Rogue/Wraith Casting: Last Call
Kristy Henscheid
The initial arguments over casting have petered out, but here's your last
chance to suggest any nominees for our second AFW Casting Poll. I've gone
through the Dramatis Personae lists and added people we haven't yet cast
in this thread--not surprisingly, they're mostly nonhuman. I didn't write
down *everyone*. Feel free to add if you wish.
A few additional notes:
For the nonhumans, I suggest, instead of trying to think of people who
would be good in a suit, try to think of people who would be good as the
human equivalent of the nonhuman character. Don't know if that will work,
but...
The old casting poll is, of course, up on Classic Threads at
AFWCentral. This includes comments we got from Mike and Aaron. There is
no problem with repeating any of these nominations--in fact, I already
did, for a few of them.
Go ahead and argue these out, if you'd like. I have no problem with you
stating your reasons for your choices! Also, if there's a preference for
actor based on time (old vs. young Wedge etc), I can create dual
categories.
I'll run a vote in a few weeks or when there's no more dicussion on this,
and it will be chad-free. (oy, even I'm not beyond them!)
The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
Jr, Michael DeLuise
[did you really think I wouldn't try to influence *that* one? I happen to
quite like my idea...]
Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
Bror: Matthew McConaughey
Erisi: Winona Ryder, Clare Danes, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku
Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow
Inyri: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Yeoh, Eliza Dushku, Gwyneth Paltrow
Gavin: Christian Bale
Phanan: Nicholas Cage, Edward Norton, Chris Barrie
Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River Pheonix,
Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
Kell: Casper Van Dien
Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
Falynn: Clare Danes, Winona Ryder
Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
Shalla: Bianca Lawson, Michelle Yeoh, Jessica Alba
Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
Dia: Michelle Yeoh
Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
Fliry Vorru: Ralph Fiennes, Armin Shimerman
Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John Rhys-Davies,
Sammo Hung
Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
Bror: David Boreanz
Ooryl
Nawara
Rhysati
Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
Pash
Iella
Winter
Asyr
Elscol
Plourr
Runt
Cubber
Zsinj: Michael York
(I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
weight.)
Elassar
Koyi
Go for it, kids!
--Prophet Kristy
let the mayhem begin anew
Russell Crowe for Wes!!
www.rebelpilots.com/afw
Brad Carletti
>
>The initial arguments over casting have petered out, but here's your last
>chance to suggest any nominees for our second AFW Casting Poll. I've gone
>through the Dramatis Personae lists and added people we haven't yet cast
>in this thread--not surprisingly, they're mostly nonhuman. I didn't write
>down *everyone*. Feel free to add if you wish.
Dorset Konnair: Charisma Carpenter
>The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
>
>Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
Uhh...
How DARE people suggest someone other than the mighty Denis Lawson?!
>Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
>Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
>Jr, Michael DeLuise
>
>[did you really think I wouldn't try to influence *that* one? I happen to
>quite like my idea...]
It is now impossible for me to consider anyone other than Crowe in
that role.
>Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
An older Seth Green.
>Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
Hrmm. A younger Bruce Willis.
>Erisi: Winona Ryder, Clare Danes, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku
All over the shop there ;)
>Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow
>
>Inyri: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Yeoh, Eliza Dushku, Gwyneth Paltrow
The women seem to suffer from repeat nominations. Understandable in
the case of the Forges, though. The same actor should probably do
both, with slight cosmetic alterations while in Lujayne's role.
>Phanan: Nicholas Cage, Edward Norton, Chris Barrie
Chris Barrie! :)
My god. That's going to change my reading of the novels forever.
>Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River Pheonix,
>Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
Leonardo diCaprio! :P
>Kell: Casper Van Dien
>
>Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
Did Richards play Dizzy in Troopers?
>Falynn: Clare Danes, Winona Ryder
Why do the same names keep popping up. :)
Someone blonde and weathered here.
>Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
Tim Zahn of course.
>Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
Agreed.
>Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John Rhys-Davies,
>Sammo Hung
JRD.
>Zsinj: Michael York
>
>(I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
>weight.)
>
>Elassar
Will Smith ;)
>Go for it, kids!
--
Brad Carletti
FREE JEFF K! FREE JEFF K DAMN YOU!
(http://somethingawful.efront.com/jeffk/)
Josh Cochran
> It is now impossible for me to consider anyone other than Crowe in
> that role.
Butt kisser. :-)
> The women seem to suffer from repeat nominations.
The saving grace of it is the frequency with which the name Eliza Dushku
appears. Whew... Is it just me, or is it getting warm in here?
> >Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
>
> Did Richards play Dizzy in Troopers?
No, she played Carmen. Dina Meyer played Dizzy. See also "Wild Things."
<vbg>
> >Elassar
>
> Will Smith ;)
LOL!! I would never have thought of it, but it's brilliant! Of course that
means the movie has to come out on July 4th weekend...
> --
> Brad Carletti
> FREE JEFF K! FREE JEFF K DAMN YOU!
> (http://somethingawful.efront.com/jeffk/)
I'd just like to point out that the picture that link gets you to is
disturbing in the extreme.
-Josh
Eliza, how do I drool over thee? Let me count the ways...
tvsgypsy
> and it will be chad-free. (oy, even I'm not beyond them!)
::groan:: Kristy.....
> The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
>
> Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
John Cusack. He was born to play Wedge.
> Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
Joe Fiennes...yeah.
> Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie
Prinze,
> Jr, Michael DeLuise
Ooh, Ben Affleck! But the seaQuest chick in me can't get over Michael
DeLuise....no, Ben Affleck. (I always loved Tony.)
> [did you really think I wouldn't try to influence *that* one? I
happen to
> quite like my idea...]
I'm still totally lost as to who this Russell Crowe guy is...which is
probably grounds for flogging, right, Kristy?
> Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
Ed Norton Is Hobbie Klivian!!! Another guy who was born to play a
Rogue. I have *very* strong feelings about this one.
> Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
Tom Cruise. Only he could pull off the arrogance.
> Bror: Matthew McConaughey
I would think he's not aristocratic enough, what with the accent and
everything. Of course, I don't have an actual nomination, so I should
just shut up. Oh wait! Whatshisname....Jude Law!
> Erisi: Winona Ryder, Clare Danes, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku
>
> Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow
Gwyneth would be cute.
> Inyri: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Yeoh, Eliza Dushku, Gwyneth Paltrow
Angelina Jolie! Cool!
> Gavin: Christian Bale
OK, everybody join in... Awwww.
> Phanan: Nicholas Cage, Edward Norton, Chris Barrie
No! Not Ed Norton!
> Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River
Pheonix,
> Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
>
> Kell: Casper Van Dien
Well, Aaron has decreed it so. How can I argue with him (especially as
I'm right in the middle of Wraith Squadron again)?
> Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
Barbie.
> Falynn: Clare Danes, Winona Ryder
Clare Danes...I like that. But she's a bit wispy...
> Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
I saw David Boreanaz for the first time on The Daily Show last night...
he does not strike me as a Myn.
> Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
>
> Shalla: Bianca Lawson, Michelle Yeoh, Jessica Alba
>
> Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
>
> Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
Sandra Bullock. And who's this Eliza Dushku chick?
> Dia: Michelle Yeoh
>
> Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
Ooh, Alan Rickman. He does great bad guys (speaking of which, I cn't
wait to see him as Snape!).
> Fliry Vorru: Ralph Fiennes, Armin Shimerman
>
> Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
Tm Zahn!
> Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
>
> Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
>
> Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John
Rhys-Davies,
> Sammo Hung
>
> Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
Sigourney Weaver. Or Michelle Pfeiffer.
> Bror: David Boreanz
>
> Ooryl
>
> Nawara
>
> Rhysati
>
> Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
::snort::
> Pash
>
> Iella
Gillian Anderson.
> Winter
>
> Asyr
>
> Elscol
>
> Plourr
Lucy Lawless (but she'd never cut her hair).
> Runt
>
> Cubber
>
> Zsinj: Michael York
>
> (I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
> weight.)
Oh yes, definitely.
> Elassar
>
> Koyi
>
> Go for it, kids!
>
> --Prophet Kristy
> let the mayhem begin anew
tvsgypsy (who has no idea of who most of these people are)
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Brad Carletti
>> that role.
>
>Butt kisser. :-)
What good would it do for me to suck up? :) I tell it like it is.
>> >Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
>>
>> Did Richards play Dizzy in Troopers?
>
>No, she played Carmen. Dina Meyer played Dizzy. See also "Wild Things."
><vbg>
Ahhhh. Makes sense.
>> >Elassar
>>
>> Will Smith ;)
>
>LOL!! I would never have thought of it, but it's brilliant! Of course that
>means the movie has to come out on July 4th weekend...
All the better. :)
>> Brad Carletti
>> FREE JEFF K! FREE JEFF K DAMN YOU!
>> (http://somethingawful.efront.com/jeffk/)
>
>I'd just like to point out that the picture that link gets you to is
>disturbing in the extreme.
No, it just takes you to a picture that says "FREE JEFF K.".
It used to link to a really funny page about the FBI arresting Jeff K
for running a hacking website.
If you've been looking through Cliff Yablonski's shit, that's your
fault. I stay the hell away from THAT. :)
>-Josh
>Eliza, how do I drool over thee? Let me count the ways...
The only question is what to do with the tattoo in the small of
Charisma Carpenter's back...
Nick Coghlan
>
>
> The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
Borrowing a few suggestions from other people...
> Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
Cusack
> Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
Robert Duncan McNeill (I reserve the right to change my opinion if I
find out this guy isn't who I think it is - the hyper-intelligent guy
from one of the Star Trek's - Voyager I think)
> Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
> Jr, Michael DeLuise
Crowe.
> Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
> Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
Seth.
> Bror: Matthew McConaughey, David Boreanaz
McConaughey (you listed Bror twice)
> Erisi: Winona Ryder, Clare Danes, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku
SMG.
> Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow
Paltrow.
> Inyri: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Yeoh, Eliza Dushku, Gwyneth Paltrow
Jolie. (better for the harder-edged character)
> Gavin: Christian Bale
Who?
> Phanan: Nicholas Cage, Edward Norton, Chris Barrie
Norton.
> Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River Pheonix,
> Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
Joaquin Phoenix.
> Kell: Casper Van Dien
Yep.
> Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
Danes.
> Falynn: Clare Danes, Winona Ryder
Ryder. (make-up to look appropriately weathered)
> Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
Boreanaz ('gypsy - you need to see him in Buffy the Vampire Slayer to
understand why this is such a good match)
> Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
Yep.
> Shalla: Bianca Lawson, Michelle Yeoh, Jessica Alba
Kendra! (IOW, Bianca)
> Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
>
> Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
>
> Dia: Michelle Yeoh
>
> Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
Barrie.
> Fliry Vorru: Ralph Fiennes, Armin Shimerman
Shimerman.
> Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
Zahn.
> Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
>
> Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
Yep!
> Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John Rhys-Davies,
> Sammo Hung
Gimli! (John Rhys-Davies)
> Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
Landau.
