Re: Rational Atheists: The list

[fasgnadh]

On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>
> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
...

> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
> of course:
>
> Alex W.
>
> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>
> DanielSan

# From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
# Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
# was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
# Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800
# Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>
#
# On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
# > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
#
# >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
# >
# > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
#
# Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.

"Atheists are Pussies" B^D

> John Baker


# From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
# Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
# Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
#
# Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
# I've been giving it quite a
# lot of thought lately, and I've
# decided it's time for me to move on.
#
# I've finally reached the end of my rope.
#
# I've simply had all I can stand
@
# I just can't handle it anymore.
#
# I don't see myself continuing

# I'm going to end up going postal.

> Mitchell Holman
>
> Sulfate
>
> Jim Burns
>
> Olrik

Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.

They are all as mad as cut snakes...

> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own
> candidates

St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"

His Acolyte, Bukakke:

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka


Warlord Fluffy:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA


Chris Lee:


# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.


> Thanks!

You're welcome, people need to be warned, as they look just like
real people.


--

---------

Atheists are in retreat:

Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:


# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being
# - Richard Dawkins

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??

..Atheist activist Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
as a religion:

# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009



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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



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[fasgnadh]

On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:

Yup, all mad as cut snakes!

>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few.

>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."

Sure, it's a pretty short list:

# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,




> *Ahem*.





>> Thanks!

[fasgnadh]

Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...

>>
>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.

about 100% of them.

They are all as mad as cut snakes...

>> ----
>>
>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."
>>

>> Thanks!
>
> The ranks have thinned.

Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]

but the process is repeated worldwide:


"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"


- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

Atheism has been in decline shince the atheist tyrannies of the
20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea

> Back in the day we had so many...

Now it's just the remaining atheiSheep in Nth Korea.

# From: Richo <m.richa...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farwell.
# Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <acbca475-4901-4b6d-
# ab9d-44f...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
#
# It has been a very long time coming but I have finally had enough.
#...
# it is getting to me lately.
#
# There are no decent arguments
# ....
# And its not any "fun" anymore.
#
# Farewell

> Mark
> (a lingering ghost from the past...)

Just like atheism, the stale smell of an old fart.

[fasgnadh]

John Baker whined himself into another breakdown:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:25:05 -0800 (PST), Richo
> <m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>

...
>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>> of course:
>>>
>>> Alex W.
>>>
>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>
>>> DanielSan
>>>

>>> John Baker

>>>
>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> Sulfate
>>>
>>> Jim Burns
>>>
>>> Olrik
>>>

Vurgil,

Steve Knight,

Bukakke

et al

>>> ----
>>>
>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own
>>> candidates to be on the list

Chris "Drillchuck" lee

>>> Thanks!
>>
>> The ranks have thinned.

Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]

but the Atheist decline is repeated worldwide:

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"


- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

>> Back in the day we had so many...

Atheism has been in decline since the atheist tyrannies of the

20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea

Most people celebrate the decline of Atheism.

> We've always had the ones who stay a while and then move on

Nemotoad
Virgil
Hypatia
Trance Stupor
Carey Kitterel
DuhIdiot
AZ Nomad
Robibnikoff
Kilmir
Smiler
Douglas Berry
pbamvv
Uncle Vic
johac
Louis 14
Frank Mayhar
Tim McGauchy
Vipera Berus

All scalps hanging in my trophy room! B^]


> Unfortunately, the trolls have gotten so bad in recent years

# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<128235a0-640d-495a...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#

# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
# >
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA

#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant

Trance, another troll I took care of, who denies the existence
of Militant Atheist thugs, here is seen signing up to Kill theists
and shit down their throats. 8^o

> that they've driven many of the long-time regulars away.

Shame made them run away, shame and public humiliation.

> I miss the days when service providers actually did something about
> trolls.

You would have lost Vurgil the post forger, Warlord Steve, the violent
thug and Bukakke who claims she can disprove Creation, in posts she
CREATES! YOu would certainly have lost FDrillChuck Lee! 8^o

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:

alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

> I wonder what makes a person so shallow, so mean-spirited and so
> utterly devoid of common human decency that they can find nothing
> better to do with their time than harrass complete strangers for no
> good reason.

Atheism, apparently, as Chris Lee demonstrates:

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

> But at the risk of being flamed, I'll state my opinion:

# From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
# Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
# Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
#
# Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
# I've been giving it quite a
# lot of thought lately, and I've
# decided it's time for me to move on.
#
# I've finally reached the end of my rope.
#
# I've simply had all I can stand
@
# I just can't handle it anymore.
#
# I don't see myself continuing

# I'm going to end up going postal.

Can someone call Suicide Watch! 8^o

> much to blame for a.a's current sorry state


It is a sorry state, just like every Atheist state
in history, and it's all your own doing, you sad-sack losers.

>> Mark
>> (a lingering ghost from the past...)

Your sheltered workshop is full of such troubled spirits;


"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."

-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists

B^D

Shouldn't your therapist have to hear that, not us!?

B^D

That's the reason a.a. is in decline, your "personal issues" are
serious personality disorders!

[fasgnadh]

On 25/02/2012 2:41 PM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:
> On 2012-Feb-24 19:31, Smiler wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:17:20 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>> atheist goddess wrote:
>>> On 2012-Feb-23 21:36, SkyEyes wrote:

>>>> On Feb 23, 2:56 am, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
...
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>> of course:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>>
>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>>
>>>>> John Baker
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>> Olrik
>>>>>

>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few.

Warlord(snicker) Steve
Bukakke
Trance Stupor
Nemotoad
Virgil
Hypatia

Carey Kitterel
DuhIdiot
AZ Nomad
Robibnikoff
Kilmir
Smiler
Douglas Berry
pbamvv
Uncle Vic
johac
Louis 14
Frank Mayhar
Tim McGauchy
Vipera Berus

>>>>> Ok, quite a few.

All scalps on my trophy wall.

>>>>> Please nominate your own
>>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."

There is only one who has ever admitted the truth
about the failure of atheism:


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"



# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,

>>>>> Thanks!

No one else found any names to nominate, to date!

Perhaps someone could nominate some of the many atheists who
have given the whole stupid atheist nonsense away?

>>>> They haven't been around much lately, but I'd nominate Haiku Jones,
>>>> archie dux, conan the bacterium, and nature-bats-last.
>>>
>>> There are likely many names that have been forgotten...

Sorry, who are you ?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAA

>>> I just performed a quick count, and it appears that alt.atheism has had
>>> at least 58,000 different posters since its inception.
>>
>> What percentage were atheists

0.7%

>> and what percentage were religious

80%

And what percentage were BAAWA

>> morons?

all of them.

> Good question.

Even better answers from the ARIS data.

# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D


719,000 increase in 7 years!
Meanwhile in One nation, China, over the same period, there were
300,000,000 new believers! 8^o


Atheists are only 4% of non-believers
96% of non-believers reject atheism!

[Vurgil]

In article <Qw52r.3621$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

Albert Einstein springs immediately to mind:

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

[Vurgil]

In article <XM52r.3622$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

And don't forget Albert Einstein

[Vurgil]

In article <9Q42r.3617$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
> > <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> >> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.

Premier among them, though no longer in a position to post, should be
ALBERT EINSTEIN.

[Vurgil]

In article <bG42r.3616$%E2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
> >
> > there are a number of self identified atheists

> > who are as dogmatic as any theist.

Heading up any such list should be Albert Einstein.

[Vurgil]

In article <v252r.3618$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
> > On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> >> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>
> about 100% of them.

Including Albert Einstein

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And heąs
intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.

In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."

[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]

"Doesnąt that description sound an awful lot like God?"

[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]

łCertainly,˛ Professor Dawkins replies. łItąs highly
plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there
are God-like creatures.˛

He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks heąs gone
around a religious bend. łItąs very important to
understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛

Could they be immortal?

The professor shrugs. łProbably not.˛ He smiles and adds ,
łBut I wouldnąt want to be too dogmatic about that.˛


The complete article appeared in print on September 20, 2011, in

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

[fasgnadh]

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
actions of human beings."

Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929

"..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
Religion...

science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."

- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954


Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:

"Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
or is God to bound by the laws of science?"

"Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related


Most of the Great scientific discoveries throughout history have
been the work of theists, for centuries they were inspired to
search for meaning because they believed it would be found.

When atheists, like everyone else were believers in the flat earth and
the Earth at the centre of the universe with Sol orbiting around it,
three believers, Copernicus, Tycho and Galileo created a revolution
in human understanding.

It's about time that atheists acknowledged that religion and science
are in harmony, and the debt they owe to the preponderance of theist
scientists, and the progress in human understanding which has led to
the free, open, progressive, rights based, prosperous, scientifically
literate secular democracies BUILT and SUSTAINED by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies, not one of them built by atheist states which were all
totalitarian tyrannies, full of terror, torture, despair and the death
of over 80,000,000 people and WERE INFERIOR in social justice, economic
progress, science and technology!

---------
The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
are aware of it

- Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher

René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.


I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world

- Louis Pasteur 1822-95

As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.

- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727

The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.

- Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
"My view of the World" 1918

There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
and harmony.

- Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
"Where is Science Going" 1918

"Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
-Sir Arthur Eddington

Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism.

- 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)

George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)

Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)

Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)

Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)

Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)

Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)

Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.

Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)

Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)

Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)

Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)

Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)

Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)

Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)



Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)


"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects." - Albert Einstein

"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28

"The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
(noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
University)


Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;

Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
on experimentation and inductive reasoning.

Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.

William Turner the "father of English botany"

John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.

Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
astronomical observations,

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
necessary demonstrations.

- Galileo Galilei 1615.

..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
is lame, religion without science is blind.

- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954

The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven

- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642

Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
(math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).

Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology

Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
science could improve glorification of God.

John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.


Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
machine

Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
mathematicians in history.

Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society

Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.

Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.

Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,

Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician

Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
Michael Faraday

Charles Babbage

Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"

Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.

Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
development of the first vaccines.


Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,

Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials

Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry

John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.

Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics

Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
Astronomical Society,

Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.

Georges Lemaître proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest

Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science

von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.

Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
Convergence of Science and Religion.

Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
Thomas Prize.

John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.

Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
Noncommutative geometry.

Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize

Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.

John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.

Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.

Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.

Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
evolutionary dynamics.

Robert Boyle

Michael Faraday

And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 8:20 AM, Vurgil wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 12:07 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>> >>
>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>
>> about 100% of them.

> Albert Einstein

was clearly not an atheist:

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 7:52 AM, Vurgil wrote:

The ONLY rational and honest atheist in USENET!

B^]

> And don't forget Albert Einstein

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>
>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>
> Heading up any such list

of theists

> should be Albert Einstein.

[Vurgil]

In article <T8i2r.3475$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

> > On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an Italian
> > immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New Jersey.
> > Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by a news
> > report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious. Einstein
> > replied on 24 March 1954:
> > It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
> > convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
> > I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
> > this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
> > which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
> > admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
> > can reveal it.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views
>

> ---------
>
> Atheists are in retreat:

Atheists in retreat make far more progress than Creationist nerds like
fasgnadh do when advancing.

>
> Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:

Not to those who read the entire text and do not quote-mine to make
white look like black.

See for yourselves:

[Vurgil]

In article <Kni2r.3476$v14...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Albert Einstein was clearly not an atheist

Einstein is of a different opinion, to only atheist but anti-theist, at
least about the kinds of gods fasgnadh tries to sell us.

[Vurgil]

In article <gsi2r.3671$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ---------
>
> Atheists are in retreat:

Not to those who do not cut sentences in half.

> Dawkins declares

łItąs highly plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there are

God-like creatures. Itąs very important to understand that these

[future] Gods came into being by an explicable scientific progression
of incremental evolution.˛

Read the whole thing:

[Vurgil]

In article <C2j2r.3674$%E2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
> >> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
> >>>
> >>> there are a number of self identified atheists
> >>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
> >
> > Heading up any such list
>
> of theists
>
> > should be Albert Einstein.

Not to those who are aware of the following.

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 7:45 PM, Vurgil wrote:

>>> Albert Einstein
>>

>> was clearly not an atheist:
>>
>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>> actions of human beings."
>>
>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>>
>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
>> imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
>> This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
>> Religion...
>>
>> science without religion is lame,
>> religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>

> Einstein is of a different opinion,

to all atheists and some theists

His response to Quantum Mechanics is interesting;

"God does not play dice with the universe."

>the kinds of gods fasgnadh tries to sell us.

That's funny, all I'm doing is QUOTING THE SCIENTISTS
who believe in God.. to demonstrate the LIES you atheists
tell, claiming that there is some fundamental CONFLICT between
religious belief and World Class Science!

>
> On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
> Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
> Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
> a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
> Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
> It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
> convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
> I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
> this but have expressed it clearly.

We have already esrtablished this you pathetic dimwit.

Einstein did not believe in a PERSONAL GOD, he believed in a God
who does not play dice with the universe..

The nature of each persons belief in God is their business, in my view,
but you atheists, part of your athei-charm, is to try and TELL OTHERS
WHAT THEY THINK AND BELIEVE and ignore what THEY say about it.

> If something is in me
> which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
> admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
> can reveal it.

Hey, I know lots of believers who feel PRECISELY that way, and have
nothing to do with Organised Religion.

B^D


> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

These atheists seem desperate to DIMINISH the beliefs of great
scientific believers and yet their own Guru of Gullibility, Profit
Dawkins, they BELIEVE WITHOUT QUESTION when he says of ATHEIST GODs
"These Gods Came into being..."

Pffffft

Have you ever seen a bigger group of BLATANT HYPOCRITES! B^p

Here are the facts, from history, on the harmony between great science
and belief;

[fasgnadh]

Richo snipped all the EVIDENCE so he could share some wishful thinking:
> fasgnadh provided EVIDENCE of atheism's relative DECLINE globally :

>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...

<unsnip all the facts the atheists snip and run from, as usual>

> (1) The newsgroup "alt.atheism" isn't atheism (or Atheism) - they are
> two separate entities.

And while I have documented the GLOBAL decline in atheism;

- The collapse of the 20th Century atheist tyrannies
- the increase of 3000,000,000 new believers in China alone
unmatched by the increase in atheists in the USA of a mere few
hundred thousand

Richo provided his individual sense of decline.

I merely used his despair as a personal testimonial which
illustrates the reality revealed by the global figures.


> (2) Atheism (and more generally non-belief) is a growing demographic -
> excepting in places where it can get you killed by the faithful.

No evidence from you at all? How sad you can't provide any facts
to support your wishful thinking.. but you really do look desperate
when you SNIP the evidence such as that cited by Dr Reza Aslam,
on the surge in religion since the Atheist tyrannies of the 20th century
were overthrown and people regained their FREEDOM to THINK
and believe, which EVERY ATHEIST STATE IN HISTORY HAS REPRESSED!


I can see why you atheist avoid discussion of history, too much
EVIDENCE of your failures.. and that's why you prefer to
argue Metaphysics, to which there are never any answers.

I mean look at Bukakke, your one remaining, totally OBSESSIVE, Chumpion!

No matter what the subject, and who is raising it, Bukakke ALWAYS
tries to snip and run from it and change the thread to Creationism!


Has anyone told Bukakke that in my country, in every school, EVOLUTION
is taught, and that includes the Catholic sector(20% of schoolkids)
and the private Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant schools.

Why does Bukakke flog a deceased equine, when it's irrelevant to
mainstream religion?

More generally, is that ALL that contemporary atheism has to WHINE about?

I mean we are used to your ENDLESS, CARPING AND WHINING, but couldn't
you at least change the fucking TUNE occasionally! B^p


> Mark.

(Weakly) Defensive as usual

[Vurgil]

In article <E2b9r.4703$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
>

No he does not

>
> # "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being
> #

³It¹s very important to understand that these Gods came into being by
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.²
- Richard Dawkins

[Vurgil]

In article <_Ia9r.4554$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods

> # came into being
> # - Richard Dawkins

But that is not what Dawkins said, Note no period, so fasgnadh, the fuck
up, deliberately cut off the sentence in the middle to make it SEEM to
say the opposite of what it actually said.

Readthe original:

[fasgnadh]

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:

> Richo snipped all the EVIDENCE so he could share some wishful thinking:
>> fasgnadh provided EVIDENCE of atheism's relative DECLINE globally :

>>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
>>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...

<unsnip all the facts the atheists snip and run from, as usual>

>> (1) The newsgroup "alt.atheism" isn't atheism (or Atheism) - they are
>> two separate entities.

And while I have documented the GLOBAL decline in atheism;

- The collapse of the 20th Century atheist tyrannies
- the increase of 3000,000,000 new believers in China alone
unmatched by the increase in atheists in the USA of a mere few
hundred thousand

Richo provided his individual sense of decline.

I merely used his despair as a personal testimonial which
illustrates the reality revealed by the global figures.

> Yes. This is just a newsgroup where a small
and declining
> number of atheists
> (and an apparently large
and growing
> number of proselytizers) share discourse.

Which reflects the historic decline of atheism which Dr Reza Aslan
has docmented and Ravin1 snipped because atheists don't like the
evidence of their decline.

>> (2) Atheism (and more generally non-belief) is a growing demographic -
>> excepting in places where it can get you killed by the faithful.

No evidence from you at all?

Of course the REALITY is that by far the GREATEST increase in believers
and the most rapid decline in atheism is the FORMER ATHEIST TYRANNIES,
where the KILLING was done BY the atheists. eg China and the USSR.
300,000,000 new believers in China alone AFTER the atheist tyranny
was replaced and the FREEDOM to think and believe was RESTORED!

So pretending that the decline in atheism is due to ATHEISTS
under threat is just a pathetic JOKE! B^p

They enjoy freedoms in the modern secular democracies, ALL built
by majority religious societies, which were NEVER allowed in any of
the atheist states in history.

How sad you can't provide any facts
to support your wishful thinking.. but you really do look desperate
when you SNIP the evidence such as that cited by Dr Reza Aslam,
on the surge in religion since the Atheist tyrannies of the 20th century
were overthrown and people regained their FREEDOM to THINK
and believe, which EVERY ATHEIST STATE IN HISTORY HAS REPRESSED!

> ...and in support of your observation I suspect that there are likely a
> significant number of people who just keep it to themselves as a matter
> of survival

That is what all the theists in EVERY atheist state in history had to do
to survive... go underground.

Compare that to the freedom of belief and thought, including the freedom
to NOT believe, which all the whining atheist hypocrites have in all the
democratic, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies they choose to live in!

In contrast to atheist states, where EVERY ONE OF THEM persecuted and
killed believers, you would have to IGNORE the reality of atheists
being given the same freedoms as believers in modern, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies, (USA, Canada, Australia, all of Europe etc...)
and look ONLY at a handful of atypical theocracies to pretend that
it's atheists worldwide who are persecuted! pffffft!

