the Red Book of Westmarch
hr.house.gov
Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
Lord of the Rings story from this supposed book.
Toruwa
Frodo, Sam, and Sam's children. Tolkien structured all or most of his
writings as if he were "translating" old myths. The best example of this
is the The Silmarillion. Although the published work doesn't say so, the
legends are supposed to be translations from a work written by Aelfwine,
an Anglo-Saxon mariner who washed up on Tol Eressea and was taught by the
elves. Aelfwine, in turn, translated the work of Pengolod of Gondor, who
added to the work of Rumil. It's fiction, within fiction, within fiction
within . . . you get the idea. (BTW, tried to personally cc you on this,
but my computer wouldn't accept the address in your post.)
Toruwa
"Am I not Turin, son of Hurin, Lord of Dor-Lomin? Shall I not command
you?"
Michael Martinez
>Somebody please tell me if such a book, titled
>Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
>heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
>Lord of the Rings story from this supposed book.
>
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing this is an honest question.
--
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W. O'Connor
>
> Somebody please tell me if such a book, titled
> Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
> heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
>
> Somebody please tell me if such a book, titled
> Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
> heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
> Lord of the Rings story from this supposed book.
Hello Government Guy:
I think you're chasing your own tail (or tale). The Red Book of Westmarch
was written by Bilbo, Frodo, Sam and others, and thereafter kept in
Westmarch in The Shire. Professor Tolkien used a copy of it for material
when writing his account of the War of the Ring, so the story goes.
Happy reading!
-- W. O'Connor
CANADA
Matthew L Weber
: Somebody please tell me if such a book, titled
: Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
: heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
: Lord of the Rings story from this supposed book.
Yep, it's right up there on the shelf next to the Kitab al-Azif, the
prompter's copy of The King in Yellow, and De vermis mysteriis.
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) As someone has probably already pointed out
by now, it's a fictional work in the context of Tolkien's Middle-Earth.
--
Matthew L. Weber
Library Assistant
University of Michigan Music Library
A mad world, my masters.
Nicholas Breton, title of a dialogue, 1603
Jerome S. Colburn
: @hr.house.gov wrote:
: : Somebody please tell me if such a book, titled
: : Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
: : heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
: : Lord of the Rings story from this supposed book.
: Yep, it's right up there on the shelf next to the Kitab al-Azif, the
: prompter's copy of The King in Yellow, and De vermis mysteriis.
Now that reminds me...
In the early 80s there was a book printed that actually pretended to be a
facsimile of Kitab al-Azif "written in the original Duriac" (a language
that was said to be the last descendant of Akkadian), with an introduction
by L. Sprague de Camp. (He thoughtfully included a warning to any scholars
studying it, not to subvocalize the spells as they read them!) I saw it
in 1983 or 1984 in the University of Illinois main library stacks, but by
1985 it had disappeared without a trace.
I was impressed that anyone would go to the trouble of making up a Duriac
script and then compose page after page in it.
--
Jerome S. and Jeannette E. H. Colburn
jsco...@prairienet.org
alana eshpeter
>
>Somebody please tell me if such a book, titled
>Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
>heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
>Lord of the Rings story from this supposed book.
>
was the book in which Bilbo wrote of his adventures, and was later
continued by Frodo and then Sam, and after Sam it was intrusted to his
daughter Rose of Westmarch. So, in a sense, Tolkien did borrow from it,
but only if you like to believe that ME was a real place. I wish.
hope this helps, unless i am completely out to lunch on the whole thing.
alana
Patrice MACHIN
: Somebody please tell me if such a book, titled
: Red Book of Westmarch, actually exists. I have
: heard it claimed that Tolkien "borrowed" the
: Lord of the Rings story from this supposed book.
Of course the Red Book exists ! Pr Tolkien himself told us in the
introduction of the 'Lord of the Ring' that such materials like 'The Hobbit'
or 'LOTR' are borrowed from this famous book.
We can then consider that these two books (at least) compose by themselves
the Red Book of Westmarch.
Pallando.
SketchAier
of it was made by a scribe in Gondor (Findegil, I think his name was) per
request of Eldarion (Aragorn's son). It was presented to the Hobbits. It
is this one which survived and was *translated* by Tolkien into English
from its original Westron tounge. He had run across it, supposedly, in
the vaults of Oxford College.
(source: The Tolkien Companion)