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Finally I am back on Usenet the past few months,, been overposting in old dead stomping grounds
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Christian Mumford
Mar 26, 2023, 10:07:31 AM3/26/23
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Hi,
back between 1996-2006 cirka i was active in groups like alt.music.spacerock, rec.music.progressive, alt.punk, alt.gothic, alt.drugs etc and used often the x-no-archive:yes in header so lots of it isn't archived. I also did lots of trades and met people via Usenet and my first website up on EUnet.no later mirrored / moved to Tripod (search "Hawkwind's Electric Library") was proclaimed "ugliest website on the internet" by someone in alt.gothic in 2000 when i put it on Tripod and worked on expanding it alot with my HTML on my Windows 95 and Windows XP machines... I used to sit on FTP and upload via NASA. I also was active in alt.books.moorcock and alt.books.kurt-vonnegut. It is all died down now, i was tipped to this NG by someone in the alt.music.blackmetal (I think) group just 10 hours ago... a follow up on an old thread i replied to recently. I guess everyone uses Chillax etc crap apps on Android phones etc for binaries but that is KRAP. Thanks for your attention.. Christian (now on Googlegroups in Gmail)
back between 1996-2006 cirka i was active in groups like alt.music.spacerock, rec.music.progressive, alt.punk, alt.gothic, alt.drugs etc and used often the x-no-archive:yes in header so lots of it isn't archived. I also did lots of trades and met people via Usenet and my first website up on EUnet.no later mirrored / moved to Tripod (search "Hawkwind's Electric Library") was proclaimed "ugliest website on the internet" by someone in alt.gothic in 2000 when i put it on Tripod and worked on expanding it alot with my HTML on my Windows 95 and Windows XP machines... I used to sit on FTP and upload via NASA. I also was active in alt.books.moorcock and alt.books.kurt-vonnegut. It is all died down now, i was tipped to this NG by someone in the alt.music.blackmetal (I think) group just 10 hours ago... a follow up on an old thread i replied to recently. I guess everyone uses Chillax etc crap apps on Android phones etc for binaries but that is KRAP. Thanks for your attention.. Christian (now on Googlegroups in Gmail)
Michael P. O'Connor
Jun 13, 2023, 6:29:37 AM6/13/23
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active groups. Sad to see not many use Usenet much anymore, I hope that
changes and people rediscover Usenet again.
--Michael
Frank Slootweg
Jun 13, 2023, 8:05:08 AM6/13/23
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Michael P. O'Connor <mp...@mikeoconnor.net> wrote:
[...]
> I been lurking around on Usenet for a few months now, hoping to find
> active groups. Sad to see not many use Usenet much anymore, I hope that
> changes and people rediscover Usenet again.
"active groups" of course largely depends on your interests. For
example for me, the Windows an Android groups are quite active. (Let me
know if you need some group names.)
Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet since
a little over four decades). And there are also some 'youngsters' (in
Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his age) is 46.
Bottom line: Don't dispair, just look for some relatively active
groups and enjoy the exchanges. The number of posters/posts is not
important, just their 'quality', entertainment value, <whatever>.
[...]
> I been lurking around on Usenet for a few months now, hoping to find
> active groups. Sad to see not many use Usenet much anymore, I hope that
> changes and people rediscover Usenet again.
example for me, the Windows an Android groups are quite active. (Let me
know if you need some group names.)
Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet since
a little over four decades). And there are also some 'youngsters' (in
Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his age) is 46.
Bottom line: Don't dispair, just look for some relatively active
groups and enjoy the exchanges. The number of posters/posts is not
important, just their 'quality', entertainment value, <whatever>.
Michael P. O'Connor
Jun 13, 2023, 8:26:21 AM6/13/23
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 12:05:06 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Michael P. O'Connor <mp...@mikeoconnor.net> wrote:
> [...]
> Michael P. O'Connor <mp...@mikeoconnor.net> wrote:
> [...]
> "active groups" of course largely depends on your interests. For
> example for me, the Windows an Android groups are quite active. (Let me
> know if you need some group names.)
>
> example for me, the Windows an Android groups are quite active. (Let me
> know if you need some group names.)
>
> Bottom line: Don't dispair, just look for some relatively active
> groups and enjoy the exchanges. The number of posters/posts is not
> important, just their 'quality', entertainment value, <whatever>.
