Willem Dafoe's character in Clear and Present Danger
Christian Ready
This is my first posting to this newsgroup. I thought that Willem Dafoe
played Clark in Clear and Present Danger. Is this the case? I have
read talk of Gary Sinese playing the role in an upcoming movie. Why
not Dafoe? Perhaps I am confused about Dafoe's character...
Any help is appreciated.
Christian Ready
R. A. Stults
Hello,
Willem Dafoe is a little to old for the part of John Kelly at the end of
the Viet Nam War. Gary Sinise will indeed take the Kelly role in
Without Remorse. It is a very good book, if you haven't read it...by
all means do so.
T-Bone
Brian
Christian Ready wrote:
>
> This is my first posting to this newsgroup. I thought that Willem Dafoe
> played Clark in Clear and Present Danger. Is this the case? I have
> read talk of Gary Sinese playing the role in an upcoming movie. Why
> not Dafoe? Perhaps I am confused about Dafoe's character...
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Christian Ready
"Without Remorse" is set near the end of the Vietnam war, so a younger
Clark (Kelly) would have to be cast. If you have not yet read WR, I
suggest it. Then you will see why few people on this newsgroup consider
the movie version of CaPD to be accurate. Clark was portrayed as a
mercenary in the movie, when in fact he is a very skilled CIA field
agent.
Bri
Tom Walker
Christian Ready <re...@stsci.edu> wrote:
>This is my first posting to this newsgroup. I thought that Willem Dafoe
>played Clark in Clear and Present Danger. Is this the case? I have
>read talk of Gary Sinese playing the role in an upcoming movie. Why
>not Dafoe? Perhaps I am confused about Dafoe's character...
>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>Christian Ready
Well, Willem Dafoe did play Clark. The possibility of Gary Sinese playing
him is because Without Remorse takes place during Vietnam when Clark is
young. Dafoe would be way too old to play the character in that time
setting.
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Phil Buonomo
"R. A. Stults" <tb...@anet-dfw.com> wrote:
>Gary Sinise will indeed take the Kelly role in
>Without Remorse. It is a very good book, if you haven't read it...by
>all means do so.
Please post your source of information. You're stating that as if
it's fact whereas the status of the movie at this point is problematic
at best, to my knowlege.
Brian
Orion wrote:
>
> Brian <bp...@siu.edu> wrote:
Clark was portrayed as a
> >mercenary in the movie, when in fact he is a very skilled CIA field
> >agent.
>
> >Bri
>
> He cared way too much for "my men" to be a profiteer. And he was
> initially really "pissed" at Ryan for causing them to be abandoned.
> I really don't think the portrayal was off-base at all.
>
> J.D.
In his initial meeting with Ritter in CaPD (movie), Clark is contracted
as an independant operative living in South/Central America, and is
concerned about getting PAID, if I'm not mistaken. These two factors
make him appear mercenary in my mind. Whether he had concerns for his
men is not relevant to his motivations.
Bri
Orion
Brian <bp...@siu.edu> wrote:
>"Without Remorse" is set near the end of the Vietnam war, so a younger
>Clark (Kelly) would have to be cast. If you have not yet read WR, I
>suggest it. Then you will see why few people on this newsgroup consider
>the movie version of CaPD to be accurate. Clark was portrayed as a
Tim Bentley
In article <31FEBD...@siu.edu> Brian <bp...@siu.edu> writes:
>From: Brian <bp...@siu.edu>
>Subject: Re: Willem Dafoe's character in Clear and Present Danger
>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:55:31 -0500
>Orion wrote:
>>
>> Brian <bp...@siu.edu> wrote:
> Clark was portrayed as a
>> >mercenary in the movie, when in fact he is a very skilled CIA field
>> >agent.
>>
>> >Bri
>>
>> Sorry - I definitely don't agree with that! Clark was no mercenary.
>> He cared way too much for "my men" to be a profiteer. And he was
>> initially really "pissed" at Ryan for causing them to be abandoned.
>> I really don't think the portrayal was off-base at all.
>>
>> J.D.
>In his initial meeting with Ritter in CaPD (movie), Clark is contracted
>as an independant operative living in South/Central America, and is
>concerned about getting PAID, if I'm not mistaken. These two factors
>make him appear mercenary in my mind. Whether he had concerns for his
>men is not relevant to his motivations.
