Complete List of Duel Names
David Harden
friendship, choice, reason, love, adoration, conviction, and self. We
also learn that the last one is revolution. But what about the duels
in between those? I saw a site that said one of them was called
jealousy and another was called attache but I don't know how they got
that info (if they didn't make it up). Does anyone know where all the
named duels' names are? Help would be greatly appreciated.
---- David
Scortia
this was brought up a while back... there are no official names... I
know back then we all were playing around with what they would be... so
*shrug*
--
-Scortia
Death Quaker
I actually posted a very similar question a long time ago; here's the
Google search string:
Unfortunately I never got an answer.
If you don't feel like copying the ridiculously long URL, the "names"
of the Black Rose duels are in some art (from one of the Japanese
artbooks, I believe), which featured drawings of the Black Rose
Duellists and a French word next to them. These are the ones I
remember:
Kanae: Alienation
Kozue: Attache
Shiori: Jalousie
Tsuwabuki: Impatiens
Wakaba: Limite (Limited/Limitation)
I'm certain Keiko and Mikage also had "duel names" but I don't
remember them off hand.
I've never seen duel names for the Akio Car arc duels. (Although I did
see on a Jury fan site that her second duel was called "Faith" (which
would be "Foi" in French) but I've never seen a source for that)
Sorry can't be more help.
=====
Death Quaker!
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sephigirl
That the named duels applied only to the "chosen" duellists, as well
as to Akio. Or that they fell under one moniker.
*shrugs* It would be nice to know if the other duels did have
assigned names. Maybe they're listed in the manga?
~Katherine
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~Mikage's Prince
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seph...@yahoo.com (sephigirl) writes:
>rodd...@mit.edu (David Harden) wrote in message
>news:<a0d492b9.04030...@posting.google.com>...
>> In Episode 13, we learn that the duels have names. The first seven are
>> friendship, choice, reason, love, adoration, conviction, and self. We
>> also learn that the last one is revolution. But what about the duels
>> in between those? I saw a site that said one of them was called
>> jealousy and another was called attache but I don't know how they got
>> that info (if they didn't make it up). Does anyone know where all the
>> named duels' names are? Help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>I always assumed the Black Rose duels were simply that - the BR duels.
> That the named duels applied only to the "chosen" duellists, as well
>as to Akio. Or that they fell under one moniker.
>
>*shrugs* It would be nice to know if the other duels did have
>assigned names. Maybe they're listed in the manga?
AFAIK, they never list the names of the duels in the manga. At all. 8(
Mark. 8)
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>
> rodd...@mit.edu (David Harden) wrote in message news:<a0d492b9.04030...@posting.google.com>...
> > In Episode 13, we learn that the duels have names. The first seven are
> > friendship, choice, reason, love, adoration, conviction, and self. We
> > also learn that the last one is revolution. But what about the duels
> > in between those? I saw a site that said one of them was called
> > jealousy and another was called attache but I don't know how they got
> > that info (if they didn't make it up). Does anyone know where all the
> > named duels' names are? Help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> I always assumed the Black Rose duels were simply that - the BR duels.
> That the named duels applied only to the "chosen" duellists, as well
> as to Akio. Or that they fell under one moniker.
>
> *shrugs* It would be nice to know if the other duels did have
> assigned names. Maybe they're listed in the manga?
>
This would be extremely difficult, as most of the duels of the series
aren't even in the manga.
Hey, I've missed seeing your posts here. Welcome back.
Laurie
-- Saionji's Prince and Keeper
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E. Liddell
wrote:
>If you don't feel like copying the ridiculously long URL, the "names"
>of the Black Rose duels are in some art (from one of the Japanese
>artbooks, I believe), which featured drawings of the Black Rose
>Duellists and a French word next to them.
Personally, I don't think there's any evidence pointing at those
necessarily being duel names--I've seen scans of at least two
different artbooks that associate various French words with the
Seitoukai, often without any explanation whatsoever. (Interestingly,
neither of them uses "Foi" for Juri . . .)
>These are the ones I
>remember:
>
>Kanae: Alienation
>Kozue: Attache
("Attached" if there's an acute accent on the final e--otherwise,
it's the imperative form of "to attach".)
>Shiori: Jalousie
("Jealousy")
>Tsuwabuki: Impatiens
Misspelled--should be "Impatience" (well, unless they mean the flower)
>Wakaba: Limite (Limited/Limitation)
I assume that also has an acute accent on the final e
(without it, it would translate simply as "limit").
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Death Quaker
> On 4 Mar 2004 09:03:08 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> wrote:
>
> >If you don't feel like copying the ridiculously long URL, the "names"
> >of the Black Rose duels are in some art (from one of the Japanese
> >artbooks, I believe), which featured drawings of the Black Rose
> >Duellists and a French word next to them.
>
> Personally, I don't think there's any evidence pointing at those
> necessarily being duel names--I've seen scans of at least two
> different artbooks that associate various French words with the
> Seitoukai, often without any explanation whatsoever.
*nods* I agree that it's likely an association with the character than
with the duel... on the other hand, I think it's arguable that the
words given to the BR duellists do often fit well with what they were
duelling for (just as most of the actual named Student Council duels
do for the Seitokai... altho I could never figure out why Miki's duel
was called "Reason". ALthough IIRC "Raison" could also translate as
"correctness" or some such, but it still doesn't make sense).
> (Interestingly,
> neither of them uses "Foi" for Juri . . .)
The site that had "Faith" as her second duel is now down and I have no
idea where they got it from. I honestly wonder if they made it up or
got it from a fanfic.
> >These are the ones I
> >remember:
> >
> >Kanae: Alienation
> >Kozue: Attache
>
> ("Attached" if there's an acute accent on the final e--otherwise,
> it's the imperative form of "to attach".)
Yes with an accent aigu. I have no way of posting those on this
system. And actually, wouldn't the imperative be "attaches" or
"attachez" depending?
> >Shiori: Jalousie
>
> ("Jealousy")
> >Tsuwabuki: Impatiens
>
> Misspelled--should be "Impatience" (well, unless they mean the flower)
That's how they spelled it, IIRC. I've seen spelling errors in their
French before, however (e.g. I've seen on a Saito drawing "La Fillett
Revolutionnaire")
I suppose they could mean the flower, tho. ^^
(Although, I've always wondered why they made it "Fillette" instead of
simply "Fille")
> >Wakaba: Limite (Limited/Limitation)
>
> I assume that also has an acute accent on the final e
Yes.
> (without it, it would translate simply as "limit").
Which would also work fine, actually. I added "limitation" simply to
turn it into a noun, as they tended to flip-flop between verb and noun
forms (same with attache--again, you'll have to pretend the accent is
there).
E. Liddell
wrote:
>elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<4048bbe...@news.storm.ca>...
>> On 4 Mar 2004 09:03:08 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >If you don't feel like copying the ridiculously long URL, the "names"
>> >of the Black Rose duels are in some art (from one of the Japanese
>> >artbooks, I believe), which featured drawings of the Black Rose
>> >Duellists and a French word next to them.
>>
>> Personally, I don't think there's any evidence pointing at those
>> necessarily being duel names--I've seen scans of at least two
>> different artbooks that associate various French words with the
>> Seitoukai, often without any explanation whatsoever.
>
>*nods* I agree that it's likely an association with the character than
>with the duel... on the other hand, I think it's arguable that the
>words given to the BR duellists do often fit well with what they were
>duelling for (just as most of the actual named Student Council duels
>do for the Seitokai... altho I could never figure out why Miki's duel
>was called "Reason". ALthough IIRC "Raison" could also translate as
>"correctness" or some such, but it still doesn't make sense).
<Grimace> Miki's duel does break the pattern, yes. (The best
I could come up with when I was talking about this with someone
else a year or two back is that "Raison" is a sort of thumbnail
description of Miki's apparent character, although that doesn't
coerce it back into the pattern.)
[snip]
>> >Kozue: Attache
>>
>> ("Attached" if there's an acute accent on the final e--otherwise,
>> it's the imperative form of "to attach".)
>
>Yes with an accent aigu. I have no way of posting those on this
>system. And actually, wouldn't the imperative be "attaches" or
>"attachez" depending?
You're . . . right. #-_-# (<--very embarassed smiley.)
[snip]
>(Although, I've always wondered why they made it "Fillette" instead of
>simply "Fille")
To make sure that no one else could spell it either? ;)
>> >Wakaba: Limite (Limited/Limitation)
>>
>> I assume that also has an acute accent on the final e
>
>Yes.
>
>> (without it, it would translate simply as "limit").
>
>Which would also work fine, actually. I added "limitation" simply to
>turn it into a noun, as they tended to flip-flop between verb and noun
>forms (same with attache--again, you'll have to pretend the accent is
>there).
The flip-flopping by itself makes me think that these are most
likely not authentic duel names--all the ones from the first arc
are nouns. (Mind you, coming up with enough French nouns
that fit the duels isn't easy either, as I discovered a while back
while I was messing around with the idea, which may be why the
remaining duels are never named in the series . . .)
sephigirl
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> sephigirl wrote:
> >
> > rodd...@mit.edu (David Harden) wrote in message
news:<a0d492b9.04030...@posting.google.com>...
> > > In Episode 13, we learn that the duels have names. The first seven are
> > > friendship, choice, reason, love, adoration, conviction, and self. We
> > > also learn that the last one is revolution. But what about the duels
> > > in between those? I saw a site that said one of them was called
> > > jealousy and another was called attache but I don't know how they got
> > > that info (if they didn't make it up). Does anyone know where all the
> > > named duels' names are? Help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > I always assumed the Black Rose duels were simply that - the BR duels.
> > That the named duels applied only to the "chosen" duellists, as well
> > as to Akio. Or that they fell under one moniker.
> >
> > *shrugs* It would be nice to know if the other duels did have
> > assigned names. Maybe they're listed in the manga?
> >
>
> This would be extremely difficult, as most of the duels of the series
> aren't even in the manga.
That's true. Duh me. And my precious Mikage is nothing more than a side
story. *huggles Mikage*
Mikage: Snookums . . . later.
>
> Hey, I've missed seeing your posts here. Welcome back.
>
Thanks. Writing, writing, writing! It's turned into a part-time unpaid job
at the moment. ^__^ Got 250 pages done on my current book as well as wrote
small parts on the next two planned. For fun, I almost finished up C. 4 of
"Price of a Prince" which ends with the shadowy entrance of our favorite
blue-forelocked boy; started up the Nemuro/Tokiko romance as told in his
POV; did a small bit on the Wakaba/Tatsuya romance and am formulating a
KozuexNanami (maybe with Miki too) lemon. ^^
Not to mention, I keep hurting myself. I swear everytime I talk w/ Jiras -
I'm telling him about yet another injury - I'm just being extra klutzy right
now. #^^# And, well, Saio would just laugh at me if he knew.
~Katherine
AFU no Touga - Keeper of his Sexuality
~Mikage's Prince
~~(also)Touga's Prince and Akio's Prince(as needed)
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This is great! *gives Katherine a big plate of Evil Fudge (TM) to
sustain her through her next flurry of writing* Besides looking forward
to reading all of this, hearing that others are producing inspires me to
produce too.
>
> Not to mention, I keep hurting myself. I swear everytime I talk w/ Jiras -
> I'm telling him about yet another injury - I'm just being extra klutzy right
> now. #^^# And, well, Saio would just laugh at me if he knew.
Er, yes. He muttered something about "doing it to herself now" and then
up and locked himself in his room so he can guffaw in peace and I can't
stop him. But you don't have to listen to him, either.
sephigirl
news:404E952B...@winternet.com...
> sephigirl wrote:
> >
> > <mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:4047C217...@winternet.com...
> > > sephigirl wrote:
> > > >
> > > Hey, I've missed seeing your posts here. Welcome back.
> > >
> > Thanks. Writing, writing, writing! It's turned into a part-time unpaid
job
> > at the moment. ^__^ Got 250 pages done on my current book as well as
wrote
> > small parts on the next two planned. For fun, I almost finished up C. 4
of
> > "Price of a Prince" which ends with the shadowy entrance of our favorite
> > blue-forelocked boy; started up the Nemuro/Tokiko romance as told in his
> > POV; did a small bit on the Wakaba/Tatsuya romance and am formulating a
> > KozuexNanami (maybe with Miki too) lemon. ^^
>
> This is great! *gives Katherine a big plate of Evil Fudge (TM) to
> sustain her through her next flurry of writing* Besides looking forward
> to reading all of this, hearing that others are producing inspires me to
> produce too.
Really? That's a neat thing. I have no life, so my mind is always busy
concocting things. If I had a life, I wouldn't be half as productive. Plus
I don't have my little furry buddy around anymore to let me know I need to
stop sitting at the desk and pay attention to him. Now.
Sometimes I feel like a writer's version of the Red Shoes - I can't stop
writing/thinking about writing. Even while I'm playing on afu tonight -
I've been going to Word and working on my book.
Of course, I've taken breaks to watch my newest HK-subs of Yugioh (featuring
one of my fave seiyuu - Hi-ka-ru!) and Shaman King (I lust for Amidamaru and
am fighting down to urge to write a fanfic). I also picked up a HK-sub of
Final Fantasy X-2 film bits but wow - chunks of it are not translated and my
knowledge of Japanese isn't very good.
>
> >
> > Not to mention, I keep hurting myself. I swear everytime I talk w/
Jiras -
> > I'm telling him about yet another injury - I'm just being extra klutzy
right
> > now. #^^# And, well, Saio would just laugh at me if he knew.
>
> Er, yes. He muttered something about "doing it to herself now" and then
> up and locked himself in his room so he can guffaw in peace and I can't
> stop him. But you don't have to listen to him, either.
>
Well, Akio was very sweet when I sprained my ankle and then dislocated my
toe.
Mikage: Oh, yes, I saw how "sweet" he was - how many hours did it take for
your hospital visit? And you came back smiling when he carried you in.
Katherine: It was the meds. And he was being a gentleman.
Mikage: How come he was smiling then?
Katherine: At least he didn't have one of those snarky smirks like your
buddy Saio.
Mikage: Now, Kyouichi is probably giving you smiles of encouragement.
After all, you have been hurting yourself a lot this past month and a half.
Of course, I've decided if Akio saw my feet, I'd cure him of his foot
fetish. ^_^
Akio: I can't . . . I just can't.
Kanae's Mother: But, you used to love to lick my arches and suck my toes.
What happened?
mi...@winternet.com
Let's not talk about how I've been having to multi-task today, first at
work and then it didn't stop when I got home. But I did learn that
online paint chats work great for brainstorming collaborative drawing
ideas.
And at work, I'll get hit with an inspiration for one of my works, and
I've learned not to trust it to memory. It goes onto scratch paper and
into my briefcase right then, so it can go home and not get lost.
>
> Of course, I've taken breaks to watch my newest HK-subs of Yugioh (featuring
> one of my fave seiyuu - Hi-ka-ru!) and Shaman King (I lust for Amidamaru and
> am fighting down to urge to write a fanfic). I also picked up a HK-sub of
> Final Fantasy X-2 film bits but wow - chunks of it are not translated and my
> knowledge of Japanese isn't very good.
> >
> > >
> > > Not to mention, I keep hurting myself. I swear everytime I talk w/
> Jiras -
> > > I'm telling him about yet another injury - I'm just being extra klutzy
> right
> > > now. #^^# And, well, Saio would just laugh at me if he knew.
> >
> > Er, yes. He muttered something about "doing it to herself now" and then
> > up and locked himself in his room so he can guffaw in peace and I can't
> > stop him. But you don't have to listen to him, either.
> >
> Well, Akio was very sweet when I sprained my ankle and then dislocated my
> toe.
> Mikage: Oh, yes, I saw how "sweet" he was - how many hours did it take for
> your hospital visit? And you came back smiling when he carried you in.
> Katherine: It was the meds. And he was being a gentleman.
> Mikage: How come he was smiling then?
> Katherine: At least he didn't have one of those snarky smirks like your
> buddy Saio.
> Mikage: Now, Kyouichi is probably giving you smiles of encouragement.
> After all, you have been hurting yourself a lot this past month and a half.
You know, this sounds like Mikage is hoping that Saionji is telling you
to hurt yourself. Some wierd version of Munchausen's By Proxy?
>
> Of course, I've decided if Akio saw my feet, I'd cure him of his foot
> fetish. ^_^
>
> Akio: I can't . . . I just can't.
> Kanae's Mother: But, you used to love to lick my arches and suck my toes.
> What happened?
>
Laurie
E. Liddell
>sephigirl wrote:
>>
>> Thanks. Writing, writing, writing! It's turned into a part-time unpaid job
>> at the moment. ^__^ Got 250 pages done on my current book as well as wrote
>> small parts on the next two planned. For fun, I almost finished up C. 4 of
>> "Price of a Prince" which ends with the shadowy entrance of our favorite
>> blue-forelocked boy; started up the Nemuro/Tokiko romance as told in his
>> POV; did a small bit on the Wakaba/Tatsuya romance and am formulating a
>> KozuexNanami (maybe with Miki too) lemon. ^^
>
>This is great! *gives Katherine a big plate of Evil Fudge (TM) to
>sustain her through her next flurry of writing* Besides looking forward
>to reading all of this, hearing that others are producing inspires me to
>produce too.