First, 46 young I like hearing that (Nov of 1976 was when I was born)
> groups and enjoy the exchanges. The number of posters/posts is not
> important, just their 'quality', entertainment value, <whatever>.
Second I will take you up on that offer, I been looking around for video
game, board game, sci-fi groups. And your suggestion for Android groups
would be good too.
Thanks I do appreciate it
--Michael
Frank Slootweg
Jun 13, 2023, 11:02:32 AM6/13/23
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As to the others, I suggest you try to use some pattern/keyword when
trying the 'subscribe' feature of your newsreader. (I've never used Pan,
so I can't help with detailed instructions.)
For example Thunderbird has a box 'Show items that contain:' for
searching the newsgroups list of the server.
When I search for "contains: game" in my newsreader (Hamster), my
NSP's (News Service Provider) (News.Indididual.Net) news-server gives
a list of 1521 groups (with their description, if any). 'scifi' gives 14
and sci-fi gives another 13.
'official' lists of alt groups are hard to get, as alt is unofficial
by nature. (If anyone has some pointers on these, please post them.)
The list of Big Eight newsgroups (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*,
news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, and talk.*), with their one-line
descriptions, are regularly (cross-)posted to the newsgroups
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.lists.misc, so if you subscribe
to one or more of these groups, you will get it. It probably also is on
some website, but I don't have that handy as I don't need it.
Happy group hunting!
Apd
Jun 13, 2023, 12:23:42 PM6/13/23
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"Frank Slootweg" wrote:
> 'official' lists of alt groups are hard to get, as alt is unofficial
> by nature. (If anyone has some pointers on these, please post them.)
The ISC maintain a list of goups for the big 8, alt, free, country
> 'official' lists of alt groups are hard to get, as alt is unofficial
> by nature. (If anyone has some pointers on these, please post them.)
specific groups, etc. for which they have control messages. This is
about as official as it gets:
https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/
(also reachable by FTP)
Unfortunately, "active" doesn't contain the article count for each but
"newsgroups" has the descriptions. Not all news servers will carry
every group and there is at least one very active group with no
control message that doesn't appear in the lists.
Rayner Lucas
Jun 13, 2023, 12:46:23 PM6/13/23
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In article <LfZhM.55255$hl93....@fx18.iad>, mp...@mikeoconnor.net
says...
Heh, well, I'm 43 and first started reading Usenet in the late 90s. I'm
happy that it still has loyal posters, and just wish there were easier
ways for new users to stumble across it.
It's true that a lot of formerly lively groups have gone quiet, but
there are still some busy ones.
Possibly relevant to your interests:
- rec.arts.sf.written gets a healthy amount of discussion, if you
haven't found that one yet.
- rec.arts.drwho gets lots of messages, but you'll probably need
your killfile.
- rec.games.board is very quiet, but I suspect there are still some
lurkers who could be coaxed out with some on-topic posts.
- rec.games.backgammon seems to have a small but active community.
Some of the programming groups are also active, for example
comp.lang.python and comp.lang.c.
rec.arts.cooking was also remarkably busy last time I looked.
Hope that gives you some useful pointers.
Regards,
Rayner
says...
happy that it still has loyal posters, and just wish there were easier
ways for new users to stumble across it.
It's true that a lot of formerly lively groups have gone quiet, but
there are still some busy ones.
Possibly relevant to your interests:
- rec.arts.sf.written gets a healthy amount of discussion, if you
haven't found that one yet.
- rec.arts.drwho gets lots of messages, but you'll probably need
your killfile.
- rec.games.board is very quiet, but I suspect there are still some
lurkers who could be coaxed out with some on-topic posts.
- rec.games.backgammon seems to have a small but active community.
Some of the programming groups are also active, for example
comp.lang.python and comp.lang.c.
rec.arts.cooking was also remarkably busy last time I looked.
Hope that gives you some useful pointers.
Regards,
Rayner
Michael P. O'Connor
Jun 13, 2023, 1:36:20 PM6/13/23
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 17:46:20 +0100, Rayner Lucas wrote:
>
> Possibly relevant to your interests:
>
[...]
>
> Possibly relevant to your interests:
>
>
> Some of the programming groups are also active, for example
> comp.lang.python and comp.lang.c.
>
> rec.arts.cooking was also remarkably busy last time I looked.
>
> Hope that gives you some useful pointers.
