[film] Weird Elijah Wood Rolling Stone interview
Cave Troll
Rolling Stone interview. Wood is 22, but sounds like a thirteen
year old at times... <shrug>
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. . .Wood explains that a feature of life on the Rings set was
an increase in word power inspired by an obsession with uncouth
British humor. "I've gained an appreciation of the word cunt,"
he explains. "Negative words - the best thing is to diffuse
them by using and taking the meaning away. Cunt! Cunt! It's a
great, great word. Very forceful."
It was not Wood but Viggo Mortensen who was the most obsessed.
"He became utterly fascinated with it," says Wood, "and it became
the word of the film. Their Winnebago for makeup was called the
Cuntebago. I was not a part of the Cuntebago unfortunately - it
was the makeup room of Orlando, Viggo and Sean Bean - but it was a
lovely place to visit. Cuntebago T-shirts were made up. There was
a Cunty Christmas and we had a Cunty Christmas tree, all this stuff.
Cate Blanchett [who plays the elf queen Galadriel] was deemed Her
Cuntliness."
Rolling Stone: And Cate was fine with this?
He nods. "It was an honor."
Rolling Stone: Um, did Sir Ian join in all of this?
"No, he didn't, come to mind."
[ SNIP }
Mostly, what one hears from those who shared his company in
New Zealand are testaments to Wood's maturity. [CT: !?] It is Wood
who describes a rare exception to this - a night out in Wellington
drinking vodka and cranberry juice that ended with Wood and
fellow hobbit Dominic Monaghan climbing up a fountain statue
that had been annoying Wood and pissing in it as Liv Tyler,
cast as Arwen the elf princess, looked on and said (Wood does a
high-pitched Tyler impression), "Guys, what are you doing? Did
you just piss in the fountain?" He enjoys this story. "Funny
though," he says. "Good memories."
[ snip ]
Now, more than a year later, Wood is considering another Lord
of the Rings tattoo. In the first movie, Frodo is stabbed above
the heart, a wound that never truly heals. Wood wants to get that
wound inscribed onto his chest, just a simple black line or a white
scar on his flesh to mark where the blade entered and the injury
remained. "It would be a really brilliant personal Frodo tattoo to
have," he says. "That little scar that would never go away."
[ snip ]
Elijah Wood has the ring. There were other rings, used for different
shots, but he has the ring he wore: the ring that was the ring.
Jackson gave it to him in a wooden box as he left New Zealand at
the end of filming. "It is the one ring," he says, "which is a pretty
great thing to have."
He keeps the ring in his office. It's put away, out of sight.
I ask Wood whether he often takes it out and fondles it.
"No," he says. "I haven't taken it out in quite some time. I'd
rather just keep it hidden away for now."
He has the ring. He mentions that he also wants the sword, but
they still need that for pickup shots...
From:
http://rollingstone.com/mv_news/newsarticle.asp?nid=15574
Fish Eye no Miko
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> CAVE TROLL finds Elijah Wood rather juvenile in the following
> Rolling Stone interview. Wood is 22, but sounds like a thirteen
> year old at times... <shrug>
I agree...
> ------------------------------------------
>
> . . .Wood explains that a feature of life on the Rings set was
> an increase in word power inspired by an obsession with uncouth
> British humor. "I've gained an appreciation of the word cunt,"
> he explains. "Negative words - the best thing is to diffuse
> them by using and taking the meaning away. Cunt! Cunt! It's a
> great, great word. Very forceful."
My respect for Wood plummeted when I heard this (I read about it
elsewhere).
> It was not Wood but Viggo Mortensen who was the most obsessed.
> "He became utterly fascinated with it," says Wood, "and it became
> the word of the film. Their Winnebago for makeup was called the
> Cuntebago. I was not a part of the Cuntebago unfortunately - it
> was the makeup room of Orlando, Viggo and Sean Bean - but it was
> a lovely place to visit. Cuntebago T-shirts were made up. There was
> a Cunty Christmas and we had a Cunty Christmas tree, all this stuff.
> Cate Blanchett [who plays the elf queen Galadriel] was deemed Her
> Cuntliness."
> Rolling Stone: And Cate was fine with this?
> He nods. "It was an honor."
Well, if one woman likes it, it must be ok.
So if I call one black person a nigger and s/he's ok with it, does that
mean it's ok to use it?
Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front of the wrong
person and gets smacked for it.
--
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"This is Precious Roy, and you kids better pay for that lap dance!"
_Precious Roy, _Sifl & Olly_.
Ville Salo
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>Well, if one woman likes it, it must be ok.
>So if I call one black person a nigger and s/he's ok with it, does that
>mean it's ok to use it?
>
>Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front of the wrong
>person and gets smacked for it.
You don't seem to understand humor. It was clearly an inside, running
joke within the crew. I doubt that Wood would say that to someone who
wasn't his friend. It was a joke! A stupid little funny joke! You do
joke with your friends, do you?
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Fish Eye no Miko
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> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:36:05 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
> >Well, if one woman likes it, it must be ok.
> >So if I call one black person a nigger and s/he's ok with it, does that
> >mean it's ok to use it?
> >
> >Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front of the
wrong
> >person and gets smacked for it.
>
> You don't seem to understand humor.
When I find some, yes I do.
> It was clearly an inside, running joke within the crew. I doubt that Wood
> would say that to someone who wasn't his friend. It was a joke! A stupid
> little funny joke! You do joke with your friends, do you?
Yes, but I don't go around saying "Nigger, nigger! Look, it's the
Niggerbus and there's our Black friend, King Nigger!"
Catherine Johnson.
D.G. Porter
I think we're dealing with one of The Humorless. They come in all
colours, all stripes, all genders and all political persuazhuns.
D.G. Porter
Please come down off your high horse. A lot of guys think the word
"dick" is pretty funny, especially since it also dubles as a real name.
"Putz" is also funny, even funnier. Putzabego. We wish you a Putzy
Christmas. Or a Putzy Hannukha.
BTW, have you ever read that tiresome book "The Exorcist"? (OT
question.)
Cave Troll
|Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
[snip of Elijah Wood's amusement at the word 'cunt']
|My respect for Wood plummeted when I heard this (I read about it
|elsewhere).
[ snip ]
|> Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front
|>of the wrong person and gets smacked for it.
|
|Please come down off your high horse.
CAVE TROLL puzzled at people's shared amusement with Elijah's
crude humor sense. When I first read article I thought "What is
Elijah doing? He's going to alienate his fans." But it seem Mr.
Wood knows the ways of many (?) of today's population, note some
in NG rushing in to defend Wood's revelry in locker room humor
with a sense of pride almost. Odd.
For the record CAVE TROLL thinks Wood sounds like an immature
nitwit.
Fish Eye no Miko
> DG Porter said:
> |Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>
> [snip of Elijah Wood's amusement at the word 'cunt']
>
> |My respect for Wood plummeted when I heard this (I read about it
> |elsewhere).
>
> [ snip ]
>
> |> Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front
> |>of the wrong person and gets smacked for it.
> |
> |Please come down off your high horse.
>
> CAVE TROLL puzzled at people's shared amusement with Elijah's
> crude humor sense.
Indeed...
> When I first read article I thought "What is Elijah doing? He's going to
alienate
> his fans." But it seem Mr. Wood knows the ways of many (?) of today's
> population, note some in NG rushing in to defend Wood's revelry in locker
> room humor with a sense of pride almost. Odd.
And note that they're male. I'm interested in hearting what the lady fans
think.
> For the record CAVE TROLL thinks Wood sounds like an immature
> nitwit.
<nods>
D.G. Porter
Maybe it's "British" thing.
I always thought the word "cunt" was a funny sound.
As far as getting obsessed, some guys in this band (now defunct) once
got obsessed with Colonel Sanders' Kentucky Fried Beaks and Feet.