<Sigh> Excuse me while I mope around nd feel envious of both of you
--my total pages written for today amount to something like -80.
E. Liddell (also looking forward to reading Katherine's stuff)
OnsenMark
Liddell) writes:
>On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:10:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
>
>>sephigirl wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks. Writing, writing, writing! It's turned into a part-time unpaid
>job
>>> at the moment. ^__^ Got 250 pages done on my current book as well as
>wrote
>>> small parts on the next two planned. For fun, I almost finished up C. 4
>of
>>> "Price of a Prince" which ends with the shadowy entrance of our favorite
>>> blue-forelocked boy; started up the Nemuro/Tokiko romance as told in his
>>> POV; did a small bit on the Wakaba/Tatsuya romance and am formulating a
>>> KozuexNanami (maybe with Miki too) lemon. ^^
>>
>>This is great! *gives Katherine a big plate of Evil Fudge (TM) to
>>sustain her through her next flurry of writing* Besides looking forward
>>to reading all of this, hearing that others are producing inspires me to
>>produce too.
>
><Sigh> Excuse me while I mope around nd feel envious of both of you
>--my total pages written for today amount to something like -80.
>
>E. Liddell (also looking forward to reading Katherine's stuff)
You think that's bad -- I've got those two MiSTings I've been sitting on for
the past few months. XP
mi...@winternet.com
>
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:10:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
>
> >sephigirl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks. Writing, writing, writing! It's turned into a part-time unpaid job
> >> at the moment. ^__^ Got 250 pages done on my current book as well as wrote
> >> small parts on the next two planned. For fun, I almost finished up C. 4 of
> >> "Price of a Prince" which ends with the shadowy entrance of our favorite
> >> blue-forelocked boy; started up the Nemuro/Tokiko romance as told in his
> >> POV; did a small bit on the Wakaba/Tatsuya romance and am formulating a
> >> KozuexNanami (maybe with Miki too) lemon. ^^
> >
> >This is great! *gives Katherine a big plate of Evil Fudge (TM) to
> >sustain her through her next flurry of writing* Besides looking forward
> >to reading all of this, hearing that others are producing inspires me to
> >produce too.
>
> <Sigh> Excuse me while I mope around nd feel envious of both of you
> --my total pages written for today amount to something like -80.
>
*Also gives E. a big plate of Evil Fudge (TM) to encourage a flurry of
writing*
Death Quaker
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:10:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
>
> >sephigirl wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks. Writing, writing, writing! It's turned into a part-time unpaid job
> >> at the moment. ^__^ Got 250 pages done on my current book as well as wrote
> >> small parts on the next two planned. For fun, I almost finished up C. 4 of
> >> "Price of a Prince" which ends with the shadowy entrance of our favorite
> >> blue-forelocked boy; started up the Nemuro/Tokiko romance as told in his
> >> POV; did a small bit on the Wakaba/Tatsuya romance and am formulating a
> >> KozuexNanami (maybe with Miki too) lemon. ^^
> >
> >This is great! *gives Katherine a big plate of Evil Fudge (TM) to
> >sustain her through her next flurry of writing* Besides looking forward
> >to reading all of this, hearing that others are producing inspires me to
> >produce too.
>
> <Sigh> Excuse me while I mope around nd feel envious of both of you
> --my total pages written for today amount to something like -80.
Don't feel bad. I've had a book in my head for two years that I've
gotten about a chapter and a half written, and even that's pretty
rough. Once upon a time I had some semblance of writing discipline,
and I've no idea what's happened to it. Suffice to say I'm insanely
jealous of all of you. (^^)
I _will_ get it done. Some day... *sigh*
E. Liddell
<Accepts plate of fudge> Arigato, and I know I shouldn't whine--
it's just so damned *frustrating* to have to tear apart and then
reassemble and partially re-write every single longer piece that
I take on (often several times--I think this is the fourth or fifth
for this 'fic, not counting the drafts that just never got off the
ground) because I can't seem to get the pacing right except by trial
and error. At least I made forward and not backward progress
today.
E. Liddell, still glaring at the 'fic
sephigirl
news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
Writing . . . discipline? hahahahahaha. The one thing I've never been is
disciplined. Hence the fact I was either Honor Roll or all C's, depending
on my whims. Or the fact I've had . . . 3, 4? college majors. ^_^ Now, I
know an author who's published - Kim Louise - she writes romance - she has .
. . 6 or 7 books already published - she comes home from work and writes a
certain number of pages (can't remember how many) *every* night. I think
she finishes a novel, first draft in about a week. I can't imagine that.
That's why she's published and I'm not. And she has the chutzpah to submit
her work.
Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life. Anj &
I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships. But,
when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet people.
^_^
As long as you're writing & you enjoy writing - that's all that matters.
Like I've said - if I had a life and friends - my writing amount would be
very low. But I can either sit about and mope or I can put on writing music
(usually something very sad or sad/romantic) and write. If I ever got *all*
the stories in my head down - I'd scare myself - the many, many, many anime
fanfics (and more that arise as I see more anime ^__^ ), plus the serious
stories to someday put out for publishing - my head's crammed full of
imaginationings. new word!
Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter One
or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go write
mode. ^__^
Death Quaker
Sitting down and writing _is_ a discipline. It's hard work sometimes
even though it's enjoyable, and many people's brains... mine at
least... often work hard to try and avoid it.
>The one thing I've never been is
> disciplined. Hence the fact I was either Honor Roll or all C's, depending
> on my whims. Or the fact I've had . . . 3, 4? college majors. ^_^
Hee. I remember on my grad school application, it said "Please check
your desired major." I was annoyed there wasn't an "all of the above"
option. ^^
> Now, I
> know an author who's published - Kim Louise - she writes romance - she has .
> . . 6 or 7 books already published - she comes home from work and writes a
> certain number of pages (can't remember how many) *every* night. I think
> she finishes a novel, first draft in about a week. I can't imagine that.
> That's why she's published and I'm not. And she has the chutzpah to submit
> her work.
*nod* I also have a friend who is published. She's "only" published
two works (and hasn't done more--yet--because she's working on
pitching the screenplay for one of the previously published). Not to
mention her first book was written when she was 17. *jealous grimace*
She also fights with inertia (as most people do I think) though and it
gives me hope I can shake me out of mine. That and she's a cool
chickie to aspire to be like. ^^
> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life. Anj &
> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships. But,
> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet people.
> ^_^
I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
"relationships" you mention?)--I just have too many damn hobbies, and
each one distracts me from the other. I've been working on trying to
narrow down to working on only one or two. Right now those two are
painting Warhammer models for a friend of mine (he compensates me for
the work) and working on my Utena Website.
I'm hoping the latter will help me "window" back into writing more
though--I'm planning on adding more content, including some fanfic
hopefully, which will get me back into the writing swing. I have to
finish upgrading the existing pages to the new template first,
something that's feeling like it's taking forever.
Well, that and very recently I've had the very serious and very
upsetting distraction of my apartment being broken into, but with the
mess cleaned up and the matter being investigated, I'm actually
determined to get back into my pursuits as a means of taking my life
into my own hands again.
> As long as you're writing & you enjoy writing - that's all that matters.
> Like I've said - if I had a life and friends - my writing amount would be
> very low. But I can either sit about and mope or I can put on writing music
> (usually something very sad or sad/romantic) and write. If I ever got *all*
> the stories in my head down - I'd scare myself - the many, many, many anime
> fanfics (and more that arise as I see more anime ^__^ ), plus the serious
> stories to someday put out for publishing - my head's crammed full of
> imaginationings. new word!
I like it!
> Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter One
> or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go write
> mode. ^__^
Hey, feel free. ^^
In fact, can I hire you as my personal cheerleader? Wait, that sounds
wrong... encouragement-provider... no.... erm... you know, nice
energetic person who pushes you into being your best self when you're
feeling down on yourself. I know there's a word for that...
Ah, that's it! It's "Wakaba"! ^^
I should hire you as my Wakaba. I'll compensate generously. ~_^ ~_^
But seriously, thank you. Encouragement is good. ^^
=====
E. Liddell
wrote:
>"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
[snip]
>>
>> Writing . . . discipline? hahahahahaha.
>
>Sitting down and writing _is_ a discipline. It's hard work sometimes
>even though it's enjoyable, and many people's brains... mine at
>least... often work hard to try and avoid it.
<Chuckle> You're in good company, I think. After all, it was
two multiply-published pro authors (and a pro editor) who,
in another newsgroup, jointly coined the term "cat vacuuming"
to mean, roughly, "the weird and wonderful supposedly-vaguely-
constructive stuff you come up with to do in the time that
you're supposed to be using for writing".
[snip]
>> Now, I
>> know an author who's published - Kim Louise - she writes romance - she has .
>> . . 6 or 7 books already published - she comes home from work and writes a
>> certain number of pages (can't remember how many) *every* night. I think
>> she finishes a novel, first draft in about a week. I can't imagine that.
One a week is a bit much, IMNSHO (she'd have to be writing more
than thirty pages, or 10000 words, a day to finish a 250-page novel
draft in a week--that's a recipe for carpal tunnel) . . . although
which author was it who sat down every morning and wrote exactly
2000 words before heading off to his day job--starting a new novel
if there weren't 2000 words left to be written in the one he'd been
working on the day before?
(Me? One hour or one page every morning, unless I'm so tired that
I have to struggle out of bed in order to make it to work on time.)
[snip]
>> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life. Anj &
>> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships. But,
>> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet people.
>> ^_^
>
>I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
>"relationships" you mention?)
They really ought to establish zoos for all these endangered
species--I don't think I've ever seen a "life", and I thought
"relationships" were mythical.
>--I just have too many damn hobbies, and
>each one distracts me from the other. I've been working on trying to
>narrow down to working on only one or two.
<Sigh> Boy, do I know that feeling.
[snip]
>Well, that and very recently I've had the very serious and very
>upsetting distraction of my apartment being broken into, but with the
>mess cleaned up and the matter being investigated, I'm actually
>determined to get back into my pursuits as a means of taking my life
>into my own hands again.
Aiyeuch. My sympathies. Here, have an e-cookie.
>> As long as you're writing & you enjoy writing - that's all that matters.
>> Like I've said - if I had a life and friends - my writing amount would be
>> very low. But I can either sit about and mope or I can put on writing music
>> (usually something very sad or sad/romantic) and write. If I ever got *all*
>> the stories in my head down - I'd scare myself - the many, many, many anime
>> fanfics (and more that arise as I see more anime ^__^ ), plus the serious
>> stories to someday put out for publishing - my head's crammed full of
>> imaginationings. new word!
>
>I like it!
I think one of the things that distinguishes the true writer from
the wannabe is that the true writer always has more ideas than
she knows what to do with.
>> Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter One
>> or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go write
>> mode. ^__^
>
>Hey, feel free. ^^
Seconded.
<Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
E. Liddell
Death Quaker
> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> wrote:
>
> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> [snip]
> >>
> >> Writing . . . discipline? hahahahahaha.
> >
> >Sitting down and writing _is_ a discipline. It's hard work sometimes
> >even though it's enjoyable, and many people's brains... mine at
> >least... often work hard to try and avoid it.
>
> <Chuckle> You're in good company, I think. After all, it was
> two multiply-published pro authors (and a pro editor) who,
> in another newsgroup, jointly coined the term "cat vacuuming"
> to mean, roughly, "the weird and wonderful supposedly-vaguely-
> constructive stuff you come up with to do in the time that
> you're supposed to be using for writing".
What's odd is I believe I've heard that term before, but I've never
gone to a writing newsgroup. It must have spread quickly.
I've done nothing so odd as vacuuming a cat... but since I'm a big
computer gaming geek, I'll find that when I try to write, I suddenly
get an urge to play one of my old ancient computer games that up until
3 minutes beforehand I'd be utterly bored at the thought of playing
again.
<snip>
> One a week is a bit much, IMNSHO (she'd have to be writing more
> than thirty pages, or 10000 words, a day to finish a 250-page novel
> draft in a week--that's a recipe for carpal tunnel) . . . although
> which author was it who sat down every morning and wrote exactly
> 2000 words before heading off to his day job--starting a new novel
> if there weren't 2000 words left to be written in the one he'd been
> working on the day before?
>
> (Me? One hour or one page every morning, unless I'm so tired that
> I have to struggle out of bed in order to make it to work on time.)
That's a good idea, actually. My problem is that I'm the type who gets
up with just enough time to wash and clothe myself before stumbling to
the bus. But coming up with some sort of routine is good...
> [snip]
> >> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life. Anj &
> >> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships. But,
> >> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet people.
> >> ^_^
> >
> >I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
> >"relationships" you mention?)
>
> They really ought to establish zoos for all these endangered
> species--I don't think I've ever seen a "life", and I thought
> "relationships" were mythical.
I'm fairly certain they're fictional... probably invented by another
writer who wondered what such a thing would be like.
<snip>
> >Well, that and very recently I've had the very serious and very
> >upsetting distraction of my apartment being broken into, but with the
> >mess cleaned up and the matter being investigated, I'm actually
> >determined to get back into my pursuits as a means of taking my life
> >into my own hands again.
>
> Aiyeuch. My sympathies. Here, have an e-cookie.
*accepts e-cookie gladly* Thank you.
> >> As long as you're writing & you enjoy writing - that's all that matters.
> >> Like I've said - if I had a life and friends - my writing amount would be
> >> very low. But I can either sit about and mope or I can put on writing music
> >> (usually something very sad or sad/romantic) and write. If I ever got *all*
> >> the stories in my head down - I'd scare myself - the many, many, many anime
> >> fanfics (and more that arise as I see more anime ^__^ ), plus the serious
> >> stories to someday put out for publishing - my head's crammed full of
> >> imaginationings. new word!
> >
> >I like it!
>
> I think one of the things that distinguishes the true writer from
> the wannabe is that the true writer always has more ideas than
> she knows what to do with.
Oooh! Ooh! I guess I'm a true writer then. ^^ Part of my problem is as
soon as I start one story, an idea for another comes along. My
hardrive is filled with story and poem and essay fragments.
> >> Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter One
> >> or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go write
> >> mode. ^__^
> >
> >Hey, feel free. ^^
>
> Seconded.
>
> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
=====
Death Quaker!
Shiori's Prince
http://www.deathquaker.org (featuring some of the writings I actually
did finish ^^)
E. Liddell
wrote:
>elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
>> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
>> [snip]
>> >>
>> >> Writing . . . discipline? hahahahahaha.
>> >
>> >Sitting down and writing _is_ a discipline. It's hard work sometimes
>> >even though it's enjoyable, and many people's brains... mine at
>> >least... often work hard to try and avoid it.
>>
>> <Chuckle> You're in good company, I think. After all, it was
>> two multiply-published pro authors (and a pro editor) who,
>> in another newsgroup, jointly coined the term "cat vacuuming"
>> to mean, roughly, "the weird and wonderful supposedly-vaguely-
>> constructive stuff you come up with to do in the time that
>> you're supposed to be using for writing".
>
>What's odd is I believe I've heard that term before, but I've never
>gone to a writing newsgroup. It must have spread quickly.
Well, it's about four years old now, so it's had time to spread.
>I've done nothing so odd as vacuuming a cat...
I have, actually. The cat we had when I was a kid used to
love to be vacuumed. (It probably helped that he went
fairly deaf in his old age.)
>but since I'm a big
>computer gaming geek, I'll find that when I try to write, I suddenly
>get an urge to play one of my old ancient computer games that up until
>3 minutes beforehand I'd be utterly bored at the thought of playing
>again.
Hey, at least that means that you're relatively consistent. At the
moment, I have a half-dozen anime DVDs, a good dozen books
(including a ruinously expensive trade paperback copy of
P.C. Hodgell's _Seeker's Mask_, which I've been trying to
obtain for a couple of years now), and three graphic novels
waiting for me (not to mention a correspondence course and
a bunch of overdue website updates)--it's such an embarassment
of riches that I don't know where to start. And yet there I was this
morning, half-asleep, trying to peg together bits of previous
drafts of Chapter 2 of the damned nameless Yami no Matsuei
fanfic sequel into something both readable and better-paced than
the several previous attempts.
Sometimes, having the habit of self-discipline really pisses me
off. *Want* to read books! *Want* to watch DVDs!
Unfortunately, I know that once I start, I'm not going to want
to stop, and my boss would take a really dim view of "I
spent the day reading" as an excuse for not showing up for
work. Oh, well, at least while I'm doing other stuff I can
listen to the copy of YnM OST 2 that finally got here today
<grumble-didn't-take-them-six-weeks-the-last-time-I-
ordered-from-them-growl>.
><snip>
>
>> One a week is a bit much, IMNSHO (she'd have to be writing more
>> than thirty pages, or 10000 words, a day to finish a 250-page novel
>> draft in a week--that's a recipe for carpal tunnel) . . . although
>> which author was it who sat down every morning and wrote exactly
>> 2000 words before heading off to his day job--starting a new novel
>> if there weren't 2000 words left to be written in the one he'd been
>> working on the day before?