> Ooryl
>
> Nawara
>
> Rhysati
>
> Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
>
> Pash
>
> Iella
>
> Winter
>
> Asyr
>
> Elscol
>
> Plourr
Lucy Lawless is a great suggestion.
>
> Runt
>
> Cubber
>
> Zsinj: Michael York
>
> (I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
> weight.)
>
> Elassar
Will Smith is another perfect suggestion.
> Koyi
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Policrat'
Um... we could do with more here... I just can't quite think of anyone...
> Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
>
> Bror: Matthew McConaughey
>
> Erisi: Winona Ryder, Clare Danes, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku
>
> Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow
>
> Inyri: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Yeoh, Eliza Dushku, Gwyneth Paltrow
>
> Gavin: Christian Bale
>
> Phanan: Nicholas Cage, Edward Norton, Chris Barrie
>
> Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River Pheonix,
> Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
>
> Kell: Casper Van Dien
>
> Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
>
> Falynn: Clare Danes, Winona Ryder
>
> Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
>
> Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
>
> Shalla: Bianca Lawson, Michelle Yeoh, Jessica Alba
>
> Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
>
> Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
>
> Dia: Michelle Yeoh
>
> Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
>
> Fliry Vorru: Ralph Fiennes, Armin Shimerman
>
> Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
>
> Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
Tarkin!? in a Rogue/Wraith Casting Call?! Um... OK...
=)
> Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
>
> Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John Rhys-Davies,
> Sammo Hung
>
> Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
>
> Bror: David Boreanz
Already had Bror... or is this Bror as of TBW?-)
> Ooryl
Bizarrely... Sean Connery...
> Nawara
Timothy Dalton (following on from the idea of Brian "Onward, my brave
Hawkmen!" Blessed as Booster)...
Though I could see Sean Bean in the role as well...
Or Adrian Dunbar?
> Rhysati
>
> Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
>
> Pash
No idea...
Robert Redford as Airen Cracken, though...
> Iella
Umm... a younger version of any of John Sheridan's wives?-)
> Winter
Hard to find anyone with hair that white who looks enough like Carrie
Fisher...
> Asyr
>
> Elscol
>
> Plourr
Whoever said "Lucy Lawless" had it right...
> Runt
Gerard Depardieu, again...
> Cubber
Harvey Keitel
> Zsinj: Michael York
>
> (I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
> weight.)
Marlon Brando.
'nuff said...
> Elassar
>
> Koyi
Salma Hayek, Hudson Leick...
> Go for it, kids!
Yay!
> --Prophet Kristy
> let the mayhem begin anew
Finally!
Pol'
scifantasy
>Robert Duncan McNeill (I reserve the right to change my opinion if I
>find out this guy isn't who I think it is - the hyper-intelligent guy
>from one of the Star Trek's - Voyager I think)
Tom Paris, pilot of the starship _Voyager_.
>
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
Xizor
"Kristy Henscheid" <hens...@uidaho.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GHP.4.21.010131...@falcon.csrv.uidaho.edu...
> Everyone,
>
> The initial arguments over casting have petered out, but here's your last
> chance to suggest any nominees for our second AFW Casting Poll. I've gone
> through the Dramatis Personae lists and added people we haven't yet cast
> in this thread--not surprisingly, they're mostly nonhuman. I didn't write
> down *everyone*. Feel free to add if you wish.
>
> A few additional notes:
>
> For the nonhumans, I suggest, instead of trying to think of people who
> would be good in a suit, try to think of people who would be good as the
> human equivalent of the nonhuman character. Don't know if that will work,
> but...
>
> The old casting poll is, of course, up on Classic Threads at
> AFWCentral. This includes comments we got from Mike and Aaron. There is
> no problem with repeating any of these nominations--in fact, I already
> did, for a few of them.
>
> Go ahead and argue these out, if you'd like. I have no problem with you
> stating your reasons for your choices! Also, if there's a preference for
> actor based on time (old vs. young Wedge etc), I can create dual
> categories.
>
> I'll run a vote in a few weeks or when there's no more dicussion on this,
> and it will be chad-free. (oy, even I'm not beyond them!)
>
> The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
>
> Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
Is David James Elliot too tall to be Wedge?
> Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
James Marsters
Sean Connery?
> Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
Tarkin cannot be played by anyone other than Peter Cushing.
> Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
>
> Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John Rhys-Davies,
> Sammo Hung
>
> Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
>
> Bror: David Boreanz
>
> Ooryl
>
> Nawara
>
> Rhysati
>
> Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
>
> Pash
>
> Iella
>
> Winter
>
> Asyr
>
> Elscol
>
> Plourr
>
> Runt
>
> Cubber
>
> Zsinj: Michael York
>
> (I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
> weight.)
>
> Elassar
>
> Koyi
>
Castin Donn: Michael Shanks?
Atril Tabanne: Should be Considered...
Josh Nolan
Kristy Henscheid wrote:
> Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
>
If it was NJO Wedge, Lawson would be it. However, for the young, serious
Wedge, Cusack gets my vote.
>
> Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
>
Assuming Robert Duncan McNeill can act, him. Otherwise, Joseph.
>
> Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
> Jr, Michael DeLuise
>
*Sigh* - all right, my Prophetess. You win. Russell Crowe. :)
>
> Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
>
Jason Statham. Dead ringer. (And somehow "Blimey, I gotta spend another two
weeks in the bloody hover, don't I, guv?" sounds so appropriate.)
>
> Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
>
Seth. Christian's too sinister, I can't stand Cage, and Joseph might already
be Tycho. :)
>
> Bror: Matthew McConaughey
>
Christian Bale would probably be better - he seems to be good at playing
people who deserve to be taken down a notch. :) This was actually Nick's idea
- change his vote, please?
>
> Erisi: Winona Ryder, Clare Danes, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku
>
Yeah. SMG. Why not?
>
> Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow
>
> Inyri: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Yeoh, Eliza Dushku, Gwyneth Paltrow
>
I'll go with Nick on the sisters - Paltrow for Lujayne, Jolie for Inyri.
>
> Gavin: Christian Bale
Heath Ledger. (Again, Nick's vote as well).
>
> Phanan: Nicholas Cage, Edward Norton, Chris Barrie
>
Ed Norton. Can be funny and menacing, just like Ton.
>
> Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River Pheonix,
> Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
Yeah. Joaquin Phoenix.
>
> Kell: Casper Van Dien
>
You win, Aaron.
>
> Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
>
Peta Wilson. (La Femme Nikita - the TV series, that is.)
>
> Falynn: Clare Danes, Winona Ryder
>
Winona Ryder.
>
> Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
>
David Boreanaz.
>
> Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
>
Yup.
>
> Shalla: Bianca Lawson, Michelle Yeoh, Jessica Alba
>
Bianca.
>
> Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
>
> Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
>
I'm thinking Joan Cusack - it's about time she got a shot at a non-supporting
role. :) Nick votes for Linda Fiorentino. (The Morgue Chick out of Men In
Black - and the Grail descendant in Dogma.)
>
> Dia: Michelle Yeoh
>
> Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
>
Chris Barrie.
>
> Fliry Vorru: Ralph Fiennes, Armin Shimerman
>
Armin.
>
> Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
>
If Zahn can act, go for it. Otherwise, Gary'll kick arse. :)
>
> Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
>
Gabriel.
>
> Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
>
Yup.
>
> Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John Rhys-Davies,
> Sammo Hung
>
Nick's changed his vote to agree with mine - Brian Blessed.
>
> Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
>
Anjelica Huston. Nick, unsurprisingly, has changed his vote to her as well.
>
> Ooryl
>
He's the uber-Gand - so maybe Jackie Chan?
>
> Nawara
>
Tom Cruise - You can't handle the truth!
>
> Rhysati
>
Nicole Kidman. :)
>
> Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
>
> Pash
>
No ideas. Bad brain.
>
> Iella
>
Nick and I vote Terry Farrel. (Jadzia Dax out of DS9).
>
> Winter
>
Carrie Fisher? :)
>
> Asyr
>
> Elscol
>
> Plourr
>
Heh - Lucy Lawless as the Warrior Princess, eh? Sounds good for me.
>
> Runt
Robin Williams? It'd get the 'multiple personality' thing down... :)
>
>
> Cubber
>
> Zsinj: Michael York
>
> (I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
> weight.)
>
> Elassar
>
Yah - Will Smith's definitely got the right attitude.
>
> Koyi
>
Alyson Hannigan
Piggy - John Rhys-Davies
Josh.
--
"Always - always remember... Less is less, more is more,
more is better, and twice as much is good too.
Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except
when it's just about right."
- The Tick.
Majick
a 1977 Lawson vintage
Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill
Wes: Noah Wyle
Hobbie: Jason Statham
Corran: Christian Slater
Bror: Matthew McConaughey
Erisi: Eliza Dushku
Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar
Inyri: Angelina Jolie
Gavin: Christian Bale
Phanan: Nicholas Cage
Kell: Casper Van Dien
Tyria: Denise Richards
Myn:Russell Crowe
Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
Shalla: Bianca Lawson
Mirax: Clare Danes...sorry, don't like either of the nominees for the role
Dia: Michelle Yeoh
Loor: Alan Rickman
Talon Karrde: Tim Zahn
Tarkin: Gabriel Byrnel
Leonia Tavira: Mina Suvari
Booster: Tommy Lee Jones
Isard: Glenn Close
Bror: David Boreanz
Ooryl: Mark Hamil... ;-)
Nawara: Alexander Siddig
Rhysati: Alyson Hanigan
Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
Pash: Ben Afleck
Iella: Cary Lowell
Winter: Nicole Eggert
Asyr: Natasha Gregson-Wagner
Elscol: Sigourney Weaver
Plourr: Famke Jansen
Runt: Craig Charles
Cubber: Chris Barrie
Zsinj: Richard Gere
Elassar: Garrett Wang
Koyi: Roxann Dawson
General Salm: Avery Brooks
Renata
100...@falcon.csrv.uidaho.edu>,
Kristy Henscheid <hens...@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> <snip>
> > The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
>
> Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
Last minute entry, if we can't have Denis (and I say, TIME MACHINE!
Keep the original): Alan Cummings? Ewan is my second runner up
> Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
Sean Bean
> Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie
Prinze, Jr, Michael DeLuise
Sorry, Enlightened One, gotta go with Prinze on this. Or maybe
Charlie Sheen.
> Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
Abstain; I want Eeyore. Or, no, wait, Matthew Broderick!
> Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
What if we put Russell Crowe here?
> Bror: Matthew McConaughey
> Erisi: Winona Ryder, Clare Danes, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku
Winona
> Lujayne: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow
>
> Inyri: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Yeoh, Eliza Dushku, Gwyneth Paltrow
I'll vote for Michelle Yeoh ANYWHERE!!!
> Gavin: Christian Bale
>
> Phanan: Nicholas Cage, Edward Norton, Chris Barrie
err...I'll go with Cage or Barrie. Not real thrilled with either, but
I can't think of an option.
> Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River
Pheonix, Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
River Phoenix is dead; can we cast dead people? Actually, I want to
insert Cary Elwes here. If not, then Fiennes or McNeil.
> Kell: Casper Van Dien
>
> Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
>
> Falynn: Clare Danes, Winona Ryder
>
> Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
I think Russell would work really well here, too.
> Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
I'll agree with whoever nominated the "Nikita" chick. Typecasting, I
know...
> Shalla: Bianca Lawson, Michelle Yeoh, Jessica Alba
I know I already voted for Michelle Yeoh. I'll vote for her again.
> Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
>
> Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
Sela Ward?
> Dia: Michelle Yeoh
I know, I know. We'll just clone her.
> Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
Alan Rickman, anywhere, anytime, any role!
> Fliry Vorru: Ralph Fiennes, Armin Shimerman
>
> Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
>
> Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
? Was Tarkin around? If you're going to nominate dead people (see
FACE), then Peter Cushing. (For that matter, if we can nominate the
dead, then we can play with time and DL can stay Wedge) Otherwise, Ian
Richardson
> Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
>
> Booster: Russell Crowe, Tommy Lee Jones, Brian Blessed, John Rhys-
Davies, Sammo Hung
I'll go with Blessed. Rhys-Davies is my runner up.
> Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
Kate Mulgrew; I can see her enjoying a shot at playing a bad guy. Or
Gwyneth Paltrow. Icy blondes...
> Bror: David Boreanz
>
> Ooryl
>
> Nawara
Denzel Washington
> Rhysati
>
> Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
>
> Pash
>
> Iella
Dana Delaney? Sela Ward?
> Winter
Carrie in a white wig (why is this a problem?) Or Michelle Pfeiffer, if
Carrie wants to continue as a writer...
> Asyr
>
> Elscol
>
> Plourr
Yes for Lucy; I bet she'd cut her hair!
> Runt
>
> Cubber
Tom Arnold or Jim Belushi?
> Zsinj: Michael York
Or Kenneth Branagh.
> Elassar
>
> Koyi
>
> Go for it, kids!
>
> --Prophet Kristy
> let the mayhem begin anew
>
> Russell Crowe for Wes!!
> www.rebelpilots.com/afw
>
>
If we're casting the dead, please accept the following for cameos as
Imperial officers: James Mason. For the living, throw in Judi Dench
(who wouldn't make a bad Mon Motha), and Ian Richardson.
--
"She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts." --Han
Solo
Allax
Kristy doth spake ...
>The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
>Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
No problems with any of those ;)
>Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
Edward Kerr
>Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
>Nicholas Brendan, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce, BEN AFFLECK, Freddie Prinze,
>Jr, Michael DeLuise
Well, Ben Affleck of course. I'm sorry Kristy, but aside from Crowe being
too old, he just doesn't do it for me, I think he's a great actor, but I
like Dennis Quaid so much more and after he took Meg away I just can't vote
for him in anything, I'm too heartbroken. - lol ;)
>Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
Matthew Modine, I 'altered' a pic of him and put him in a NR uniform,
lightened his hair a bit and it really works- check it out on the casting
couch page of the WEBsite ::plug plug:: :)
>Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
Michael Shanks- also up on the casting couch page- He plays Dr. Daniel
Jackson on SG-1 and aside from being a 'hottie', is a great actor and can do
drama and action very well.
>Kell: Casper Van Dien
That one is just so perfect, I can't even imagine any one else.
>Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
Denise Richards? Isn't she the one from Starship Troopers that can't act?
I'm gonna have to go with Claire on that just to vote against Denise.
>Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
We have some great ideas on Myn- from George Clooney (back when he had hair
all one color- lol, to Wes Bentley and even Chow Yun Fat. But I think I'd
like to nominate Tom Eplin for Myn- dark, brooding, cranky...lol works for
me! :)
>Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
Ok ok, throw rotten tomatoes if you want, but since Myn and Lara had a
'thing' going and I like Tom for Myn, I have to vote for Anne Heche here- if
you only know her as "Ellen's girlfriend" you're missing out on a great
actress who started out playing twins on a soap opera with Tom. She was so
good at the different personalities, you could tell when one twin was
pretending to be the other without her saying a word.
>Shalla: Bianca Lawson, Michelle Yeoh, Jessica Alba
Gina Torres!!! Nuff said. Meee-yow! :)
>Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
As yummy as Jean is, I see Kevin Smith (the Kiwi, not the american director)
as Fel.
>Nawara
I'd throw Gary Oldman down here rather than as Karrde
>Iella
Who's good enough for Wedge?
>Winter
I've been convinced by some stellar artwork that the only person right for
Winter is Michelle Pfeiffer. :)
>Plourr
I loved the Lucy Lawless suggestion on this one, Plourr is one of my FAVE
characters and she'd have to be tough tough tough!
If I think of any more, I'll let you know :)
How much time are we going to take for nominations anyway?
Shanon ::always loved the casting couch::
WEBmistress
"TweedleDiva"
www.allax.net/web
Brad Carletti
>
>Hard to find anyone with hair that white who looks enough like Carrie
>Fisher...
Hair colour can be changed.
Carrie Fisher? What about her daughter? :)
Alison Sky
>
>Edward Kerr
YES! Lt. Brody as Tycho! WAHOO! Star Wars questies unite!
Ok, here's one really out of left field.
Face: Stephen Baldwin
Phanan: Josh Brolin.
Think Young Riders.
-=ducks baldwin jokes=-
*~ Alison Sky ~*
"I have finished my masterpiece. Now I can rest the troubled mind."
The Boyds
Booster: Why not Sean Connery?
And Jessica Alba would actually make a good Asyr.
-Vickie
I R Jedi/Terra Nine/Current marble count: 15
Nick Coghlan
These votes are for comic/book sort of timeframe.
>
> Wedge: John Cusack
> Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill (I know who he is now...)
> Wes: Russel Crowe
> Hobbie: Jason Statham
> Corran: Cary Elwes
> Bror: Christian Bale
> Erisi: Sarah Michelle Gellar
> Lujayne: Gwyneth Paltrow
> Inyri: Angelina Jolie
> Gavin: Heath Ledger
> Phanan: Ed Norton
> Face: Joaquin Phoenix
> Kell: Casper Van Dien
> Tyria: Peta Wilson
> Falynn: Wynona Rider
> Myn: David Boreanaz
> Lara/Gara/Kirney: Kate Winslet
> Shalla: Bianca Lawson
> Soontir Fel: Jean Reno
> Mirax: Linda Fiorentino
> Dia: Michelle Yeoh
> Loor: Chris Barrie
> Fliry Vorru: Armin Shimerman
> Talon Karrde: Tim Zahn
> Tarkin: Gabriel Byrne
> Leonia Tavira: Eliza Dushku
> Booster: Brian Blessed
> Isard: Anjelica Huston (sp?)
> Ooryl: Anthony Stewart Head
> Nawara: Tom Cruise
> Rhysati: Nicole Kidman
> Shiel: Craig Charles (Sorry Brett...)
> Pash: Seth Green
> Iella: Terry Farrel
> Winter: Michelle Pfeiffer
> Asyr: Kirsten Dunst
> Elscol: Sigourney Weaver
> Plourr: Lucy Lawless
> Runt: Robin Williams
> Cubber: Harvey Keitel
> Zsinj: Jack Nicholson
> Elassar: Will Smith
> Koyi: Alyson Hannigan
> Piggy: John Rhys-Davies
> General Salm: Don S. Davis (the General in SG-1)
Cheers,
Nick.
I reserve the right to change my vote at any time. My decision is not
final and correspondence will be entered into.
Kristy Henscheid
> >The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
> >
> >Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
>
> Uhh...
>
> How DARE people suggest someone other than the mighty Denis Lawson?!
I don't know...though I'm guilty of the Noah Hathaway nomination. We're
looking for a younger Wedge, I think, and Denis would be better for NJO
Wedge.
I have a feeling I'll be splitting categories here, young vs. old Wedge.
> >Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> >Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
> >Jr, Michael DeLuise
> >
> >[did you really think I wouldn't try to influence *that* one? I happen to
> >quite like my idea...]
>
> It is now impossible for me to consider anyone other than Crowe in
> that role.
::victory sign:: Yes, my work here is done. :o)
> The women seem to suffer from repeat nominations.
Talk to your fellow males about that one. ;-)
I should note that we're not limited in time and space here. Nominate the
people you think fulfill your vision of the characters. At any stage in
their lives (so younger and older versions of current actors are legal),
and the same actor may end up being cast for more than one role. This is
just an exercise in imagination, anyway--where would we get the money to
hire these people?!
> >Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River Pheonix,
> >Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
>
> Leonardo diCaprio! :P
::groan:: Do I have to add that one? Well, okay.
> >Elassar
>
> Will Smith ;)
I like it!!
A final comment: this is not the election. This is just open nominations
at this point. The election will be later.
--Prophet Kristy
mired in administravia
Kristy Henscheid
> Brad Carletti <guppy...@sagamers.com> wrote
> > It is now impossible for me to consider anyone other than Crowe in
> > that role.
> Butt kisser. :-)
Hey, you should know that flattery should get you far with
me. ;-) Besides, he's just the obvious best choice anyway.
> > The women seem to suffer from repeat nominations.
> The saving grace of it is the frequency with which the name Eliza Dushku
> appears. Whew... Is it just me, or is it getting warm in here?
lol--okay, I am not the only hormonal one around here!
--Prophet Kristy
Kristy Henscheid
> > and it will be chad-free. (oy, even I'm not beyond them!)
> ::groan:: Kristy.....
Sorry; couldn't resist. ;-P
> > Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie
> Prinze,
> > Jr, Michael DeLuise
> Ooh, Ben Affleck! But the seaQuest chick in me can't get over Michael
> DeLuise....no, Ben Affleck. (I always loved Tony.)
Fish Boy? ;-P
> > [did you really think I wouldn't try to influence *that* one? I
> happen to
> > quite like my idea...]
> I'm still totally lost as to who this Russell Crowe guy is...which is
> probably grounds for flogging, right, Kristy?
No, I'll forgive you, as long as you run out and rent Gladiator this
instant. Russell's in that, and The Insider (Oscar nominated!), and LA
Confidential, and Proof of Life. And Gladiator.
Is it warm in here? There's a blizzard outside...::eg::
In addition, I've put up some comparison pictures at AFW Central--scroll
down the main page to "Random Announcements."
[Anyone else who wants to do comparison pictures of their own favorite
nominees on their web sites is welcome to do so. I know the WEB casting
couch has some pics (www.allax.net/web). And if you all think it's sorta
unfair for the Russell Crowe thingy to be on AFW Central without any
others (why would I help my opposition?!), I can move it to my personal
site.]
> > Hobbie: Jason Statham, Bill Mumy
> Ed Norton Is Hobbie Klivian!!! Another guy who was born to play a
> Rogue. I have *very* strong feelings about this one.
Noted.
> > Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
> Tom Cruise. Only he could pull off the arrogance.
Oooh, I like it.
> > Gavin: Christian Bale
> OK, everybody join in... Awwww.