> (Iran, for instance, according to many Iranian people I know
> who left but still have family there).

I can cite the Bahai who have been tortured, persecuted and killed in
Iran, and some other religious minorities, but you present no evidence
of atheists being oppressed in Iran, and why would that make atheists
in the free, open tolerant secular democracies 'afraid' to admit they
are atheists? It appears you are simply INVENTING (implausible) excuses
for the low numbers of people who freely CHOOSE to self identify as
atheist! That is intellectually dishonest and quite desperate! B^]

The ARIS data gives the lie to your ridiculous claim that the reason
for low atheist numbers in the USA, or the rest of the world, or in
USENET, is because you claim they are intimidated.

ARIS is an anonymous survey, no one's identity is revealed, and yet even
there, people who identify as atheists are a pathetic 0.7%!

The vast majority self-identify as theist, but even among the 15% of
Americans who identify as non-religious, 96% of them explicitly reject
being ATHEIST, and even we agnostics outnumber the atheists!
(probably the other sub-groups, Wiccan, Jedi,
don't-care-to-have-an-opinion, Crystal healers, Rasta's ... are also
larger than the atheists.! B^)

# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#

# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)

#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#

# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!

#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D

#
# Atheists a mere 4% of non-believers
#
# 96% of non-believers reject atheism
#
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/documents/aris030609.pdf

I can see why you atheist avoid discussion of history, too much
EVIDENCE of your failures.. and that's why you prefer to
argue Metaphysics, to which there are never any answers.

I mean, look at Bukakke, your one remaining, totally OBSESSIVE, Chumpion!

No matter what the subject is, or who is raising it, Bukakke ALWAYS

tries to snip and run from it and change the thread to Creationism!

pffft!

Has anyone told Bukakke that in my country, in every school, EVOLUTION
is taught, and that includes the Catholic sector(20% of schoolkids)
and the private Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant schools.

Why does Bukakke flog a deceased equine, when it's largely irrelevant to

mainstream religion?

More generally, is that ALL that contemporary atheism has to WHINE about?

I mean we are used to your ENDLESS, CARPING AND WHINING, but couldn't
you at least change the fucking TUNE occasionally! B^p


>> Mark.

(Weakly) Defensive as usual



--

[fasgnadh]

On 28/02/2012 12:58 AM, raven1 wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>
>>> Heading up any such list
>>
>> of theists
>>
>>> should be Albert Einstein.
>>
>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>> actions of human beings."
>>
>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>

> "Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe,

Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
does not require that we establish the nature of that God.

(Most religious would however agree with you that God
created the underlying order in the Universe)

You seem to have trouble with simple logic and reason.

> not a personal being,

You are a personal being, you are not a God...

No one claimed Einstein believed in YOU, you cretin!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

merely that he believed in A God.

> as Einstein made clear many, many times.

---------



The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist! B^D

or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal cantidate to write
about religion, but at some point it did strike me that religions
cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins, "the source of
the poison of everything", it's implausible, they've been around
for thousands of years, they reflect the collaborative intelligences
and sensitivities of millions of people and the idea that everything
to do with them is false and wicked just didn't start to stand up to
the scrutiny I applied to it, as I thought more about the subject.

So, that's really the fruit of my thinking"


That religion is really the source of so so many good and useful
contributions to civilisation that Hitchin's malicious lies just
don't stand up.. 8^o and as atheism is devoid of anything
worthwhile itself, it needs to STEAL some of the many great ideas
religion has to offer:


" my new book,Religion for Atheists is a deliberate attempt
to look at a number of areas where I believe that religions
have things to offer for non-believers"

Sure, Truth, Love, Compassion, Justice, Sincerity, Charity,
Mercy, Courage, Integrity..
all the virtues atheism lacks, and doesn't even understand, all
the spiritual values that atheists reject completely...

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:

alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

" ..and perhaps believers know about these things already,
but for non-believers I wanted to look at that."

"It strikes me that at the moment the world is really divided into
believers and non-believers and the debate has become at times very
fierce, there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
simpletons, maniacs .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
the folly of their intellectual errors."


We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
Richard Dawkins B^]

"That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,
I don't think one makes progress"

True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

"It doesn't strike me that this is really a productive way
to go forward."

Mate, I have been telling the dimwitted Dawkinite Drones that
for YEARS now! But they are completely blind to reason! B^D

" How do you live a good life outside of a religious structure?

Well that's silly, when the good life you want to emulate
exists WITHIN that moral framework and claims that the SPIRITUAL
values are what brings life to the attempts at self-transformation!

It's like you want the Light from a lightbulb, using only
the physical MATTER, not invisible, electromagnetic ENERGY! B^D

It's been tried in EVERY atheist state and failed! B^]

How can these atheist 'thinkers' be so dumb?

"This is THE question facing modern society, and we haven't
necessarily answered it that well."

You atheists have NEVER answered it, B^D but the majority
religious societies that you want to emulate clearly have! B^]

"I think it's a legitimate question and my book is an
attempt to answer that question."

Sure, the hilarious part is that you think atheism needs
to copy religion ...because it HAS the answer already!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!

Just what Dawkins, Bukakke, Vurgil and all the other
ex-atheist believers are trying to do! ;-)

Except, THEY are copying the BELIEFs in Supernatural Beings,
i.e. they are FABRICATING GODS to WORSHIP! (Just
like every atheist tyranny tried to do with political cultism ;-)

Whereas De Botton wants to steal the PRAXIS of religion: B^D

"My starting point is to say that we should learn to STEAL from
religions."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

Priceless! The starting point for Atheist 'philosophy' is
that having no ideas of their own the unoriginal atheists
need to pinch the ideas of the, more successful, religious!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA




"you know some people have accused me of advocating a
'pick and mix'approach to religions, and I say you know what?
you're absolutely right, that's completely what I'm doing,
a pick and mix approach.

Some people have said 'religion's are not a buffet, from which
you can go round choosing the best bits', and my answer is yes they are.
And that's precidsely what I'm doing. So i've taken my plate,
and I've gone round the different faiths, and I've done precisely that."

- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm

[fasgnadh]

raven1 tries to debate the rational content and FAILS:

> You seem to have trouble representing Einstein's views honestly:

No I just quote him VERBATIM, explaining his BELIEF in a "God":

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
actions of human beings."

You seem to have trouble understanding that THEISM is a belief in God!

And like all atheist bigots, you then want to debate the NATURE of that
God and tell us that only ATHEISTS can decide which Gods are TRUE Gods!

and therefore count as theism!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

> "I do not believe in a personal God

Millions of THEISTS don't, you moron! B^D

It doesn't matter HOW MANY GOD's Einstein DOESN'T believe in, he only
has to believe in ONE, to be a theist!

B^] He probably doesn't believe in Thor, either! B^D

I'm sure the Pope would say: "I don't believe in Dawkin's Atheist Gods"

But that doesn't prove that he's NOT A THEIST! B^D

I'm sure the Archbishop of Cantebury doesn't believe in Thor, but he
does believe in God. That is what DEFINES a theist!

You are completely incapable of logical thought and rational comprehension.

Similarly someone who believes in Thor, God of thunder is also a theist,
and would STILL be one if he claimed

"I do not believe in a personal God .." and went on to explain why:

> and I have never denied this but
> have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
> religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
> world so far as our science can reveal it."
>

> -- Albert Einstein. December 1939. Princeton, New Jersey.

So you have merely confirmed that he doesn't believe in a personal
God, he believes in Spinoza's God, jsut as Dawkins, Virgil and you
believe in "evolved" Gods, whatever the fuck that means!

A belief in God/s is the DEFINITION of theist, you cretin!

Now does Einstein say he BELIEVES in a particular God? Yes, Spinoza's
God.. who may have created the universe but does not change the laws
of gravity just because some atheist fool falls off a cliff, or some
fundie thinks he can pray and Gawd will stop him from hitting the ground.

> Hardly the words of anyone who could be called a theist.

All you have done is show Einstein saying he doesn't believe in ONE
conception OF GOD.. what I have shown is him categorically stating
BELIEF in a PARTICULAR GOD!

That's theism, buddy.


> it's no surprise


Then fuck off and get a clue! B^D

As always, when you CAN'R DEBATE THE RATIONAL CONTENT,

you will snip is all and pretend "there is none"

do you have any excuse for


> either impenetrably stupid, raving mad,
> incredibly dishonest, or a toxic combination of the three.


Time for you to cut and run, lightweight!

Unsnip all the evidence and rational content

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 7:57 PM, Vurgil wrote:
> On 26/02/2012 3:36 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Waldo Tunnel wrote SFA, just the usual ad hom lies and atheist wanking:

>> > Is this supposed to mean something?
>>
>>
>> It means that atheists claim anything without a belief is an
>> atheist; cats, maggotts, dog shit...
>>
>> They are the SMARTEST of the atheist menagerie! B^]
>>
>> You rank below the dog shit for originality and wit.
>
> Cats maybe, but maggots and dog shit are creationists.

Atheists can't even follow their own illogic!

While most of them claim anything without a belief in God is an atheist,
Vurgil claims maggot's and dogshit believe in God!

B^D


He's not the only atheist nutjob, look at these psychos:

>>>>> John Baker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>>>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>>> @
>>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>>> #
>>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>>
>>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>>>

>> That was Best Abu Baker Bashir could do..
>> another whiney little atheist bitch having
>> a hissy fit and breakdown in public!
>>
>>
>> We held a whip round to buy him a self addressed envelope
>> and a stamp!

Apparently he mailed himself to Stupidville with a label reading
"FREE Village Idiot enclosed!" and they returned it to sender
marked "not smart enough for residency"


>> He he, that was me, taking the piss of the whiney little bitch
>> and this is the best that quarter wit Waldo could come up with:
>>
>>> This is the best fasgnadh can come up with.
>>
>> Don't you even know who you are!? B^D YOU wrote that!
>>
>> B^D

>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>> Olrik
>>>>
>>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>>
>>>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>>>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>> #
>>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>>>
>>>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...
>> >

>> > I actually chased this quote down
>>
>> sure, I provide evidence and you have to try ands find something you
>> can WHINE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH about, in a desperate bid to distract
>> from the CRITICAL ADMISSION by Olrik that he is a LYING SHITPIG!
>>
>> >fasgnadh Left a bit out.
>>
>> Of course, his admission is the only relevant part.
>>
>> Other wise you or the Kook-sucking tools whine that
>> "2 many wurds, our branes hurtz"
>>
>> B^D
>>
>> Naturally you want to bury the relevant part in endless GARBAGE!
>>
>> > shall I?
>>
>> You want MY permission, you servile little slut?
>>
>> Sure Gutter snipe, do some work for a change,
>> we could all do with a laugh watching you whine
>> about some irrelevant distraction that DOES NOT
>> CHANGE THAT SHITPIGS CONFESSION in any significant way!

>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> "One thing you can't hide
>>> Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon

Vurgil and Dawkin's believe in a DIFFERENT God from
Einstein( Spinoza's God) and the Pope (YHWH - God of Abraham)
but THEISM is the belief in a god or Gods.. so they are ALL
SELF-PROCLAIMNED THEISTS:

> I do not believe in a personal God

But you believe in Dawkin's EVOLVED Gods, so you are still Theist! B^]


> "Doesn¹t that description sound an awful lot like God?"
>
> "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It's highly
> plausible that in the universe there are God-like creatures."

Different theists seem to have different CONCEPTIONS of their God/s:

This is what Dawkin's claims, with no more proof than ANY theist; B^D


> "It's very important to understand that these Gods came into

> being by an explicable scientific progression
> of incremental evolution."
>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all


And those ex-athiests used to laugh at OTHER people's Gods!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA


Priceless!

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

[Uirgil]

In article <bg4dr.5012$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
> >> does not require that we establish the nature of that God.

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied

this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views


-----------------------------------

The "Big Tent" Creationist Charter

(established circa 1980)

1. Don't ask, don't tell what happened when (must cover up those
weaknesses and contradictions of those failed YEC and OEC
"theories"!).

2. Bait and switch between proximate and ultimate causes.

3. Promote doubt of evolution, and leave it to the audience to infer
what happened instead, when, and how.

4. Bait and switch between evolution and abiogenesis.

5. Bait and switch between abiogenesis, which had to occur at least
once by definition, and the yet-unknown proximate causes of how it
occurred.

6. Use the word "Darwinism" at every opportunity.

7. Quote mine like thereąs no tomorrow.

8. Play favorites with the evidence, just like YECs and OECs, but
donąt infer anything other than that "Darwinism" is falsified ­ or
unfalsifiable ­ or dead, dying, etc., whatever the audience will buy.

9. If the "activist judges" rule in favor of the "Darwinists" ditch
the "creation" language, and use something like "design" instead.

10. If you need to do #9, claim that your "theory" is not
creationism; critics will take the bait and react with "is too
creationism!" Which lets youŠ

11. Exploit multiple definitions (especially of "theory"), and the
public misconceptions based on them.

12. If all else fails, whine about being "expelled" and play the
Hitler card.

[Uirgil]

In article <Vx4dr.5157$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 7:57 PM, Vurgil wrote:

>
> While most of them claim anything without a belief in God is an atheist,
> Vurgil claims maggot's and dogshit believe in God!

Not necessarily, but those, like fasgnadh, who believe in gods are
quite often maggots or dogshit.

Only PEOPLE capable of belief in gods but lacking it in are atheists.

Re Einstein's position re gods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

[fasgnadh]

On 30/03/2012 1:05 PM, Uirgil wrote:

Virgil's subject header says it all really:

# Subject: Re: Albert Einstein "I believe in Spinoza's God" B^]
# ex-Atheists prefer Dawkin's Gods..
# two kinds of THEISM! - ('"The Belief in God/s") B^D

Look's like poor vurgil, (alt.atheism's village idiot), finally grasped
that it doesn't matter WHAT KINDS OF GOD someone DOESN'T believe in, if
they believe in ANY kind, then they are THEISTS!!!! B^]

# From: Uirgil <uir...@uirgil.ur>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.religion,uk.politics.misc,
# aus.politics,alt.fan.warlord
# Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:05:47 -0600
# Message-ID: <uirgil-50C0AE....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# > raven1 tries to debate the rational content and FAILS:
# >> On 26/03/2012 11:19 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >>> On 28/02/2012 12:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
# >>>> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >>>>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
# >>>>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
# >>>>>>>>
# >>>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
# >>>>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>> Heading up any such list
# >>>>>
# >>>>> of theists
# >>>>>
# >>>>>> should be Albert Einstein.
# >>>>>
# >>>>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly
harmony
# >>>>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
# >>>>> actions of human beings."
# >>>>>
# >>>>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
# >>>>
# >>>> "Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe,
# >>>
# >>> Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
# >>> does not require that we establish the nature of that God.
# >>>
# >>> (Most religious would however agree with you that God
# >>> created the underlying order in the Universe)
# >>>
# >>> You seem to have trouble with simple logic and reason.



After Virgil's bitter denunciation of Richard Dawkins two weeks ago
it looks like alt.atheism will soon need to be renamed alt.ex-atheists:

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#

# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods

# came into being by an explicable scientific progression
# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

[Uirgil]

In article <Mowdr.5198$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 30/03/2012 1:05 PM, Uirgil wrote:

> On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an Italian
> immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New Jersey.
> Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by a news
> report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious. Einstein replied
> on 24 March 1954:
> It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
> convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
> I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
> this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
> which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
> admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
> can reveal it.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

> Look's like poor vurgil, (alt.atheism's village idiot), finally grasped
> that it doesn't matter WHAT KINDS OF GOD someone DOESN'T believe in, if
> they believe in ANY kind, then they are THEISTS!!!! B^]

And Einstein clearly was NOT a theist by your own definition of theism.

> After fasgnadh's bitter denunciation of Richard Dawkins two weeks ago

IN which fasgnadh lied about what Dawkins actually said in

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

[fasgnadh]

Waldo Tunnel overreached:

> On Feb 25, 9:03 pm, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>>
>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM,WaldoTunnel wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>
>>> Heading up any such list
>>
>> of theists
>>
>>> should be Albert Einstein.
>>
>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>> actions of human beings."
>>
>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>>
>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
>> imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
>> This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
>> Religion...
>>
>> science without religion is lame,
>> religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>> Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
>> to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:
>

> Oh.

The truth always stumps atheist blowhards! B^]

> Well that must mean GOD EXISTS!

It certainly demonstrates the harmony which has always existed between
faith and reason, between science and religion.

And it illustrates Einstein's point beautifully

"..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
Religion...

science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."

Which is why you are left with NOTHING, but rhetorical questions:

> Right?

*YOU* made the claim that having so many of the greatest scientists
throughout history being believers "must mean GOD EXISTS".. not me.

So if you are asking for absolute proof, that's YOUR job!

Unlike you atheists, I don't think in terms of dogmatic absolutes,
I put my trust in REASON.. and reason suggests that the empirical
evidence certainly shows that:

1. On balance, believers have built and sustained the great and enduring
civilisations, and atheism has only produced a handful of totalitarian
tyrannies, all of which failed catastrophically.

Even atheists now have to admit that's true:

# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"

2. Those atheist regimes were brutal holocausts, torturing, terrorising
and killing over 80,000,000 people, FAR MORE than any religion!

and now, as you concede

3. History provides empirical evidence that most of the great SCIENTIFIC
discoveries and developments have been carried out by theists, just as
they dominate the development of art, music,
philosophy,

but I still don't agree with your assertion:
"that must mean God exists"

"must" requires ABSOLUTE PROOF, but an any of us agnostics could tell
you, all we have here compellingly strong EVIDENCE, not absolute PROOF.

Your claim is not valid in logic, the agnostic position holds true.

The difference between you atheists and us agnostics is that we
don't make absolute claims, as you, and the theists, do, without
ABSOLUTE PROOF.

We leave that to you BELIEVERS.. the theists who are honest and open
about their FAITH, and you atheists who pretend to admire logic and
reason, but have less evidence for God not existing than theists have
for their belief.. as history shows.

It has always been an iron law of reason and science, that a correct
hypothesis enables a predictive capacity.. if the Cosmos is as you
claim, your superior understanding should make atheism successful in
whole domains of human experience.. science, mathematics, art, culture,
politics, economics.. and, as history shows EVERY atheist regime has
been a complete clusterfuck.. atheism produces shitholes like Nth Korea.

The theists, despite the many stuff ups, most of them in the past,
but some still appalling in the present( not just the paedophile
priests, but the coverup) have basically built and sustained the
civilisations which we all enjoy the fruits of.