>
> Regards,
> Rayner
Thanks for the lead I have subbed to a few of those groups, and ya you
> Some of the programming groups are also active, for example
> comp.lang.python and comp.lang.c.
>
> rec.arts.cooking was also remarkably busy last time I looked.
>
> Hope that gives you some useful pointers.
>
> Regards,
> Rayner
are right I need to work on my kill file for the dr. who one.
Marco Moock
Jun 14, 2023, 8:33:41 AM6/14/23
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Am 13.06.2023 um 12:05:06 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet since
> a little over four decades). And there are also some 'youngsters' (in
> Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his age) is 46.
I am 21, so there is another one.
> Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet since
> a little over four decades). And there are also some 'youngsters' (in
> Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his age) is 46.
But I am most active in the German de.* groups.
bozo user
Jun 15, 2023, 10:38:56 AM6/15/23
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I'm trying to revive them with quality content, but it's not easy.
Maybe if some folks from Gemini come here, they could feed each other
with cross contents, as Gemini it's best suited to write articles and
usenet to discuss information.
Frank Slootweg
Jun 16, 2023, 8:37:54 AM6/16/23
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Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> Am 13.06.2023 um 12:05:06 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>
> > Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet since
> > a little over four decades). And there are also some 'youngsters' (in
> > Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his age) is 46.
>
> I am 21, so there is another one.
Wow! If you don't mind, can you tell us how you found out about
> Am 13.06.2023 um 12:05:06 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>
> > Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet since
> > a little over four decades). And there are also some 'youngsters' (in
> > Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his age) is 46.
>
> I am 21, so there is another one.
Usenet, what triggered your interest, etc..
> But I am most active in the German de.* groups.
Windows group.
Anyway, I'm very glad you're on Usenet. We need all the young blood we
can get.
Frank Slootweg
Jun 16, 2023, 8:45:26 AM6/16/23
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least the ones I'm subscribed to - are also rather quiet.
It doesn't bother me much, because - except for local issues - the
worldwide English-language groups are fine. You only need to see past
the US==world blinkers and you're fine! :-)
FWIW, there's a Spanish poster in the Android and Windows groups and
he probably also subscribes to some Linux groups.
Marco Moock
Jun 17, 2023, 7:06:27 AM6/17/23
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Am 16.06.2023 um 12:37:51 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> > Am 13.06.2023 um 12:05:06 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> >
> > > Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet
> > > since a little over four decades). And there are also some
> > > 'youngsters' (in Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his
> > > age) is 46.
> >
> > I am 21, so there is another one.
>
> Wow! If you don't mind, can you tell us how you found out about
> Usenet, what triggered your interest, etc..
First, I heard of it regarding to binary files, but I never used it.
> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> > Am 13.06.2023 um 12:05:06 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> >
> > > Usenet still has its share of die-hards (I'm on NetNews/Usenet
> > > since a little over four decades). And there are also some
> > > 'youngsters' (in Usenet terms). The youngest I know (and know his
> > > age) is 46.
> >
> > I am 21, so there is another one.
>
> Wow! If you don't mind, can you tell us how you found out about
> Usenet, what triggered your interest, etc..
Then I googled the name of some employees of my work and found
discussions on narkive.com. These were interesting, so I looked for a
way to participate in these groups.
I am interested in the computer topics there and I like that there is
no censorship and no banning of users who do not agree with moderators.
I also like that alle the bullshit of platforms like Twitter or reddit
is missing.
> > But I am most active in the German de.* groups.
>
> But also in other groups. IIRC in aus.computers and some of the
> Windows group.
>
> Anyway, I'm very glad you're on Usenet. We need all the young blood
> we can get.
it.
a cat
Jun 17, 2023, 2:28:36 PM6/17/23
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trying to figure out how this all works again.
I think the latest problems with Reddit might cause some people to come
looking, but probably not the general public.
John
Jun 17, 2023, 2:37:20 PM6/17/23
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a cat <a_...@example.com> writes:
>
> I'm trying to get back on Usenet too. It's been a long time, and I'm
> trying to figure out how this all works again.
>
> I think the latest problems with Reddit might cause some people to
> come looking, but probably not the general public.
I've been mentioning Usenet pretty often when people mention the Reddit
>
> I'm trying to get back on Usenet too. It's been a long time, and I'm
> trying to figure out how this all works again.