::flogging brain:: I don't know who this is. Argh.
Hmmm, do we want a helper file with this list, where we correlated
nominee's names with a role from which those who are confused are likely
to recognize them? I think I'm missing some good suggestions because of
not knowing who these people are. Opinions?
> > Tyria: Denise Richards, Clare Danes
> Barbie.
lol--I'm adding it to the list!!
> > Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
> I saw David Boreanaz for the first time on The Daily Show last night...
> he does not strike me as a Myn.
He broods a *lot* in Angel. A Lot.
> > Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
> Ooh, Alan Rickman. He does great bad guys (speaking of which, I cn't
> wait to see him as Snape!).
I dig Alan Rickman. :-)
> > Shiel: Brett Bastable ;-)
> ::snort::
He was elected unanimously last time... ;-P
> > Iella
> Gillian Anderson.
Hmmmmmmm.
> > Plourr
> Lucy Lawless (but she'd never cut her hair).
Xena is such an absurd show that I can't picture this. Who else is a buff
chick....Carrie-Ann Moss!!
--Prophet Kristy
I'd almost forgotten how fun this was :o)
Kristy Henscheid
> >> It is now impossible for me to consider anyone other than Crowe in
> >> that role.
> >
> >Butt kisser. :-)
>
> What good would it do for me to suck up? :) I tell it like it is.
Exactly! Good lad, Brad.
--Prophet Kristy
Anonymous
> >
> > Uhh...
> >
> > How DARE people suggest someone other than the mighty Denis Lawson?!
>
> I don't know...though I'm guilty of the Noah Hathaway nomination. We're
> looking for a younger Wedge, I think, and Denis would be better for NJO
> Wedge.
>
> I have a feeling I'll be splitting categories here, young vs. old Wedge.
I'm confuzed on a younger Wedge, but I've definitely thought of Denis as the NJO
Wedge.
> > >Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > >Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
> > >Jr, Michael DeLuise
> > >
> > >[did you really think I wouldn't try to influence *that* one? I happen to
> > >quite like my idea...]
> >
> > It is now impossible for me to consider anyone other than Crowe in
> > that role.
>
> ::victory sign:: Yes, my work here is done. :o)
>
> > The women seem to suffer from repeat nominations.
>
> Talk to your fellow males about that one. ;-)
>
> I should note that we're not limited in time and space here. Nominate the
> people you think fulfill your vision of the characters. At any stage in
> their lives (so younger and older versions of current actors are legal),
> and the same actor may end up being cast for more than one role. This is
> just an exercise in imagination, anyway--where would we get the money to
> hire these people?!
>
> > >Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River Pheonix,
> > >Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
> >
> > Leonardo diCaprio! :P
>
> ::groan:: Do I have to add that one? Well, okay.
No!!! Its bad enough that Kate Winslet made it in...
> > >Elassar
> >
> > Will Smith ;)
>
> I like it!!
Oh yeah! I can just picture him standing up and yelling the line about being
master of the universe.
Someone already said Jessica Alba for Asyr, but I think she'd work as Shalla.
(Or is Shalla to dark? Where's my copy of Iron Fist when I need it...)
Aaron T. Smith
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Kristy Henscheid
> Kristy Henscheid wrote:
> > Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
>
> Robert Duncan McNeill (I reserve the right to change my opinion if I
> find out this guy isn't who I think it is - the hyper-intelligent guy
> from one of the Star Trek's - Voyager I think)
hyper-intelligent? No, not really. ;-) I love Tom, but he's
disparage-able. (yes, I just made that up.) He's the blond helmboy on
Voyager, Nick. A fair actor, though not having seen him in anything else
I can't really judge.
> > Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
> > Jr, Michael DeLuise
> Crowe.
::grin:: I'm so proud!
--Prophet Kristy
nice to be agreed with
*~*Emily*~*
> In article <Pine.GHP.4.21.0101311945310.24772-
> 100...@falcon.csrv.uidaho.edu>,
> Kristy Henscheid <hens...@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
> >
> > Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
>
> Last minute entry, if we can't have Denis (and I say, TIME MACHINE!
> Keep the original): Alan Cummings? Ewan is my second runner up
>
> > Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
>
> Sean Bean
>
> > Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie
> Prinze, Jr, Michael DeLuise
>
> Sorry, Enlightened One, gotta go with Prinze on this. Or maybe
> Charlie Sheen.
O-yeah, o-yeah, o-yeah. Freddie Prinze is just yummy.
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feelings of an almost human nature. Shame on him. This will not do...
...But my friend, you have revealed your deepest fear. I sentence you to be
exposed before your peers. Tear down the wall!" -Pink Floyd, "The Trial"
Kristy Henscheid
> Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Kristy Henscheid:
> >
>
> Tarkin!? in a Rogue/Wraith Casting Call?! Um... OK...
I believe you were one of the people in on that, Pol'. ;-P I just wrote
down things that people threw out for consideration. He doesn't have to
be on there if we don't want.
> > Bror: David Boreanz
>
> Already had Bror... or is this Bror as of TBW?-)
That was an oops on Kristy's part.
> > Ooryl
>
> Bizarrely... Sean Connery...
Hey, I like it.
> Robert Redford as Airen Cracken, though...
Yes!
> > Winter
>
> Hard to find anyone with hair that white who looks enough like Carrie
> Fisher...
How about Carrie Fisher with a wig? She can kick butt...
> > Zsinj: Michael York
> >
> > (I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
> > weight.)
>
> Marlon Brando.
>
> 'nuff said...
Hmmm. Yes, possible. Now I have a dilemma there. ;-)
> > Koyi
>
> Salma Hayek, Hudson Leick...
Salma!
> > let the mayhem begin anew
> Finally!
::sigh::
--Prophet Kristy
Kristy Henscheid
> "Kristy Henscheid" <hens...@uidaho.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GHP.4.21.010131...@falcon.csrv.uidaho.edu...
>
> Is David James Elliot too tall to be Wedge?
Yes. But your nomination is noted anyway.
> > Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
>
> Tarkin cannot be played by anyone other than Peter Cushing.
You know, I think I'm going to take Tarkin off this. Not only is he Dead,
but he's not really connected in any way with our topic here. I think he
came up during a discussion of Loor.
> Castin Donn: Michael Shanks?
To Castin Donn, I'm going to add Brad Pitt--because I would really enjoy
seeing him be an idiot and Die. ;-)
--Prophet Kristy
immature? Probably.
Kristy Henscheid
> Kristy Henscheid wrote:
> > Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
> If it was NJO Wedge, Lawson would be it. However, for the young, serious
> Wedge, Cusack gets my vote.
Attention all, Wedge is hereby changed to two categories: NJO Wedge and
Young Wedge. Please specify all further nominations accordingly.
> > Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
> > Jr, Michael DeLuise
>
> *Sigh* - all right, my Prophetess. You win. Russell Crowe. :)
YAY!! ::impromptu hug:: I am the champion. ;-)
> Christian Bale would probably be better - he seems to be good at playing
> people who deserve to be taken down a notch. :) This was actually Nick's idea
> - change his vote, please?
This isn't the election yet, just nominations. (You seem to be trying to
change Nick's vote a lot. Hmmm. ;-P)
> > Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
>
> I'm thinking Joan Cusack - it's about time she got a shot at a non-supporting
> role. :) Nick votes for Linda Fiorentino. (The Morgue Chick out of Men In
> Black - and the Grail descendant in Dogma.)
Oooh, I like the Linda Fiorentino idea.
> > Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
>
> If Zahn can act, go for it. Otherwise, Gary'll kick arse. :)
Gary always kicks arse!!
> > Rhysati
>
> Nicole Kidman. :)
I like it! (and it happens to match your Tom Cruise as Nawara, how
clever.)
--Prophet Kristy
Policrat'
>>>> Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
>>>
>>> Uhh...
>>>
>>> How DARE people suggest someone other than the mighty Denis Lawson?!
>>
>> I don't know...though I'm guilty of the Noah Hathaway nomination. We're
>> looking for a younger Wedge, I think, and Denis would be better for NJO
>> Wedge.
>>
>> I have a feeling I'll be splitting categories here, young vs. old Wedge.
>
> I'm confuzed on a younger Wedge, but I've definitely thought of Denis as the
> NJO Wedge.
Denis *is* Wedge, no question... the question is which actors could play the
character :)
Pol'
Len Clark
become Project Boussh)
Wedge: (Young) John Cusack (Old)Denis Lawson
Wes: (oh what the hell) RUSSELL CROWE
Erisi: Sarah Michelle Gellar
Phanan: Nicholas Cage
Face: Dirk Benedict (whoops...wrong Face)
Tyria: Denise Richards ( I don't care where, I'd vote for Denise Richards
for anything)
Falynn: Clare Danes (Winona's just too cute to play Falynn)
Myn: David Boreanaz
Iella: Whoever nominated Gillian Anderson, I second it.
Winter: Michelle Pfifer
--
Len Clark (ICQ# 31191599)
http://www.wedge4life.com
-Don't Blame Me, I Voted Wedge!-
-Antilles/Celchu '04-
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Policrat'
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Policrat' wrote:
>> Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Kristy Henscheid:
>>>
>>> Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
>>
>> Tarkin!? in a Rogue/Wraith Casting Call?! Um... OK...
>
> I believe you were one of the people in on that, Pol'. ;-P I just wrote
> down things that people threw out for consideration. He doesn't have to
> be on there if we don't want.
I'm easy... (just ask any woman)...
>>> Bror: David Boreanz
>>
>> Already had Bror... or is this Bror as of TBW?-)
>
> That was an oops on Kristy's part.
Bad Prophetess!
>>> Ooryl
>>
>> Bizarrely... Sean Connery...
>
> Hey, I like it.
=)
>> Robert Redford as Airen Cracken, though...
>
> Yes!
Gets better and better...
>>> Winter
>>
>> Hard to find anyone with hair that white who looks enough like Carrie
>> Fisher...
>
> How about Carrie Fisher with a wig? She can kick butt...
Where?
>>> Zsinj: Michael York
>>>
>>> (I think he could pull that off quite nicely, despite the differing
>>> weight.)
>>
>> Marlon Brando.
>>
>> 'nuff said...
>
> Hmmm. Yes, possible. Now I have a dilemma there. ;-)
Heh! York might make an interesting... um... there *must* be someone...
Rogriss?
>>> Koyi
>>
>> Salma Hayek, Hudson Leick...
>
> Salma!
=)
>>> let the mayhem begin anew
>> Finally!
>
> ::sigh::
I have that effect on people!
> --Prophet Kristy
Pol'
Vickie Boyd
> Just a few of my ideas/votes (anything to avoid the 400lbs. gorilla that has
> become Project Boussh)
>
> Wedge: (Young) John Cusack (Old)Denis Lawson
What? How dare you say Wedge is old. (or Denis for that matter) ;)
>
> Wes: (oh what the hell) RUSSELL CROWE
> Erisi: Sarah Michelle Gellar
> Phanan: Nicholas Cage
> Face: Dirk Benedict (whoops...wrong Face)
>
*LOL* An A-Team fan, I take it.