>>
>> (Me? One hour or one page every morning, unless I'm so tired that
>> I have to struggle out of bed in order to make it to work on time.)
>
>That's a good idea, actually. My problem is that I'm the type who gets
>up with just enough time to wash and clothe myself before stumbling to
>the bus. But coming up with some sort of routine is good...
<Shrug> I'm a morning, rather than a late night, person--always have
been. I agree, though--the important part is the routine.
>> [snip]
>> >> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life. Anj &
>> >> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships. But,
>> >> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet people.
>> >> ^_^
>> >
>> >I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
>> >"relationships" you mention?)
>>
>> They really ought to establish zoos for all these endangered
>> species--I don't think I've ever seen a "life", and I thought
>> "relationships" were mythical.
>
>I'm fairly certain they're fictional... probably invented by another
>writer who wondered what such a thing would be like.
You might be right, at that. The money for the zoos is probably
better spent on a "Save the Clues!" campaign, as clues still
appear to be merely endangered in most parts of the world
[snip]
>> >> As long as you're writing & you enjoy writing - that's all that matters.
>> >> Like I've said - if I had a life and friends - my writing amount would be
>> >> very low. But I can either sit about and mope or I can put on writing music
>> >> (usually something very sad or sad/romantic) and write. If I ever got *all*
>> >> the stories in my head down - I'd scare myself - the many, many, many anime
>> >> fanfics (and more that arise as I see more anime ^__^ ), plus the serious
>> >> stories to someday put out for publishing - my head's crammed full of
>> >> imaginationings. new word!
>> >
>> >I like it!
>>
>> I think one of the things that distinguishes the true writer from
>> the wannabe is that the true writer always has more ideas than
>> she knows what to do with.
>
>Oooh! Ooh! I guess I'm a true writer then. ^^ Part of my problem is as
>soon as I start one story, an idea for another comes along. My
>hardrive is filled with story and poem and essay fragments.
Yup, sounds like you, too, have the disease. Welcome,
comrade. ;)
(What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
>> >> Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter One
>> >> or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go write
>> >> mode. ^__^
>> >
>> >Hey, feel free. ^^
>>
>> Seconded.
>>
>> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
>> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
>> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
>> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>
>I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
>isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
<Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
him with to convince him to cooperate.
>My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
>she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
>"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
>be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
>music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
>dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
sephigirl
news:405790f7...@news.storm.ca...
> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> wrote:
>
> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> [snip]
> >>
> >> Writing . . . discipline? hahahahahaha.
> >
> >Sitting down and writing _is_ a discipline. It's hard work sometimes
> >even though it's enjoyable, and many people's brains... mine at
> >least... often work hard to try and avoid it.
>
> <Chuckle> You're in good company, I think. After all, it was
> two multiply-published pro authors (and a pro editor) who,
> in another newsgroup, jointly coined the term "cat vacuuming"
> to mean, roughly, "the weird and wonderful supposedly-vaguely-
> constructive stuff you come up with to do in the time that
> you're supposed to be using for writing".
>
> [snip]
> >> Now, I
> >> know an author who's published - Kim Louise - she writes romance - she
has .
> >> . . 6 or 7 books already published - she comes home from work and
writes a
> >> certain number of pages (can't remember how many) *every* night. I
think
> >> she finishes a novel, first draft in about a week. I can't imagine
that.
>
> One a week is a bit much, IMNSHO (she'd have to be writing more
> than thirty pages, or 10000 words, a day to finish a 250-page novel
> draft in a week--that's a recipe for carpal tunnel) . . . although
> which author was it who sat down every morning and wrote exactly
> 2000 words before heading off to his day job--starting a new novel
> if there weren't 2000 words left to be written in the one he'd been
> working on the day before?
>
The romance writers I know call this the "don't look down" draft so I'm not
sure how much dead space there is, the sort of "and a miracle happens" type
occurances. While I would ratehr not criticize someone published or someone
I know, her stories aren't very deep - they're contemporary, single/double
plots with lots of smoky attractions. But, then she's published; I'm not.
So . . . And for me to write a 250-page book would be a dream come true.
I'd kill to be that brief. I have so many secrets, twists, etc. that even
in my simple romance I recently finished - I think it ended up at 500 pages
like the historical I first wrote. And the current fantasy I'm doing is
already at 244 pages and it's about 1/4 done. erg. -_-
> (Me? One hour or one page every morning, unless I'm so tired that
> I have to struggle out of bed in order to make it to work on time.)
>
> [snip]
> >> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life.
Anj &
> >> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships.
But,
> >> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet
people.
> >> ^_^
> >
> >I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
> >"relationships" you mention?)
>
> They really ought to establish zoos for all these endangered
> species--I don't think I've ever seen a "life", and I thought
> "relationships" were mythical.
Sign - "Life" - a creature purported to exist but has yet to be proven by
most
>
> >--I just have too many damn hobbies, and
> >each one distracts me from the other. I've been working on trying to
> >narrow down to working on only one or two.
>
> <Sigh> Boy, do I know that feeling.
>
> [snip]
> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>
As hentai as it sounds - I would like to take this time to thank you for the
orgasm I had at work today, when I read this. ^__^
My God - I'm in lust - if I do find him - well, you may get him back but
he'll be a bit . . . rumpled. ^_^ *off to have more fantasies about your
muse*
Btw - my hero of my current book resembles Ashram. ^_^ Talk about . . .
fantasies.
~Katherine (who's putting on her shoes to go search for this muse again)
sephigirl
news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > "Death Quaker" <death...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message
> > news:<4050f20d...@news.storm.ca>...
> > > > On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:10:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >sephigirl wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > <Sigh> Excuse me while I mope around nd feel envious of both of you
> > > > --my total pages written for today amount to something like -80.
> > >
> > > Don't feel bad. I've had a book in my head for two years that I've
> > > gotten about a chapter and a half written, and even that's pretty
> > > rough. Once upon a time I had some semblance of writing discipline,
> > > and I've no idea what's happened to it. Suffice to say I'm insanely
> > > jealous of all of you. (^^)
> > >
> > > I _will_ get it done. Some day... *sigh*
> > >
> > Yes, you will.
> >
> > Writing . . . discipline? hahahahahaha.
>
> Sitting down and writing _is_ a discipline. It's hard work sometimes
> even though it's enjoyable, and many people's brains... mine at
> least... often work hard to try and avoid it.
>
> >The one thing I've never been is
> > disciplined. Hence the fact I was either Honor Roll or all C's,
depending
> > on my whims. Or the fact I've had . . . 3, 4? college majors. ^_^
>
> Hee. I remember on my grad school application, it said "Please check
> your desired major." I was annoyed there wasn't an "all of the above"
> option. ^^
>
up with my "I'm majoring in English Lit. but taking German, Oenology and
Vintaculture, and Biosocial Genetics." schedules. And yes I've taken all
three of those while a Lit major. ^^
>
> > Now, I
> > know an author who's published - Kim Louise - she writes romance - she
has .
> > . . 6 or 7 books already published - she comes home from work and writes
a
> > certain number of pages (can't remember how many) *every* night. I
think
> > she finishes a novel, first draft in about a week. I can't imagine
that.
> > That's why she's published and I'm not. And she has the chutzpah to
submit
> > her work.
>
> *nod* I also have a friend who is published. She's "only" published
> two works (and hasn't done more--yet--because she's working on
> pitching the screenplay for one of the previously published). Not to
> mention her first book was written when she was 17. *jealous grimace*
*add my own jealous grimace* That's so cool that she was sure enough to
submit and sell.
>
> She also fights with inertia (as most people do I think) though and it
> gives me hope I can shake me out of mine. That and she's a cool
> chickie to aspire to be like. ^^
>
> > Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life.
Anj &
> > I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships.
But,
> > when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet
people.
> > ^_^
>
> I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
> "relationships" you mention?)--I just have too many damn hobbies, and
> each one distracts me from the other. I've been working on trying to
> narrow down to working on only one or two. Right now those two are
> painting Warhammer models for a friend of mine (he compensates me for
> the work) and working on my Utena Website.
Hobbies? What are those? ^_^ Does posting to afu count as a hobby?
>
> I'm hoping the latter will help me "window" back into writing more
> though--I'm planning on adding more content, including some fanfic
> hopefully, which will get me back into the writing swing. I have to
> finish upgrading the existing pages to the new template first,
> something that's feeling like it's taking forever.
You'll get it - *envious of DQ & everyone who knows this html stuff and have
fantastic pages*
>
> Well, that and very recently I've had the very serious and very
> upsetting distraction of my apartment being broken into, but with the
> mess cleaned up and the matter being investigated, I'm actually
> determined to get back into my pursuits as a means of taking my life
> into my own hands again.
*HUGSHUGSHUGSHUGSHUGS*
>
> > As long as you're writing & you enjoy writing - that's all that matters.
> > Like I've said - if I had a life and friends - my writing amount would
be
> > very low. But I can either sit about and mope or I can put on writing
music
> > (usually something very sad or sad/romantic) and write. If I ever got
*all*
> > the stories in my head down - I'd scare myself - the many, many, many
anime
> > fanfics (and more that arise as I see more anime ^__^ ), plus the
serious
> > stories to someday put out for publishing - my head's crammed full of
> > imaginationings. new word!
>
> I like it!
I'll add that to slickerty and tawdradize (to make tawdry)
>
> > Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter
One
> > or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go
write
> > mode. ^__^
>
> Hey, feel free. ^^
>
> In fact, can I hire you as my personal cheerleader? Wait, that sounds
> wrong... encouragement-provider... no.... erm... you know, nice
> energetic person who pushes you into being your best self when you're
> feeling down on yourself. I know there's a word for that...
>
> Ah, that's it! It's "Wakaba"! ^^
LOL! That's me - I always like to encourage others and believe in them.
That's my strength; my weakness, like Wakaba's is that I feel "not as
special" as my cool friends (who, are truly much cooler than me - some of
them actually *do* have lives). But, I never, ever, never want an abusive
git like Saionji in my room. Okay, he's pretty and can be semi-thoughtful,
the jerk. ^^ I think that's why the Wakaba episode is my favorite of the
BR duellist's because I really empathize with her. *huggles Wakaba*
>
> I should hire you as my Wakaba. I'll compensate generously. ~_^ ~_^
I always said I was Wakabakio - I'll glomp you, declare you as most
fantastic then somehow make some ecchi comment (that's a given, with me)
and, if it's a guy, undress them.
>
> But seriously, thank you. Encouragement is good. ^^
>
So it is. ^__^ *shakes pom poms*
mi...@winternet.com
It was done here, and we learned it should never be done again. Blood
was drawn, but I'm happy to say not mine, and not the cat's.
Yeah, I want to read books and watch DVDs and play The Sims. But I need
to write and draw and knit too. Yup, I know exactly what you mean.
>
> ><snip>
> >
> >> One a week is a bit much, IMNSHO (she'd have to be writing more
> >> than thirty pages, or 10000 words, a day to finish a 250-page novel
> >> draft in a week--that's a recipe for carpal tunnel) . . . although
> >> which author was it who sat down every morning and wrote exactly
> >> 2000 words before heading off to his day job--starting a new novel
> >> if there weren't 2000 words left to be written in the one he'd been
> >> working on the day before?
> >>
> >> (Me? One hour or one page every morning, unless I'm so tired that
> >> I have to struggle out of bed in order to make it to work on time.)
> >
> >That's a good idea, actually. My problem is that I'm the type who gets
> >up with just enough time to wash and clothe myself before stumbling to
> >the bus. But coming up with some sort of routine is good...
>
> <Shrug> I'm a morning, rather than a late night, person--always have
> been. I agree, though--the important part is the routine.
For a while I tried writing in the mornings before work, when I was
working my way through "The Artist's Way". The regimen did do what it
was supposed to--get me through the creative blocks I was experiencing
at the time, and eventually I was able to adapt the disciplines so I
didn't have to do it in the morning. I really hate to stay later at the
office than I absolutely need to. So even though I am *not* a morning
person either, I'd rather go to work early than hang around at home and
have to stay at the office late.
Yay! I've succumbed too. I have the added complication that sometimes
an idea could manifest in different arts, and I have to decide first
which one to do it in. Thankfully, enough does get decided that I can
actually produce a few things. But I still feel confused and scattered
frequently.
>
> (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
head constantly.
>
> >> >> Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter One
> >> >> or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go write
> >> >> mode. ^__^
> >> >
> >> >Hey, feel free. ^^
> >>
> >> Seconded.
> >>
> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
> >
> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
>
> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
> him with to convince him to cooperate.
What makes you think that he had time to do anything as conscious as
decide to cooperate? ^^
>
> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
>
> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
>
I have no clue what my Muse looks like. Now that I think about it, my
Muse isn't human--it's feline. My Mew-ss.
sephigirl
> On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> wrote:
>
> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message
news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> >> [snip]
> >> >>
>
> I have, actually. The cat we had when I was a kid used to
> love to be vacuumed. (It probably helped that he went
> fairly deaf in his old age.)
Wow. What a good cat, even if he was fairly deaf.
> >but since I'm a big
> >computer gaming geek, I'll find that when I try to write, I suddenly
> >get an urge to play one of my old ancient computer games that up until
> >3 minutes beforehand I'd be utterly bored at the thought of playing
> >again.
>
> Hey, at least that means that you're relatively consistent. At the
> moment, I have a half-dozen anime DVDs, a good dozen books
> (including a ruinously expensive trade paperback copy of
> P.C. Hodgell's _Seeker's Mask_, which I've been trying to
> obtain for a couple of years now), and three graphic novels
> waiting for me (not to mention a correspondence course and
> a bunch of overdue website updates)--it's such an embarassment
> of riches that I don't know where to start. And yet there I was this
> morning, half-asleep, trying to peg together bits of previous
> drafts of Chapter 2 of the damned nameless Yami no Matsuei
> fanfic sequel into something both readable and better-paced than
> the several previous attempts.
*starts slavering at the thought of another Liddell-penned YnM fic coming
out some day*
>
> Sometimes, having the habit of self-discipline really pisses me
> off. *Want* to read books! *Want* to watch DVDs!
> Unfortunately, I know that once I start, I'm not going to want
> to stop, and my boss would take a really dim view of "I
> spent the day reading" as an excuse for not showing up for
> work. Oh, well, at least while I'm doing other stuff I can
> listen to the copy of YnM OST 2 that finally got here today
> <grumble-didn't-take-them-six-weeks-the-last-time-I-
> ordered-from-them-growl>.
>
I had to laugh at your boss statement. As I did that once - *at work* - I
must've read most of a novel at my desk one day, years ago when I worked at
the University of Texas. I had it on my desk opened and while I faced my
computer, my gaze was on the book. Luckily I only got caught once. mmmm
YnM OST's - I think my fave piece is the choral one to where that ship is
sinking (can't find my OST's on first search, dammit).
> ><snip>
> >
> >> One a week is a bit much, IMNSHO (she'd have to be writing more
> >> than thirty pages, or 10000 words, a day to finish a 250-page novel
> >> draft in a week--that's a recipe for carpal tunnel) . . . although
> >> which author was it who sat down every morning and wrote exactly
> >> 2000 words before heading off to his day job--starting a new novel
> >> if there weren't 2000 words left to be written in the one he'd been
> >> working on the day before?
> >>
> >> (Me? One hour or one page every morning, unless I'm so tired that
> >> I have to struggle out of bed in order to make it to work on time.)
> >
> >That's a good idea, actually. My problem is that I'm the type who gets
> >up with just enough time to wash and clothe myself before stumbling to
> >the bus. But coming up with some sort of routine is good...
>
> <Shrug> I'm a morning, rather than a late night, person--always have
> been. I agree, though--the important part is the routine.
Sad part is - I'm at my most "I want to write, right now" is at work. I
tend not to write on w/e's tho', when I *can* write during the day.
You're . . . kidding. o_o *short rant* How can they indeed call
themselves writers??? Oh. My. God. *quickly ends her rant before it runs
away*
>
<snip>
> >>
> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
> >
> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
>
> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
> him with to convince him to cooperate.
A bottle of Laphroaig, a pair of handcuffs, and an outfit that I mentioned
in one of the d-fics that I really do own. As to the cooperation part . . .
*goes into another fantasy about this Muse* ^__^
>
> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
>
> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
>
I never really had a Muse tho' I must admit the Schuldig-looking hero of my
second book has never left my thoughts - I fell in love with him, dammit.
And while he's been written and done with, he's still *here.* How can I
resist a tall, German man with silky red hair wearing Armani and a naughty,
yet somehow still sweet, grin who promises me his undying devotion?
sephigirl
news:404FE784...@winternet.com...
Thanks. Now I'll sit on the couch and drool over Allen rather than write.
^__^ I've just had Esca in and, while he's so frustratingly condescending,
I still lust for Allen. And Dryden.
> >
> > Really? That's a neat thing. I have no life, so my mind is always busy
> > concocting things. If I had a life, I wouldn't be half as productive.
Plus
> > I don't have my little furry buddy around anymore to let me know I need
to
> > stop sitting at the desk and pay attention to him. Now.