>
> I think the latest problems with Reddit might cause some people to
> come looking, but probably not the general public.
kerfuffle, though as you say it's unlikely the general public would get
into it.
john
Rayner Lucas
Jun 17, 2023, 2:39:14 PM6/17/23
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In article <u6k43h$17b29$1...@dont-email.me>, mo...@posteo.de says...
Usenet currently has a discoverability problem, for sure. I don't know
of any good way to find or try Usenet from a web browser, unlike back in
the DejaNews days.
Narkive is great but only shows a handful of groups and has no posting
ability. Usenetarchives.com is similarly read-only. And it's difficult
to find anything on Google Groups now that the advanced search is gone
and the Usenet groups are all mixed up with Google's own discussion
group service.
I feel like Usenet needs either another large archive site that can
bring new users on board (while somehow making enough money to keep
operating), or possibly ways to make it easier to set up and host a news
server with a nice easy-to-use front-end so that we end up with a lot of
smaller sites participating.
Until someone creates such things: I agree, spread the word and help
some newbies find where the good discussions are!
Rayner
of any good way to find or try Usenet from a web browser, unlike back in
the DejaNews days.
Narkive is great but only shows a handful of groups and has no posting
ability. Usenetarchives.com is similarly read-only. And it's difficult
to find anything on Google Groups now that the advanced search is gone
and the Usenet groups are all mixed up with Google's own discussion
group service.
I feel like Usenet needs either another large archive site that can
bring new users on board (while somehow making enough money to keep
operating), or possibly ways to make it easier to set up and host a news
server with a nice easy-to-use front-end so that we end up with a lot of
smaller sites participating.
Until someone creates such things: I agree, spread the word and help
some newbies find where the good discussions are!
Rayner
Frank Slootweg
Jun 18, 2023, 10:00:44 AM6/18/23
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Rayner Lucas <usenet...@magic-cookie.co.uknospamplease> wrote:
> In article <u6k43h$17b29$1...@dont-email.me>, mo...@posteo.de says...
> >
> > Am 16.06.2023 um 12:37:51 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> >
> > > Anyway, I'm very glad you're on Usenet. We need all the young blood
> > > we can get.
> >
> > Then spread information about Usenet. Without that, nobody will notice
> > it.
>
> Usenet currently has a discoverability problem, for sure. I don't know
> of any good way to find or try Usenet from a web browser, unlike back in
> the DejaNews days.
There used to be a way where you could post a <news:...> URL, which,
> In article <u6k43h$17b29$1...@dont-email.me>, mo...@posteo.de says...
> >
> > Am 16.06.2023 um 12:37:51 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> >
> > > Anyway, I'm very glad you're on Usenet. We need all the young blood
> > > we can get.
> >
> > Then spread information about Usenet. Without that, nobody will notice
> > it.
>
> Usenet currently has a discoverability problem, for sure. I don't know
> of any good way to find or try Usenet from a web browser, unlike back in
> the DejaNews days.
when excuted by one's (web)browser would invoke and configure one's
newsreader, for example Thunderbird, which could then display a 'How to
get started using Usenet' type of message. But nowadays that'll only
work in some cases - if that -, not in most/all cases. At least, I have
given up on that path.
> Narkive is great but only shows a handful of groups and has no posting
> ability. Usenetarchives.com is similarly read-only. And it's difficult
> to find anything on Google Groups now that the advanced search is gone
> and the Usenet groups are all mixed up with Google's own discussion
> group service.
(courtesy Marcel Logen in nsr on May 26):
<ML>
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers>
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/jKhjVTx6bT8>
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/jKhjVTx6bT8/m/4Zry0MsJAQAJ>g
= group
c = thread (conversation)
m = message
Unfortunately, it is not possible to see the original message-id of a message.
</ML>
At the group-level, this offers some more elaborate search facility,
albeit not as powerful as the old advanced search.
John
Jun 18, 2023, 10:24:08 AM6/18/23
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Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> writes:
> Rayner Lucas <usenet...@magic-cookie.co.uknospamplease> wrote:
>> In article <u6k43h$17b29$1...@dont-email.me>, mo...@posteo.de says...
>> >
>> > Am 16.06.2023 um 12:37:51 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>> >
>> > > Anyway, I'm very glad you're on Usenet. We need all the young blood
>> > > we can get.