> Tyria: Denise Richards ( I don't care where, I'd vote for Denise Richards
> for anything)
> Falynn: Clare Danes (Winona's just too cute to play Falynn)
> Myn: David Boreanaz
> Iella: Whoever nominated Gillian Anderson, I second it.
> Winter: Michelle Pfifer
That's not a bad idea.
-Vickie
Kristy Henscheid
> In article <Pine.GHP.4.21.0101311945310.24772-
> 100...@falcon.csrv.uidaho.edu>,
> Kristy Henscheid <hens...@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > The nominations are still open and this is how they stand so far:
> > Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
> Last minute entry, if we can't have Denis (and I say, TIME MACHINE!
> Keep the original): Alan Cummings?
Young or NJO?
A time machine is totally legal here.
> > Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie
> Prinze, Jr, Michael DeLuise
>
> Sorry, Enlightened One, gotta go with Prinze on this. Or maybe
> Charlie Sheen.
No way!!! (noted, though)
> > Corran: Christian Slater, Seth Green, Nicholas Cage, Joseph Fiennes
> What if we put Russell Crowe here?
Corran isn't that buff! ;-P
> > Face: Colin Firth, Joseph Fiennes, Robert Duncan McNeill, River
> Pheonix, Rupert Everett, Joaquin Phoenix
> River Phoenix is dead; can we cast dead people?
We certainly can. We're trying for our internal vision, not something
actually possible. Time machine.
> > Myn: David Boreanaz, Russell Crowe
> I think Russell would work really well here, too.
Nahhhhh. ;-P
> > Dia: Michelle Yeoh
> I know, I know. We'll just clone her.
That's legal, too.
> > Loor: Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes, Chris Barrie
> Alan Rickman, anywhere, anytime, any role!
Yay!!
> > Tarkin: Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne
> ? Was Tarkin around? If you're going to nominate dead people (see
> FACE), then Peter Cushing. (For that matter, if we can nominate the
> dead, then we can play with time and DL can stay Wedge) Otherwise, Ian
> Richardson
Tarkin's getting removed from the list.
> > Isard: Juliet Landau, Sarah Douglas
> Kate Mulgrew; I can see her enjoying a shot at playing a bad guy.
Agh! I hate Janeway!!!!!!!!
> > Winter
> Carrie in a white wig (why is this a problem?)
It isn't. I like it!
--Prophet Kristy
Kristy Henscheid
> Kristy doth spake ...
> >Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
> Edward Kerr
::raised eyebrow:: The Questie in me rebels at the thought.
> > Iella
>
> Who's good enough for Wedge?
That's the real trick, ain't it?
> How much time are we going to take for nominations anyway?
Until the discussion dies again. Then I'll run a vote.
--Prophet Kristy
agreeing to disagree with Shanon on Wes...
Kristy Henscheid
> >>Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
> >
> >Edward Kerr
>
> YES! Lt. Brody as Tycho! WAHOO! Star Wars questies unite!
I agree on the SW Questies unite bit, but I'm not so sure about Jimmy as
Tych. I'll think on that.
--Prophet Kristy
sQ! Yahoo!
Durandir
> > > Winter
> >
> > Hard to find anyone with hair that white who looks enough like
Carrie
> > Fisher...
>
> How about Carrie Fisher with a wig? She can kick butt...
Just remembered...back in December, Alison suggested Fionnula Flanagan
for Winter.
~Becki
--
=<>==o=o=o=o= http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Field/9276
"Why should our hearts not dance?" --Psyche in C. S. Lewis's "Till We
Have Faces"
"There was a star danced, and under that was I born." --Beatrice in
Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing"
Kristy Henscheid
> Booster: Why not Sean Connery?
Because Tommy Lee Jones is perfect? ;-P Noted.
> And Jessica Alba would actually make a good Asyr.
Okay, that's it, this week the Prophetess is hitting the IMDB for to
identify all these epopel she doesn't know...
--Prophet Kristy
garbage brain...failing...
scifantasy
>On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, The Boyds wrote:
>> Booster: Why not Sean Connery?
>
>Because Tommy Lee Jones is perfect? ;-P Noted.
>
>> And Jessica Alba would actually make a good Asyr.
>
>Okay, that's it, this week the Prophetess is hitting the IMDB for to
>identify all these epopel she doesn't know...
epopel? :)
Jessica Alba is the main character in 'Dark Angel'
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
Len Clark
"Vickie Boyd" <vic...@statesidedata.com> wrote in message
news:3A7B1A24...@statesidedata.com...
> Len Clark wrote:
>
> > Just a few of my ideas/votes (anything to avoid the 400lbs. gorilla that
has
> > become Project Boussh)
> >
> > Wedge: (Young) John Cusack (Old)Denis Lawson
>
> What? How dare you say Wedge is old. (or Denis for that matter) ;)
You know what I mean. ;) (I hope)
>
> >
> > Wes: (oh what the hell) RUSSELL CROWE
> > Erisi: Sarah Michelle Gellar
> > Phanan: Nicholas Cage
> > Face: Dirk Benedict (whoops...wrong Face)
> >
>
> *LOL* An A-Team fan, I take it.
The first time he (Loran) was called "Face" in Wraith Squadron, I couldn't
get the image of A-Team Face out of my head. You think that's where Aaron
got the idea?
>
> > Tyria: Denise Richards ( I don't care where, I'd vote for Denise
Richards
> > for anything)
> > Falynn: Clare Danes (Winona's just too cute to play Falynn)
> > Myn: David Boreanaz
> > Iella: Whoever nominated Gillian Anderson, I second it.
> > Winter: Michelle Pfifer
>
> That's not a bad idea.
>
> -Vickie
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Len Clark (ICQ# 31191599)
> > http://www.wedge4life.com
> > -Don't Blame Me, I Voted Wedge!-
> > -Antilles/Celchu '04-
> >
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Hmm... which'll finish first: Project Boussh, or Episode II?
Gate
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, tvsgypsy wrote:
> > > and it will be chad-free. (oy, even I'm not beyond them!)
> > ::groan:: Kristy.....
>
> Sorry; couldn't resist. ;-P
>
> > > Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > > Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie
> > Prinze,
> > > Jr, Michael DeLuise
> > Ooh, Ben Affleck! But the seaQuest chick in me can't get over Michael
> > DeLuise....no, Ben Affleck. (I always loved Tony.)
>
> Fish Boy? ;-P
>
> > > [did you really think I wouldn't try to influence *that* one? I
> > happen to
> > > quite like my idea...]
> > I'm still totally lost as to who this Russell Crowe guy is...which is
> > probably grounds for flogging, right, Kristy?
>
> No, I'll forgive you, as long as you run out and rent Gladiator this
> instant. Russell's in that, and The Insider (Oscar nominated!), and LA
> Confidential, and Proof of Life. And Gladiator.
And Hammers Over The Anvil. ::thud::
And Gladiator. <g>
Jen
~~~
It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination's
nailed it yet, 'cause they're all too self-righteous to
realize that it doesn't matter what you have faith in, as
long as you have faith.
- Serendipity, Dogma
Durandir
"Len Clark" <lencl...@home.com> wrote:
> Hmm... which'll finish first: Project Boussh, or Episode II?
Episode III is my guess...
Renata
maybe Pash. He's not too bad at drama, & we know he can do comedy! I
can see him sneaking around nekkid after an escaped Ewok...
I reiterate: TIME MACHINE! Denis Lawson as Wedge; young/X-wing/NJO,
doesn't matter...the man was BORN to wear orange!
And if we can nominate dead people, James Mason as any icy, high-
ranking Imperial Officer anyone cares to name...(except maybe Isarrd).
Ian Richardson as runner up. (He's not dead, thank heaven). (Maybe
Mason could be General Cracken?)
I am completely stumped on Pash. I can see him in my head, but I can't
think of any actor that matches the face & attitude.
--
"She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts." --Han
Solo
Josh Cochran
> Episode III is my guess...
>
> ~Becki
I thought Project Boussh *was* Episode III...
-Josh
Josh Cochran
> Hey, you should know that flattery should get you far with
> me. ;-) Besides, he's just the obvious best choice anyway.
Yeah yeah...
> lol--okay, I am not the only hormonal one around here!
Jeez, one little comment and all of a sudden you're being called hormonal...
-Josh
Heh... You shoulda seen my original response to that comment. Almost worthy
of Pol'.
Josh Cochran
news:Pine.GHP.4.21.010202...@falcon.csrv.uidaho.edu...
> > >> It is now impossible for me to consider anyone other than Crowe in
> > >> that role.
> > >
> > >Butt kisser. :-)
> >
> > What good would it do for me to suck up? :) I tell it like it is.
>
> Exactly! Good lad, Brad.
You're both incorrigible...
Josh Cochran
> Denis *is* Wedge, no question... the question is which actors could play
the
> character :)
The little-known alternate ending for the DVD version of Project Boussh: It
turns out that a bunch of psychotic fans from around the world kidnapped
Denis Lawson and held him in a cabin in New Hampshire.
-Josh
That's also the PB Cliffs Notes for those of you not keeping up with it.
(ooooh....website idea...)
Josh Cochran
> Is it warm in here? There's a blizzard outside...::eg::
Hey, I thought you weren't "the hormonal one" around here?? :-)
-Josh
I'm never letting it go. BTW, would you like your vibroblade back??
scifantasy
Not necessarily.
In Brad's case, it's impossible to imagine or consider anyone else for
Wes except Crowe, since Kristy's been puting subtle (and not so
subtle) hints into posts for weeks now. That is, he can't consider
anyone else since he's almost completely indoctrinated.
I tell it like it is, too. :)
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
scifantasy
>Policrat' <policr...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Denis *is* Wedge, no question... the question is which actors could play
>the
>> character :)
>
>The little-known alternate ending for the DVD version of Project Boussh: It
>turns out that a bunch of psychotic fans from around the world kidnapped
>Denis Lawson and held him in a cabin in New Hampshire.
Hoo boy...
>-Josh
>That's also the PB Cliffs Notes for those of you not keeping up with it.
>(ooooh....website idea...)
Sithspit...
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
Josh Cochran
> Kate Mulgrew; I can see her enjoying a shot at playing a bad guy.
She always has. You just haven't noticed. :-)
-Josh
If you laid Project Boussh out end to end, could Janeways get Voyager across
it?
Josh Cochran
> As yummy as Jean is, I see Kevin Smith (the Kiwi, not the american
director)
> as Fel.
Hey, we need a Silent Bob cameo...
-Josh
Just discovered those movies. Hysterical!!
scifantasy
>Renata <rena...@my-deja.com> wrote
>> Kate Mulgrew; I can see her enjoying a shot at playing a bad guy.
>
>She always has. You just haven't noticed. :-)
Actually, she did once: Living Witness. A kind of revisionist history.