> >
> > Sometimes I feel like a writer's version of the Red Shoes - I can't stop
> > writing/thinking about writing. Even while I'm playing on afu tonight -
> > I've been going to Word and working on my book.
>
> Let's not talk about how I've been having to multi-task today, first at
> work and then it didn't stop when I got home. But I did learn that
> online paint chats work great for brainstorming collaborative drawing
> ideas.
>
> And at work, I'll get hit with an inspiration for one of my works, and
> I've learned not to trust it to memory. It goes onto scratch paper and
> into my briefcase right then, so it can go home and not get lost.
>
Hai, hai! My work computer's full of semi-written bits that I periodically
save to a CD and take home.
He might. It'd keep me home, wouldn't it? But, then while I'm bed ridden
and he's busy . . .
Touga: I'm so there.
mi...@winternet.com
You don't think Dryden is more condescending than Allen?
> > >
> > > Really? That's a neat thing. I have no life, so my mind is always busy
> > > concocting things. If I had a life, I wouldn't be half as productive.
> Plus
> > > I don't have my little furry buddy around anymore to let me know I need
> to
> > > stop sitting at the desk and pay attention to him. Now.
> > >
> > > Sometimes I feel like a writer's version of the Red Shoes - I can't stop
> > > writing/thinking about writing. Even while I'm playing on afu tonight -
> > > I've been going to Word and working on my book.
> >
> > Let's not talk about how I've been having to multi-task today, first at
> > work and then it didn't stop when I got home. But I did learn that
> > online paint chats work great for brainstorming collaborative drawing
> > ideas.
> >
> > And at work, I'll get hit with an inspiration for one of my works, and
> > I've learned not to trust it to memory. It goes onto scratch paper and
> > into my briefcase right then, so it can go home and not get lost.
> >
> Hai, hai! My work computer's full of semi-written bits that I periodically
> save to a CD and take home.
I have no CD burner at work, so those bits get done longhand. That's
okay, as I invariably edit and improve stuff as it gets typed in.
Mikage: As if you'll ever find her when she's safely ensconsed in our
basement bower.
Touga: That is the most hideous attempted metaphor I've ever heard.
sephigirl
news:4059106F...@winternet.com...
> sephigirl wrote:
> >
> > <mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:404FE784...@winternet.com...
> > > sephigirl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:404E952B...@winternet.com...
> > > > > sephigirl wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:4047C217...@winternet.com...
> > > > > > > sephigirl wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > sustain her through her next flurry of writing* Besides looking
> > forward
> > > > > to reading all of this, hearing that others are producing inspires
me
> > to
> > > > > produce too.
> >
> > Thanks. Now I'll sit on the couch and drool over Allen rather than
write.
> > ^__^ I've just had Esca in and, while he's so frustratingly
condescending,
> > I still lust for Allen. And Dryden.
>
> You don't think Dryden is more condescending than Allen?
*Escaflowne spoiler avoidance, I hope, if there's anyone who *hasn't* seen
Esca*
Dryden's more . . . snarky? He's like those nerd boys who knows (my tense
usage seems wrong here) he's more intelligent than you yet not as cool so he
makes snarky comments. His ego is greater than Allen's though - maybe
because Dryden's a Prince and privileged where Allen might have been
privileged, he was orphaned, lost his little sister and fended for himself.
His fantastic looks and swordmanship (regular and hentai) got him where he's
at. I couldn't see Dryden with that rough gang that Allen has (and has
earned their respect). There's more "depth" to Allen even if he seems to
still play off his good looks and charm. Dryden is more book smart,
obviously, but he's more sure of himself and that comes across. I'm not
sure which one I'd actually choose, if I had that happy choice. Probably
Allen, if he understood that being faithful was very important and I could
win over his sister (who would, no doubt, be more important in his life than
his wife). But, then Dryden's so sure of himself, he releases *spoilers* I
like the idea he's ready to trust that person enough that they'll return.
>
> > > >
<snip>
I have to agree with Touga, even it is sweet of Mikage to try and sound
romantic.
Touga: See? See?
Mikage: She said I was romantic.
Touga: She said you were _trying_. *preens* That's not a problem for me,
you know.
Katherine: What I want to know is what makes anyone think I'd stay down in
that basement? There's plenty of beds upstairs, and couches.
Mikage: There's one in my office. You could rest there and watch me work.
Touga: Oh. Joy. You _know_ my bed's big and comfortable.
Mikage: Why would I know that?
Touga: I'm talking to -
Katherine: Himself. Why don't you go see Saio and talk to him about this
deathwish he's put on me? If he's in support of me being hurt . . . and no
doubt he looks so amused when he sees me fall over my own feet . . .
Touga: Well, bay-bee, you're not graceful . . .
Katherine: erg!
Kevin Trainor
<mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message news:40590A5D...@winternet.com...
<headers snipped>
> > >> [snip]
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Writing . . . discipline? hahahahahaha.
> > >> >
> > >> >Sitting down and writing _is_ a discipline. It's hard work sometimes
> > >> >even though it's enjoyable, and many people's brains... mine at
> > >> >least... often work hard to try and avoid it.
> > >>
> > >> <Chuckle> You're in good company, I think. After all, it was
> > >> two multiply-published pro authors (and a pro editor) who,
> > >> in another newsgroup, jointly coined the term "cat vacuuming"
> > >> to mean, roughly, "the weird and wonderful supposedly-vaguely-
> > >> constructive stuff you come up with to do in the time that
> > >> you're supposed to be using for writing".
> > >
> > >What's odd is I believe I've heard that term before, but I've never
> > >gone to a writing newsgroup. It must have spread quickly.
> >
> > Well, it's about four years old now, so it's had time to spread.
> >
> > >I've done nothing so odd as vacuuming a cat...
> >
> > I have, actually. The cat we had when I was a kid used to
> > love to be vacuumed. (It probably helped that he went
> > fairly deaf in his old age.)
>
> It was done here, and we learned it should never be done again. Blood
> was drawn, but I'm happy to say not mine, and not the cat's.
>
distractions, he keeps a computer that is basically a dedicated word processor
with no modem, no games, no nothing but the word processor and OS. He keeps it
in a sort of windowless closet that he refers to as The Monk's Cell since it's
bare of all distractions from the work that needs doing, and it works for him.
I'm thinking of following this example with Cowzilla, my new laptop...but I
still need to find a regular time to settle down and bash on the various stories
and fanfic that need finishing off.
Funny how the more stuff we have to distract us, the more we need discipline to
find time for it all...
> >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >> One a week is a bit much, IMNSHO (she'd have to be writing more
> > >> than thirty pages, or 10000 words, a day to finish a 250-page novel
> > >> draft in a week--that's a recipe for carpal tunnel) . . . although
> > >> which author was it who sat down every morning and wrote exactly
> > >> 2000 words before heading off to his day job--starting a new novel
> > >> if there weren't 2000 words left to be written in the one he'd been
> > >> working on the day before?
> > >>
> > >> (Me? One hour or one page every morning, unless I'm so tired that
> > >> I have to struggle out of bed in order to make it to work on time.)
> > >
> > >That's a good idea, actually. My problem is that I'm the type who gets
> > >up with just enough time to wash and clothe myself before stumbling to
> > >the bus. But coming up with some sort of routine is good...
> >
> > <Shrug> I'm a morning, rather than a late night, person--always have
> > been. I agree, though--the important part is the routine.
>
> For a while I tried writing in the mornings before work, when I was
> working my way through "The Artist's Way". The regimen did do what it
> was supposed to--get me through the creative blocks I was experiencing
> at the time, and eventually I was able to adapt the disciplines so I
> didn't have to do it in the morning. I really hate to stay later at the
> office than I absolutely need to. So even though I am *not* a morning
> person either, I'd rather go to work early than hang around at home and
> have to stay at the office late.
>
*nods* On the other hand, if I'm at the office late, everyone else has gone home
and nobody cares that I'm sitting around tinkering with Utena fanfic or the
serious SF novel I'm (not) working on (enough) that used to be Utena fanfic.
> >
> > >> [snip]
> > >> >> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a life.
Anj &
> > >> >> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships.
But,
> > >> >> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet
people.
> > >> >> ^_^
> > >> >
> > >> >I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
> > >> >"relationships" you mention?)
> > >>
> > >> They really ought to establish zoos for all these endangered
> > >> species--I don't think I've ever seen a "life", and I thought
> > >> "relationships" were mythical.
> > >
> > >I'm fairly certain they're fictional... probably invented by another
> > >writer who wondered what such a thing would be like.
> >
> > You might be right, at that. The money for the zoos is probably
> > better spent on a "Save the Clues!" campaign, as clues still
> > appear to be merely endangered in most parts of the world
> >
This probably explains why a lot of SF and fantasy writers like to hang out at
conventions - it may be the only chance they get to actually meet people and
socialize outside of whatever small circle of friends/neighbors/acquaintances
they have outside of fandom.
I think it's the nature of the artist.
> >
> > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
>
> I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
> stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
> can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
> me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
> head constantly.
>
I'm not sure I understand this either, since I find an excess of inspiration all
around me as I read more and see more, not just in anime and manga but in the
world around me. Sometimes you can't make stuff up fast enough.
> >
> > >> >> Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it
Chapter One
> > >> >> or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go
write
> > >> >> mode. ^__^
> > >> >
> > >> >Hey, feel free. ^^
> > >>
> > >> Seconded.
> > >>
> > >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> > >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> > >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> > >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
> > >
> > >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
> > >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
> >
> > <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
> > him with to convince him to cooperate.
>
> What makes you think that he had time to do anything as conscious as
> decide to cooperate? ^^
>
*snerk*
<snip>
Kevin the Redneck Otaku,
AFU no Groundskeeper #2
Keeper of Juri's Rarely Seen Femme Side
UtenaCode [2.0]: U:6- F:Ju++>Shi+>:pBR D:Hi-->Na- X:***:a: 1-39++,[AM]
Mf: "Truth", "Virtual Star Embryology" d: "A Distillation Time"
"Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you." - Souji Mikage
E. Liddell
Sounds like you're one of those people who needs to edit with a
hatchet. My sympathies.
(I used to think that my first drafts were too sparsely written. Then
I figured out that what I was doing wrong with them was actually . . .
a lot more complicated.)
[snip]
>> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
>> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
>> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
>> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>>
>As hentai as it sounds - I would like to take this time to thank you for the
>orgasm I had at work today, when I read this. ^__^
Always glad to be of service. ;)
>My God - I'm in lust - if I do find him - well, you may get him back but
>he'll be a bit . . . rumpled. ^_^ *off to have more fantasies about your
>muse*
Heh. I ought to warn you, though, he has a bit of an attitude and is
rather prone to long sulks.
>Btw - my hero of my current book resembles Ashram. ^_^ Talk about . . .
>fantasies.
<Wry grin> Heck, I fell for someone else's fictional character
recently just because he had a name and history resembling
Ashuram's.
E. Liddell
<seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote:
>"E. Liddell" <elid...@no.patience.for.spam> wrote in message
>news:4058d1dc...@news.storm.ca...
>> On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message
>news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
>> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
>news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
>> >> [snip]
>> >> >>
>> >I've done nothing so odd as vacuuming a cat...
>>
>> I have, actually. The cat we had when I was a kid used to
>> love to be vacuumed. (It probably helped that he went
>> fairly deaf in his old age.)
>
>Wow. What a good cat, even if he was fairly deaf.
Well, for some definitions of "good". Having a cat twining
around your ankles yowling at you does not mix well with
vacuuming.
>> >but since I'm a big
>> >computer gaming geek, I'll find that when I try to write, I suddenly
>> >get an urge to play one of my old ancient computer games that up until
>> >3 minutes beforehand I'd be utterly bored at the thought of playing
>> >again.
>>
>> Hey, at least that means that you're relatively consistent. At the
>> moment, I have a half-dozen anime DVDs, a good dozen books
>> (including a ruinously expensive trade paperback copy of
>> P.C. Hodgell's _Seeker's Mask_, which I've been trying to
>> obtain for a couple of years now), and three graphic novels
>> waiting for me (not to mention a correspondence course and
>> a bunch of overdue website updates)--it's such an embarassment
>> of riches that I don't know where to start. And yet there I was this
>> morning, half-asleep, trying to peg together bits of previous
>> drafts of Chapter 2 of the damned nameless Yami no Matsuei
>> fanfic sequel into something both readable and better-paced than
>> the several previous attempts.
>
>*starts slavering at the thought of another Liddell-penned YnM fic coming
>out some day*
<Offers a handful of tissue with which to wipe up the drool.> I'm
trying my damndest. Unfortunately, this morning I hit one of the
parts of the story that I never have gotten quite right . . . Oh.
*Oh.* Yeah, maybe that'll work, although it'll mean tearing out
most of what I've done over the past two days . . .
<PonderscribbledamngottagotoworkonceIfinisheating . . .>
>> Sometimes, having the habit of self-discipline really pisses me
>> off. *Want* to read books! *Want* to watch DVDs!
>> Unfortunately, I know that once I start, I'm not going to want
>> to stop, and my boss would take a really dim view of "I
>> spent the day reading" as an excuse for not showing up for
>> work. Oh, well, at least while I'm doing other stuff I can
>> listen to the copy of YnM OST 2 that finally got here today
>> <grumble-didn't-take-them-six-weeks-the-last-time-I-
>> ordered-from-them-growl>.
>>
>I had to laugh at your boss statement.
I was exaggerating, actually--the company I work for has a
really loose attitude regarding what constitutes "proper working
hours" (in other words, my boss wouldn't care if I wrote my
code on Nataku-the-Laptop-from-HFIL while standing on
my head in the shower at midnight instead of at the office
during normal working hours, so long as I delivered the
finished program on time), and I'm not paid by the hour,
so I can actually get away with just about whatever my own
conscience will let me. Unfortunately, my conscience is pretty
darned vocal and persistent.
>As I did that once - *at work* - I
>must've read most of a novel at my desk one day, years ago when I worked at
>the University of Texas. I had it on my desk opened and while I faced my
>computer, my gaze was on the book. Luckily I only got caught once. mmmm
>YnM OST's - I think my fave piece is the choral one to where that ship is
>sinking (can't find my OST's on first search, dammit).
"Face of Glass", track 23 on OST 1. Also one of my favourites. I'm
a real sucker for chorals like that.
[snip]
>> >> I think one of the things that distinguishes the true writer from
>> >> the wannabe is that the true writer always has more ideas than
>> >> she knows what to do with.
>> >
>> >Oooh! Ooh! I guess I'm a true writer then. ^^ Part of my problem is as
>> >soon as I start one story, an idea for another comes along. My
>> >hardrive is filled with story and poem and essay fragments.
>>
>> Yup, sounds like you, too, have the disease. Welcome,
>> comrade. ;)
>>
>> (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
>> who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
>> people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
>
>You're . . . kidding. o_o *short rant* How can they indeed call
>themselves writers??? Oh. My. God. *quickly ends her rant before it runs
>away*
Well, it may say more about Sailor Moon fandom (which I
still hang around on the fringes of sometimes and which is
where I generally run into them) than anything else. I just
can't imagine writing for *only* the egoboo.
><snip>
>> >>
>> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
>> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
>> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
>> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>> >
>> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
>> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
>>
>> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
>> him with to convince him to cooperate.
>
>A bottle of Laphroaig, a pair of handcuffs, and an outfit that I mentioned
>in one of the d-fics that I really do own. As to the cooperation part . . .
>*goes into another fantasy about this Muse* ^__^
Oh, I see, you got him drunk and tied him down. Drat. For what I
expect of him, I need him coherant.
E. Liddell
>"E. Liddell" wrote:
>>
>> On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
>> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
[snip]
>> Sometimes, having the habit of self-discipline really pisses me
>> off. *Want* to read books! *Want* to watch DVDs!
>> Unfortunately, I know that once I start, I'm not going to want
>> to stop, and my boss would take a really dim view of "I
>> spent the day reading" as an excuse for not showing up for
>> work. Oh, well, at least while I'm doing other stuff I can
>> listen to the copy of YnM OST 2 that finally got here today
>> <grumble-didn't-take-them-six-weeks-the-last-time-I-
>> ordered-from-them-growl>.
>
>Yeah, I want to read books and watch DVDs and play The Sims. But I need
>to write and draw and knit too. Yup, I know exactly what you mean.
We need 72-hour days, or something. (I mean, if I could fit it in,
I'd be taking lessons in drawing, Japanese, and possibly woodworking,
learning a couple of additional programming languages, attempting to
paint a portrait of my cat on a rock, writing my own email app and
that Java framework for FF-like RPGs that I've been thinking about
for several years . . . stuff like that.)
[snip]
>> (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
>> who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
>> people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
>
>I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
>writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
>stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
>can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
>me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
>head constantly.
And dance around you in circles, sticking their tongues out
and making rude noises at you, if they're anything like the
ideas I get. <Sigh>
[snip]
>> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
>> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
>> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
>> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>> >
>> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
>> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
>>
>> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
>> him with to convince him to cooperate.