Any balanced view, as the foremost atheist philosopher, Alain de Botton
and Phillip Adam's, speaker at the last Atheist world convention, point
out; must acknowledge the achievements of believers in the great and
enduring Spiritual traditions..

and every thinking person is forced, when making the comparison
with the myriad successes and accomplishments of Theist civilisations,
and the abject failure of EVERY atheist tyranny, to ask WHY IS THIS SO?

I repeat.. I think you are foolhardy to claim that it PROVES God
exists, when it is merely EVIDENCE for that claim, which many would
say puts it Beyond Reasonable Doubt, the principle used when determining
Guilt or innocence in a criminal court. What it does PROVE is that in
every epoch, faith has been no impediment to scientific genius, that
religion and reason are in harmony, and that those who claim otherwise
are ignorant of the real nature of one, or both.


cadit quaetio!

> How about that.

I know you find it astonishing to find reason argued in alt.atheism,
but for us agnostics this is the NORM!

> PS. Explain, then, why you are an AGNOSTIC?

Because, despite your claim that the vast preponderance of THEISTs
in the ranks of the worlds greatest scientists throughout history,
and in philosophy, mathematics, music, architecture, poetry and
literature, civilisation, building free open progressive democratic
states.. "must mean GOD EXISTS!" - Waldo Wanker I know that it
is NOT absolute proof.. merely massive empirical evidence for
the theist hypothesis.. There is no ABSOLUTE PROOF that God exists,

And that is the logical, and agnostic, position.

There is no ABSOLUTE PROOF that you are a thinking human being,
but I think there is some, fairly scant, evidence.. probably a lot less
than for theists being right.

>> Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
>> to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:
>>
>> "Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
>> or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
>>
>> "Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
>> of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
>> that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
>> is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
>> be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
>> with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
>> that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
>> have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
>> the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
>> the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related

Now my WHOLE PURPOSE in the last couple of years teaching the baying
atheist mob of arrogant dogmatists I found when I first arrived, has
been to warn, as Phillip Adams did at the Atheist World Convention,
AGAINST the rabid Militant atheists, the violent hate filled thugs,
Liek your Warlord and his BAAWA tools, the self-promoters such
as Profit Dawkins.. in just the same way as long-term atheist thinkers
like de Botton and Adams have done:

"religions cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins,
"the source of the poison of everything", it's implausible,
they've been around for thousands of years, they reflect the
collaborative intelligences and sensitivities of millions of
people and the idea that everything to do with them is false
and wicked just didn't start to stand up to the scrutiny I
applied to it, as I thought more about the subject."

...

"there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
simpletons, maniacs .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
the folly of their intellectual errors."

- de Botton, "Religion for Atheists"

We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
Richard Dawkins B^]

"That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,

I don't think one makes progress" - op cit

True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

---------


"the atheist can be as susceptible to authority and dogma as
the Catholic"

"the confidence that I had in my teens - that religion would
be dead by the end of the 20th century - that the synagogues, cathedrals
and mosques would be museums - was foolhardy in
the extreme"

"Most people who've abandoned religion have not embraced
the thoughts and values we might try and articulate.
They've taken up shopping. They are dulling the pain of
existence in the mall, by buying things they don't
need with the credit cards they can't afford. Or they're
dulling the pain in alcohol or narcosis. Or they're just
sitting in front of the telly or the computer screen
bathing themselves in violent drama or hyper violent games.
In pornography or the pornographies of violence.

Don't be fooled into thinking that we're at the edge of victory. That
would be a delusion. It concerns me that by becoming too arrogant, too
strident, too aggressive we will stultify rather than intensify debate."
- Phillip Adams, "The Atheist Delusion" Atheist World Convention.



Haven't I been telling atheists PRECISELY THIS MESSAGE years before
your keynote speaker delivered it AT THE ATHEIST WORLD CONVENTION!!!!

Read the threads on the ARM - the Atheist Reform Movement, where
I set out the goal clearly, a manifesto to abandon the excesses
of militant atheism.. the world has SEEN IT in the USSR, Maoist China,
Pol Pots Cambodian Genocide AND REJECTED IT!

---------



The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist! B^D

or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal candidate to write

about religion, but at some point it did strike me that religions
cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins, "the source of
the poison of everything", it's implausible, they've been around
for thousands of years, they reflect the collaborative intelligences
and sensitivities of millions of people and the idea that everything
to do with them is false and wicked just didn't start to stand up to
the scrutiny I applied to it, as I thought more about the subject.

So, that's really the fruit of my thinking"


That religion is really the source of so so many good and useful
contributions to civilisation that Hitchin's malicious lies just
don't stand up.. 8^o and as atheism is devoid of anything
worthwhile itself, it needs to STEAL some of the many great ideas
religion has to offer:


" my new book,Religion for Atheists is a deliberate attempt
to look at a number of areas where I believe that religions
have things to offer for non-believers"

Sure, Truth, Love, Compassion, Justice, Sincerity, Charity,
Mercy, Courage, Integrity..
all the virtues atheism lacks, and doesn't even understand, all
the spiritual values that atheists reject completely...

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:

[Uirgil]

In article <dbcer.5278$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It certainly demonstrates the harmony which has always existed between
> faith and reason, between science and religion.

You mean like scientist Galileo who was imprisoned for life by the church
>
> And it illustrates Einstein's point beautifully:

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the

world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

[fasgnadh]

On 27/02/2012 4:28 AM, John Baker wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:12:50 -0500, Don Martin
> <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:09:55 -0500, John Baker<nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've gone for decades being ignored by the JW and LDS.


Everyone ignores atheists, not just JW's!

96% of other non believers EXPLICITLY reject being connected with
atheists, and your NG, alt.atheism, demonstrates why! B^]

>>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>>
>> ...
>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>> of course:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>>
>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>>

>>>>> John Baker

>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>> Olrik
>>>>>

Vurgil,

Steve Knight,

Bukakke

et al

>>>>> ----
>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>>>>> candidates to be on the list

Chris "Drillchuck" lee

>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> The ranks have thinned.

Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]

but the Atheist decline is repeated worldwide:

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"


- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

>>>>> Back in the day we had so many...

Atheism has been in decline since the atheist tyrannies of the

20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea

Most people celebrate the decline of Atheism.

>>>>> We've always had the ones who stay a while and then move on

Nemotoad
Virgil
Hypatia
Trance Stupor

Carey Kitterel
DuhIdiot
AZ Nomad
Robibnikoff
Kilmir
Smiler
Douglas Berry
pbamvv
Uncle Vic
johac
Louis 14
Frank Mayhar
Tim McGauchy
Vipera Berus

All scalps hanging in my trophy room! B^]


>>>>> Unfortunately, the trolls have gotten so bad in recent years

# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<128235a0-640d-495a...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#

# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
# >
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA

#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant

Trance, another troll I took care of, who denies the existence
of Militant Atheist thugs, here is seen signing up to Kill theists
and shit down their throats. 8^o

>>>>> that they've driven many of the long-time regulars away.

>> Shame made them run away, shame and public humiliation.
>>
>>> I miss the days when service providers actually did something about
>>> trolls.
>>
>> You would have lost Vurgil the post forger, Warlord Steve, the violent
>> thug and Bukakke who claims she can disprove Creation, in posts she
>> CREATES! YOu would certainly have lost FDrillChuck Lee! 8^o
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>> #
>> # Budikka
>>

>>>>> I wonder what makes a person so shallow, so mean-spirited and so
>>>>> utterly devoid of common human decency that they can find nothing
>>>>> better to do with their time than harrass complete strangers for no
>>>>> good reason.

Atheism, apparently, as Chris Lee demonstrates:

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

>>>>> But at the risk of being flamed, I'll state my opinion:

> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
> #
> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
> # I've been giving it quite a
> # lot of thought lately, and I've
> # decided it's time for me to move on.
> #
> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
> #
> # I've simply had all I can stand
> @
> # I just can't handle it anymore.
> #
> # I don't see myself continuing
>
> # I'm going to end up going postal.

Can someone call Suicide Watch! 8^o

>>>>> much to blame for a.a's current sorry state


It is a sorry state, just like every Atheist state
in history, and it's all your own doing, you sad-sack losers.

>>>>> (a lingering ghost from the past...)

Your sheltered workshop is full of such troubled spirits;


"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."

-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists

B^D

Shouldn't your therapist have to hear that, not us!?

B^D

That's the reason a.a. is in decline, your "personal issues" are
serious personality disorders!


>>> My local JWs don't bother me anymore. I'm on their avoid list because
>>> they don't like the questions I ask.
>>
>> Particularly in front of their children.
>
> Indeed. If you can plant a seed of doubt in a young mind, perhaps the
> religious mind virus won't take hold.


But atheists claim that all babies are atheists when they are born
(no belief in God) just like cats, monkeys, rocks and dog turds are all
atheists, by the same, dumb atheist 'logic'(sic)

So the fact that >80% of the US population is religious means the
VAST MAJORITY of people abandon atheism as a bad joke WHEN THEY BECOME
MATURE and are capable of RATIONAL THOUGHT.

Mindless infants = atheist, thinking adult = Believers!


I get you argument about babies being atheists now!


Tanks, cretins, for admitting that you are just the RETARDED
remnant who REMIAN IN INFANTILE IGNORANCE because you haven't
GROWN UP!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Even Dawkins has wised up as he got older:

# "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."

That's what the theists have told you obdurate atheists for centuries!

B^D


# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
#

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all


Priceless!

---------



The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist! B^D

or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal cantidate to write

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 12:01 PM, Smiler wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:44:35 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:29:04 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:03:04 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>>> atheist goddess wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-Feb-23 16:25, Richo wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it's time for people to start promoting usenet newsgroups to the
>>>> masses again.
>>>
>>> I don't think the RCC would allow that at their services :-)
>>
>> They simply haven't been offered enough.
>
> Well, they have got those massive legal settlements to pay out.


Did any of the atheist regimes ever make reparations for the
80,000,000 victims of atheist state terror torture and mass murder in
the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR), Mao's Great Leap
Backward and Cultural evolution and Pol Pots Cambodian genocide..

did atheists even apologise for slaughter and crimes against humanity
far greater than any committed by the religions your feeble and
hypocritical ideology constantly mocks?

Clearly none of you whining hypocrites has heard the more intelligent
atheists calling for you to LEARN something from those who have made far
more, except for dead bodies and catastrophic mistakes, than atheism
ever has;


--

[fasgnadh]

On 1/03/2012 11:28 AM, Hannele wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 06:34:11 +0100, SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 23, 1:39 pm, JohnN <jnorri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 23, 4:56 am, Waldo Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The atheist point of view does not necessarily indicate a rational
>>>> mind. In fact there are a number of self identified atheists here in

>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
...

>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>> of course:
>>>
>>>> Alex W.
>>>
>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>
>>>> DanielSan
>>>
>>>> John Baker
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>>> Sulfate
>>>
>>>> Jim Burns
>>>
>>>> Olrik
>>>

>>>> ----
>>>
>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few.

Steve Knight, the atheist's Warlord(snicker has to be on the list of
dogmatic psychopaths right off the scale!

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.

#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

and Chris Lee,

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John



# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

Bukakke,

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

>>>> Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."


Wow.. the list is STILL EMPTY!!!!

Much harder to find RATIONAL atheists that nutters and Bull Goose
Loonies, eh boys?

Here, let me help:

Brian Eno, Phillip Adams, Alain de Botton that's about it!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA


And two who are no more rational than the rest of you, but have
brief flashes of honesty, whisch is as rare as reason among atheists:


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"

# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir

# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D

# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
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#
#

# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
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# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
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#

# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression

# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

>>>> Thanks!

Look someone had to help out, none of the irrational atheists could
think in a sustained fashion long enough to remember what the list was!

>>> Perhaps three to five years ago we had a person who declared he would
>>> pray for an atheist on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him
>>> would be given a date on which The Prayer would be said.

I don't think anyone in that story counts as rational..

clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY rational
people among their ranks!

>>> What happened to that guy?

I'm sure someone will remember.. after all if it wasn't for the nutters
on the other side you would have no one to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA

>>> Anyone around who was being prayed for?
>>
>> That was Jason Gastrich/Gasbag. I was one of the first that he prayed
>> for. As you can see, it totally changed my life. ;-P


Perhaps he prayed that you would see how static and lifeless your
life was.. and it sounds like you have finally realised that!

> I never made his list. :( But then I didn't have my AA number yet.
> That's one good thing that came from his action: I requested and
> recieved my number. :)


So 50% of you acknowledge a positive outcome from hi sintervention on
your behalf, and the other 50% possibly had prayers unwittingly fulfilled.

Not bad.. for the theists! B^D

No wonder the few smart atheists on the plkanet advise you to learn from
the theists:

[dolf]

We note the smiley and one is not amused!

Those atheists are appearing to believe the Queens is nazi-whore!

[dolf]

I've been wondered about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for a
while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch, now that his prophets
Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit, worthless
decadent cunts and who no longer have any participation in Australia's
ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for evil that they have brought to life!

Australian Skeptics / The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]:
“And you would know about wanking, Dolt.”

dolf: “It's coming for you.

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

You are going to drown.

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

- dolf

[dolf]

% (per...@gmail.com): “It sounds like you're not having a happy day.”

dolf: “Don't you think that if Zimmerman's story was contradicted by the
physical evidence the police would have charged him?”

Old Jinglebollocks (old.jingl...@gmail.com): “Doesn't matter any more.

Can't be bothered even to read what you bums are writing on Usenet.

Fuck ye, the whole damned lot o' ye.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “So, for those of you who enjoy beginning
coffee shop conversations with "The Death of God”. It's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else, because it's not

happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious, and religion

itself is also evolving…”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Wow. You're as
long-winded as Fasgnadh, and twice as incoherent.”

Fred Hall (fkh...@databasix.com): “You forgot to mention my name, Doof.”

dolf: “Who is Fasgnadh, that I should regard him? How little he knows.”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Another
semi-coherent loon from Australia.”

dolf: “A Hoodoo Guru?”

John “Feral Forte Agent Dog” Baker (nu...@bizniz.net): “A bit closer to
sane than dolf, though, as difficult as that may be to imagine.”

Australian Skeptics / The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]:
“And you would know about wanking, Dolt.”

dolf: “It's coming for you.

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

You are going to drown.

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

Waldo Tunnel (waldo...@gmail.com): “Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by
atheists to the degree he has been archiving atheists posts for years
now. (see below) ”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Clearly you can't tell the difference
between fascination and mockery, you poor dimwitted tool”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “He also has a
particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the difference
between atheists being irrational and atheists mocking him.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Well, all the irrational atheists have
different names, some have even smaller penises than the others. But he
was having a breakdown at the time, crying a lot, so go easy on him! …
we all do.”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “Perhaps three to

five years ago we had a person who declared he would pray for an atheist
on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him would be given a date

on which The Prayer would be said.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I don't think anyone in that story
counts as rational. Clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY
rational people among their ranks!”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “What happened to
that guy?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I'm sure someone will remember. After

all if it wasn't for the nutters on the other side you would have no one
to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA”

dolf: “I’ve been wondering about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for
a while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch. Especially now that his

prophets Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit,

and being worthless decadent cunts, no longer have any participation in
Australia's ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for the evil that they have brought to life!”

On 7/04/12 1:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

[dolf]

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “Perhaps three to

five years ago we had a person who declared he would pray for an atheist
on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him would be given a date

on which The Prayer would be said.”

Nous: #4
Time: 17:00 hrs
Date: 2012.12.8
Torah: #50 #10 #400 %81 = #55
Dao: Using Guidance, Sourceless
Tetra: #81 - Fostering
I-Ching: H27 - Nourishment

Latin: Adolescentia {King of Heaven} Alt: Aumel {Hum of God} {
1. SERVES TO OBTAIN MERCY & LONGEVITY
2. DYNASTIES (KINGS, PRINCES)
3. STABILITY
4. Chenon
}
Achim {Preparing; revenging; confirming}

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:1,row:7,col:6

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I don't think anyone in that story
counts as rational. Clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY
rational people among their ranks!”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “What happened to
that guy?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I'm sure someone will remember. After

all if it wasn't for the nutters on the other side you would have no one
to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA”

dolf: “I’ve been wondering about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for
a while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch. Especially now that his
prophets Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit,
and being worthless decadent cunts, no longer have any participation in
Australia's ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for the evil that they have brought to life!”



On 7/04/12 1:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

[dolf]

% (per...@gmail.com): “It sounds like you're not having a happy day.”

dolf: “Don't you think that if Zimmerman's story was contradicted by the
physical evidence the police would have charged him?”

Old Jinglebollocks (old.jingl...@gmail.com): “Doesn't matter any more.

Can't be bothered even to read what you bums are writing on Usenet.

Fuck ye, the whole damned lot o' ye.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “So, for those of you who enjoy beginning
coffee shop conversations with "The Death of God”. It's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else, because it's not
happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious, and religion
itself is also evolving…”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Wow. You're as
long-winded as Fasgnadh, and twice as incoherent.”

Fred Hall (fkh...@databasix.com): “You forgot to mention my name, Doof.”

dolf: “Who is Fasgnadh, that I should regard him? How little he knows.”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Another
semi-coherent loon from Australia.”

dolf: “A Hoodoo Guru?”

John “Feral Forte Agent Dog” Baker (nu...@bizniz.net): “A bit closer to
sane than dolf, though, as difficult as that may be to imagine.”

Australian Skeptics / The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]:
“And you would know about wanking, Dolt.”

dolf: “It's coming for you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1694, Super: #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement,
Practicing Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - Army; Tetra: 32 - Legion, Ego: #74 -
Controlling Feelings, Overcome Delusion; I-Ching: H39 - Obstacles;
Tetra: 80 - Labouring]

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #3553, Super: #41 - Playing with Reversal, Sameness
in Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: 60 -
Accumulation, Ego: #70 - Difficulty in Knowing How, Obtuse; I-Ching: H53
- Gradual Progress; Tetra: 14 - Penetration]

You are going to drown.

@memeBrain [Telos: #2253, Super: #6 - Female Superiority, Completion of
Form; I-Ching: H25 - Innocence; Tetra: 66 - Departure, Ego: #66 -
Strategic Reversal, Putting Oneself Behind; I-Ching: H41 - Decrease;
Tetra: 55 - Diminishment]

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

@memeBrain [Telos: #1838, Super: #31 - Military Stratagem, Quelling War;
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance; Tetra: 51 - Constancy, Ego: #56 - Abstruse
Mysterious Virtuosity; I-Ching: H55 - Abundance; Tetra: 46 - Enlargement]

Waldo Tunnel (waldo...@gmail.com): “Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by
atheists to the degree he has been archiving atheists posts for years
now. (see below) ”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Clearly you can't tell the difference
between fascination and mockery, you poor dimwitted tool”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “He also has a
particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the difference
between atheists being irrational and atheists mocking him.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Well, all the irrational atheists have
different names, some have even smaller penises than the others. But he
was having a breakdown at the time, crying a lot, so go easy on him! …
we all do.”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “Perhaps three to

five years ago we had a person who declared he would pray for an atheist
on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him would be given a date

on which The Prayer would be said.”