"Bucket o' Beaks" and such. Then they started the "beak" jokes. "And
with that enigmatic introduction, we return to 'Escape from Planet of
the Beaks.' "Beaking right along now..." Sometimes these things take
on a life of their own.
Haven't the English always been more comfortable with "body humor" than
Americans?
And now for a tune by Hank Purcell:
[belch] Pox on you!
[belch] Pox on you!
[belch] Pox on you! For a fop, your ftomach too queafy!
Cannot I belch, cannot I belch and fart, you coxcomb, to eafe me?
What if I let fly-y-y-y in your face, and shall pleafe ye!
Fough! Fough! <Pox on you!>
Fough! Fough! <Pox on you!>
How four he fmells, now he's at it, now he's at it again!
Out ye beaft! Out ye beaft!
I never met fo nafty a man!
I'm unable to bear it! What the devil d'ya mean!
No lefs than a Caefar, no lefs than a Caefar,
No, no, no lefs than a Caefar decreed with great reafon,
No reftraint, no reftraint fhould be laid on the bum or the weafon,
For belching and farting were always in feafon!
Eric San Juan
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> "Ville Salo" <ville...@uta.fi> wrote in message
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>
> > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:36:05 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> > <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Well, if one woman likes it, it must be ok.
> > >So if I call one black person a nigger and s/he's ok with it, does
that
> > >mean it's ok to use it?
> > It was clearly an inside, running joke within the crew. I doubt that
Wood
> > would say that to someone who wasn't his friend. It was a joke! A
stupid
> > little funny joke! You do joke with your friends, do you?
>
> Yes, but I don't go around saying "Nigger, nigger! Look, it's the
> Niggerbus and there's our Black friend, King Nigger!"
Let me get this straight so I understand, since you've now gone this
route twice: Are you equating using the word "cunt" with calling a black
person a "nigger?"
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
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> > "Ville Salo" <ville...@uta.fi> wrote in message
> > news:90dd9u8atogm13g1f...@4ax.com...
> >
> > > It was clearly an inside, running joke within the crew. I doubt that
> > > Wood would say that to someone who wasn't his friend. It was a
> > > joke! A stupid little funny joke! You do joke with your friends,
> > > do you?
> >
> > Yes, but I don't go around saying "Nigger, nigger! Look, it's the
> > Niggerbus and there's our Black friend, King Nigger!"
>
> Let me get this straight so I understand, since you've now gone this
> route twice: Are you equating using the word "cunt" with calling a black
> person a "nigger?"
Just so we're clear:
Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
Now, look at the contexts. If I just walked around saying "nigger" (not
directing it at anyone), it's the same saying Elijah and his friends
walking around saying "cunt" (again, not directing it at anyone). And
since Elijah & co were calling a female cast member "Cuntess" (or some
such), isn't that the same thing as me calling a Black man King Nigger or
something?
Catherine Johnson.
--
dis "able" to reply
"Please don't throw chi aboard the bus..."
-Tetsuya, _Fushigi Yuugi_ OVA omake, part 1.
D.G. Porter
>
Just playing Divel's Advocate here...
From Robert Crumb's "Whiteman," 1967 or so:
Two Hours Later [outside "Bud's Club":]
"I feel better now... Had a few ... Guess I'll head on home now and
catch the late news..."
"! -- What's that music? Sounds like a parade but it's so far away..."
[An Uppitty Negroe approaches Whiteman:] "HEY MISTAH! DEY'S A COMIN'!"
[Whiteman turns and runs:] "LEAVE ME ALONE!"
"I can't stand it... What if someone seen me like this? In this state
of F E A R !"
[A crowd gathers:] "HAW HAW!" "Lez pull his pants down!" "HAR! Git
Whitey!"
"NO! PLEASE! Thin of my DIGNITY! My FAMILY! Help! Police!"
[They pull down his pants:] "HEE HAW!" "HAW HAR!" "HAR HAR!"
[Whiteman kneels in shame, butt-naked before the crowd:] "Oh God I'm so
embarrassed!"
"He so em-bare-assed! HAR HAR!"
"HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO ME... I'm WHITEMAN!"
"Yeah, well, liz'n, bud. You just a NIGGER like evva body else! No
more, no less, mutha!"
"But, I..."
"Be cool, dad! Liss'n! Hear dat laughin' and singin' comin' down the
street?"
"I don't hear nothin'! Scram!"
"Man, you is jes' plain nasty! C'mon, nigger! Yo' got music in yo'
soul! Remember?"
[Whiteman pulls up his pants:] "I don't know what you're talking
about!"
"Sho' nuff! He plum fergot! Hee! Hey c'mon! We's all joinin' the
parade! Yowsuh! Ah gots happy feet!"
WILL WHITEMAN JOIN THE PARADE?
"Is it too late? Foolish nonsense. Hmm, maybe some other time -I...
It seems rather silly. Low class... What's the world coming to? Might
be fun..."
OH, EVENTUALLY!
[The End.]
Kiyone
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British, though I live in Canada. I, personally, found it pretty funny what
he was saying. Just to get a picture of all the guys sitting in the
"cuntabago" and joking around about it... funny thought, no? Also, what I
found funny, was that I always thought of Elijah as such a little kid and
being so innocent and everything, and then to hear of him doing stuff like
that, it's sorta amusing. Of course, I always have had a sorta warped sense
of humor. I don't see why you'd take offence to something some ppl were just
joking around about... it's not like they were TRYING to insult someone, or
anything like that.
--
@--;--- Kiyone xoxo
http://kiyone.cjb.net (I appologize for the popups. >_<)
Stefan Walker
> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
That depends. It's a derogatory term used against anyone, at least in UK
dialect.
Equating it with 'nigger' is sophistry.
kafine
<Elijah Wood discusses his new favourite word:>. "I've gained an
appreciation of the word cunt,"
> > he explains. "Negative words - the best thing is to diffuse
> > them by using and taking the meaning away. Cunt! Cunt! It's a
> > great, great word. Very forceful."
>
> My respect for Wood plummeted when I heard this (I read about it
> elsewhere).
In his defense, the girl he was seeing while he was over here is currently
starring in The Vagina Monologues, and might have been in preparation at the
time for it, and it is possible that the word was picked up from her - there
is a scene in the play where "cunt" is chanted at the audience, and they are
invited to sing the "Cunt Song". The point being to reclaim the word,
because, as the dialogue suggests, the word "vagina" just doesn't sound good
any way you say it.
Or then again, maybe not. It's just the first thing that sprang to my mind
when I read the interview; "he must have picked that up from Madaline".
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
>
> That depends. It's a derogatory term used against anyone, at least in UK
> dialect.
I'm not English. Neither, for that matter, is Elijah. And this was an
article in Rolling Stone, which isn't an British magazine.
> Equating it with 'nigger' is sophistry.
Congratulations, you used a word I had to look up (I'm not being
facetious). Part of the definition says that sophistry involves deceit. I
assure you there was none on my part. I DO think the term cunt is
equivalent to nigger (or faggot or kike or spic), both in its intensity and
(at least here in the US) the fact that it's used against a specific group
as a way of demeaning them.
Catherine Johnson.
--
dis "able" to reply
"There are fifteen different kinds of animation in this movie--and they all
suck."
-Christina Holland, stomptokyo.com, on Ralph Bakshi's animated version
of _Lord of the Rings_.
danglo
> Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
How about when blacks use it?
> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
danglo
>>
>
> For the record CAVE TROLL thinks Wood sounds like an immature
> nitwit.
For the record I think that people who refer to themselves in the third
person as a mythical creature sound like sad immature dweebs
Stefan Walker
> "Stefan Walker" <stefan...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
> > news:mSAl8.15268$J54.9...@news1.west.cox.net...