Hi Guys,
Let's face it, the moviemakers screwed up the character and parts of the
storyline. Willem Dafoe despite being a good acter and depicting the film
CAPD role of Clark very well, was not the John Clark of the books that we know
and hope we don't meet on a dark night after pissing him off.
Tim
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Tim Bentley wrote:
>
> Let's face it, the moviemakers screwed up the character and parts of the
> storyline. Willem Dafoe despite being a good acter and depicting the film
> CAPD role of Clark very well, was not the John Clark of the books that we know
> and hope we don't meet on a dark night after pissing him off.
>
Not only did they screw up Clark and other fine points of this
excellent book, they put Ryan in Columbia when the FBI Director
was killed, *and* they killed off a *major* character in that
battle.
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Phil Buonomo
jdb...@mindspring.com (Orion) wrote:
>Sorry - I definitely don't agree with that! Clark was no mercenary.
>He cared way too much for "my men" to be a profiteer. And he was
>initially really "pissed" at Ryan for causing them to be abandoned.
>I really don't think the portrayal was off-base at all.
In the movie one of his first lines has to do with when his pay will
be in his bank account. That ruined the character for me for the rest
of the movie.
Jay R. Ashworth
Phil Buonomo (pbuo...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
No question: the scriptwriters played him as a raw merc. He's not.
End of topic.
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In article <3200BB...@texas.net>, Dale & Lora Marshall <mars...@texas.net> says:
>
>Tim Bentley wrote:
>>
>> Let's face it, the moviemakers screwed up the character and parts of the
>> storyline. Willem Dafoe despite being a good acter and depicting the film
>> CAPD role of Clark very well, was not the John Clark of the books that we know
>> and hope we don't meet on a dark night after pissing him off.
>>
>
>Not only did they screw up Clark and other fine points of this
>excellent book, they put Ryan in Columbia when the FBI Director
>was killed, *and* they killed off a *major* character in that
>battle.
>
Consider that the film makers have their own agendas for other peoples
stories. Look at how Jack Ryan and wife became practically phobic when
it comes to firearms, with the Harrison Ford charichiture. I'll grant that
some subplots lost out to time, but to do any of Tom Clancy's novels
justice, they deserve miniseries treatment, rather than the far more
profitible 120 minute hack job.
Stephen Sills
On Aug 03, 1996 02:55:28 in article <Clear and Present Danger, in no clear
or present danger of being mistaken for Tom Clancy's work>, 'df...@awod.com
movies out of the books. Look at what they did with HFRO. They did an
excellent job. For some reason, the decided to rewrite several parts of
PG, thus making it considerably different and less enjoyable than the book
(I was especially dissapointed with the climax. Like most of TC's books, I
was at the edge of my seat at the end. In the movie it was very confusing,
and almost boring). Afterall, PG the movie was really long enough to do
the book justice. They just changed some things that, frankly, they didn't
have any business changing. I do see your point on CAPD, though. The book
is about 700 pages long, so a movie would be hard (I'm yet to see the
movie, but probably will when I'm finished with the book).
Stephen Sills
Geelong High School
Mr. Sills
I agree, while both PG and CAPD where good movies, the books, with their
intricate plots and sub-stories always lose out. Why, I ask, if Cathy
Ryan is gun-shy in the book, do they have here toting a shottie in PG???
OK, sure she uses the butt, but in the book, Robby Jackson takes the
Shottie, and blows someone's head. MUCH BETTER!
That, I feel is the one drawback with Clancy's novels:Their movie forms
are ROOTED!
Andrew Ryan.
Chuck Allen
I realize it was the appropriate decision for making a movie of PG, but I
really MISSED Breckenridge!
The Dillon Family
Dale & Lora Marshall wrote:
>
> Tim Bentley wrote:
> >
> > Let's face it, the moviemakers screwed up the character and parts of the
> > storyline. Willem Dafoe despite being a good acter and depicting the film
> > CAPD role of Clark very well, was not the John Clark of the books that we know
> > and hope we don't meet on a dark night after pissing him off.
> >
>
> Not only did they screw up Clark and other fine points of this
> excellent book, they put Ryan in Columbia when the FBI Director
> was killed, *and* they killed off a *major* character in that
> battle.
>
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for the role that someone should be doing time for casting him. Don't
get me wrong, Dafoe's a good actor, but . . .