Nous: #4
Time: 17:00 hrs
Date: 2012.12.8
Torah: #50 #10 #400 %81 = #55
Dao: Using Guidance, Sourceless
Tetra: #81 - Fostering
I-Ching: H27 - Nourishment

Latin: Adolescentia {King of Heaven} Alt: Aumel {Hum of God} {
1. SERVES TO OBTAIN MERCY & LONGEVITY
2. DYNASTIES (KINGS, PRINCES)
3. STABILITY
4. Chenon
}
Achim {Preparing; revenging; confirming}

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:1,row:7,col:6

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I don't think anyone in that story
counts as rational. Clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY
rational people among their ranks!”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “What happened to
that guy?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I'm sure someone will remember. After

all if it wasn't for the nutters on the other side you would have no one
to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA”

dolf: “I’ve been wondering about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for
a while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch. Especially now that his
prophets Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit,
and being worthless decadent cunts, no longer have any participation in
Australia's ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for the evil that they have brought to life!”



On 7/04/12 1:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

[fasgnadh]

raven1 wastes our time to tell us he's going to Snip and Run, again:

>> As always, when you CAN'T DEBATE THE RATIONAL CONTENT,

>>
>> you will snip is all and pretend "there is none"
>>

>> do you have any excuse?

>>
>>> either impenetrably stupid, raving mad,
>>> incredibly dishonest, or a toxic combination of the three.
>>
>>
>> Time for you to cut and run, lightweight!

It appears I'm psychic: B^D


> I couldn't be bothered

I couldn't be bothered to read why you bothered to post when you
are clearly incapable of making a rational response.

Run along lightweight, I've wiped the floor with you, again! B^]

[fasgnadh]

raven1 - just another irrational atheist lightweight:
> On 26/02/2012 3:47 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 6:09 AM, raven1 wrote:

>>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:01 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
>>> <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by atheists
>>

>> Clearly you can't tell the difference between fascination

>> and mockery, you poor diwmitted tool;
>>
>>>> (see below)

>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 4:41 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>>> of course:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>>
>>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>>

>>>>> # From: DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com>

>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>>>>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>>>>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>>>>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800

>>>>> # Message-ID:<jee61u$acg...@dont-email.me>

>>>>> #
>>>>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>>>>> #> On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>> #
>>>>> #>> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>>>>> #>
>>>>> #> No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D
>>>>>

>>>>>> John Baker

>>>>>
>>>>> # From: John Baker<nu...@bizniz.net>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500

>>>>> # Message-ID:<hf1aj495t47br8nnh9hi5gjg3vh963g...@4ax.com>

>>>>> #
>>>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>>>> @
>>>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>>>
>>>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>>>
>>>

>>> He also has a particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the
>>> difference between atheists being irrational
>>

>> Well, all the irrational atheists have different names,

>> some have even smaller penises than the others..
>>
>> but he was having a breakdown at the time, crying a lot,
>> so go easy on him! ...we all do.
>>
>> B^D
>>
>> Of course Jung was right and Warlord Fluffy admitted that
>> atheists need help with their problems;

>>
>> "Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
>> thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
>> resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
>> It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
>> he had lost that which the living religions of every age
>> have given their followers, and none of them has really
>> been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."
>>
>> -Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #

>> # > I, Warlord Steve, took control of BAAWA after Stix resigned the
>> # > Newsgroup. (personal problems

>> # >
>> # > We're here to talk about our own personal issues
>>
>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>>> Olrik
>>>>>

>>>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>>>

>>>>> # From: Olrik<olrik...@yahoo.com>

>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400

>>>>> # Message-ID:<huh7l5$ts...@news.eternal-september.org>

>>>>> #
>>>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.

>> ...
>>>> "One thing you can't hide
>>>> Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon
>>
>>

>> Olrik is mentally and morally crippled, inside AND out!
>>
>>
>>> ---
>>> raven1
>>
>> Raven was once the honest atheist, but then his atheism
>> took over; B^D
>>
>>
>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>
>>
>>
>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
>> # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> #
>> # > raven1 wrote:
>> # >
>> # >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,
>>
>>

>>> aa # 1096
>>
>> Is that your national membership!?
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>
>>> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
>>
>> Why don't you put your head in it and tighten your nuts.
>>
>>> BAAWA Knight
>>
>> Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.
>
> No one asked for your opinion

What a useless cretin you are.. this is a DISCUSSION group,
no one NEEDS to be asked, you moron! B^D

What are you going to do now, you irrational atheist whiner?

> Fuck off.

About all you're good for! B^]

[Uirgil]

In article <aDOfr.5338$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Nothing of any merit, again!

"Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge
of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is
evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation
or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive
framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing
explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the
failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a
scientific theory. It works, and it works well. I say these things not
because Iąm crazy or because Iąve łconverted˛ to evolution. I say these
things because they are true. Iąm motivated this morning by reading yet
another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution
is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner
workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution.
(Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather
uncharitable to say.) Creationist students, listen to me very carefully:
There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely
successful scientific theory."

[Uirgil]

In article <mCYfr.5356$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It appears I'm psychic: B^D

Pronounced "SICK"!

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied

this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

[Uirgil]

In article <iSYfr.5357$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Some well known Atheists:

Douglas Adams, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Woody Allen, Fred Armisen, Lance
Armstrong, Darren Aronofsky, Isaac Asimov, Dan Barker, Dave Barry,
Ingmar Bergman, Richard Branson, James Cameron, George Carlin, John
Carmack, Adam Carolla, John Carpenter, Asia Carrera, Fidel Castro, Noam
Chomsky, Jeremy Clarkson, Billy Connolly, Francis Crick, David
Cronenberg, David Cross, Alan Cumming, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard
Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Ani DiFranco, Micky Dolenz, Harlan Ellison,
Richard Feynman, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Flynt, Dave Foley, Jodie
Foster, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Ricky Gervais, Ira
Glass, James Gleick, Robert Heinlein, Ernest Hemingway, Katharine
Hepburn, Christopher Hitchens, Jamie Hyneman, Eddie Izzard, Penn
Jillette, Billy Joel, Diane Keaton, Michael Kinsley, Keira Knightley,
John Landis, Hugh Laurie, Artie Lange, Richard Leakey, Bruce Lee, Tom
Lehrer, John Lennon, Tom Leykis, James Lipton, H.P. Lovecraft, Bill
Maher, John Malkovich, Barry Manilow, Todd McFarlane, Sir Ian McKellen,
Arthur Miller, Frank Miller, Julianne Moore, Rafael Nadal, Randy Newman,
Mike Nichols, Jack Nicholson, Gary Numan, Bob Odenkirk, Patton Oswalt,
Camille Paglia, Trey Parker, Steven Pinker, Paula Poundstone, Terry
Pratchett, Robin Quivers, James Randi, Ron Reagan Jr., Rob Reiner, Keanu
Reeves, Rick Reynolds, Gene Roddenberry, Joe Rogan, Henry Rollins, Andy
Rooney, Salman Rushdie, Adam Savage, Brian Sapient, Bob Simon, Steven
Soderbergh, Annika Sorenstam, George Soros, Richard Stallman, Howard
Stern, Matt Stone, Julia Sweeney, Teller, Studs Terkel, Pat Tillman,
Alan Turing, Eddie Vedder, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Stevenedit

[dolf]

Wasn't there an avalanche in Pakistan?

Ships and boats having problems at sea?

The people which sat in darkness saw great {megas-great [G3173]: #87}
light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is
sprung up." [Matthew 4:16]

"And, behold, there arose a great {megas-great [G3173]: #87} tempest in
the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was
asleep." [Matthew 8:24]

"And there arose a great {megas-great [G3173]: #87} storm of wind, and
the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full." [Mark 4:37]

- dolf

On 8/04/12 4:26 AM, Uirgil wrote:
> In article<aDOfr.5338$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
> fasgnadh<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Nothing of any merit, again!
>
>
>
> The "Big Tent" Creationist Charter
>
> (established circa 1980)
>
> 1. Don't ask, don't tell what happened when (must cover up those
> weaknesses and contradictions of those failed YEC and OEC
> "theories"!).
>
> 2. Bait and switch between proximate and ultimate causes.
>
> 3. Promote doubt of evolution, and leave it to the audience to infer
> what happened instead, when, and how.
>
> 4. Bait and switch between evolution and abiogenesis.
>
> 5. Bait and switch between abiogenesis, which had to occur at least
> once by definition, and the yet-unknown proximate causes of how it
> occurred.
>
> 6. Use the word "Darwinism" at every opportunity.
>

> 7. Quote mine like there¹s no tomorrow.

>
> 8. Play favorites with the evidence, just like YECs and OECs, but

> don¹t infer anything other than that "Darwinism" is falsified ­ or

> unfalsifiable ­ or dead, dying, etc., whatever the audience will buy.
>
> 9. If the "activist judges" rule in favor of the "Darwinists" ditch
> the "creation" language, and use something like "design" instead.
>
> 10. If you need to do #9, claim that your "theory" is not
> creationism; critics will take the bait and react with "is too
> creationism!" Which lets youŠ
>
> 11. Exploit multiple definitions (especially of "theory"), and the
> public misconceptions based on them.
>
> 12. If all else fails, whine about being "expelled" and play the
> Hitler card.
>
>
>
> "Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge
> of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is
> evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation
> or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive
> framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing
> explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the
> failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a
> scientific theory. It works, and it works well. I say these things not

> because I¹m crazy or because I¹ve ³converted² to evolution. I say these
> things because they are true. I¹m motivated this morning by reading yet

[dolf]

Against their souls I speak.

[fasgnadh]

ravin1 describes all the QUOTEs from atheists as Insane Rants: B^D

> On 18/03/2012 12:41 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Richo snipped all the EVIDENCE so he could share some wishful thinking:
>>> fasgnadh provided EVIDENCE of atheism's relative DECLINE globally :
>>>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:

>>>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> ...
>>
>>
>> <unsnip all the facts the atheists snip and run from, as usual>
>>

>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>

>>>> about 100% of them.

>>>> ...
>>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>>> of course:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>

>>>> # From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>

>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>>>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>>>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>>>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800

>>>> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>

>>>> #
>>>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>>>> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>> #
>>>> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>>>> # >
>>>> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>>>> #
>>>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.

'"evidence" that mean "insane rants"' - Ravin1

>>>> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D
>>>>
>>>>>> John Baker
>>>>
>>>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500

>>>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>

>>>> #
>>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>>> @
>>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>>> #
>>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>>
>>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.

'"evidence" that mean "insane rants"' - Ravin1

>>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olrik
>>>>
>>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>>

>>>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>

>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400

>>>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>

>>>> #
>>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.

'"evidence" that mean "insane rants"' - Ravin1

>>>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...

>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>>>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> The ranks have thinned.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]
>>>>

>>>> but the process is repeated worldwide:

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
>>>> population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
>>>> Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
>>>> advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
>>>> two thirds.
>>>>

>>>> So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop

>>>> conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
>>>> the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because

>>>> it's not happening at all.
>>>>
>>>> People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
>>>> and religion itself is also evolving"
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> - Dr Reza Aslan
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
>>>>

>>>> Atheism has been in decline shince the atheist tyrannies of the

>>>> 20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
>>>> Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea
>>>>

>>>>> Back in the day we had so many...
>>>>

>>>> Now it's just the remaining atheiSheep in Nth Korea.
>>>>
>>>> # From: Richo <m.richa...@gmail.com>

>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>> # Subject: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farwell.
>>>> # Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> # Message-ID: <acbca475-4901-4b6d-
>>>> # ab9d-44f...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # It has been a very long time coming but I have finally had enough.
>>>> #...
>>>> # it is getting to me lately.
>>>> #
>>>> # There are no decent arguments
>>>> # ....
>>>> # And its not any "fun" anymore.
>>>> #
>>>> # Farewell

'"evidence" that mean "insane rants"' - Ravin1


>>>>> Mark

>>>>> (a lingering ghost from the past...)
>>>>

>>>> Just like atheism, the stale smell of an old fart.
>>>
>>> (1) The newsgroup "alt.atheism" isn't atheism (or Atheism) - they are
>>> two separate entities.
>>
>> And while I have documented the GLOBAL decline in atheism;
>>
>> - The collapse of the 20th Century atheist tyrannies
>> - the increase of 3000,000,000 new believers in China alone
>> unmatched by the increase in atheists in the USA of a mere few
>> hundred thousand
>>
>> Richo provided his individual sense of decline.
>>
>> I merely used his despair as a personal testimonial which
>> illustrates the reality revealed by the global figures.
>>
>>

>>> (2) Atheism (and more generally non-belief) is a growing demographic -
>>> excepting in places where it can get you killed by the faithful.
>>
>> No evidence from you at all?

Atheists never have any, and when I invariably provide the
only facts and evidence alt.atheism ever sees, by QUOTING
the ATHEISTS, we get Ravin Loony protesting that the
atheist quotes are 'Insane Rants'!!! My point precisely! B^D

>> How sad you can't provide any facts
>> to support your wishful thinking.. but you really do look desperate
>> when you SNIP the evidence such as that cited by Dr Reza Aslam,
>> on the surge in religion since the Atheist tyrannies of the 20th century
>> were overthrown and people regained their FREEDOM to THINK
>> and believe, which EVERY ATHEIST STATE IN HISTORY HAS REPRESSED!
>>
>>

>> I can see why you atheist avoid discussion of history, too much
>> EVIDENCE of your failures.. and that's why you prefer to
>> argue Metaphysics, to which there are never any answers.
>>

>> I mean look at Bukakke, your one remaining, totally OBSESSIVE, Chumpion!
>>
>> No matter what the subject, and who is raising it, Bukakke ALWAYS

>> tries to snip and run from it and change the thread to Creationism!
>>
>>

>> Has anyone told Bukakke that in my country, in every school, EVOLUTION
>> is taught, and that includes the Catholic sector(20% of schoolkids)
>> and the private Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant schools.
>>

>> Why does Bukakke flog a deceased equine, when it's irrelevant to

>> mainstream religion?
>>
>> More generally, is that ALL that contemporary atheism has to WHINE about?
>>
>> I mean we are used to your ENDLESS, CARPING AND WHINING, but couldn't
>> you at least change the fucking TUNE occasionally! B^p
>>
>>
>>> Mark.
>>
>> (Weakly) Defensive as usual
>>

>> ---------
>>
>> Atheists are in retreat:
>>
>> Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
>>
>>

>> # "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
>> # came into being

>> # - Richard Dawkins
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

'"evidence" that mean "insane rants"' - Ravin1

>> When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
>> Do they have names?
>>
>> WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??
>

> For definitions of "evidence" that mean "insane rants", perhaps.

Well, most of the EVIDENCE you snipped and now call "Insane Rants"
is DIRECT, VERBATIM QUOTES from ATHEISTS, Dawkins, de Botton, you,
Ritcho, Bukakke.. et al:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> ..Atheist activist Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;
>>

>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

'"evidence" that mean "insane rants"' - Ravin1

>> ...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
>> as a religion:
>>
>> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
>> #
>> #
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>>

> '"evidence" that mean "insane rants"' - Ravin1

[fasgnadh]

On 18/03/2012 3:34 PM, Vurgil wrote:
>
>> Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
>>

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#

# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods

# came into being by an explicable scientific progression

# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all



>>

>> # "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
>> # came into being
>> #

> ³It¹s very important to understand that these Gods came into being




> by an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.²
> - Richard Dawkins

[fasgnadh]

Waldo Turdball yabbered incoherently as he lashed me with his limp
lettuce leaf 'wit':

1 pathetic and unoriginal Yo momma
1 feeble tittie reference

" Is this typical of the kind of logical education
deficit in your neck of the woods?" B^D

Waldo is clearly a 6 year old.

> I think

No evidence of you thinking in any of your posts.

> I embarrassed

You reap what you sow.

> On 26/02/2012 3:36 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Waldo Tunnel wrote SFA, just the usual ad hom lies and atheist wanking:

>>> On 25/02/2012 11:41 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>

>>>> > there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.

>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>> of course:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>

>>>>> Fidem Turdbare, atheist goddess"

>>>>>
>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>
>>>> # From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>>>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>>>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>>>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800
>>>> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>
>>>> #
>>>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>>>> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>> #
>>>> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>>>> # >
>>>> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>>>> #
>>>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>

> Your mama?

>
>>> Is this supposed to mean something?
>>
>> It means that atheists claim anything without a belief is an
>> atheist; cats, maggotts, dog shit...
>>
>> They are the SMARTEST of the atheist menagerie! B^]

Waldo ranks below the dog shit for originality and wit.

> Does the "B" in your emoticon (above) mean you have tits?

How old are you? 6?

> Just asking.

Sure you are, as you never have anything to say.

Weak as piss, you pathetic infant! B^D

[go play with your imaginary breasts, little baby, you
are never going to touch any after you are weaned! B^]

>>>>> John Baker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>>>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>>> @
>>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>>> #
>>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>>
>>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>>>

>> That was Best Abu Baker Bashir could do..
>> another whiney little atheist bitch having

>> a hissy-fit and breakdown in public!

Thanks to my little Office bitch, Waldo, for
proofreading and making coffee.. B^]

>>
>> We held a whip around to buy him a self addressed envelope
>> and a stamp!
>>

>> He he, that was me, taking the piss of the whiney little bitch
>> and this is the best that quarter wit Waldo could come up with:
>

> Hahaha!

Sycophantic laughter won't save you now, you silly little arselicker..

>>> This is the best fasgnadh can come up with.
>>
>> Don't you even know who you are!? B^D YOU wrote that!

> taking the piss of the whiney little bitch..."?

It's impossible to resist, your whining has the same effect in producing
mocking laughter as a baby's cry or a smelly nappy has in getting it's
parents attention..

but at 6 years old you really should be toilet trained!

> It was never my intent

I know, you just lack bowel control, now clean up the pile of Waldo
droppings and waddle off, stinky.

Look Waldo, even as a lightweight and NG joke, you are a boring little
twat. B^D

Lift your game it you want to continue to be my educational tool,
compared to you, Vurgil looks like an amusing raconteur.