> >
> > > Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
> >
> > That depends. It's a derogatory term used against anyone, at least in UK
> > dialect.
>
> I'm not English. Neither, for that matter, is Elijah. And this was an
> article in Rolling Stone, which isn't an British magazine.
>
a lot of colloqiual dialect would be similar.
The fact that the article was part of an American magazine is neither here
nor there. It was merely reporting an experience that Elijah related to
them.
> > Equating it with 'nigger' is sophistry.
>
> Congratulations, you used a word I had to look up (I'm not being
> facetious). Part of the definition says that sophistry involves deceit.
I
> assure you there was none on my part. I DO think the term cunt is
> equivalent to nigger (or faggot or kike or spic), both in its intensity
and
> (at least here in the US) the fact that it's used against a specific group
> as a way of demeaning them.
>
Perhaps in the US. Twat is a deragotory word over in the UK. As in "You are
a twat" - Meaning somebody is an idiot.
I think it's more puerile than offensive.
bernard....@dodge_thislido-tech.net
>
> Fish Eye no Miko <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in >
>> Just so we're clear:
>> Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
>
> How about when blacks use it?
That makes no difference. Why would it?
>> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
>
> No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
Was that really necessary?
Cheers,
Bernard
Victoria Clare
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>
> For the record CAVE TROLL thinks Wood sounds like an immature
> nitwit.
>
I'm with the Troll.
And I'm English.
As my Grandad would have said, as his most devastating form of
condemnation: Wood has shown that he is *not a gentleman*.
I have met adult English men who would consider this word an acceptable
form of humour in mixed company, but most would be embarrassed. As an
insult against a man, well maybe. For a woman, no. Offensive.
I don't know enough Scots to judge, but the same goes for the Welsh, only
more so.
Victoria
Stefan Walker
<bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
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Un-necessary but it does prove a point.
bernard....@dodge_thislido-tech.net
Either it proves a point or it's unnecessary.
Cheers,
Bernard
Stefan Walker
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required as a demonstration.
bernard....@dodge_thislido-tech.net
Walker wrote:
>
><bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
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>> In article <a777ue$dhq$1...@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, Stefan
>> Walker wrote:
>> >
>> ><bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
>> > news:a774fj$qgk$1...@news.tpi.pl...
>> >> In article <a773qn$9av$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>, danglo wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Fish Eye no Miko <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in >
>> >> >> Just so we're clear:
>> >> >> Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
>> >> >
>> >> > How about when blacks use it?
>> >>
>> >> That makes no difference. Why would it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
>> >> >
>> >> > No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
>> >>
>> >> Was that really necessary?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Either it proves a point or it's unnecessary.
>>
> Tsk. I meant it proves the insult can be used generally.
I don't think that was ever in question. The statement
"'cunt' is a derogatory word for women"
doesn't suggest the word can't be used in other ways.
> But it wasn't required as a demonstration.
Here we agree.
Cheers,
Bernard
Stefan Walker
<bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
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>
> I don't think that was ever in question. The statement
>
> "'cunt' is a derogatory word for women"
>
> doesn't suggest the word can't be used in other ways.
>
women. Not, "It can be a deragotory word for woman"
It has other uses, and in the UK a 'cunt' is generally used in the same way
as 'twat' to describe a person who's a tad idiotic.
i.e "You stupid cunt".
p.s This is not directed at you :o)
> > But it wasn't required as a demonstration.
>
> Here we agree.
>
<Huge applause>
bernard....@dodge_thislido-tech.net
Walker wrote:
>
><bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> I don't think that was ever in question. The statement
>>
>> "'cunt' is a derogatory word for women"
>>
>> doesn't suggest the word can't be used in other ways.
>>
> The implication was more generalised. i.e It "is a" derogatory word for
> women. Not, "It can be a deragotory word for woman"
> It has other uses, and in the UK a 'cunt' is generally used in the same way
> as 'twat' to describe a person who's a tad idiotic.
Yes, I realise that. I just think that the lady who started this whole
dialog (still not quite a flame war :) has a right to be offended by
the word "cunt" precisely because one of its meanings is "derogatory
term for women". It may be a cultural difference or it may be personal
to her, but I think that opinion should be respected (if not
necessarily shared). That's why I found the "stop acting like a cunt"
statement out of line and reacted.
> i.e "You stupid cunt".
I know you are, but what am I? :-)
> p.s This is not directed at you :o)
I certainly didn't take it personally. :)
>> > But it wasn't required as a demonstration.
>>
>> Here we agree.
>>
><Huge applause>
<Bows profusely>
Cheers,
Bernard
Jon Hall
"Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front of the wrong
> person and gets smacked for it.
Why?
Good old Anglo Saxon word - I'm sure the proff would have agreed!
Jon.
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Stefan Walker
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> In article <a77aj6$ep8$1...@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, Stefan
> Walker wrote:
> >
> ><bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
> > news:a77a37$2rq$1...@news.tpi.pl...
> >>
> >> I don't think that was ever in question. The statement
> >>
> >> "'cunt' is a derogatory word for women"
> >>
> >> doesn't suggest the word can't be used in other ways.
> >>
> > The implication was more generalised. i.e It "is a" derogatory word for
> > women. Not, "It can be a deragotory word for woman"
> > It has other uses, and in the UK a 'cunt' is generally used in the same
way
> > as 'twat' to describe a person who's a tad idiotic.
>
> Yes, I realise that. I just think that the lady who started this whole
> dialog (still not quite a flame war :) has a right to be offended by
> the word "cunt" precisely because one of its meanings is "derogatory
> term for women". It may be a cultural difference or it may be personal
> to her, but I think that opinion should be respected (if not
> necessarily shared). That's why I found the "stop acting like a cunt"
> statement out of line and reacted.
>
>
intelligent manner.
I agree. The lady found it insulting. Elijah and his merry band do
themselves no favours at all considering the cultural and gender mix on the
film set.
Ville Salo
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>And note that they're male. I'm interested in hearting what the lady fans
>think.
You don't seem to understand that the female actors were in on the
joke as well and found it funny. And yes it is locker-room humor. It
is completely understandable that the standard of their jokes went
down as they spent more and more time together. Have you ever been to
a camp? Had a long sailing trip with your friends? Been in the army?
Out hiking? On a long work assignment with co-workers you are well
related to? (and before you ask, yes I have and yes there were women
around, even in the army) In all those situations there's bound to be
a stupid inside-joke. It's not meant to be funny to others and it
probably isn't. I don't find anything funny about it, but I wasn't in
on the joke. It is a stupid, crude inside joke, not meant to funny in
any context other than the fact that it's a joke.
It might as well have been about Gandalf's great big staff or about
hobbit humping or anything.
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Ville Salo
Troll) wrote:
>DG Porter said:
>|Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>
>[snip of Elijah Wood's amusement at the word 'cunt']
>
>|My respect for Wood plummeted when I heard this (I read about it
>|elsewhere).
>
>[ snip ]
>
>|> Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front
>|>of the wrong person and gets smacked for it.
>|
>|Please come down off your high horse.
>
>CAVE TROLL puzzled at people's shared amusement with Elijah's
>crude humor sense.
A stupid inside joke is not a measurement of one's humor sense. Don't
you have an inside joke with your friends that no-one else would find
funny? Do you have any friends?
>When I first read article I thought "What is
>Elijah doing? He's going to alienate his fans." But it seem Mr.
>Wood knows the ways of many (?) of today's population, note some
>in NG rushing in to defend Wood's revelry in locker room humor
>with a sense of pride almost. Odd.
If he would have told this as a joke, I would be shocked as well, but
he was just telling us about their inside-joke (I've been repeating
that word so many times, you people should finally understand what it
means) I think it was a nice little story about how full of humor and
good jest they were during the shoot.