>> >
>> > Then spread information about Usenet. Without that, nobody will notice
>> > it.
>>
>> Usenet currently has a discoverability problem, for sure. I don't know
>> of any good way to find or try Usenet from a web browser, unlike back in
>> the DejaNews days.
>
> There used to be a way where you could post a <news:...> URL, which,
> when excuted by one's (web)browser would invoke and configure one's
> newsreader, for example Thunderbird, which could then display a 'How to
> get started using Usenet' type of message. But nowadays that'll only
> work in some cases - if that -, not in most/all cases. At least, I have
> given up on that path.
>
It's also easier, in my opinion, to configure e.g. Thunderbird with an
> Rayner Lucas <usenet...@magic-cookie.co.uknospamplease> wrote:
>> In article <u6k43h$17b29$1...@dont-email.me>, mo...@posteo.de says...
>> >
>> > Am 16.06.2023 um 12:37:51 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>> >
>> > > Anyway, I'm very glad you're on Usenet. We need all the young blood
>> > > we can get.
>> >
>> > Then spread information about Usenet. Without that, nobody will notice
>> > it.
>>
>> Usenet currently has a discoverability problem, for sure. I don't know
>> of any good way to find or try Usenet from a web browser, unlike back in
>> the DejaNews days.
>
> There used to be a way where you could post a <news:...> URL, which,
> when excuted by one's (web)browser would invoke and configure one's
> newsreader, for example Thunderbird, which could then display a 'How to
> get started using Usenet' type of message. But nowadays that'll only
> work in some cases - if that -, not in most/all cases. At least, I have
> given up on that path.
>
eternal-september account than to set up an IMAP/SMTP email account.
Unfortunately to get people posting, there's this requisite step of
getting signed up with a server -- even on a no-auth-required server
(like aioe, which appears to be gone now?) you still have to give the
server name & your desired identity. Of course, there's always Google
Groups, but they keep making the interface worse and I think a lot of
news admins drop Groups postings because of all the spam (I know I'm
tempted to do so).
In my opinion, Usenet would be at its best if people posted primarily
from small servers where the admins know every user. I think this would
help with abuse and spam to some extent, but it means you need lots of
people running servers, and it means you can only get online if you know
somebody with a server, which would be fine if The Masses were clamoring
to post, but they're not.
Ah well.
john
cr0c0d1le
Jun 18, 2023, 1:27:34 PM6/18/23
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what I have read, a request must be made to the Big-8 board, then it
must be approved. Do alt.* groups work differently?
cr0c0d1le
Jun 18, 2023, 1:32:58 PM6/18/23
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Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> writes:
> Am 16.06.2023 um 12:37:51 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>
> I am interested in the computer topics there and I like that there is
> no censorship and no banning of users who do not agree with moderators.
>
> I also like that alle the bullshit of platforms like Twitter or reddit
> is missing.
>
I'm here for pretty much the same reasons. USENET could take off
> Am 16.06.2023 um 12:37:51 Uhr schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>
> I am interested in the computer topics there and I like that there is
> no censorship and no banning of users who do not agree with moderators.
>
> I also like that alle the bullshit of platforms like Twitter or reddit
> is missing.
>
(again) if it were more accessible I think. At one point, there was
DejaNews and Google Groups, but they fell by the wayside. The Fediverse
is all the rage right now, but the concept is not new.
cr0c0d1le
Jun 18, 2023, 1:52:17 PM6/18/23
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that spins up an NNTP server along with an API and a web app.
The API would take care of user account management, uploads, and
the interfacing between the web client and the NNTP server.
The web client would be able to handle images, videos, and external
links.
Third-party clients could be created and set up to use a specific 'instance'.
Anyway, I'm just tossing ideas around. I'm not even sure if this would
be feasible :P
Marco Moock
Jun 18, 2023, 3:16:03 PM6/18/23
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Am 18.06.2023 um 13:27:31 Uhr schrieb cr0c0d1le:
> So, how complicated is it to create a group?
Why do you need a new one?
> So, how complicated is it to create a group?
About which topic?
> From what I have read, a request must be made to the Big-8 board,
> then it must be approved.
rulesets.
> Do alt.* groups work differently?
But alt.* is full of empty groups because many were created and never
deleted.
