Elven nicknames
Staffan Ågren
Could someone tell me which elven characters in Middle Earth that have
been known by their nicknames, and what their real names was? =
I know, for example, that the names Gil-galad and Galadriel were
nicknames. Gil-galad's real name was Ereinion and Galadriel's real names
(she had two of them, one given by her father and one given by her
mother) were Artanis and Nerwen. (The nickname Galadriel was furthermore
a sindarian translation of the nickname that Celeborn gave her;
Alat=E1riel.) It was an elven tradition to give elves a nickname.
There should be more elves that have been known by their nicknames. Does
anyone know about this? Please answer.
Mattias "Bruce Ericson" =C5gren
PS. I got all the information from the book Unfinished Tales.
Sigurd Erland
Staffan =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5gren?= <staffa...@rss-fukia.se> wrote:
>Mattias "Bruce Ericson" =C5gren
An obvious example would be Thingol, who's real name was Elwe. Also,
Finrod was called Felagund, although I believe Finrod also was much
used.
Sigurd Erland
Bill MacLean
Wasn't Feanor a nickname of sorts given to him by his mother? I don't have the book in front of me, but I
think his real name something else, and that Feanor means something like "spirit of fire".
Thanks,
Bill MacLean
E. Vermaas
Bill MacLean <bmac...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Thanks,
>Bill MacLean
Aren't all elven names nicknames? I mean don't they all tell
something about the charater? You're right about Feanor, I too can
remember his name had something to do with a hot-temper (spirit of
fire if you like)
Grtz: Shadow
p.glou...@tip.nl
Quico Gil
Bill MacLean wrote:
>
> Wasn't Feanor a nickname of sorts given to him by his mother? I don't > have the book in front of me, but I
> think his real name something else, and that Feanor means something like > "spirit of fire".
It's said (in the Silmarillion) that the name of Feanor was Curufinwe,
but his mother called him Feanor (spirit of fire). If you look at the
history of Maeglin, he was given a secret name by his mother, Aredhel,
but Eol didn't give him a name (Maeglin) until he was twelve. Maybe the
point is that Elves had two names, one from their father and another
from their mother, instead of having a name and a sort of "nickname".
That's what I think, at least...
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Sigurd Erland (ser...@olivetti.no) wrote:
> Staffan =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5gren?= <staffa...@rss-fukia.se> wrote:
> >Could someone tell me which elven characters in Middle Earth that have
> >been known by their nicknames, and what their real names was? =
Most of the Noldor in Middle Earth had two names (the original Quenya
version and its Sindarin equivalent).
Examples:
Sind. Quen.
Finrod Findarato
Fingon Findakano
Elu Thingol Elwe Sindacollo
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Incanus
Quico Gil <ki...@svt.es> wrote:
> Bill MacLean wrote:
> >
> > Wasn't Feanor a nickname of sorts given to him by his mother? I don't
> > have the book in front of me, but I think his real name something else,
> > and that Feanor means something like "spirit of fire".
>
> It's said (in the Silmarillion) that the name of Feanor was Curufinwe,
> but his mother called him Feanor (spirit of fire). If you look at the
> history of Maeglin, he was given a secret name by his mother, Aredhel,
> but Eol didn't give him a name (Maeglin) until he was twelve. Maybe the
> point is that Elves had two names, one from their father and another
> from their mother, instead of having a name and a sort of "nickname".
> That's what I think, at least...
Actually, they usually had more than two names.
There were two "essi" (singular "esse"), which were given by the
parents, one from each: examples are Artanis and Nerwen, "father-name"
and "mother-name" (respectively) given by Finarfin and Earwer to their
only daughter.
"Epessi" were names given by other people -- usually friends, but often
enemies as well -- and were mostly describing a prominent feature of the
feature. To continue the above example, Finarfin's daughter was was
given epesse Alatariel by her husband, and that name was in Sindarin
translated as Galadriel.
Concerning the "essi", the one given by the father was usually without
meaning and was -- in case of a male child -- resebling the father's
own. Since the Elven women were gifted with a limited foresight,
especially when it comes to their children (which was somewhat preserved
in the Dunedain -- Aragorn's mother thus named him Estel), names given
by them were closely linked to the true nature and the destiny of their
children. Thus Feanor is not his nickname, but a true name -- maybe even
more true than the one given by his father. As we saw in the
Silmarillion, he was indeed closely linked with fire -- both literally
as a smith and jeweller, and spiritually as a rebel and leader of his
people.
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Incanus