[NRG] Review - The Phantom Menace
Princess Buttercup
[note to alt.books.terry-brooks: This is a thread that gets posted to RASSM
and AFW. Both are Star Wars related newsgroups and this novel being written
by Terry Brooks, I thought this'd be a good newsgroup to post it to.]
Yikes! I'm late. It took me so long to remember all that stuff to type the
summary. But I'm here now.
This novel gives so much insight into the novel, what the characters are
thinking and fills in things like brief histories of the Sith and the Jedi.
I thought the book was paced slowly. It felt that the end came up too soon.
I like Terry Brooks's other books but this one is at the bottom of that
list.
The old spacer that Anakin meets in Mos Espa makes me wonder if that's not
Han Solo's father or related to Han Solo. It's too much of a coincidence
that he has run the Kessel Run. And that spaces also makes me think that he
may be a Jedi in disguise. There are thousands of Jedi throughout the galaxy
and this could be one of them. He sensed Anakin's abilities and encouraged
him to pursue them.
Qui Gon seems to be using his Jedi mind powers too much. He uses it on Watto
[and fails] and Boss Nass and doesn't even think twice about the morality of
it. Yoda taught Luke to always use the Force not for personal gain. I can
understand that they needed to get to Theed and they needed to get the parts
for the ship but I feel that it still doesn't justify manipulating people
[aliens? characters?] that way.
Something that I found confusing is 3PO's name. He's supposed to be a
protocol droid. There are other protocol droids that look like him [like the
one that serves the drinks to Obi-Wan and Qui Gon] and correct me if I'm
wrong but aren't those droids of the same designation? So that brings me to
another question. Does C-3PO mean anything besides being the third member in
the Skywalker family?
I love Tusken Raiders. They're my favourite aliens in the SW galaxy. And we
finally get a few translated sentences. I liked the part where Anakin
rescues that downed Raider. That shows that Anakin does have the same
concern [he was curious at first] for all creatures as Qui Gon does. Like
father like son? More on this later.
Cloaking devices! This is new. And I get the feeling that it'll be something
that will be used during the Clone Wars. What's really interesting is that
the Empire never used them. If they had, they'd annihilated entire planets
at whim. Just cloak the Death Star and jump unsuspecting planets and destroy
them for treason.
I want to know why the decoy Queen sends Padmé out to clean R2. She knows
that's the real Queen so why send her to clean the droid. It makes no sense
to me.
If any of you watched the commercials for the movie, remember the Darth Maul
commercial. The voice over says, "Fear. Fear attracts the fearful, the
strong, the weak, the innocent, the corrupt. Fear. Fear is my ally." Anakin
tells Jar Jar that fear attracts the fearful. I think this is a bit of
foreshadowing on Lucas's part of Anakin's future. And speaking of
foreshadowing...in Jar Jar speak, Obi-Wan is ObiOne. It makes me wonder if
the rumour that the older Obi-Wan is really a clone. Lucas is playing mind
games with us.
I also have the suspicion that Shmi is Force-sensitive but doesn't use her
powers. She and Qui Gon seem to be reading each other's minds all the time
and it may not all be facial expressions. Plus Anakin's birth is so strange.
She doesn't tell Qui Gon who the father is and she goes on to more or less
describe a virgin birth. Did we see this one coming? Nope. And the way they
look at each other makes me think that Qui Gon could be Anakin's father.
Another clue is that Anakin and Qui Gon seem to have a kinder heart toward
other creatures/people. Anakin gets Jira a cooling unit because she needs it
for her health. Qui Gon helps Anakin gain his freedom and takes him to the
Jedi Council even though he knows, his request for training will be turned
down. They're very much alike.
And how can being close to the Force be Qui Gon's weakness? He should be
'attentive to the unifying Force' and he's not. What does that all mean?
Isn't a Jedi's strengths really skills that he/she uses?
Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I suspend
reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can understand
that. But how can something physical like something that's in the cells of
every living thing, be what drives the Force. Other novels come to mind in
which Luke uses the Force. Or other characters for that matter. I can't
picture them as using these symbiots to "channel" the Force, if you will.
This sounds like another let's-come-up-with-something-really-quick subplot
on Lucas's part.
I liked two parts. One, when Anakin tells Padmé that he will marry her. When
I read that the first time, I felt like somebody was telling *me* that. More
foreshadowing but this time we know it'll happen. The second time is when he
gives her that little trinket while on their way to Coruscant so she can
remember him and she tells him that she doesn't need that to remember her
future husband. I think that at that point she believes him. She can read
the determination in his eyes.
The lightsaber battles are more visual and can be enjoyed better on the big
screen. They didn't do anything for me in the novel. And even Qui Gon's
death doesn't have the same feeling in the novel.
Overall, I think that this could've been a better novel. I was really
looking forward to another Brooks book but this one turned out to be not his
greatest.
Rating:
8/10
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Bart Barenbrug
> Review - The Phantom Menace
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> Something that I found confusing is 3PO's name. He's supposed to be a
> protocol droid. There are other protocol droids that look like him [like the
> one that serves the drinks to Obi-Wan and Qui Gon] and correct me if I'm
> wrong but aren't those droids of the same designation? So that brings me to
> another question. Does C-3PO mean anything besides being the third member in
> the Skywalker family?
Doesn't the novel state that "Anakin just named him yesterday" or something
like that. So Anakin just made up a name that he liked, not related to any
of the normal `catalogue' numbers for the droid (such as presumably TC-14).
> Cloaking devices! This is new.
No, it's not. There's a line in Empire Strikes Back where an imperial
officer comments that "no ship that small has a cloaking device" when
the Millenium Falcon has magically disappeared off their scanners
by attaching itself to the bridge of the Star Destroyer.
> I want to know why the decoy Queen sends Padmé out to clean R2. She knows
> that's the real Queen so why send her to clean the droid. It makes no sense
> to me.
It looks to me like a plot device (on Lucas' part) to get Padme' apart, so she
and Jar Jar can meet and have a talk. But that meeting scene doesn't add that
much to the story imho.
> Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I suspend
> reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
> midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can understand
> that. But how can something physical like something that's in the cells of
> every living thing, be what drives the Force.
Midi-chlorians do not drive the force. They are just a means to get in touch
with the Force. Much like metal can conduct electricity, I guess.
> Other novels come to mind in
> which Luke uses the Force. Or other characters for that matter. I can't
> picture them as using these symbiots to "channel" the Force, if you will.
They may not be aware that they're using them. Air conducts you voice when
you speak, so the airwaves can reach the one who's listening to you, but
you're usually not consciously aware of that. You *would* become aware of
it if you would try to talk in a vacuum: it wouldn't work (apart from the
suffocation of course). Just as it wouldn't work to use `force powers'
when you don't have midi-chlorians (or a very low count).
To me, the Force is still as mystical as it ever was.
Just my comments on the comments,
Bart
Jamie Locus
> Cloaking devices! This is new. And I get the feeling that it'll be something
> that will be used during the Clone Wars. What's really interesting is that
> the Empire never used them. If they had, they'd annihilated entire planets
> at whim. Just cloak the Death Star and jump unsuspecting planets and destroy
> them for treason.
I'm pretty sure you don't *really* need to sneak the Death Star up on a
planet. :)
Citizen: "Hey, you can't destroy my planet! I see you there!"
Grand Moff: "You heard him, lets go home."
Imperial Armada: "Ah, poop."
It would be much more like the Empire to just have the inference of
death to have planets bend to their whim. Also, if the Empire went
around destroying planets willy-nilly, they wouldn't have much of an
empire after long.
Jamie One
moo...@my-deja.com
> Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I
>suspend reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
> midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can
>understand that. But how can something physical like something that's
>in the cells of every living thing, be what drives the Force. Other
>novels come to mind in which Luke uses the Force. Or other characters
>for that matter. I can't picture them as using these symbiots to
>channel" the Force, if you will. This sounds like another
I thought that the midi-chlorians were based on mitochondria, those
"things" (for lack of a better word) that lived in the cells. Okay,
this is way off topic but I read a book when I was little called "The
Wind in the Door" or something like that, where a little boy's body was
likened to a galaxy to his mitochondria and the other "creatures"
actually living in it. If something happened to the boy or his
mitochondria, the other would die. These mitochondria were also
connected somehow to the outside universe, and were able to talk to
stars and whatnot. The size of the being didn't matter since we were
_all_ connected to each other, whether mitochondria or mouse or sun.
All in all, for a children's book it was pretty interesting, and for me
it made the concept of midi-chlorians a little clearer.
Sorry for being so off-topic, but I couldn't help myself.
Namiko
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Mastadon
> looking forward to another Brooks book but this one turned out to be not
his
> greatest.
>
> Rating:
> 8/10
I agree. I think it was partly because Brooks wasn't writing the story. I
was kind of disappointed that some parts were not embelished at all, the
book pretty much stuck to the exact same dialogue as the movie. Feelings
weren't explained very well, thought processes weren't shown. I was
expecting a little more (or maybe a lot more) than the movie had in it, kind
of like Jurassic Park. The book also wasn't done very well, it seemed to
skimp on parts where it needed more and go into detail on parts where no
detail was necessary. Not Brooks greatest by far.
Rating:
6/10
-Mastadon
Scott
<mast...@yearight.com> wrote:
>I agree. I think it was partly because Brooks wasn't writing the story. I
>was kind of disappointed that some parts were not embelished at all, the
>book pretty much stuck to the exact same dialogue as the movie. Feelings
>weren't explained very well, thought processes weren't shown. I was
>expecting a little more (or maybe a lot more) than the movie had in it, kind
>of like Jurassic Park. The book also wasn't done very well, it seemed to
>skimp on parts where it needed more and go into detail on parts where no
>detail was necessary. Not Brooks greatest by far.
Well, Jurassic Park the movie was based upon the book, not vice versa as
with Star Wars.
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>
> Review - The Phantom Menace
>
> [note to alt.books.terry-brooks: This is a thread that gets posted to RASSM
> and AFW. Both are Star Wars related newsgroups and this novel being written
> by Terry Brooks, I thought this'd be a good newsgroup to post it to.]
>
> Yikes! I'm late. It took me so long to remember all that stuff to type the
> summary. But I'm here now.
>
> This novel gives so much insight into the novel, what the characters are
> thinking and fills in things like brief histories of the Sith and the Jedi.
>
> I thought the book was paced slowly. It felt that the end came up too soon.
> I like Terry Brooks's other books but this one is at the bottom of that
> list.
He was sort of bound by Lucas' pacing though, wasn't he? That's the way
the movie and screenplay are paced as well.
> The old spacer that Anakin meets in Mos Espa makes me wonder if that's not
> Han Solo's father or related to Han Solo. It's too much of a coincidence
> that he has run the Kessel Run.
I've always been under the impression that the Kessel Run is a regular
route through which a lot of traders/spacers/smugglers fly. It would
have to be in order for "I made the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs" to
be a decent boast. If the Kessel Run were not a regular route, people
would hear that and go "the WHAT run?"
> And that spaces also makes me think that he
> may be a Jedi in disguise. There are thousands of Jedi throughout the galaxy
> and this could be one of them. He sensed Anakin's abilities and encouraged
> him to pursue them.
It's a possibility, but I think if he was really intended as a Jedi in
disguise, it would have been more obvious to the reader, less to Anakin.