>> B^D

>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>> Olrik
>>>>
>>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>>
>>>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>>>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>> #
>>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>>>

>>>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...
>> >

>> > I actually chased this quote down
>>
>> sure, I provide evidence and you have to try ands find something you
>> can WHINE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH about, in a desperate bid to distract
>> from the CRITICAL ADMISSION by Olrik that he is a LYING SHITPIG!
>>
>>>fasgnadh Left a bit out.
>>
>> Of course, his admission is the only relevant part.
>>
>> Other wise you or the Kook-sucking tools whine that
>> "2 many wurds, our branes hurtz"
>

> Wow, all those typos.

They have brain damage from adopting the orthodox
atheist position:

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Head-Up_Ass.png

> I apologize.

Why, did you teach them how to do it?

>> B^D
>>
>> Naturally you want to bury the relevant part in endless GARBAGE!
>>
>>> shall I?
>>
>> You want MY permission, you servile little slut?
>>
>> Sure Gutter snipe, do some work for a change,
>> we could all do with a laugh watching you whine
>> about some irrelevant distraction that DOES NOT
>> CHANGE THAT SHITPIGS CONFESSION in any significant way!

And, to no ones surprise the whiny little bitch folded
faster than the Deck chairs on the Titanic, and bent over
offering his arse:

> if you want to behave as if you are exempt from the rules, fine.

Ugh, save it for your fellow fudge packers! B^p

Now, this is your LAST CHANCE to say something intelligent,
relevant to the subject and worth hearing, otherwise you
boring little Kook-Sucker, .......BLOW ME!

> But don't make me gag

OH sweet Jeebus, you atheist Kook Sucker ....It was METAPHORICAL!!!

8^o

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA

I only mate with sentient human females.. not with pond slime..

who the hell do you think you are, you sick little pervert?

> A fat chick with big tits?

Steve Knight, your afiest 'Warlord' (snicker ;-) will be interested.

> Mrs. fagsnadh?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA


No fucking way! B^D

I'm spoken for, and who would want your diseases? B^p

>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own
>>>>> candidates
>>>>

>>>> St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"
>>>>
>>>> His Acolyte, Bukakke:
>>>>

>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>>>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>

>>>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:
>>>>

>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups:
>>>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>>>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>>>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>>>> #
>>>> # Budikka
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Warlord Fluffy:

>>>>
>>>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>>> #

>>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>>> #
>>>> # Warlord Steve
>>>> # BAAWA
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Chris Lee:

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>>>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>>>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

Waldo thought that sounded right up his alley;

> Damn it! I touched a nerve again.

Please take the injuries from indulging in your deviant
fantasies to alt.atheist.dildos,

you are making some people here lose their breakfast,

> Sorry. I didn't mean to.

Do you have to train hard to be this tiresome?

> Phew! What can I say?

how about 'au revoir'?

> very persuasive.

then ..Do a Nike slogan!

> If you were a bit more polite I might be inclined to give you some

Already told you, atheist slut, I'm just not interested no matter
how hard you try to please me...

> A big ass chick with a pointy nose. Am I getting warm?

like an iceberg, you sick little puppy!

Now fuck off before I decide to make you today's sacrifice to ensure
the sun comes up.

> Um, I would appreciate it if you didn't

then STFU!

> talk to me like I was your sister.

Sure, as I don't have a sister you get nothing! B^]

>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> You're welcome, people need to be warned, as they look just like
>>>> real people.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>

>>> [...]

>>>
>>>
>>> "One thing you can't hide
>>> Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon
>

> LOL! Like your quotes.

Yes, you are like the quote.

> "Clearly fagsnadh is fascinated by atheists

I literally can't believe how often they get their arses kicked
till they bleed and then stuff their heads back up them and return
for more!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA


> been archiving atheists posts for _years_ now. (see below)"

below: Google does that for you, atheist fuckwit! B^D

All you need is a photographic memory and an IQ above 100,

so that let's you out!


> he clipped the above for obvious reasons.

You want to prove that I operate strategically in a way that
no atheist can manage?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

Be my guest...

> fagsnadh doesn't like it widely known

that I can quote athiests to show what irrational hypocrites they are,
at will?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Lets see who gets tired of seeing atheists quoted verbatim to
demonstrate, for example, what a hate filled shitpig their atheist
Warlord is and see how much you, or any other atheist thug, wants to
discuss it, shall we?

####################################################################

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.

#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

####################################################################


Now my little puppet, you print some mindless adolescent drivel,
and snip the evidence of violent atheist psychopaths, supported
by the entire alt.atheism NG, so that I can laugh at you and
repost it... [or, if you become conditioned to run away, as all the
atheist Oldtimers do, after i kicked their arses till their ears bled, I
can post it on any of the threads I initiate whenever I please,
they are always among the highest traffic threads, and your
participation is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT to my purpose. B^]

I don't even CARE which oldtimer you are sockpuppet for! B^]

In the end, YOU have precisely NOTHING to say.

It is my message that is heard, even by those of you who
scream and gnash your teeth in impotent rage, and I am not
even concerned about your brainless responses, they simply make it clear
to the casual observer that you have no substance.


Over to you, bub. B^]

[fasgnadh]

On 8/04/2012 5:22 AM, Uirgil wrote:

Poor old Vurgil, he can't find A SINGLE, rational atheist in alt.atheism
to name!

In the entire WORLD he can only come up with a few DOZEN
people chosen at random including pornographers and and
Hollywood actors!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

And because so many of them are just celebrities, actors and novelists,
people who create FANTASY like Dyson and Dawkins do,
he can't even call them RATIONAL.. just "well known"! B^D

> > Some well known Atheists:

Oh, don't leave out the MOST FAMOUS ones:

Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, responsible for terrorising, torturing and
killing over 80,000,000 people.

So, the atheists have so much trouble identifying ANY of the
atheists in USENET as rational, they have to trawl the world to find
a list of Hollywood celebrities (known for their intellect ;-) as
'well known atheists' in the most feeble, misguided attempt at
argument from authority I have seen:

The IRRATIONAL atheist argument is 'be an atheist because "Larry Flynt"
was!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

This is a weak, failed "Argument from Authority" FALLACY:


#
# Argument from authority
# The basic structure of such arguments is as follows:
# Professor X believes A,
# Professor X speaks from authority, therefore A is true.
# Often this argument is implied by emphasizing the many
# years of experience, or the formal degrees held by the
# individual making a specific claim. The converse of this
# argument is sometimes used, that someone does not possess
# authority, and therefore their claims must be false.
# (This may also be considered an ad-hominen logical
# fallacy – see below.)

In this case Vurgil, one of the most IRRATIONAL atheists in the
universe, is arguing that the expertise these atheists is
"being Well known"

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

None have any expertise or genuine authority in Theology, Philosophy,
or Ontology, specifically the existence, or not, of God!

# In practice this can be a complex logical fallacy to deal with.
# It is legitimate to consider the training and experience of an
# individual when examining their assessment of a particular claim.
# Also, a consensus of scientific opinion does carry some legitimate
# authority. But it is still possible for highly educated
# individuals, and a broad consensus to be wrong – speaking from
# authority does not make a claim true.
#
# This logical fallacy crops up in more subtle ways also.
# For example, UFO proponents have argued that UFO sightings
# by airline pilots should be given special weight because
# pilots are trained observers, are reliable characters,
# and are trained not to panic in emergencies.
# In essence, they are arguing that we should trust the
# pilot’s authority as an eye witness.

Vurgil and the irrational atheists are arguing you should trust
pornographers like Larry Flint, or actors, or financial speculators, or
gay suicides to decide about your Ontological viewpoint!

Fidel Castro and Larry Flynt couldn't even SPELL IT!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAA

# There are many subtypes of the argument from authority,
# essentially referring to the implied source of authority.
# A common example is the argument ad populum – a belief must be true
# because it is popular, essentially assuming the authority of the
# masses. Another example is the argument from antiquity –
# a belief has been around for a long time and therefore must be true.
#
#
# http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

And what makes ANY of these people an authority on God, or sexual
preference, or finance, or a happy marriage? B^D

A: nothing. they are a tiny fraction of the phonebook, even for
the Yellow pages of their chosen professions.

# The strength of this argument depends upon two factors:
#
# The authority is a legitimate expert on the subject.

Nope.

# A consensus exists among legitimate experts on the
# matter under discussion.

Nope.

# Fallacious appeals to authority
#
# Fallacious arguments from authority often are the result of
# failing to meet at least one of the two conditions from
# the previous section. Specifically, when the inference
# fails to meet the first condition, this is sometimes called an
# "appeal to inappropriate authority".[3] This occurs when an
# inference relies on individuals or groups without relevant
# expertise or knowledge.
#
# Secondly, because the argument is inductive (which in this sense
# implies that the truth of the conclusion cannot be guaranteed by the
# truth of the premises), it also is fallacious to assert that the
# conclusion must be true. Such an assertion is a non sequitur;
# the inductive argument might have probabilistic or statistical merit,
# but the conclusion does not follow unconditionally in the sense of
# being logically necessary.
#
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

What Vurgil proposes is argument by Irrational Atheist BELIEVERS in this
sort of DELUSIONAL RUBBISH, which not even the DUMBEST of
atheists can accept as true:

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression
# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

[Uirgil]

In article <OJ5gr.5496$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:


l.
>
> > 'fasgnadh's "evidence" that mean his "insane rants"' - Ravin1

> >> No evidence from you at all?
>
> Atheists never have any

But as they make no claims that require evidence, they don't need any.
>
>
l

> >> WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??

Only those, like theists, who make claim of knowledge that require
evidence, need evidence, but non-theists do not make any claims of
knowledge.

> >> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be persecuted

If you are not trying to persecute atheist why are you posting your
hundreds of poisonous posts to atheist news groups?

http://www.celebatheists.com/wiki/Main_Page

Douglas Adams, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Woody Allen, Fred Armisen, Lance
Armstrong, Darren Aronofsky, Isaac Asimov, Dan Barker, Dave Barry,
Ingmar Bergman, Richard Branson, James Cameron, George Carlin, John
Carmack, Adam Carolla, John Carpenter, Asia Carrera, Fidel Castro, Noam
Chomsky, Jeremy Clarkson, Billy Connolly, Francis Crick, David
Cronenberg, David Cross, Alan Cumming, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard
Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Ani DiFranco, Micky Dolenz, Harlan Ellison,
Richard Feynman, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Flynt, Dave Foley, Jodie
Foster, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Ricky Gervais, Ira
Glass, James Gleick, Robert Heinlein, Ernest Hemingway, Katharine
Hepburn, Christopher Hitchens, Jamie Hyneman, Eddie Izzard, Penn
Jillette, Billy Joel, Diane Keaton, Michael Kinsley, Keira Knightley,
John Landis, Hugh Laurie, Artie Lange, Richard Leakey, Bruce Lee, Tom
Lehrer, John Lennon, Tom Leykis, James Lipton, H.P. Lovecraft, Bill
Maher, John Malkovich, Barry Manilow, Todd McFarlane, Sir Ian McKellen,
Arthur Miller, Frank Miller, Julianne Moore, Rafael Nadal, Randy Newman,
Mike Nichols, Jack Nicholson, Gary Numan, Bob Odenkirk, Patton Oswalt,
Camille Paglia, Trey Parker, Steven Pinker, Paula Poundstone, Terry
Pratchett, Robin Quivers, James Randi, Ron Reagan Jr., Rob Reiner, Keanu
Reeves, Rick Reynolds, Gene Roddenberry, Joe Rogan, Henry Rollins, Andy
Rooney, Salman Rushdie, Adam Savage, Brian Sapient, Bob Simon, Steven
Soderbergh, Annika Sorenstam, George Soros, Richard Stallman, Howard
Stern, Matt Stone, Julia Sweeney, Teller, Studs Terkel, Pat Tillman,
Alan Turing, Eddie Vedder, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Steven

Weinberg, Joss Whedon, Ted Williams, Steve Wozniak

[Uirgil]

In article <PL5gr.5497$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/2012 3:34 PM, Vurgil wrote:
> >

> >Dawkins declares Atheist Gods may sometime in the future evolve.

>
>
> # Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
> # From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
> # alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
> # uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
> # Organization: Vurgil
> # Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
> # Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
> #

> # "It1s very important to understand that these Gods

> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression
> # of incremental evolution."
> #

> # Read it all at and see what Dawkins says:
> #
> # http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

And it does not say what fasgnadh keeps trying to make it appear to say.

[Uirgil]

In article <bO6gr.5499$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Waldo Turdball yabbered incoherently as he lashed me with his limp
> lettuce leaf 'wit':
>
> 1 pathetic and unoriginal Yo momma
> 1 feeble tittie reference
>
> " Is this typical of the kind of logical education
> deficit in your neck of the woods?" B^D
>
> Waldo is clearly a 6 year old

Which makes him at least twice your mental age.

[Uirgil]

In article <6l7gr.5386$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Poor old Vurgil, he can't find A SINGLE, rational theist.

> to name!
>
> In the entire WORLD he can only come up with a few DOZEN

> of them chosen at random including pornographers and and
> Hollywood actors!
>

> And because so many of them are just celebrities, actors and novelists,
> people who create FANTASY like Dyson and Dawkins do,
> he can't even call them RATIONAL.

Albert Einstein is a non-theist, and more rational than him it is hard
to get.

>
> > > Some well known Atheists:
>
> Oh, don't leave out the MOST FAMOUS ones:

You mean like: Douglas Adams, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Woody Allen, Fred

Armisen, Lance Armstrong, Darren Aronofsky, Isaac Asimov, Dan Barker,
Dave Barry, Ingmar Bergman, Richard Branson, James Cameron, George
Carlin, John Carmack, Adam Carolla, John Carpenter, Asia Carrera, Fidel
Castro, Noam Chomsky, Jeremy Clarkson, Billy Connolly, Francis Crick,
David Cronenberg, David Cross, Alan Cumming, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard
Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Ani DiFranco, Micky Dolenz, Harlan Ellison,
Richard Feynman, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Flynt, Dave Foley, Jodie
Foster, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Ricky Gervais, Ira
Glass, James Gleick, Robert Heinlein, Ernest Hemingway, Katharine
Hepburn, Christopher Hitchens, Jamie Hyneman, Eddie Izzard, Penn
Jillette, Billy Joel, Diane Keaton, Michael Kinsley, Keira Knightley,
John Landis, Hugh Laurie, Artie Lange, Richard Leakey, Bruce Lee, Tom
Lehrer, John Lennon, Tom Leykis, James Lipton, H.P. Lovecraft, Bill
Maher, John Malkovich, Barry Manilow, Todd McFarlane, Sir Ian McKellen,
Arthur Miller, Frank Miller, Julianne Moore, Rafael Nadal, Randy Newman,
Mike Nichols, Jack Nicholson, Gary Numan, Bob Odenkirk, Patton Oswalt,
Camille Paglia, Trey Parker, Steven Pinker, Paula Poundstone, Terry
Pratchett, Robin Quivers, James Randi, Ron Reagan Jr., Rob Reiner, Keanu
Reeves, Rick Reynolds, Gene Roddenberry, Joe Rogan, Henry Rollins, Andy
Rooney, Salman Rushdie, Adam Savage, Brian Sapient, Bob Simon, Steven
Soderbergh, Annika Sorenstam, George Soros, Richard Stallman, Howard
Stern, Matt Stone, Julia Sweeney, Teller, Studs Terkel, Pat Tillman,

Alan Turing, Eddie Vedder, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Steven

Weinberg, Joss Whedon, Ted Williams, Steve Wozniak?

> # pilotąs authority as an eye witness.

> # Read it all and see that Fasgnadh lies.
> #
> # http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

[dolf]

On 8/04/12 2:39 PM, Uirgil wrote:
> So, the atheists have so much trouble identifying ANY of the
>> atheists in USENET as rational, they have to trawl the world to find
>> a list of Hollywood celebrities (known for their intellect;-) as
>> 'well known atheists' in the most feeble, misguided attempt at
>> argument from authority I have seen:
>>
>> The IRRATIONAL atheist argument is 'be an atheist because "Larry Flynt"
>> was!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Kabbalah anyone?

[dolf]

Waldo Tunnel (waldo...@gmail.com) the escape artist?

That avenue of enquiry is closed!

[dolf]

Waldo Tunnel (waldo...@gmail.com): “Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by

atheists to the degree he has been archiving atheists posts for years now.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Clearly you can't tell the difference
between fascination and mockery, you poor di[mw]itted tool.”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “He also has a

particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the difference

between atheists being irrational and atheists mocking him.”

dolf: “Wasn't there an avalanche in Pakistan (Kashmir)?

Ships and boats having problems at sea?

And striving, protestations and contention amongst the rowers on the
river Thames, London?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Waldo Turdball yabbered incoherently as

he lashed me with his limp lettuce leaf 'wit':

1 pathetic and unoriginal Yo momma
1 feeble tittie reference

"Is this typical of the kind of logical education deficit in your neck
of the woods?" B^D

Waldo is clearly a 6 year old.

> I think

No evidence of you thinking in any of your posts.

> I embarrassed

You reap what you sow.”

dolf: “Waldo Tunnel (waldo...@gmail.com) the escape artist?

That avenue of enquiry is closed!”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Well, all the irrational atheists have

different names, some have even smaller penises than the others.

But he was having a breakdown at the time, crying a lot, so go easy on
him! … we all do.”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “Perhaps three to
five years ago we had a person who declared he would pray for an atheist
on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him would be given a date
on which The Prayer would be said.”

dolf: “Rational Atheists: Begging to say a little prayer for me?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I don't think anyone in that story
counts as rational. Clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY
rational people among their ranks!”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “What happened to
that guy?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I'm sure someone will remember. After
all if it wasn't for the nutters on the other side you would have no one
to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA”

dolf: “I’ve been wondering about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for
a while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch. Especially now that his

prophets Phillip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit,

and being worthless decadent cunts, no longer have any participation in
Australia's ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for the evil that they have brought to life!”

Nous: #4
Time: 17:00 hrs
Date: 2012.12.8
Torah: #50 #10 #400 %81 = #55
Dao: Using Guidance, Sourceless
Tetra: #81 - Fostering
I-Ching: H27 - Nourishment

Latin: Adolescentia {King of Heaven} Alt: Aumel {Hum of God} {
1. SERVES TO OBTAIN MERCY & LONGEVITY
2. DYNASTIES (KINGS, PRINCES)
3. STABILITY
4. Chenon
}
Achim {Preparing; revenging; confirming}

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:1,row:7,col:6

Jonesie “Canadian” Trash (caseyte...@yahoo.com): “You are an insipid
old boob.

Who would have guessed that LBJ had a child picking daiseys (sic),
showed an atomic bomb and then said, “We must love each other, or we
must die!” [Election commercial, 1964]

Where the fuck is Don Draper?”