Hammer
I agree that Willem DaFoe was a terrible choice for Clark. I remember
posting this same view two years ago I believe. While deployed with
Joint Endeavour this past winter, we had several periods of dead time
and we filled it with casting Clancy movies and books that should be
movies (Red Storm would make a great mini-series, although the enemy is
now stale). The best nomination we had for Clark was Tom Selleck. Yes
his previous roles do not match the Clark image, but the man himself is
Clark. I met Willem DaFoe on an Avis bus and he can't be more than
5'8". Selleck fits the size and would make an excellent Clark if he
drops the goofiness he usually brings with him into roles.
What about Ryan? I have had this discussion in the past many times and
have my view. Who do you all think should play Ryan? Pauly Shore? How
about Adam Sandler? Leslie Neilsen?
Jim Cronie
In article <321799...@olg.com>, Hammer <ham...@olg.com> writes
I like the idea of Tom Selleck as Clark. The more I thought about it, the more I
can see him as Clark.
--
Jim Cronie
David Benjamin
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jim Cronie wrote:
> I like the idea of Tom Selleck as Clark. The more I thought about it,
> the more I can see him as Clark.
In Executive Orders, Clark or Ding (can't remember) vote for Nicolas Cage as
Clark. Is Clancy doing a little lobbying here?
David Benjamin--Webmaster, Telecom/ETV Division, Auburn University
Master of Arts, 1996, Auburn University (Political Science)
http://www.duc.auburn.edu/~benjadp
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Ivan J. Liechty
Jim Cronie wrote:
>
> In article <321799...@olg.com>, Hammer <ham...@olg.com> writes
> >I agree that Willem DaFoe was a terrible choice for Clark. I remember
> >posting this same view two years ago I believe. While deployed with
> >Joint Endeavour this past winter, we had several periods of dead time
> >and we filled it with casting Clancy movies and books that should be
> >movies (Red Storm would make a great mini-series, although the enemy is
> >now stale). The best nomination we had for Clark was Tom Selleck. Yes
> >his previous roles do not match the Clark image, but the man himself is
> >Clark. I met Willem DaFoe on an Avis bus and he can't be more than
> >5'8". Selleck fits the size and would make an excellent Clark if he
> >drops the goofiness he usually brings with him into roles.
> >
> >What about Ryan? I have had this discussion in the past many times and
> >have my view. Who do you all think should play Ryan? Pauly Shore? How
> >about Adam Sandler? Leslie Neilsen?
>
> can see him as Clark.
> Jim Cronie
Selleck is Clark. Alec Baldwin matches Ryan. Now for the kicker, I
think that Harrison Ford matches... Ritter. Yes, he has the compassion
of the Ritter in the books and the balls to get things done as well.
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John Boyd
Jim Cronie <busi...@bmicros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I like the idea of Tom Selleck as Clark. The more I thought about it, the more I
>can see him as Clark.
I'm not sure why, but the image that came to my mind was a trim Brian
Denehey (sp?). He's old enough to have had the time to go through all
the experiences, and he (Denehey) has played both nice guys and
out-and-out scary characters. Gen Schwartzkoff's too well known ;-).
Dan Milbrandt
David Benjamin wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jim Cronie wrote:
>
> > I like the idea of Tom Selleck as Clark. The more I thought about it,
> > the more I can see him as Clark.
>
> Clark. Is Clancy doing a little lobbying here?
>
> David Benjamin--Webmaster, Telecom/ETV Division, Auburn University
> Master of Arts, 1996, Auburn University (Political Science)
> http://www.duc.auburn.edu/~benjadp
guy who played him in C&PD
Jeff Doar
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jim Cronie wrote:
> I like the idea of Tom Selleck as Clark. The more I thought about it,
> the more I can see him as Clark.
Speaking of Selleck, I've read rumors that associated TC with the screenplay for a
never-made "Magnum, PI" movie. Can anyone say if there's any truth to them, or were
they just the product of an overactive imagination?
Jeff
Sleepy
"
>> I like the idea of Tom Selleck as Clark. The more I thought about it, the more I
>> can see him as Clark.
Well having seen the film before reading the book. I had absolutely
no problem with seeing Defoe as Clark. I still think he's a good
choice.
zach.
Mark Hockings.