Marco Moock
Jun 18, 2023, 3:17:44 PM6/18/23
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Am 17.06.2023 um 19:39:11 Uhr schrieb Rayner Lucas:
> I feel like Usenet needs either another large archive site that can
> bring new users on board (while somehow making enough money to keep
> operating), or possibly ways to make it easier to set up and host a
> news server with a nice easy-to-use front-end so that we end up with
> a lot of smaller sites participating.
It exists with the rocksolid software.
> I feel like Usenet needs either another large archive site that can
> bring new users on board (while somehow making enough money to keep
> operating), or possibly ways to make it easier to set up and host a
> news server with a nice easy-to-use front-end so that we end up with
> a lot of smaller sites participating.
https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/index.php
Sadly, they don't have all active groups, especially not non-English.
Rayner Lucas
Jun 18, 2023, 9:40:48 PM6/18/23
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In article <87leggfzp8.fsf@osiris>, nos...@nospam.org says...
https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup
The main thing the Board is concerned about when considering a request
is "are enough people interested that this group will be a success?"
As the alt.* hierarchy isn't managed by anybody, things are a bit
different and less formal. The FAQs at http://alt-config.net describe
how it works. And if posting in alt.config, note that some folks there
like to be as confrontational as possible with their critiques, so bring
your flameproof overalls.
Regards
Rayner
>
> Hello, I am new here. So, how complicated is it to create a group? From
> what I have read, a request must be made to the Big-8 board, then it
> must be approved. Do alt.* groups work differently?
For a group in the Big 8 hierarchies, the process is here:
> Hello, I am new here. So, how complicated is it to create a group? From
> what I have read, a request must be made to the Big-8 board, then it
> must be approved. Do alt.* groups work differently?
https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup
The main thing the Board is concerned about when considering a request
is "are enough people interested that this group will be a success?"
As the alt.* hierarchy isn't managed by anybody, things are a bit
different and less formal. The FAQs at http://alt-config.net describe
how it works. And if posting in alt.config, note that some folks there
like to be as confrontational as possible with their critiques, so bring
your flameproof overalls.
Regards
Rayner
cr0c0d1le
Jun 18, 2023, 9:41:42 PM6/18/23
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Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> writes:
> Am 18.06.2023 um 13:27:31 Uhr schrieb cr0c0d1le:
>
>> So, how complicated is it to create a group?
>
> Why do you need a new one?
> About which topic?
I don't need to create one right now, but I might if I can't find
> Am 18.06.2023 um 13:27:31 Uhr schrieb cr0c0d1le:
>
>> So, how complicated is it to create a group?
>
> Why do you need a new one?
> About which topic?
a group that matches what I'm looking for.
>
>> From what I have read, a request must be made to the Big-8 board,
>> then it must be approved.
>
> This applies to the Big 8 hierarchy. Other hierarchies have different
> rulesets.
>
>> Do alt.* groups work differently?
>
> Yes, because only a control message is needed.
> But alt.* is full of empty groups because many were created and never
> deleted.
alt.* must have been a dumpsterfire back in its prime.
>> From what I have read, a request must be made to the Big-8 board,
>> then it must be approved.
>
> This applies to the Big 8 hierarchy. Other hierarchies have different
> rulesets.
>
>> Do alt.* groups work differently?
>
> Yes, because only a control message is needed.
> But alt.* is full of empty groups because many were created and never
> deleted.
Rayner Lucas
Jun 18, 2023, 10:25:09 PM6/18/23
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In article <u6nl8m$1nrb0$4...@dont-email.me>, mo...@posteo.de says...
Oh cool! Thank you for that. I have not encountered rocksolid before,
but it seems like something I really should find out more about.
It looks like it's all free software, so I guess someone could set it up
with their own news server and have any groups they wanted.
Thanks for the link, very much appreciated!
Rayner
but it seems like something I really should find out more about.
It looks like it's all free software, so I guess someone could set it up
with their own news server and have any groups they wanted.
Thanks for the link, very much appreciated!
Rayner
Marco Moock
Jun 19, 2023, 7:31:58 AM6/19/23
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Am 19.06.2023 um 03:25:06 Uhr schrieb Rayner Lucas:
> It looks like it's all free software, so I guess someone could set it
> up with their own news server and have any groups they wanted.
>
> Thanks for the link, very much appreciated!
I don't have experience with it, are you interested in running it on a
> It looks like it's all free software, so I guess someone could set it
> up with their own news server and have any groups they wanted.