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Lori Holuta
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:54:30 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<snip to the chase>
>It's not meant to be funny to others and it
> probably isn't. I don't find anything funny about it, but I wasn't in
> on the joke. It is a stupid, crude inside joke, not meant to funny in
> any context other than the fact that it's a joke.
And this would be fine, *except* Elijah chose to talk about it publically in
an interview, thus making us ALL privy to something that isn't funny to a
lot of us.
'nuf from me.
Lori Holuta
CocoaJava
http://cocoajava.com
Jon Hall
In Medieval times it was 'Grope Cunt Lane'.
Just thought you might like to know...
Jon Hall
"Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
Not in the UK!
bernard....@dodge_thislido-tech.net
> In message <mSAl8.15268$J54.9...@news1.west.cox.net>
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
>> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
>
> Not in the UK!
Yes it is. The difference is that in the UK it also has other
meanings.
Cheers,
Bernard
bernard....@dodge_thislido-tech.net
wrote:
Are you aware of the definition of "inside-joke"? It's meant to stay
"inside". You get it, doncha? Come one, think about it, it's easy.
Cheers,
Bernard
Aris Katsaris
"danglo" <d...@njkama.oz> wrote in message
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>
> No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
Perhaps Elijah Wood didn't mean to insult someone with the word,
but you definitely did, so you are definitely an asshole.
Don't act like that EVER again.
Aris Katsaris
Jon Hall
bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net wrote:
No it's not - it's a derogatory term - period.
Stefan Walker
<bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
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Lita
> "Stefan Walker" <stefan...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:a76vuj$a82$1...@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net...
>
> > "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
> > news:mSAl8.15268$J54.9...@news1.west.cox.net...
> >
> > > Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
> >
> > That depends. It's a derogatory term used against anyone, at least in UK
> > dialect.
>
> I'm not English. Neither, for that matter, is Elijah. And this was an
> article in Rolling Stone, which isn't an British magazine.
I am an American who lived in the UK for a while when I was Elijah's age, and
had many NZ friends (Both there and when I returned here). "Cunt" is not nearly
as strong and offensive a word in the UK and NZ as it is in North America. I
actually got quite used to it. People would use it there about someone, male or
female, in the same context that North Americans would use the word "prick" or
"asshole." My flatmate was delayed getting home from work one night when I had
prepared a special dinner, and came in with the excuse "Some anonymous cunt
locked his bike to mine and I had to wait for him to leave the pub."
Anyway, I was not offended my Elijah's interview. He seemed like a pretty
typical 20 or 21 year old who had just spend a long time in NZ, working hard
and having a lot of fun. Why must everyone grow up and be serious so quickly?
Cheers,
Lita
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Emma Taylor
"D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@SENDMENOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Ville Salo wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:36:05 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> > <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Well, if one woman likes it, it must be ok.
> > >So if I call one black person a nigger and s/he's ok with it, does that
> > >mean it's ok to use it?
> > >
> > >Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front of the
wrong
> > >person and gets smacked for it.
> >
> > joke within the crew. I doubt that Wood would say that to someone who
> > wasn't his friend. It was a joke! A stupid little funny joke! You do
> > joke with your friends, do you?
>
> I think we're dealing with one of The Humorless. They come in all
> colours, all stripes, all genders and all political persuazhuns.
Well, everybody has a different sense of humour. Some people have absolutely
none at all, more's the pity.
Emma
Ville Salo
bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net wrote:
>Are you aware of the definition of "inside-joke"? It's meant to stay
>"inside". You get it, doncha? Come one, think about it, it's easy.
Yeah, well he didn't spread the joke, per se. He just told that they
had an inside joke about cunts.
--
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ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Fish Eye no Miko
> <bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
> news:a7787i$mu5$1...@news.tpi.pl...
> > In article <a777ue$dhq$1...@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, Stefan
> > Walker wrote:
> >
> > >> > No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
> > >>
> > >> Was that really necessary?
> > >
> > > Un-necessary but it does prove a point.
> >
> > Either it proves a point or it's unnecessary.
> >
> Tsk. I meant it proves the insult can be used generally.
Your point that it cold be better made if you had used the term against a
man. Calling a woman a cunt kinda supports my point...
Catherine Johnson.
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of _Lord of the Rings_.
Emma Taylor
clever (what he said, I mean), and yet this newsgroup finds time to
er....analyse it. Yes, it sounds infinitely stupid, but people say
infinitely stupid stuff all the time. People joke all the time. Nobody
bothers to analyse _that_. Let him say what he wants, if he wants to be
judged as an idiot.
Emma
Fish Eye no Miko
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:54:30 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
> >And note that they're male. I'm interested in hearting what the lady
> >fans think.
>
> You don't seem to understand that the female actors were in on the
> joke as well and found it funny.
I saw one female referred to (A British one, I might add. No mention on
how any of the American actresses felt).
> And yes it is locker-room humor. It is completely understandable that the
> standard of their jokes went down as they spent more and more time
> together. Have you ever been to a camp? Had a long sailing trip with your
> friends? Been in the army?
Again, all these "it's an in joke" defenses are rather undermined by the
fact that Elijah has decided to discuss it publicly. In jokes and locker
room humor aren't meat for public broadcast, and when they are, they
usually get this same reaction.
Catherine Johnson.
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Fish Eye no Miko
news:1a33b3194...@tiscali.co.uk...
> In message <mSAl8.15268$J54.9...@news1.west.cox.net>
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
> > Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
>
> Not in the UK!
Fine. But guess where Elijah DOESN'T live? Yes, he was around in New
Zealand and British actors for two years, but now he's back in the States.
Just as I would not use "fanny" in Australia" cuz I know it means something
very different, he HAS to know that "cunt" means something very different
in the US. .
Fish Eye no Miko
news:a773qn$9av$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
> Fish Eye no Miko <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in >
>
> > Just so we're clear:
> > Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
>
> How about when blacks use it?
Elijah's not female, so that analogy doesn't really work.
> > Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
>
> No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
You DO know I'm a woman, right? If so thanks for helping prove my point.
If not then you're just an idiot, since my very female name is at the end
of all my posts.
Catherine Johnson.
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Fish Eye no Miko
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> We are analysing something Elijah Wood has said. It is neither witty,
> nor clever (what he said, I mean), and yet this newsgroup finds time
> to er....analyse it. Yes, it sounds infinitely stupid, but people say
> infinitely stupid stuff all the time. People joke all the time. Nobody
> bothers to analyse _that_.
If I tell a joke to Rolling Stone, I'd BETTER expect people to analyze it.
And Elijah Wood isn't new to the media.
Catherine Johnson.
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Fish Eye no Miko
> Well, everybody has a different sense of humour. Some people have
> absolutely none at all, more's the pity.
I love it. I was offended by this joke, so I have no sense of humor...
Catherine Johnson. Sheesh.
Stefan Walker
"Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
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> "Stefan Walker" <stefan...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:a7792p$e12$1...@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net...
>
> > <bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
> > news:a7787i$mu5$1...@news.tpi.pl...
> > > In article <a777ue$dhq$1...@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, Stefan
> > > Walker wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
> > > >>
> > > >> Was that really necessary?
> > > >
> > > > Un-necessary but it does prove a point.
> > >
> > > Either it proves a point or it's unnecessary.
> > >
> > Tsk. I meant it proves the insult can be used generally.
>
> Your point that it cold be better made if you had used the term against a
> man. Calling a woman a cunt kinda supports my point...
>
I never said that. Please reply to the correct part of the thread.
Fish Eye no Miko
Ok.
Catherine Johnson.
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Fish Eye no Miko
> <bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
> news:a774fj$qgk$1...@news.tpi.pl...
> > In article <a773qn$9av$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>, danglo wrote:
> > > Fish Eye no Miko <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in >
> > >
> > >> Just so we're clear:
> > >> Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
> > >
> > > How about when blacks use it?