Sleepy (sle...@twave.net) wrote:
: "
: >> I like the idea of Tom Selleck as Clark. The more I thought about it, the more I
I would have preferred Tom Berenger as Clark. For Ding it was always Mario
Van Peebles. I remember his role in Heartbreak Ridge. (he'd have no trouble
doing Ding's attitude that's for sure. <g>)
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Mark Hockings. <hock...@netcom.com> wrote in article
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> Sleepy (sle...@twave.net) wrote:
> : "
> I would have preferred Tom Berenger as Clark. For Ding it was always
Mario
> Van Peebles. I remember his role in Heartbreak Ridge. (he'd have no
trouble
> doing Ding's attitude that's for sure. <g>)
Berenger would be good, Remember him in "Sniper"? I take Sellek also ;)
Later
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Alfonso Tena
Jim Cronie <busi...@bmicros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
daughter is about to marry Ding).
Al
John Dimakos
>>>>> "Alfonso" == Alfonso Tena <sir...@gslink.com> writes:
Alfonso> Jim Cronie <busi...@bmicros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
Alfonso> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an
Alfonso> older guy, older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good
Alfonso> candidate, either.
Alfonso> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still
Alfonso> don't find anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50
Alfonso> (remember,, his daughter is about to marry Ding).
How about Brian Dennehy (aka Jack Reed, police detective)? He gets my
vote for Clark.
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Grant Carpenter
Mario
> Van Peebles. I remember his role in Heartbreak Ridge. (he'd have no
trouble
> doing Ding's attitude that's for sure. <g>)
I agree that Berenger would be good as Clark, particularly in WR. He's
almost exactly how
I pictured Clark in that book. In C&PD I didn't necessarily see Clark as
Dafoe, but--while the
movie isn't the book--I kind of liked the choice later on. He has a darker
side that Tom Selleck
clearly doesn't have. My only pan against Berrenger is that he doesn't tend
to portray real
smooth or subtle characters.
Van Peebles might have been good as Ding, but I thought the actor (name not
recalled) who
was cast as Ding was fine. After SOLO, I doubt Mario will be cast in too
many more serious
roles.
Grant
Tracy Justus
I've thought hard and long about it also and the only guy I can think of
that matches his description in my mind is another author!
Richard Marcinko, author of Rouge Warrior. He would be perfect if he
were
and actor .. hell he even has the experience (Been leader of a SEAL
team).
Alfonso Tena wrote:
> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
> older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
>
> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
> daughter is about to marry Ding).
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Brian Dennehy...Good Answer...I forgot all about him, he does fit the
physical description.
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This is just a thought but in EO Clark suggests that Val Kilmer play him, and
Bob Holtzman suggests Nicholas Cage.
Perhaps Clancy is sending a message to Hollywood?
--
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Alfonso Tena
idim...@forbin.syr.edu (John Dimakos) wrote:
>How about Brian Dennehy (aka Jack Reed, police detective)? He gets my
>vote for Clark.
>--
>--
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>Syracuse University, Computing \& Media Services
>idim...@syr.edu, http://web.syr.edu/~idimakos
Very good choice, perfect if he lose 30 punds before.
Al
Chris Fleming
>
>>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
>>> older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
>>>
>>> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
>>> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
>>> daughter is about to marry Ding).
>>
-- Chris
Jay R. Ashworth
Chris Fleming (tea...@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
: >>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
There's this _one_, small, teensy problem...
:-)
Cheers,
-- jr 'just saw a recent pic of Kilmer; he'll do' a
Joshua W. Burton
> -- jr 'just saw a recent pic of Kilmer; he'll do' a
Sigh...Michael J. Fox for Clark, Danny DeVito for Ryan, Denzel
Washington for Chavez, and Alan Alda for Hazel Loomis.
I'm surprised I have to explain this stuff.
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Chris Fleming (tea...@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
> >
> >>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
> >>> older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
> >>>
> >>> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
> >>> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
> >>> daughter is about to marry Ding).
> >>
> How about Sean Connery. He fits my idea of Clark nicely.
How about James Woods? He's got THE ATTITUDE.
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In article <5228qr$s...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, tea...@ihug.co.nz (Chris
Fleming) wrote:
>
>>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
>>> older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
>>>
>>> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
>>> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
>>> daughter is about to marry Ding).
>>
How about Sean Connery. He fits my idea of Clark nicely.
-- Chris
Jeff Care responds:
Yeah, except for the fact that he's already played Marko Ramius in the
HFRO movie. It would be a little awkward, don't you think-besides, it
would never fly for a WR movie, Sean Connery is just too old to play a
wrong Clark.
--
Jeff Care (b.c...@concentric.net)
"Watch out for quantum ducks: Quark! Quark!"