>
>What makes you think that he had time to do anything as conscious as
>decide to cooperate? ^^
You don't know this Muse. He doesn't do anything that he doesn't
damned well want to, much to my constant irritation and consternation.
>>
>> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
>> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
>> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
>> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
>> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
>> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
>>
>> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
>> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
>> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
>> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
>>
>I have no clue what my Muse looks like. Now that I think about it, my
>Muse isn't human--it's feline. My Mew-ss.
And therefore, no doubt, susceptible to bribes of tuna and catnip.
Some people have all the luck . . .
E. Liddell (Why couldn't I get an elephant Muse? They work for
peanuts . . .)
mi...@winternet.com
So does this mean a portrait of your cat while it's sitting on a rock,
or a rock used as the canvas for a portrait of your cat?
Add to my list: quilting, dressmaking, about a half-dozen more languages
other than Japanese, spinning & weaving, kumihimo (Japanese-style
braiding, which I'll actually learn this spring and then promptly
forget), comic book/manga storytelling, and at least one martial art.
>
> [snip]
>
> >> (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> >> who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> >> people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
> >
> >I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> >writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
> >stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
> >can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
> >me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
> >head constantly.
>
> And dance around you in circles, sticking their tongues out
> and making rude noises at you, if they're anything like the
> ideas I get. <Sigh>
All of this while your head is still ringing from that original whack,
yes.
>
> [snip]
> >> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> >> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> >> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> >> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
> >> >
> >> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
> >> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
> >>
> >> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
> >> him with to convince him to cooperate.
> >
> >What makes you think that he had time to do anything as conscious as
> >decide to cooperate? ^^
>
> You don't know this Muse. He doesn't do anything that he doesn't
> damned well want to, much to my constant irritation and consternation.
I don't think you're alone. I have yet to hear of a pliable Muse.
>
> >>
> >> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
> >> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
> >> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
> >> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
> >> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
> >> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
> >>
> >> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
> >> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
> >> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
> >> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
> >>
> >I have no clue what my Muse looks like. Now that I think about it, my
> >Muse isn't human--it's feline. My Mew-ss.
>
> And therefore, no doubt, susceptible to bribes of tuna and catnip.
> Some people have all the luck . . .
>
And also salmon and cake donuts. But still stubborn as all get out, and
works on *his* schedule.
mi...@winternet.com
Not a bad idea if you can afford to have a dedicated, isolated machine.
That makes sense for a person like Pournelle, where his primary
profession is writer. But my machine does so many jobs, only one of
which is devoted to games, that it wouldn't work for me.
Cowzilla? Did you get a Gateway?
I have to keep a very clear separation of my personal stuff and my
machine at work. But that's okay, as I've reached a point in my life
where I can afford a pretty nice machine at home.
>
> > >
> > > >> [snip]
Exactly. That's why, for the two people I refer to below, I have come
to think that they weren't really artists to begin with. I really think
it's a basic temperamental drive, and not something one just "grows out
of".
>
> > >
> > > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
> >
> > I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> > writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
> > stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
> > can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
> > me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
> > head constantly.
> >
> I'm not sure I understand this either, since I find an excess of inspiration all
> around me as I read more and see more, not just in anime and manga but in the
> world around me. Sometimes you can't make stuff up fast enough.
Indeed. And that has also conditioned how I divide my time among my
arts. For example, I've done pictoral quilts as well as the kinds of
drawings you all have seen from me. But for an equivalent image, if I
do it as a drawing or painting, it will be done much faster than if I do
it as a quilt. So as much as I love the activity of quilting, the
backlog of ideas sometimes kicks me into other activities.
>
> <snip>
Death Quaker
Kewl. In undergrad I took Physics as my science requirement. Everyone
was like, "Why don't you take [the basic wimpy "social" chemistry
course for wimpy humanities majors] instead?" Because physics was more
cool!!
I wanted to take more classes in grad, but I unfortunately had neither
the time nor money.
I work for a university now tho... will I use my tuition remission
benefit some day? Oh yes I will.
> > > Now, I
> > > know an author who's published - Kim Louise - she writes romance - she
> has .
> > > . . 6 or 7 books already published - she comes home from work and writes
> a
> > > certain number of pages (can't remember how many) *every* night. I
> think
> > > she finishes a novel, first draft in about a week. I can't imagine
> that.
> > > That's why she's published and I'm not. And she has the chutzpah to
> submit
> > > her work.
> >
> > *nod* I also have a friend who is published. She's "only" published
> > two works (and hasn't done more--yet--because she's working on
> > pitching the screenplay for one of the previously published). Not to
> > mention her first book was written when she was 17. *jealous grimace*
>
> *add my own jealous grimace* That's so cool that she was sure enough to
> submit and sell.
*nod* She showed it to the resident writer at college her freshman
year, and he basically got her connected.
<snip>
> > I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
> > "relationships" you mention?)--I just have too many damn hobbies, and
> > each one distracts me from the other. I've been working on trying to
> > narrow down to working on only one or two. Right now those two are
> > painting Warhammer models for a friend of mine (he compensates me for
> > the work) and working on my Utena Website.
>
> Hobbies? What are those? ^_^
They are the many activities which distract me from writing.
>Does posting to afu count as a hobby?
Absolutely. It definitely is time consuming enough. ^^
> > I'm hoping the latter will help me "window" back into writing more
> > though--I'm planning on adding more content, including some fanfic
> > hopefully, which will get me back into the writing swing. I have to
> > finish upgrading the existing pages to the new template first,
> > something that's feeling like it's taking forever.
>
> You'll get it - *envious of DQ & everyone who knows this html stuff and have
> fantastic pages*
You'll learn. I picked up HTML basically by having someone show me the
very very basics and then just making it up as I went along. ^^
Webmonkey's a good resource.
> > Well, that and very recently I've had the very serious and very
> > upsetting distraction of my apartment being broken into, but with the
> > mess cleaned up and the matter being investigated, I'm actually
> > determined to get back into my pursuits as a means of taking my life
> > into my own hands again.
>
> *HUGSHUGSHUGSHUGSHUGS*
Thanks. I need those.
<snip>
> >
> > I like it!
>
> I'll add that to slickerty and tawdradize (to make tawdry)
What does slickerty mean?
> > > Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter
> One
> > > or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go
> write
> > > mode. ^__^
> >
> > Hey, feel free. ^^
> >
> > In fact, can I hire you as my personal cheerleader? Wait, that sounds
> > wrong... encouragement-provider... no.... erm... you know, nice
> > energetic person who pushes you into being your best self when you're
> > feeling down on yourself. I know there's a word for that...
> >
> > Ah, that's it! It's "Wakaba"! ^^
>
> LOL! That's me - I always like to encourage others and believe in them.
> That's my strength; my weakness, like Wakaba's is that I feel "not as
> special" as my cool friends (who, are truly much cooler than me - some of
> them actually *do* have lives).
*nod* I have friends like that. Stupid life-having friends. (But I
loves them muchly)
> But, I never, ever, never want an abusive
> git like Saionji in my room. Okay, he's pretty and can be semi-thoughtful,
> the jerk. ^^ I think that's why the Wakaba episode is my favorite of the
> BR duellist's because I really empathize with her. *huggles Wakaba*
*joins in the huggling*
> > I should hire you as my Wakaba. I'll compensate generously. ~_^ ~_^
>
> I always said I was Wakabakio - I'll glomp you, declare you as most
> fantastic then somehow make some ecchi comment (that's a given, with me)
> and, if it's a guy, undress them.
It was sounding so good up until the end.... *sigh* ~_^
> > But seriously, thank you. Encouragement is good. ^^
> >
> So it is. ^__^ *shakes pom poms*
Yay. ^^
=====
Death Quaker
sephigirl
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:05:13 -0600, "sephigirl"
> <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote:
>
> >"E. Liddell" <elid...@no.patience.for.spam> wrote in message
> >news:405790f7...@news.storm.ca...
> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
> >news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> >> [snip]
Ah but I do. By the time I get to my weekly reading w/ my Novelist's
Group - I've done three to ten rewrites. And alot of times they tell me to
expand on what I've written - add *more* description, . . . erg! I'm a
romance writer - I'm descriptive as all get out at times. I snip, snip,
snip at my writing. In fact, my last story - I felt was too rushed. I like
my relationships to grow and develop rather than "Hello, I love you." "I
love you." "Let's mis-communicate, break up and then realize we're soul
mates." The end. ^_^ Actually, one of my weaknesses is - I have a cast of
thousands - and that's something that's part of my style but it does hinder.
And there's always a pet cat. =^^=
>
> (I used to think that my first drafts were too sparsely written. Then
> I figured out that what I was doing wrong with them was actually . . .
> a lot more complicated.)
>
> [snip]
>
> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
> >>
> >As hentai as it sounds - I would like to take this time to thank you for
the
> >orgasm I had at work today, when I read this. ^__^
>
> Always glad to be of service. ;)
>
> >My God - I'm in lust - if I do find him - well, you may get him back but
> >he'll be a bit . . . rumpled. ^_^ *off to have more fantasies about
your
> >muse*
>
> Heh. I ought to warn you, though, he has a bit of an attitude and is
> rather prone to long sulks.
Ah, so rather than lust for him - I'm now forced to fall head over heels in
love with your Muse. ^__^ Does it get any better, broody, long, dark hair,
Sephi cos-play, and an attitude? *swoon*
>
~Katherine
Death Quaker
> On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> wrote:
>
> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
<snip>
> >but since I'm a big
> >computer gaming geek, I'll find that when I try to write, I suddenly
> >get an urge to play one of my old ancient computer games that up until
> >3 minutes beforehand I'd be utterly bored at the thought of playing
> >again.
>
> Hey, at least that means that you're relatively consistent.
*lol* Oh, hell no. That's just the "last barrier" so to speak, since
the games are actually on my computer, right along with the word
processor. Just one quick game of Nethack....
No, beyond the computer games, there are my own stack of DVDs and VHSs
(tho I don't have a DVD player anymore at the moment), the
Playstation, the Warhammer models to assemble and paint (both my Utena
model project as well as two projects I'm doing for a friend), the
drawing, the mandolin, the violin (although I probably play that less
often than I write), the music to listen to, the Website to update,
the Play-by-E-mail roleplaying game to run (although that's writing in
a sense, as we're basically doing a chain story with occasional die
rolling for probability issues), the table-top roleplaying game I play
every other weekend (although I'm also writing up my character
background for that which is also writing of a kind, but not really),
the comic books to read, the non-graphic-art books to read (on
everything from Hermetic philosophy to Charles de Lint fantasy). And I
think some pressed flowers buried under a phone book somewhere. And
probably other crap I'm forgetting at the moment.
And heck, sometimes to avoid writing, I actually clean my apartment,
which is the series of rooms buried underneath all of the junk I just
listed.
Actually, reading through that it amazes me that I get any writing
done at all. So maybe I do better than I think. ^^
> At the
> moment, I have a half-dozen anime DVDs, a good dozen books
> (including a ruinously expensive trade paperback copy of
> P.C. Hodgell's _Seeker's Mask_, which I've been trying to
> obtain for a couple of years now), and three graphic novels
> waiting for me (not to mention a correspondence course and
> a bunch of overdue website updates)--it's such an embarassment
> of riches that I don't know where to start. And yet there I was this
> morning, half-asleep, trying to peg together bits of previous
> drafts of Chapter 2 of the damned nameless Yami no Matsuei
> fanfic sequel into something both readable and better-paced than
> the several previous attempts.
>
> Sometimes, having the habit of self-discipline really pisses me
> off. *Want* to read books! *Want* to watch DVDs!
> Unfortunately, I know that once I start, I'm not going to want
> to stop, and my boss would take a really dim view of "I
> spent the day reading" as an excuse for not showing up for
> work.
*nod* Wouldn't it be cool if you could tho?
<snip>
>>>>> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a
life. Anj &
> >> >> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships. But,
> >> >> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet people.
> >> >> ^_^
> >> >
> >> >I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
> >> >"relationships" you mention?)
> >>
> >> They really ought to establish zoos for all these endangered
> >> species--I don't think I've ever seen a "life", and I thought
> >> "relationships" were mythical.
> >
> >I'm fairly certain they're fictional... probably invented by another
> >writer who wondered what such a thing would be like.
>
> You might be right, at that. The money for the zoos is probably
> better spent on a "Save the Clues!" campaign, as clues still
> appear to be merely endangered in most parts of the world
Very good idea. I'll sign the petition if you make it.
<snip>
> >> I think one of the things that distinguishes the true writer from
> >> the wannabe is that the true writer always has more ideas than
> >> she knows what to do with.
> >
> >Oooh! Ooh! I guess I'm a true writer then. ^^ Part of my problem is as
> >soon as I start one story, an idea for another comes along. My
> >hardrive is filled with story and poem and essay fragments.
>
> Yup, sounds like you, too, have the disease. Welcome,
> comrade. ;)
>
> (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
*nod nod* Why do they want to write fanfic if it's not to get at least
some of the millions of ideas buzzing about in the mind out?
I do ask for suggestions when I get stuck (I have a bad habit of
getting stuck in character development and dialogue and forget to plan
out a long-term plot)... but flat out ideas? Nah.
<snip>
> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
> >
> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
>
> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
> him with to convince him to cooperate.
>
> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
>
> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
*l* If you're supposed to figure it out for yourself, where are you
supposed to get your inspiration from?
=====
Death Quaker
Death Quaker
> >
> > On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
> > >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
<snip>
> > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
>
> I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
> stopped practicing their arts.
Miki: It could happen... *deep sigh*
> For the painter, especially, I just
> can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
> me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
> head constantly.
Stop! Stop! You're making my sketchbook yell at me! (and I don't even
paint [on paper] I draw). I haven't taken it to the sculpture garden
all winter, and it's very grumpy.
DQ's Sketchbook: *muttering* 'It's too cold and wet' my ass.... you
just like that stupid model-painting hobby better than me now...
fickle bitch...
=====
Death Quaker
mi...@winternet.com
Okay, then explain why I was afraid to take physics in high school (did
just fine with biology and chemistry), yet I was in the advanced
placement mathematics, continued in math in college, and am in software
engineering now. I thought physics would be too hard.
>
> I wanted to take more classes in grad, but I unfortunately had neither
> the time nor money.
>
> I work for a university now tho... will I use my tuition remission
> benefit some day? Oh yes I will.
Yes you, will. We can then call you Dr. DQ.
>
> <snip>
>
> > > I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
> > > "relationships" you mention?)--I just have too many damn hobbies, and
> > > each one distracts me from the other. I've been working on trying to
> > > narrow down to working on only one or two. Right now those two are
> > > painting Warhammer models for a friend of mine (he compensates me for
> > > the work) and working on my Utena Website.
> >
> > Hobbies? What are those? ^_^
>
> They are the many activities which distract me from writing.
Yes.
>
> >Does posting to afu count as a hobby?
>
> Absolutely. It definitely is time consuming enough. ^^
Yes again.
>
> > > I'm hoping the latter will help me "window" back into writing more
> > > though--I'm planning on adding more content, including some fanfic
> > > hopefully, which will get me back into the writing swing. I have to
> > > finish upgrading the existing pages to the new template first,
> > > something that's feeling like it's taking forever.
> >
> > You'll get it - *envious of DQ & everyone who knows this html stuff and have
> > fantastic pages*
>
> You'll learn. I picked up HTML basically by having someone show me the
> very very basics and then just making it up as I went along. ^^
>
> Webmonkey's a good resource.
I could swear I read very recently that Webmonkey has finally closed its
doors. Something about it being absorbed by a commercial entity which
didn't want to support it? Anyway, let me offer instead my latest
favorite resource, the CSS Zen Garden. It also has numerous links to
other great resources. Thanks to this site, and its pointers, I've
evolved again as a web designer. Evolve, Laurie, evolve!
>
> > > Well, that and very recently I've had the very serious and very
> > > upsetting distraction of my apartment being broken into, but with the
> > > mess cleaned up and the matter being investigated, I'm actually
> > > determined to get back into my pursuits as a means of taking my life
> > > into my own hands again.
> >
> > *HUGSHUGSHUGSHUGSHUGS*
>
> Thanks. I need those.
(((*HUUUUGS*)))
This happened to me years ago, although the break-in was interrupted.
Didn't do anything for our peace of mind (me and my roommate back then).
>
> <snip>
> > >
> > > I like it!
> >
> > I'll add that to slickerty and tawdradize (to make tawdry)
>
> What does slickerty mean?
Tell us!
>
> > > > Write what you want - be it this story, or something else, be it Chapter
> > One
> > > > or Chapter Twelve. I'll now end before I go into full-tilt rah-rah go
> > write
> > > > mode. ^__^
> > >
> > > Hey, feel free. ^^
> > >
> > > In fact, can I hire you as my personal cheerleader? Wait, that sounds
> > > wrong... encouragement-provider... no.... erm... you know, nice
> > > energetic person who pushes you into being your best self when you're
> > > feeling down on yourself. I know there's a word for that...
> > >
> > > Ah, that's it! It's "Wakaba"! ^^
> >
> > LOL! That's me - I always like to encourage others and believe in them.