> Qui Gon seems to be using his Jedi mind powers too much. He uses it on Watto
> [and fails] and Boss Nass and doesn't even think twice about the morality of
> it. Yoda taught Luke to always use the Force not for personal gain. I can
> understand that they needed to get to Theed and they needed to get the parts
> for the ship but I feel that it still doesn't justify manipulating people
> [aliens? characters?] that way.
I've heard a few other people comment on this, and I disagree. As you
say, each time it is imperative that he achieve Goal A or Goal B, or
what have you. In each case, it's not for his own (or for someone
else's) personal gain; it's a matter of life and death. Now, I agree
that he "forced" the Gungans into giving him transport; however, they
really should have given it to him anyway, if for no other reason than
because he brought a warning to them of the invasion. As far as Watto
goes, he DID try to pay him; Watto just wouldn't accept Republic
credits.
> Something that I found confusing is 3PO's name. He's supposed to be a
> protocol droid. There are other protocol droids that look like him [like the
> one that serves the drinks to Obi-Wan and Qui Gon] and correct me if I'm
> wrong but aren't those droids of the same designation? So that brings me to
> another question. Does C-3PO mean anything besides being the third member in
> the Skywalker family?
Expanded Universe rules state that R2, R5, etc. are model series.
Threepio would fit under that designation in the EU. However, this just
seems a simple case of canon material superceding EU stuff. Perhaps
serial numbers don't follow models, but instead are arbitrary. Which
would explain how C-3PO and TC-14 (the silver droid in the beginning)
are the same model, but named differently.
> I love Tusken Raiders. They're my favourite aliens in the SW galaxy. And we
> finally get a few translated sentences. I liked the part where Anakin
> rescues that downed Raider. That shows that Anakin does have the same
> concern [he was curious at first] for all creatures as Qui Gon does. Like
> father like son? More on this later.
It was okay, IMO. As a critical reader, though, I have to wonder if it
was necessary. It didn't feel like it was to me.
> Cloaking devices! This is new. And I get the feeling that it'll be something
> that will be used during the Clone Wars. What's really interesting is that
> the Empire never used them. If they had, they'd annihilated entire planets
> at whim. Just cloak the Death Star and jump unsuspecting planets and destroy
> them for treason.
>
> I want to know why the decoy Queen sends Padmé out to clean R2. She knows
> that's the real Queen so why send her to clean the droid. It makes no sense
> to me.
Sure it does. Sending "Padme" to clean the droid would imply to
observers that "Padme" is no one of import, not special---which was
exactly the point of disguising the Queen as a servant in the first
place.
> If any of you watched the commercials for the movie, remember the Darth Maul
> commercial. The voice over says, "Fear. Fear attracts the fearful, the
> strong, the weak, the innocent, the corrupt. Fear. Fear is my ally." Anakin
> tells Jar Jar that fear attracts the fearful. I think this is a bit of
> foreshadowing on Lucas's part of Anakin's future.
I certainly hope so.
> And speaking of
> foreshadowing...in Jar Jar speak, Obi-Wan is ObiOne. It makes me wonder if
> the rumour that the older Obi-Wan is really a clone. Lucas is playing mind
> games with us.
I certainl hope not.
> I also have the suspicion that Shmi is Force-sensitive but doesn't use her
> powers. She and Qui Gon seem to be reading each other's minds all the time
> and it may not all be facial expressions.
Much like I said with the Spacer earlier, I think it's unlikely. Lucas
is too good a storyteller and Brooks too good a writer to let something
that important sta so ambiguous to the reader. If either the Spacer or
Shmi were Force-sensitive, the reader would know it.
> Plus Anakin's birth is so strange.
> She doesn't tell Qui Gon who the father is and she goes on to more or less
> describe a virgin birth. Did we see this one coming? Nope. And the way they
> look at each other makes me think that Qui Gon could be Anakin's father.
How do you figure? There was never anything in the text to suggest for
a moment that either of them recognized the other, etc.
> Another clue is that Anakin and Qui Gon seem to have a kinder heart toward
> other creatures/people.
Like attracts like. Nothing more involved than that.
> Anakin gets Jira a cooling unit because she needs it
> for her health. Qui Gon helps Anakin gain his freedom and takes him to the
> Jedi Council even though he knows, his request for training will be turned
> down. They're very much alike.
Which is why Qui-Gon found himself interested in the boy--kindred souls.
> And how can being close to the Force be Qui Gon's weakness? He should be
> 'attentive to the unifying Force' and he's not. What does that all mean?
> Isn't a Jedi's strengths really skills that he/she uses?
One of my biggest beefs with the "Episode One Jedi"---too many changes
from what we've already seen. Two different aspects (living Force and
unifying Force), midi-clorians, Jedi Councils, babies being taken by the
Jedi, etc. I don't like it.
> Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I suspend
> reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
> midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can understand
> that. But how can something physical like something that's in the cells of
> every living thing, be what drives the Force. Other novels come to mind in
> which Luke uses the Force. Or other characters for that matter. I can't
> picture them as using these symbiots to "channel" the Force, if you will.
> This sounds like another let's-come-up-with-something-really-quick subplot
> on Lucas's part.
Agreed. I hope he explains it away somehow, though I fear he won't.
> I liked two parts. One, when Anakin tells Padmé that he will marry her. When
> I read that the first time, I felt like somebody was telling *me* that.
I disagree. If one feels as though such a big future event is being
beaten over their heads....sloppy writing.
> More
> foreshadowing but this time we know it'll happen. The second time is when he
> gives her that little trinket while on their way to Coruscant so she can
> remember him and she tells him that she doesn't need that to remember her
> future husband. I think that at that point she believes him. She can read
> the determination in his eyes.
See, I liked this "future husband" part much better than the previous
one, above. This sort of off-the-cuff mention is effective, whereas the
other is clumsy.
> The lightsaber battles are more visual and can be enjoyed better on the big
> screen. They didn't do anything for me in the novel. And even Qui Gon's
> death doesn't have the same feeling in the novel.
I liked the novel Duel because, unlike the movie, we get an insight into
the thoughts and emotions of the participants. Qui-Gon realizing he's
too old, that Maul is eventually going to beat him; Obi-Wan reflecting
on the fact that Qui-Gon is possibly the greatest Jedi swordsman inthe
galaxy; Qui-Gon thinking that, in a few years, Obi-Wan will be a greater
swordsman than he; etc.
> Overall, I think that this could've been a better novel. I was really
> looking forward to another Brooks book but this one turned out to be not his
> greatest.
I think that, if you feel Brooks could have written a better
book---you're probably right. But this isn't your normal novel. It's a
NOVELIZATION, and not JUST a novelization, but a Star Wars one. He was
handicapped by many things, not the least of which is Lucas' own ideas,
concepts, and desires for the characters, situations, etc.
John D.
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Phoenix
<mnto...@flash.lakeheadu.ca>
>Princess Buttercup wrote:
>
>> Cloaking devices! This is new. And I get the feeling that it'll be something
>> that will be used during the Clone Wars. What's really interesting is that
>> the Empire never used them. If they had, they'd annihilated entire planets
>> at whim. Just cloak the Death Star and jump unsuspecting planets and destroy
>> them for treason.
>
Plus the fact that it would take one hell of a lot of power to run a
cloaking device for something the size of the Death Star.
--
Phoenix
For some things, there is no rational explanation....
Scott
>I've always been under the impression that the Kessel Run is a regular
>route through which a lot of traders/spacers/smugglers fly. It would
>have to be in order for "I made the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs" to
>be a decent boast. If the Kessel Run were not a regular route, people
>would hear that and go "the WHAT run?
Another inaccuracy of the series: a parsec is a measure of distance, not time.
Scott
<Pho...@rebirth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Plus the fact that it would take one hell of a lot of power to run a
>cloaking device for something the size of the Death Star.
Since this is science FICTION, how can you be sure???
sb...@cybertime.net
situation where I felt the movie was actually BETTER than the book.
I'm sure it's difficult to do the novelization for a movie/screenplay.
Especially for George Luca$. He's a bit of a control freak which is
exactly why Star Wars won't be on DVD until 2007 or whatever...
I'm wondering, was Brooks' "Hook" novel any good? The movie wasn't.
In article <Heimdall-080...@hicks204-80.optonline.net>,
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Kristy
post.
My overall take on the book: I expected it to be more in-depth. When I
read the novel of a film, I want it to explain all the little things I
didn't understand in the film, tell me what the characters were
thinking, etc. This book didn't give me that feeling. It felt like a
straight, bare-bones narrative of the script. I repeatedly had the
feeling that if I hadn't seen the film, I wouldn't have had any visuals
conjured up in my mind by the novel. I wasn't very impressed.
To comment on some of Mirza's thoughts:
In article <WZ273.1073$up4...@news.flash.net>,
"Princess Buttercup" <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
> I want to know why the decoy Queen sends Padmé out to clean R2. She
knows
> that's the real Queen so why send her to clean the droid. It makes no
sense
> to me.
According to the kid's book "Amidala's Journal," it's just kind of a
throw-away thing that Sabe does. She probably gets a kick out of it.
And it'll reinforce the illusion.
Yes, I had to read that silly book in Barnes and Noble before I could
figure out where precisely it was Sabe and not Amidala in the funky
robes.
Side note: that journal also mentions that Panaka knows when Amidala's
Padme. I have yet to see hints of this in the film. Time to watch
again? Drat!
> If any of you watched the commercials for the movie, remember the
Darth Maul
> commercial. The voice over says, "Fear. Fear attracts the fearful, the
> strong, the weak, the innocent, the corrupt. Fear. Fear is my ally."
Anakin
> tells Jar Jar that fear attracts the fearful. I think this is a bit of
> foreshadowing on Lucas's part of Anakin's future.
I went flipping through the screenplay to see if that had maybe been in
the script but ended up on the cutting room floor, but it hadn't. That
line would have been effective if it had been in the film.
> And speaking of
> foreshadowing...in Jar Jar speak, Obi-Wan is ObiOne. It makes me
wonder if
> the rumour that the older Obi-Wan is really a clone. Lucas is playing
mind
> games with us.
Dah! No!!! I think it's just the way it came out.
> Anakin's birth is so
strange.
> She doesn't tell Qui Gon who the father is and she goes on to more or
less
> describe a virgin birth. Did we see this one coming? Nope.
My friends have been complaining about the immaculate conception thing,
but that's not how I read what she said in the film. I thought she was
saying there basically was no father except in the biological sense of
the word; she did everything herself. The biological father may have
been a former slave master, or someone forced onto her by a slave
master, and she just didn't want to talk about it. Icky.
This doesn't rule out the "fathered by Midi-chlorians" theory....maybe
the slave-master was meant to do that....
> And the way
they
> look at each other makes me think that Qui Gon could be Anakin's
father.
I actually toyed with the idea of a fanfic along those lines....since
Qui-Gon had been to Tatooine before. But Shmi wasn't on Tatooine until
Anakin was three, so there went that idea.
Unless she lied to her son...hmm. Nahh, I don't really see it
happening.
> Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I
suspend
> reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
> midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can
understand
> that. But how can something physical like something that's in the
cells of
> every living thing, be what drives the Force.
I don't see them driving the Force. I see them as enabling living being
to utilize the Force....but the Force is still the same mystical energy
field it always was.
> The lightsaber battles are more visual and can be enjoyed better on
the big
> screen. They didn't do anything for me in the novel. And even Qui
Gon's
> death doesn't have the same feeling in the novel.
I agree totally.
