW, you mean Baxter of course, not Brinkley. Brinkley's weapon of choice would
be a potato or a carving knife. Did he continue on his quest to determine the
color of Bertie's insides, I wonder?


George Mulliner

LadyMacBec

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Jan 17, 2001, 7:44:07 PM1/17/01
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I am so glad the subject came up. I had been blithely skipping through life,
thinking (when I thought at all) that the blasted pyjamas had some sort of
pinwheel-shaped decoration sprinkled all over them. I do now know where I got
this notion, nor why I did not question it. One is amazed that I made it
through grade school.
pip pip
Corky

Alan Follett

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Jan 18, 2001, 11:18:23 AM1/18/01
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arunn...@nobugsspam.che.wisc.edu (George Mulliner) wrote:

> I must get into the habit of having
> a dictionary alongside me when I
> read my Wodehouse. I pictured
> heliotrope as being some shade of
> yellow (helio-> helios->Sun->yellow).
> Can't get much further away from
> purple than that...

What ho, George;

I must confess to the same error, on slightly different grounds: I had
been under the impression that "heliotrope" was another name for the
common sunflower, making Bertie's pajamas a sort of sunflower yellow.

Ah, well, doubtless this simply reflects the sad fact that I am no
horticulturalist, finding myself incapable of growing bread mould.

Ta!
Le Vicomte de Blissac

JMG Joe

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Jan 19, 2001, 7:39:52 AM1/19/01
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I was laboring under the delusion that heliotrope was a rather light shade of
purple, a pastel sort of violet thing.

This is a function of having shirts in this sort of mild color that were
advertised as being "Heliotrope."

Discuss.

A Young Man In Spats
c/o The Drones Club
16 Dover Street
London, W1

http://hometown.aol.com/JMGarciaJr/classics.html

Nina Hattiangadi

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Jan 19, 2001, 11:20:22 AM1/19/01
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What ho, young man!

Just visited your fashion page, and was shocked -- one might even say
flabbergasted -- that there was not one spat to be found! A whole
consortium of nattily-dressed but nonetheless spat-free individuals. Can
this really be the last word in fashion? Or has some villain sneaked in
whilst you were in cybersleep and despatted your models? I think that if
you wish your page to be, as Pongo would say, the last bubbling cry, you
might consider this addition. Perhaps something in a nice lemon-yellow?
With mauve trouser socks?

BTW, you seem like the kind of chap who could finally tell me what
constitutes "sponge-bag trousers." Any idea?

"Cats, forsooth!"

-- Nina

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James Fung

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Jan 20, 2001, 2:03:43 AM1/20/01
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What Ho!

Nina, old egg, this question has come up on the AFW before. But unlike the
Amazing Hat Mystery, some brainy cove knows the answer.

http://www.serv.net/~camel/wodehouse/indepthqst.html#sponge

Or to save you the hassle, here is the entry in its entirety:

From: ho...@bu.edu (Christopher Hodge)
The name refers to the print (something like houndstooth, I believe) which
was commonly used on bags in which one carried one's sponge and other bath
supplies. When some fashionable Johnny decided to make leggings out of the
fabric, they were given the name in question.

However, this FAQ (aka The Junior Ganymede Blub Cook) has other most
information tidbits. Well worth the read, despite the dirth of faceless
fiends.

~An Egg

--

Say it with flower-pots!
-- "Leave it to Psmith," P.G. Wodehouse


Katherine Evans

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Jan 20, 2001, 12:20:46 PM1/20/01
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Re: Heliotrope pyjamas

Group: alt.fan.wodehouse Date: Wed, Jan 17, 2001, 5:52pm (PST+2) From:
arunn...@nobugsspam.che.wisc.edu (George Mulliner)
Nina Hattiangadi wrote:
..Which begs the question: how did Jeeves, who manages to put the
kibosh on all sorts of colorful garments (including mauve socks) manage
to let heliotrope pyjamas slip by him? Old gold stripe notwithstanding.
Well, I suppose in the great fashion-show of Wodehouse nightwear,
nothing can compare to Brinkley in his lemon-color pyjamas (with flying
flower-pot accessory,
of course). Somehow lemon-color pyjamas are so much funnier than plain
old
yellow!
"Cats, forsooth!"
-- Nina
  I must get into the habit of having a dictionary alongside me when
I read my Wodehouse. I pictured heliotrope as being some shade of yellow
(helio-> helios->Sun->yellow). Can't get much further away from purple
than that...

George Mulliner wrote:
BTW, you mean Baxter of course, not Brinkley. Brinkley's weapon of
choice would be a potato or a carving knife. Did he continue on his
quest to determine the color of Bertie's insides, I wonder?

In a later Jeeves books, he turns out to have inherited quite a bit of
money and is busy nobbling the local election, but wouldn't hurt a fly
physically. I wish I could remember the title. I have it somewhere and
it's a fun read.
Kathy

Bianchi

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Jan 21, 2001, 9:39:39 PM1/21/01
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farm...@webtv.net (Katherine Evans) wrote
Greetings from B on the B: Perhaps Jeeves made the same deal with Bertie taht I
amde with my children when I thought their going-to-school attire was beyond the
pale, "If you let me help you choose your school outfit when you come home to
play, you can wear anything you want." This would definitely include pajamas,
heliotrope or worse. I have lost my copy of Who's Who in Wodehouse. Does
anyone know where I might find another copy? Is it going to be re-issued? I
can onlyfind copies so far for from $40 to $165. Maybe I'm not looking in the
right place. Lady Constance, in mourning


..Which begs the question: how did Jeeves, who manages to put the
kibosh on all sorts of colorful garments (including mauve socks) manage
to let heliotrope pyjamas slip by him? Old gold stripe notwithstanding.
Well, I suppose in the great fashion-show of Wodehouse nightwear,
nothing can compare to Brinkley in his lemon-color pyjamas (with flying
flower-pot accessory,
of course). Somehow lemon-color pyjamas are so much funnier than plain

oldand

Sushila Peterson,TWS

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Jan 30, 2001, 4:15:59 PM1/30/01
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My dear Maude,
Several years ago, one could purchase a set of very similar pyjamas
at the Laura Ashley store. They happened to be on sale about that time.
Hypatia

Sushila Peterson,TWS

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Jan 30, 2001, 4:17:36 PM1/30/01
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Dearest Maude,
Several years ago, the Laurel Ashley store offered very similar
pjyamas, and they were on sale quite often.
Hypatia

LadyMacBec

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Jan 31, 2001, 12:54:49 AM1/31/01
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I say,
I'm rather shocked that a gentleman would be purchasing his slumber wear at a
Laura Ashley store. I do not issue any firm nolle p.'s, I simply raise the
eyebrow a tad.
Corky

Sushila Peterson,TWS

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Jan 31, 2001, 5:33:42 PM1/31/01
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Oh, Tad had nothing to do with it;
I bought 'em for myself.
Hypatia

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