> > That's my strength; my weakness, like Wakaba's is that I feel "not as
> > special" as my cool friends (who, are truly much cooler than me - some of
> > them actually *do* have lives).
>
> *nod* I have friends like that. Stupid life-having friends. (But I
> loves them muchly)
I'm still trying to decide if I have a life or not. I'll let you know
if I ever figure it out.
>
> > But, I never, ever, never want an abusive
> > git like Saionji in my room. Okay, he's pretty and can be semi-thoughtful,
> > the jerk. ^^ I think that's why the Wakaba episode is my favorite of the
> > BR duellist's because I really empathize with her. *huggles Wakaba*
>
> *joins in the huggling*
Okay, let's be accurate. Saionji was never abusive to Wakaba. He did
not *try* to hurt her or control her. He was arrogant and thoughtlessly
cruel, but that's a different problem. Was she hurt just as much? Of
course. But I believe it's important to understand motivations if one
is trying to solve a problem.
Kevin Trainor
<mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message news:405A37EC...@winternet.com...
<snip>
a lot of his work on "disposable" laptops - older machines bought secondhand and
dragged outside. OTOH, he's also a firm believer in drafting detailed plots
longhand on legal pads.
> Cowzilla? Did you get a Gateway?
>
I did indeed. I was tempted to get a Dell, which would have been a lot cheaper,
but I succumbed to the lure of instant gratification since my student loan money
was burning a hole in my checkbook.
Affordable home computing is a wonderful thing. Affordable mobile computing is
even better...it's good to have a Notepad around when inspiration strikes.
> > > > >> [snip]
> >
> > > > [snip]
> > > > >> I think one of the things that distinguishes the true writer from
> > > > >> the wannabe is that the true writer always has more ideas than
> > > > >> she knows what to do with.
> > > > >
> > > > >Oooh! Ooh! I guess I'm a true writer then. ^^ Part of my problem is as
> > > > >soon as I start one story, an idea for another comes along. My
> > > > >hardrive is filled with story and poem and essay fragments.
> > > >
> > > > Yup, sounds like you, too, have the disease. Welcome,
> > > > comrade. ;)
> > >
> > > Yay! I've succumbed too. I have the added complication that sometimes
> > > an idea could manifest in different arts, and I have to decide first
> > > which one to do it in. Thankfully, enough does get decided that I can
> > > actually produce a few things. But I still feel confused and scattered
> > > frequently.
> > >
> > I think it's the nature of the artist.
>
> Exactly. That's why, for the two people I refer to below, I have come
> to think that they weren't really artists to begin with. I really think
> it's a basic temperamental drive, and not something one just "grows out
> of".
>
On the other hand, perhaps the problem is not a lack of ideas but a lack of
ideas that are as good as the first ones. They just don't want to admit that the
new ideas aren't as good as the first ones, so they pretend not to have any
ideas.
> >
> > > >
> > > > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > > > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > > > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
> > >
> > > I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> > > writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
> > > stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
> > > can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
> > > me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
> > > head constantly.
> > >
> > I'm not sure I understand this either, since I find an excess of inspiration
all
> > around me as I read more and see more, not just in anime and manga but in
the
> > world around me. Sometimes you can't make stuff up fast enough.
>
> Indeed. And that has also conditioned how I divide my time among my
> arts. For example, I've done pictoral quilts as well as the kinds of
> drawings you all have seen from me. But for an equivalent image, if I
> do it as a drawing or painting, it will be done much faster than if I do
> it as a quilt. So as much as I love the activity of quilting, the
> backlog of ideas sometimes kicks me into other activities.
>
It's been a bit frustrating for me of late since I don't have the tools to
convert some of my ideas into the form I want to express them in. i.e.music
videos. Maybe if I had learned to draw somewhere along the line (alas, even my
military map symbols look like they were drawn by a clumsy six-year-old) it
wouldn't be so bad, but as it is all I can do is write this stuff down and hope
I remember it later when I have the time and the tools.
sephigirl
news:405A6649...@winternet.com...
> Death Quaker wrote:
> >
> > "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
news:<40590...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > > "Death Quaker" <death...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > > "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > > > > "Death Quaker" <death...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message
> > > news:<4050f20d...@news.storm.ca>...
> > > > > > > On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:10:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >sephigirl wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > <snip>
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'll add that to slickerty and tawdradize (to make tawdry)
> >
> > What does slickerty mean?
>
> Tell us!
>
(adj) to be slick - as in "This icey sidewalk sure is slickerty." I have my
own vocabulary which I got to use for my heroine in my last book. Which was
fun since the love of her life was German and he believed in speaking every
language perfectly.
> >
<snip>
> >
> > > But, I never, ever, never want an abusive
> > > git like Saionji in my room. Okay, he's pretty and can be
semi-thoughtful,
> > > the jerk. ^^ I think that's why the Wakaba episode is my favorite
of the
> > > BR duellist's because I really empathize with her. *huggles Wakaba*
> >
> > *joins in the huggling*
>
> Okay, let's be accurate. Saionji was never abusive to Wakaba. He did
> not *try* to hurt her or control her. He was arrogant and thoughtlessly
> cruel, but that's a different problem. Was she hurt just as much? Of
> course. But I believe it's important to understand motivations if one
> is trying to solve a problem.
>
Well, then, there's the "letter" episode - while most of us would prolly say
Anthy posted Wakaba's letter to goad Utena, there's no actual proof - that
Saio did toss away the silly thing and is somewhat innocent. But - he may
have also played along with the knowledge that the letter would be seen and
therefore she would be humiliated. He did nothing about the letter being
posted. His whole attitude with Utena over the letter - I think there's
knowledge of it - he's either protecting Anthy (who found & posted it), or
himself (who either posted it or tossed it in a public place for others to
find). He's not so stupid as to realize that the writer (I dont' think
Wakaba's name is on it) wouldn't be mocked and therefore humiliated and
hurt.
And, I do believe he has to know she was a crush on him - if anything there
is the letter and the fact he's living with her. Did he show up or did she
find out and take him in? Who knows - either scenario works. Yet he asks
about Anthy, he tells Wakaba he made her a gift (which, right there makes
her cry) that he later denies to her. He's not that bright. But he has to
know he's at least toying with her. Saionji is as guilty as Touga or Akio
or Anthy for manipulating heart and emotions.
I do think he was rather "at peace" while he lived with Wakaba - no games,
no keeping on his toes, etc. But, in the end, she couldn't compete with his
ambition. And, to be honest, he is a student and he'd want to be
de-expelled. After all, his parents might wonder where their boy is. Too
bad the price was Wakaba's heart.
sephigirl
news:tvu6c.32258$Pa7.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
does
> a lot of his work on "disposable" laptops - older machines bought
secondhand and
> dragged outside. OTOH, he's also a firm believer in drafting detailed
plots
> longhand on legal pads.
Erg - how controlling. The fun part of writing is having your characters
take you places you never thought of. Sometimes you have to reel them in
but sometimes the sparks fly and your story flies away even higher and
brighter.
But all ideas are good - you build on them, meld them with others - it's
called "using your imagination." At least with writers I've met have a
practical exercise - choose a character - what's the worse that could
happen, what's the best? Now, write that character, in any scene through
every one's POV including his. Do the same scene, just chage the POV -
sometimes you learn about your main character, sometimes you learn about a
side character. Either way, it makes you pracitce and it starts the sparks.
Can this character be in another story? How?
I know this can be applied in music - and probably art. Manipulate,
extrapolate, create! *ahem* moving along . . . #^^#;;
>
> > > > > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > > > > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > > > > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . .
.)
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> > > > writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and
have
> > > > stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
> > > > can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all
around
> > > > me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over
the
> > > > head constantly.
> > > >
> > > I'm not sure I understand this either, since I find an excess of
inspiration
> all
> > > around me as I read more and see more, not just in anime and manga but
in
> the
> > > world around me. Sometimes you can't make stuff up fast enough.
> >
Ah, how horrible it would be to see things as they are and not see the
beauty and frustration in everything.
E. Liddell
The latter. I have a lovely skunk-on-a-rock sitting on top of a
bookshelf near my bedroom door, where it does double-duty as a
bookend.
[snip]
>> [snip]
>> >> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
>> >> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
>> >> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
>> >> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>> >> >
>> >> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
>> >> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
>> >>
>> >> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
>> >> him with to convince him to cooperate.
>> >
>> >What makes you think that he had time to do anything as conscious as
>> >decide to cooperate? ^^
>>
>> You don't know this Muse. He doesn't do anything that he doesn't
>> damned well want to, much to my constant irritation and consternation.
>
>I don't think you're alone. I have yet to hear of a pliable Muse.
Amen.
>> >> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
>> >> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
>> >> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
>> >> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
>> >> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
>> >> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
>> >>
>> >> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
>> >> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
>> >> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
>> >> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
>> >>
>> >I have no clue what my Muse looks like. Now that I think about it, my
>> >Muse isn't human--it's feline. My Mew-ss.
>>
>> And therefore, no doubt, susceptible to bribes of tuna and catnip.
>> Some people have all the luck . . .
>>
>
>And also salmon and cake donuts. But still stubborn as all get out, and
>works on *his* schedule.
And falls asleep when you're in the middle of doing something, no
doubt.
E. Liddell, whose non-Muse cat is once again curled up and snoring
E. Liddell
wrote:
>elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<4058d1dc...@news.storm.ca>...
>> On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
>> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
><snip>
>
>> >but since I'm a big
>> >computer gaming geek, I'll find that when I try to write, I suddenly
>> >get an urge to play one of my old ancient computer games that up until
>> >3 minutes beforehand I'd be utterly bored at the thought of playing
>> >again.
>>
>> Hey, at least that means that you're relatively consistent.
>
>*lol* Oh, hell no. That's just the "last barrier" so to speak, since
>the games are actually on my computer, right along with the word
>processor. Just one quick game of Nethack....
Oh, god, not you, too. I think I've got seven different
Roguelikes installed on the other computer--Nethack,
Slash'em, vanilla Angband, ZAngband, Dungeon Crawl,
Omega, and ADOM. Never finished any of them, but
every so often, something ends up summoning me back
to try again.
>No, beyond the computer games, there are my own stack of DVDs and VHSs
>(tho I don't have a DVD player anymore at the moment), the
>Playstation, the Warhammer models to assemble and paint (both my Utena
>model project as well as two projects I'm doing for a friend), the
>drawing, the mandolin, the violin (although I probably play that less
>often than I write), the music to listen to, the Website to update,
>the Play-by-E-mail roleplaying game to run (although that's writing in
>a sense, as we're basically doing a chain story with occasional die
>rolling for probability issues), the table-top roleplaying game I play
>every other weekend (although I'm also writing up my character
>background for that which is also writing of a kind, but not really),
>the comic books to read, the non-graphic-art books to read (on
>everything from Hermetic philosophy to Charles de Lint fantasy). And I
>think some pressed flowers buried under a phone book somewhere. And
>probably other crap I'm forgetting at the moment.
>
>And heck, sometimes to avoid writing, I actually clean my apartment,
>which is the series of rooms buried underneath all of the junk I just
>listed.
>
>Actually, reading through that it amazes me that I get any writing
>done at all. So maybe I do better than I think. ^^
Heh.
[snip]
>>>>>> Of course, the one downside to being a writer is the lack of a
>life. Anj &
>> >> >> I were just talking about both of us wanting to be in relationships. But,
>> >> >> when one spends their time inside writing, it's a tad hard to meet people.
>> >> >> ^_^
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't have much of a life either (and what is this strange word,
>> >> >"relationships" you mention?)
>> >>
>> >> They really ought to establish zoos for all these endangered
>> >> species--I don't think I've ever seen a "life", and I thought
>> >> "relationships" were mythical.
>> >
>> >I'm fairly certain they're fictional... probably invented by another
>> >writer who wondered what such a thing would be like.
>>
>> You might be right, at that. The money for the zoos is probably
>> better spent on a "Save the Clues!" campaign, as clues still
>> appear to be merely endangered in most parts of the world
>
>Very good idea. I'll sign the petition if you make it.
I'll hold you to that.
[snip]
><snip>
>
>> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
>> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
>> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
>> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>> >
>> >I haven't, unfortunately. From his description... you sure Katherine
>> >isn't keeping him hidden from you? ~_^
>>
>> <Sigh> She might be, at that. I hope she'll tell me what she bribed
>> him with to convince him to cooperate.
>>
>> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
>> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
>> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
>> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
>> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
>> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
>>
>> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
>> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
>> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
>> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
>
>*l* If you're supposed to figure it out for yourself, where are you
>supposed to get your inspiration from?
Unfortunately, the bastard seems better at churning out yaoi
lemons than he is at answering the questions I actually *want*
answered.
E. Liddell
<seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote:
From that, I suspect that the problem isn't really in the *amount*
of description that you're putting in at all--either you're describing
the wrong things, or you're subject to the same kind of pacing
screw-ups that tend to be my particular bane. Unfortunately,
if there's a way to fix the latter other than trial and error, I
haven't found it yet.
(What can I say--throwing around compeltely unfounded guesses
about the nature of other people's writing problems is a hobby
of mine. ~_^;; )
>> (I used to think that my first drafts were too sparsely written. Then
>> I figured out that what I was doing wrong with them was actually . . .
>> a lot more complicated.)
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >> <Sigh> Incidentally, has either of you seen a stray Muse wandering
>> >> around? He's a little over six feet tall and looks sort of like a
>> >> black-haired, green-eyed version of Touga who decided to
>> >> cosplay as Sephiroth . . .
>> >>
>> >As hentai as it sounds - I would like to take this time to thank you for
>the
>> >orgasm I had at work today, when I read this. ^__^
>>
>> Always glad to be of service. ;)
>>
>> >My God - I'm in lust - if I do find him - well, you may get him back but
>> >he'll be a bit . . . rumpled. ^_^ *off to have more fantasies about
>your
>> >muse*
>>
>> Heh. I ought to warn you, though, he has a bit of an attitude and is
>> rather prone to long sulks.
>
>Ah, so rather than lust for him - I'm now forced to fall head over heels in
>love with your Muse. ^__^ Does it get any better, broody, long, dark hair,
>Sephi cos-play, and an attitude? *swoon*
<Sigh> Just don't forget to make arrangements for him to commute,
okay? I *need* the bastard.
Death Quaker
Saionji says something along the lines of "If that stupid... I mean,
special letter provides some amusement to others, that's fine with
me."
(The dub explicitly has him say that he posted it, but I'm pretty sure
that's an ad lib... and their ad libs were not always accurate)
But even if he didn't actually post it, he didn't care that it was
posted and clearly states his disdain for the letter and its writer.
I doubt he's "protecting Anthy" -- even if she did post it (which I
personally doubt... her job in the Saionji situation was to be simply
as helpless and obviously victim as possible... but even though I
acknowledge Anthy as an expert manipulator, I think I give her a much
wider benefit of the doubt than most of you... and I think I'm one of
the few here that actually like her. *wry smile*)
> And, I do believe he has to know she was a crush on him - if anything there
> is the letter and the fact he's living with her. Did he show up or did she
> find out and take him in? Who knows - either scenario works. Yet he asks
> about Anthy, he tells Wakaba he made her a gift (which, right there makes
> her cry) that he later denies to her. He's not that bright. But he has to
> know he's at least toying with her. Saionji is as guilty as Touga or Akio
> or Anthy for manipulating heart and emotions.
You know, I don't know if he thinks he's toying with her. I just think
he's utterly oblivious to how deeply she cares for him--which in the
end is just as hurtful. I doubt he was even aware that she was the
writer of the "special" letter or would think to make a connection.
He is grateful to Wakaba--with the scene with him nearly in tears
thanking her--and that's why he's making the present for her. But in
the end he's distracted by his own ambition to hold true to the
gratitude--and yes, ultimately, he's used her. But I doubt he even
realizes that he could have hurt her so sorely. Saio's the type who
just doesn't realize anyone has feelings other than himself. It's that
type who can so obliviously wound Wakaba or slap Anthy around, because
he's only thinking about things in terms of how they affect him, and
not how they affect other people.
It's possible he seemed to learn not to trust people (Touga) long ago
and simply decided to look out for "number one" instead.
On a more positive reflection about the character, it's also clear he
felt he was imposing on Wakaba and perhaps thinks he was doing her a
favor by getting out of her hair. With his "honor" restored he no
longer had to bother the poor girl or rely upon her kindness...
In the end it boils down to him simply having no clue that he'd
crushed the girl's heart under his heel as if it were a bug.... or
ChuChu.
> I do think he was rather "at peace" while he lived with Wakaba - no games,
> no keeping on his toes, etc. But, in the end, she couldn't compete with his
> ambition. And, to be honest, he is a student and he'd want to be
> de-expelled. After all, his parents might wonder where their boy is. Too
> bad the price was Wakaba's heart.
*huggles Wakaba again*
=====
Death Quaker!
Death Quaker
> >
> > "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40590...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > > "Death Quaker" <death...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > > "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
> news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > > > > "Death Quaker" <death...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message
> news:<4050f20d...@news.storm.ca>...