I thought Jamie Rowe was discriminatory in the manner by which he
undertook his seeking of housemates in Liverpool Street with Gay
Share-space was indulgently disrespectful of the person's dignity as
autonomic right. That collectively these radio personalities are by
their fascist dog commentary, not mindful of duty to State. I also
called the Chief Commissioner office with that same calmness of mind--it
is therefore dishonest to convey it as otherwise.

Flag NOT Fag Wa[i]ver (leo...@aohell.org): “Many targets, one bomb.

B O O M !”

dolf: “...and I want to call in an airstrike...is that wrong?”

Defence Minister Stephen Swan in addressing the media on 7 March 2012,
over ADF shenanigans does raise some matters of parallelism and I do
note as advice in which I agree.

On 8/04/12 12:34 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

[fasgnadh]

Findem Turdbar, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:

> On 2012-Apr-06 20:36, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 12:01 PM, Smiler wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:44:35 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:29:04 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:03:04 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>>>>> atheist goddess wrote:
>>>>>> On 2012-Feb-23 16:25, Richo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps it's time for people to start promoting usenet newsgroups
>>>>>> to the masses again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the RCC would allow that at their services :-)
>>>>
>>>> They simply haven't been offered enough.
>>>
>>> Well, they have got those massive legal settlements to pay out.
>>
>> Did any of the atheist regimes ever make reparations for the
>> 80,000,000 victims of atheist state terror torture and mass murder in
>> the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR), Mao's Great Leap
>> Backward and Cultural evolution and Pol Pots Cambodian genocide..
>>
>> did atheists even apologise for slaughter and crimes against humanity
>> far greater than any committed by the religions your feeble and
>> hypocritical ideology constantly mocks?
>>
>> Clearly none of you whining hypocrites has heard the more intelligent
>> atheists calling for you to LEARN something from those who have made far
>> more, except for dead bodies and catastrophic mistakes, than atheism
>> ever has;
>

> How is atheism responsible for any of this?

By the actions of atheist regimes implementing atheist
persecution of theists and religion, of course, are you completely
ignorant of the history of atheism?;

# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg

#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.



> Remember, the definition of atheism is

irrelevant, its the ACTIONS which count.

"National Socialist German Workers' Party" sounds innocuous enough,
but that's the definition of "Nazi"!

Clearly the definition says NOTHING about the systematic slaughter
of Jews, are you seriously arguing that we should listen to what the
Nazis SAY about themselves, rather than what they did? pffffft!

That's typical of the semantic evasion and weasel words of atheist moral
defectives.

Atheists DEFINE themselves in the abstract, but their anti-theist
actions in EVERY atheist regime gives the lie to their claim that they
should be judged by what they SAY, rather than what the DO!

Nazis never publicly announced, "We are going to commit GENOCIDE",
but that is what they DID. Now Nazi apologists deny the holocaust.

Same with the atheist tyrannies.


> "the absence of belief in deities and supernatural agents,"

Atheist's make claims they can't prove, i.e. unfounded BELIEFS:


http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

And they engage in hate filled incitement to violence:

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

> which has no negative or positive connotations, is not hateful or
> loving, etc., for it's profoundly free and purely objective:

Rubbish, atheists carry out death threats against theists,
threats CARRIED out against MILLIONS in every atheist tyranny:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

When will you atheists stop LYING about the REALITY of
atheism and hiding behind WORDS which are untrue!?

[dolf]

#19 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 2, col: 9, nous: 66 [Super: #325 / #75 -
Destructive Envy, Harmed Through Greed; I-Ching: H52 - Inaction; Tetra:
72 - Hardness, Ego: #408 / #66 - Strategic Reversal, Putting Oneself
Behind; I-Ching: H41 - Decrease; Tetra: 55 - Diminishment] {Engendering
Nature}

Before I address those issues above relating to the provision of a
parking space in a private street known as Saint Andrews Street, North
Melbourne (Victoria). Of which there will be disclosed matters of
“partiality and misdirected use of powers associated with injustice in
judgment” and of our capacity to bring a righteous judgement against our
Roman Catholic and Italian immigrant market gardener who (by a shared
common brick wall opposite) operated his business as neighbour in an
adjoining Gardener Street, North Melbourne and not to bear a grievous
sin, as a consequence of their determined, forceful, hostile and
besieging act of wickedness perpetuated against our Australian
Commonwealth, its peoples and traditions.

...

#15 / .jackNote@zen: 4, row: 4, col: 5, nous: 31 [Super: #344 / #77 -
Natural Guide, Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 57 -
Guardedness, Ego: #452 / #31 - Military Stratagem, Quelling War;
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance; Tetra: 51 - Constancy] {Nature Surmounts Nature}

There is under the Tenancy Agreement, a requirement for allowing a “Fire
Inspection of Your Premises” and therefore notionally of any “refusal of
compliance to grant access” allowing such fire inspection for “emergency
services then being associated with a classification as a breach of your
tenancy agreement” as an obligation made in relation to the exercising
of a duty and discharging of lawful responsibilities by individuals,
Institutions and the State. This is a requirement placed upon the Tenant
under Section 23.7 of the Residential Tenancies Regulation (NSW), “to
allow access to inspect, carry out necessary repairs, or for maintenance
of the residential premises.

If you do not allow access on the required date and time this is
classified as a breach of your tenancy, and be subject to any additional
costs or fines.”

In this respects of the “Annual Fire Safety Inspection” there is as
‘EVENT C’ a letter dated 17 January 2012 from the Managing Agents of the
Strata Plan (14562) for the building: Alexander, 67 Bayswater Road,
Kings Cross which states: “Please find attached notice from Eagle Fire
Protection, who will be conducting the inspection for the Annual Fire
Safety Statement and will require access to your unit on the following
date to complete the inspections:

Date: Wednesday 25th January 2102
Between the hours of 7.00am - 9.30am

The Annual Fire Safety inspections are required by Council to be
completed every year in order to certify the building as compliant with
fire regulations.”

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/frontdoor.jpg
‘EVENT B’ Front Door (inner view)

Three Books visible are:

Spiral Dynamics: ‘Exploring the New Science of Memetics’ by Mastering
Values, Leadership, and Change [Don Beck & Christopher Cowan © 1996, 2006]

Sefer Yetzirah: The Book of Creation: In Theory and Practice
(‘Virtualization of Belief’) [Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan © 1997]

The Occult Encyclopedia of Magic Squares: ‘Planetary Angels and Spirits
of Ceremonial Magick’ Volume 1 [Niveveh Shadrach © 2009]

There is in ‘EVENT A’ and ‘EVENT B’ no equivalent authority under the
Tenancy Agreement to ‘EVENT C’ which otherwise necessitates the Tenant
recognise the right to “allow access to inspect” by emergency services
in claimed compliance under the Mental Health Act. And the correct
course of considered action for him, was to stand his ground in relation
to the past damages as property losses sustained by him without any
right of recourse due to a claimed legislative prerogative by others.
That the collective parties conduct in making an “unauthorised access”
into the residential property without the Tenant’s knowledge, wholly in
his absence and without any accountability for it occurring and when it
did so as an event, may be considered effectual and categorical grounds
for a termination of the Tenancy Agreement made under Section 104 which
grants an authority for a termination order ostensibly on the grounds of
hardship: as the “multiple damages sustained without any right of
recourse due to a claimed legislative prerogative and directed towards
the Tenant, made on the basis that he can be so routinely and unfairly
regarded by others because he is held by them to be delusional” and this
is considered effective from the date of that “unauthorised entry”.

In the circumstances where the “unauthorised entry” resulted in damages
and replacement to the “fire rated door”, there is sufficient grounds
for the Tenant to seek the Tribunal’s termination of the Tenancy
Agreement. That the gratuity made by the Tenant of an additional rental
payment of $350 already credited to the LandLord until 27th March 2012,
was an appropriate consideration from the Tenant. Any loss of an
additional one week’s rent of $400 owing which as payable until the
arrival of new tenants on 5 April 2012, is then more appropriately a
cost directed towards the other parties as the New South Wales Police
Force and Saint Vincent’s Hospital.

#16 / .jackNote@zen: 4, row: 5, col: 8, nous: 65 [Super: #360 / #75 -
Destructive Envy, Harmed Through Greed; I-Ching: H52 - Inaction; Tetra:
72 - Hardness, Ego: #394 / #65 - Unlearned Virtuosity as Simplicity;
I-Ching: H20 - Contemplation; Tetra: 63 - Watch] {Nature Amended in its
Nature}

And further on this individual duty towards fire emergency is the
requirement for all occupants to evacuate the building. In this regard,
the Tenant raises the point shortly after the creation of his own CD ROM
edition of “Operation Grapple 20120202”, which is recorded in the
Chapter: “Oh Fuck Yeah?” that he had a premonition over the fire alarm
being about to sound off. And wearing only jocks (underwear), made a
consideration of which garment a faggot (ie. gay male; homosexual) ought
to be seen in and of what affection he was bestowing, as presentation
(grounding) and projection of self:

Is it hasty or reserved or simply in the knowing that I was wearing a
GALPEN (Gay and Lesbian Police Employees Network) Spicer Jacket with
police banding and a pink triangle with the name dolf as totally
impracticable to wear in the humidity of Sydney at that time of year--to
banter amongst the women folk.

A female occupant of the building and presumably on the Strata Committee
made the claim (the next day) that this false alarm, causing an
attendance of the fire brigade at a cost of $750, was due to an unusual
conglomeration of smoke in the area of the building foyer.

Being mindful of this requirement as the avoidance of such callouts, in
burning incense on an occasional basis and having the street window and
rear (non lockable) door routinely opened simultaneously. I could
readily observe the wafting incense flow of air which biased in it’s
venting in quietude towards the rear door. I conveyed my observation
about the smoke presence, being perhaps due to the lack of a regard to
lighting up shown by people entering or vacating the building rather
anyone particular tenant smoking, incense burning, cooking or exhausting.

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/backdoor.jpg

‘EVENT B’ Rear Courtyard Door (inner view thru a non lockable door)

Unintentional Removalist Acts: Garden Gnome Buddha Statue

And then make the further provocations as commentary: “Its all a matter
of timing really, I knew I would be measured by the quality by which I
met expectation: In that, the most safest way to make any retreat for me
would be through the rear entrance and therefore I checked the areas and
made an exit in Kings Cross Rd to determine the atmosphere and the state
of calm. I returned and was prepared with copies of “OPERATION GRAPPLE”
and “INTERVIEWS GRAPPLE” should the senior member be conversant with the
subject--Can you imagine my rage at my Jewish neighbour just down the
street and the effort it took to squeeze out the word FREAK as proof of
his involvement in the conspiracy to commit murder and possibly treason:
Little wonder I wanted to throw him out onto the street.

Moving forward in regard of his presence should the senior police member
wish to speak and wanting to enjoy the vitality of the men in uniform
and especially the beauty, masculinity and appealing manner which
emanated from that young man’s presence of being.

If a mere gesturing is insulting what do you think I consider being
bodily pushed away to his own peril to be?”

As I recall on the night, a young barefoot male person naked excepting
for boxer shorts as underwear did emerge from the building and he was
smoking--no different in that regard to the deceased soldier Private
Jake Kovco’s casual video depictions of himself smoking.

What we see from this “false fire alarm” scenario as an exigency
requiring the attendance and appraisal of the notifying event by
Emergency Services resources from both the New South Wales Metropolitan
Fire Brigade and the New South Wales Police Force is an exercise of the
mechanics of the State Authority in a response to that state of alarm.
And then as ridiculous as it may seem, we have this clandestine (five or
six people, if it is that in a) group, nonchalant and comfortable enough
to smoke out in the street in their underwear and amongst strangers
while they watched the live emergency theatre around them unravel the
nonsense.

Where did they leave their butts?

So from a morphological perspective, in that the Tenant has also
acknowledged the subsequent testing as to any “problem resolution and
maintenance” of the fire alarm system by opening his front door entrance
and vocalising recognition of such an ongoing “fire alarm testing”
activity occurring. If the Tenant subsequently saw “five or six butts”
simultaneously appearing in two locations, namely: within the street
positioned pot plant at the Spanish Cafe Hernandez situated at the back
doorway to an emergency exit from the building. And the second grouping
(which was removed), within the confines of the building at the rear
exit adjacent to my rear door shown above and within proximity to “EVENT
B” occurring.

The Tenant would conclude:

It was capable of being perceived as an impunity directed against the
cleaner’s dedication as observed exemplary service and commitment to
duty by cheerful assistance;

In the same direct and spacial manner as the “Garden Gnome Buddha
Statue” sat quietly {12 x 6J = 72J @ Still in Time} in the corner, the
Tenant found a workable disposable cigarette lighter which was
incongruously pressed (and which was removed) into the left corner of
the second (and occasional removalist) door to the Alexander building
entrance.

The spectacle, enterprise and the singularity of common purpose which
was organically capable of producing “five or six butts” in one location
would not have been done in silence as any single activity or event,
excepting perhaps dumping of it as a waste material by one party;

The Tenant would have heard such an event as the Tenant occasionally did
so hear of the backpackers down the street, who did sociably and
informally gather outside the hostel in moderation within the street to
smoke and there is in that vicinity, butting out amenities provided for
them.

As the Tenant had previously refreshed the soil in the street planter
boxes and garden area immediately outside the Spanish Cafe Hernandez, as
an act of communal goodwill following an outrage by drug affected
persons as infrequent and accidental customers of the cafe, who threw a
cup of coffee over the rear of the Alexander building. The Tenant had
not only washed the building exterior. But in providing a refreshment of
the garden soil, had also noted the general absence of cigarette butts
in the area.

The Tenant does however note the appearance on multiple occasions of an
unknown male cyclist who (for no apparent reason) would place his bike
aside, and stand against a tree / street sign in proximity to his
window. Pausing only long enough to have a cigarette before resuming his
travels on bicycle.

But as to why this surreptitious activity should be associated with
professional pest elimination services is unknown to him. However the
Tenant has been known to make provision of his Grapple #369 paradigm to
assist water management control systems, solar panel wiring schema,
State Library (Victoria), Customs and Immigration (Melbourne), and for
the benevolence of emergency services personnel such as the Fire,
Ambulance, Police and Nursing unions in their various requirements for
productivity gains, temporary and permanent disability entitlements and
income growth opportunities.

And had twice done so with respects to the Kings Cross division of the
New South Wales Metropolitan Fire Brigade.

#17 / .jackNote@zen: 4, row: 8, col: 7, nous: 3 [Super: #274 / #11 -
Value and Function of Non-Existence; I-Ching: H8 - Seeking Unity; Tetra:
33 - Closeness, Ego: #333 / #3 - Political Prescriptions, Quietude;
I-Ching: H46 - Moving Upward; Tetra: 8 - Opposition] {Act of Nature
{DOUBLE: Act of Nature {Transforming Nature}}}

Following on from this experience, the Tenant had written on 4 April
2012 a lyric on what he considered can be inferred from that very
ritualised incense / smoking dynamic. In doing so with express regards
to triumphing the successful virtualisation of the Australian ANZAC
identity and idealism as “esprit de corps” {a feeling of pride,
fellowship, and common loyalty shared by the members of a particular
group}. The Tenant undertook this creative action for the benefit of
many, but primarily to assist his “26yo str8 bi-polar m8” concerning the
metaphysical component as a requirement for his University degree and
education.

He was after all, the person the Tenant met and befriended during a
three week period of imprisonment within Caritas: (“Through the gates,
where the prince of poet’s Lawson himself once stood!”), when the police
first arrested the Tenant as “EVENT A” in September 2009. And I was now
conveying to him, an illustration of linguistic and idea based
morphology and how he may interpret any of the cognitive nodes to my
Grapple #369 paradigm as noumenal / temporal reality for his lyrical
purposes.

My str8 bi-polar m8 26yo: “Is your writing copyright? Like if I wanted
to adapt it into a play. Do we share the rights in a way?”

dolf: “As you are a collaborator, you are welcome to use it. I sent you
@ 2117 hours 6th April 2012 a message on my opinion of the Leveson
Inquiry into the British Media.

It is because we can visualise by the examples given, as illustrations
of linguistic and ideas based morphology:

Barbarians--> Reverence for the Dead --> Ritual / Incense (Smoking);

Little --> Death of God --> Four Score Skanking Whore: (Wank as #9 -
Inconstancy of Achievement, Practicing Placidity & #31 - Military Stratagem)

As I’ve suggested previously, the cognition of that statement: “Four
score, skanking whore” appears to be both connected to an awareness of a
weapon of warfare and use of the sexual act in association: [Supernal:

#6 - Female Superiority, Completion of Form; I-Ching: H25 - Innocence;

Tetra: 66 - Departure; Ego: #31 - Military Stratagem, Quelling War;
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance; Tetra: 51 - Constancy]. And also for the time
of day relative to a daemon:

“It's coming for you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1694, Super: #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement,
Practicing Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - Army; Tetra: 32 - Legion, Ego: #74 -
Controlling Feelings, Overcome Delusion; I-Ching: H39 - Obstacles;
Tetra: 80 - Labouring]

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #3553, Super: #41 - Playing with Reversal, Sameness
in Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: 60 -
Accumulation, Ego: #70 - Difficulty in Knowing How, Obtuse; I-Ching: H53
- Gradual Progress; Tetra: 14 - Penetration]

You are going to drown.

@memeBrain [Telos: #2253, Super: #6 - Female Superiority, Completion of
Form; I-Ching: H25 - Innocence; Tetra: 66 - Departure, Ego: #66 -
Strategic Reversal, Putting Oneself Behind; I-Ching: H41 - Decrease;
Tetra: 55 - Diminishment]

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

@memeBrain [Telos: #1838, Super: #31 - Military Stratagem, Quelling War;
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance; Tetra: 51 - Constancy, Ego: #56 - Abstruse
Mysterious Virtuosity; I-Ching: H55 - Abundance; Tetra: 46 - Enlargement]

Within each of these cognitive zones as daemons / angels and that an
opportunity now exists to use it to effect a transformative process. The
following is a proof of concept and an example of using my the Grapple
paradigm as a core for such activities. The cognising occurred
independently of the scaffolding framework as daemon / angel node within
the temporal / noumenal reality which as a computed value [SUPERNAL
(@MALE ???): #486 / EGO (@FEMALE ???): #219] is then mapped to the
Biblical narrative via the STRONGS concordance reference numbering to
the Greek [G915] and Hebrew [H6293] lexicon terms:

"And the barbarous {barbaros-barbarian [G915]: #486} people showed us no
little kindness: for they kindled a fire, and received us every one,
because of the present rain, and because of the cold." [Acts 28:2]

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/grapple-2.png

TRANSFORMATIVE IMPERATIVE: Virtualization of ANZAC Identity & Idealism
as Belief

#59 - A Sensible Guide, Hold Fast To Reason / #26 - Ambiguous Reversals,
Virtue of Gravity
#68 - Coinciding with Nature, Complying With Heaven / #9 - Inconstancy
of Achievement, Practicing Placidity
#57 - Laissez Faire Politics, Simplicity In Habits / #70 - Difficulty in
Knowing How, Obtuse

"And he communed with them, saying, “If it be your mind that I should
bury my dead out of my sight; hear me, and entreat {paga`-fall [H6293]:
#219} for me to Ephron {dust} the son of Zohar {white; bright; dryness}
…”” [Genesis 23:8]

MANIFEST NARRATIVE: Ritualised Incense / Smoking Dynamic & “Esprit de Corps”

“I burn incense for those killed {#26 - Ambiguous Reversals, Virtue of
Gravity / #26 - Ambiguous Reversals, Virtue of Gravity},

Let it rise to greet the dawn {#45 - Extremes and Reversals, Greatest
Virtue / #19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism, Returning to Simplicity}.

