Elves of Mirkwood.
Peter Lewis
Someone said that the Elves of Mirkwood were Sindarin. I always thought
that they were Avari. If they were Sindarin, how come they went all the
way over to Mirkwood and didn't leave with the rest, go to Lorien or
Rivendell or something. Or maybe I've got completely comfused with the
geography and the Avari are still much further East.
BTW, where is the Culvinen (sorry about the spelling) place where the
elves first woke up?
-Pete.
o.thomson
are a mixed race Sindarin and Avari.
Waldhari
Peter Lewis wrote:
> Hi.
>
>
>
> BTW, where is the Culvinen (sorry about the spelling) place where the
> elves first woke up?
>
> -Pete.
Cuivienen was located on the eastern shore of the Inland sea of Helcar, at
the foot of the Orocarni mountains near the Wild Wood. In Karen Wynn
Fonstad's 'The Atlas of Middle Earth' it can be found in an area designated
Palisor on a First Age map of Arda.
By the Second Age of Arda it _would be_ [the rather large Inland sea of
Helcar is no longer there] roughly located in the East where Rhun is
indicated on her S. A. map.
Waldhari
Conrad Dunkerson
news:3726E2E5...@le.ac.uk...
> Someone said that the Elves of Mirkwood were Sindarin. I always thought
> that they were Avari. If they were Sindarin, how come they went all the
> way over to Mirkwood and didn't leave with the rest, go to Lorien or
> Rivendell or something. Or maybe I've got completely comfused with the
> geography and the Avari are still much further East.
Well, actually many of the 'Teleri' split off during the long march and
never reached the West. These are sometimes lumped with the Avari or
sometimes split out as the Nandor, a separate group of the Moriquendi. The
Mirkwood Elves were likely predominantly descended from the people of Lenwe.
> BTW, where is the Culvinen (sorry about the spelling) place where the
> elves first woke up?
Far to the east... anything more specific than that is a matter of
guesswork, especially as some of the texts contradict each other on the
landmarks.
Michael Martinez
>Cuivienen was located on the eastern shore of the Inland sea of Helcar, at
>the foot of the Orocarni mountains near the Wild Wood. In Karen Wynn
>Fonstad's 'The Atlas of Middle Earth' it can be found in an area designated
>Palisor on a First Age map of Arda.
>By the Second Age of Arda it _would be_ [the rather large Inland sea of
>Helcar is no longer there] roughly located in the East where Rhun is
>indicated on her S. A. map.
Technically, Cuivienen no longer existed in the Second Age.
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Michael Martinez
>Hi.
>
>Someone said that the Elves of Mirkwood were Sindarin. I always thought
>that they were Avari. If they were Sindarin, how come they went all the
>way over to Mirkwood and didn't leave with the rest, go to Lorien or
>Rivendell or something. Or maybe I've got completely comfused with the
>geography and the Avari are still much further East.
The original "Elves of Mirkwood" were Teleri who turned aside from the
Great Journey and were called Nandor. Eventually, as the Avari spread
westward, some of them (apparently calling themselves "Penni", a variant of
"Quendi") settled in Greenwood the Great and along the shores of Anduin,
mingling with the Nandor who had stayed there. These became in time the
Silvan Elves whom some Sindarin adventurers found and organized into
kingdoms early in the Second Age.
Later on, some of the Noldor of Eregion settled in Lorien but not in
Greenwood. Presumably, these Noldor were eventually absorbed into the
Silvan population of Lorien.
Michael Martinez
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Michael Martinez
wrote:
>Cuivienen was located on the eastern shore of the Inland sea of Helcar, at
>the foot of the Orocarni mountains near the Wild Wood. In Karen Wynn
>Fonstad's 'The Atlas of Middle Earth' it can be found in an area designated
>Palisor on a First Age map of Arda.
>By the Second Age of Arda it _would be_ [the rather large Inland sea of
>Helcar is no longer there] roughly located in the East where Rhun is
>indicated on her S. A. map.
Technically, Cuivienen no longer existed in the Second Age.
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