My rating: 5/10. Sorry, but I'd rather watch the film.
--Prophet Kristy
all is, of course MHO.
You know what they say about the size of a man's X-wing...
--Antilles/Celchu '00--
Kristy
> > I liked two parts. One, when Anakin tells Padmé that he will marry
her. When
> > I read that the first time, I felt like somebody was telling *me*
that.
> I disagree. If one feels as though such a big future event is being
> beaten over their heads....sloppy writing.
I agree with John....the way the film did it was much more subtle. I
saw it coming, but it wasn't being shoved in my face. Like with
Palpy/Darth Sidious.
--Prophet Kristy
pick, pick, pick
When the Bothans get tough, the tough get X-wings.
Jim Fisher
Kessel run a distance competition, the original Star Wars script has parsec
written as "par/sec" -- which, to me, says time more than anything. Just
because a parsec in our universe is distance, doesn't mean that a Star Wars
par/sec has to be as well. KJA also disregarded pre-established continuity
with his description of the Kessel Run (see Russ Manning's comic strips,
reprinted in "Classic Star Wars: The Early Adventures" for the original
Expanded Universe view of the Kessel Run).
The bottom line is that Lucas probably heard the term in school somewhere
along the way, didn't know exactly what it meant (he was not a good
student -- see Skywalking by Dale Pollack), but thought it sounded cool so
he put it in his screenplay.
--
Jim Fisher
http://www.jimfisher.net
Scott <Heim...@spamless.net> wrote in message
news:Heimdall-090...@hicks204-80.optonline.net...
> In article <375E17...@earthlink.net>, wol...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >I've always been under the impression that the Kessel Run is a regular
> >route through which a lot of traders/spacers/smugglers fly. It would
> >have to be in order for "I made the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs" to
> >be a decent boast. If the Kessel Run were not a regular route, people
> >would hear that and go "the WHAT run?
>
> Another inaccuracy of the series: a parsec is a measure of distance, not
time.
>
moo...@my-deja.com
Kristy <hens...@novell.uidaho.edu> wrote:
> Spoilers are ahead, naturally. This should be obvious, as it's an NRG
> post.
Snipping:
> According to the kid's book "Amidala's Journal," it's just kind of a
> throw-away thing that Sabe does. She probably gets a kick out of it.
> And it'll reinforce the illusion.
Decoy humor! I like it! I thought also that Amidala might like to take
part in day to day activities, however dreary - her entourage probably
enjoys a lot more freedom than she does as queen.
> Yes, I had to read that silly book in Barnes and Noble before I could
> figure out where precisely it was Sabe and not Amidala in the funky
> robes.
>
> Side note: that journal also mentions that Panaka knows when Amidala's
> Padme. I have yet to see hints of this in the film. Time to watch
> again? Drat!
You know, I saw TPM again and I specifically looked for clues to this
(okay, yes, it's a little geeky) and I think Panaka simply tells Qui Gon
something to the effect that, "Padme is joining you; the queen is
curious about the planet." If you read (or listen) to that line it
almost sounds like Padme _is_ the queen.
BTW, when do Sabe and Amidala switch? I've been trying to talk to my
husband about this, but he always tells me that I'm putting too much
thought into it!
I like thinking,
Namiko
KYEO
sb...@cybertime.net
that THAT is fiction as well?!?
Just as long as the Shannara world is real, I'm fine...
In article <Heimdall-090...@hicks204-80.optonline.net>,
Heim...@spamless.net (Scott) wrote:
> In article <rqLFBMAH...@rebirth.demon.co.uk>, Phoenix
> <Pho...@rebirth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Plus the fact that it would take one hell of a lot of power to run a
> >cloaking device for something the size of the Death Star.
>
> Since this is science FICTION, how can you be sure???
>
> --
> --------
> To reply, replace "spamless" with "optonline"
>
sb...@cybertime.net
years ago...
"...Get a life!!! It was just a TV show (or insert "movie" since we're
talking about Star Wars)!!! You've taken what was a fun show and
turned it into a collossal waste of time!!!..."
Reminds me of this thread...
:)
In article <Vax73.41$Dd.2...@news1.epix.net>,
> > >I've always been under the impression that the Kessel Run is a
regular
> > >route through which a lot of traders/spacers/smugglers fly. It
would
> > >have to be in order for "I made the Kessel Run in under 12
parsecs" to
> > >be a decent boast. If the Kessel Run were not a regular route,
people
> > >would hear that and go "the WHAT run?
> >
> > Another inaccuracy of the series: a parsec is a measure of
distance, not
> time.
> >
Phoenix
<Heim...@spamless.net>
>In article <rqLFBMAH...@rebirth.demon.co.uk>, Phoenix
><Pho...@rebirth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Plus the fact that it would take one hell of a lot of power to run a
>>cloaking device for something the size of the Death Star.
>
>
>Since this is science FICTION, how can you be sure???
Well, from the line "no ship that small could have a cloaking device"
Since they've got *very* good miniaturisation, it can't be because of
the size, and must be due to the power requirements
--
Phoenix
For some things, there is no rational explanation....
ICQ: 12511601
Scott
>Nevertheless, it (Jurassic Park) was a HORRIBLE book and is one
>situation where I felt the movie was actually BETTER than the book.
OTOH, I thought the book was passable and the movie, aside from neat FX,
was pretty horrible.
Scott
<Pho...@rebirth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Well, from the line "no ship that small could have a cloaking device"
>
>Since they've got *very* good miniaturisation, it can't be because of
>the size, and must be due to the power requirements
That's not logical. It could easily be that the miniaturization is
nevertheless insufficient, or that there was some problem of "physics," or
that "arrays" would be too large for a ship that size.
Again, it's sci-fi--there's no actual answer.
Mastadon
time.
Not only that, but parsecs are based on earth orbital postion. If the story
happened a "long time ago" then these people have no idea what earth is and
therefore have no basis for knowing what a parsec is =)
-Mastadon
B
Actually, the line is "No ship that small has a cloaking device." Not
that it can't, just that no ship that small is outfitted with a cloaking
device in the SW galaxy. Much like our knowing specific models of cars,
I'd imagine.
B
(I *hope* I remembered the line correctly, or I imagine I'll hear about
it soon)
SpammersDie
?>Naboo
> the night before the big celebration.
Why? The only reason this scene's in the book is to misdirect the reader
into thinking Sid's a different person from Palpatine. It can't be
translated to film because Sid wouldn't dress like Sid in that scene: why
would he get dressed up in that incriminating hood just to sit on a balcony
and think? So you would just see Chancellor Palpatine standing on a balcony
thinking, and having an entire scene devoted just to that would tip off the
the average viewer that Palp is more important than he looks. I think TPM
works better keeping Palpatine looking like an incidental character all the
way to the end.
Nicholas Coghlan
impressed. After a bit of though though, I quite like the idea.
The major reason I like it is that it gives a basis for the "The Force
is strong in my family" idea. Since midi-chlorians are in the person's
cells, it makes sense that they can be passed on to offspring.
A couple of other reasons I like it are more book related than movie
related, but here they are:
1. The "Jedi detector" Luke discovers in the Jedi academy trilogy. This
could be some sort of advanced gizmo designed solely to detect the
presence and activity of midichlorians (hence the funny auras for
different people)
2. The fact that some Jedi are really bad at certain Force powers. By
considering the idea of different _types_ of midichlorian (which are
effective for different Jedi powers), it can make sense for a particular
line of Jedi to be poor in particular areas. My example would be the
Halcyon line - terrible at telekinesis, really good at absorbing and
dissipating energy. THe fact that Halcyons' can use telekinesis when
they get completely juiced on energy may be an indication that all the
different types of midichlorian work for all of the Jedi powers - it's
just that different types can perform different tasks using less energy.
Anyway, it may take a little getting used to, but I think this
midi-chlorian idea adds a lot of interesting depth to what we learn
about the force from episodes 4, 5 & 6 - it doesn't contradict anything
(although I am kind of curious as to why neither Obi Wan nor Yoda saw
fit to mention it to Luke).
Bart Barenbrug wrote:
>
> > Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I suspend
> > reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
> > midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can understand
> > that. But how can something physical like something that's in the cells of
> > every living thing, be what drives the Force.
>
> Midi-chlorians do not drive the force. They are just a means to get in touch
> with the Force. Much like metal can conduct electricity, I guess.
>
> > Other novels come to mind in
> > which Luke uses the Force. Or other characters for that matter. I can't
> > picture them as using these symbiots to "channel" the Force, if you will.
>
> They may not be aware that they're using them. Air conducts you voice when
> you speak, so the airwaves can reach the one who's listening to you, but
> you're usually not consciously aware of that. You *would* become aware of
> it if you would try to talk in a vacuum: it wouldn't work (apart from the
> suffocation of course). Just as it wouldn't work to use `force powers'
> when you don't have midi-chlorians (or a very low count).
>
> To me, the Force is still as mystical as it ever was.
>
> Just my comments on the comments,
>
> Bart
--
===============================================
Nicholas Coghlan s34...@student.uq.edu.au
Bachelor of Engineering (Computer Systems)
& Bachelor of Arts (Cognitve Science)
Year IV University of Queensland
===============================================
Nicholas Coghlan
> >route through which a lot of traders/spacers/smugglers fly. It would
> >have to be in order for "I made the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs" to
> >be a decent boast. If the Kessel Run were not a regular route, people
> >would hear that and go "the WHAT run?
>
It started life as an error in the movie only (the ANH novel says
"standard timeparts"). It has since been explained in the recent Han
Solos Trilogy (Book 3, "Rebel Dawn" by A.C. Crispin). To keep it brief -
Crispin says that Han WAS talking about distance when he used the word
"parsec". To find out more - read the book (or trilogy)!
Another point is that the Kessel Run is not so much a regular route, as
it is an infamous one. Smuggler's who had to take it were generally very
well paid - assuming they managed to survive.
>
> --
> --------
> To reply, replace "spamless" with "optonline"
--
Brad Carletti
>>planet. :)
>
>cloaking device for something the size of the Death Star.
>Phoenix
Plus the fact that it would take one hell of a lot of power to run a
laser capable of destroying something the size of Alderaan. :)
Brad Carletti
Australian High Priest of the Crossed Strike Foils
The guy who changes Wedge's X-wing's oil!
"What he did, what Wedge did, without being able to
use the Force made them far more special than any Jedi.
They flew with heart and brains and their entire being."
- Corran Horn, _I,_Jedi_
Star Wars Technical Commentaries
(http://www.theforce.net/swtc/)
Exploding the Myths, Exploring the Facts.
Scott
carl...@hello.net.au (Brad Carletti) wrote:
>Plus the fact that it would take one hell of a lot of power to run a
>laser capable of destroying something the size of Alderaan. :)
Who says it's a laser?
If we're talking physics, none of the ships fire lasers, since lasers are
invisible when viewed from the side unless they pass through a scattering
medium.
Jedi On Wheels
rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc, let's see if they are worth reading....
> >>I'm pretty sure you don't *really* need to sneak the Death Star up on a
> >>planet. :)
> >
> >--
> >Phoenix
>
> laser capable of destroying something the size of Alderaan. :)
>
to build something the size of the Death Star. :)
Edward
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Nathan Ker
Solo's father will be revealed anytime soon.