(www.treknews.com/deltablues/livingwitness.html)
>
>-Josh
>If you laid Project Boussh out end to end, could Janeways get Voyager across
>it?
If it was standing between her and Earth? Yes.
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
Josh Cochran
If we're talking all Rogues of any time period, I have an addition.
Jaina Solo: Katie Holmes
I think she could play Natalie Portman's granddaughter. I know her eyes
aren't the right color, but with contacts that can be fixed. Hmmm... Now
that I think about it, add Rachael Leigh Cooke to that too. And there's
someone else, but it's slipping my mind. The girl from Roswell maybe?
::shrug::
-Josh
Plus if we cast Katie Rent-A-Rogue can get some her DNA and... Well, you
get the idea. :-)
Josh Cochran
> In Brad's case, it's impossible to imagine or consider anyone else for
> Wes except Crowe, since Kristy's been puting subtle (and not so
> subtle) hints into posts for weeks now. That is, he can't consider
> anyone else since he's almost completely indoctrinated.
>
> I tell it like it is, too. :)
Mesa thinks Kristy's been having Vickie and Mike do mind tricks on us for
this Russell Crowe thing. :-)
-Josh
Nick Coghlan
>
> In article <IQFe6.168547$P82.20...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>,
> "Len Clark" <lencl...@home.com> wrote:
> > Hmm... which'll finish first: Project Boussh, or Episode II?
>
> Episode III is my guess...
Damn - beat me to it :>
Cheers,
Nick.
--
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Mobile: 0409 573 268 | http://oneofthesedays.not.there
"Let go your prejudices,
lest they limit your thoughts and actions."
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Gate
> For the nonhumans, I suggest, instead of trying to think of people who
> would be good in a suit, try to think of people who would be good as the
> human equivalent of the nonhuman character. Don't know if that will work,
> but...
> Runt
Can I recommend Rick Worthy for Runt? He's not terribly well-known, but
he's a wonderful actor, has great, expressive eyes, and he's worked in alien
makeup for Star Trek. When I think of the side of Runt that approached Kell
about his 'destructive mind' and who came up with the dance, I see Rick
Worthy.
The link should lead to a screen captured pic...
http://blackraptor.hispeed.com/m7pics/rw001.jpg
Gate
~~~~
Nick Coghlan
>
> Kristy Henscheid <hens...@uidaho.edu> wrote
> > Hey, you should know that flattery should get you far with
> > me. ;-) Besides, he's just the obvious best choice anyway.
>
> Yeah yeah...
You sound defeated... or is just resignation?
>
> > lol--okay, I am not the only hormonal one around here!
>
> Jeez, one little comment and all of a sudden you're being called hormonal...
Kristy's just grasping at straws, since she's being the most *vocally*
hormonal at the moment.
> -Josh
> Heh... You shoulda seen my original response to that comment. Almost worthy
> of Pol'.
Ya gotta tell us now...
Cheers,
Nick.
Plenty of eye-candy in that casting list :>
Nick Coghlan
>
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> > Kristy Henscheid wrote:
> > > Tycho: Robert Duncan McNeill, Sean Bean, Joseph Fiennes
> >
> > find out this guy isn't who I think it is - the hyper-intelligent guy
> > from one of the Star Trek's - Voyager I think)
>
> hyper-intelligent? No, not really. ;-) I love Tom, but he's
> disparage-able. (yes, I just made that up.) He's the blond helmboy on
> Voyager, Nick. A fair actor, though not having seen him in anything else
> I can't really judge.
Yeah - i was thinking of Bashere from DS9. Decided to got with RDM
anyway.
Cheers,
Nick.
Not a huge ST fan.
Josh Cochran
> > Yeah yeah...
>
> You sound defeated... or is just resignation?
Resigned. I am *never* defeated. (That, and I just don't have another
suggestion.)
> > -Josh
> > Heh... You shoulda seen my original response to that comment. Almost
worthy
> > of Pol'.
>
> Ya gotta tell us now...
Well, okay, since you asked. ;-)
> lol--okay, I am not the only hormonal one around here!
Oooh, wait. I misread what Kristy said. I thought she said "I am not the
hormonal one around here!" That "only" makes all the difference. Also makes
my response a whole lot funnier. Here's both versions:
> lol--okay, I am not the hormonal one around here!
It's a good thing, too, cause you're awfully hard to please.
> lol--okay, I am not the only hormonal one around here!
It's a good thing, too, cause you're awfully hard to please.
See what I mean?
-Josh
41 hours with only four hours sleep...any wonder I missed a word?
Nick Coghlan
>
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Josh Nolan wrote:
> > Kristy Henscheid wrote:
> > > Wedge: John Cusack, Ewan McGregor, Noah Hathaway, Denis Lawson
> > If it was NJO Wedge, Lawson would be it. However, for the young, serious
> > Wedge, Cusack gets my vote.
>
> Attention all, Wedge is hereby changed to two categories: NJO Wedge and
> Young Wedge. Please specify all further nominations accordingly.
Cusack & Lawson (ylevitcepser).
>
> > > Wes: Noah Wyle, a younger Gerard Depardieu, Steve Irwin, Jerry Doyle,
> > > Nicholas Brendan, RUSSELL CROWE, Guy Pearce, Ben Affleck, Freddie Prinze,
> > > Jr, Michael DeLuise
> >
> > *Sigh* - all right, my Prophetess. You win. Russell Crowe. :)
>
> YAY!! ::impromptu hug:: I am the champion. ;-)
Passion, backed with evidence. Such a powerful combination :>
> > Christian Bale would probably be better - he seems to be good at playing
> > people who deserve to be taken down a notch. :) This was actually Nick's idea
> > - change his vote, please?
>
> This isn't the election yet, just nominations. (You seem to be trying to
> change Nick's vote a lot. Hmmm. ;-P)
I'd already turned my computer off when Josh was writing his
nominations...
> > > Mirax: Daniella Nardini, Eliza Dushku
> >
> > I'm thinking Joan Cusack - it's about time she got a shot at a non-supporting
> > role. :) Nick votes for Linda Fiorentino. (The Morgue Chick out of Men In
> > Black - and the Grail descendant in Dogma.)
>
> Oooh, I like the Linda Fiorentino idea.
I was pretty happy with that one (Couldn't remember here name - IMDb is
great).
Hmm, maybe you can link the person's name to a relevant URL when you put
the nominations up at AFW Central. Either IMDb or a fan site for movie
actors, and a TV show or fan site for TV actors.
(Interesting - www.tvdb.com has a "future site" place holder. Could it
be a TV equivalent of the IMDb? We can only hope...)
>
> > > Talon Karrde: Gary Oldman, Tim Zahn
> >
> > If Zahn can act, go for it. Otherwise, Gary'll kick arse. :)
>
> Gary always kicks arse!!
Yup :>
> > > Rhysati
> >
> > Nicole Kidman. :)
>
> I like it! (and it happens to match your Tom Cruise as Nawara, how
> clever.)
I wonder what made me think of it? *grin*
Cheers,
Nick.
They seem to do all their movies together these days.
Nick Coghlan
I like the way you think... maybe RaR needs to broaden it's net...
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Coghlan
>
> Nick Coghlan <dark...@uq.net.au> wrote
> > > Yeah yeah...
> >
> > You sound defeated... or is just resignation?
>
> Resigned. I am *never* defeated. (That, and I just don't have another
> suggestion.)
But do you really need one?
>
> > > -Josh
> > > Heh... You shoulda seen my original response to that comment. Almost
> worthy
> > > of Pol'.
> >
> > Ya gotta tell us now...
>
> Well, okay, since you asked. ;-)
>
> > lol--okay, I am not the only hormonal one around here!
>
> Oooh, wait. I misread what Kristy said. I thought she said "I am not the
> hormonal one around here!" That "only" makes all the difference. Also makes
> my response a whole lot funnier. Here's both versions:
>
> > lol--okay, I am not the hormonal one around here!
> It's a good thing, too, cause you're awfully hard to please.
>
> > lol--okay, I am not the only hormonal one around here!
> It's a good thing, too, cause you're awfully hard to please.
>
> See what I mean?
LOL! Impressive. Most impressive.
> -Josh
> 41 hours with only four hours sleep...any wonder I missed a word?
I'm impressed you can still read a computer screen...
Cheers,
Nick.
Policrat'
Ehh?
Pol'
Kristy Henscheid
Bwa ha ha!!! My dastardly plan worked.
Speaking of incorrigible, Josh....
--Prophet Kristy
Russell Crowe for Wes!!
www.rebelpilots.com/afw
Kristy Henscheid
> Renata <rena...@my-deja.com> wrote
> > Kate Mulgrew; I can see her enjoying a shot at playing a bad guy.
> She always has. You just haven't noticed. :-)
That's right!! She's a b!tch with a God-complex!! Argh!
> -Josh
> If you laid Project Boussh out end to end, could Janeways get Voyager across
> it?
Heck no. She'd have to explore it and butt into everyone else's affairs
while spouting Prime Directive Starfleet hypocritical rubbish...
--Prophet Kristy
The Maquis persona's getting out.
Kristy Henscheid
> Josh Cochran e-mused:
> >Renata <rena...@my-deja.com> wrote
> >> Kate Mulgrew; I can see her enjoying a shot at playing a bad guy.
> >She always has. You just haven't noticed. :-)
> Actually, she did once: Living Witness. A kind of revisionist history.
> (www.treknews.com/deltablues/livingwitness.html)
Living Witness was great fun until the Doc came along and fixed it. I
thought the black shirts and gloves looked nifty. Harry as the bad
cop. ha ha ha.
...That was the true Janeway...
> >-Josh
> >If you laid Project Boussh out end to end, could Janeways get Voyager across
> >it?
> If it was standing between her and Earth? Yes.
Ha! No!! Has she gotten to Earth yet? No, despite multiple
possibilities which she always manages to screw over.
--Prophet Kristy
not a Janeway fan! Far from it!
Kristy Henscheid
> Mesa thinks Kristy's been having Vickie and Mike do mind tricks on us for
> this Russell Crowe thing. :-)
Hah, Mike doesn't even agree with me, last time I checked. He thinks
weenie Noah Wyle is Wes. (Okay, I like Wyle. But not as Wes. :-P)
Give in to the truth, Josh!
--Prophet Kristy
Majick
> The Maquis persona's getting out.
I guess you'll be the one looking to shoot Atner, rather than try him for
his crimes, huh?
Which begs the question, is anyone other than Sci able to maintain ther
levelheadedness long enough to disagree with you?
Mike/Majick/Terra Four
Josh Cochran
> Which begs the question, is anyone other than Sci able to maintain ther
> levelheadedness long enough to disagree with you?
I say shoot him. Who needs all those crappy high-minded ideals??
-Josh
Len Clark
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> Allax <shanonst...@sprynet.com> wrote
> > As yummy as Jean is, I see Kevin Smith (the Kiwi, not the american
> director)
> > as Fel.
>
> Hey, we need a Silent Bob cameo...