> > > > > > > On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:10:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >sephigirl wrote:
<snip>
> > Kewl. In undergrad I took Physics as my science requirement. Everyone
> > was like, "Why don't you take [the basic wimpy "social" chemistry
> > course for wimpy humanities majors] instead?" Because physics was more
> > cool!!
>
> Okay, then explain why I was afraid to take physics in high school (did
> just fine with biology and chemistry), yet I was in the advanced
> placement mathematics, continued in math in college, and am in software
> engineering now. I thought physics would be too hard.
I have absolutely no idea. I've never taken math beyond high school
trigonometry and did just fine in physics. Not trying to brag here,
I'm just trying to put a perspective on it... my physics prof
complimented me that I should become a physicist because he felt I was
doing very well. I replied that I'm terrible at math but he said,
"That's meaningless. The important part is that you really understand
the concepts of what is going on." And this was in a class full of
science majors! Basically as far as I can tell I took a more wholistic
view of things and could picture the forces in motion and so forth, so
that even if I forgot to carry the two occasionally, he could tell I
was applying the right concept--that I knew what the little numbers
and letters represented and how it reflected something that happened
in real life. And the reason I _liked_ physics is that I enjoyed
studying those concepts, and just seeing how the universe interacted
with itself. And apparently that's what at least that physics prof
thought was important.
Now keep in mind, this was not "advanced physics for MENSA members."
It was the college introductory lecture and laboratory course--it was
a difficult class, but not for the experts. (I think you did have to
have taken physics in high school, which I had done.)
I think a lot of people think "physics is hard" without really knowing
why (which is not to say you do)... it has a kind of stigma to it.
I have no idea what your learning style is or what kind of things
interest you in science... you may well have done quite well and never
realized it. ^^ You certainly have taken lots of classes in math I'd
never even dream of attempting!
> > I wanted to take more classes in grad, but I unfortunately had neither
> > the time nor money.
> >
> > I work for a university now tho... will I use my tuition remission
> > benefit some day? Oh yes I will.
>
> Yes you, will. We can then call you Dr. DQ.
Hee! You know, with my Master's degree, I keep wanting everyone to
call me "Mistress" but no one ever takes it seriously... *sigh*
<snip>
> > You'll learn. I picked up HTML basically by having someone show me the
> > very very basics and then just making it up as I went along. ^^
> >
> > Webmonkey's a good resource.
>
> I could swear I read very recently that Webmonkey has finally closed its
> doors. Something about it being absorbed by a commercial entity which
> didn't want to support it?
yes, I went to webmonkey and found the link to the article:
http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,62300,00.html
I wonder if they'll leave what exists up or if it will be taken down
eventually.
That makes me said, I really liked Webmonkey. And they way they used
to plug it on Angelfire, you'd think Terra Lycos had been supporting
it more. That's a shame.
I also do know though that there's been lots of changes and upgrades
to Angelfire lately (and I imagine to other parts of TerraLycos)... I
guess they're really putting their money into supporting their Web
site services and such. But, being an Angelfire subscriber, it was
nice to have as a detailed and helpful site as Webmonkey a click away
from the Web shell. I guess they're just relying on their own smaller
HTML guides for user help now.
*sigh* TerraLycos and Angelfire have indeed become a lot more
corporatisized as time's gone on. Angelfire is lousy about
communicating with their customers, something they used to be quite
good about.
But they still offer some really good services out there, and have
vastly improved what one can access as a Web space subscriber.
> Anyway, let me offer instead my latest
> favorite resource, the CSS Zen Garden. It also has numerous links to
> other great resources. Thanks to this site, and its pointers, I've
> evolved again as a web designer. Evolve, Laurie, evolve!
>
> http://www.csszengarden.com/
Cool. I will learn css someday. After I finish my 600 other projects
on my list.
<snip>
=====
Death Quaker!
mi...@winternet.com
That's probably it--I thought, with absolutely no evidence, that the
concepts would be too hard for me. My upbringing taught me early if you
don't think you can succeed, don't even start.
>
> Now keep in mind, this was not "advanced physics for MENSA members."
> It was the college introductory lecture and laboratory course--it was
> a difficult class, but not for the experts. (I think you did have to
> have taken physics in high school, which I had done.)
>
> I think a lot of people think "physics is hard" without really knowing
> why (which is not to say you do)... it has a kind of stigma to it.
>
> I have no idea what your learning style is or what kind of things
> interest you in science... you may well have done quite well and never
> realized it. ^^ You certainly have taken lots of classes in math I'd
> never even dream of attempting!
Possibly so. I had a similar experience in graduate school, in the
class on Computer Vision. I struggled with the concepts, but managed to
pass. My professor thought I'd done quite well and wanted me to go on
in the field. But I opted instead for an area that I *knew* I both
enjoyed and understood--computational linguistics.
>
> > > I wanted to take more classes in grad, but I unfortunately had neither
> > > the time nor money.
> > >
> > > I work for a university now tho... will I use my tuition remission
> > > benefit some day? Oh yes I will.
> >
> > Yes you, will. We can then call you Dr. DQ.
>
> Hee! You know, with my Master's degree, I keep wanting everyone to
> call me "Mistress" but no one ever takes it seriously... *sigh*
I've tried this too, and it hasn't worked for me either. *pout*
mi...@winternet.com
>
> "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<405a7...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > <mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:405A6649...@winternet.com...
> > > Death Quaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
> > news:<40590...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > > > > "Death Quaker" <death...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > "sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
> > news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > > > > > > "Death Quaker" <death...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:d5fd9b46.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > > > elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message
> > news:<4050f20d...@news.storm.ca>...
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:10:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >sephigirl wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > <snip>
> > > >
I agree much more with DQ's interpretation. That's why I used the terms
I did, especially "thoughtlessly cruel". I don't think he knows or
cares that it was Wakaba who sent the letter. I'm not even sure he
knows who Wakaba *is* at that point. He's so wrapped up in his own
problems (rivalry with Touga, inability to get what he wants from Anthy)
that such a letter would seem like a pesky annoyance. He knows he's
being callous, but perhaps purposely so. Not to hurt per se, but to
tell whoever it was "go away and don't bother me". He probably thinks
that, for someone to write a letter like that, that if he showed the
slightest bit of what could be perceived as encouragement, that he'd
never get rid of them. And he doesn't want the distractions.
>
> I doubt he's "protecting Anthy" -- even if she did post it (which I
> personally doubt... her job in the Saionji situation was to be simply
> as helpless and obviously victim as possible... but even though I
> acknowledge Anthy as an expert manipulator, I think I give her a much
> wider benefit of the doubt than most of you... and I think I'm one of
> the few here that actually like her. *wry smile*)
I don't think Saionji is protecting Anthy either. I do think Anthy
posted the letter, but that Saionji is ignorant that she did so. When
Utena confronts him about it, a lot of what we see is bluster to cover
up the fact that he was careless, and then the factors that I cite
above.
>
> > And, I do believe he has to know she was a crush on him - if anything there
> > is the letter and the fact he's living with her. Did he show up or did she
> > find out and take him in? Who knows - either scenario works. Yet he asks
> > about Anthy, he tells Wakaba he made her a gift (which, right there makes
> > her cry) that he later denies to her. He's not that bright. But he has to
> > know he's at least toying with her. Saionji is as guilty as Touga or Akio
> > or Anthy for manipulating heart and emotions.
>
> You know, I don't know if he thinks he's toying with her. I just think
> he's utterly oblivious to how deeply she cares for him--which in the
> end is just as hurtful. I doubt he was even aware that she was the
> writer of the "special" letter or would think to make a connection.
This is what I think too.
>
> He is grateful to Wakaba--with the scene with him nearly in tears
> thanking her--and that's why he's making the present for her. But in
> the end he's distracted by his own ambition to hold true to the
> gratitude--and yes, ultimately, he's used her. But I doubt he even
> realizes that he could have hurt her so sorely. Saio's the type who
> just doesn't realize anyone has feelings other than himself. It's that
> type who can so obliviously wound Wakaba or slap Anthy around, because
> he's only thinking about things in terms of how they affect him, and
> not how they affect other people.
I don't think it's so much that he doesn't understand that others have
feelings, but that he doesn't get (or is afraid to accept) that some of
those feelings are directed towards him. And then there's the idea that
if he does realize how attracted Wakaba is to him, he doesn't know what
to do with it because (I think) he's not attracted to her in the same
way, and doesn't think that a simple "Sorry, I'm not interested" would
deter her. I mean, she's letting him live with her! My guess is he
first took her up on her offer out of desperation and appreciation for
her kindness. But gradually, it starts to dawn on him that it might be
a *lot* more on her part, and he panics. He has no idea how to get out
of it gracefully, so he successfully buries the intuition, and then ends
up hurting her instead when his ambitions take over again.
>
> It's possible he seemed to learn not to trust people (Touga) long ago
> and simply decided to look out for "number one" instead.
>
> On a more positive reflection about the character, it's also clear he
> felt he was imposing on Wakaba and perhaps thinks he was doing her a
> favor by getting out of her hair. With his "honor" restored he no
> longer had to bother the poor girl or rely upon her kindness...
>
> In the end it boils down to him simply having no clue that he'd
> crushed the girl's heart under his heel as if it were a bug.... or
> ChuChu.
Yup.
>
> > I do think he was rather "at peace" while he lived with Wakaba - no games,
> > no keeping on his toes, etc. But, in the end, she couldn't compete with his
> > ambition. And, to be honest, he is a student and he'd want to be
> > de-expelled. After all, his parents might wonder where their boy is. Too
> > bad the price was Wakaba's heart.
>
> *huggles Wakaba again*
>
*huggles Wakaba too*
Laurie
-- Saionj's Prince and Keeper
mi...@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~milo
mi...@winternet.com
>
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:47:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
>
> >"E. Liddell" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:33:01 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >"E. Liddell" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
> >> >> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> We need 72-hour days, or something. (I mean, if I could fit it in,
> >> I'd be taking lessons in drawing, Japanese, and possibly woodworking,
> >> learning a couple of additional programming languages, attempting to
> >> paint a portrait of my cat on a rock, writing my own email app and
> >> that Java framework for FF-like RPGs that I've been thinking about
> >> for several years . . . stuff like that.)
> >
> >So does this mean a portrait of your cat while it's sitting on a rock,
> >or a rock used as the canvas for a portrait of your cat?
>
> The latter. I have a lovely skunk-on-a-rock sitting on top of a
> bookshelf near my bedroom door, where it does double-duty as a
> bookend.
So what do you use to paint on rocks? Acrylic?
Yes, and then puts me asleep by casting sleep waves. He wants a human
to rest on.
mi...@winternet.com
>
> "Kevin Trainor" <kevint...@diespammersdie.att.net> wrote in message
> news:tvu6c.32258$Pa7.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > <mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message
> news:405A37EC...@winternet.com...
> > <snip>
> >
> > >
> > I agree - it's a good solution if you can afford it. Likewise, David Drake
> does
> > a lot of his work on "disposable" laptops - older machines bought
> secondhand and
> > dragged outside. OTOH, he's also a firm believer in drafting detailed
> plots
> > longhand on legal pads.
>
> Erg - how controlling. The fun part of writing is having your characters
> take you places you never thought of. Sometimes you have to reel them in
> but sometimes the sparks fly and your story flies away even higher and
> brighter.
I do a combination of both. Initially, my characters will run wild in
my head for a long while, and eventually interesting bits start rising
to the surface, bits I think I could do something with. When enough of
those emerge, I start plotting in longhand in a sort of
"proof-of-concept" (hey, I'm an engineer, right?) to see if it will make
a story, or if I have to let it ferment further.
This sounds like a great exercise. I bet it would work in art too.
> >
> > > > > > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > > > > > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > > > > > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . .
> .)
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> > > > > writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and
> have
> > > > > stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
> > > > > can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all
> around
> > > > > me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over
> the
> > > > > head constantly.
> > > > >
> > > > I'm not sure I understand this either, since I find an excess of
> inspiration
> > all
> > > > around me as I read more and see more, not just in anime and manga but
> in
> > the
> > > > world around me. Sometimes you can't make stuff up fast enough.
> > >
> Ah, how horrible it would be to see things as they are and not see the
> beauty and frustration in everything.
>
And I have to admit, I do pick up ideas from other people, from things
they say. But when that happens, I always ask if I can use the idea for
a story. Most of these are from my friends who are highly amused by
what results.
mi...@winternet.com
>
> mi...@winternet.com wrote in message news:<40590A5D...@winternet.com>...
> > "E. Liddell" wrote:
> > >
> > > On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
> > > >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
>
> <snip>
>
> > > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
> >
> > I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> > writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
> > stopped practicing their arts.
>
> Miki: It could happen... *deep sigh*
Now Miki, that's not your situation at all. You may be experiencing
creative blockage, but you haven't stopped playing the piano. It may
feel that you're not achieving what you want, but you haven't stopped
practicing either. The writer said to me "I have no more stories to
tell" so she didn't write any more.
>
> > For the painter, especially, I just
> > can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
> > me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
> > head constantly.
>
> Stop! Stop! You're making my sketchbook yell at me! (and I don't even
> paint [on paper] I draw). I haven't taken it to the sculpture garden
> all winter, and it's very grumpy.
>
> DQ's Sketchbook: *muttering* 'It's too cold and wet' my ass.... you
> just like that stupid model-painting hobby better than me now...
> fickle bitch...
>
I've been touching mine just enough to keep 'em quiet. Although I'm
really stretching it with the lemon sketchbook. And I don't want to
hear *what* it will yell ...
Kevin Trainor
> > <snip>
> >
> > >
> > I agree - it's a good solution if you can afford it. Likewise, David Drake
> does a lot of his work on "disposable" laptops - older machines bought
> secondhand and dragged outside. OTOH, he's also a firm believer in drafting
detailed
> plots longhand on legal pads.
>
> Erg - how controlling. The fun part of writing is having your characters
> take you places you never thought of. Sometimes you have to reel them in
> but sometimes the sparks fly and your story flies away even higher and
> brighter.
>
especially since he does a lot of collaborative works with other authors, They
all speak in glowing terms about having the detailed plot & background to work
with. OTOH, I've had the experience you're talking about with some of my
fanfics, as well as the thing I'm working on now.
Well, I know this, and you know this, but some people want the ideas to all be
good and usable right out of the box. They don't want to have to poke and frob
and twist the idea to get it to work right, and as we both know, sometimes the
ideas aren't ready to roll right away.
> I know this can be applied in music - and probably art. Manipulate,
> extrapolate, create! *ahem* moving along . . . #^^#;;
>
*nods nods* Yeah.
> > > > > > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > > > > > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > > > > > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . .
> .)
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> > > > > writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and
> have stopped practicing their arts. For the painter, especially, I just
> > > > > can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all
> around me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over
> the head constantly.
> > > > >
> > > > I'm not sure I understand this either, since I find an excess of
> inspiration all around me as I read more and see more, not just in anime and
manga but
> in the world around me. Sometimes you can't make stuff up fast enough.
> > >
> Ah, how horrible it would be to see things as they are and not see the
> beauty and frustration in everything.
>
Sometimes you *have* to see things clearly in order to understand the beauty and
the frustration.
E. Liddell
>"E. Liddell" wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:47:19 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
>>
>> >"E. Liddell" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:33:01 -0600, mi...@winternet.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"E. Liddell" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
>> >> >> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> [snip]
>> >>
>> >> We need 72-hour days, or something. (I mean, if I could fit it in,
>> >> I'd be taking lessons in drawing, Japanese, and possibly woodworking,
>> >> learning a couple of additional programming languages, attempting to
>> >> paint a portrait of my cat on a rock, writing my own email app and
>> >> that Java framework for FF-like RPGs that I've been thinking about
>> >> for several years . . . stuff like that.)
>> >
>> >So does this mean a portrait of your cat while it's sitting on a rock,
>> >or a rock used as the canvas for a portrait of your cat?
>>
>> The latter. I have a lovely skunk-on-a-rock sitting on top of a
>> bookshelf near my bedroom door, where it does double-duty as a
>> bookend.
>
>So what do you use to paint on rocks? Acrylic?
Generally, yes.
[snip]
>> >> >> >My muse is right here. Unfortunately, due to a contractual mix-up,
>> >> >> >she's Terpsichore, the Muse of Dance, and is new to this whole
>> >> >> >"expression with words" thing (and Nanami the Cow is more destined to
>> >> >> >be a dancer than I am). We've been working on it though... I put on
>> >> >> >music and she tries to come up with a new "fast-finger keyboard
>> >> >> >dance"... it's slow going but we'll get there one day.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Heh. Well, at least you *know* there was a contractual
>> >> >> mix-up. Whenever I try to ask my Muse whether the union
>> >> >> rules really allow sword-toting young men in trench coats and
>> >> >> black leather to be Muses, he just gives me this *look* . . .
>> >> >>
>> >> >I have no clue what my Muse looks like. Now that I think about it, my
>> >> >Muse isn't human--it's feline. My Mew-ss.
>> >>
>> >> And therefore, no doubt, susceptible to bribes of tuna and catnip.
>> >> Some people have all the luck . . .