I agree that some of the visuals-- the sword fights, pod races, etc., are hard
to capture into words, but in terms of the SW books, I think it rates with
Zahn's works. In fact, I think that Brooks gives us a lot of insight into the
minds of each character much more so than the movie. For example, try watching
the final battle between the Jedi and the Sith Lord after re-reading about the
battle. You will catch everything in their minds, making the experience more
complete.
I wish the movie would have shown the scene with Sidious looking out over Naboo
the night before the big celebration.
--
Nathan
-------------------------------------
nat...@uwyo.edu
http://w3.uwyo.edu/~nateker
Just once, I'd like the hero to have to rescue some 60 year old, nasty looking
woman...
Nathan Ker
story writing. Lucas gave Brooks much more freedom than most when it comes
to doing novelizations, but Brooks has also acknowledged that some story
elements were not discussed, thus saving them for parts II and III.
Personally, I would have enjoyed more elaboration in particular parts, but
the novel, overall, was good. I think, in contrast to some, that he does
give great insight into the character of Anikan Skywalker-- which is where
he concentrates his efforts. I also think that his descriptions of the
Jedi sword sequences and fights are much better in terms of their thoughts,
use of the Force, and emotions at the instant. The movie takes care of the
visual and audio aspects, only, but fails to truly show the intricate
details of the positions, relative to Anikan's character, Obi-Wan and
Qui-Gon play. The book captures this in a well designed format.
nate
sb...@cybertime.net wrote:
> Nevertheless, it (Jurassic Park) was a HORRIBLE book and is one
> situation where I felt the movie was actually BETTER than the book.
>
> I'm sure it's difficult to do the novelization for a movie/screenplay.
> Especially for George Luca$. He's a bit of a control freak which is
> exactly why Star Wars won't be on DVD until 2007 or whatever...
>
> I'm wondering, was Brooks' "Hook" novel any good? The movie wasn't.
>
> In article <Heimdall-080...@hicks204-80.optonline.net>,
> Heim...@spamless.net (Scott) wrote:
> > In article <375d...@mindmeld.idcomm.com>, "Mastadon"
> > <mast...@yearight.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I agree. I think it was partly because Brooks wasn't writing the
> story. I
> > >was kind of disappointed that some parts were not embelished at all,
> the
> > >book pretty much stuck to the exact same dialogue as the movie.
> Feelings
> > >weren't explained very well, thought processes weren't shown. I was
> > >expecting a little more (or maybe a lot more) than the movie had in
> it, kind
> > >of like Jurassic Park. The book also wasn't done very well, it
> seemed to
> > >skimp on parts where it needed more and go into detail on parts
> where no
> > >detail was necessary. Not Brooks greatest by far.
> >
> > Well, Jurassic Park the movie was based upon the book, not vice versa
> as
> > with Star Wars.
> >
> > --
> > --------
> > To reply, replace "spamless" with "optonline"
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
--
Andie
processes of the three characters, in particular Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, were very
moving and I found myself feeling the enormity of Qui-Gon's death as a result.
How the quasi-paternal relationship of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan was almost shattered
by Anakin, and how, when they had made up, Qui-Gon had to be taken away. I can
only guess at the emotions that must have racked Obi-Wan, as he cradled
Qui-Gon, mouthing "Master", crying piteously.
Nathan Ker wrote:
--
Andie, who feels great sadness for poor Obi-Wan, the unsung hero.
Jim Fisher
> to build something the size of the Death Star. :)
Do you think the average stormtrooper is able to install a toilet main?
Voort saBinring
Mastadon wrote in message <375e...@mindmeld.idcomm.com>...
>> Another inaccuracy of the series: a parsec is a measure of distance, not
>time.
>
story
>happened a "long time ago" then these people have no idea what earth is and
>therefore have no basis for knowing what a parsec is =)
>
> -Mastadon
AWAY
Voort
Still they call me "Biggy"
Arhthymic
>
> > Overall, I think that this could've been a better novel. I was really
> > looking forward to another Brooks book but this one turned out to be not
> his
> > greatest.
> >
> > Rating:
> > 8/10
>
> I agree. I think it was partly because Brooks wasn't writing the story. I
> was kind of disappointed that some parts were not embelished at all, the
> book pretty much stuck to the exact same dialogue as the movie. Feelings
> weren't explained very well, thought processes weren't shown. I was
> expecting a little more (or maybe a lot more) than the movie had in it, kind
> of like Jurassic Park. The book also wasn't done very well, it seemed to
> skimp on parts where it needed more and go into detail on parts where no
> detail was necessary. Not Brooks greatest by far.
>
> 6/10
>
> -Mastadon
I am really terrified! Brooks fans don't think it's that good?? I
have never forgiven Brooks for his blatent, poorly done, scene-by-scene
rip off of LORD OF THE RINGS, and haven't read anything by him since.
IT is always possible he has become a better writer over the years, but
I sincerely doubt it. I think it is just another sign of how little
value is accorded to the novels. There are only a few writers who are
both competant and have a feel for the Star Wars universe.
-s-
Mastadon
> have never forgiven Brooks for his blatent, poorly done, scene-by-scene
> rip off of LORD OF THE RINGS, and haven't read anything by him since.
> IT is always possible he has become a better writer over the years, but
> I sincerely doubt it. I think it is just another sign of how little
> value is accorded to the novels. There are only a few writers who are
> both competant and have a feel for the Star Wars universe.
Hmmm....I wonder what kind of car you drive? It doesn't happen to be a
blatant, part for part rip off of the original FORD, does it? Epic Fantasy
= group of people going on a quest for a talisman or talismans with which to
destroy the evil baddie. Tolkien may have been the first to do a story like
that, but that definitely does not mean he will be the last, and it doesn't
mean that his is the greatest either. His will always be a classic,
however, while others may not be.
The story with Brooks is that yes, he did base Sword of Shannara off the
Lord of the Rings series. However, he began it in college purely for
himself, with no intentions to publish it. When it was finished (or close
to), he realized that maybe it was good enough to stand on its own and be
published (which it of course was, seeing how many copies were sold). It is
different enough from the LotR series that it is not immediately apparent to
the reader that it stems from the same idea. In fact, it is so different
that it is a HUGE stretch to say that it is a scene-by-scene ripoff. He
didn't just take LotR, white out the names, write in new ones, and hand it
in to a publisher. It weaves an awesome story that can draw a person in,
let them submerse themselves in the story, which is one of the reasons it is
so popular.
-Mastadon
Nathan Ker
invaded. She is wearing the gown with the glowing bulbs at the bottom. The
next scene, the "queen" is wearing the black gown with the black
head-dress. The Jedi's save them and they fly off on their journey to
Coruscant. (By the way, Padme and Amidala are the same person. Sabe
dresses as the queen's decoy and Padme is the name Amidala assumes when
disguised as a handmaiden.)
moo...@my-deja.com wrote:
Nathan Ker
making a mistake by assuming that everyone has watched the movies and read the
books-- enough to let any fan know from the first scene that they are one and
the same person.
Did Darth Bane train Sidious? Has anyone wondered this?
SpammersDie wrote:
> > I wish the movie would have shown the scene with Sidious looking out over
> ?>Naboo
> > the night before the big celebration.
>
> Why? The only reason this scene's in the book is to misdirect the reader
> into thinking Sid's a different person from Palpatine. It can't be
> translated to film because Sid wouldn't dress like Sid in that scene: why
> would he get dressed up in that incriminating hood just to sit on a balcony
> and think? So you would just see Chancellor Palpatine standing on a balcony
> thinking, and having an entire scene devoted just to that would tip off the
> the average viewer that Palp is more important than he looks. I think TPM
> works better keeping Palpatine looking like an incidental character all the
> way to the end.
--
Brad Carletti
>>laser capable of destroying something the size of Alderaan. :)
>
>If we're talking physics, none of the ships fire lasers, since lasers are
>invisible when viewed from the side unless they pass through a scattering
>medium.
Of course, I know you're right. I've long been a disputer of the
lasers in Star Wars, I just forgot this time. It's more an exotic
plasma beam if anything.
>--------
>To reply, replace "spamless" with "optonline"
Brad Carletti
Anakin Starkiller
: > Plus the fact that it would take a hell of a lot of construction workers
: > to build something the size of the Death Star. :)
: Do you think the average stormtrooper is able to install a toilet main?
Probably not, but the above average Star Wars fan can always quote Clerks.
:)
Don't let the Bogan get you down,
-- Starkiller
--
/--------------------------+ / "This is the weopon of a Jedi Knight.
| Anakin Starkiller (*) |--|--|--| \ Not as clumsy or random as a blaster.
| je...@MacroWerx.com |--|--|--| / An elegant weapon for a more civilized
\------------------------- + \ time." -- Obi Wan Kenobi
(-o-) http://www.MacroWerx.com/~jedi/
Jim Fisher
news:7jq087$72u$1...@news1.xs4all.nl...
> Jim Fisher (fis...@rpi.edu) wrote:
> : > Plus the fact that it would take a hell of a lot of construction
workers
> : > to build something the size of the Death Star. :)
>
> : Do you think the average stormtrooper is able to install a toilet main?
>
> Probably not, but the above average Star Wars fan can always quote Clerks.
> :)
Especially if the above average Star Wars fan is also an fairly average
Kevin Smith fan. <g> (seen the movies, bought the comics... you know the
type)
glockperson
<mnto...@flash.lakeheadu.ca> wrote:
>I'm pretty sure you don't *really* need to sneak the Death Star up on a
>planet. :)
I'd just cloak my planet. Plenty of energy there. :)
I suppose someone could try to calculate the orbit of my cloaked
planet to try to get a clean shot, but by that time I could send up a
barage of nasties that make big BOOM!'s to deal with the problem.
glockperson
wrote:
>Hmmm....I wonder what kind of car you drive? It doesn't happen to be a
>blatant, part for part rip off of the original FORD, does it? Epic Fantasy
>= group of people going on a quest for a talisman or talismans with which to
>destroy the evil baddie. Tolkien may have been the first to do a story like
>that,...
See, I think Tolkien was a cop-artist since the first
fantasy/adventure, go-do-great-deads story was Beowulf.
glockperson
<wol...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Princess Buttercup wrote:
>> Plus Anakin's birth is so strange.
>> She doesn't tell Qui Gon who the father is and she goes on to more or less
>> describe a virgin birth. Did we see this one coming? Nope. And the way they
>> look at each other makes me think that Qui Gon could be Anakin's father.
>
>How do you figure? There was never anything in the text to suggest for
>a moment that either of them recognized the other, etc.
My money is on the Emporer (Palpatine(sp?), Darth Sideous) being
Anakin's father. Anakin's mother was a slave. Would a slave admit to
birthing a high-official's illegitimate son? It would certainly
explain why the Force is so strong in Anakin.
Unless, of course, he's Yoda's son... :)
glockperson
wrote:
>My friends have been complaining about the immaculate conception thing,
>but that's not how I read what she said in the film. I thought she was
>saying there basically was no father except in the biological sense of
>the word; she did everything herself. The biological father may have
>been a former slave master, or someone forced onto her by a slave
>master, and she just didn't want to talk about it. Icky.
>
>This doesn't rule out the "fathered by Midi-chlorians" theory....maybe
>the slave-master was meant to do that....
Which is why I maintain that the Emporer could be Anakin's father.
Nicholas Coghlan
>
>
> Of course, I know you're right. I've long been a disputer of the
> lasers in Star Wars, I just forgot this time. It's more an exotic
> plasma beam if anything.