J. Adam Jurkowski
In article <523rpv$i...@news.usf.edu>,
j...@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote:
>Chris Fleming (tea...@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
>: >>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
>: >>> older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
>: >>> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
>: >>> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
>: >>> daughter is about to marry Ding).
>: How about Sean Connery. He fits my idea of Clark nicely.
>
>
>:-)
>
Yeah... That would make the scene at the end of CoTK kind of awkward, wouldn't
it? :)
Adam
Stewart L. Todd
Chris Fleming <tea...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in article
<5228qr$s...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>...
> >
> >>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
> >>> older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
> >>>
> >>> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
> >>> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
> >>> daughter is about to marry Ding).
> >>
> How about Sean Connery. He fits my idea of Clark nicely.
> -- Chris
>
>
I personally liked Defoe for Clark. I honestly think that actors have
carry-over from their previous movies that influence how the audience
perceives their characters. Sean Connery, for example, will always stike me
as 007, or a kick-ass Irish cop from The Untouchables, or the immortal
patriarch in Highlander. I just don't see Clark as that kind of person.
Defoe, on the other hand, has played a lot of characters who will do the
dirty work when it has to be done. The two movies I can think of off the
top of my head are Platoon, where Defoe played the nemesis of Charlie
Sheen, and (yes its an old movie) Streets of Fire, where he plays the
equivalent of a 50's urban Godfather. In those two roles, at least, he
plays characters that do not have sterling reputations, but are likable for
their no-nonsense approach to getting the job done. THAT sounds like Clark
to me.
On a side not, I also really like the actor who plays Ding in CAPD. I don't
know his name, but I just like him. BTW, he also has a cameo in Executive
Decision, the airline-hijacking movie starring Kurt Russell.
Stewart Todd
c...@traveller.com
Michael W. Ellis
Stewart L. Todd wrote:
>
> I personally liked Defoe for Clark. I honestly think that actors have
> carry-over from their previous movies that influence how the audience
> perceives their characters. Sean Connery, for example, will always stike me
> as 007, or a kick-ass Irish cop from The Untouchables, or the immortal
> patriarch in Highlander. I just don't see Clark as that kind of person.
>
> Defoe, on the other hand, has played a lot of characters who will do the
> dirty work when it has to be done. The two movies I can think of off the
> top of my head are Platoon, where Defoe played the nemesis of Charlie
> Sheen, and (yes its an old movie) Streets of Fire, where he plays the
> equivalent of a 50's urban Godfather. In those two roles, at least, he
> plays characters that do not have sterling reputations, but are likable for
> their no-nonsense approach to getting the job done. THAT sounds like Clark
> to me.
>
> On a side not, I also really like the actor who plays Ding in CAPD. I don't
> know his name, but I just like him. BTW, he also has a cameo in Executive
> Decision, the airline-hijacking movie starring Kurt Russell.
>
> Stewart Todd
> c...@traveller.com
My impression of Defoe's version of Clark was not favorable. This has very
little too do with Defoe's acting ability, but very much to do with the script
that he was given. Hollywood's version of CaPD turned Clark into a mercenary.
While there were many areas of the movie that were dramatically different from
the book, the portrayal of Clark as a mercenary has been my major complaint with
the movie. i know that the story has to be cut to fit the 2 hour time frame, but
to butcher any character in this manner is unforgivable (IMHO).
On the other hand, a bad adaptation of a TC novel is still better than a lot of
the garbage out there (again, IMHO).
Humbly submitted,
Michael W. Ellis
Mark
On 22 Sep 1996 17:25:35 GMT, bya...@chat.carleton.ca (Brad Yasuda)
wrote:
>How about James Woods? He's got THE ATTITUDE.
James Woods is one of my favourite actors. He is also one of the
worst choices for a person to play Clark.
James Woods has that nervous twitch always hiding beneath the surface,
and when he "loses it", ie, gets pissed off, his reactions are always
maniacal.
Clark is an extremely calm person... and Clancy emphasized that the
more angry he was, the more outwardly calm he got. In fact, his
character is almost annoyingly polite, even to those he's about to
kill or hurt.
Woods taking on the role of Clark and playing him the way Clancy built
the character up would be monumental challenge.
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Dan Milbrandt
Chris Fleming wrote:
>
> >
> >>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
> >>> older than Selleck. Steven Seagal isn't a good candidate, either.
> >>>
> >>> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
> >>> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
> >>> daughter is about to marry Ding).
> >>
> How about Sean Connery. He fits my idea of Clark nicely.