> >
> > That makes no difference. Why would it?
> >
> > >> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
> > >
> > > No it isnt, stop being such a cunt and get a life
> >
> > Was that really necessary?
>
> Un-necessary but it does prove a point.
What point does it prove?
Catharine Johnson.
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Ville Salo
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>"Ville Salo" <ville...@uta.fi> wrote in message
>news:oghe9ukijtken99va...@4ax.com...
>> joke as well and found it funny.
>
>I saw one female referred to (A British one, I might add. No mention on
>how any of the American actresses felt).
You really believe they were insulted? I don't. Those were stupid
jokes (I know that "it was just a joke" is often used in defence of
sexual harassment, but this time I believe everyone was in on it, of
course I can't know for sure). I don't think that if some of the
actresses wouldn't have felt comfortable with it, he wouldn't have
been in on the joke.
Imagine yourself on the set, think about the people doing long days
of shooting in the heat and whatnot and imagine the joking starting
because someone makes a blooper and says "cunt" instead of "ring",
then everyone who thinks this is funny starts joking about it. The
joke escalates into what we see here. I really don't think they called
someone their cuntliness before she had already done some cunt-talk
herself.
>> And yes it is locker-room humor. It is completely understandable that the
>> standard of their jokes went down as they spent more and more time
>> together. Have you ever been to a camp? Had a long sailing trip with your
>> friends? Been in the army?
>
>Again, all these "it's an in joke" defenses are rather undermined by the
>fact that Elijah has decided to discuss it publicly. In jokes and locker
>room humor aren't meat for public broadcast, and when they are, they
>usually get this same reaction.
He just told they had a fun in-joke and told what it was. Actors do
that all the time about crew-in-jokes and they are never funny. I
don't like them telling the joke in public, because it's not funny,
but in this case it's clear it wasn't a derogatory use. Your
comparison to the use of the word nigger is valid except that nigger
is a stronger word than cunt.
That's required of actors: They must talk nice anecdotes about the
filming in interviews. Now Elijah told that they had a funny in-joke.
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Ville Salo
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>I love it. I was offended by this joke, so I have no sense of humor...
Your sense of humor is apparently so much different from the rest of
us that it is just as good. Jokes are by definition only jokes and I
find it hard to understand how people can get so agitated about a joke
so obviously innocent. Maybe you just want to find the negative thing
about this joke and I try to think positively. I try to understand and
I think I can see the reason why you're upset. You think he was being
derogatory to women. I think that he was just telling the world how
stupid they had been on the set.
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Fish Eye no Miko
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:10:12 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> >"Ville Salo" <ville...@uta.fi> wrote in message
> >news:oghe9ukijtken99va...@4ax.com...
> >
> >> You don't seem to understand that the female actors were in on
> >> the joke as well and found it funny.
> >
> >I saw one female referred to (A British one, I might add. No mention on
> >how any of the American actresses felt).
>
> You really believe they were insulted? I don't.
Well, I suppose if they were Elijah might have mentioned it. OTOH, it's a
bit presumptuous for you to assume they weren't. That is, in fact, why I
phrased whether they were or not as vaguely as I did. I don't assume to
know if they were or not.
> Those were stupid jokes (I know that "it was just a joke" is often
> used in defence of sexual harassment,
It's used as a defense for a lot of things.
> but this time I believe everyone was in on it, of course I can't know
> for sure). I don't think that if some of the actresses wouldn't have
> felt comfortable with it, he wouldn't have been in on the joke.
Again, you're making assumptions.
> Imagine yourself on the set, think about the people doing long days
> of shooting in the heat and whatnot and imagine the joking starting
> because someone makes a blooper and says "cunt" instead of "ring",
> then everyone who thinks this is funny starts joking about it. The
> joke escalates into what we see here. I really don't think they called
> someone their cuntliness before she had already done some cunt-talk
> herself.
Fine. Again, though, perhaps that's not the sort of thing you should
repeat to a nationally published magazine.
> >> And yes it is locker-room humor. It is completely understandable that
the
> >> standard of their jokes went down as they spent more and more time
> >> together. Have you ever been to a camp? Had a long sailing trip with
your
> >> friends? Been in the army?
> >
> >Again, all these "it's an in joke" defenses are rather undermined by the
> >fact that Elijah has decided to discuss it publicly. In jokes and
locker
> >room humor aren't meat for public broadcast, and when they are, they
> >usually get this same reaction.
>
> He just told they had a fun in-joke and told what it was. Actors do
> that all the time about crew-in-jokes and they are never funny.
Well, that's for damn sure.
> I don't like them telling the joke in public, because it's not funny,
> but in this case it's clear it wasn't a derogatory use. Your
> comparison to the use of the word nigger is valid except that nigger
> is a stronger word than cunt.
Why? At least here in the US, both are derogatory terms used against a
specific group to denigrate them.
> That's required of actors: They must talk nice anecdotes about the
> filming in interviews. Now Elijah told that they had a funny in-joke.
Again though... Elijah's not new to the spotlight. Perhaps he should have
thought a bit before sharing THIS particular in-joke.
Catherine Johnson.
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Jette Goldie
In his defence - he's young, he's probably getting WAY
more press interaction than he's ever been used to
before this, and good journalists/interviewers (by that I
mean those who get stories that sell, nothing about their
own ethics <g>) are adept at getting their victims to
"open up" and spill things they really didn't mean to get
into print.
(I was trained as a journalist 25 years ago - in my day
we'd have made sure that his glass was continually
charged with whatever his favourite alcoholic beverage
is, and would have during the course of the *interview*
*accidentally* dropped one or two little *revelations*
of our own to encourage him to relax, loosen up and
let his hair down in our company. )("forget I'm a journalist -
I'm your buddy, your drinking buddy - tell me things")
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Jette Goldie
"Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
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> "Cave Troll" <c...@theblackpit.net> wrote in message
> news:293lhkwfdj...@morialevel01.com...
>
> > DG Porter said:
> > |Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> >
> >
> > |My respect for Wood plummeted when I heard this (I read about it
> > |elsewhere).
> >
> > [ snip ]
> >
> > |> Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front
> > |>of the wrong person and gets smacked for it.
> > |
> >
> > CAVE TROLL puzzled at people's shared amusement with Elijah's
> > crude humor sense.
>
> Indeed...
>
> > When I first read article I thought "What is Elijah doing? He's going to
> alienate
> > his fans." But it seem Mr. Wood knows the ways of many (?) of today's
> > population, note some in NG rushing in to defend Wood's revelry in
locker
> > room humor with a sense of pride almost. Odd.
>
> And note that they're male. I'm interested in hearting what the lady fans
> think.
OK, here's a female - and most definately a Lady - fan.
Elijah's a silly little boy - but then again he was only born
the year I got married, so what can one expect? So he
likes to play with mildly dirty words - it's not like he swore
or anything.
Jette Goldie
>
> > Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
>
> dialect.
>
Actually it is an old - and once quite respectable - term
for part of the female anatomy. It has now become a
derogatory term but once it was merely "earthy".
Jette Goldie
<bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
news:a77b9m$kvb$1...@news.tpi.pl...
> In article <a77aj6$ep8$1...@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, Stefan
> Walker wrote:
> >
> ><bernard.el-hagin@DODGE_THISlido-tech.net> wrote in message
> >>
> >> I don't think that was ever in question. The statement
> >>
> >> "'cunt' is a derogatory word for women"
> >>
> >> doesn't suggest the word can't be used in other ways.
> >>
> > The implication was more generalised. i.e It "is a" derogatory word for
> > women. Not, "It can be a deragotory word for woman"
> > It has other uses, and in the UK a 'cunt' is generally used in the same
way
> > as 'twat' to describe a person who's a tad idiotic.