OK, somewhere in the plethora of SW literature there is a description of
the way normal blasters work (The blaster bolt is actually a packet of
high-energy ionized gas - except in the case of bolt from a bowcaster
which is a cloud of ionized gas with a whopping great chunk of metal in
the middle). Anyway, I'm trying to work out if there is any way to
transfer this thoery of operation to a vacuum. I don't think it would
actually hold in a vacuum, because the ionised gas would disperse as
soon as it left the barrel of the gun.
Also, I think we have at least three different sorts of weapon to
describe:
Laser cannons
Turbolasers (I get the impression they are more than just really big
laser cannon)
Ion cannons
Last question - somewhere out there in cyberspace is a web site called
the "Starwars Technical Commentaries". I lost my bookmarks when my hard
drive died, and haven't had a chance to find it again. Anyone care to
enlighten me? (and save me some time hunting for it?)
>
> >--------
> >To reply, replace "spamless" with "optonline"
>
> Brad Carletti
> Australian High Priest of the Crossed Strike Foils
>
> The guy who changes Wedge's X-wing's oil!
>
> "What he did, what Wedge did, without being able to
> use the Force made them far more special than any Jedi.
> They flew with heart and brains and their entire being."
> - Corran Horn, _I,_Jedi_
>
> Star Wars Technical Commentaries
> (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/)
> Exploding the Myths, Exploring the Facts.
--
===============================================
Nicholas Coghlan s34...@student.uq.edu.au
Bachelor of Engineering (Computer Systems)
& Bachelor of Arts (Cognitive Science)
Nicholas Coghlan
>
> Spoilers are ahead, naturally. This should be obvious, as it's an NRG
> post.
>
>
> throw-away thing that Sabe does. She probably gets a kick out of it.
> And it'll reinforce the illusion.
>
> figure out where precisely it was Sabe and not Amidala in the funky
> robes.
>
> Side note: that journal also mentions that Panaka knows when Amidala's
> Padme. I have yet to see hints of this in the film. Time to watch
> again? Drat!
I just saw the moving for the second time, and was paying attention to
Qui-Gonn & Obi-Wan when Amidala revealed herself to Boss Naas. Their
expressions seemed pretty "knowing" - does this match the book?
And on a different topic - does the book explain what the hell the room
the lightsaber battle takes place in is? (not to mention what those red
force fields are?)
>
> --Prophet Kristy
> all is, of course MHO.
>
> You know what they say about the size of a man's X-wing...
> --Antilles/Celchu '00--
>
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Anakin Starkiller
: Anakin Starkiller <je...@freeflow.macrowerx.com> wrote in message
You know I have yet to see with my own eyes any of the ONI Press comics
that are based on Smith's characters, Silent Bob and Jay, though I did
have a brush with Jason Mewes once...
I did however buy those Daredevil comics that Mr. Smith wrote, and I gave
them a try just because I am such a huge Kevin Smith Fan...
To steer it on topic, has any View Askew production mentioned the Great
One yet? I can hope that the Star Wars refrence(s) in DOGMA (And you know
there will be at least ONE) will mention the great one....
We seem to be birds of a feather, Mr. Fisher....
carincos
glockperson kirjoitti viestissä <37609d9b...@24.2.32.71>...
::mucho snippity:::
|
|Which is why I maintain that the Emporer could be Anakin's father.
what a lovely thought.
Luke's grandad asks his grandson to kill his own father, who is grandad's
own son, to fulfill grandson's father's place beside him, the grandad.
what a nice old man the emperor must've been... ;)
Karin
---------------
Qui-Con still could be Anakin's father
Jim Fisher
> that are based on Smith's characters, Silent Bob and Jay, though I did
> have a brush with Jason Mewes once...
Well, I picked up one issue of the ONI Double Feature featuring Jay and
Silent Bob... it was cool... but I was actually referring the Clerks comics
from ONI -- I have issue #1 of Clerks (don't know if more came out...
haven't seen 'em) and the Clerks Holiday Special (which is Star Wars
themed). Very good, very funny stuff.... gotta love seeing Dante and
Randall back in action. ;-)
> To steer it on topic, has any View Askew production mentioned the Great
> One yet? I can hope that the Star Wars refrence(s) in DOGMA (And you know
> there will be at least ONE) will mention the great one....
I don't know of any Wedge references in the Jersey Trilogy.... maybe we'll
see one in Dogma... have to wait until it opens wide to see it, though...
:-(
> We seem to be birds of a feather, Mr. Fisher....
Well, if you like Kubrick and Jethro Tull I'll be freaked out completely...
Princess Buttercup
Bart Barenbrug <Bart.Ba...@philips.com> wrote:
> Princess Buttercup wrote:
> =
>
> > Review - The Phantom Menace
>
> 8< snip 8< (and more snipping below)
>
> > Something that I found confusing is 3PO's name. He's supposed to be
a
> > protocol droid. There are other protocol droids that look like him
[lik=
> e the
> > one that serves the drinks to Obi-Wan and Qui Gon] and correct me
if I'=
> m
> > wrong but aren't those droids of the same designation? So that
brings m=
> e to
> > another question. Does C-3PO mean anything besides being the third
memb=
> er in
> > the Skywalker family?
>
> Doesn't the novel state that "Anakin just named him yesterday" or
somethi=
> ng
> like that. So Anakin just made up a name that he liked, not related
to an=
> y
> of the normal `catalogue' numbers for the droid (such as presumably
TC-14=
> ).
You have a point there...but arent't there other droids with a similar
designation?
>
> > Cloaking devices! This is new.
>
> No, it's not. There's a line in Empire Strikes Back where an imperial
> officer comments that "no ship that small has a cloaking device" when
> the Millenium Falcon has magically disappeared off their scanners
> by attaching itself to the bridge of the Star Destroyer.
Yes but not even TIEs or SDs have cloaking devices or a SSD. So this
just means that cloaking devices were in use back in the Old Republic
but they might've been considered dangerous and the technology 'lost'.
Later on the remnants of the Empire use cloaking devices [The Hand of
Thrawn duology] if we take the later novels as canon [some of us don't].
>
> > I want to know why the decoy Queen sends Padm=E9 out to clean R2.
She k=
> nows
> > that's the real Queen so why send her to clean the droid. It makes
no s=
> ense
> > to me.
>
> It looks to me like a plot device (on Lucas' part) to get Padme'
apart, s=
> o she
> and Jar Jar can meet and have a talk. But that meeting scene doesn't
add =
> that
> much to the story imho.
It seems like unnessary filler to me. And quite pretentious of the
fake queen to send Padmé to clean the droid.
>
> > Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I
suspe=
> nd
> > reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
> > midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can
understan=
> d
> > that. But how can something physical like something that's in the
cells=
> of
> > every living thing, be what drives the Force.
>
> Midi-chlorians do not drive the force. They are just a means to get
in to=
> uch
> with the Force. Much like metal can conduct electricity, I guess.
Ummm....read this again I must. ::grumble::
>
> > Other novels come to mind in
> > which Luke uses the Force. Or other characters for that matter. I
can't=
>
> > picture them as using these symbiots to "channel" the Force, if you
wil=
> l.
>
> They may not be aware that they're using them. Air conducts you voice
whe=
> n
> you speak, so the airwaves can reach the one who's listening to you,
but
> you're usually not consciously aware of that. You *would* become
aware of=
>
> it if you would try to talk in a vacuum: it wouldn't work (apart from
the=
>
> suffocation of course). Just as it wouldn't work to use `force powers'
> when you don't have midi-chlorians (or a very low count).
>
> To me, the Force is still as mystical as it ever was.
It is to me too. I try to understand it and it still a mystery.
>
> Just my comments on the comments,
Just my comments on your comments on the comments.
>
> Bart
>
--
Princess Buttercup, HSH
Antilles/Celchu '00
mir...@flash.net
ICQ: 5767348
Scott
<mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>It seems like unnessary filler to me. And quite pretentious of the
>fake queen to send Padmé to clean the droid.
Unless Padmé instructed the fake queen beforehand to do so.
--
SpammersDie
> > say, each time it is imperative that he achieve Goal A or Goal B, or
> > what have you. In each case, it's not for his own (or for someone
> > else's) personal gain; it's a matter of life and death.
It wasn't for personal gain, but if I steal your car, sell it and give all
the money to starving children in Africa, it's still theft.
KillaKoala
Steve with tongue hanging out.
Scott wrote in message ...
Princess Buttercup
news:Heimdall-130...@hicks214-208.optonline.net...
> In article <7k0vrf$63j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Princess Buttercup
> <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> >It seems like unnessary filler to me. And quite pretentious of the
> >fake queen to send Padmé to clean the droid.
>
>
> Unless Padmé instructed the fake queen beforehand to do so.
*Only* if Padme used to Force to see the future and see the need to clean up
a droid. :)
PB
Princess Buttercup
Phoenix <Pho...@rebirth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> A parchment burned away, revaling a message from Jamie Locus
> <mnto...@flash.lakeheadu.ca>
> >Princess Buttercup wrote:
> >
[re: cloaking devices]
> >I'm pretty sure you don't *really* need to sneak the Death Star up
on a
> >planet. :)
>
> cloaking device for something the size of the Death Star.
> --
> Phoenix
>
> For some things, there is no rational explanation....
They did have the space for a device to cloak the DS. I still wonder if
the Emperor had the plans in his storehouse and would've released them
to protect Imperial ships. We may never find out. :)
And yes...I think that you would need to cloak the DS. Imagine if the
DS had a cloaking device in ANH and the Rebels wouldn't have seen
it...there'd be no New Republic now. :)
Princess Buttercup
je...@MacroWerx.com wrote:
> Jim Fisher (fis...@rpi.edu) wrote:
> : > Plus the fact that it would take a hell of a lot of construction
workers
> : > to build something the size of the Death Star. :)
>
> : Do you think the average stormtrooper is able to install a toilet
main?
>
> Probably not, but the above average Star Wars fan can always quote
Clerks.
> :)
Then that makes me below average. I've never seen this movie. :)
Princess Buttercup
"Jim Fisher" <fis...@rpi.edu> wrote:
> > You know I have yet to see with my own eyes any of the ONI Press
comics
> > that are based on Smith's characters, Silent Bob and Jay, though I
did
> > have a brush with Jason Mewes once...
>
> Well, I picked up one issue of the ONI Double Feature featuring Jay
and
> Silent Bob... it was cool... but I was actually referring the Clerks
comics
> from ONI -- I have issue #1 of Clerks (don't know if more came out...
> haven't seen 'em) and the Clerks Holiday Special (which is Star Wars
> themed). Very good, very funny stuff.... gotta love seeing Dante and
> Randall back in action. ;-)
>
> > To steer it on topic, has any View Askew production mentioned the
Great
> > One yet? I can hope that the Star Wars refrence(s) in DOGMA (And
you know
> > there will be at least ONE) will mention the great one....
>
> I don't know of any Wedge references in the Jersey Trilogy.... maybe
we'll
> see one in Dogma... have to wait until it opens wide to see it,
though...
> :-(
I must ask what reference this is and what is the Jersey Trilogy. I
know what Dogma is about so what would that movie have to do with the
Great One?
Princess Buttercup
glock...@home.com (glockperson) wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:11:33 -0400, Jamie Locus
> <mnto...@flash.lakeheadu.ca> wrote:
>
on a
> >planet. :)
>
>
> I suppose someone could try to calculate the orbit of my cloaked
> planet to try to get a clean shot, but by that time I could send up a
> barage of nasties that make big BOOM!'s to deal with the problem.