>
> Thanks for the link, very much appreciated!
public server?
Rayner Lucas
Jun 19, 2023, 11:40:51 AM6/19/23
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In article <u6pebc$229vc$2...@dont-email.me>, mo...@posteo.de says...
I don't have a lot of free time at the moment, so I wouldn't be able to
promise anything immediate (or that I'd have time to maintain a public
site). But I'm definitely interested in trying it out!
promise anything immediate (or that I'd have time to maintain a public
site). But I'm definitely interested in trying it out!
Rayner Lucas
Jun 19, 2023, 12:18:49 PM6/19/23
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In article <87bkhcfyk4.fsf@osiris>, nos...@nospam.org says...
server would be great.
Interesting idea to have individual servers hosting images and other
files; I can think of a lot of reasons people might want to attach an
image to their post, but many Usenet sites will reject file attachments
outside of specific "binaries" groups. With this workaround, you could
perhaps have users on the same server seeing images by default, and
users on other servers getting a link to the image instead.
Of course, image hosting has its own problems; social media sites have
people whose entire job is checking for illegal and/or horrifying
content, so there's also a good argument for disallowing file
attachments altogether and offloading the problem to a third-party
image-hosting provider.
People would still need to arrange peering for their server; I'm not
sure if there's a good way to set this up out-of-the-box. Giving people
a pointer to news.admin.peering on Google Groups might work, or maybe
someone could offer some kind of default access to that group for new
server admins.
Regards,
Rayner
>
> We need a pre-packaged solution. It could be a docker-compose script
> that spins up an NNTP server along with an API and a web app.
>
> The API would take care of user account management, uploads, and
> the interfacing between the web client and the NNTP server.
>
> The web client would be able to handle images, videos, and external
> links.
>
> Third-party clients could be created and set up to use a specific 'instance'.
>
> Anyway, I'm just tossing ideas around. I'm not even sure if this would
> be feasible :P
Something like that to simplify the setup and administration of an NNTP
> We need a pre-packaged solution. It could be a docker-compose script
> that spins up an NNTP server along with an API and a web app.
>
> The API would take care of user account management, uploads, and
> the interfacing between the web client and the NNTP server.
>
> The web client would be able to handle images, videos, and external
> links.
>
> Third-party clients could be created and set up to use a specific 'instance'.
>
> Anyway, I'm just tossing ideas around. I'm not even sure if this would
> be feasible :P
server would be great.
Interesting idea to have individual servers hosting images and other
files; I can think of a lot of reasons people might want to attach an
image to their post, but many Usenet sites will reject file attachments
outside of specific "binaries" groups. With this workaround, you could
perhaps have users on the same server seeing images by default, and
users on other servers getting a link to the image instead.
Of course, image hosting has its own problems; social media sites have
people whose entire job is checking for illegal and/or horrifying
content, so there's also a good argument for disallowing file
attachments altogether and offloading the problem to a third-party
image-hosting provider.
People would still need to arrange peering for their server; I'm not
sure if there's a good way to set this up out-of-the-box. Giving people
a pointer to news.admin.peering on Google Groups might work, or maybe
someone could offer some kind of default access to that group for new
server admins.
Regards,
Rayner
Rayner Lucas
Jun 19, 2023, 12:46:08 PM6/19/23
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In article <86wn00q...@building-m.net>, jo...@building-m.simplistic-
anti-spam-measure.net says...
> It's also easier, in my opinion, to configure e.g. Thunderbird with an
> eternal-september account than to set up an IMAP/SMTP email account.
>
> Unfortunately to get people posting, there's this requisite step of
> getting signed up with a server -- even on a no-auth-required server
> (like aioe, which appears to be gone now?) you still have to give the
> server name & your desired identity. Of course, there's always Google
> Groups, but they keep making the interface worse and I think a lot of
> news admins drop Groups postings because of all the spam (I know I'm
> tempted to do so).
>
> In my opinion, Usenet would be at its best if people posted primarily
> from small servers where the admins know every user. I think this would
> help with abuse and spam to some extent, but it means you need lots of
> people running servers, and it means you can only get online if you know
> somebody with a server, which would be fine if The Masses were clamoring
> to post, but they're not.
