Re: Atheist Apologia fails as certainly as the Atheist Staes themselves did! was Re: Jesus, was "Two 'literal translation' Bibles.."

[fasgnadh]

On 5/01/2013 6:22 AM, Immortalist wrote:
> On 3/01/2013 11:18 AM, fasgnadh wrote:> On 18/12/2012 7:27 AM, "anything.-" wrote:
>>> Speaking of the millions killed by atheist regimes as public policy in
>>> the
>>> 20th century:
>>
>> That is simply historical fact.
>
> Historical facts are just the best theories

Wrong, facts are NOT theories, you illiterate cretin, stop wasting
our time with your idiocy.

> "Atheist regime" has not been defined nor established by you in any
> nation state.

Defined, by historians, not by me, in previous posts below,
in the article "State atheism is..." on which you were unable
to make any intelligent comment or criticism! B^]

Learn to read and stop wasting everyone's time!

The reality of State atheism is already acknowledged by atheists,
..try to CATCH UP, slow boy:

# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,


>> The scientific method involves TESTING a theory.
>
> some but not all of the scientific method involves testing a
> theory.


Three strikes of inconprehensible idiocy and you're out.


"The chief characteristic which distinguishes the scientific
method from other methods of acquiring knowledge is that
scientists seek to let reality speak for itself, supporting
a theory when a theory's predictions are confirmed and
challenging a theory when its predictions prove false."

Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of
phenomena, and design experimental studies to TEST these
hypotheses via predictions which can be derived from them.
These steps must be repeatable,"

The scientific method involves TESTING a theory.

stop wasting everyone's time

>
>> EVERY atheist state in history was a catastrophic failure.
>
> We have not agreed to what an atheist nation state is.

Historians have, no one cares if clueless idiots like you
can't grasp basic concepts like 'scientific method' 'testing'
'atheist' and 'state'

stop wasting everyone's time, time for you to sign off and fuck off:

> delusional asshole.

Bye!

>> The Atheist hypothesis was falsified on every occasion it was tested.
>>
>>> "There is no comparison, no matter how many lying theists try to make
>>> one.
>>
>> Of course there is no comparison, atheist states ONLY produced tyranny.
>>
>> Theist societies produced great and lasting civilisations, most of human
>> progress has occurred in majority religious societies for the entire
>> span of human history, and the most free, open, tolerant, progressive,
>> technologically advanced secular democries have all been built by
>> majority religious societies!!
>>
>> When religious societies have committed injustices, usually in primitive
>> societies where barbarism was slow to overcome, it eventually evolved
>> to higher forms.. and these were exceptions, atypical, outweighed by
>> the good as civilisation has extended globally, and AGAINST the explicit
>> religious teachings... ir ABBERRATIONS from the Spiritual teachings.
>>
>> EVERY atheist state was a TOTALITARIAN TYRANNY, it is a histor of TOTAL
>> EVIL and FAILURE in 100% of atheist states, and there is NOTHING
>> IN ATHEISM per se which explicitly forbids the horror, torture, terror
>> and mass murder!
>>
>>> Because all "atheist" is, is a demographic label showing what somebody
>>> isn't.
>>
>> No group is judged simply by what THEY *say* about themselves,
>> they are judged by their actions.
>>
>> Deeds not self-serving words are what matter!
>>
>> Where individuals claim to Kill "in the name of God' they are clearly
>> breaching the basic tenets of the faith they pretend to hold.
>> These crimes 'in the name of religion' clearly run counter to the
>> explicit moral principles of those faiths.
>>
>> But atheism has no moral principles forbidding such actions,
>> and there is no inhibition on the horrors carried out in EVERY
>> atheist state, to be found in atheism itself. It is amoral.
>>
>> The results are 80,000,000 people terrorised, tortured and killed in
>> the atheist regimes of the 20th century, while majority religious
>> societies were evolving free, open, modern, tolerant, progressive,
>> secular democratic states and creating Universal Human Rights.
>>
>> Both Theism and Atheism are judged by BOTH their words AND their
>> actions, and atheism dismally fails the comparison on BOTH COUNTS!
>>
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>>> It neither motivates nor justifies anything."
>> >
>> > Giggle.
>>
>> It is indeed ridiculous and laughable.
>>
>> It clearly motivated many ACTIONS, including the atheist holocausts
>> and other hate filled actions of atheists, but you are right
>> that NONE of them are JUSTIFIED!
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>>
>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
>> #
>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>> # religious freedom and practice."
>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>> # David Kowalewski,
>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>> #
>> #
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
>> #
>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>> # were often killed.
>> #
>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>> #
>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
>> #
>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>> # because of their religion."
>> #
>> http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> #
>> #
>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>> #
>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.



--


"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm


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"We must combat religion"
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�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
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"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

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[Immortalist]

On Jan 4, 4:32 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 5/01/2013 6:22 AM, Immortalist wrote:> On 3/01/2013 11:18 AM, fasgnadh wrote:> On 18/12/2012 7:27 AM, "anything.-" wrote:
> >>> Speaking of the millions killed by atheist regimes as public policy in
> >>> the
> >>> 20th century:
>
> >> That is simply historical fact.
>
>  >
>  > Historical facts are just the best theories
>
> Wrong, facts are NOT theories, you illiterate cretin, stop wasting
> our time with your idiocy.
>

In science, a theory is an explanation. Evolution is a theory, just
like gravitation. Gravity is not a law of nature but an explanation of
observations. If you drop something, it's going to fall. That's an
observation: unsupported things fall. But you explain that observation
with the theory of gravity, which is that the mass of what whatever it
is you dropped, a pencil or a pen or something, is attracted by the
mass...it's really a theory of gravity? But remember, a theory is an
explanation.