Um...you *could* do that if you had the plans to the DS and you knew
where its weakness is. Otherwise...your planet will only be a memory...
<g>
Princess Buttercup
moo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <WZ273.1073$up4...@news.flash.net>,> snip
> > Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I
the
> > midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can
> >in the cells of every living thing, be what drives the Force. Other
> >novels come to mind in which Luke uses the Force. Or other characters
> >channel" the Force, if you will. This sounds like another
> >come-up-with-something-really-quick subplot on Lucas's part.
>
> I thought that the midi-chlorians were based on mitochondria, those
> "things" (for lack of a better word) that lived in the cells. Okay,
> this is way off topic but I read a book when I was little called "The
> Wind in the Door" or something like that, where a little boy's body
was
> likened to a galaxy to his mitochondria and the other "creatures"
> actually living in it. If something happened to the boy or his
> mitochondria, the other would die. These mitochondria were also
> connected somehow to the outside universe, and were able to talk to
> stars and whatnot. The size of the being didn't matter since we were
> _all_ connected to each other, whether mitochondria or mouse or sun.
>
> All in all, for a children's book it was pretty interesting, and for
me
> it made the concept of midi-chlorians a little clearer.
>
> Sorry for being so off-topic, but I couldn't help myself.
This is interesting. But it seems like GL might've plagiarized the
story from that children's book unless it is a book based on TPM. JMO.
Princess Buttercup
sb...@cybertime.net wrote:
> Nevertheless, it (Jurassic Park) was a HORRIBLE book and is one
> situation where I felt the movie was actually BETTER than the book.
>
> I'm sure it's difficult to do the novelization for a movie/screenplay.
> Especially for George Luca$. He's a bit of a control freak which is
> exactly why Star Wars won't be on DVD until 2007 or whatever...
>
> I'm wondering, was Brooks' "Hook" novel any good? The movie wasn't.
Don't even bother looking for this book. It's very bad. I read it [I'm
glad I bought it used] and regretted it. The whole thing is word per
word as in the movie with maybe a couple of things added. "Hook" was
definetly not his best at all. Um...maybe he's just not good at writing
movie novelizations. ::shrug::
Princess Buttercup
"Mastadon" <mast...@yearight.com> wrote:
> > I am really terrified! Brooks fans don't think it's that
good?? I
> > have never forgiven Brooks for his blatent, poorly done, scene-by-
scene
> > rip off of LORD OF THE RINGS, and haven't read anything by him
since.
> > IT is always possible he has become a better writer over the years,
but
> > I sincerely doubt it. I think it is just another sign of how little
> > value is accorded to the novels. There are only a few writers who
are
> > both competant and have a feel for the Star Wars universe.
>
> Hmmm....I wonder what kind of car you drive? It doesn't happen to be
a
> blatant, part for part rip off of the original FORD, does it? Epic
Fantasy
> = group of people going on a quest for a talisman or talismans with
which to
> destroy the evil baddie. Tolkien may have been the first to do a
story like
doesn't
> mean that his is the greatest either. His will always be a classic,
> however, while others may not be.
>
> The story with Brooks is that yes, he did base Sword of Shannara off
the
> Lord of the Rings series. However, he began it in college purely for
> himself, with no intentions to publish it. When it was finished (or
close
> to), he realized that maybe it was good enough to stand on its own
and be
> published (which it of course was, seeing how many copies were
sold). It is
> different enough from the LotR series that it is not immediately
apparent to
> the reader that it stems from the same idea. In fact, it is so
different
> that it is a HUGE stretch to say that it is a scene-by-scene ripoff.
He
> didn't just take LotR, white out the names, write in new ones, and
hand it
> in to a publisher. It weaves an awesome story that can draw a person
in,
> let them submerse themselves in the story, which is one of the
reasons it is
> so popular.
Thank you! You spoke my mind. I read Shannara before I read LOTR and I
only read that series [which I found boring] because of all the hoopla
around it [somebody is trying to get me to read WOT]. I don't find any
similarities between the series besides the 'looking-for-a-talisman'
objective. I still like Brooks even if he writes crapola like "Hook"
and something like TPM.
Princess Buttercup
> > Qui Gon seems to be using his Jedi mind powers too much. He uses it
on Watto
> > [and fails] and Boss Nass and doesn't even think twice about the
morality of
> > it. Yoda taught Luke to always use the Force not for personal gain.
I can
> > understand that they needed to get to Theed and they needed to get
the parts
> > for the ship but I feel that it still doesn't justify manipulating
people
> > [aliens? characters?] that way.
>
> I've heard a few other people comment on this, and I disagree. As you
> say, each time it is imperative that he achieve Goal A or Goal B, or
> what have you. In each case, it's not for his own (or for someone
> else's) personal gain; it's a matter of life and death. Now, I agree
> that he "forced" the Gungans into giving him transport; however, they
> really should have given it to him anyway, if for no other reason than
> because he brought a warning to them of the invasion. As far as Watto
> goes, he DID try to pay him; Watto just wouldn't accept Republic
> credits.
I don't think the Gungans were going to give them transport. They
didn't like outlanders much less the Naboo or any help that the Jedi
were trying to get to the Naboo. I think that's why Qui Gon used
another Jedi mind trick.
[more sporking]
>
> Sure it does. Sending "Padme" to clean the droid would imply to
> observers that "Padme" is no one of import, not special---which was
> exactly the point of disguising the Queen as a servant in the first
> place.
But couldn't you tell at that point that Padme was really the Queen?
Besides the voice was different in the clone too.
[more sporking]
>
> How do you figure? There was never anything in the text to suggest
for
> a moment that either of them recognized the other, etc.
There wasn't anything on the surface but there sure was something in
between the lines in both the movie and the novel. Maybe they have a
mutual agreement to not recognize each other knowingly.
[more sporking]
>
> One of my biggest beefs with the "Episode One Jedi"---too many changes
> from what we've already seen. Two different aspects (living Force and
> unifying Force), midi-clorians, Jedi Councils, babies being taken by
the
> Jedi, etc. I don't like it.
I don't like it either. But it also has to do with having to actually
give the Jedi a background. That brings up another point that's been
discussed to death in rassm. Who really trained Obi-Wan....Qui Gon or
Yoda?
Anakin Starkiller
: I must ask what reference this is and what is the Jersey Trilogy. I
: know what Dogma is about so what would that movie have to do with the
: Great One?
The Jersy Trilogy (soon to be a Quadogy) are Three Films Written &
Directed by Kevin Smith, Clerks, Mallrats, and Chasing Amy. Smith is a
HUGE Star Wars fan and usually has scenes that would fit seamlessly into
the minutae that is discussed on alt.fan.wedge. I would imagine if KJevin
Smith has USENET access and knew about alt.fan.wedge he would probably
particiapate.... perhaps he already does under a pseudonym... or perhaps
he lurks... we should find out, and lobby for a Wedge Refrence in the
next film he does. :)
DLTBGYD,
Canis D.
Princess Buttercup <mir...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:7k25b0$gid$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <rqLFBMAH...@rebirth.demon.co.uk>,
> Phoenix <Pho...@rebirth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > A parchment burned away, revaling a message from Jamie Locus
> > <mnto...@flash.lakeheadu.ca>
> > >Princess Buttercup wrote:
> > >
> [re: cloaking devices]
> on a
> > >planet. :)
> >
> > cloaking device for something the size of the Death Star.
> > --
> > Phoenix
> >
> > For some things, there is no rational explanation....
>
> They did have the space for a device to cloak the DS. I still wonder if
> the Emperor had the plans in his storehouse and would've released them
> to protect Imperial ships. We may never find out. :)
>
> And yes...I think that you would need to cloak the DS. Imagine if the
> DS had a cloaking device in ANH and the Rebels wouldn't have seen
> it...there'd be no New Republic now. :)
>
>
But remember, the primary purpose of the Death Star was to inspire fear and
dread. While not knowing where it is might be useful, it's not as
frightening IMO as watching it slowly approach your planet and knowing that
you are about to become part of a new asteroid belt. Frankly, the Empire
should have made a couple dozen giant "inflatable Death Stars" and sent them
out to put the fear of (insert favorite deity or deities) into the locals.
Most of them would never know the difference, they'd be too scared to try
and take a close look and those few that wouldn't immediately start spit
shining the Emperor's boots could be destroyed by the real DS.
Canis D.
---------------------
"Few are the problems that cannot be resolved
by a suitable application of concentrated PPC fire"
Scott
<mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>*Only* if Padme used to Force to see the future and see the need to clean up
>a droid. :)
Not at all. Clearly, R2D2 wasn't sucked back into the ship and rushed to
the "queen" moments after it repaired the ship. There would have to be a
certain time period where the "queen" would be prepared to receive an
audience--and she wouldn't be oblivious to what had happened. During that
time period, Padmé could easily have ordered her bodyguard/queen imposter
to arrange to get her alone with the 'droid (even if she didn't
specifically tell the bodyguard to use the "clean it" excuse).
moo...@my-deja.com
Princess Buttercup <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
> This is interesting. But it seems like GL might've plagiarized the
> story from that children's book unless it is a book based on TPM. JMO.
Well, the book has to be around 20 years old (ooh, I've just dated
myself big time!). GL is "inspired" by many sources, it wouldn't
surprise me one bit if one of his kids had read the book or something.
:)
Namiko
KYEO
glockperson
<mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>Antilles/Celchu '00
ROFWL!! Now *that* is funny!! I wonder how many folks here get it.
Princess Buttercup
je...@MacroWerx.com wrote:
> Princess Buttercup (mir...@flash.net) wrote:
>
> : I must ask what reference this is and what is the Jersey Trilogy. I
> : know what Dogma is about so what would that movie have to do with
the
> : Great One?
>
> The Jersy Trilogy (soon to be a Quadogy) are Three Films Written &
> Directed by Kevin Smith, Clerks, Mallrats, and Chasing Amy. Smith is a
> HUGE Star Wars fan and usually has scenes that would fit seamlessly
into
> the minutae that is discussed on alt.fan.wedge. I would imagine if
KJevin
> Smith has USENET access and knew about alt.fan.wedge he would probably
> particiapate.... perhaps he already does under a pseudonym... or
perhaps
> he lurks... we should find out, and lobby for a Wedge Refrence in the
> next film he does. :)
Um....Silent Bob and Jay...I seem to remember watching a scene where
Silent Bob is hanging upside down and he's trying to reach a
screwdriver. He starts going throught the Luke in the Hoth ice cave
thing. It was pretty funny. I guess I ought to add those movies to my
list of movies to watch. Thanks for the explanation. :)
--
Princess Buttercup, HSH
Antilles/Celchu '00
mir...@flash.net
ICQ: 5767348
Princess Buttercup
"Canis D." <canis...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Princess Buttercup <mir...@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:7k25b0$gid$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <rqLFBMAH...@rebirth.demon.co.uk>,
> > Phoenix <Pho...@rebirth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > A parchment burned away, revaling a message from Jamie Locus
> > > <mnto...@flash.lakeheadu.ca>
> > > >Princess Buttercup wrote:
> > > >
> > [re: cloaking devices]
> >
wonder if
> > the Emperor had the plans in his storehouse and would've released
them
> > to protect Imperial ships. We may never find out. :)
> >
> > And yes...I think that you would need to cloak the DS. Imagine if
the
> > DS had a cloaking device in ANH and the Rebels wouldn't have seen
fear and
> dread. While not knowing where it is might be useful, it's not as
> frightening IMO as watching it slowly approach your planet and
knowing that
> you are about to become part of a new asteroid belt. Frankly, the
Empire
> should have made a couple dozen giant "inflatable Death Stars" and
sent them
> out to put the fear of (insert favorite deity or deities) into the
locals.