In the stilled morning of the dew {#60 - Skill Rulership, Maintain One's
Place / #15 - Mastering Guiding Discourse, Revealers of Virtue}.

Sometimes I've mulled and drawn {#62 - Construing a Guide, Practise
Reason / #2 - Contrast of Terms, Self-Culture},

And let my breath smoke filled {#76 - Strength's Warning Signs,
Revealers of Virtue / #14 - Praising the Mysterious (Metaphysics)}.

Give life to those memories ever new {#33 - Achievable Goals, Virtue of
Discrimination / #38 - Consequences for Virtuous Discourse}.” [zen:5,
row:1, col:5 @ 4 April 2012]

If you take the Grapple model of the “Homoiotic Kabbalistic Noumenon” as
outlined in paragraph #9 (as shown above) being an applicable paradigm
for an acceptable common mindset between professional bodies and
industry for the governance of values, change and knowledge cohesion,
ideas methodology and information presentation. You ought to also
recognise, that in having such prototyping tools of cognition and
consciousness, the intrusions of the past may not necessarily need to occur.

Under the formalist theory of contract, every contract must have six
elements:

OFFER: [“I burn incense for those killed.” {#26 - Ambiguous Reversals,
Virtue of Gravity / #26 - Ambiguous Reversals, Virtue of Gravity}]

ACCEPTANCE: [“Let it rise to greet the dawn.”{#45 - Extremes and
Reversals, Greatest Virtue / #19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism,
Returning to Simplicity}]

CONSIDERATION: [“In the stilled morning of the dew.” {#60 - Skill
Rulership, Maintain One's Place / #15 - Mastering Guiding Discourse,
Revealers of Virtue}]

MEETING OF MINDS: [“Sometimes I've mulled and drawn.” {#62 - Construing
a Guide, Practise Reason / #2 - Contrast of Terms, Self-Culture}]

CAPACITY: [“And let my breath smoke filled.” {#76 - Strength's Warning
Signs, Revealers of Virtue / #14 - Praising the Mysterious (Metaphysics)}]

LEGALITY: [“Give life to those memories ever new.” {#33 - Achievable
Goals, Virtue of Discrimination / #38 - Consequences for Virtuous
Discourse}]

Many other contracts, but not all types of contracts, also must be in
writing and be signed by the responsible party, in an element called
form. The “forma corporis” as the form of the body are ideas of contract
historically associated [Luke 1:5-13] with Jewish / Christian notions of
the Christian passion and the metaphysical agreement of governance by an
emanated progression magic squares that was made between sovereign
states, as perhaps a methodology in vogue at the time of the adoption of
the Julian Calendar.

Then it is advised, that you take the opportunity presented by Australia
Day and its strategic locus within the temporal / noumenal reality
mappings provided by the Grapple #369 paradigm and you create your legal
and binding agreement (including marriage as historically a binary
apparatus of contract) as a CHAD following the accepted method of the
dialetic progression which is purveyed by a set of agreeable protocols
such as this paragraph deploying cognitive nodes as the Categories of
Understanding related to “#237 - USE OF FORCE” or otherwise
primordially, as one of the taxonomical elements of the stoicheion (Gk.)
which here, presently is {Act of Nature {DOUBLE: Act of Nature
{Transforming Nature}}}:

TRANSFORMATIVE IMPERATIVE:
7th plane
8th plane
9th plane

MANIFEST NARRATIVE:
1st plane
2nd plane
3rd plane
4th plane
5th plane
6th plane

From the progression of daemon entries for 26 to 30 January. That is:

26th Jan = #324 / #380
27th Jan = #338 / #284
28th Jan = #438 / #324
29th Jan = #404 / #359
30th Jan = #294 / #298

This contract is mapped to a daemon / angel paradigm of natural
‘hypostatic’ religious and political governance by a noumenal / temporal
reality provided by an equitable distribution of a Ternary Number which
is also known as the Celestial Hierarchy:

#1 - SERAPHIM (@MALE ???) and
#2 - CHERUBIM (@FEMALE ???),

#15 - THRONES,
#34 - DOMINIONS,
#65 - VIRTUES,
#111 - POWERS,
#175 - PRINCIPALITIES,
#260 - ARCH-ANGELS,
#369 - ANGELS

As Categories of the Understanding and a computed (if not, the Bayesian
(ca. 1702–1761 CE) probability or degree-of-belief interpretation of the
probability) value [SUPERNAL (@MALE ???): #NUMBER / EGO (@FEMALE ???):
#NUMBER] which is then mapped to the Biblical narrative via the STRONGS
concordance reference numbering to the Greek and Hebrew lexicon
terms--It is completely circumscribed, embedded and articulated within
the Hebrew/Greek narrative known as the Jewish/Christian Scriptures.

As an authoritative statement of fact about one’s own religious belief
as a substance which supersedes and is sovereign to your own unbelief or
disbelief as the belief (accompanying ritual practice) may be such as
Roman Catholicism. It is capable of being interpreted, transmitted and
made effectual in every nation who’s tongue as language the Bible has
been interpreted.

You ought to then know, that this amended paradigm of the noumenal /
temporal reality is related to my Intellectual Property associated with
Cognition, Consciousness, Soul and Mind of Eternity known as Grapple #369.

If one node is correct--the whole mind of God is!

#18 / .jackNote@zen: 4, row: 8, col: 8, nous: 14 [Super: #404 / #60 -
Skill Rulership, Maintain One's Place; I-Ching: H15 - Modesty; Tetra: 5
- Keeping Small, Ego: #359 / #14 - Praising the Mysterious
(Metaphysics); I-Ching: H19 - Approaching; Tetra: 9 - Branching Out]
{Form of Nature}

I had previously discussed with the property manager to the Real Estate
Agent (formerly Hayek) some aspects of my informal interest over the
initial formation of governance and the phenomenal integrity of isolated
transactional issues of Real Estate Sales and Leasing Agreements being a
source for information pragmatics as tectonics of knowledge, for their
capacity to meet risk, opportunity and security of the Commonwealth’s
Interests.

Whereas, today we would see those tectonics of knowledge in relation to
what is foundational to our modern autonomic, independent and sovereign
governance of the Commonwealth of Australia as a Republic by the
designation as the circumscribing of it by states or domains of
governance which are associated directly to individual strata, phases or
cognitive planes to the Grapple temporal / noumenal paradigm as
collective cognitive reality and consciousness:

vBronze: Queensland (QLD)
vPurple: New South Wales (NSW)
vRed: Victoria (VIC)
vBlue: Tasmania (TAS)
vOrange: Northern Territory (NT)
vGreen: South Australia (SA)
vYellow: Western Australia (WA)
vCyan: Australian Capital Territory (ACT)
vCoral: Commonwealth of Australia (CofA)

In this regard, there were historically only six colonies as the
collective states associated with the Monarchy making of the “Letters
Patent” as a contract for their organisation into the Commonwealth of
Australia. By bringing it into being, in having formed (and mapped) it
essentially from those colonies as nomarchy. And with respect to that
opinion, I draw upon a report: “GOOD DESIGN AND THE CONCEPTION/NOTION OF
PARKING AGREEMENT IN A PRIVATE STREET WITHIN AN AREA TO WHICH APPLIES A
HISTORIC OVERLAY”, prepared on 16 May 2000 in response to a Notice of an
Application TP00/55 for a Planning Permit:

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/sacredspace1.png
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/sacredspace2.png

- What is Rufus Cy-Borg upto?

[dolf]

#19 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 2, col: 9, nous: 66 [Super: #325 / #75 -
Destructive Envy, Harmed Through Greed; I-Ching: H52 - Inaction; Tetra:
72 - Hardness, Ego: #408 / #66 - Strategic Reversal, Putting Oneself
Behind; I-Ching: H41 - Decrease; Tetra: 55 - Diminishment] {Engendering
Nature}

Before I address those talebearing and troublesome issues above relating

to the provision of a parking space in a private street known as Saint
Andrews Street, North Melbourne (Victoria). Of which there will be
disclosed matters of “partiality and misdirected use of powers as

stumbling-blocks associated with blindness and injustice in judgment”

and of our capacity to bring a righteous judgement against our Roman
Catholic and Italian immigrant market gardener who (by a shared common
brick wall opposite) operated his business as neighbour in an adjoining
Gardener Street, North Melbourne and not to bear a grievous sin, as a

grudge and vengeful consequence of their determined, forceful, hostile

[fasgnadh]

Waldo Tunnel begs for mercy in the face of the evidence:

> On 25/02/2012 11:41 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>
>> > there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>> ...
>>
>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>> of course:
>>>
>>> Alex W.
>>>

>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"

>>>
>>> DanielSan
>>
>> # From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800
>> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>
>> #
>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> #
>> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>> # >
>> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>> #
>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>>

>> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D

>>
>>> John Baker
>>
>>
>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>> # I've been giving it quite a
>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>> #
>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>> #
>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>> @
>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>> #
>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>
>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>

>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> Sulfate
>>>
>>> Jim Burns
>>>
>>> Olrik
>>
>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>
>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> #
>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>> # then I claim you're a muslim.

Atheists always snip and run from the evidence, pretending there
was none. I have put it back to show why Waldo is begging for
mercy... want more evidence of atheist lies and slander?

>
> Oh please.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:

alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:

alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still refuses to
admit it.


# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# On 31 Mrz., 22:54, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
#
# It'd be the right thing to do.


One atheist tried to warn Olrik the Unworthy
that he was making a fool of himself, but he's too
foolish to listen:

# From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
# Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
# Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
# Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
#
# > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
#
# Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
# to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
# peoples buttons.

Olriks button requires hardly any effort:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9tsuLU0jfPU/S_vwUo7hMeI/AAAAAAAAAEY/RonfSYNOVbw/s1600/easy-button.jpg

>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...
>

> Wow. If that's true, "god" _must_ exist!


Thank you for demonstrating my point with that
irrational outburst, inappropriate and irrelevant to
the topic.

> Idiot.

Thank you for demonstrating my point with that
irrational outburst, inappropriate and irrelevant to
the topic, and being so frank about your status, Idiot.

>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own
>>> candidates
>>
>> St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"
>>
>> His Acolyte, Bukakke:
>>

>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>
>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:
>>

>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>> #
>> # Budikka
>>
>>

>> Warlord Fluffy:

>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>>

>> Chris Lee:
>>
>>
>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>>
>>

>>> Thanks!
>>
>> You're welcome, people need to be warned, as they look just like
>> real people.

[Uirgil]

In article <V4vkr.6030$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> Atheists always snip and run from the evidence

Actually, fasgnadh is again claiming that others are the ones committing
his own favorite sin.

If one looks at fasgnadh's posts, almost always excessively long ones,
one will notice how few lies are quotes that he is replying to and how
many lines are his own words from prior posts or more often from
packages of piss poor boilerplate that he appends to almost every post.

And then he posts his shit filled nonsense to up to a dozen NGs.

[dolf]

And on the 23 May, 2012 those documents on CD ROM were delivered as
claim of religious identity and human rights under the Australian
Commonwealth made against the American originating Jehovah's Witnesses
as a consequence of impunity in the street.

That makes two American originating religious denominations:

Jehovah's Witnesses
Seventh-day Adventist

Who have been denied any right to eternity

And I'm just waiting to see how Mitt Romney (the US Presidential
candidate) handles himself before adding the 3rd.

They are the product of a perverse American society and culture which
has erred in its claimed religious belief--And no more grace is
available to them.

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you all!

On 26/05/12 12:31 AM, Eunometic wrote:
- hide quoted text -
> On May 25, 7:00 pm, dolf<dolfb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 11 March 2012
>>
>> Dear Steve Jobs,
>>
>
>
> Dolf, you mentaly ill turkey.
>
> Buy a iPhone cover, maybe you've noticed them in the shops, they are
> not rare, and get a screen protector like anyone sane.
>
> Done blame your own lack of prudence and laziness on someone else.
>
> Grow some responsibillity and some balls.

#20 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):


Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif

#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (Uer...@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

#21 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}

After conveying my attempts to preserve the dignity of the British
Monarchy so that she would have no loss in relation to being defender of
the faith and yet is incapable of claiming Christian identity.

And deflecting any impunity from her over a lack of differentiation from
fascist conduct, so as to avoid the claim that her Crown and Monarchy
were not worth dying for.

Don't ever forget that Australians have, to this very day excluded me
from participation in any ANZAC identity and you need to do something to
remedy that given my contribution to victory in which you also have no
participation.

Your predictable and habitual failure to take any action of integrity to
preserve my dignity, has now bereft you of any opportunity of
advancement associated with ANZAC identity and idealism. As a total loss
of merit and I will never forgive you for that.

And that exclusion of non-participation is shaped by two events--A lack
of resolution and truth over a matter with the Victoria Police as the
requirement for the disclosure of a Shrine Guard's identity who many
years ago made false homophobic statements which terminated my role and
privilege that I enjoyed in my consultations with the Chief Commissioner
Mick Miller and had an adverse effect upon my career.

So it was that God gave me his cunning millennium plan for a retribution
against them and this is the result 13 years hence. But it began on
Saturday 21 August 1999, when I conducted my protestation of walking
naked in the street. It was a contempt against them, as an unambiguous
act of defilement upon the capacity for the three Chief Commissioners
since: Mick Miller, Kal Glare and Neil Comrie, to make any claim of
virtue as fidelity in their service to the Crown.

I had bestowed upon them, by such act, a promise of an excoriating
reality as their absolute rejection, both in the here and now of the
temporal reality and for all eternity.

My exclusion of participation in ANZAC identity was made irrevocable by
the endless scorn that was perpetuated against me in the manner of
conduct by the Victoria Police. But rendered most perverse by the
consequential effect, as the determined failure by the news media (and
they are guilty of crime) to fairly and without prejudice, report the
events of my protesting the perversity of Private Jake Kovco's conduct.
Which as you will recall, were accompanied by Divine Acts of Providence,
that turned my disadvantage into an opportunity to do good.

It cost me everything and it will now cost you. They never did make an
apology and it is now impossible because they don’t retain sufficient
integral quality by which they can bestow any such virtue--God will not
pity them either.

You would think Australians as loyal subjects would learn from the
lessons of history and the magnitude of those tragedies--and that they
would show a modicum of respect and not engage in any conduct which may
be viewed as a racial sexualism. Whilst the publishing of my www-page is
a courtesy which some have sought to censor and silence. I’m not
responsible for any accountability in overcoming your ignorance--you are!

But no they can't hold their tongues.

#22 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 6, col: 5, nous: 77 [Super: #340 / #17 -
Politics; I-Ching: H54 - Marriageable Maiden; Tetra: 65 - Inner, Ego:
#288 / #77 - Natural Guide, Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation;
Tetra: 57 - Guardedness] {Totality of Nature {DOUBLE: Engendering Nature
{Totality of Nature}}}

[dolf]

Well hello hello, I knew there had to be some politically sodden
component to your clandestine activity.

On 27/09/12 4:42 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> "We must combat religion"
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>

Its already too late for you.

Its coming and can't be stopped...

The Death penalty it is going to be for your treason.

I will stain the Law Society of Victoria with the blood of Jesus for
Eternity.

I DREAM A DREAM: A LAND FREE OF IRISH CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND NUNS WHO SHOW
TREASON TO THE COMMONWEALTH

YOUR MIND IS TOO SMALL AND YOUR OPINION TOO LARGE FOR THIS GROUP

WE WANT SPEEDY JUSTICE AS A BULLET TO THE HEAD TO EVERY PEDOPHILE
PRIEST, THEIR BODIES BURNED AND THEIR WASTE DISCARDED THE SAME DAY.

EVERY PEDOPHILE ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST CAN BE RETRIED AND A JUDGEMENT
SOUGHT FOR TREASON BECAUSE OF NOTION OF THE BEGOTTEN SON (ie. Sovereign
Autonomy) IS IMPLICIT WITHIN THE TERNARY NUMBER PARADIGM OF 2 BCE.

"The way begets one;
One begets two;
Two begets three;
Three begets the myriad creatures.

REMEMBER THE SABBATH (CHILD)
+ 1, 2, 3 {ie. Formula of Progression of individual phenomena (Wan Wu)}

HONOR PARENTS (MOTHER IMAGE)
+ 0, 3, 6 {ie. Self identity - Formula of Autonomy}

AVOID MURDER (FATHER IMAGE)
+ 0, 9, 18 {ie. System's Cosmology as Earth - Formula of Humanity}

AVOID HETERONOMY AGAINST AUTONOMY (MARRIAGE OF PARENTS)
+ 0, 27, 54 {ie. Realm of its Nature as Heaven - Formula of Universal Law}

= Tetragrammation hierarchy value as NUMBER.

DO NOT STEAL (PREVIOUS CHILDREN OF RELATIONSHIP)
+ 0, 81, 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 {ie. Organisation of the myriad or number of
things -- Discriminating Norm (Human Nature) as Objective grounding of
infinity}

(INFORMANT OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE): The myriad creatures {ie. Understood
in Kabbalistic terms (cf: Kabbalah Congress 30 May to 2 June 2008) may
be inclusive of human beings expressed in sexist (male/female) terms,
separated and as beasts} carry on their backs the yin and embrace in
their arms the yang and are the blending of the generative forces of the
two.

There are no words which men detest more than 'solitary', 'desolate',
and 'hapless', yet lords and princes use these to refer to themselves.

Thus a thing is sometimes added to by being diminished and diminished by
being added to.

What others teach I also teach. 'The violent shall not come to a natural
end.'

I shall take this as my precept {ie. the Binding Norm (Norma Obligans),
as Subjective grounding of infinity}." [DAO TE CHING #42 - GENERATION OF
THE DAO]

Note the relationship between the 10 commandments, marriage and birth
certificates.