>
> Yes, I realise that. I just think that the lady who started this whole
> dialog (still not quite a flame war :) has a right to be offended by
> the word "cunt" precisely because one of its meanings is "derogatory
> term for women". It may be a cultural difference or it may be personal
> to her, but I think that opinion should be respected (if not
> necessarily shared). That's why I found the "stop acting like a cunt"
> statement out of line and reacted.
>
On the other hand if *I* were to get seriously offended when
an American told me to "sit my fanny down", "shift my fanny"
or "stick this in your fanny-pack", I'd be laughed out of court
by Americans.
You see, in the UK "fanny" is the seriously rude equivilent
of "cunt". The "c" word is semi-acceptable in some places,
whereas the other is quite unacceptable in mixed company
where I live. (which would explain why the US tourist who
told the Edinburgh taxi-driver to "shift his fanny" found himself
with a black eye a moment later)
(and in certain parts of Scotland, "Twat" is merely an old
and well known family surname <g>)
Jette Goldie
"Ville Salo" <ville...@uta.fi> wrote
> Imagine yourself on the set, think about the people doing long days
> of shooting in the heat and whatnot and imagine the joking starting
> because someone makes a blooper and says "cunt" instead of "ring",
> then everyone who thinks this is funny starts joking about it. The
> joke escalates into what we see here. I really don't think they called
> someone their cuntliness before she had already done some cunt-talk
> herself.
I could probably take bets on just which one of the
Fellowship first said the word in a blooper situation ;-)
(my money is on Billy Boyd or Sean Bean)(a Glaswegian
and a Yorkshireman - both groups well ken't for their
"plain speaking" <g>)
Jette Goldie
> There's a street in York (UK) called Grape Lane.
> In Medieval times it was 'Grope Cunt Lane'.
> Just thought you might like to know...
> Jon.
>
It actually still shows up on some older maps with that
name.
Dlehmicke
>> Just thought you might like to know...
>> Jon.
>>
>
>It actually still shows up on some older maps with that
>name.
For another historic use of the word, read Patrick O'Brien's novels of 18th
century maritime England. A cunt-splice was a kind of knot used to secure
sheets or halyards to masts or yard-arms.
Jette Goldie
> "Emma Taylor" <emm...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:a77qvo$nn6$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
>
> > We are analysing something Elijah Wood has said. It is neither witty,
> > nor clever (what he said, I mean), and yet this newsgroup finds time
> > to er....analyse it. Yes, it sounds infinitely stupid, but people say
> > infinitely stupid stuff all the time. People joke all the time. Nobody
> > bothers to analyse _that_.
>
> If I tell a joke to Rolling Stone, I'd BETTER expect people to analyze it.
> And Elijah Wood isn't new to the media.
>
New, no - but you can bet that he's getting a lot more
attention from the journalists than he's had before.
Ville Salo
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>Again, you're making assumptions.
Well, you're right, I am thinking positively about the whole issue.
>> He just told they had a fun in-joke and told what it was. Actors do
>> that all the time about crew-in-jokes and they are never funny.
>
>Well, that's for damn sure.
Glad to see we agree of something.
>> I don't like them telling the joke in public, because it's not funny,
>> but in this case it's clear it wasn't a derogatory use. Your
>> comparison to the use of the word nigger is valid except that nigger
>> is a stronger word than cunt.
>
>Why? At least here in the US, both are derogatory terms used against a
>specific group to denigrate them.
It seems there's a bit of cultural difference at play here, as well.
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
> news:awzl8.14260$J54.9...@news1.west.cox.net...
> > "Cave Troll" <c...@theblackpit.net> wrote in message
> >
> > > When I first read article I thought "What is Elijah doing? He's going
to
> > > alienate his fans." But it seem Mr. Wood knows the ways of many (?)
> > > of today's population, note some in NG rushing in to defend Wood's
> > > revelry in locker room humor with a sense of pride almost. Odd.
> >
> > And note that they're male. I'm interested in hearting what the lady
fans
> > think.
>
> OK, here's a female - and most definately a Lady - fan.
>
> Elijah's a silly little boy -
He was 18 when filming started. That's not a "little boy". Besides,
didn't another part of the interview have the crew mentioning how mature he
was?
> but then again he was only born the year I got married, so what can one
> expect?
He's a kid, so it's ok for him to use dirty words? What kind of message is
that?
> So he likes to play with mildly dirty words
I'm sorry.. "cunt" is "mildly dirty"? Even amongst the British, I think
it's a pretty strong word, even if it doesn't have the same connotations it
does in the States.
Catherine Johnson.
--
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"I will take the Ring to Mordor, though I do not know the way."
-Frodo Baggins, _The Fellowship of the Ring_.
Fish Eye no Miko
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:34:33 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
> >I love it. I was offended by this joke, so I have no sense of
> >humor...
>
> Your sense of humor is apparently so much different from the rest
> of us that it is just as good. Jokes are by definition only jokes
Do you tell "Pollock" jokes? Or jokes about Blacks (if you yourself are
not Polish or Black)?
> and I find it hard to understand how people can get so agitated about
> a joke so obviously innocent.
I find the word offensive. Is that so hard for you to understand?
> Maybe you just want to find the negative thing about this joke
I'm not "trying" to find it, I DO find it. You don't, fine.
> and I try to think positively. I try to understand and I think I can see
> the reason why you're upset. You think he was being derogatory to
> women.
No, I think he's making light of a word that does.
Again, if he and the others were using the word "nigger" in the same "it's
just an in-joke" context, how would people feel?
Catherine Johnson.
Ville Salo
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>Do you tell "Pollock" jokes? Or jokes about Blacks (if you yourself are
>not Polish or Black)?
No but I do tell Swedish jokes and American jokes and even Muslim
jokes and they all tell Finnish jokes as long as they're told in good
heart, I find nothing wrong with it.
>I find the word offensive. Is that so hard for you to understand?
Actually yes. Maybe I just don't get offended that easily, especially
from a joke. Now if he would've said that all women are cunts, I
would've started thinking he is an asshole. But not now.
>> Maybe you just want to find the negative thing about this joke
>
>I'm not "trying" to find it, I DO find it. You don't, fine.
I didn't say try. I said you want to find negative things. That is the
very reason why you find them. I try to find positive things. I like
to like people, that's all.
>Again, if he and the others were using the word "nigger" in the same "it's
>just an in-joke" context, how would people feel?
Different, since it's a stronger word.
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
Chris
> There's a street in York (UK) called Grape Lane.
> Just thought you might like to know...
> Jon.
*rummages around in his pocket*
Let's see, how much is here....tuppence, hmm...that'll do...
*throws it into the fray*
(Remember it's only tuppence)
Being originally from Leicester, then moving to Yorkshire, and then
down to Wiltshire (and then to NY but that's another story), I've
moved around England quite a bit, and to be honest I personally have
_never_ heard the "c" word being used as an offensive term to women as
the "n" word is to black people.
I've only ever seen it used as mentioned above, as another meaning for
"horrible/low-life person". It is unforunate that is refers to women's
genitals, but then again, if they were in NZ in the "dickabago", and
called McKellen his royal "dickliness" no-one would have batted an
eyelid.
(I'd also would have been interested to see what people would have
said about the "p" word too.)
I have noticed being the US that the "c" word is considered _far_ more
shocking than the UK..way, way worse the the "f" word. But isn't that
why Elijah brought it up in the first place.
IMHO, the whole "exercise" was that the US has this terrible taboo
word, and the english guys were using it over and over again, robbing
the word of its "power" and taboo (for someone from the US). For you
guys in the US, it's like the Boston Public "n" word contreversy: To
use the word, or not to use the word, which is worse ?