> Most of them would never know the difference, they'd be too scared to
try
> and take a close look and those few that wouldn't immediately start
spit
> shining the Emperor's boots could be destroyed by the real DS.
You do have a point there. I like the "inflatable Death Stars"
idea. ::giggles::
glockperson
wrote:
>glockperson kirjoitti viestissä <37609d9b...@24.2.32.71>...
>::mucho snippity:::
>|
>|Which is why I maintain that the Emporer could be Anakin's father.
>
>what a lovely thought.
>Luke's grandad asks his grandson to kill his own father, who is grandad's
>own son, to fulfill grandson's father's place beside him, the grandad.
>what a nice old man the emperor must've been... ;)
I don't think anyone would argue if I said he was a cranky old fart.
:)
>Qui-Con still could be Anakin's father
Possibly. However, were that true, Anakin's sensitivity to the Force
wouldn't have been a surpise to Qui-Gon as it was.
Princess Buttercup
moo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <7k27lq$h61$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Princess Buttercup <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> > This is interesting. But it seems like GL might've plagiarized the
> > story from that children's book unless it is a book based on TPM.
JMO.
>
> Well, the book has to be around 20 years old (ooh, I've just dated
> myself big time!). GL is "inspired" by many sources, it wouldn't
> surprise me one bit if one of his kids had read the book or something.
::giggles:: Okeday. Thanks for telling that. About the book...not your
age. ;)
> :)
--
Princess Buttercup, HSH
Antilles/Celchu '00
mir...@flash.net
ICQ: 5767348
Princess Buttercup
sb...@cybertime.net wrote:
> Anyone remember this line from a Saturday Night Live episode around 10
> years ago...
>
> "...Get a life!!! It was just a TV show (or insert "movie" since
we're
> talking about Star Wars)!!! You've taken what was a fun show and
> turned it into a collossal waste of time!!!..."
>
> Reminds me of this thread...
Hehehe...thanks...I think. It was William Shatner speaking to a group
of Trekkies in a convention. Quite funny. :P
RSSchone
>discussed to death in rassm. Who really trained Obi-Wan....Qui Gon or
>Yoda?
I actually don't see that one as hard to figure out if you've read the Jedi
Apprentice series. In that, it becomes clear that Yoda is in charge of the
young ones training at the Jedi Temple up until they are taken to be a Padawan
by a Master or Knight. So, Obi-Wan spent nearly 13 years at the temple under
the instruction of Yoda (thereby being his student) and then he spent the next
13 or so years under the instruction of Qui-Gon as his Padawan.
Anyway, as I see it, the answer is that he was trained by both :-).
sb...@cybertime.net
The first few movies weren't bad, and the ?fifth? one was good, but
after that...
As far as this thread goes, all of the speculation gets old after
awhile. It makes me wonder if the SW fanatics will have this kind of
enthusiasm about rumors and speculation until the next movie comes
out. Me, I've got other (not better) things to do...
In article <7k4d7k$9r4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Tony Healey
gave him a five min standing ovation
Tony
Princess Buttercup <mir...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Nathan Ker
story presented in the movie. In fact, he proclaimed that he would never do
a movie novelization again, but Lucas has a way of getting who he wants for
the job. He allowed Brooks a lot of freedom in character development and
story line issues.
Princess Buttercup wrote:
> In article <7jm563$odr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> sb...@cybertime.net wrote:
> > Nevertheless, it (Jurassic Park) was a HORRIBLE book and is one
> > situation where I felt the movie was actually BETTER than the book.
> >
> > I'm sure it's difficult to do the novelization for a movie/screenplay.
> > Especially for George Luca$. He's a bit of a control freak which is
> > exactly why Star Wars won't be on DVD until 2007 or whatever...
> >
> > I'm wondering, was Brooks' "Hook" novel any good? The movie wasn't.
>
> Don't even bother looking for this book. It's very bad. I read it [I'm
> glad I bought it used] and regretted it. The whole thing is word per
> word as in the movie with maybe a couple of things added. "Hook" was
> definetly not his best at all. Um...maybe he's just not good at writing
> movie novelizations. ::shrug::
>
> --
> Princess Buttercup, HSH
> Antilles/Celchu '00
> mir...@flash.net
> ICQ: 5767348
>
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Scott
<Tony....@tesco.net> wrote:
>I thought he told a group of trekkies (about 20k) to "Get a Life" after they
>gave him a five min standing ovation
It was part of a SNL episode.
Tony Healey
thinking about it 20k is a lot of people.
Theres also the old english phrase
"many a true word is spoken in jest"
Rich Handley <CardSaf...@unix.asb.com> wrote in message
news:FDFwu...@news2.new-york.net...
> Tony....@tesco.net wrote:
> >I thought he told a group of trekkies (about 20k) to "Get a Life" after
they
> >gave him a five min standing ovation
>
> Heh heh heh.... I love it when I see the game "Telephone" in action.
> :) The above is a very exaggerated version of what really happened.
> He said "get a life" as a joke on a Saturday Night Live episode, in a
> sketch about a convention. There were about 30 or so people with him
> on the stage at the time, posing as convention guests (not exactly
> 20K... heh heh...) He was completely kidding at the time -- and even
> prefaced the sketch with that qualifier -- but a few vocal idiots
> decided to make a MUCH bigger deal of it than it ever was.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rich Handley (Card...@NO-SPAMunix.asb.com)
>
Rich Handley
Princess Buttercup
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> The movie producers of Hook would not allow Terry Brooks to expand on
the
> story presented in the movie. In fact, he proclaimed that he would
never do
> a movie novelization again, but Lucas has a way of getting who he
wants for
> the job. He allowed Brooks a lot of freedom in character development
and
> story line issues.
This I didn't know. Thanks for letting me know. It puts "Hook" under a
different light. :)
Dionysus
demeaning tasks that may crop up to make absolutely sure that even to
the other passengers on board their nubian than it appeared that padme
was just another assistant to the queen and not favoured in any way...
BTW, nice nick....just watched the movie it came from for the first
time last night....its pretty cool for a kids movie.
-dionysus
On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:23:14 GMT, "Princess Buttercup"
<mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>Scott <Heim...@spamless.net> wrote in message
>news:Heimdall-130...@hicks214-208.optonline.net...
>> In article <7k0vrf$63j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Princess Buttercup
>> <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>>
>> >It seems like unnessary filler to me. And quite pretentious of the
>> >fake queen to send Padmé to clean the droid.
>>
>>
>> Unless Padmé instructed the fake queen beforehand to do so.
>
>*Only* if Padme used to Force to see the future and see the need to clean up
>a droid. :)
>
>PB
Princess Buttercup
Kristy <hens...@novell.uidaho.edu> wrote:
> Spoilers are ahead, naturally. This should be obvious, as it's an NRG
> post.
>
> My overall take on the book: I expected it to be more in-depth. When
I
> read the novel of a film, I want it to explain all the little things I
> didn't understand in the film, tell me what the characters were
> thinking, etc. This book didn't give me that feeling. It felt like a
> straight, bare-bones narrative of the script. I repeatedly had the
> feeling that if I hadn't seen the film, I wouldn't have had any
visuals
> conjured up in my mind by the novel. I wasn't very impressed.
>
> To comment on some of Mirza's thoughts:
>
> In article <WZ273.1073$up4...@news.flash.net>,
> "Princess Buttercup" <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
> > I want to know why the decoy Queen sends Padmé out to clean R2. She
> knows
> > that's the real Queen so why send her to clean the droid. It makes
no
> sense
> > to me.
>
> According to the kid's book "Amidala's Journal," it's just kind of a
> throw-away thing that Sabe does. She probably gets a kick out of it.
> And it'll reinforce the illusion.
Ah. Sort of "take this, you evil queen!"...hehehe...NOT! ;)
>
> Yes, I had to read that silly book in Barnes and Noble before I could
> figure out where precisely it was Sabe and not Amidala in the funky
> robes.
The only reason that I'd get them now is for the kids I don't have.
Yeah...that's why. ;)
>
> Side note: that journal also mentions that Panaka knows when Amidala's
> Padme. I have yet to see hints of this in the film. Time to watch
> again? Drat!
This is never shown in the movie. Actually, Panaka is as surprised as
everybody else is when she reveals her true identity.
>
> > If any of you watched the commercials for the movie, remember the
> Darth Maul
> > commercial. The voice over says, "Fear. Fear attracts the fearful,
the
> > strong, the weak, the innocent, the corrupt. Fear. Fear is my ally."
> Anakin
> > tells Jar Jar that fear attracts the fearful. I think this is a bit
of
> > foreshadowing on Lucas's part of Anakin's future.
>
> I went flipping through the screenplay to see if that had maybe been
in
> the script but ended up on the cutting room floor, but it hadn't.
That
> line would have been effective if it had been in the film.
It could have but that line is not spoken by Darth Maul in the movie
either. So I don't see how it could've made any difference in the movie
if Maul hadn't said it too.
>
> > And speaking of
> > foreshadowing...in Jar Jar speak, Obi-Wan is ObiOne. It makes me
> wonder if
> > the rumour that the older Obi-Wan is really a clone. Lucas is
playing
> mind
> > games with us.
>
> Dah! No!!! I think it's just the way it came out.
I don't think so. :)
>
> > Anakin's birth is so
> strange.
> > She doesn't tell Qui Gon who the father is and she goes on to more
or
> less
> > describe a virgin birth. Did we see this one coming? Nope.
>
> My friends have been complaining about the immaculate conception
thing,
> but that's not how I read what she said in the film. I thought she
was
> saying there basically was no father except in the biological sense of
> the word; she did everything herself. The biological father may have
> been a former slave master, or someone forced onto her by a slave
> master, and she just didn't want to talk about it. Icky.
I thought that too but the look in her eyes leads me to think there's
more that she's hiding.
>
> This doesn't rule out the "fathered by Midi-chlorians" theory....maybe
> the slave-master was meant to do that....
But how would the master know anything about midi-chlorians? Only the
Jedi are supposed to have this information. And to what purpose would
it be to 'bear' a child with midi-chlorians if you're not going
to 'keep' it as a slave or otherwise?
>
> > And the way
> they
> > look at each other makes me think that Qui Gon could be Anakin's
> father.
>
> I actually toyed with the idea of a fanfic along those lines....since
> Qui-Gon had been to Tatooine before. But Shmi wasn't on Tatooine
until
> Anakin was three, so there went that idea.
You can play around with it. It's worth a shot.
>
> Unless she lied to her son...hmm. Nahh, I don't really see it
> happening.
She could have. Just try it! :)
>
> > Now...this midi-chlorian stuff sounds very far fetched. Even if I
> suspend
> > reality for a long time, I can't believe or understand what the
> > midi-chlorians are all about. I know about symbiots and I can
> understand
> > that. But how can something physical like something that's in the
> cells of
> > every living thing, be what drives the Force.
>
> I don't see them driving the Force. I see them as enabling living
being
> to utilize the Force....but the Force is still the same mystical
energy
> field it always was.