Jay and Silent Bob as Hobbie and Wes! ;)
>
> -Josh
> Just discovered those movies. Hysterical!!
>
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scifantasy
Guess not.
Question is, is shooting him inevitable?
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
Allax
Kristy Henscheid wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Allax wrote:
>> Kristy doth spake ...
>> > Iella
>> Who's good enough for Wedge?
>That's the real trick, ain't it?
Yup. Would have to be one of those "made for it ppl" like Karen Allen in
Raiders, or Carrie as Leia- this is a hard one to cast.
I suppose Claudia Christian would make it in the looks and toughness
departments....
>> How much time are we going to take for nominations anyway?
>Until the discussion dies again. Then I'll run a vote.
So I still have some time to dig around. ;)
>--Prophet Kristy
>agreeing to disagree with Shanon on Wes...
hehehe, a little friendly competition never hurt anyone :)
Having first seen Crowe as Sid 6.7 in Virtuosity I'd like to see him as a
villain more, he can do a 'stop you cold' glare pretty well.
Shanon
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Allax
Len Clark wrote in message ...
>"Josh Cochran" wrote...
>> Allax wrote:
>> > As yummy as Jean is, I see Kevin Smith (the Kiwi, not the american
>> director)
>> > as Fel.
>>
>> Hey, we need a Silent Bob cameo...
>Jay and Silent Bob as Hobbie and Wes! ;)
ROFL!!!
Oh dear...that takes it into a WHOLE new area...not sure if I want to go
there.
Hey, didja know that Ben Affleck is in several of those movies??? <eg>
Shanon ::plugging away for Wes's sake:::
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Kristy Henscheid
> > --Prophet Kristy
> > The Maquis persona's getting out.
> I guess you'll be the one looking to shoot Atner, rather than try him for
> his crimes, huh?
I doubt that...I'll let Thayer have that pleasure,
Hamlet-style. ;-) Besides I'm not that vengeful IRL.
--Prophet Kristy
take that as you will
scifantasy
>On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Majick wrote:
>> > --Prophet Kristy
>> > The Maquis persona's getting out.
>> I guess you'll be the one looking to shoot Atner, rather than try him for
>> his crimes, huh?
>
>I doubt that...I'll let Thayer have that pleasure,
>Hamlet-style. ;-) Besides I'm not that vengeful IRL.
I was thinking about that.
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
Josh Nolan
scifantasy wrote:
"NO! To the pain."
>
> --scifantasy
> "RTF*"
Josh.
--
"Always - always remember... Less is less, more is more,
more is better, and twice as much is good too.
Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except
when it's just about right."
- The Tick.
Majick
ther
> > >> levelheadedness long enough to disagree with you?
> > >
> > >I say shoot him. Who needs all those crappy high-minded ideals??
> >
> > Guess not.
> >
> > Question is, is shooting him inevitable?
> >
>
> "NO! To the pain."
Shooting isn't inevitable. After all, Josh, Corran or Vickie could cleave
him in two (I love the word 'cleave', by the way).
Other than that, the only possible alternative is in him being captured by
Thayer and the rest of his group. Atner cannot be tried in a New Republic
court, nor would the UN believe any of the charges we could lay against him.
Personally I go for the Isard option: Lock him away for a long, long time.
Mike/Majick/Terra Four
Josh Nolan
scifantasy wrote:
What if Eugor commits to institituting a democracy on Mendellia (with himself
as President Pro Tem, of course) while Thayer just wants to be dictator?
Thayer's a good guy and all... but if he's going to perpetuate an absolute
monarchy, then we may have some problems.:)
Kristy Henscheid
> scifantasy wrote:
> > Josh Cochran e-mused:
> > >Majick <michae...@btinternet.com> wrote >
> > >> Which begs the question, is anyone other than Sci able to maintain ther
> > >> levelheadedness long enough to disagree with you?
> > >
> > >I say shoot him. Who needs all those crappy high-minded ideals??
> >
> > Guess not.
> >
> > Question is, is shooting him inevitable?
>
> What if Eugor commits to institituting a democracy on Mendellia (with himself
> as President Pro Tem, of course) while Thayer just wants to be dictator?
>
> Thayer's a good guy and all... but if he's going to perpetuate an absolute
> monarchy, then we may have some problems.:)
So do we have a Prime Directive to follow, or are we just going to muck
with their system to suit themselves?
Ohmigod, I can't believe I just said that. I HATE the Prime
Directive! Forty-seven lashes with a wet noodle!
--Prophet Kristy
die, Starfleet, die
Policrat'
> scifantasy wrote:
>
>> Josh Cochran e-mused:
>>
>>> Majick <michae...@btinternet.com> wrote >
>>>> Which begs the question, is anyone other than Sci able to maintain ther
>>>> levelheadedness long enough to disagree with you?
>>>
>>> I say shoot him. Who needs all those crappy high-minded ideals??
>>
>> Guess not.
>>
>> Question is, is shooting him inevitable?
>>
>
> What if Eugor commits to institituting a democracy on Mendellia (with himself
> as President Pro Tem, of course) while Thayer just wants to be dictator?
>
> Thayer's a good guy and all... but if he's going to perpetuate an absolute
> monarchy, then we may have some problems.:)
Why?-)
> Josh.
Pol'
Policrat'
Better than a nemetode worm...
> --Prophet Kristy
> die, Starfleet, die
Hey, we agree!
=)
Pol'
Josh Nolan
Policrat' wrote:
An absolute monarchy is an okay system of government *if* the monarch is a good
guy. Which Thayer seems to be.
But the problem arises if, say, Thayer gets sick. Or dies. Even worse, dies
without a designated heir. Can we guarantee that the new Mendellian monarch will
be another Thayer? Or will he (or she, if the Mendellian constitution allows it)
resemble Eugor a bit more? Or worse, what if the new monarch is an incompetent
fool?
A democracy, on the other hand, has (or should have) checks against the chosen
leader being oppressive or otherwise nasty. The trade-off is, of course, that a
good leader won't be able to do quite as much because of those same checks.
A good monarchy is a whole lot better than a good democracy.
A bad monarchy is a whole lot worse than a bad democracy (generally, anyway...).
Putting Thayer on the throne and saying, "Yay, everything's better," is thinking
too much in the short term. IMHO, anyway. :)
Personally, I think Thayer would be more amenable to, say, bringing in a
constitutional monarchy (e.g., Britain, Canada, Australia) than Eugor. But what if
I'm wrong?
As far as the 'Prime Directive' thing goes, the NR is perfectly capable of
interfering - it's just that there'll be diplomatic repercussions if anyone finds
out. Their involvement with the Mendellian government can be justified by pointing
to the fact the Imperials got involved first. Otherwise, people back in the GFFA
who may or may not find out might point at any interference and cite that as a
reason for not joining the NR.
My two cents, anyway.
Brad Carletti
>> Wes except Crowe, since Kristy's been puting subtle (and not so
>> subtle) hints into posts for weeks now. That is, he can't consider
>> anyone else since he's almost completely indoctrinated.
>
>Bwa ha ha!!! My dastardly plan worked.
>
>Speaking of incorrigible, Josh....
It's funny because it's true. :)
--
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FREE JEFF K! FREE JEFF K DAMN YOU!
(http://somethingawful.efront.com/jeffk/)
Brad Carletti
>
>To Castin Donn, I'm going to add Brad Pitt--because I would really enjoy
>seeing him be an idiot and Die. ;-)
Wait.
Castin Donn? Who else but Brad Carletti? :)
Brad Carletti
>> monarchy, then we may have some problems.:)
>
>So do we have a Prime Directive to follow, or are we just going to muck
>with their system to suit themselves?
As much as I'd hate to support the Prime Directive... It's Thayer's
country, not ours. Why would we waste our time with it?
>--Prophet Kristy
>die, Starfleet, die
The Federation Starfleet. You will never find a more wretched hive of
stupid fucking idiots. :)
Brad Carletti
>
>I agree on the SW Questies unite bit, but I'm not so sure about Jimmy as
>Tych. I'll think on that.
He's perfect.
With your shield, OR ON IT, GODDAMN IT. :)
Brad Carletti
>>
>>Okay, that's it, this week the Prophetess is hitting the IMDB for to
>>identify all these epopel she doesn't know...
>epopel? :)
>
>Jessica Alba is the main character in 'Dark Angel'
... which hasn't been shown in AU yet :(
Durandir
Josh Nolan <jo...@uq.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> Policrat' wrote:
>
> > Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Josh Nolan:
> >
> > > scifantasy wrote:
> > >
> > >> Josh Cochran e-mused:
> > >>
> > >>> Majick <michae...@btinternet.com> wrote >
> > >>>> Which begs the question, is anyone other than Sci able to
maintain ther
> > >>>> levelheadedness long enough to disagree with you?
> > >>>
> > >>> I say shoot him. Who needs all those crappy high-minded ideals??
> > >>
> > >> Guess not.
> > >>
> > >> Question is, is shooting him inevitable?
> > >>
> > >
> > > What if Eugor commits to institituting a democracy on Mendellia
(with himself
> > > as President Pro Tem, of course) while Thayer just wants to be
dictator?
> > >
> > > Thayer's a good guy and all... but if he's going to perpetuate an
absolute
> > > monarchy, then we may have some problems.:)
> >
> > Why?-)
> >
>
> An absolute monarchy is an okay system of government *if* the monarch
is a good
> guy. Which Thayer seems to be.
Well of course :-)
> But the problem arises if, say, Thayer gets sick. Or dies. Even
worse, dies
> without a designated heir. Can we guarantee that the new Mendellian
monarch will
> be another Thayer? Or will he (or she, if the Mendellian
constitution allows it)
> resemble Eugor a bit more? Or worse, what if the new monarch is an
incompetent
> fool?
>
> A democracy, on the other hand, has (or should have) checks against
the chosen
> leader being oppressive or otherwise nasty. The trade-off is, of
course, that a
> good leader won't be able to do quite as much because of those same
checks.
>
> A good monarchy is a whole lot better than a good democracy.
>
> A bad monarchy is a whole lot worse than a bad democracy (generally,
anyway...).
Aristotle? (Hm...I know I've read the monarchy/aristocracy/democracy
discussion somewhere. I think it was Aristotle.)
> Putting Thayer on the throne and saying, "Yay, everything's better,"
is thinking
> too much in the short term. IMHO, anyway. :)
>
> Personally, I think Thayer would be more amenable to, say, bringing
in a
> constitutional monarchy (e.g., Britain, Canada, Australia) than
Eugor. But what if
> I'm wrong?
I think you're right, actually. :-) After all...Thayer may've been
raised a prince, but he's spent the past...um, I'm not sure how
long...heading up this resistance movement, and that's put him face to
face with the people of Mendellia more often than he ever had
opportunity before Eugor's coup. And he's young enough still to be open
to changes.