-----------------------

The word "proof" is not all that useful in physics as it is in
mathematics. There is a tremendous body of observational and
experimental evidence in support of the big bang theory which implies
that there was a beginning.

-------------------------------

(strict law of physics)

But in science, a strict law of physics is an explanation. For
instance evolution is a theory, just like gravitation or other strict
laws of physics. Gravity is not a law of nature but an explanation of
observations. If you drop something, it's going to fall. That's an
observation: unsupported things fall. But you explain that observation
with the theory of gravity, which is that the mass of what whatever it
is you dropped, a pencil or a pen or something, is attracted by the
mass...it's really a theory of gravity? But remember, a theory is an
explanation. That there is a tremendous body of observational and
experimental evidence in support of strict laws of physics
observational and experimental evidence is probable and not certain.

-------------------------------

These researchers who you refer to and claim they make some sort of
"fact" really just were involved in the process of collecting
information from their own experiences, knowledgeable sources, and
data from exploratory experiments, then they test this over and over
again, other people tested it, but it doesn't magically become a fact
because so many people experiments with the idea of thermodynamics.
Facts are some basic language laymen who know little, or experts
trying to communicate with imbeciles who need such inaccurate
language.

>  > "Atheist regime" has not been defined nor established by you in any
>  > nation state.
>
> Defined, by historians, not by me, in previous posts below,
> in the article "State atheism is..."  on which you were unable
> to make any intelligent comment or criticism!  B^]
>

This historian disagrees with most historians then on the Theory of
Totalitarianism in political science.


A totalitarian regime is a government which controls every aspect of
the life of the people. People living under a totalitarian regime
generally also support it, sometimes almost cultishly, thanks to
extensive propaganda missions which are designed to promote a positive
view of the government. Citizens are also usually afraid to criticize
the government, so they may be outspoken supporters to avoid closer
scrutiny.

The concept of the totalitarian regime in political theory arose in
the 20th century, and although there are a few examples of such
governments which predate the 20th century, some of the most
distinctive examples, such as Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, date to
the 1900s. Communist governments such as those of China and North
Korea are also sometimes accused of being totalitarian.

Many people note that there are some distinct similarities between
totalitarian governments and authoritarian governments. The main
feature which separates these two types of governments is that a
totalitarian regime encompasses the whole of society, while an
authoritarian government is focused solely on governance. While there
may be some overlap, in order to be considered totalitarian,
government and society must be closely intertwined, as for instance in
countries where there is only one political party, and everyone
belongs to it.

Several characteristics can be seen in all totalitarian regimes. The
first is strict government control of the media, with the media
typically being used as a propaganda organ. Cultural, political, and
artistic expression among the populace is also usually severely
curtailed, as is access to outside news sources. People who criticize
the government tend to disappear in a totalitarian regime, and their
family members may fall under close scrutiny.

These governments also cultivate a sense of deep devotion to the
State, with citizens being encouraged to regard the State as being
almost like a parent. People must file applications before changing
residences, taking new jobs, or getting married. They may also be
expected to serve the state in some capacity, ranging from the
military to a labor camp, and the government has control over access
to education, reproductive freedoms, health care, and a number of
other aspects of life which many people consider personal.

Many people feel that totalitarian regimes are a very poor form of
government, because they can be quite oppressive. However, they are
also highly efficient, thanks to the extreme level of control, and
this is one reason why such regimes are capable of mounting massive
economic and military attacks on their neighbors.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-totalitarian-regime.htm

"Atheist Regime" is some jargon used when describing the Theory of
God.

> Learn to read and stop wasting everyone's time!
>

Wrong.

> The reality of State atheism is already acknowledged by atheists,
> ..try to CATCH UP, slow boy:
>

Wrong.

> # From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
> # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500

> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7g4tep9k42rdjlg...@4ax.com>
> #

> ## > raven1 wrote:
>
> # >
> # >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,
>
> >> The scientific method involves TESTING a theory.
>
>  > some but not all of the scientific method involves testing a
>  > theory.
>
> Three strikes of inconprehensible idiocy and you're out.
>

Wrong.

> "The chief characteristic which distinguishes the scientific
>   method  from other methods of acquiring knowledge is that
>   scientists seek to let reality speak for itself, supporting
>   a theory when a theory's predictions are confirmed and
>   challenging a theory when its predictions prove false."
>
>   Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of
>   phenomena, and design experimental studies to TEST these
>   hypotheses via predictions which can be derived from them.
>   These steps must be repeatable,"
>
> The scientific method involves TESTING a theory.
>
> stop wasting everyone's time
>

Tested or untested, a theory is still a theory, whats your point?

>
>
> >> EVERY atheist state in history was a catastrophic failure.
>
>  > We have not agreed to what an atheist nation state is.
>
> Historians have, no one cares if clueless idiots like you
> can't grasp basic concepts like 'scientific method' 'testing'
> 'atheist' and 'state'
>

Wrong most historians disagree with your position see Wiki paste
above.

> stop wasting everyone's time, time for you to sign off and fuck off:
>

Wrong.

>  > delusional asshole.
>
> Bye!
>

Wrong, I am not going anywhere.

</SNIP>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAwfv3HYGo