>
> > The lightsaber battles are more visual and can be enjoyed better on
> the big
> > screen. They didn't do anything for me in the novel. And even Qui
> Gon's
> > death doesn't have the same feeling in the novel.
>
> I agree totally.
>
> My rating: 5/10. Sorry, but I'd rather watch the film.
Me too. I've only seen it three times so far and every time I go see
it, it's like the very first time. I really like the movie a whole lot
more than the novel.
--
Princess Buttercup, HSH
Antilles/Celchu '00
mir...@flash.net
ICQ: 5767348
"RASSM. RASSM attracts the idiotic, the inane, the paranoid, the
obssessive, the anal. RASSM. RASSM is my ally." - Sal Waterfall
Princess Buttercup
mp3...@hotmail.com (Dionysus) wrote:
> or alternatively, Padme just instructed the fake queen to give her any
> demeaning tasks that may crop up to make absolutely sure that even to
> the other passengers on board their nubian than it appeared that padme
> was just another assistant to the queen and not favoured in any way...
That is another way of looking at it. Or maybe the Queen needed a
little lesson in humility. :)
>
> BTW, nice nick....just watched the movie it came from for the first
> time last night....its pretty cool for a kids movie.
Hehehe...thanks. I love it when people do recognize that I *truly* am
16 years old. :)
sb...@cybertime.net
(I refuse to use the term "Trekkers" get all hyper when something like
this happens. It's like trying to tell them that it really IS just a
television show. Blasphemy!
In article <FDFwu...@news2.new-york.net>,
SpammersDie
> In article <7kj6rv$kpr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Princess Buttercup
> <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> >Okay...I saw the movie again yesterday and I watched Panaka's face
> >while Padme is revealing her true identity and he doesn't react to it.
> >So you were right. He must've known about the switching.
>
>
> ... or the acting wasn't mirco-monitored carefully enough.
Is this really worth any controversy. Of course he's in on the arrangement.
Panaka's responsible for the safety of the Queen. If a sudden firefight
broke out and he had to make a choice, would they really want Panaka to
protect the decoy instead of the queen?
Princess Buttercup
Princess Buttercup <mir...@flash.net> wrote:
> In article <7jm5nh$olh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Kristy <hens...@novell.uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > Side note: that journal also mentions that Panaka knows when
Amidala's
> > Padme. I have yet to see hints of this in the film. Time to watch
> > again? Drat!
>
> This is never shown in the movie. Actually, Panaka is as surprised as
> everybody else is when she reveals her true identity.
Okay...I saw the movie again yesterday and I watched Panaka's face
while Padme is revealing her true identity and he doesn't react to it.
So you were right. He must've known about the switching.
--
Princess Buttercup, HSH
Antilles/Celchu '00
mir...@flash.net
ICQ: 5767348
"RASSM. RASSM attracts the idiotic, the inane, the paranoid, the
obsessive, the anal. RASSM. RASSM is my ally." - Sal Waterfall
Scott
<mir...@flash.net> wrote:
>Okay...I saw the movie again yesterday and I watched Panaka's face
>while Padme is revealing her true identity and he doesn't react to it.
>So you were right. He must've known about the switching.
... or the acting wasn't mirco-monitored carefully enough.
--
Vorsuc
sb...@cybertime.net wrote in message <7k5pdo$o2j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>It was hilarious, especially because I'm a Star Trek (TV show) hater.
>The first few movies weren't bad, and the ?fifth? one was good, but
>after that...
>
Sorry but I don't even rate the Trek films before Generations.......dull,
dull, dull.
First contact kicked ass though.....even for a Star Wars fan like
myslef...the bit where Jean-luc loses his cool about not blowing up the
ship....hehehe. Insurection was cool too....Frakes is doing a brilliant job
or directing them and look mother ! COLOUR......if only more directors used
such vivid sets.....oh, hang on...Joel Schumacher does.....*thinks*
ok.....use colour....but not overly and do not, I repeat DO NOT turn a class
piece of dark / adult / goth comic work.......into a garish, Americana, 100%
cheese, mindless film......
ok, Rant over....
Vorsuc
Pete Briggs
> Sorry but I don't even rate the Trek films before Generations.......dull,
> dull, dull.
> First contact kicked ass though.....
Er..um. We might be talking something "Generation-Gap" here (if you'll
pardon the pun.)
Both "Generations" (which I thought was one of the worst, most boring
films I've ever had to sit through) and "Insurrection" were insults to
the art of moviemaking. "First Contact" was slightly better than
acceptable in places, but the invention of the Borg Queen screwed up
what the Borg were about to begin with, and the "fight" on the deflector
dish was about as exciting as a riverside picnic.
The best Treks so far have been "Wrath Of Khan" (which was pretty damn
exciting, back in its day); "Voyage Home" (novel for its time, doesn't
really hold up to repeat viewing); and "Undiscovered Country" (which
only really fails once or twice)
SpammersDie
Mark Maddoux <madd...@home.com> wrote in message
news:NGad3.4297$6K2....@news.rdc1.tx.home.com...
> Hey, I am a major Star Trek fan, And I saw Insurection the day it came
out.
> I thought it was far better than Titanic, which realy stunk. TPM doesnt
> compare to Insurection in my eyes, the book did but not the movie. IT was
> just a remake of A New Hope!!!
Which bad guy was the winner at the end of SW:ANH?
Rich Handley
>Both "Generations" (which I thought was one of the worst, most boring
>films I've ever had to sit through) and "Insurrection" were insults to
>the art of moviemaking. "First Contact" was slightly better than
>acceptable in places, but the invention of the Borg Queen screwed up
>what the Borg were about to begin with, and the "fight" on the deflector
>dish was about as exciting as a riverside picnic.
I'm a Trek fan from WAY back, and I think Insurrection was one of the
best Trek stories in years, easily ranking right up there with II, IV,
and VI.
Sincerely,
Rich Handley (Card...@NO-SPAMunix.asb.com)
Walker
> best Trek stories in years, easily ranking right up there with II, IV,
> and VI.
I thought that Insurrection was excellent for a normal episode of Star
Trek: Next Gen, but as a movie it didn't live up to the expectations i
had. First Contact has got to be the best Next Gen movie. I can't
stand the old star trek crew. which movie was the one where they had to
save the whales? that was one of the stupidist movies i ever saw.
--
Walker,
_______________________
The Terry Brooks Experience
http://isleofavalon.com/walker/
e l w e n
> > I'm a Trek fan from WAY back, and I think Insurrection was one of the
> > best Trek stories in years, easily ranking right up there with II, IV,
> > and VI.
>
> I thought that Insurrection was excellent for a normal episode of Star
> Trek: Next Gen, but as a movie it didn't live up to the expectations i
> had. First Contact has got to be the best Next Gen movie. I can't
> stand the old star trek crew. which movie was the one where they had to
> save the whales? that was one of the stupidist movies i ever saw.
Althought this maybe a wee bit off-topic to either of the newsgroups this
is being posted in, I agree with you that 'First Contact' was probably the
best one of the TNG crew.
--
e l w e n
"All that is not given is lost..." - Hasar Pal
Mark Maddoux
I thought it was far better than Titanic, which realy stunk. TPM doesnt
compare to Insurection in my eyes, the book did but not the movie. IT was
away, kid destroyes something big, droid command center/ death star, kid
wants to become a jedi, Jedi dies, kid goes and trains under different jedi.
Did anyone else see the resembelance?
Rich Handley
Yeah, but there was a lot more there that you overlooked,
subtext-wise.
Sincerely,
Rich Handley (Card...@NO-SPAMunix.asb.com)
Vorsuc
Mark Maddoux wrote in message ...
>Hey, I am a major Star Trek fan, And I saw Insurection the day it came
out.
>I thought it was far better than Titanic, which realy stunk. TPM doesnt
>compare to Insurection in my eyes, the book did but not the movie. IT was
>just a remake of A New Hope!!! Hmm, kid on Tatoine Jedi comes, takes him
>away, kid destroyes something big, droid command center/ death star, kid
>wants to become a jedi, Jedi dies, kid goes and trains under different
jedi.
>Did anyone else see the resembelance?
>
>
Insurection better than TPM ?? *smirks* whatever
Vorsuc
KillaKoala
sidekick.
This is what i say said Steve,
sb...@cybertime.net
"Vorsuc" <Vor...@ravensroost100.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> sb...@cybertime.net wrote in message <7k5pdo$o2j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >It was hilarious, especially because I'm a Star Trek (TV show) hater.
> >The first few movies weren't bad, and the ?fifth? one was good, but
> >after that...
> >
>
Generations.......dull,
> dull, dull.
> myslef...the bit where Jean-luc loses his cool about not blowing up
the
> ship....hehehe. Insurection was cool too....Frakes is doing a
brilliant job
> or directing them and look mother ! COLOUR......if only more
directors used
> such vivid sets.....oh, hang on...Joel Schumacher does.....*thinks*
> ok.....use colour....but not overly and do not, I repeat DO NOT turn
a class
> piece of dark / adult / goth comic work.......into a garish,
Americana, 100%
> cheese, mindless film......
> ok, Rant over....
>
> Vorsuc
Jeez. Generations... Didn't see it. I refuse to become a trekkie or
trekker or whatever. The movies just seem to regurgitate the same crap
over and over and over...
However, I thought the first few Star Trek movies were good. I even
liked the first. I didn't see the one about God, and I didn't see the
last one. But Kirk ruled. Picard just postures. "Engage!" :)
sb...@cybertime.net
In article <1dtygwm.i5i...@camshaft.demon.co.uk>,
pe...@camshaft.demon.co.uk (Pete Briggs) wrote:
> Vorsuc <Vor...@ravensroost100.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sorry but I don't even rate the Trek films before
Generations.......dull,
> > dull, dull.
> > First contact kicked ass though.....
>
> Er..um. We might be talking something "Generation-Gap" here (if
you'll
> pardon the pun.)
>
> Both "Generations" (which I thought was one of the worst, most boring
> films I've ever had to sit through) and "Insurrection" were insults to
> the art of moviemaking. "First Contact" was slightly better than
> acceptable in places, but the invention of the Borg Queen screwed up
> what the Borg were about to begin with, and the "fight" on the
deflector
> dish was about as exciting as a riverside picnic.
>
> The best Treks so far have been "Wrath Of Khan" (which was pretty damn
> exciting, back in its day); "Voyage Home" (novel for its time, doesn't
> really hold up to repeat viewing); and "Undiscovered Country" (which
> only really fails once or twice)
>
sb...@cybertime.net
"We are looking for the nuclear wessles"
"Computer? Computer?!?" (speaking into mouse)
<punk rocker flips off Kirk and Spock - Spock performs Vulcan Neck
Pinch and punk rocker immediately passes out>
Hilarious stuff! Ok, it stunk.
In article <3775C0...@isleofavalon.com>,
wal...@isleofavalon.com wrote:
> > I'm a Trek fan from WAY back, and I think Insurrection was one of
the
> > best Trek stories in years, easily ranking right up there with II,
IV,
> > and VI.
>
> I thought that Insurrection was excellent for a normal episode of Star
> Trek: Next Gen, but as a movie it didn't live up to the expectations i
> had. First Contact has got to be the best Next Gen movie. I can't
> stand the old star trek crew. which movie was the one where they had
to
> save the whales? that was one of the stupidist movies i ever saw.
>
> --
> Walker,
> _______________________
> The Terry Brooks Experience
> http://isleofavalon.com/walker/
>
>