Yes, it's certainly no harder to set up a Usenet account than an email
account. But unfortunately there's still a lot more friction there than
for other social platforms, so I imagine non-techie users will get
turned off by the process. Google Groups used to be a great introduction
to Usenet, but as you say, it's just got harder and harder to use over
the years.
Agreed, abuse is partly a problem of scale: it's not too hard to deal
with one malicious user but considerably more difficult to play whack-a-
mole with a hundred of them.
I saw a rumour that aioe may have suffered a disk failure, but I don't
know for sure. I hope it comes back, but it's been several months so my
hopes are not high :-(
Regards,
Rayner
anti-spam-measure.net says...
> It's also easier, in my opinion, to configure e.g. Thunderbird with an
> eternal-september account than to set up an IMAP/SMTP email account.
>
> Unfortunately to get people posting, there's this requisite step of
> getting signed up with a server -- even on a no-auth-required server
> (like aioe, which appears to be gone now?) you still have to give the
> server name & your desired identity. Of course, there's always Google
> Groups, but they keep making the interface worse and I think a lot of
> news admins drop Groups postings because of all the spam (I know I'm
> tempted to do so).
>
> In my opinion, Usenet would be at its best if people posted primarily
> from small servers where the admins know every user. I think this would
> help with abuse and spam to some extent, but it means you need lots of
> people running servers, and it means you can only get online if you know
> somebody with a server, which would be fine if The Masses were clamoring
> to post, but they're not.
account. But unfortunately there's still a lot more friction there than
for other social platforms, so I imagine non-techie users will get
turned off by the process. Google Groups used to be a great introduction
to Usenet, but as you say, it's just got harder and harder to use over
the years.
Agreed, abuse is partly a problem of scale: it's not too hard to deal
with one malicious user but considerably more difficult to play whack-a-
mole with a hundred of them.
I saw a rumour that aioe may have suffered a disk failure, but I don't
know for sure. I hope it comes back, but it's been several months so my
hopes are not high :-(
Regards,
Rayner
Marco Moock
Jun 20, 2023, 5:05:06 AM6/20/23
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Am 19.06.2023 um 17:46:06 Uhr schrieb Rayner Lucas:
> I saw a rumour that aioe may have suffered a disk failure, but I
> don't know for sure. I hope it comes back, but it's been several
> months so my hopes are not high :-(
This is the first rumor. The second one is that the operator is dead.
> I saw a rumour that aioe may have suffered a disk failure, but I
> don't know for sure. I hope it comes back, but it's been several
> months so my hopes are not high :-(
cr0c0d1le
Jun 20, 2023, 1:13:31 PM6/20/23
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this group is somewhat active.
Thanks
John
Jun 20, 2023, 1:17:11 PM6/20/23
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The news.* hierarchy is pretty technically-focused and a lot of it is
more for server admins.
This would be a great place to talk about neat newsgroups you've found
that are still active & have high-quality discussions. Or other things
related to Usenet but not falling into the tighter categories of news.*
john
Michael P. O'Connor
Jun 22, 2023, 7:49:56 AM6/22/23
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times on twitter and talked a bit about it on my personal website. While
I really will not affect anything but if a lot of people do it maybe we
can move the needle.
Michael P. O'Connor
Jun 22, 2023, 7:55:53 AM6/22/23
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:52:11 -0400, cr0c0d1le wrote:
> We need a pre-packaged solution. It could be a docker-compose script
> that spins up an NNTP server along with an API and a web app.
>
> The API would take care of user account management, uploads, and the
> interfacing between the web client and the NNTP server.
>
> The web client would be able to handle images, videos, and external
> links.
>
> Third-party clients could be created and set up to use a specific
> 'instance'.
>
> Anyway, I'm just tossing ideas around. I'm not even sure if this would
> be feasible :P
This sounds like an interesting project. I wonder which would be better
> We need a pre-packaged solution. It could be a docker-compose script
> that spins up an NNTP server along with an API and a web app.
>
> The API would take care of user account management, uploads, and the
> interfacing between the web client and the NNTP server.
>
> The web client would be able to handle images, videos, and external
> links.
>
> Third-party clients could be created and set up to use a specific
> 'instance'.
>
> Anyway, I'm just tossing ideas around. I'm not even sure if this would
> be feasible :P
of the 2 week development tool kits I work in, Struts 2 or Angular/Spring
Boot. Or would there be better options. This could be a fun weekend
project.
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