All the same...it's quite a change, making a democracy out of a
monarchy. Sometimes revolutions lead to nicely ordered republics;
sometimes they lead to Terrors and Directories...and Empires...and
Restorations...and Second Republics...and Second Empires...and maybe
eventually, if you're lucky, Third Republics that last a while. :-)
(But then I've been reading too much French history lately...) But then
if the change can be made peaceably, not by popular revolution but by
the nation's leader, maybe the resulting democracy will be more stable.
And I'm sure Thayer knows his French history, too. :-)
You also have to consider the populace--whether they can handle a
democracy. Sometimes, when people are accustomed to a tyrant's rule, if
you kill the tyrant for them, they'll just find a new tyrant, rather
than taking the opportunity to find a better form of government. (I'm
thinking of Musset's Lorenzaccio. Yes, I have a French lit test today;
can you tell? ;-)
And also...who said Mendellia's government was an absolute monarchy in
the first place? :-) What they have now is a tyrant, not a monarch.
Eugor killed his brother and seized power...it may be that he seized
more power than the Mendellian Dictator would normally hold. With the
Imps backing him up, who's going to stop him? With Eugor out of the
way, Mendellia could go back to...whatever they had before. Maybe with
more precautions in place to prevent such a coup happening again.
Anyway, as far as Eugor's fate...I think Thayer's less vengeful now
than he was shortly after his father's death, but more set on justice
than ever--since joining the resistance, he's seen a lot more of
Eugor's crimes than that initial murder. He'll want his uncle brought
to justice, but that may or may not mean killing him. Actually...I'm
seeing something like a Bastille Day at the High Palace. Let Atner be
trying to escape when he realizes we're in the Palace, and let him
escape right into a mob of angry Mendellians. They can guillotine him
or whatever passes for guillotining in Mendellia. (Hm. I really need to
get that French test over with so I can find different analogies...)
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> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, The Boyds wrote:
> > Booster: Why not Sean Connery?
>
> Because Tommy Lee Jones is perfect? ;-P Noted.
>
> > And Jessica Alba would actually make a good Asyr.
>
> Okay, that's it, this week the Prophetess is hitting the IMDB for to
> identify all these epopel she doesn't know...
Dark Angel... 'nuf said.
(That's why I think she'd kick ass as Shalla. But I don't know if she's dark
enough...)
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Josh Nolan
Durandir wrote:
I can believe it - I wasn't deliberately quoting anyone, though.
<snip assessment of Thayer's character and disposition>
> You also have to consider the populace--whether they can handle a
> democracy. Sometimes, when people are accustomed to a tyrant's rule, if
> you kill the tyrant for them, they'll just find a new tyrant, rather
> than taking the opportunity to find a better form of government. (I'm
> thinking of Musset's Lorenzaccio. Yes, I have a French lit test today;
> can you tell? ;-)
Yes, I can tell. :) However, the thing to consider when it comes to the
populace is that if Thayer has a hope in hell of running a successful
revolution, he has to *convince* the people. If a bunch of Neo-Nazis staged
a military coup in the U.S., would the population stand for it? (Strictly
an example - I realise said coup probably isn't feasible, for more reasons
than just the will of the people.)
This is something Mao Zedong kept in mind in the Communist revolution in
China. By having the Communist guerillas treat the general population well,
the population provided support for the guerillas, as well as being amenable
to the Communists taking control. If Thayer is doing the same kind of thing
(which is advisable) then the Mendellian people will be looking forward to
the brave new democratic (or whatever) world that Thayer has to offer.
>
> And also...who said Mendellia's government was an absolute monarchy in
> the first place? :-) What they have now is a tyrant, not a monarch.
> Eugor killed his brother and seized power...it may be that he seized
> more power than the Mendellian Dictator would normally hold.
Maybe, but 'Dictator' sounds like a modern term for 'King' - especially with
the hereditary aspects of the office. Which makes me think - perhaps the
leaders are the ones *literally* 'bred to rule'?
But since Eugor didn't change the title - e.g. 'Dictator for Life', 'Grand
Dictator', 'Well-Hung Dictator Who All The Ladies Like' - it would seem he
hasn't greatly upset the normal functioning of the office. All of these
would point towards an absolute monarchy - but, since we know very little
about Mendellia or its history, this is all conjecture.
With the
> Imps backing him up, who's going to stop him? With Eugor out of the
> way, Mendellia could go back to...whatever they had before. Maybe with
> more precautions in place to prevent such a coup happening again.
>
> Anyway, as far as Eugor's fate...I think Thayer's less vengeful now
> than he was shortly after his father's death, but more set on justice
> than ever--since joining the resistance, he's seen a lot more of
> Eugor's crimes than that initial murder. He'll want his uncle brought
> to justice, but that may or may not mean killing him. Actually...I'm
> seeing something like a Bastille Day at the High Palace. Let Atner be
> trying to escape when he realizes we're in the Palace, and let him
> escape right into a mob of angry Mendellians. They can guillotine him
> or whatever passes for guillotining in Mendellia.
Of course, to do this from a literary point of view - let's bring out some
of his bigger atrocities to have people hate him.
His breeding licenses, for example. Anyone, man or woman, wishing to have
children has to undergo a series of taxing, invasive and downright
embarrasing tests to determine their 'genetic quotient'. Anyone who comes
up substandard is forbidden to have children under pain of death - and not
many people are apparently up to scratch.
So, naturally, people go ahead and have kids regardless - but, generally,
armed troops breaking into homes and making small families disappear -
occasionally with gunfire - is a *good* way to get a populace mad at you.
It's also a damn good way to get them as terrified as hell.
Just some suggestions. :)
Policrat'
W?
[snip $0.01 of Josh's post]
> My two cents, anyway.
> Josh.
=)
Pol'
Josh Nolan
Policrat' wrote:
Okey-dokey - I'm not a political expert, so much of what I have to say here will
sound like it's coming from an uneducated moron (with good reason, since it is).
Also, I'm using 'monarchy' and 'democracy' in very general terms. Under the
defintions given below, for example, Republican Rome would be classed as a democracy
- which it wasn't, quite. That said -
'good' government - increases prosperity and happiness of its people, doesn't start
wars without a VERY good reason, spends its money on projects to the benefit of its
people (infrastructure, e.g.).
'bad' government - doesn't care a whit about the prosperity or happiness of its
people, as long as they're productive; willing, if not eager, to use war for its
own ends; spends its money to benefit the rulers and other designated high-class
people - and no-one else.
Since 'good' and 'bad' are subjective, I thought I'd try and clear up what I mean by
those terms. (And a 'bad' government doesn't have to be militaristic - but it
helps.)
An absolute monarchy tends to work on the mechanic, "What the (insert ruler's title
here) says goes." The monarch generally rules for their lifetime. The monarch may
or may not have advisers, or a staff, but that's the general gist of it. A feudal
system of monarchy does spread the power around a bit, but the source of power is
the ruler. (I know, historically, that in most Christian European monarchies, the
Church had a hand in this - but I'm mouthing off about enough things I know nothing
about already.)
The thing is, in a monarchy things will tend to benefit the monarch and the
monarch's friends. The monarch and his/her friends will often be beyond the reach
of the law that binds most 'commoners'. This greatly increases the normal human
temptation to further oneself at the detriment of lots of others.
In a democracy, a leader is elected for a fixed term (there may be exceptions to
this - none occur to me offhand, though). Before and after that, they are
theoretically a normal citizen. They are elected by a majority of voting citizens
(again, in theory - this is dependent on the election mechanism, I guess). If they
seek to gather power for their office, they will still lose their office after a
given period (unless they can extend their term...). If they seek to gather power
for themselves, their opponents will (hopefully) use the system of government to
remove the power-seekers from office.
Major decisions generally seem to require a poll of voters. If a leader attempts to
be made President for Life, for example, the leader must convince the people to let
them. This persuasion may very well be done at gunpoint - but it's a lot harder to
pull off such a thing without looking very bad internationally.
However, in working to benefit anyone, political opponents to the incumbent leader
have a hand in blocking it. This is good if it is genuinely a bad idea. However,
humans being the lovely creatures they are, blocking an initiative may be symbolic
of another agenda entirely. Hence, it is harder to do 'good' governing in a
democracy.
It is a whole heap harder to 'bad' governing, though, which is kind of the point.
I hope this was worth the cent. :) (And if I've said anything hopelessly naive,
please set me straight.)
Josh.
Sorry about the rant, people... :)
Kristy Henscheid
> >> Castin Donn: Michael Shanks?
> >To Castin Donn, I'm going to add Brad Pitt--because I would really enjoy
> >seeing him be an idiot and Die. ;-)
> Wait.
>
> Castin Donn? Who else but Brad Carletti? :)
Hey, you're right!! (so you're xenophobic too?)
--Prophet Kristy
heh heh heh...
Kristy Henscheid
> >> Thayer's a good guy and all... but if he's going to perpetuate an absolute
> >> monarchy, then we may have some problems.:)
> >So do we have a Prime Directive to follow, or are we just going to muck
> >with their system to suit themselves?
> As much as I'd hate to support the Prime Directive... It's Thayer's
> country, not ours. Why would we waste our time with it?
That's what I'm thinking. I mean, really; we didn't get into this because
of any problems with Mendellia's government. We got into this because
Quiara went missing. Let's not lose sight of our goal here: to rescue
Quiara. Membership/working for the New Republic is just a bonus. If
we're going to go messing around with Mendellia's established government,
what's stopping us from doing the same all over the world?
Helping Thayer reclaim his rightful position, yes. (If only because our
goals happen to collide at this moment in time.) Changing what that
position is, I don't think so.
> >--Prophet Kristy
> >die, Starfleet, die
> The Federation Starfleet. You will never find a more wretched hive of
> stupid fucking idiots. :)
I completely agree with your sentiment, if maybe not your exact choice of
words... ;-)
--Prophet Kristy
philosophical discussion? I'm all for that
Majick
> or whatever passes for guillotining in Mendellia. (Hm. I really need to
> get that French test over with so I can find different analogies...)
One of the crowd is a Dark Jedi, and does the Force garrotte thing?
M/M/TF
Vickie Boyd
How about I just Force Push him off the cliff?
-Vickie
(whoops, that was a rather Dark thing to say)
Durandir
Nah, nah, the point is, Death By Mob...a nice little mini-Revolution so
the good folks of Mendellia can let off some steam...
scifantasy
>Nah, nah, the point is, Death By Mob...a nice little mini-Revolution so
>the good folks of Mendellia can let off some steam...
The Thurmadorian Reaction.
--scifantasy
"RTF*"
Brad Carletti
>
>Hey, you're right!! (so you're xenophobic too?)
Won't know until I'm face to face with a Gamorrean. :)
Brad Carletti
>>
>> A bad monarchy is a whole lot worse than a bad democracy (generally,
>> anyway...).
>
>W?
Cos in a bad democracy you don't have to wait until the monarch keels
over.
Brad Carletti
>
>(That's why I think she'd kick ass as Shalla. But I don't know if she's dark
>enough...)
That's what cosmetics are for.