You might notice that I haven't spelled it out. Personally for me, I
choose not to use it, in the same way I choose not to use the "f"
word, or the phrase "C. S. M. F." just because it's more polite.
Chris.
Justin Green
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:36:05 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> >
> >Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front of the wrong
> >person and gets smacked for it.
>
> joke within the crew.
My respect for Elijah dwindled (not that he would care) because this
is the second example I've heard of him parading "inside" fun he had
with the movie crew. IIRC, he is also the first to divulge what their
"fellowship" tattoo was. I can't help thinking that the rest of the
crew and cast think him pretty uncool for airing out all this stuff
out of context. But he IS pretty freaking young, so I'll cut him some
slack (not that he cares).
Fish Eye no Miko
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> My respect for Elijah dwindled (not that he would care) because
> this is the second example I've heard of him parading "inside" fun
> he had with the movie crew. IIRC, he is also the first to divulge
> what their "fellowship" tattoo was.
Yes, he was.
> I can't help thinking that the rest of the crew and cast think him
> pretty uncool for airing out all this stuff out of context. But he
> IS pretty freaking young, so I'll cut him some slack (not that he
> cares).
He's a 20 year old who's been in movies since he was 10 (at least). It's
not like he's new at ANY of this. Ok, he's getting more attention for this
role, but I'm not sure if the characterization of him as a little kid who
doesn't know what he's doing is accurate.
Ville Salo
>My respect for Elijah dwindled (not that he would care) because this
>is the second example I've heard of him parading "inside" fun he had
>with the movie crew. IIRC, he is also the first to divulge what their
>"fellowship" tattoo was. I can't help thinking that the rest of the
>crew and cast think him pretty uncool for airing out all this stuff
>out of context. But he IS pretty freaking young, so I'll cut him some
>slack (not that he cares).
That would do the trick for me too. But interviewers always ask about
this stuff and I don't understand why, does someone think listening to
other people's inside-jokes is fun?
--
Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi
BaldiePete
In Scotland I've also heard it used as a descriptive word to describe
something broken. For example,
"The car's engine was totally cunted"
or
"The glass in the bus-stop was cunted out"
BaldiePete
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"Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
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> > and I find it hard to understand how people can get so agitated about
> > a joke so obviously innocent.
>
> I find the word offensive. Is that so hard for you to understand?
>
> > Maybe you just want to find the negative thing about this joke
>
> I'm not "trying" to find it, I DO find it. You don't, fine.
>
> > and I try to think positively. I try to understand and I think I can see
> > the reason why you're upset. You think he was being derogatory to
> > women.
>
> No, I think he's making light of a word that does.
Katherine, for your blood pressure, I hope you don't come to
Spain (or learn Spaniard Spanish) any time soon. The equivalent
to the "c" word ("coño") is so, but so, but so common in the
Spanish speech (to indicate surprise, anger, as a word inside
normal question as "what **** is happening?", and, yes, sometimes
to mean its real sense) that in some Latin American countries
they have called us, sometimes, the "coños". For instance, when after
the Spanish Civil War, a group of exiles went to Chile, they
were received with a big sign saying (I translate) "Welcome
the Republican c***s". It was embarrasing, but mostly funny.
Antonio
PS: And I do think you are exaggerating. Wood wasn't neither insulting
a woman, nor describing derogatory a group. So, why are you so
offended? Aren't you being oversensitive?
Taemon
> For the record CAVE TROLL thinks Wood sounds like an immature
> nitwit.
In defense of Wood, I read the interview (thanks for the link) and the
rest was better. He's 21 and not completely grown-up yet. Morgensen,
on the other hand, might not be very grateful to Wood for telling this
in public.
Greetings, T.
Taemon
> Elijah's a silly little boy - but then again he was only born
> the year I got married, so what can one expect? So he
> likes to play with mildly dirty words - it's not like he swore
> or anything.
I vastly prefer words derogatory to God than to women, for several
reasons :-)
Greetings, T.
Michael P Reed
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:33:31 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
> >Do you tell "Pollock" jokes? Or jokes about Blacks (if you yourself are
> >not Polish or Black)?
>
> No but I do tell Swedish jokes and American jokes and even Muslim
> jokes and they all tell Finnish jokes as long as they're told in good
> heart, I find nothing wrong with it.
"Pollock" in U.S. usage is considered an ethnic slur along the lines of nigger,
spic, wop, wog, jap, chink, gook, etc..
--
Regards,
Michael P. Reed
Fish Eye no Miko
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> Katherine,
Catherine.
> PS: And I do think you are exaggerating. Wood wasn't neither
> insulting a woman, nor describing derogatory a group. So, why
> are you so offended? Aren't you being oversensitive?
Yes, I guess I am.
Catherine Johnson.
--
dis "able" to reply
D.G. Porter
>
> In message <mSAl8.15268$J54.9...@news1.west.cox.net>
>
> Jon.
[Doing this from memory...]
"I saw your ad in the bolour supplement."
"The COLOUR supplement."
"Yes, I can't say the letter 'B'."
"The letter 'C'."
"Yes, as a child I was frightened by a bat."
"By a cat."
"No, a bat."
"Can you say the letter 'K'?"
"Oh yes, karkey, kettle, Kipling, King's Bollege of Oxford..."
"Why not substitute the letter 'K' for the letter 'C'?"
"'Kolour.' Oh! I never thought of that! What a silly bunt!"
Jeff George
>
> Perhaps in the US. Twat is a deragotory word over in the UK. As in "You are
> a twat" - Meaning somebody is an idiot.
>
I am an American and I can assure you that "twat" and "cunt" are not
used solely to describe a female's twat/cunt. It's pure idiocy to equate
it with kike, nigger, spic, etc.
--
Jeff George
Jon Hall
Michael P Reed <mpr...@chartermi.net> wrote:
> "Pollock"
Is a fish...
Jon.
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_ _ _
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( J | o | n )http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jghall/
\_/ \_/ \_/ 7, High Street, Balrog Cuttings, TEUNC.
Run eels, run!!!
D.G. Porter
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>
> In jokes and locker
> room humor aren't meat for public broadcast,
Heh-heh, she said "meat," as in lips, as in, heh-heh-he-heh!
D.G. Porter
>
> very different,
What about the book "Fanny Hill"? Or all those women named "Fanny"?
It's like all these American girls named "Misty." "Mist" is German for
shit. "Ah, your daughter is named Shitty!"
<singing>
"I get mistlich..."
D.G. Porter
>
>
> If not then you're just an idiot, since my very female name is at the end
> of all my posts.
>
> Catherine Johnson.
Malvolio sez:
"By my life this is my lady's hand! These be her very C's, her U's, 'N'
her T's! And thus makes she her great P's! It is in contempt of
question her hand!"
As someone pointed out to us in the cast 'n' crew:
"These letters are not in the superscript. They are to make Malvolio
sound bawdy."
D.G. Porter
Ummmm, FWIW, it's not "Pollock." That's a painter. It's "Polak."
Like "Latvik."
And in Poland, it's not an insult, but the proper word. Not even up
there with calling a Netherlander "Dutch."
Jette Goldie
> it's a pretty strong word, even if it doesn't have the same connotations
it
> does in the States.
No, it is not "pretty strong" - it's pretty everyday actually.
--
Jette
(aka Vinyaduriel)
"Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
Arwen Lune
Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:54:30 GMT. This is what it read:
> And note that they're male. I'm interested in hearting what
> the lady fans think.
Bit immature, but offensive? Nope.
Have you never shared an injoke? When you're with a group who is
going through something together, the most silly things become
funny.
I had at one point a whole cult worshipping the Holy Looroll.
Frankly, I don't see what exactly you are making such a fuss about.
Cheers,
Arwen Lune - high priestess of the Cun^Hlt of the Holy Looroll
--
With a running leap, one can take offence at almost anything..
