Tolkien languages...
Taylor Francis
LOTR? How about a basic grammar?
the softrat
wrote:
>Is there a lexicon/dictionary for the languages Tolkien created for
>LOTR? How about a basic grammar?
What lexicon I know of is scattered throughout Tolkien's writings.
There are a number of them, none complete or final, in HoME. If you
find out about a grammar, please let me know. Again there are snippets
of Elvish Grammar scattered throughout Tolkien's works. I didn't even
see a convincing grammar of Elvish on the web site about Tolkien
Languages, Ardalambion, when last I looked.
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>
> Is there a lexicon/dictionary for the languages Tolkien created for
> LOTR? How about a basic grammar?
You mean how about TEN basic Grammars? Tolkkien created as you say "languages"
not one language.
If you're looking for a book, there is none in English (I wrote one in French
about Quenya 5 years ago). There was one but very bad in English (by Ruth
Noel) and another very outdated (Jim Allan). If you're looking for something
on the Internet try
http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/
And it is quite convincing (even if not perfect) despite what "some" might say.
EJK
Maglin
it's called....
The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth
by Ruth S. Noel (Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston)
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Steuard Jensen
> Ummm, I just bought a book on all 14 languages Tolkien created for LOTR,
> it's called....
>
> The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth
> by Ruth S. Noel (Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston)
Alas... Noel's book remains quite popular and in print, but it is not
very highly respected among "true" Tolkien linguists. A substantial
discussion and critique of the book can be found at
http://www.elvish.org/articles/LRH.html
The review begins with the comment that "Ruth Noel's The Languages of
Tolkien's Middle Earth is outdated. Most of the text from which we
derive Quenya grammar has been published since 1980." As the author
points out, this isn't her fault, but the review goes on to say,
"However, RN's book contains many avoidable sins of omission and of
commission." I haven't read the book, so I can't confirm these
statements independently, but the critique seems quite well written.
Also, the Elvish Linguistic Fellowship website hosts this commentary,
and I have a great deal of respect for their scholarship. Speaking of
which, they have a very substantial list of resources for Tolkienian
linguistics (including two books which they _do_ recommend), which can
be found at
http://www.elvish.org/resources.html
I hope this is helpful!
Steuard Jensen
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sbje...@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) wrote:
> Quoth "Maglin" <ande...@creativeproductions.net>:
> > Ummm, I just bought a book on all 14 languages Tolkien created for
LOTR,
> > it's called....
> >
> > The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth
> > by Ruth S. Noel (Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston)
>
> Alas... Noel's book remains quite popular and in print, but it is not
> very highly respected among "true" Tolkien linguists. A substantial
> discussion and critique of the book can be found at
>
> http://www.elvish.org/articles/LRH.html
>
> statements independently, but the critique seems quite well written.
> Also, the Elvish Linguistic Fellowship website hosts this commentary,
> and I have a great deal of respect for their scholarship. Speaking of
> which, they have a very substantial list of resources for Tolkienian
> linguistics (including two books which they _do_ recommend), which can
> be found at
>
> http://www.elvish.org/resources.html
>
> I hope this is helpful!
> Steuard Jensen
>
I've read the book; it has some interesting stuff in it and some rather
appalling errors (she doesn't seem to know what the Imperative is
[!]). I wd rely rather on the Ardalambion site, which, however
convincing or not it may be (some of the stuff on mutations and on the
past tense in Sindarin is, by the author's own admission, speculative,
but there's generally a basis for it), at least makes use of the HOME
series (which wasn't at Ms. Noel's disposal for obvious reasons), and
uses terms like "Imperative" correctly.
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