>> >>
>> >
>> >And also salmon and cake donuts. But still stubborn as all get out, and
>> >works on *his* schedule.
>>
>> And falls asleep when you're in the middle of doing something, no
>> doubt.
>>
>
>Yes, and then puts me asleep by casting sleep waves. He wants a human
>to rest on.
<Laughs> Definitely still a cat, despite also being a Muse.
E. Liddell
sephigirl
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:54:39 -0600, "sephigirl"
> <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote:
>
> >"E. Liddell" <elid...@no.patience.for.spam> wrote in message
> >news:4059c5b2...@news.storm.ca...
> >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:05:13 -0600, "sephigirl"
> >> <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"E. Liddell" <elid...@no.patience.for.spam> wrote in message
> >> >news:405790f7...@news.storm.ca...
> >> >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death
Quaker)
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> >> >> [snip]
> >> >> >> Now, I
> >> >>
> >> >
It's a good hobby too. ^_^ Actually, thank God, my pacing is the one
thing they never fault. Which I'm grateful for. My biggest mistake, when I
started, was POV shifts. Now I'm the holy terror in the group on catching,
mentioning POV shifts. Now, I'd say it's the need to go deeper (heh - for
lack of a better word) into the character.
Well, I'm trying to draw out a mutually acceptable contract wherein he's
your Muse, primarily of course, since he is *yours* but he'll also moonlight
as my Fantasy. ^_^
Kevin Trainor
<snip>
So you think he sees Mikage's offer as a way out of situation where he feels
over his head? I'd buy that. It also makes the scene where Wakaba rips his soul
sword out of him all the more poignant. "That's all right. I've got something
better." Brrrr. Wakaba-chan no hidoi...
> >
> > It's possible he seemed to learn not to trust people (Touga) long ago
> > and simply decided to look out for "number one" instead.
> >
> > On a more positive reflection about the character, it's also clear he
> > felt he was imposing on Wakaba and perhaps thinks he was doing her a
> > favor by getting out of her hair. With his "honor" restored he no
> > longer had to bother the poor girl or rely upon her kindness...
> >
> > In the end it boils down to him simply having no clue that he'd
> > crushed the girl's heart under his heel as if it were a bug.... or
> > ChuChu.
>
> Yup.
>
> >
> > > I do think he was rather "at peace" while he lived with Wakaba - no games,
> > > no keeping on his toes, etc. But, in the end, she couldn't compete with
his
> > > ambition. And, to be honest, he is a student and he'd want to be
> > > de-expelled. After all, his parents might wonder where their boy is. Too
> > > bad the price was Wakaba's heart.
> >
> > *huggles Wakaba again*
> >
>
> *huggles Wakaba too*
>
I would, but she's a little young for me. ^__^
This is part of the reason I hang around AFU, you know? Yeah, there's a lot of
OT noise (mostly fun) and posts I don't really care about, but every so often we
get down with the characters and do some serious discussion of why they do the
things they do. I love it. It's like being at a convention without having to pay
for a membership.
mi...@winternet.com
>
> <mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message news:405B92BB...@winternet.com...
> <snip>
> > >
Hm, I hadn't thought of that. I agree that it may be a contributing
factor, but still probably not his primary motive at that point.
<snip>
> > >
> > > > I do think he was rather "at peace" while he lived with Wakaba - no games,
> > > > no keeping on his toes, etc. But, in the end, she couldn't compete with
> his
> > > > ambition. And, to be honest, he is a student and he'd want to be
> > > > de-expelled. After all, his parents might wonder where their boy is. Too
> > > > bad the price was Wakaba's heart.
> > >
> > > *huggles Wakaba again*
> > >
> >
> > *huggles Wakaba too*
> >
> I would, but she's a little young for me. ^__^
> This is part of the reason I hang around AFU, you know? Yeah, there's a lot of
> OT noise (mostly fun) and posts I don't really care about, but every so often we
> get down with the characters and do some serious discussion of why they do the
> things they do. I love it. It's like being at a convention without having to pay
> for a membership.
>
Yeah, or for having no time to go to conventions.
Laurie
-- Saionji's Prince and Keeper
mi...@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~milo
Kevin Trainor
<mi...@winternet.com> wrote in message news:405DD44E...@winternet.com...
Being on staff adds more compulsion...
Death Quaker
I understand--it's hard to take on something when you don't know what
to expect.
I didn't know what to expect in that class but I was interested enough
I figured I'd try it--there was always add-drop if necessary, although
I hated add-dropping if I could avoid it if at all possible.
> > Now keep in mind, this was not "advanced physics for MENSA members."
> > It was the college introductory lecture and laboratory course--it was
> > a difficult class, but not for the experts. (I think you did have to
> > have taken physics in high school, which I had done.)
> >
> > I think a lot of people think "physics is hard" without really knowing
> > why (which is not to say you do)... it has a kind of stigma to it.
> >
> > I have no idea what your learning style is or what kind of things
> > interest you in science... you may well have done quite well and never
> > realized it. ^^ You certainly have taken lots of classes in math I'd
> > never even dream of attempting!
>
> Possibly so. I had a similar experience in graduate school, in the
> class on Computer Vision. I struggled with the concepts, but managed to
> pass. My professor thought I'd done quite well and wanted me to go on
> in the field. But I opted instead for an area that I *knew* I both
> enjoyed and understood--computational linguistics.
Oooh, that sounds neat. I've always wanted to take linguistics... of
any sort... and never found the chance. I think patterns in language
are so fascinating! I'd like to actually study linguistics some day...
maybe if the local university offers a course in summer I'll take it.
> > > > I wanted to take more classes in grad, but I unfortunately had neither
> > > > the time nor money.
> > > >
> > > > I work for a university now tho... will I use my tuition remission
> > > > benefit some day? Oh yes I will.
> > >
> > > Yes you, will. We can then call you Dr. DQ.
> >
> > Hee! You know, with my Master's degree, I keep wanting everyone to
> > call me "Mistress" but no one ever takes it seriously... *sigh*
>
> I've tried this too, and it hasn't worked for me either. *pout*
We should start a club. Power in numbers! MISTRESS to oyobi! *cracks
whip*
Heh... getting carried away. ^^;
~_^
Death Quaker
> Death Quaker wrote:
> >
> > mi...@winternet.com wrote in message news:<40590A5D...@winternet.com>...
> > > "E. Liddell" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 17 Mar 2004 08:44:56 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405790f7...@news.storm.ca>...
> > > > >> On 16 Mar 2004 08:58:39 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >"sephigirl" <seph...@inebraskasucks.com> wrote in message news:<40567...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > (What I really can't understand is the people I occasionally see
> > > > who claim to be fanfic writers but are continually asking other
> > > > people for ideas because they don't have enough of their own . . .)
> > >
> > > I don't understand this at all. Then, I've known two people, one a
> > > writer and one an painter, who claim to have run out of ideas, and have
> > > stopped practicing their arts.
> >
> > Miki: It could happen... *deep sigh*
>
> Now Miki, that's not your situation at all. You may be experiencing
> creative blockage, but you haven't stopped playing the piano. It may
> feel that you're not achieving what you want, but you haven't stopped
> practicing either.
That's true. He'll find his Shining Thing someday. *sings her Miki
cheerleading song* Oh-Mi-ki-you're-the-king-hope-you-find-your-shin-ing-thing,
Hey Miki! Hey Miki!
> The writer said to me "I have no more stories to
> tell" so she didn't write any more.
That's sad.
I can understand... maybe... a hiatus... I mean, I used to write songs
but haven't done so in a long time (but partly because I have other
creative outlets that I'm engaging at this point)... and I know I will
write them again. But just stopping? That... that just.... yikes. The
concept of that is... painful to me.
> > > For the painter, especially, I just
> > > can't understand, as I am always seeing cool things to paint all around
> > > me. I don't have to seek them out, they run up and whack me over the
> > > head constantly.
> >
> > Stop! Stop! You're making my sketchbook yell at me! (and I don't even
> > paint [on paper] I draw). I haven't taken it to the sculpture garden
> > all winter, and it's very grumpy.
> >
> > DQ's Sketchbook: *muttering* 'It's too cold and wet' my ass.... you
> > just like that stupid model-painting hobby better than me now...
> > fickle bitch...
> >
>
> I've been touching mine just enough to keep 'em quiet. Although I'm
> really stretching it with the lemon sketchbook. And I don't want to
> hear *what* it will yell ...
*lol*
=====
Death Quaker!
Death Quaker
*nod* I only have Nethack on my comp (but have played others)... I got
hooked to it almost ten years ago and every once in awhile attempt to
brave the Dungeons of Doom again.
I admit I "cheated" (copied my save game) so I could play to the end,
just to see what it was like. I don't think anyone's ever won the game
legit.
<snip>
> >> You might be right, at that. The money for the zoos is probably
> >> better spent on a "Save the Clues!" campaign, as clues still
> >> appear to be merely endangered in most parts of the world
> >
> >Very good idea. I'll sign the petition if you make it.
>
> I'll hold you to that.
Feel free. ^^
<snip>
> >*l* If you're supposed to figure it out for yourself, where are you
> >supposed to get your inspiration from?
>
> Unfortunately, the bastard seems better at churning out yaoi
> lemons than he is at answering the questions I actually *want*
> answered.
Oh I understand that. I've had some great ideas for some stories that
were supposed to be very serious character explorations that descended
quickly into pervy (usually yuri) nonsense.
=====
Death Quaker!
E. Liddell
wrote:
>elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<405b0f98...@news.storm.ca>...
>> On 18 Mar 2004 19:02:03 -0800, death...@hotmail.com (Death Quaker)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >elid...@no.patience.for.spam (E. Liddell) wrote in message news:<4058d1dc...@news.storm.ca>...
>> >>
<snip>
>> >Just one quick game of Nethack....
>>
>> Oh, god, not you, too. I think I've got seven different
>> Roguelikes installed on the other computer--Nethack,
>> Slash'em, vanilla Angband, ZAngband, Dungeon Crawl,
>> Omega, and ADOM. Never finished any of them, but
>> every so often, something ends up summoning me back
>> to try again.
>
>*nod* I only have Nethack on my comp (but have played others)... I got
>hooked to it almost ten years ago and every once in awhile attempt to
>brave the Dungeons of Doom again.
>
>I admit I "cheated" (copied my save game) so I could play to the end,
>just to see what it was like. I don't think anyone's ever won the game
>legit.
<Wry grin> I suspect someone must have won it legitimately
at some point in history (probably a male college computer geek
with no social life), but despite doing nasty things with save files
and explore mode on those games that have it, I just can't stay
interested long enough to finish any given Roguelike, although I
always seem to end up going back to ADOM eventually, for some
reason.
<snip>
>> >*l* If you're supposed to figure it out for yourself, where are you
>> >supposed to get your inspiration from?
>>
>> Unfortunately, the bastard seems better at churning out yaoi
>> lemons than he is at answering the questions I actually *want*
>> answered.
>
>Oh I understand that. I've had some great ideas for some stories that
>were supposed to be very serious character explorations that descended
>quickly into pervy (usually yuri) nonsense.
My problem is that even the serious character explorations tend
to be yaoi from the start. Like the YnM one I'm working on
now--graphic yaoi, character exploration, and angst, all wrapped
around an action plot and crammed into one bloody messy
package.
E. Liddell (Y'know, I might actually make the stats list in some
position other than tied-for-dead-last this month . . .)
mi...@winternet.com
They were just playing this on the radio on my way home, so your version
is bouncing about in my skull just fine. Like I can't listen to a
certain Police number without hearing "King of Suede".
>
> > The writer said to me "I have no more stories to
> > tell" so she didn't write any more.
>
> That's sad.
>
> I can understand... maybe... a hiatus... I mean, I used to write songs
> but haven't done so in a long time (but partly because I have other
> creative outlets that I'm engaging at this point)... and I know I will
> write them again. But just stopping? That... that just.... yikes. The
> concept of that is... painful to me.
Exactly. It was, and still is, just incomprehensible to me. Then
again, most of the stories from that writer that I can recall were only
thinly-disguised SIs, although it's taken me a while to realize it.
Cynical, me? Oh, never. -_-
<snip>
Chris Kern
posted the following:
>Saionji says something along the lines of "If that stupid... I mean,
>special letter provides some amusement to others, that's fine with
>me."
>
>(The dub explicitly has him say that he posted it, but I'm pretty sure
>that's an ad lib... and their ad libs were not always accurate)
Let's see. The Japanese line is "shikashi naruhodo na. anna baka na,
iya, yukai na tegami wa minna de tanoshimu no wa ichiban tsukaimichi
da."
I would translate that as "But wait, now I know what you're talking
about. The best use for that stupid...er, pleasant letter was to
provide amusement for everyone."
>I doubt he's "protecting Anthy" -- even if she did post it (which I
>personally doubt... her job in the Saionji situation was to be simply
>as helpless and obviously victim as possible... but even though I
>acknowledge Anthy as an expert manipulator, I think I give her a much
>wider benefit of the doubt than most of you... and I think I'm one of
>the few here that actually like her. *wry smile*)
It sounds to me like Saionji was the one who posted it, but it
certainly could have been at the suggestion of Anthy.
-Chris
AFU no Akio -- Keeper of his Ideals
sephigirl
er, firey scene, the end (I like the end, and I can't believe I wrote the
end without having the rest done), the first sex scene, the "I saw them
kissing in the greenhouse" scene and part of the tea scene - 10-20 pages or
more to go and the first draft will be done!
Had to say something - I'm so happy I actually worked on a fanfic this much
in one night! *huggles my inspiration*
Mikage: Snookums! How could I inspire that? Not that I'm complaining . . .
mi...@winternet.com
>
> Whee hoo! Got 10 pages down on my Nemuro fic tonight - the beginning, the,
> er, firey scene, the end (I like the end, and I can't believe I wrote the
> end without having the rest done), the first sex scene, the "I saw them
> kissing in the greenhouse" scene and part of the tea scene - 10-20 pages or
> more to go and the first draft will be done!
Yahoo! I so want to see this.
I didn't do nearly this much on mine, but did do some, which is better
than none.
>
> Had to say something - I'm so happy I actually worked on a fanfic this much
> in one night! *huggles my inspiration*
>
> Mikage: Snookums! How could I inspire that? Not that I'm complaining . . .
>
Um, she said she was writing sex scenes, right? That means she'll find
you inspirational.
sephigirl
> sephigirl wrote:
> >
> > Whee hoo! Got 10 pages down on my Nemuro fic tonight - the beginning,
the,
> > er, firey scene, the end (I like the end, and I can't believe I wrote
the
> > end without having the rest done), the first sex scene, the "I saw them
> > kissing in the greenhouse" scene and part of the tea scene - 10-20
pages or
> > more to go and the first draft will be done!
>
> Yahoo! I so want to see this.
>
> I didn't do nearly this much on mine, but did do some, which is better
> than none.
>
them - it all counts. I've created entrie scenes for this fic that will
never be used since the entire fic is in Nemuro's POV so any outside scenes
with Tokiko & Akio will have to be implied. But that's okay - it helps set
up the fic. As long as the mind's busy - it's all good.
> >
> > Had to say something - I'm so happy I actually worked on a fanfic this
much
> > in one night! *huggles my inspiration*
> >
> > Mikage: Snookums! How could I inspire that? Not that I'm complaining .
. .
> >
>
> Um, she said she was writing sex scenes, right? That means she'll find
> you inspirational.
>
Laurie: I try to help. I really do.
Mikage: I can't wait to read the sex scenes then.
Katherine: Erm . . . Well . . . Nemuro's not that good, you see, and . .
.
Mikage: Are you saying _I'm_ not that good?
Katherine: Eep.
Kevin Trainor
> Whee hoo! Got 10 pages down on my Nemuro fic tonight - the beginning, the,
> er, firey scene, the end (I like the end, and I can't believe I wrote the
> end without having the rest done), the first sex scene, the "I saw them
> kissing in the greenhouse" scene and part of the tea scene - 10-20 pages or
> more to go and the first draft will be done!
>
> Had to say something - I'm so happy I actually worked on a fanfic this much
> in one night! *huggles my inspiration*
>
> Mikage: Snookums! How could I inspire that? Not that I'm complaining . . .
>
...off to Anime Detour for the weekend...
Jiras Corrino
>From: Chris Kern chris...@yahoo.com
>Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2004 9:43 PM
>Message-id: <lo8v50l4ra0iklmh4...@4ax.com>
It's not impossible, but I doubt it. The way the dynamics of Anthy's engagement
to Saionji worked makes it seem unlikely that they would ever do something like
conspire to make Wakaba miserable. Anthy was always very passive with Saionji,
so I can't see her ever doing something that proactive with him. In my opinion,
either Anthy posted it behind Saionji's back (as a Passive-Agressive person
would do) or Saionji posted it himself, so show his disdain as The Engaged One
for the affections of a mere commoner. Given Saionji's attitude, it seems like
the latter is the more likely scenario.
Jiras Corrino aka Olo Moss of Lake-by-Downs
afu no Chuchu
afu no Mikage's Elevator
Proud Member, Wakaba Genki Preservation Society!
Pro-Shiorist and PROUD!