D.G. Porter
Remember that episode of "Get Smart" where Max an 99 are pretending to
be actors (99's character's name is "Fanny"), and Max reads the script,
"And I heard His Lordship say to you, 'You shot me Fanny."?
"NO, NO," the tutor tells him, "Now you sound like a Cockney!"
Arwen Lune
> I'm sorry.. "cunt" is "mildly dirty"? Even amongst the British,
> I think it's a pretty strong word
In some places in Britain it's a quite normal, common every day
word. "shit", "fuck", "bugger" "cunt" ,"bollocks"
Yup, definitely 'mildy dirty', and certainly not worthy of all this
fuss.
Cheers,
Arwen Lune - high priestess of the Cun^Hlt of the Holy Looroll
--
With a running leap, one can take offence at almost /anything/..
D.G. Porter
>
> just an in-joke" context, how would people feel?
Well, what's "nigger" spelled backwards? "Reggin." That's the name of
our 40th President. For 8 years we had a backwards-nigger in The White
House!
(Heard this one from Dick Gregory.)
D.G. Porter
>
> Via mysterious ways, a message from Fish Eye no Miko reached me on
> Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:28:36 GMT. This is what it read:
>
>
> > I'm sorry.. "cunt" is "mildly dirty"? Even amongst the British,
> > I think it's a pretty strong word
>
> In some places in Britain it's a quite normal, common every day
> word. "shit", "fuck", "bugger" "cunt" ,"bollocks"
>
> Yup, definitely 'mildy dirty', and certainly not worthy of all this
> fuss.
Now let's all say, "Big floppy donkey dick"!
LeftyStL
"Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
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> "Eric San Juan" <shoeg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
SNIP
>
> Just so we're clear:
> Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
> Cunt is a derogatory term used against women.
> directing it at anyone), it's the same saying Elijah and his friends
> walking around saying "cunt" (again, not directing it at anyone). And
> since Elijah & co were calling a female cast member "Cuntess" (or some
> such), isn't that the same thing as me calling a Black man King Nigger or
> something?
>
> Catherine Johnson.
> --
> dis "able" to reply
> "Please don't throw chi aboard the bus..."
> -Tetsuya, _Fushigi Yuugi_ OVA omake, part 1.
>
"Cunt" is a vulgar slang word for a vagina. "Dick is also a vulgar
slang word for a penis. I have heard both directed at persons
usually of the corresponding gender.
"Nigger" was a term used to describe Negro slaves. It has also been
carried over to modern blacks, but it is well grounded in it slave
roots.
It's a poor analogy Catherine and I hope you don't cling to it
like you did your silly ascertain (defending the position of a
the self professed troll, Edro) that Sam and Frodo were lovers.
Bill Runge
[People who are easily offended just need to be offended
more often]
Joy
> For the record CAVE TROLL thinks Wood sounds like an immature
> nitwit.
Aye. Oh well. Boys will be boys. Pissing in fountains and all. Hope
his mother doesn't read about it.
Jesper R. Nielsen
"Jon Hall" wrote:
> There's a street in York (UK) called Grape Lane.
> In Medieval times it was 'Grope Cunt Lane'.
That's interesting.
I've read somewhere, completely forgotten where, that there was a
"Gropecuntlane" (spelled like that) in 15th century London.
jern
Russ
<Left...@swbell.net> writes:
>"Cunt" is a vulgar slang word for a vagina.
Isn't it the anglo-saxon word for 'it'?
Russ
G. M. Watson
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In article <a773qn$9av$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>, "danglo" <d...@njkama.oz>
wrote:
>
> Fish Eye no Miko <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in >
>> Just so we're clear:
>> Nigger is a derogatory term used against blacks.
>
> How about when blacks use it?
>
(snip)
For an answer to your question, I suggest the following: Next time you're
walking through a predominantly black neighborhood in your town, walk up to
a group of young black men and in an aggressive tone, say something like the
following: "Hey, you niggers, how come it's cool for niggers to call each
other 'nigger' but white guys like me can't cal you niggers? I mean, what's
the big deal with you niggers, anyway? After all, you *are* niggers, right?"
I'm sure they'll be happy to explain the difference to you, at length and in
considerable detail.
>
>
>
G. M. Watson
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In article <3C97CA...@SENDMENOSPAMpacbell.net>, "D.G. Porter"
<dgpo...@SENDMENOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
The "proper" term is "Pole". Do you actually know any Poles personally? Have
you ever been to Poland? "Polack" (the usual speling) is a derogatory term,
originating in North America. I have a good friend who happens to be
Polish-born and would not dream of calling him or any other Pole a "Polack"
in his hearing or out of it; his reaction to such an insult would be
negative, to say the least, and rightly so. Would you casually toss around
the term "Wop" when you visit Italy, "Sheeny" in Belfast, or "Wog" in
Bombay? If so, you must like to live dangerously.
G. M. Watson
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In article <3C97C7...@SENDMENOSPAMpacbell.net>, "D.G. Porter"
<dgpo...@SENDMENOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
Actually, the German for "shit" is "scheiss", as far as I know. Hence the
running linguistic joke in Joseph Heller's "Catch-22": One of Yossarian's
idiot officers goes by the name of "Lieutenant Scheisskopf" (get it?).
G. M. Watson
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In article <90dd9u8atogm13g1f...@4ax.com>, Ville Salo
<ville...@uta.fi> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:36:05 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
>>Well, if one woman likes it, it must be ok.
>>So if I call one black person a nigger and s/he's ok with it, does that
>>mean it's ok to use it?
>>
>>Catherine Johnson, who, frankly, hopes Wood says this in front of the wrong
>>person and gets smacked for it.
>
> You don't seem to understand humor. It was clearly an inside, running
> joke within the crew. I doubt that Wood would say that to someone who
> wasn't his friend. It was a joke! A stupid little funny joke! You do
> joke with your friends, do you?
>
Oh, I do love a humorist. So, just out of curiosity: I guess if I, a total
stranger, was to walk up to you when you were out somewhere with a group of
friends and, in a loud voice, call you a "shit-for-brains bug-ugly
dicklicking motherfucker who oughta have his balls stomped and his stupid,
slimy little face bashed in with a fucking brick", and then threw my hands
in the air and said "just kidding!!!" you'd all have a good laugh, would
you?
What the hell, Don Rickles and a bunch of equally bad stand-up comics have
been getting away with this exact same shit for years... Exactly how much
does the "joke" cop-out excuse, anyway? How would you react if the same
stranger, instead of speaking produced a gun, pointed it at you, fired it
and *then* said "Just kidding! Look, they're blanks!"? Would you join him in
laughter?
I wonder.
bernard....@dodge_thislido-tech.net
[...]
>> Ummmm, FWIW, it's not "Pollock." That's a painter. It's "Polak."
>> Like "Latvik."
>> And in Poland, it's not an insult, but the proper word. Not even up
>> there with calling a Netherlander "Dutch."
>
> The "proper" term is "Pole". Do you actually know any Poles personally? Have
> you ever been to Poland? "Polack" (the usual speling) is a derogatory term,
"Polack" is the spelling in English. "Polak" is the spelling in
Polish.
> originating in North America. I have a good friend who happens to be
> Polish-born and would not dream of calling him or any other Pole a "Polack"
> in his hearing or out of it;
If he's speaking in English then "Polack" is derogatory. If he's
speaking in Polish then "Polak" is the equivalent to "American". It's
simply a noun meaning "one who is Polish".
> his reaction to such an insult would be
> negative, to say the least, and rightly so.
Again, it depends on which language they're speaking.
> Would you casually toss around the term "Wop" when you visit Italy,
> "Sheeny" in Belfast, or "Wog" in Bombay? If so, you must like to
> live dangerously.
Not equivalent, unless they're speaking English.
Cheers,
Bernard