> -- Chris
I've got Clark (at least in the books other than Without Remorse) as the
actor who was the title character in the TV Series "Mike Hammer"--Stacy
Keech. Of course, the fact he was busted for nose candy posession would
have made his appearance in C&PD out of character.
John Morriss
In article <01bbaaeb$4ef47260$LocalHost@stewart>,
>perceives their characters. Sean Connery, for example, will always stike me
>as 007, or a kick-ass Irish cop from The Untouchables, or the immortal
>patriarch in Highlander. I just don't see Clark as that kind of person.
What about the intrepid, on-his-own High Noon type sheriff from the Io
mining camp, in "Outland"? Now that's a Clark type, if I ever saw one!
Or, as a spy master working an Op, what about the master thief in "The
Great Train Robbery"?
A combination of those would be a great Clark!
Ed Beck
I always think of Steve McQueen when I think of Clark. I think that would
have been a perfect match.
--
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Erik McVay
J. Adam Jurkowski <jurk...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in article
<529kdf$17...@msunews.cl.msu.edu>...
> In article <523rpv$i...@news.usf.edu>,
> j...@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote:
> >Chris Fleming (tea...@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
> >: >>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
> SNIP
Now here is a beef I have with the Movie makers. Defoe was *OK* as Clark,
though Berenger is my choice. But in Clear and Present Danger I really
felt that they destroyed all of Clancy's work in Without Remorse on Clark.
It seemed to me that in Clear and Present Danger (I haven't figured out the
acronyms yet:P) the movie, Clark was a washed up CIA guy, but not so in the
books.
Hope I am not spoiling here, though I don't think I am.
Erik.
Timothy Lee Crawford
>>
>>>> I never liked Defoe for Clark, and I picture him as an older guy,
>>>>
>>>> I've benn thinking and thinking about it, and I still don't find
>>>> anyone, but it can't be anyone younger than 50 (remember,, his
>>>> daughter is about to marry Ding).
A few possibilities, first Jan Michal Vincent, remember the menacing
look in his eyes in "Airwolf"? Tom Berenger from "Platoon", "Someone
to Watch Over Me" ect. From the TV show "Homicide" Richard Belzer
(no really watch it). My personal favorite is also from "Homicide"
Yaphat Koto
Tero Narinen
something. The guy who played Detective Poulson at "Murder One".
He's quite ordinary looking but if needed he's got that look in his eyes. He
needs more muscles though.
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Tracy Justus
Well, he certainly wasn't a school boy in "Without Remourse". He was a
cold
collected killer in that book and this was before he went to the Farm.
Also, I remember reading an artical that mentioned that he had combat
experience
from the Vietnam war. The artical was about the TV program he played in
called
"China Beach" and they choose him because of that experience. Or was
that a
different actor I was thinking of? (I'm real bad with names and faces).
Michael W. Ellis wrote:
>
> My impression of Defoe's version of Clark was not favorable. This has very
> little too do with Defoe's acting ability, but very much to do with the script
> that he was given. Hollywood's version of CaPD turned Clark into a mercenary.
> While there were many areas of the movie that were dramatically different from
> the book, the portrayal of Clark as a mercenary has been my major complaint with
> the movie. i know that the story has to be cut to fit the 2 hour time frame, but
> to butcher any character in this manner is unforgivable (IMHO).
>
> On the other hand, a bad adaptation of a TC novel is still better than a lot of
> the garbage out there (again, IMHO).
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Jay R. Ashworth
Michael W. Ellis wrote:
>On the other hand, a bad adaptation of a TC novel is still better than a lot of
>the garbage out there (again, IMHO).
I disagree, strongly, and I'll tell you why.
You can only shoot a movie once.
Well, ok, remakes, but not on any realistic timeframe. So, if you
screw it up, no one else can come along and do it _right_. This Is Not
Good.
Cheers,
-- jra
woody lee
Mr. Clark? Why Harrison Ford would be a natural. "Force Ten from Navarone"
(this is in the two-week 20 part mini-series version directed by Barry
Levinson.)
Rocky (woo...@clark.net)
Mark Williamson
>> >A few possibilities, first Jan Michal Vincent, remember the menacing
JMV is a washup. He's on drugs, in and out of jail, looser. Tom B.,
though, now there's a character. VTC - very tough customer.
wonder how Tom Berenger would do playing a Russian Journalist in
Executive Orders - The Movie :)
Victor Tan
Clint Eastwood would have been interesting.... Hm...
- Victor Tan