There is no way you can claim a christian identity by marriage
virtue--its a lie and you will die an everlasting death.

You deserve that...

... its an act of cruelty by the New South Wales Police Service to
subject a person to such distress that they have to leave the State for
their own safety.

And then have to take 6 months to write up the complaint just so they
show more contempt than hell: "Stop being afraid of those who kill the
body but can’t kill the soul. Instead, be afraid of the one who can
destroy both body and soul in hell." [Matthew 10:28]

A death of soul is coming for you.

I'm looking for either a public explanation from the NSW Police Chief
Commissioner or his resignation over this matter.

I HEARD CARDINAL PELL'S VOICE ON TV AGAIN--I THOUGHT HE WAS SUBJECT TO
MEDIA CENSORSHIP BECAUSE OF HIS ABUSES AS TREASON against the peace and
prosperity of the sovereign autonomy and independence of the
Commonwealth of Australia

NO YOU FASCIST IRISH DOG THIS IS NOT YOUR PROMISED LAND

YOU ARE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR INTERNET STATEMENTS OF THE
LAST 10+ YEARS.

I HOPE YOU HAVEN'T BRED AS YOU'LL SOON LOSE THEM.

THAT FASCIST WHORE OF THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY COMMISSIONER DIANNE SISLEY
IS GOING TO LEARN A THING OR TWO ABOUT SACRED SPACES AND
AUS.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN IS GOING TO BE FREE FROM ATHEIST CATHOLIC OFF
SCOURING SUCH AS BARRY OGRADY WHICH OR WHO HAS NO RESPECT FOR THE
SOVEREIGN AUTONOMY AS THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.

I WILL NOT RESPECT SUCH IRISH IN THIS DUTCH-ABORIGINAL COUNTRY OF OURS.

Peter Bowditch (Anomalous Atheist #2243) of the Australian Skeptics /
The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]: "Nice meltdown there,
Dolt."

dolf: "Ever heard of NEW HOLLAND.

Every dance hall society has it's Mr. Barry Fife and every skeptic
society its Mr. Peter Bowditch.

You Fascist Australian piece of skeptical shit Peter Bowditch, I'm in
the process of getting a court order to silence you forever.

It is war!"

I want Dianne Sisley as the former Chief Executive Officer to the Human
Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission arrested for treason against the
peace and prosperity of the sovereign autonomy and independence of the
Commonwealth of Australia.

By formulation of my argumentation engineered using a specific dialectic
progression as thematic sequence obtained from my mathematical based
Intellectual Property as technology known as the Grapple homoiotic
temporal / noumenal reality, I have sought to lay out a framework for
use of force (#237) as a memetic natural process of order & change as
governance and the authority to advance a change to the Letters Patent
of the Australian Commonwealth of 1901. In so defining a ternary
definition of marriage as “between two parties as consorts irrespective
of gender” and the notion of “sovereign autonomy” independently of
persons by the Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal reality, I fulfill
an essential evidential point of proof with respects to [any] claims of
Treason made against the peace and prosperity of the sovereign autonomy
and independence of the Commonwealth of Australia.

That parties against whom legal claims are made, ought to be advised of
a claim to such lawful authority which can forcibly compel persons to
answer questions about their activities as involvement in those claims.
And that in addition to the legislative penalties applied there are
considerations of pillory, cat-o-nine tails, removal of a procreational
right and the death penalty by military execution.

If that furious behaviour escalates to a vital point where I consider it
to be less than healthily robust and is then as a domestic disputation,
entirely disruptive of the peace within my residential area as my
obligations for single occupancy as quietude under the Tenancy
Agreement. As an adverse and disagreeable argumentative conduct which is
then manifestly disrespectful to such a flagrant degree, that it might
be considered a brutalisation and breach of the law requiring police
attendance and intervention. I’ve sought to have those persons
voluntarily leave the abode where in is my presence of being as their
chastisement and punishment for such iniquity. In every instance, they
have done so without recourse to violence and consequently there has
been no need for police attendance.

Accordingly, there has not ever been a breach of the peace within my
rental premises and any failure of my peaceable obligations as single
occupancy as quietude under the Tenancy Agreement".

12.7 Under Section 54, as a term of every residential tenancy
agreement, the liability of the tenant for the actions or omissions of
others extends to those "lawfully on the residential premises, with a
right of entry even without the tenant's consent". Namely under
subsection 1 to 2:

"(1) A tenant is vicariously responsible to the landlord for any act or
omission by any other person who is lawfully on the residential premises
(other than a person who has a right of entry without the tenant’s
consent) that would have been a breach of the residential tenancy
agreement if it had been an act or omission by the tenant.

(2) This section is a term of every residential tenancy agreement."

12.8 However, in this instance, these matters involve damages
allegedly sustained as the result of an unreasonable use of force
associated to an improper as perversely unaccountable, obstructionist
conduct, which is without any substantial claim to legislative authority.

Nous: #17
Time:
Date:
Torah: #10 #10 #7 %81 = #27
Dao: Politics
Tetra: #65 - Inner

I-Ching: H54 - Marriageable Maiden

Latin: Advocatus {God who rejoices} Alt: Haqamyah {The Standing Corn of
God} {
1. HELPS RELEASE PRISONERS & RELEASES FROM ENEMIES
2. INTUITION FOR ART & SCIENCE, PRESS & BOOKS
3. ARTISTS
4. Arterchinis
27 August 2003 Mars at opposition with Earth & Sun, closest for approx
60,000 years}
Uzziah {The strength, or kid, of the Lord}

[dolf]

Well hello hello, I knew there had to be some politically sodden
component to your clandestine activity.

Racial, Sexual and Religious vilification--mark this man fasgnadh for
elimination from the Commonwealth

[Fred Hall]

On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:54:06 +1000, dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote
in <z0bKr.186$qv3...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>:

>Racial, Sexual and Religious vilification--mark this man fasgnadh for
>elimination from the Commonwealth

For once I agree with you, Dolf.
--

http://www.smbtech.com/ras/
http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/2012/03/ras-mikaere-eunuch-enoch-michael.html

[dolf]

On 8/07/12 11:38 PM, Fred Hall wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:54:06 +1000, dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote
> in <z0bKr.186$qv3...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>:
>
>> Racial, Sexual and Religious vilification--mark this man fasgnadh for
>> elimination from the Commonwealth
>
> For once I agree with you, Dolf.
>

Well thank-you Fred.

And I thought that threading it like a needle (in the here and now) with
a diatribe mapped to the dialectic sequences necessary for genesis and
final redemption by sanctification.

Gave it both a sense of immediacy and an ethereal quality of eternity.

Here now always being!

[dolf]

fasgnadh knows what a terrible indictment the Information Technology
situation is within Victoria Police.

And the the claim defamation and slander as racial, sexual and religious
which is going to be brought the Victoria Police relates to:

a) HIV / AIDS and homosexual vilification by them as denial of it as
workplace event in relation to defining without ambiguity the meaning of
"total and permanent disability" in relation to superannuation and
salary continuance entitlements.
b) Ethernet v's Token Ring (Artificial Intelligence v's NATURAL 4GL) and
defamatory professional misconduct over Information Technology
c) The Shrine Guard Affair as claim of ANZAC Memorial slander made
against the Chief Commissioners Nick Miller and Kal Glare
d) Internal Corruption reported by Gerard Hughes (The AGE) over
successive years being related to the informant in those security
breaches being a gay man named IAN and this was the single cause of
racial, sexual and religious vilification by the Victoria Police
direction to me which has not ceased to this day.
e) Being assaulted by Victoria Police and denied justice in relation
ANZAC Day vilification by POLICE AND THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND HUMAN
RIGHTS COMMISSION, SOUL COMMUNICATIONS, TELSTRA, VEDA who deny my

mathematical based Intellectual Property as technology known as the
Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal reality, I have sought to lay out
a framework for use of force (#237) as a memetic natural process of
order & change as governance and the authority to advance a change to
the Letters Patent of the Australian Commonwealth of 1901. In so
defining a ternary definition of marriage as “between two parties as
consorts irrespective of gender” and the notion of “sovereign autonomy”
independently of persons by the Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal
reality, I fulfill an essential evidential point of proof with respects
to [any] claims of Treason made against the peace and prosperity of the
sovereign autonomy and independence of the Commonwealth of Australia.

f) The Victoria Police have subjected me to a disparity of service over
my legal claim against AXA Group Insurance and an equivalent employment
claim amounting to over $10 million (as the last record payment of
damages paid by the Victoria Police in the Tasty Night Club Affair) will
be made against the Victoria Police.

That parties against whom legal claims are made, ought to be advised of
a claim to such lawful authority which can forcibly compel persons to
answer questions about their activities as involvement in those claims.
And that in addition to the legislative penalties applied there are
considerations of pillory, cat-o-nine tails, removal of a procreational
right and the death penalty by military execution.

On 8/07/12 11:38 PM, Fred Hall wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:54:06 +1000, dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote
> in <z0bKr.186$qv3...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>:
>
>> Racial, Sexual and Religious vilification--mark this man fasgnadh for
>> elimination from the Commonwealth
>
> For once I agree with you, Dolf.
>

[dolf]

fasgnadh knows what a terrible indictment the Information Technology
situation is within Victoria Police.

And the claimed defamation and slander as racial, sexual and religious
which is going to be brought against the Victoria Police relates to:

a) HIV / AIDS and homosexual vilification by them as denial of it as
workplace event in relation to defining without ambiguity the meaning of
"total and permanent disability" in relation to superannuation and
salary continuance entitlements.
b) Ethernet v's Token Ring (Artificial Intelligence v's NATURAL 4GL) and
defamatory professional misconduct over Information Technology
c) The Shrine Guard Affair as claim of ANZAC Memorial slander made
against the Chief Commissioners Nick Miller and Kal Glare
d) Internal Corruption reported by Gerard Hughes (The AGE) over
successive years being related to the informant in those security
breaches being a gay man named IAN and this was the single cause of
racial, sexual and religious vilification by the Victoria Police
direction to me which has not ceased to this day.
e) Being assaulted by Victoria Police and denied justice in relation
ANZAC Day vilification by POLICE AND THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND HUMAN

RIGHTS COMMISSION, SOUL COMMUNICATIONS, TELSTRA, VEDA who deny my

mathematical based Intellectual Property as technology known as the
Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal reality, I have sought to lay out
a framework for use of force (#237) as a memetic natural process of
order & change as governance and the authority to advance a change to
the Letters Patent of the Australian Commonwealth of 1901. In so
defining a ternary definition of marriage as “between two parties as
consorts irrespective of gender” and the notion of “sovereign autonomy”
independently of persons by the Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal
reality, I fulfill an essential evidential point of proof with respects
to [any] claims of Treason made against the peace and prosperity of the
sovereign autonomy and independence of the Commonwealth of Australia.

f) The Victoria Police have subjected me to a disparity of service over
my legal claim against AXA Group Insurance and an equivalent employment
claim amounting to over $10 million (as the last record payment of
damages paid by the Victoria Police in the Tasty Night Club Affair) will
be made against the Victoria Police.

That parties against whom legal claims are made, ought to be advised of
a claim to such lawful authority which can forcibly compel persons to
answer questions about their activities as involvement in those claims.
And that in addition to the legislative penalties applied there are
considerations of pillory, cat-o-nine tails, removal of a procreational
right and the death penalty by military execution.

On 8/07/12 11:38 PM, Fred Hall wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:54:06 +1000, dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote
> in <z0bKr.186$qv3...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>:
>
>> Racial, Sexual and Religious vilification--mark this man fasgnadh for
>> elimination from the Commonwealth
>
> For once I agree with you, Dolf.
>

[dolf]

#15 @ Zen: 9, Row: 5, Col: 2, Nous: 65, Time: (none), Date: (none)

15.0 Fasgnadh (an anonymous internet persona as a claimed former
employee as quoted 8 July 2012) knows what a terrible indictment the
Information Technology situation is within Victoria Police:

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism." -Vladimir
Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion" -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Down with religion and long live atheism; the dissemination of atheist
views is our chief task!" - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." - Vladimir
Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

15.1 And the claimed defamation and slander as racial, sexual and
religious vilification which is going to be brought against the Victoria
Police relates to:

HIV / AIDS and homosexual vilification by them as a denial of it as

workplace event in relation to defining without ambiguity the meaning of
"total and permanent disability" in relation to superannuation and

salary continuance entitlements;

Ethernet v's Token Ring (Artificial Intelligence GURU v's NATURAL 4GL
and the semantics of moving the State to the client) as the defamatory
professional misconduct over Information Technology;

The Shrine Guard Affair as claim of ANZAC Memorial slander made against

the Chief Commissioners Nick Miller and Kal Glare;

Internal Corruption reported by Gerard Hughes (The AGE) over successive
years being related to the informant in those security breaches being a

gay man named IAN and this was the single source and cause of the
furtherance of an unreliquishing culture of racial, sexual and religious
vilification by the Victoria Police directed towards me and as which has

not ceased to this day.

Being assaulted by the Victoria Police and denied justice in relation
ANZAC Day vilification by INTERNET PERSONAS (THEO BEKKERS; ANATHANIUS),
POLICE, NSW ANTI-DISCRIMINATION BOARD, THE VICTORIAN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY

AND HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, SOUL COMMUNICATIONS, TELSTRA, VEDA who deny

my mathematical based Intellectual Property as technology known as the
Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal reality, I have sought to lay out
a framework for use of force (#237) as a memetic natural process of
order & change as governance and the authority to advance a change to
the Letters Patent of the Australian Commonwealth of 1901. In so

defining a ternary definition of marriage as �between two parties as
consorts irrespective of gender� and the notion of �sovereign autonomy�

independently of persons by the Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal
reality, I fulfill an essential evidential point of proof with respects
to any claims of Treason made against the peace and prosperity of the
sovereign autonomy and independence of the Commonwealth of Australia.

The Victoria Police have subjected me to a disparity of service over my
legal claim against AXA Group Insurance and an equivalent employment
claim amounting to over $10 million (as the last record payment of
damages paid by the Victoria Police in the Tasty Night Club Affair) will
be made against the Victoria Police.

15.2 That parties against whom legal claims are made, ought to be

advised of a claim to such lawful authority which can forcibly compel
persons to answer questions about their activities as involvement in
those claims. And that in addition to the legislative penalties applied
there are considerations of pillory, cat-o-nine tails, removal of a
procreational right and the death penalty by military execution.

Nous: #65
Time:
Date:
Torah: #8 #70 #40 %81 = #37
Dao: Unlearned Virtuosity as Simplicity
Tetra: #63 - Watch
I-Ching: H20 - Contemplation

Latin: Sublevator {God, the hope of all the children of the earth} Alt:
Mabhel {Emptiness of Things Before God} {
1. PROTECTS AGAINST LIGHTNING & INFERNAL SPIRITS OF RELIGIOUS CULTS
2. CREED
3. INFLUENCES & PROTECTS THOSE WHO SEEK THE TRUTH
4. Serucuth
}
Jehoshaphat {The Lord is judge}

On 8/07/12 11:38 PM, Fred Hall wrote:

[dolf]

#15 @ Zen: 9, Row: 5, Col: 2, Nous: 65, Time: (none), Date: (none)

15.0 Fasgnadh (an anonymous internet persona as a claimed former
employee as quoted 8 July 2012) knows what a terrible indictment the
Information Technology situation is within Victoria Police:

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism." -Vladimir
Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion" -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Down with religion and long live atheism; the dissemination of atheist
views is our chief task!" - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." - Vladimir
Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

15.1 And the claimed defamation and slander as racial, sexual and
religious vilification which is going to be brought against the Victoria
Police relates to:

HIV / AIDS and homosexual vilification by them as a denial of it as
workplace event in relation to defining without ambiguity the meaning of
"total and permanent disability" in relation to superannuation and
salary continuance entitlements;

Ethernet v's Token Ring (Artificial Intelligence GURU v's NATURAL 4GL
and the semantics of moving the State to the client) as the defamatory
professional misconduct over Information Technology;

The Shrine Guard Affair as claim of ANZAC Memorial slander made against
the Chief Commissioners Nick Miller and Kal Glare;

Internal Corruption reported by Gerard Hughes (The AGE) over successive
years being related to the informant in those security breaches being a
gay man named IAN and this was the single source and cause of the
furtherance of an unreliquishing culture of racial, sexual and religious
vilification by the Victoria Police directed towards me and as which has
not ceased to this day.

Being assaulted by the Victoria Police and denied justice in relation
ANZAC Day vilification by INTERNET PERSONAS (THEO BEKKERS; ANATHANIUS),
POLICE, NSW ANTI-DISCRIMINATION BOARD, THE VICTORIAN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
AND HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, SOUL COMMUNICATIONS, TELSTRA, VEDA who deny

my mathematical based Intellectual Property as technology known as the
Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal reality, I have sought to lay out
a framework for use of force (#237) as a memetic natural process of
order & change as governance and the authority to advance a change to
the Letters Patent of the Australian Commonwealth of 1901. In so
defining a ternary definition of marriage as “between two parties as
consorts irrespective of gender” and the notion of “sovereign autonomy”
independently of persons by the Grapple homoiotic temporal / noumenal
reality, I fulfill an essential evidential point of proof with respects
to any claims of Treason made against the peace and prosperity of the
sovereign autonomy and independence of the Commonwealth of Australia.

The Victoria Police have subjected me to a disparity of service over my
legal claim against AXA Group Insurance and an equivalent employment
claim amounting to over $10 million (as the last record payment of
damages paid by the Victoria Police in the Tasty Night Club Affair) will
be made against the Victoria Police.

15.2 That parties against whom legal claims are made, ought to be

advised of a claim to such lawful authority which can forcibly compel
persons to answer questions about their activities as involvement in
those claims. And that in addition to the legislative penalties applied
there are considerations of pillory, cat-o-nine tails, removal of a
procreational right and the death penalty by military execution.

Nous: #65
Time:
Date:
Torah: #8 #70 #40 %81 = #37
Dao: Unlearned Virtuosity as Simplicity
Tetra: #63 - Watch
I-Ching: H20 - Contemplation

Latin: Sublevator {God, the hope of all the children of the earth} Alt:
Mabhel {Emptiness of Things Before God} {
1. PROTECTS AGAINST LIGHTNING & INFERNAL SPIRITS OF RELIGIOUS CULTS
2. CREED
3. INFLUENCES & PROTECTS THOSE WHO SEEK THE TRUTH
4. Serucuth
}
Jehoshaphat {The Lord is judge}

On 8/07/12 11:38 PM, Fred Hall wrote: